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NFL Week 16 Reaction: Drake Maye Or Matthew Stafford For MVP? Are The Bears A Super Bowl Contender? · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 2: Sorry? I was trying to find my my headphones. What's up?
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  Speaker 2: How are you guys?
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  Speaker 3: We're doing great? Man. My Our first question as as
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  Speaker 3: what's your favorite color?
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  Speaker 2: Blue?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm walking into something.
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  Speaker 3: You're not walking into anything.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing. We just know that we know that your favorite
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  Speaker 1: color is blue.
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  Speaker 2: Now all right, well, I'm glad we settled that. Can
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  Speaker 2: you did your guys? My entire time line during NFL
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  Speaker 2: football games is people talking shit about momentum. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: and I literally smile like I'm now like searching the
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  Speaker 2: word momentum to see how many of them are related
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  Speaker 2: to like our conversations on here. It makes me so
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  Speaker 2: happy to be chirped by the internet and be like,
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  Speaker 2: can't wait till Olsen's on with Buston and we could
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  Speaker 2: talk about all the momentum that Seattle had or like
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  Speaker 2: the rams it was. It is magical moments on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: It is. Did you watch any of the college football?
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  Speaker 1: I know your NFL guy, did you watch Oklahoma Alabama?
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  Speaker 2: I watched Oklahoma Alabama?
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  Speaker 3: Lot shifting?
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  Speaker 1: Was that one toss out to their sideline all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden momentum shifted.
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  Speaker 2: It's just you know, there was so many, so much
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  Speaker 2: momentum playing out, so much momentum. I guess the part
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  Speaker 2: the part that I just have a hard time and
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  Speaker 2: you got again. I'm very open minded to being taught
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  Speaker 2: and I'll change my ways. It's very hard for me
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  Speaker 2: to believe, like, why when I have all the momentum,
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  Speaker 2: do you guys take it back so easily and then
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  Speaker 2: give it back to me.
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  Speaker 3: It's a fickle thing because it's funny people trying to
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  Speaker 3: acquire momentum. They're waiting for that opportunity to strike to
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  Speaker 3: garner the momentum.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, that's true. Yeah, that's a great point.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think college football, there's much more of an argument
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  Speaker 1: that we could stand up for momentum. The young psyche
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  Speaker 1: of a young man hardly even able to drink momentum
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  Speaker 1: goes a long way.
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  Speaker 2: Who had the momentum in the Miami game?
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  Speaker 1: Neither Neither neither, because I'm playing the game back in
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  Speaker 1: my head, dude, and it's like Miami could have won
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  Speaker 1: that game by multiple scores, maybe.
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  Speaker 3: All those field goals or field goals.
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  Speaker 2: Tony got tripped by his toenail on that he's by
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  Speaker 2: the way, he's awesome, unbelievable on that punt return, and
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  Speaker 2: then we didn't get any points. Uh. Yeah, I would
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  Speaker 2: say that's probably a fair assessment of that game. But Miami, man,
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  Speaker 2: we're back, you guys. We've been saying, we've been saying
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  Speaker 2: that U is back for like ten years. College football
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  Speaker 2: playoff win, going to play Ohio State, I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: go play Ohio State and the Cotton Bowl feels back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Do you feel like Miami has a chance against Ohio State?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I think you always have a chance, right, I think
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  Speaker 2: at this stage, the teams that are that are all left.
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  Speaker 2: I think the defense is really good. I think our
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  Speaker 2: defensive coordinators a stud you know, obviously I'm a huge
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  Speaker 2: Mario guy just because for I mean for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of reasons. But we go way back. I mean I've
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  Speaker 2: known Mario since I was a freshman in high school.
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  Speaker 2: He coached me, recruited me at multiple I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: have a good friendship and go way back. So obviously
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  Speaker 2: I always root for Miami. I root for Mario specifically,
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  Speaker 2: but uh yeah, man, I think we got a show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also a big Ryan Day guy. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: here's what I will say about my fandom, and then
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  Speaker 2: we can talk about whatever. It's your show. I I'll
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  Speaker 2: just get all this off my chest. Obviously, I always
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  Speaker 2: pull for Miami. I'm a Miami guy. Met my wife there,
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  Speaker 2: Miami household, my kids love it, so like we're We've
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  Speaker 2: always supported Miami, good, bad, indifferent since I left. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm more and I'm more at all levels. I root
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  Speaker 2: for people like when Mario Christoval was the head coach
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  Speaker 2: at Oregon, I was an Oregon guy, like I love
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Day and right now he's the coach at Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: I like Ryan as a guy. I've gotten to know
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  Speaker 2: him as a friend, like I want now, I want
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  Speaker 2: Miami to win. Don't get me wrong, but I root
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  Speaker 2: for Ryan Day. If Ryan Day and I woke up
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow and he was the head coach at Michigan, he
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  Speaker 2: was the head coach at Nebraska, I would still root
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  Speaker 2: for those schools. So I like follow people more than
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  Speaker 2: I do schools or teams. But that's just my approach. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I like that outside of Miami.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, No, I share a lot of that too.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say this, Ryan Day is not being considered for
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  Speaker 1: the Michigan job.
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  Speaker 2: He's not a who is Michigan going to hire? That's
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  Speaker 2: not going great, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know, and I'll be honest, like it's
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  Speaker 1: a ship show. It's I think like right now, if
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  Speaker 1: the strategy was wait for debor or dialing or if
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  Speaker 1: you can't get to bor Get dilling Ham, you can't
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  Speaker 1: base a top five programs head coach off of possible
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  Speaker 1: results going one way or the other. It's just a foundationally,
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  Speaker 1: it's a bad move. And I personally believe like if
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  Speaker 1: you are a top five school, you need to always
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  Speaker 1: have that get at a jail free card that, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: our chest move in the background in case something like
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  Speaker 1: what has happened at Michigan, Like if you have a
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  Speaker 1: guy that he loses his job, goes on a mental breakdown,
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing allegedly allegedly you.
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  Speaker 2: That you guys, can you hear me?
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  Speaker 3: Can you hear us?
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  Speaker 2: I lost your sound your.
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  Speaker 1: Baby that he's blaming you talking about Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: Let me just yeah, let me mute this. I can't
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  Speaker 3: no going back.
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  Speaker 2: Where were you saying about Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: It's a shit show. And I think that like strategically,
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  Speaker 1: you can't you can't be Hey, if this happens, then
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  Speaker 1: this kind of result based if you're a top five program.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little disappointed in the fact that you didn't
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  Speaker 1: have like in your back pocket, like, hey, if something
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  Speaker 1: ever happens, we got this guy, this guy and this guy.
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  Speaker 3: That we know.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, they and they're aware, we're aware back channels the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. We had an oseron on and he's meeting
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  Speaker 1: guys at a gas station in the middle of Louisiana
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  Speaker 1: knowing that he's gonna be the interim heead coach three
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  Speaker 1: days before it happens, Like that's the kind of that's
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  Speaker 1: the kind of backdoor stuff I need going on at
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  Speaker 1: my school so that we can kind of figure everything out. Now,
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  Speaker 1: clearly there's a lot of bigger issues out there, but
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  Speaker 1: the Boor wins and dilly ham Sin's an extension in
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  Speaker 1: my mind.
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  Speaker 3: The entire Michigan plan just got yeah, yeah, if that is, do.
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  Speaker 2: You really think do you really think Kaitlin de Borr
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  Speaker 2: if they would have lost that game to Okloma, you
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  Speaker 2: really think he'd lead Alabama for Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, in a vacuum, just that statement is no.
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  Speaker 1: I think if there's a lot of things going on
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes that made me believe, oh, this is
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  Speaker 1: a real possibility. But I think if you just said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: do you think the head coach of Alabama would leave
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  Speaker 1: to go to Michigan, I think it's clearly the answer
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  Speaker 1: is no. But then you put in a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: factors that people are saying question marks behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, if these three things happen, then you see it.
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  Speaker 1: That's where I start to have some level of belief.
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  Speaker 1: But once they beat Oklahoma, it was like, all right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's on life support. That whole thought process if
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  Speaker 1: I'm Michigan, and your two guys are Debor and Dillingham,
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  Speaker 1: and then the rest of the pack, because there's plenty
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  Speaker 1: of good coaches out there. I know Whittingham from Utah,
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  Speaker 1: he's like his name is now, like come in the fold.
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  Speaker 1: He's a fantastic coach with the limited resources. But if
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  Speaker 1: you're a mission like it's these two then everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm of the mind frame of you need to
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  Speaker 1: stick with the interim head coach, foundationally, find yourself a president,
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  Speaker 1: start to heal from a pr standpoint the mistakes that
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  Speaker 1: Michigan's clearly made in the last few years, and do
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  Speaker 1: it the right way, because if you just get a
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  Speaker 1: guy to get a guy, you're you're a band aid
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  Speaker 1: on a bigger wound and it's just going to be
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  Speaker 1: an issue in twenty eight, twenty nine to thirty and beyond.
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  Speaker 2: The Dillingham thing to me is interesting, right. So he
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  Speaker 2: signs the extension, and obviously I know his roots and
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  Speaker 2: ties to Arizona State, but he then had his press
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  Speaker 2: conference where you know, everyone's excited he's signed an extension,
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  Speaker 2: he's not leaving for another job, and he's like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I need somebody in Arizona that can cut a twenty
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  Speaker 2: million dollar check, and we didn't cut a twenty million
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  Speaker 2: dollar check. I can't win. I can't compete. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: thinking to myself, like, at Michigan, you could have five
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  Speaker 2: guys right, twenty million dollar checks. I mean, the money
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  Speaker 2: is completely not even the problem at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's in big game.
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  Speaker 2: Bryce Underwood ten million. So if you know money is
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  Speaker 2: an issue, and you know that's what it takes to compete,
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  Speaker 2: why not take the Michigan job. Unless that Michigan job
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  Speaker 2: is just such a disaster and you're just walking into
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  Speaker 2: such a shit storm that it's not the time to
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  Speaker 2: take it, is all I can think of.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is everything you just said. Is the fear
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  Speaker 1: that goes in the frame of mind of a Michigan
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  Speaker 1: fan of Michigan alone is like, is it if you
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  Speaker 1: were really a top five coach? Are you looking at
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  Speaker 1: that situation going let me be the guy that walks
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  Speaker 1: into that because it is It is scary, and for me,
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  Speaker 1: it's like everyone's willing, Like the ad of Michigan says,
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  Speaker 1: I'm willing to open up the check book for the
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  Speaker 1: next head coach of Michigan. And if you're Dillingham and
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  Speaker 1: your heart's truly in Arizona, sign a ten year deal,
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  Speaker 1: spend a decade in an arbor, get us a couple
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  Speaker 1: of natties, and then guess what. The ASU job is
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna be open. That's not gonna be like a
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  Speaker 1: oh we hope so like that has more of a
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  Speaker 1: rolodex of new coaches every few years. Anyway, you need
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  Speaker 1: a guy like Billiam.
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  Speaker 2: You give me interest. See they get man.
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  Speaker 1: Last thing on the on the momentum, last thing on momentum.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the Panthers take down Tampa Bay and it
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  Speaker 1: was kind of wishy washy until some guy walks out,
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  Speaker 1: starts beating the drum and completely changes the momentum for
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  Speaker 1: the Panthers. What's that about?
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  Speaker 2: That is where a momentum is real. But I banged
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  Speaker 2: the drum and that place came alive, and I gave
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  Speaker 2: just a nice casual. It's not about me, but it
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  Speaker 2: is about me for me. But we are here for me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying who's saying it. People have said this,
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  Speaker 2: that place hasn't been that packed in years. Whether it's
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  Speaker 2: a correlate, you know, causation, correlation to the guy banging
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  Speaker 2: the drum will I guess we'll never know. But all
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  Speaker 2: I know is that place came to life and we
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  Speaker 2: went a huge Division game at home to keep our
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  Speaker 2: playoff hopes alive. I'm not saying it. Some people are
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  Speaker 2: saying it was the drum, So thank you the momentum there.
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  Speaker 2: In that case, the momentum was completely real. The sideline
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  Speaker 2: felt it, the locker room felt it. Yeah, that was real.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's Greg Olson in Carolina, it's fifty cent in Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 1: Both one. Greg Olsen did more for the Panthers than
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  Speaker 1: for Oklahoma. That's what we're getting at.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly when you smacked that drum.
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  Speaker 1: The first time you put a dent in that mother
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  Speaker 1: like that thing, did you think I'm abo to rip
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  Speaker 1: this thing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I didn't want to go too hard,
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: you know. I feel like there's it's like we have
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: like an epidemic right now in the league of guys
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: like getting like oblique injuries. I feel like I've never
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: seen guys hurt their obliques as much as they have
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  Speaker 2: this year. I was worried about that rotation that I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't prept I saw the team Cairo, who's a buddy
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  Speaker 2: of mine who had worked on me for years, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, dude, I might need you to give
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  Speaker 2: me like some t spine, some lower lumbar and just
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  Speaker 2: like get me moving at halftime, just so I don't
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  Speaker 2: I can go in and be real tight in the turn.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't want to say it was the
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  Speaker 2: it was the moment of the day, but it certainly
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  Speaker 2: was the moment of the day.
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  Speaker 3: The team needed a spark and they got it.
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  Speaker 1: They need.
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  Speaker 2: I needed the guys to be on the sideline and
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  Speaker 2: be like, guys, I feel something right now. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I'm so much more motivated to go play. That
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  Speaker 2: dude banging that fucking drum. He did that for me.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to quit. I wasn't really into the game.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm alive now, and uh that was my role.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, how do you uh, since we're in the NFC,
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  Speaker 3: how do you see the playoff picture shaking up? For
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  Speaker 3: the Panthers. You got Panthers bucks. For the division, you
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  Speaker 3: got Packers Lions. Packers have to lose out and Lions
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  Speaker 3: have to win out to make it in there. But
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  Speaker 3: it's like the Chicago Bears over the weekend, them and
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  Speaker 3: three NFC West teams are now cemented in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Players crazy, It's unbelievable. I think the NFL NFC is
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  Speaker 2: really fascinating. I think they're loaded. I think there are
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  Speaker 2: some division winners that are not thrilled to see some
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  Speaker 2: of these wildcard teams. We gotta hope Jordan Love is okay.
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  Speaker 2: You know, obviously Green Bays already, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 2: gotten a couple of big injuries, and obviously Mike get
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  Speaker 2: and all that. So you've got to hope that he's
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  Speaker 2: ready to rock come playoff time, if you know they
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  Speaker 2: make it as a presumably as a wildcard. I still
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: think Philly is a I've been saying this for so
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  Speaker 2: was like something about Philly that I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: play them. That defense has gotten really good, playing as well,
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  Speaker 2: if not, you know, better than they were last year,
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  Speaker 2: even which is saying a lot that d Lion's coming
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  Speaker 2: to life. Jalen Phillips. What a great trade by Roseman
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  Speaker 2: in the front office, getting him from Miami a couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks ago. They've been really good up front, taking
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  Speaker 2: the ball away, playing really good defense, and then the
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  Speaker 2: offense just keeps It feels like they just get a
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  Speaker 2: little bit better, a little bit better, and we all
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  Speaker 2: know talent. Talent can pop at any moment. And you
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  Speaker 2: look in that huddle, they got some real dudes. Sounds
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  Speaker 2: like that Lane Johnson's going to be back for this
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  Speaker 2: weekend's game. That's huge. Jalen Carter on defense. So I
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  Speaker 2: still think LA and Seattle are the two top, and
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  Speaker 2: I think Philly's right there. Chicago's a thrill a minute,
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  Speaker 2: whether or not that you know, we'll see how that
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  Speaker 2: race ends. I think that the seven NFC teams, it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a fascinating to see how it all falls.
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  Speaker 2: And then I think that's gonna be one of the
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  Speaker 2: better NFC playoffs that we've had in years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with everything you said, except for that the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: The last two weeks they played the Commanders and the Raiders,
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  Speaker 1: and I just can't put a whole lot of stock
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  Speaker 1: and then like they are, they clearly look better, but
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  Speaker 1: they also had to come back from a deficit against
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  Speaker 1: the Commanders the Raiders. It's like, you hate it for
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  Speaker 1: those guys, especially guy like Max Crosby, who deserves to
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  Speaker 1: be on a winning team, but it's like they're both
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  Speaker 1: non competitive teams, and the Eagles look great against the
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  Speaker 1: Raiders and the Commanders. It's like, well, you had to
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  Speaker 1: come back from that game and all that. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to be supportive of the Eagles right now.
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  Speaker 3: Love love, love some of those.
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  Speaker 1: Players, but it's just like something's not clicking, something, something's.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Not they they might win their first game, like they'll
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: have a home game, but after that, like they won't
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: get any farther than the second round.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough to get through.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Who do you think in the first two rounds? They
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: can't be right? So let's assume let's look at it.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Let's assume La Seattle will be one. Let's just say
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: it's Seattle. Let's say Seattle doesn't stub their ho because
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Seattle has the Panthers, and then I think they play
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: the forty nine ers drive that right, ye yeah, okay,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: So what's weird is San Francisco controls their own destiny
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: as does Seattle. So assuming they both, you know, so
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: san Francisco plays tonight against Indy. Let's say they handle business,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: and then who does who does San Francisco play in
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: week seventeen?
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: They play the Seahawks, I think or the Rams.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: They played Seattle.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, they played I thought they played Seattle the last week.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I thought week eighteen they played Seattle.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, last last week they played Seattle. Next week they
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: played the next play the Bears.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: It's a big game too.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: So that is a big game that man.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: They that's because because what would be really interesting is
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: if Seattle wins. If Seattle wins and San Francisco wins,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: and they go into Week eighteen, that's not only for
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: the division, it's for the number one seed, which is
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: wild to think about that San Francisco potentially could be
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: the number one seed and not have to play a
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: road game. They could go all the way to the
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: super Bowl and not play a road game. That's pretty remarkable.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: But so your question is who My question is who
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: do you think in the divisional round Philly can't beat.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think they can beat the Seahawks, but.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: The Seahawks might be the one seat.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: We're saying.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: They already beat the Rams. But there was a weird
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: situation that took place. It was in it was in Philly,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: correct when they played Yes, yeah, it was in Philly.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Multiple bit.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I called that game I called that game.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I think the Rams, the Rams will beat them. I
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: think the forty nine ers the way they're going would
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: beat them.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: It's Rams, forty nine ers in green Bay right now?
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Remember so remember so if they I still think there's
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: a decent shot. We'll see how the NFC North shakes
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: out and all that. But there's a shot that Philly
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: could become the two seed, correct, right, so they would
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: host this seven who could be Chicago? It could be
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: right now, right now, it's green Bay, green Bay. You
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: don't think so Philly at home against green.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Bay, Yeah, they could beat him.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I think Philly wins that game. I think Philly. This
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: is just the injuries, this is yeah. I mean if
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Jordan loves not playing, yes, Jordan.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Now let's say they win. Now they play in the
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: divisional round. They don't have to play the NFC West
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: champion because that obviously will be the one seed. So
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: now you're looking at the Bears, the forty nine Ers,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the Rams potentially. Like again, am I saying they're gonna
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl? No, it's just I think the NFC.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: You take out Seattle, who I do think is really
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: good if they're the one seed, you're not playing Seattle
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: until the NFC champion until the NFC championship. Yeah, any
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: of those teams for Philly unbeatable.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: They're not unbeatable. But again, the Bears went into Philadelphia
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: and beat them by two score game not too long.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: That was the two point. That was the down fifteen
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: to two point play right, So they went in.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: It was a November twenty eighth night, it.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Was think it was it was Black Friday game.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they beat them twenty four to fifteen. Yeah. Again,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I my point is they're beatable. They are beatable.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I could make a strong for Philly. I could make
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: as strong an argument that Philly could win that I
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: can any of the rest of the team. And that's
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: my point. I think the NFC playoffs is fascinating because
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I genuinely do think I do think Seattle's the best.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Then the Rams are close. I think the rest of
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that group two through seven, I could throw them in
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: a hat and I could make an argument why either
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: of them could beat them home away. I really do
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: think all of those teams could potentially go as far
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: as any of the rest.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be done for that Eagles team to
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: beat a Bears team with all that momentum the Bears got.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Right now, momentum of the Bears is real.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Dude, it is. I have so much fun.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: They have so much momentum.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they do. They have a lot of momentum. If
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: you watch those post game locker room clips, I love them.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I said a few weeks ago that the Bears were
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: gonna make the playoffs. Boy was I wrong. But I've
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: had so much fun watching Ben Johnson in the locker
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: room with the squad, with the with their little chant
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: going on, like that's a chant to we're in the beginning.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: When they win, it's kind of like, oh, this is corny,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: and now the chant is just hey, if you don't
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: like the chant, like you might have a little sweetness
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: to you. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like you're
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: so bought into these post locker room chants, these fourth
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: quarter comebacks. Everything happening in Chicago right now is it's
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: it's been fun to watch, and.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: It's it's clearly there's always been some sort of not
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: hit the defense and not very good. They're more opportunistic
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the Williams, he throws the ball under sixty percent completion percentage,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: but they just win. Yeah, and then Caleb Williams in
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: overtime throws an absolute bomb and doesn't get crazy, except
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: he just does maybe the hardest celebration ever by just
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: dusting the shoulders and putting his hands in his pockets.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, these boys are real. Yeah, hate on
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the nails, but you want.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: His hands were in his hand warmer before the ball
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: was caught.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Dad, you can't. You got a juicy up walk off.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: It's amazing, amazing, Bears, when the Super Bowl?
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Your nails? What's that?
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Bears?
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: When the Super Bowl? Are you painting your fingernails in solidarity? Yeah? Sure, yeah,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I'll do it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I'll have a Macha, I'll paint my fingernails whatever.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Hey hey, I'll tell you what though, Manchas kind of
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: go hard, right.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I've tried it. My wife's got My wife got into
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Mancha for a while, and I would like, I'm not
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: a coffee guy. I've never had a cup of coffee.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: But I'll crush an espresso martini but I've never but
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I've never had a cup of coffee. Like, I don't
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: start my day with coffee.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's it's a weird brag. It's a
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: weird brag. But also, you've had coffeepresso martini.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I crushed an espresso martini at dinner. We actually made
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: him at the house last night, just as like a
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: little nightcap after the game. And yeah, it's just a
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: weird thing. I do not crave coffee. My wife loves it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I've sipped it. I've I'll be like, hey, is this
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a great cup? Like She's like, this is a great
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: cup of coffee. I'm all right, I'm gonna try it
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: and I'll take a sip of like I don't I
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: don't get it. I don't get it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Life is your caffeine, bro.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm just I'm ready to talk ball with
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the boys. Need a coffee to get up in the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: morning to talk ball.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: No, a cup of coffee is life. That's wild. As
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Taylor just puts down in some cold brew. I love
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: it the cup right now.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But Macha you like macha?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: No, that was my point. I took a sip of
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: her like when she was in her Macha phase, and uh, yeah,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it just had like a weird I don't know. It
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: didn't do it for me.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Man, that's a bummer. That's a bummer.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Coffee are you into it? Is it like a daily I'm.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm a black coffee guy, and I only waver
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: from that kind of like during the holiday season when
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I'm feel a little faster. Let me
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: get this pumpkin spice, let me go and get this
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: peppermint whatever. But it's it's pretty much just that my
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: wife's had a couple of machas and it tastes like
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: what are those like Japanese desserts that are like a
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: little rice paper round up but there's ice cream in
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the middle. What are the called? Anyway, I'm man just
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: tasting a green tea one of those onward. Yeah, not
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the show. Not the show we're looking at, dude. I mean,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the NFC is exciting, but like you look at the Broncos, Patriots,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and Jags right now, even the Chargers. It's like.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: A Hello, is there a hotter team in the NFL
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: right now than the Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: No sinse.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Last week when it was the Broncos, yeah, then they just.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: And the Broncos had all the momentum until last week's
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: game against Jacksonville. But to your point, I have Jacksonville
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: this week against Indy in Indy. Could be a sneaky
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: fun game.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Could be a sneaky fun game. I don't It's hard
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: for me to buy that the culture going to put
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: up a fight now that we have a little bit
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: of film with Philip Rivers and we see what, you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: how they might try and schematically attack Jacksonville. Jacksonville is hot,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: right yeaw bro, they're good.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: But to put it uh, for Greg's point, like Jacksonville
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the top dog right now, they just beat the top
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: What a perfect game for them to kind of like
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: play a little below their level and making a sneaky
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: fun game to watch.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like if they search out the storylines, I think storylines.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I think Indianapolis played their ass off on defense. Last
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: week in Seattle, had the lead with twenty seconds left.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: You know, here we are talking about Seattle is one
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: of the best teams in the league in Indy with
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: a quarterback that I hadn't played in four years. Went
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to Seattle and took the lead with thirty seconds and
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously didn't win, but went toe to toe
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: with them in their place. We'll see how they do
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: tonight against San Francisco. They play well against San Francisco tonight,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Philip Rivers gets a couple more weeks to get his
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: feet under him, get back in shape a little bit,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: get the juices ripping.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I think when they assigned us that game, I was like, interesting,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: like not typically a Fox game, not a game that
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I would have anticipated. But as the last week or
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: two have gone on, especially watching Jacksonville yesterday for the
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: first time, like really sitting down to watch them in
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: that late window against Denver, I was like, these guys
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: are good, Like there's nothing fluky about this. I mean
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: they won against they beat Denver decisively.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm more like going to the Seattle going thinking
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: about the Colts. Like I know, there's really no like
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: lookover games in the NFL, but part of me I
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: buy more that Seattle was looking toward more of their
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Thursday night game against the Rams than when they were
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: you know, having full focus, having full energy into the
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: game against the Colts. You can get loaded in that trap,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: you can get LOLd. I'm not saying like it's intentional
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: on Seattle's part, but again, they had a massive game
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: coming up Thursday night, a rematch against the Rams. To
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: where you're playing the Colts Philip rivers like you don't
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: have You don't know exactly how they're going to go
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: about everything offensively with Phil. They kind of snuck up
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: on them. Then Seattle had to realized in the final
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: minute of the game, Hey hey guys, we're the Seattle Seahawks.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Let's go down here to some points. Yeah, and get
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: onto a Thursday game.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Dude, I mean just being on the Seattle that that
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: game against the Rams is that the best That had
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: to be the best game of the entire year.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Totally, it was.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: We were able to watch that game because we were Dude.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Last Thursday was a ship show for us. But the
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: two do you think we are?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: You guys?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't. I was in New York doing Christmas
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: in New York with the family, so I didn't get
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: to really watch which of the game last last year
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: for Busting with the.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Boys, I saw the lady took your family picture and
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: put her finger in the lanes. That was good. You
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: guys don't think I follow you, guys. I know I am.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I'm all in on busting. I'm all in with the boys.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I appreciate their lives. I like following your kids.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I'm in I love it. Yeah, one thing.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: One thing too. We had a whole conversation about Greg
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Olsen leaving Fox coming to bustle with the boys last.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Weear like, we know you're about it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: We're about it as well. We'll figure the whole thing out.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: But you're watching that game. I'm watching that game to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the first two point conversion happens and ball gets bad
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: at down, someone just picks it up in the end
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: zone and itcounts from your vantage point if you are
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the referee and you're watching that back, is that a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: backwards pass? In your opinion?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: It was. I love it because remember La, because remember
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: sideways is backwards, so different the way the letter of
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: the law. And they harp this. Mike Pereira sends out
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: videos to us at Fox like weekly, anywhere between ten
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and twenty five minutes of like all the controversial calls,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: real nuanced rules, just to try to bake some of
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: these situations in our head in the event you get
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: that like random one off. So lateral is backwards, backwards
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: is backwards, it has to be a forward pass. So
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: from the time that ball left his hand and hit
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the guy in the helmet, it was clearly going backwards.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: And it's just such a weird play because the whistle
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. There's no such thing as an inadvertent whistle
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: if it is picked up. A backward pass can be
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: at advanced by the non throwing player, a fumble cannot
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: be advanced, or like, there's some real nuance to all
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: of this. But by the letter of the law, that
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: is a conversion. I would not be shocked to see
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: that placed on the table at like the owner's meeting
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: and say, Okay, no one ever imagined that moment was
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: going to happen. Let's put some guardrails in place to
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: make sure you don't get awarded a two point conversion
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: when you failed the two point conversion. I would not
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: be shocked to see them try to put some more
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: like specific rulings for that exact situation, because that sucks.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Like you defend that play. Everyone had given up on
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the play and it eventually led to you losing. Kind
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: of a weird one, but by the letter of the law,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: it was legit.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean did the referees, man, but.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Will what do they teach you? Right? What do they
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: teach you guys on defense? Man?
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: No, you're right, but I'm thinking of other situations everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: get on the ball, pick up everything.
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• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Did you see the situations with the Lions. Yes, even
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: when you're watching the Patriots game and the uh Drake
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: may throw is a deep ball, I forget the.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Booty should have been should have been a flag? Yeah,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: nearly as clear as day should have been a flag.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Humphrey's just sitting there tackling him like right in
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: front of like everybody. The announcers are even laughing about it, like, yeah,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: that's a miss. Like that's that's a pass interference, right,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Like moments that just at her and we're seeing we
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: just I feel like it, especially this time of year,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: like it sticks out like a sore thumb, and like
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: when there's a bad call that happens. Would you make
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: of the lion situations down there? Like when they went
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: for it was when they went for two, right or
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: the touchdown the score the little pick touchdown, the little
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: pick route and then he was even not even a
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: pick route.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: It was a bott let me go body, Jel and
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Ramsey throw him into the the rafts for a second,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: come back to the ball, not score.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: There was two.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so there was there's a lot of.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Time with the last play of the game. Is that
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: What about that they scored?
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: They scored on a pick route, They ran a little
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: dart slant.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Washington, Darnell Washington, Okay, remember the wrong play, keep.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Going no but no, but that no, but you're right.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: But the whole series of events was wild because they're
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: up five. They kick a very short field goal to
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: go up eight, saying, okay, at least we gave force
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: a tie at the very least, and the guy misses it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: They picked this dealers. Kicker misses it, so they remained
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: down five. So now it's touchdown or bust four down mode,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: go to win the game, and they score, But it
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: was real late, Like the TV, they didn't reference that
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: there was a flag on the pick route to the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: right corner, like they no one said there was a flag.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: They're showing the celebration, you know how usually like the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: yellow thing that says flag, yeah, pops up. Nothing came
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: and then like i'd say, a good fifteen seconds later,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the flag was referenced. Then they showed the replay and
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: you're like, okay, obviously clearly past interference. Then the aman
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Rah one that you're talking about, Taylor was insane. I mean,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: the amount of moving parts there. I would have liked
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: to have seen a replay. I don't write like we
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: all assumed it was going to be some sort of
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: past interference, but we didn't actually get a replay of
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: aman Rah punching the guy in the chest at the
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: goal line Jalen Ramsey until clearly after the officials announcement.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: But in those situations, putting all that together is not easy,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: right for Romo and Nance to try to decipher all
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: that in the real moment is not easy. The biggest
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: part of all of that is offensive penalties don't extend
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: the game. Right, So even if you don't know, even
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: if in which I don't blame them for not knowing,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: then there was a lateral. If it was clearly a lateral,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: it can be advanced by golf because it's under two minutes.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: If it was a fumble, it cannot be advanced by
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: anyone other than the fumbling party.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: In that case, Tom and Ross worked down correct.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Inside two minutes.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I thought it was only fourth down. The only person
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: that can advance the ball is the guy that fumbled.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Pretty sure. Now you have me second guessing myself. We
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: have to Now you have me second guessing. I'm fairly
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: certain there's a time element. I think fourth down for sure. Yes,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: So in that case it would have been fourth down,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: and in the last two minutes, I'm pretty sure there's
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: a time element. But now you have me second and
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: guessing myself, so we can fact I hate doing that
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: fourth down, fourth down for sure. But so like, there
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: was so many different factors on there, but the only
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: thing that mattered was offensive penalty. As as time goes
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: to zero, regardless of the outcome of the play. There
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: is no untimed down. Untimed downs only for defensive penalties,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: which happens very rarely. That off the top of your head,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure f in the moment, I would have
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: known it either.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And the thing that's crazy too, is like, while the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: referees are sitting there and talking, you have Steelers players
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and Lions players like coming in trying to give their
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: two cents in the whole thing. And you could tell,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: like in their minds from an entertainment standpoint, it might
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: not be just entertainment, but they're like getting the players
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: far enough away to where they can have a conversation
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: without them hearing, to where you don't see like the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Steelers guys cheering or any of that. Exactly true. Ww shit.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: And then for the referee, and I my heart goes
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: out to the Lions and fans made because it's got
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: to be such a heartbreaking, like getting your hopes up
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: like that heartbreaking. But for him to start over all
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the things being like the result of the plays a
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: touchdown is the craziest way to start all of that.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: And you're just like, and you.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Hear the Lions fans lose their mind, like we just
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: won and our playoff hopes are alive. We're ripping all
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the things, and he goes the result of the play
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: is a touchdown. But but but that it was like,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: oh my god, it was It was true cinema.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: It really was fair.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: And that's such a tough announcement, right, because you have
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: to acknowledge it was a touchdown. It was a legal lateral,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: but it was an offensive penalty. Yes, time expired, because
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: if there was one second left, they would have enforced
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the offensive pass interference retried fourth down. But because it
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: went to zero. I mean, there was so many elements
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: to that play in real time, and then to get
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: up there and address the crowd, the country and concisely
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: package it all together for it to just make sense.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: I don't envy the position of the officials.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Now, you almost can't start off with the result of
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: the playoff a touchdown. You almost just have to say,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: all right, guys, bear with me for one for sixty seconds,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: grab a beer.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just hold hold on your ass.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: R take a quick five minute break. We'll get back
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: to you in.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Just a moment. Yeah, yeah, everybody, bear with me, because
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say something you're gonna get excited, but then
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: it's gonna make you very mad, So just let me
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: finish the sixty seconds.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And dude, like Rogers after that just kind
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: of like sitting there and you can see he's like
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: reflecting in his postgame press conference about ten years ago
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: he did X, Y, and Z. He was a part
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of a game like this thirteen years ago, except where
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: we had a bad refs and you just kind of
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: see like the joy on Rogers's face for the first
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: time in a long time. It's like, good for you Mansen.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Putting good balls. Bicep tack. Yeah, that kept sticking out
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: to me. I was like, God, I didn't realize he
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: was all tatted up, but they kept showing. I don't
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: know if you wore like a different sleeve or like
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: he didn't work. I don't know what was going on,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: but like we got a hundred shot. We didn't get
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: the replay sequence, but we got the shot of Rogers's
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: arm tat like ten times, which was also mind blowing.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't even realize he was tatted up.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: It was awesome. Man.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Lot going on that. I mean, you talk about the
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: three three National Games, Thursday the Bears Packers on Fox,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and then that ending on CBS, like both teams down
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: ten points plus in the fourth quarter come back. It
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: was oh no, that was last night's game. But like
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: then you factor in Sunday's game where they were down
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: ten New England. Those four games, the drama that ended
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: those four games is incredible.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a in that New England game when
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: they were I think it was eleven. Yeah, they were down,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: they were down eleven, they were score and so they're
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: down by four and I thought I saw a Rabel
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: put a one up, and I'm think him, ain't no
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: way they're going for one right now to make it
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a four point game, Like, you got to make it
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: a three points. So I got my phone out, We're
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: ready to take a photo, not minutes left in the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: fourth blah blah blah. And then the end up going
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: for two. I'm like, all right, what are gonna talk
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: about this with Greg tomorrow? Because that would have been
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: a devastating, strategically bad move by them.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Bad. I sit there now, and all the games
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I watch, I almost question every time do they need
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: to be going.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: For it right here? One hundred percent?
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: They should go for two. Damn there every time. Yeah, yeah,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: they should.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Go amount up two point plays this weekend, dude, we
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: saw Siriani late in the game. The game was over.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: In our game, go up seventeen, Tank Bigsby, I want
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to say it was Tank Bigsby scored to go up seventeen.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Instead of kicking the extra point to go up eighteen,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: he went for two to go up nineteen. In the moment, right,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I'm factoring on this. I'm like, I guess being up
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: nineteens better than being up eighteen. I'm like literally doing
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: this in the commercial break in my brain, and I'm like, well,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: cause it's two touchdowns, two two point conversions and a
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: field goal tie versus two touchdowns, two two point conversions
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: and a field goal beats you. But there's four minutes
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: to go in the game, Josh Johnson's at quarterback. Is
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: there really a likelihood of them even getting three? And
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like doing all these mental gymnastics in my head,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know what, They've missed three field goals.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: They're kicking situations a disaster, Like I don't blame him,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: just go work on your two point plays. Like that's
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: literally how I ended up like summarizing it, Yeah, because
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: to be up nineteen eighteen, I don't know if it
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: really mattered at that point in the game. It was over,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, what is that fight broke out?
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: What's your preference on calling a Friday game? Like does
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: it mess up your routine or you kind of about
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: it that way? You can go watch ball Saturday Sunday.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: It was so my game was Saturday, so I called
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: it this Saturday. That Saturday. Fox had a doubleheader this year,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: which was super cool. So we got two national games.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: We did so I think when they started, when they
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: set the schedule and they told us about this, I
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: think the assumption was our crew was going to do
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Bears Packers, and then the night game Burkhart and Tom
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Kevin and Tom were going to do the rematch of
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the NFC championship, right Eagles depending Super Bowl champs against
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: the Commanders and and all that. So obviously, with the
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: year Washington had, they flipped the game, so we got
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Washington Philly. But still really cool. I mean, two national
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: games on a Saturday obviously went up head to head
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: against some of the college football playoff games. But I
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: loved it. It allowed me to go to the Panther game yesterday.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Took my boys to the Panther game. Got to watch them.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Obviously the momentum that we built on banging the drum.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was weird waking up on a Sunday
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: and just like hanging strolling up to the stadium. Had
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: a couple of beers during the game, watch it. It
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: was it was fun.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: I love it, dude on the on the situational ball.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: The Bears ended up winning the game, but at the
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: end when they decided to kick the extra point, then
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: go for two? Are you thinking are you going for two?
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: You know what, in most instances, I'm going for two
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: to try to just end the game in the moment,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: the moment, I do think you.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Have all the momentum win the game in regular and.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I've said that you want to win the game in regulation.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I think the calculation that they made was the team
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: we're playings down, their star quarterback, offensively, struggling, haven't really
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: gotten a lot of things going. So this is where
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: the analytics world fights back and says, these are not computers,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: these are not robots. All of these factors are baked
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: into the final number that gets spit out. Right, you
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: go into there's a league wide do you go for it,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: don't you? League wide trends? Then each individual team has
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: to take that data in advance predetermined Okay, how does
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: this data affect my team based on what we know?
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: And that's before the game and these little books that
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: they produce because you're not allowed to have tablets, you're
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: not allowed to have the technology. We can have it
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: in the booth as broadcasters. They can't have it in
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: the booth with the coaching staff. They can't have it
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: on the sideline. They're not allowed access to computers, phones,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: tablets that have like any Internet access because they don't
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: want them doing these real, real time calculations. So it's
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: all pre set in these scenario books that they do,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: but then you have to apply it to what's actually
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: going on in the game. Right, So there is an
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: element of real time information that's being calculated. And I
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: think the knock on analytics is, well, you say, go
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: for a quarterback sneak, but what if you're left guards
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: or what if you're and and the guys who do
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: support it sit here and says it is being baked in.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: All those decisions are being calculated by yes or no.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: So I actually do think it was smart to go
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: to overtime because I think the conversation there was, we're
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: playing against a backup quarterback. We're playing against you know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Jordan loves out. I think if Jordan loves in and
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: that game is a higher scoring, more offensive efficiency, I'm
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: going for two. I'm ending the game.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I can get on board with that.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he said a lot. He said a lot to
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: essentially say, I like our ball club better in ot
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: because we have momentum going forward. So we're playing against
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: a backup quarterback.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Well, momentum, the momentum of the game, and the fact
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that Jordan Love, one of the best five quarterbacks in
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: the league, is out of the game in concussion protocol
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: are two very different conversations.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you, but you're still you're you're
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: basing it off your your gut instinct and you're feeling on, Hey,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: they don't have Jordan Love. We just drove down a scored.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Like well thirty eight.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Because again, by the book, by analytics, you go for
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: two and win in regulation, greg are number one. Win
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: in regulation.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: You want to win in regulation. That's every decision that
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: you make is about increasing your opportunity to win the
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: game in regulation that is one hundred percent. How all
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: these the point being, you're not trying to play for
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: a tie when there's five minutes to go in the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: game and you're deciding how many possessions do I have?
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: How many times am I going to get the ball back?
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Do I want to be down nine or seven? All
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: the things we've covered this year, especially in the last
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks. Every decision, the final output is about
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: win probability, not tie probability. Okay, so just understanding that's
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: the framework of how all these models are built. But
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: then in the nuance of the game, and this is
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: where like and again, like the analytics crowd gets kind
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: of like put like into a locker. Like you guys
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: are the nerds on the internet. You know, we're football people.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: We know more than you that the knock on analytics
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: is that you're not taking into account what's happening in
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: a football game. Right. You're not taking into account injuries.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: You're not taking into account is the starting quarterback in
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: or out the center, whatever it is, the score of
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the game. Is it a high scoring game? Yeah? I
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: want to end this shit. I do not want Green
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Bay to possess the ball. We haven't stopped them all day.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: We talked about that last week in the Buffalo, New
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: England game, right where it's like, we haven't stopped Josh
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Allen in three quarters, Why do I want to give
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: him the ball back? So all those factors, the analyts, crowd,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: if that's what I want to be thrown in, I don't.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: That's fine. Those things are being taken into account, but
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: we're not taking into account how people feel on the
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: sideline and how good the postgame, the pregame huddle was,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and we just scored two touchdowns, so I'm going to
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: go for two now, and I didn't score a touchdown,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: so I'm not going to go for two. Those are
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the arguments that have zero bearing on the actual outcome.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: It's not that guys don't feel it, it's just over
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: long periods of time, the outcomes don't support that right.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And a lot of the coveries we revolve around with situational
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: two not to happens at the end of the game.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: In the Miami Texas A and M game, it was
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: clear that both defenses were being were killing each other
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: they were the biggest part of the game in the
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: office is we're getting nothing going. Miami finds himselves in
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: a fourth and three to five situation, down on like
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: the six yard line, going into their end zone. They
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: elect to kick three. They missed the three, and that's
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: what youuation. Are you going for the touchdown in that position?
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: So college. I don't pretend to know the college landscape.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Just use the conversation we're having as these are two
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: football teams that both defenses are I'll.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Take, I'll take. Yeah, So I'll again this happened in
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: the NFL game, because I do think the kickoff situation
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: in the NFL is a significant difference. There's some nuance
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: about field position, right, Like, you know, I fail going
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: forward on fourth and three at the three. If I
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: get it, I get seven. If I go for it
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: and fail, you got the ball in the minus three.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: But if I kick a field goal, let's just call
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the average starting field position in the NFL is the
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: thirty two. So I got three points, but I gave
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: you twenty nine yards. So there is some There is
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: some context about the NFL that makes some of these
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: goal to go situations very different. I'll take my game.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I called on Saturday and I said this in real time.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: What it have mattered, I don't know. Opening kickoff of
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the game, Philadelphia gets the all. They fumble the opening kickoff.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Washington gets the ball on the I don't know, inside
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: to thirty. They go down, they go down, they go down.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: They have like fourth in goal to two two and
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: a half ish and uh on third and two, third
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: and three from they threw an incomplete pass on fourth down.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: They kicked the field goal, so they got an opening
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: kickoff return fumble, got the ball in Philly's field in
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Philly side of the field, got the ball inside the
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: five and kicked the field goal to go up three
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: to nothing. If you're a Philly running off the field defensively,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: let's talk vibes for a minute. How you feel and
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: will you just got a sudden change. You didn't think
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: you were starting the game. Next thing you know, you're
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: on defense, sudden change backed up, All of the motions
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: are high, all the vibes we talk about and all this,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: and you force a field goals at a win or loss, it's.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: A massive dub massive win.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Right, You go for it, you go, you go for
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: the touchdown.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: So that's that's an example. So that they kick off
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: and now instead of the first time, you know, the
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: first time Jalen Hurts gets you know, behind center in
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: that game, instead of if he's in the gun, he's
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: in the end zone. If not, he's under center at
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the one. Instead he's got the ball at the you know,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: we'll call it the thirty three.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, fair points.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: You gotta go for it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: You gotta go for it. The goals get your beat, man.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at look at the Rams on Thursday night.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Now they scored thirty points. How many now that one
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: got taken away on a pass interference? Are on a
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: legal man downfield? Right? One of the early touchdowns. How
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: many field goals did LA kick inside the ten yard line?
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know the number, but a lot.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I'll look at least too.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if you get inside the ten, you got
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: to start having the conversation with yourself as like, we're
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: using four downs to get these ten yards. It seems
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: like that is now I think the new world we
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: are living in. But if you're going through the game
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: and both offenses are absolutely crushing it and you are,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: are you then thinking maybe we don't go for it here.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know kind I'm losing my train of thought
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: a little bit because they so nuanced and it does
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: have so much to do with what's taking place during
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Take the points, man.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I think, first two field goals. First two field goals
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: that La kicked. They were down seven to nothing. They
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: kicked the field goal from the six in the first
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: quarter to go down seven to three. And then their
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: first possession of the second quarter, they had the ball
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and they got down fourth and two at the five,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: got a delay a game fourth, and then they went
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: to fourth and seven at the ten, they kicked the
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: field goal. Yeah, well, you may had the ball at
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: the six and they had the ball at the two
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: and they got six points.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: You get the delay a game, you gotta kick the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: field goal, but you should be going for in the situation.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Again, I didn't see that part of the game. So
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: then they try to make them jump. I don't know
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: exactly what they did, but yeah, no, And listen. The
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: cool thing that I think about all of this is
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: and we joke about momentum, and we joke about what's
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: the best in all this. At the end of the day,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I think the cool thing that comes from a lot
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: of these conversations we've had all year is more people
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: are thinking about it, talking about it, discussing it. They
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: might not agree, they might not all be on the
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: same side of the argument, and that's fine. But I
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: think it's pretty cool that people now are watching the
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: game with those scenarios in their head and watching the
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: game that they think it's time to chirp all of
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: us on Twitter. They're thinking about it. It's in their mind,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: and maybe a year or two ago, it never even
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: dawned on people that these are the decisions that the
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: coaches are wrestling with in real time. We're thinking about
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: it sitting on the couch just watching as fans. But
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: this is very much what's going on all week long,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: during the game, after the game, in postgame recaps, pregame meetings,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: and I think it's cool that now fans and viewers
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: are going through the same mental exercises of game management
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: and strategy that the players and the coaches are going through.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I think that's the win of all of this.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: If anything's come from this conference reason that we've been
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: having on busting with the Boys, it's that we are
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: building strong character in these coaches to understand it's okay
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: to go to the podium and stand ten toes down
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: on some of these decisions you're making. Don't take the
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: scared way out anymore. We are now giving you a
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: vessel to where you can stand on a podium and go.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I learned this on Busting with the Boys. This is
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: the correct.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, exactly.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: I'd love to I love to watch a game with Greg. Yeah,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: just look over and be like, you gotta take the
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: points here.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Because it was truly great, Like, no, you gotta take
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the points here.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: And then when a Chicago kicks the extra points set
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: of going for two, I'm like, look at Ben Johnson,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: he's just taking the easier press conference yep, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking when I want to watch a football game,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: since we've been doing this on these recaps, it's the
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: first fifteen plays on both teams in the first quarter,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: It's the last two minutes of the half. It's the
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: first fifteen plays in the second half, and the last
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: four minutes of the game that are the most exciting
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: for me to watch. Yeah, Like, there could be multiple
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: touchdowns going back and forth, but like, when it comes
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: down to your players have given. This is the proct
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: players have given you. Now as a coach, it's your
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: job to put them in the most advantageous spot to
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: be successful at the end of game, and watching how
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: different coaches make different decisions, that if this team had
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: that coach, they would be more successful than the other
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: way around. Because I've said this before in the bus,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Like as a player, I didn't always look at the
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: coaching staf and be like, oh, we have great coaches.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: That puts us in good position. I just thought we
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: have good players that we don't have good players. We're
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: going to figure out the game and it's all on us. Yeah, truly,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: it's like these very little, these pockets in the game
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: that great coaching elevates your team to a whole new
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: level because then it breeds momentum.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: And Greg's right too, like fans are in it. They're involved,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: They're they're kind of watching and go through what are
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: you what are you laughing at it?
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: That brings that was.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: With the fan part being involved and everything else. It's
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: like I didn't know Greg was coming on today, but
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: I saw whenever I jumped on Twitter, I saw somebody
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: at me and I can't wait to hear. Uh you
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: guys talk about the fourth quarter of the Patriots game,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: and here Greg's takes on everything else. So since my
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: brain was thinking that Greg was gonna come home like sad,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: like sad, we don't get to talk about the situation.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Why did you not think I was coming on?
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know why I thought that.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: I think Clump might have said that you were possibly
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: not going to be on today. So I have no clue.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: I just again I heard here.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Now, So what do you want to talk What situation
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: did they want to talk about?
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Because the fourth quarter of the Patriots Portriots game, Patrid's
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Ravens is like, I think they handled it exactly the
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: way you would say you should handle it.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Was there any was there like a significant situation that
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I missed?
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think so, Like maybe it went the way
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: it should have went. And that fan is just excited
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: to you know, excited that they're seeing the same things
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: we are. To your point, Greg, everybody exercises, so they're
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: just you know, they're giddy, like all the boys are
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: probably going to talk about the way everything was handled
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: situationally in the fourth quarter, well.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Fourth quarter went touchdown Ravens touchdown. Patriots punt six play
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: punt by the Ravens. What was the down and distance
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: when they punted?
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, Greg might have found something. What was the D
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: and D?
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: No, it was all right. So it was fourth and
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: four at midfield.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: What oh, they're on the fifty yard line.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Now they took a You guys probably know that they
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: took a penalty. Mark Andrews false start. Were they were
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: they lined up to try to snap it. I might
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: have been in and out of it.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: They seem like they were in an ice situation. And
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: then the the nickel came down and kind of did
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: one of those but cost the line, and Mark Andrews
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: along with like the right guard like jumped out of there.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: We got him, We got there at.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, So it was like we were going to try
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: to and they didn't. They were going to take a
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: delay game anyway.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Probably, Yeah, it seemed like they were to take delay
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: a game.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: So I think fourth and four at the time, they
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: were up twenty four to twenty one. Fourth and four
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: at midfield. So let's see. So they punted backup quarterback,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: backup quarterback. Yeah, they punted and they pinned New England
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: at the eleven and New England went eighty nine yards
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: for a touch.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: You gotta go in that situation, you go for it.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Let them shoot you first or sooner so you have
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: a better opportunity.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you get the ball back because.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Now the Patriots are thinking, all we got to do
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: is get three here, very able to probably not thinking that,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: but like the old thought process of football is like,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: we're only down by three, let's.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Case them a field range at least I can always tie.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Don't put the ball on harm's way, don't.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Be yep, a little more con Yeah, because I was
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: thinking that when they were on the I believe it
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: was the like the fifty yard line, and they lined
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: up and it was fourth and four. I'm like, I
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: wonder if they're actually and go for it. And then
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: they started doing the hardcounts, all like, okay, they're going
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: to I state the delay game, give their partners some
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: more room to kick it. But I was kind of
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: hoping they would go for it in that situation. It's
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: just so this conversation would have been like was it
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: the right move?
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like it was not the right move
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: to kick to punt the ball.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: And then getting a backup quarterback. It's hard. Listen. I'm
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: not saying any of these decisions are easy, and they're
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: hard to stand up there and defend. I just always
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: think in those situations, I would rather be in control
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: of the outcome in the game than deferring it to
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: you and my reliance on stopping. I don't know, I
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: just think you have an opportunity there to really change
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: the outcome of the game. Under your terms, you get
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: to call the play, you get to decide the formation,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: you get to decide it's something you've worked on all week,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: all year for multiple years. It's a big moment play
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: at top of your play sheet, as opposed to now
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I punt it to you, and now I'm reacting to
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Drake May I'm on the defensive literally trying to just
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: react to a two minute mode, hyper aggressive, four down
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: mode against one of the best quarterbacks in football. My
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: defense isn't particularly great all season. You're not the Texans,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: you're not Seattle other than Thursday when they weren't that good.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: But like, I wouldn't say Baltimore's defense has been this
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: killer all year. So you're like, oh, we're gonna let
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: our defense win the game. Really why.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if it was the Houston or Seattle or
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Den sure you're like, okay, yeah, you feel pretty good
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: about putting your boys in that position. But yeah, I
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: like going for it. I'm fully starting to buy into this.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Fired. We found the situation, Yeah that this was excited
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: for us to talk about.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Because this fan meant chirped us on or not chirped us.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: But was it seems yeah about it, that's what you want? Greg, Uh,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: this is probably a I don't know if you really
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: want to answer this question. Like for us with the boys,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I hate putting in these positions. What's
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: your favorite Christmas movie?
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Oh? Wow, Home Alone?
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: The original, fantastic movie. My kids are all about it.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: We just watched too over the weekend.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Oh Home Alone, I love elf. Yeah, I know that
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't have like the nostalgia of like some of those
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: like classics, you know, Christmas Vacation, Jemy that that's an
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: all timer. Yeah yeah, Home Alone though, like that was
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: my childhood. That was the Christmas movie we watched a
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: thousand times. That the old man neighbor who's so scary
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: and then he turns out to be like this loving
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: man like that was a that was that was just
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: like my childhood, Like you can't get enough of that.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: What's interesting to me watching that movie now having kids
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: that are old enough to like watch consume, they're not
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: just involved with like cartoons, Like they're kind of going
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: through that transformation right now. We're watching Home Alone a
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and I'm always over the conversation
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: with my kids, like, hey, if you're in a situation,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: you're in public and someone's like come with me, and
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: you say no, you scream as as you can. And
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: my oldest is kind of like, Dad, this kid handled business. Yeah,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And I had to basically sit them down and be like,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: that's a movie. You know what happens to that kid?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: If he tries to pull half of those things, he's
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: he's unalived. At the end of that movie, that's what
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: takes place because my kids are legit thinking if we
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: just put some marbles down and tie tie some bancands
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: with some string, we're gonna fuck some bandits up. And
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: it's like, guys, no shot, They're gonna go like this,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: oh and you're done and you're done.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: So the plot of that movie magical. Every kid maybe
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: a little unrealistic. Yeah, maybe call home. It was not
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: eighteen fifty. We were not like using the pony express,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: like simple call to the landline. How you doing? Uh
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: calling neighbor? Can you walk down the street? Like apparently
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: that entire block was just abandoned by people. Everyone on
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: that shore town everyone left.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Uh, And the kid just doesn't call nine on one
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: to like the very end when he's finally got his
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: devious planel set up.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: It's hilarious. Did you see the s and they'll skit
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: on home alone?
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think it was kind of what
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I was just doing, right.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Well they're walking in the room like, hey, watch out,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: there's some marbles on the ground right there, and like.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Like no, no, no, no, no. They did it to where
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: everybody's basically dying from you know, the the uh oh yeah.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: The family comes home and they're like, oh my gosh,
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: you're here, and he's like, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: go in the room and get something. Some just fire
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: sprays the top his head, likes his entire head on fire,
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: and he's screaming, and then it, uh, it sets off
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: this domino effect to everything that happens everybody's essentially dying
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: from all the booby traps that were laying around. Yeah,
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: but it's it's hilarious. You should check it out, dude.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, first, only if I could put you on a
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: little bit of game for you and your wife. Two
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: movies that I would suggest is a family Stone tear jerker,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and then another one is Spirited with Ryan Reynolds and
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Will Ferrell.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: That's a good newer one.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: It's a good newer one. I'm telling you. Christmas Chronicles,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: it's more like a more It's definitely an adult holiday.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Movie like Christmas Chronicles.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: What the hell's Christmas Chronicles?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Check it out. It's on that flip all right, all right,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Kids used to watch Christmas Chronicles when they were kids.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Last thing I'll say it, and they're still kids, they
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: were younger kids.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Last thing I'll say about home alone. When Kevin's mom
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: finally comes home and she looks from and she walks in,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: she goes, Merry Christmas, Kevin, and they have a hug,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: and then the rest of the family walks in and
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: like pretty cool, you made it. And they all just
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: go in the other room and Kevin walks to the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: window and looks at it, the old man who's hugging,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: and it's like, this kid's been home alone for three
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: days and you've been you've been raking yourself over the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: coals and being a terrible mother, and all you can
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: say to him is Merry Christmas, Kevin and then walk
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: in the other room to do whatever. Terrible pandemic and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: didn't Dad the whole time is like, he'll be all right.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: It's just fucking wild to me, the way.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: The dad handles it's so good.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I have the Chiefs just completely packed it in, like
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: you don't make the playoffs, and it's just.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: I think Patrick mahomesseys to be in the MVP conversation
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: still still because you should. They are such a dog
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: shit team without Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Did you see all the players that didn't play? No,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: it was just fifteen. I was hoping this score would
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: end two to nothing. So I was hoping the same thing.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: But sad again, it's the reality of this thing. Man,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: It comes for everyone. It's just some people get to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: last a little bit longer. Yeah, team, you know, team wise,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: obviously Mahomes will be back, He'll be fine, But like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: that thing's going to look a little bit different going forward,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: and maybe that's a good thing. Maybe this is what
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: they needed to say. You know what, We've stretched this
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: probably longer than any of us imagined. We've been thrown
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: into the garbage a hundred times. We thought we were dead.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: We rebranded with this young defense, kickstarted it a couple
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: of years ago, won the Super Bowl, got back to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: another Super Bowl, and maybe we just need to reset
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: and start all over again. And there's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: It's just sad. They were probably watching the last of
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey lose to the Titans. Would is like, hey
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: shot the Titan, that's great, but it was just watching
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: as huge jakeson.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: Greg probably knows. No, this tighten you, brother, that's tight
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: in you family, brotherhood man.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Thick, Yeah, yeah, Thick. We only have five minutes left.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything Greg that you want to talk about?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Who do you got in the m v P race
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Oh? Love that? Right now? I think it's too I
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: think it's Stafford and Drake May agreed.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: Who do you have as the front runner currently? Drake? Drake?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: If the season ended right now, God, if you had
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: asked me two weeks ago, I would have said Stafford, right,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: I mean it's Stafford the reason they lost that. I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: don't like punishing guys for like, oh they lost to Seattle,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: and you become like a creature of you become like
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: a creature of the moment. I still think I'm gonna
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: give it to Stafford. I'm probably not as strong in
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: that opinion as I was two three weeks ago. I
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: think what Drake May is doing on a team that
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: preseason had very little expectations, won how many games last year?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Four new coach bottom of the barrel for them to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: not only be better, for not only them to be good,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: but them to be like potential top seed one or
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: two seed good and be and do that as a
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: young quarterback in this league where we see young guys struggle. Man,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: He's I can make an argument for both. If I
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: had to vote, I'd vote for Stafford.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I do think it's it's Razor thing close because again,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: with Drake May, it's not like he's got Puk DeVante Adams.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a bunch of Yeah.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I can make a great case. So why
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I would vote for Drake And he's a Charlotte kidd.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I've known him for a long time. I mean, he's
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: he's special in all categories and just.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: To be that see being your two and just observing
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: and watching, he seems completely unfazed in the moments that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: he gets in, whether it's hey, they're down, you know,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: down eleven, like just his ability, his poison everything else.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Only being uh, second year in the league, I feel
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: like it's just super impressive.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Here's a fun exercise. Redraft last year's first round quarterbacks.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, give me, give me because you got what you got.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Drake May you got you got Drake, You've got Caleb Williams,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: you got Jane Daniels, you got bow Knicks JJ McCarthy.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, Drake's sitting there one right, totally completely.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I think is the most fascinating part.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: If I'm sitting there and I'm drafting, they're all, they're all,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: they're all on a bench, I.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Think tough because it's really between bow Knicks Caleb Williams,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: those are the two.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: One day.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Daniels was the player.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Injuries injuries, injuries, I know, I know.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: But you're drafting for the next ten.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Years, right right exactly, and so are you gonna take
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: the guy with the higher ceiling, which I think we
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: can agree with Caleb Williams, or take the ultimate pro
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: and maybe a higher floor than bow Knicks. That's kind
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: of how I'm looking at this.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: So you would take both bon Knicks and Caleb over
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Jane Daniels.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: You're talking about the next ten years.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's your franchise quarterback. Yeah. I think what hurt
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: because if I would have if we would have done
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: this at the end of last season, Jane Daniels I
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: think would have been the unanimous number one.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Agreed, agreed.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: The thing is his injuries, and here's about the next
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: ten years, and it's like it's too eerily similar to
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: me from an RG three standpoint, or a great first
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: year than the second year. It kind of it all
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: fell apart. And if we're talking about ten years longevity, well,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I see in by the sample size of fifty, like
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: it's been fifty percent of your career has been injured. Basically,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: it's not your fault and everything can change. But because
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: of those reasons, I have to go with the safer
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: route and go to bow Nix with Caleb Williams who
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: have stayed healthy.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: I I was listening to Matt Ryan kind of talk
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: about quarterback development, and he was talking like, you know,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: for in the first year, like if you were like
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: you strike lightning in the bottle, Like as a quarterback
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: going into your second year, you're kind of just trying
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: to keep your head above water in the first year,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: and then in the second year, like if you have
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: some success, you could get trapped into Hey, I think
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: I know what's going on more out there, so you
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: could play a little over your skis, which I feel
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: like Jane Daniels could be the case in your two
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: outside of the injury stuff. He's like not until like
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: you know, the third even for really the fourth year
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: is when you feel like you're seeing the field, You're
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: seeing the game from all angles that the coaches want
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: you to see it at. And if I'm looking at
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: all these quarterbacks right now, I feel like I see
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: that go against Jane Daniels for how he kind of
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: developed in the second year when he was on the field,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: and I feel like the lights starting to click for
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams to where if you're looking at a ten
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: year quarterback like dude, he I feel like he's so close.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: So you could talk about his inaccuracies, but the way
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: he continues to sling the rock even when he has
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: a couple bad moments, the way he moves around and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: have it being paired with Ben Johnson, I feel like
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: he's so close to like breaking through and being like
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: that elite quarterback were on why he was drafted first overall. Yeah,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Drake May, I feel like has that again the game's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: kind of slowing down for him and even bow knicks again,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: higher floor everything else. But if I'm chasing that higher
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: ceiling of the quarterbacks were kind of picking from to me,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: go one Drake May, two Caleb Williams than three bow Knicks.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could flip two and three at any point.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: But Ryan had a great breakdown, not like talking about
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: if you're redrafting, but just a great breakdown of like
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: quarterback progression and development over the years and when he
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: felt most confident being on the field that he alluded
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: to it being year five for him.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can make an argument when everything you just said, well,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: I can make the same argument happens the teams that
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: have a quick turnaround. Right you look at Washington, low expectations,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: you hadn't been good in years, New ownership, You get
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: DQ dan Quinn, you draft Jayden, he's the offensive player
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: that you're a game away from the super Bowl. Oh
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: my god, we are ready to compete. Do you always
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: get a good, real honest perspective? Did you win some
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: games you shouldn't have? Was your record better than what
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: you really are? Right? That goes both directions. Some years
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: your record you're actually better than your record. Some years
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: you're not as good as your record. Right, So there's
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of I think it's thrown off. A lot
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: of teams rebuild when they have early success and then
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden in year two they get exposed.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: So I think everything you just said about quarterbacks, you
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: can make the same argument of just overall teams six
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: that you think of the Giants first year day ball,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: they go to the playoffs, they beat what they beat
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Minnesota in Minnesota, huge upset, Coach of the year. Now
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jones is getting paid, Saquon wants to get paid
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: these and all of a sudden, did you push back
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: your rebuild? And if you would have went seven and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: nine and didn't make now I guess seven and ten
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: and you didn't make the playoffs, did you have handled
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: drafts different, would you have handled free agency different? Would
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: you have handled extensions different? But all of a sudden
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: you feel like, oh my god, we're in win now mode.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: You double down on some guys and it doesn't work.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: You just push that rebuild off. So it's a pretty
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: fascinating exercise about early success in a turnaround.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when it's like, did we actually realize that we
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: were just fortunately keeping our head above water throughout the year?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: Now we think we're getting a little too confident in
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: what the reality of the situation is, right, Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. I think I would go Drake May for sure.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: I think i'd go Caleb two, Jaden three, bo Nix.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Fascinating.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: I don't hate that. The only thing that takes me
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: away from Jayden at this point is the injuries.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: And the injuries are real. I do think a change
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: in offensive plan. I'm not saying Kingsbury goes. I'd like
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Kingsbury a lot. I do think there can be a
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: little bit of an evolution into what they're asking Jayden
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: to do. They started doing it with Mariota, granted, different
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: stages of careers and whatnot, but they were starting to
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: do it a little bit better. I actually think that
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: would have served Jane a little bit better. Play action,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: boot game, under center, run game, not being in the
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: gun on every snap more early throw reads the thing
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: about Jayden that's so impressive last year, and then in
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: his small sample size this year, he is incredibly accurate
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: down the field. His downfield passing game, he is exceptional
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: in those moments, and exceptional end of game fourth quarter
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: last year, best passer rating the fourth quarter, best completion percentages,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: I mean everything about end of game last year he
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: was unreal. Hence why they won so many close games.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: I still think I would take Jayden as of right now,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: but you could probably make an argument for me to
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: at least consider flipping him in bow Knicks. But I
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: love Caleb In Ben Johnson's system. It's not always going
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: to be perfect, it's not always going to be in
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: rhythm and time, but that dude is uniquely talented.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine when Caleb Williams actually has like all
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: his you know, techniques and everything figured out, and he's
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: throwing above sixty percent completion percentage, like they're going to
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: be incredible On offense, His is elusivity, able to move around,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: get out of danger, Like I have not seen a
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: quarterback that able to get out of elusiveness, that elusive
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: to get out and make plays down field. It's just
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: it's much so impressive. What's that?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: I don't like chasing completion percentage?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Huh?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Personally, I don't like chasing.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I think it's completion percentage is one thing, but it's
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: another thing when it's multiple games like he's done it.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: He's done it nine times this season and they're eight
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: and one. He was over sixty percent in this past game,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, if you're eight and one when
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: your quarterback's not that productive from getting the ball down
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: field and you just bumped that that number up a
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: little bit, like, dude, it's going to be impressive. And
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: it's just I think it's.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: I think there's like at some point, like a a
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: like a cross section between like average depth of targets
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: and completion percentage, right, because I can make an argument
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: like there's guys that have been seventy five eighty percent
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: completion percentage average depth of targets like three yards, correct,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: that doesn't do a whole lot for me. I just
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: think of today's modern NFL. You your margin for error
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: is so small. You have to be incredible on third downs,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: don't turn the ball over, incredible in the red zone,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: like you just can't. You don't have anything. You can't
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: make any mistakes because you just can't get any yards
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: and chunks. But then I think there's also on the
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: other side where your completion percentage is just so bad
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: that regardless of how far short you're throwing it, your
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: efficiency is just so low. You also can't overcome that.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: So I do think there's like this X Y axis
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: where they eventually like cross each other and you say, okay,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: that's the dream, Like you are throwing it downfield, so
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: we are getting that explosiveness, but there is some element
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: of a and see that we can count on playing
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: and play out. We're not just like hoping in prayer
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: and well maybe it's gonna work, but in between that
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: it's a disaster. You don't want that.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: Either, No, I agree, not not as much in like
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: the completion percentage over overall, Like on PFF, you can
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: go into and see like inaccurate throws like outside of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: the frame, this that the other which is always like
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: fascinating to see all these little new details and wrinkles
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: that they have in the whole database and analytics part
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: of the game on PF. But I'm with you. I
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: think completion rate is hard now if it's really good.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: And again it's like Drake May, he'll have a completion rate.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: He's been throwing it around seventy percent in his like
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: yards per attempt is like what over eight?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, super, he's unique. He's unique because he's doing well. Yeah,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: here's the last thing I'll sam Caleb. Not to beat
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: a dead horse here, but his inaccuracies sometimes throwing on
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: the run, right, those are high level, highly difficult throws.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: How many pass attempts This would be a fun study.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: How many pass attempts has he gotten off that were
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: deemed inaccurate but they came after he avoided a sack.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: So he avoids a sack, runs around and he misses
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: the guy. He misses DJ Moore in the back of
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: the side, you know, the corner of the end zone
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: sideline that goes down as a pass attempt incomplete pass
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: off target onto the next down. Yeah, but what if
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: he instead of being oh for one with with an
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: inaccurate pass he was oh for oh, because he got sacked,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: his completion percentage would be better. And he's doing that
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: at such a high volume of snaps. His ability to
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: escape pressure is incredible. Yeah, So if he tipped more
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: sacks and got less inaccurate throws off on the run,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: hypothetically his completion percentage would go up. The offensive success
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: would go down because he's taking sacks, and would that
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: be better.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right. That's a good point. That's why
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: you're on the show, Greg.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: There's always a balance to all of this stuff, right,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Like I always say about turnovers, Like the ideal turnover
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: number is not zero, Right, I could take a knee
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: and go for sixty five knees in a row, and
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: we didn't turn the ball over, we didn't take any sacks.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: So like there's a little bit of nuance. Again. I
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: don't want a team whose goal is to get to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: get commit zero turnovers. I don't want to fumble, but
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: I don't want my quarterback to fear throwing interceptions.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you're probably not going to be that very good.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: I don't want to throw four, but I certainly don't
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: want to throw if the goal is to throw zero.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: That would scare me a little bit.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, being too risk averse. I know that we
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: got we had a boogey.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, we got a boggy.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you by that. We'll see christ week. We'll
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: see you next week.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, best friend, Merry Christmas.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Voice, Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas. He didn't say what was
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: he ain't come back next week?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: Back?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay. We'll need every button next week.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna grab some nicoteae.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I need a peepe Okay, guys, thank you
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: for tuning in.
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• 1:16:08
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• 1:16:10
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• 1:16:13
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• 1:16:16
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