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E4: Competition Shooting w/ Kirt Finnell · The Junto Podcast

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Music.
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Welcome to the Junto Podcast, where we promote the practical applications of
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critical thinking and bold creativity.
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I'm your host, Edgar Mills.
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Music.
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Today, I have with me a good friend and colleague, Kurt Fennell.
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Me and Kurt know each other from, well, for several years now, from Fort Bragg.
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And it turns out we both live in Rome, Georgia.
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So, Kurt is a sponsored and competitive-sponsored shooter with a couple of big
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names, and I'll let him tell you about those.
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Basically, I shoot for the tactical games, primarily. I compete in a lot of
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other different disciplines.
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I'm trying to get into more, like, quantified performance. And recently,
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this past weekend, I shot at just a precision rifle match at a river bend gun club, gas gun.
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So, or bolt gun, choose your flavor. I shot in the tactical division where you can only shoot 308, 223.
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Ended up taking the, my division win there. So that was nice to get the year started.
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So I had a rough, rough day the day before that. We won't go into that though.
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But yeah, so, you know, competitive shooting is my life right now.
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And I'm fortunate enough to have gotten some people to support me this year.
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So Born Primitive Tactical, incredible clothing company. They make some really awesome stuff.
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I'm really excited about that relationship run by a bunch of great people.
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And they've got a great team of shooters and other like-minded individuals already
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there that I'm coming into the fold with.
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So I'm excited about that. And JP Rifles as well. So I'm actually getting to
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shoot up to JP next week and build my rifle and get ready to compete with it for this year.
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So, you know, and hopefully there's some, a few others in the mix.
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I, you know, I currently shoot for a Logo Arms as well with the Alien.
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And I might shoot their Oracle as well in a regional match this year.
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That's to be determined, but it's a lot of good things going on.
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Yep. So out here at Osprey Shooting Solutions, we are very excited.
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I'm fortunate to have Kurt, who's out there in the true competitive world.
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Kurt and I are looking at building a range hopefully in North Georgia,
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Northwest Georgia, hopefully pretty soon.
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That fingers crossed and knock on wood and all that, that it's going to be competitive
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with some national-level ranges so that we might host some national-level matches
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to include tactical games or USPSA or PCS League and stuff like that.
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But certainly what we do now and what we will continue to do is have our own
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local matches and, of course, execute all our pistol and rifle courses and stuff like that.
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So I'm very excited for Kurt. It's awesome that he's sponsored with,
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especially I'm excited about JP. I think that's an awesome sponsorship.
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I'm not so sure about the lugo alien yet
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the lago the lago alien yeah it's a
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cool i think that's an innovative gun as far as actual
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innovation goes oh it's wild as far yeah i
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mean you know it that platform the pistol platform it's either 1911 style or
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striker fire right you know that platform has never really evolved and this
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is the first time any company has been able to put something out there that
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truly changes the game when it comes to how a pistol functions and functions,
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efficiently and effectively, as long as you don't mess with it too much.
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So, you know, it's, it's a really fun gun to shoot. And I mean,
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I've really enjoyed it so far, but you know, I'm having some,
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some technical difficulties of my own with it just because I like to tinker
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with things, but you know, that's just how things work.
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Another dude we did, you probably know Deshaun Jenkins? Yeah.
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Yeah, he shoots Logo aliens. He shoots Logo aliens. Yep.
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That guy's a phenomenal shooter. Yeah, yeah. I talked to him out at SHOT Show
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this past, back in January.
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Yeah, he's around here somewhere. I think his normal guy clubs south.
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He's closer to Atlanta. I think he shoots at South River mostly. Yeah.
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So what about the Logo is innovative?
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The obvious thing is the Borax is innovative. And the whole slide doesn't reciprocate.
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Yeah. So the mechanism on how it works, it's a piston driven system.
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So, you know, it, they were able to design it so that the piston sits above the barrel.
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Right. Right. And, and the only piece of the slide that reciprocates are the
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two sides of the slide. So your optic.
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Stay still it doesn't reciprocate so you're reducing
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that reciprocating mass right so you're
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already having to deal with recoil so now you're having to deal with less mass
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moving and that bore axis like
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you said is lower in the hand so therefore you can get a greater mechanical
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advantage on that reciprocating recoil so
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it makes the gun shoot really fat flat and
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you can shoot it very fast because that dot's not
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moving nearly as much now they have versions
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of it that you know for uspsa that
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you have to run because they have to have a frame
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mounted yeah frame mounted optics
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so they have versions of that that you know you can run so mine's not because
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i don't have to have that because i'm not competing in uspsa so yeah but it's
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it's a sweet gun man i don't know how much i see that wago has a concealed oh
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yeah all it concealed but it's a It is.
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I actually got to play with it out of shot. It's called the Remus. It's pretty sweet.
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There's some little mechanisms that they introduced in that platform.
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Number one, it is very small and you can absolutely conceal carry this thing
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if you want to. And it runs off the same piston driven system.
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So as far as being able to control, because typically when you go down into
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smaller platforms like that, you're going, the recoil creeps up on you and it's harder to control.
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Well, with their system in place, you're, you're, you're greatly reducing the
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amount of recoil that you're having in a much smaller compact system.
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So, and on top of that, there's a really neat way that I can't even,
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I would butcher it if I try to describe it, but there's basically this little
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tab on front of the optic and you can depress it and then break the entire slide
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back with everything in tow instead of just the two sides.
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So it's pretty neat how they do it. And like I said, don't take my word for
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that. I saw them do it, and then I did it, and I was like, that's pretty cool.
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But there's some pretty neat stuff going on. Now, I wonder if they built that
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gun for actual concealed carry people or for IDPA. So a lot of people are saying that.
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I'm on the Logo forums, and people are fired up about it because they're like,
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I can conceal carry this and then walk in and go compete with it and dominate
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just because of how it functions.
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That's what I was thinking was they were just looking at the smoke IDPA.
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Well, that's the world they dominated this.
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Yeah, USPSA and IDPA is where they, you know, absolutely dominate.
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Because I'm pretty sure when that gun first came out, it wasn't legal in any.
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Well, so it was initially, then USPSA was like, wait a second.
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Yeah. You know, and then they kind of, I don't know the whole dynamic behind
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it, but that's why Lago then came out with the limited optics version.
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Basically, to where it's a truly frame mounted optic.
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So it actually reciprocates with the slide. Yeah. No, it's cool,
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for sure. It's a cool guy.
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I'm just still here shooting the old Glock 19, you know. Well,
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you know, some of the Glock's got to represent.
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That's awesome. What about, are you finding any, is that gun you're shooting today, JP?
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No. What's that? That was a build, that's a gun that I won at the USASOC Sniper
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Comp last year. And it's just been sitting on my shelf.
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And, you know, I've got my JP build that I'm going to be building next week with JP.
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And so I just kind of put together, it's a Lancer build. and it's a hammer i
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mean i was i went to a quantified performance match what.
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Is something in the middle of january and was reaching
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out to 750 meters with it nice so
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it's it's a great gun i mean i was i went
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out with a buddy of mine yesterday and we had
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a target at 500 meters and i put two bullets
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on top of each other yeah you know so they can shoot
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yeah that's awesome yeah that's good
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so competition shooting that's that's the
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hot topic of the day and it doesn't
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need to be said especially on the june toe podcast necessarily
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but since we're talking about it competition shooting
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for civilians is the
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way to get better at shooting that's all there's to it no other
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place do you have the kind of time stress and
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competition that you that you get with
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competition shoot and it doesn't really matter what organization yes
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idpa is a a little bit
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of a slow mover compared to uspsa oh sure and there's some that's where the
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old guys go that's where i go right but you're still racing against other people
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you're trying yourself against other humans just because some old guys out there
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don't want to try new things that that's on them And I believe it was only a couple of years ago,
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IDPA allowed appendix carry inside the waistband.
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No, competition breeds excellence. So you go out and test yourself against others
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and you find your weaknesses. Yeah.
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Because something about that buzzer going off. You will find it immediately.
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It changes things for people. I mean, I've tested it.
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Like I will get people to do things under a buzzer. Then I'll take the buzzer
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away and they immediately improve because it's something about that stress of
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that buzzer going off. It's psychological.
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It gets in your head. So being able to put yourself into those situations and
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test it will really show you where your baseline is because coming out to the
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range is necessary and you need to do it. That's how you get better.
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But you need to go put it to practice.
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You really need to go test it to see how you actually react under pressure.
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You have to test yourself. And unfortunately, you know, not everybody out there
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is a special operator or a special forces guy or a SWAT guy. And even then...
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Not all Green Berets are good shooters. Oh, no. Yeah.
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Even active duty, like your average guy, man, he's. You'd be shocked.
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C class or B class. I think that's being generous.
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Yeah. Probably C class. I wouldn't say D.
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I've done some guys. Don't get me wrong. I know some guys. I mean,
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yeah, probably C class anyway.
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And that's, civilians don't understand the numbers that go along with that.
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But being a B or A class shooter in USPSA, you're moving, man.
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Yeah. So never mind Grandmaster, right? Oh, yeah. Never mind that.
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That's race guns. The time standards that exist are phenomenal.
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And some civilians, it blows their minds when they first come out here.
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And you say, yeah, well, a sub-second draw is kind of the standard.
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They can't even imagine it. And you show it and you do it a couple times.
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It don't take long for them.
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To understand and then to be able to pick it up. But just something as simple as a draw.
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It's faster than normal humans. Yeah. Even gun enthusiasts. Yeah.
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So if you call yourself a gun enthusiast, but you don't go and do a competition
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once in a while, yeah, that's all you are is an enthusiast.
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Right. You're not a shooter. Yeah. You got to put it to the test.
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Absolutely. You got to measure yourself against others.
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So even us, right, we do local matches. We do our own local things.
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The next one coming up in March is Liberty or Death.
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We celebrate the Patrick Henry speech delivered to the 2nd Virginia Congress.
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And it's going to be a two-gun. But our matches are simple.
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They're four stages long, maybe a half a day on the range.
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We'll run, and we'll have anywhere from, I don't know, maybe 10, 15 shooters.
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Everybody will run the stage. Then we change stages. Everybody runs the stage.
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But now, thank God, my son has come from Colorado and lives in Georgia full-time now.
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So now all our matches are on practice score.
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Yeah, that's nice. So you can go back and- Look at your results.
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And see results. Yeah. So that's a big deal.
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I know it's, I don't want to seem uneducated to the masses here,
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but practice score was not user-friendly for me to figure out.
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Well, you know, you're in that age bracket where, you know, technology is a tricky thing.
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Technology is starting to get the best of me. Yeah, but practice score.
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Yeah, that's a very important, that's the universal standard.
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To look for matches to keep your scores, almost every match out there,
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even local matches, run on Practice Score. Yeah.
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You don't necessarily pay through Practice Score, and you don't always have
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to sign up through Practice Score.
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No. You sign up on my website for
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our matches, but your scores will be on Practice Score under OSS stuff.
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Yeah. So that's a good way to track yourself, track your metrics.
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Look back on your last year's scores versus this year's scores.
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Because there's a lot of drills out there, especially when you do classifiers.
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They're standard. There's a standard, yeah. There's an absolute standard on
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distances, times, and all those things.
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So you can see how far you've progressed or not.
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That's a good thing that the Tactical Games is doing this year.
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They've introduced set standardized shooting courses of fire.
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Yeah. And there's, I can't, I think there's six or seven, maybe eight of them,
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but, and they, yesterday they sent them out.
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There may be some edits here and there to them, but they're going to be set
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in stone and all the targets, the distances, the course of fire will be the
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same from Georgia to California.
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And you, they put them out there so that you can test them and run them.
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So I'll test the bejesus out of them so that when I show up,
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I can execute hopefully well, but it's a measurable metric.
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You can measure yourself against everyone in the country who's doing it,
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just kind of see where you stand and you can get better or you can get worse.
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You know, it's kind of up to you.
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And most organizations have that. They have a, there's a set group of drills
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or stages that are standard.
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Yeah. Like quantify performance has one, you know, and it's,
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it's like standing prone, you know, standing unsupported two shots at a hundred.
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And then you go to a ladder and then you got to engage a set of targets on the
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ladder. Then you go to prone and you engage one target at the end.
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And it's the exact same way every time. The distances are the same.
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The setup is the same. That's good.
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And folks, from a training perspective, what does that mean?
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It means there's consistency. You have a metric, and the metric's not changing on you.
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So you did good this one time, then you didn't do so good the next time.
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So consistency is very important in your training program.
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When it comes to shooting anyway, I imagine that applies to sports of all types.
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Consistency is critical.
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So like the build drill, for instance, that's an old-fashioned standard. Everybody knows it.
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Seven yards, six rounds, as fast as you can shoot. What's your bill drill time?
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Right. Everybody knows that.
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I think USPSA has the steel challenge. And they have a set.
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There's only so many ways you can set up five pieces of steel.
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But they have them all, and they're measured out, and they're all standard.
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Every time, the smoke and hope drill or stage is the same in California as it
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is in Omaha, Nebraska, as it is in Atlanta, Georgia.
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So that's good now I'm going to tell you when you come out to shoot matches here at OSS,
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you're going to get some crazy stuff they're not
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standard stuff now sometimes we do run we'll run
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the build drill or we'll run some standard drill what
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I call skill drills but then I'll set up some stages
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where there's lots of movement and stuff like that just for
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fun you know people like to move and shoot we got
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a 20 acre property here that we run on our
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oss challenges for the mug mile and coming
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up in april by the way we got the oss to green beret challenge
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that's going to be a team event but we run up into the woods and shoot of course
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there's a fire out there in the woods while carrying stuff and all kind of stuff
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so yeah those aren't standard by any means but they they certainly are fun competition
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shooting i encourage you to do it.
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Uh what else is going on what else is going on with you kurt that's
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it man i mean this whole year is dedicated to you know i want to be the best
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one of the i want to be the best in the sport you know the tactical games and
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i sprinkle in all the other stuff to try to cast a wider net when it comes to
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improving my skill sets because to enhance the in-between yeah right so quantify
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performance is long range gas gun.
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You know, I'll go do PCSL because it's, you know, typically fast paced shooting,
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you know, movements and, you know, going back and forth.
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So, uh, between, you know, your rifle and your pistol.
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So, and I'll throw in USPSA stuff as well, you know, cause that's good pistol
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and it works, you know, eyes, right.
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Moving, you know, the transition stuff that doesn't, just because you're doing
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what just a pistol doesn't mean it still doesn't help you with your rifle.
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So learn how to transition between targets and weapons manipulations and all that kind of stuff.
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When you're competing at the elite level.
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Every single movement matters because you're trying to shave off tenths of a
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second here, tenths of a second, right?
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You know, you shave off a tenth, a tenth, a tenth, a tenth. Well,
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you start creeping up on a second.
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That's a massive amount of time in a stage that only lasts 20 seconds, right?
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So that's what I'm trying to do is my calendar this year is Banana Lands with just competitions.
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I've got one this coming weekend.
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I'm going to go shoot The Proving Grounds with a good friend of mine that works
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out at the same gym. He comes out here as well.
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You know, so that's a very similar to the tactical games. They are,
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their claim is to be more shooting based than fitness base, which is great because it's not as painful.
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So that's always nice. And then, you know, the next weekend I've got a PRS match
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and I'm going to go shoot over in Alabama.
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And then the weekend after that, like, so it's constant, constant stuff.
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And then I've got, you know, military competitions that I'm going to be doing.
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I've got USASOC coming up, might do ISC after that.
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You know, I've got another long range down at Altus, you know,
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So it's all over the place. Nice. Yeah.
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That's busy, man. Oh, I'm going to be very busy this year. You're busy doing fun stuff.
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Well, you know, in order to, you know, you want to be the best in the sport,
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you got to be obsessed. You got to be out there.
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100%. Yeah. You got to be obsessed with it and you got to be unhealthily,
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you know, like there is no balance.
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Right. You know, I try to explain that to my wife because she doesn't really
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understand those things of why I can't do more here, this or that.
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I'm like, literally every waking moment I have is dedicated to trying to be
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the best in this sport because, you know, the greats, there is no balance.
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No, there's nothing else. It doesn't. You're just out there running the gun
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and that's it. Yep. Weekend on weekend on weekend.
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That's good yeah i don't
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know if i have i definitely don't have the time certainly the energy
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yeah that schedule just running like that every weekend is crazy yes but yeah
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man the pros are doing it yeah so that's what i mean i know some guys it'll
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shoot 30 plus matches over the course of a year yeah you know so i was shooting
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tactical games matches and i would do two or three Yeah.
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And then the national championship. Well, now I'm trying to literally do two,
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three, four a month. Yeah.
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You know, that's drastic. That's moving. That's moving around.
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That's a lot different. So, you know, sometimes two in one weekend. Yeah.
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You know, so it's, or if I can find one during the week, I'll go shoot it. I don't care.
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And then when I'm not shooting a competition or a match, I'm behind my house
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or here or, you know, trying to just constantly push the edge on how to get better.
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Well, hopefully we can bring that to Northwest Georgia. It's having a place
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where the big matches are. Oh, we're going to have it.
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We're going to have it. We want the big matches to be happening here as well
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as, you know, everywhere. Down in Florida or South Carolina.
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That's Proving Grounds. Yeah, this one is in the sawmill, but they're kind of
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all over the southeast as well.
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So I'm sure that's something that we could bring here as well.
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You know, obviously the title game is my affiliation with them.
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I've already had those discussions about doing skirmishes here,
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and I'm sure we could manage a regional size event as well.
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You know, quantify performance, you know, if we get that range that we're looking at getting out there.
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So we could definitely bring that in because that will fit in that box.
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And you got PCSL, USPSA, IDPA.
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So many, man. Yeah, all of them. All the things. And limiting factor for us
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to get those kind of organizations.
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Like, I know PCS League, they're making it user-friendly. They don't,
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there's no affiliation requirements, unlike,
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Maybe USPSA is a little bitchy about, a little costly. Right.
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But they've had some money management issues. Yeah.
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There's all kinds of things. We're trying to stay clear of any controversy around
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here and just have fun. That's right.
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But for those of you who think about, so we're talking about how busy and how
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hard you got to push to be the best, right?
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But don't think if you show up to a match that there's not just a whole field
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of regular guys out there having fun. Oh, yeah. That's the majority.
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That's the majority. That's the majority. Yeah. The top 10% of dudes are high-speed
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pros. I'd say even less than that.
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Yeah. You know, yeah, you're probably right. I'd say less than that for sure. Probably top 5%. Yeah.
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They take it seriously. Are the guys who are doing it for a living.
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Everybody else is regular Joe. Yeah. And they got, you know.
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Like, I've got companies now that are, you know, investing in me. Yeah.
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To go out and execute and be the best in the sport. Yeah, so it's literally
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becoming a job. It's a job now. No. That's what I wanted.
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How happens to be a job you love? And I know. That's the whole point.
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It's like I get excited showing.
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Yeah. I wake up in the morning and I call it earning my breakfast. I go dry fire. Yep.
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You know, and it's doing those little things. Everything I do is tailored to trying to be the best.
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So, yes, that's Kurt's job. He's arranged his life so that he can do what he
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loves for a living. And that's good.
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But the vast majority of shooters out there are regular guys.
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I don't know. Like, you know, at the last weekend's match, everyone out there
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is just having a good time. Just having a good time. You know?
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Yep. And it's an excellent, no matter what organization you go out to shoot with.
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If you bring your 12-year-old kid, he's going to have a blast.
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It's a good family sport. Now, there's some shit talkers out there and whatnot.
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But generally speaking, it's just a good time.
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Most people are out there literally to help anybody else get better. Oh, yeah.
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That's the big thing about the tactical games is that community, man.
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You can show up, and I have an absolute clue what's going on.
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But if you're willing to learn and can obviously put in the physical work and
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have some basic weapons proficiencies, people will give you anything you need.
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Like if you gun breaks, I've watched one of the, you know, guys that,
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you know, James Gill, he's an awesome dude, works with the tactical games.
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He runs all their basically shooting stuff, makes the stages really evil.
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You know, I watched him literally offer his guns to a guy because he showed
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up and didn't have a proper device, you know, muzzle device,
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because our muzzle device is limited because you're shooting next to other people.
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And here, yeah, I'll use mine for the whole weekend. That's awesome.
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Like, well, that's incredible. And that's, I've seen that happen multiple times
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across all different types of people for magazines or plate carriers, things break, right?
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Whatever pistols, it doesn't matter. So, and then they're all having a good
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time. Like, you know, if you're struggling, we're going to help you.
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And that folks is the gun industry or the training industry in a nutshell.
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Everybody wants to see everyone else succeed.
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So everybody's out to have a good time. You don't see a lot of,
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there's a little bit of ego when you get to the competitive levels,
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right? That you're dealing with.
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But generally speaking at regular guy level, nah, man, you don't see that stuff.
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I mean, you do have your, some people like, you know, at the,
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even the last match I was at, the guys get chirpy because, Hey,
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you know, make sure you're calling my hits or something like that. I'm like, okay.
25:01
Right. You know, if you're hitting it, you can see it or you should be calling
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your own hits. There's always somebody that's possible right there.
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Yeah. Yeah, you know, all these little things, you know, but,
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you know, those guys, they're kind of that, you know, we'll call them almost
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like a keyboard warrior type dude, you know, like they show up and they think
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they should be doing really well, but they're not because they actually don't put in the time.
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And then they come out with this, you know, air about them that,
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and it just gets punctured real quick.
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So, but that's okay. Yeah. That's all right. It's good for them.
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It is good for them. Yeah.
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Nothing like a little piece of humble pie to keep you. Oh, I've been there.
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Keep you. I needed it, you know. Keep you on the ground.
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Yeah, that's good. Competition. So, yeah, good people. We're on track.
25:45
We're on track, and we're going to hopefully be the ones bringing you that in
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northwest Georgia soon.
25:51
Get out and shoot for sure. Come out here and shoot or go down to South River
25:56
down in Covington or up to River Bend.
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Where is that? Dawsonville. Dawsonville. Dawsonville. It's about an hour and a half from here.
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Yeah, it's a little dry from here. And, hey, I fully realize Rome is a little
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dry for most places too, but there's not a lot else going on beyond that.
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You got Tallapoosa has a range down there where I know they do IDPA and I think USPSA every weekend.
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And Waco, Georgia, Tallapoosa or Waco is down there pretty close to I-20 extreme west.
26:27
And then beyond that, I don't know, like Talladega, the, the civilian,
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military, CMP range out there, they do action shooting. Yep.
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But I don't know of too many other places, other than the indoor ranges around
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town. Yeah. They do their little.
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I'm not a big fun fan. Nah. I mean, if that's what you got, that's what you
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got. I mean, at the end of the day, that works. But like, I mean,
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there's a PCSL match going on.
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I think they do it twice a month at the vault over in Atlanta.
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Yeah. I'm like, I don't understand how I'm going to run a PCSL match with a
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carbine pistol in a bay. So confined.
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That's 20 yards, maybe 20 yards wide. Yep.
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So confined. So loud. So loud. Yep.
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But still, if that's all you got, that's all you got. That's all you got,
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yeah. A lot of people that come out here on a regular basis,
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they shoot, uh, during the week, they'll shoot at, uh, Stoddard's or,
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or Georgia Fireline. Yep.
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Or the vault and places like that. And any, anybody's happy to have you out.
27:29
Uh, let's see. What else is in news? What else is in news?
27:34
We've got, we've got an unusual event coming up. It's called the special mission skirmish.
27:40
And that is going to be, I just went and did a site survey today for that.
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I'm still unsure. It was going to be at the Northwest campus over here in Northwest Rome.
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Well, we, we've lost access to that
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property. They're, they're starting to demolish it for a rebuild. Yeah.
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So there's a, there's a school that I'm looking at and then there's just a residential
28:02
house, but it's out in the woods, which might make for good rural movement.
28:06
Anyway, it's force on force, UTM, and both teams are, are opposition teams.
28:13
And your mission is to go and capture an HVT on the objective.
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It's going to be a good time. It's going to be fun. I'm eager to see all the
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tactical YouTube tactics that come out of the woodworks because I'm not,
28:26
we're not doing any, we're not doing any training.
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We need the cameras in the house. We're going to have cameras everywhere.
28:32
What you're going to get as a participant is you're going to show up and you're
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going to be a part of a four-man team.
28:38
And then you guys will have two hours to plan your mission.
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I'll look at it. You can ask advice. You can do whatever you want.
28:47
But if everything looks relatively safe and you're not getting on anyone's private
28:51
property, I'll let you run your mish.
28:54
We'll see what happens once everybody gets in the house at the same time.
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I can't wait to see that. Jeez.
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Lots of cameras. Anyway, it's meant to be fun. It's meant to be a blast.
29:06
But we have OCs with each team, observer controllers, so that it doesn't turn
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into an unhinged paintball match.
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That's what is going to happen. It's definitely not going to happen.
29:17
It's not going to become an unhinged paintball match. If I'm there,
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it's going to be an unhinged paintball match.
29:23
And then after the fact, we're going to do AAR and then have some catered chow.
29:27
Can't decide if it's going to be some Moe's Barbecue, most likely Moe's Barbecue.
29:32
So it's going to be a really good time. It's a teaser for the special operations
29:37
experience that we do over at the Southern North Logical League,
29:41
which is a much more in-depth course.
29:44
But check that out. Please check all our stuff out. All the shooting stuff is
29:48
at OSS, OspreyshootingSolutions.com.
29:51
All of the sort of outdoor adventure type stuff that doesn't involve shooting
29:56
is over at TwoTeamGuys.com.
29:59
That's Land Navigation Search and Rescue Mountaineer that we do in conjunction
30:03
with Higher Ground and Nathan Hicks.
30:06
And we're planning for a spring search and rescue Mountaineer, by the way.
30:12
We do a long range evasion course which is urban
30:17
and rural movement from atlanta out
30:19
to rome and it's really really cool so there's a lot
30:22
of cool stuff going over there and then if you're listening to this then you
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30:34
know what you like or don't like send us topics you'd like to hear about if
30:39
you if you've noticed by the blogs that I post.
30:43
I have a lot of opinions I'm happy to share about various things.
30:47
Very true. But I'm very happy to hit on some subjects that people are interested in as well.
30:54
I don't know. Do you have a social media where people can follow?
30:59
Yeah. K-Factor 85. K-Factor 85. That's Kurt.
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And Kurt is sponsored now by JP and by Born Primitive.
31:08
Born Primitive. And that's good stuff. So get out there and look at those guys as well.
31:12
Those are both big names in the, in the tactical industry.
31:16
Well, born primitive in the tactical where JP and the competition shooting industry
31:21
specifically. That's right. Yep.
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So JP rifles are hot rod. They're hot rod for sure. They're nice.
31:27
Yeah. They're very nice.
31:29
So get out there and do that guys and come out here and shoot.
31:32
We got stuff on the calendar all the time.
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All right, folks. I'm Edgar Mills. I'm Kurt Fennell and that's Kurt Fennell
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and we are happy to chat with you thank you for listening.
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