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Episode Two Hundred Fifteen: Single White Assassin · The Death Of Journalism

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode two hundred and fifteen of the Death
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  Speaker 1: of Journalism podcast. My name is John Zigler. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host on today's show. They finally captured the New York
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  Speaker 1: City Insurance CEO assassin, and the story is even more
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  Speaker 1: bonkers than previously presumed. Daniel Perry gets acquitted in New
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  Speaker 1: York City, and the racemongers have a fit, some very
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  Speaker 1: interesting happenings in Trump World, and the Right seems to
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  Speaker 1: have lost Caitlin Clark, probably for good. One of the
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  Speaker 1: few bad things about doing a podcast in comparison to doing,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, a live radio broadcast, is that I tape
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  Speaker 1: these episodes about almost a full day before you are
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  Speaker 1: likely to hear them. Now normally that doesn't cause too
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  Speaker 1: many problems. I try my best to keep this as
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  Speaker 1: fresh and up to date as possible with late breaking news,
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  Speaker 1: but in some circumstances there's nothing I can do about it,
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  Speaker 1: and our last episode of the podcast was a classic
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  Speaker 1: example of that, where literally as I was taping and
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  Speaker 1: just after I was taping episode two fourteen, there was
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  Speaker 1: major news that broke on two fronts, both out of
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  Speaker 1: New York City or related to New York City, and
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  Speaker 1: probably the biggest story was that they found or captured
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  Speaker 1: the assassin in the insurance company CEO case out of
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  Speaker 1: New York City, and it turns out that that person
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you know by now, is named Luigi Mangioni,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of amazing on its own, but that's
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  Speaker 1: actually just the very tip of the iceberg when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to just.
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  Speaker 2: How crazy this story is.
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  Speaker 1: We talked in the last episode about how women, especially
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  Speaker 1: on social media, were just going gaga over this guy
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  Speaker 1: before they knew anything at all about him. Well, now
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  Speaker 1: that we know quite a bit. In fact, we know
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  Speaker 1: a heck of a lot more interestingly, and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of conspiracy theories have latched onto this reality. We know
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  Speaker 1: a hell of a lot more already about Luigi Mangioni
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  Speaker 1: than we ever did about the attempted assassin of Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump in the same state of Pennsylvania where Luigi Mangioni
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  Speaker 1: was apprehended, and it was Mangioni's apprehension that was another
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  Speaker 1: bizarre part of this whole thing. I'll get to that momentarily,
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  Speaker 1: but basically, this guy's persona is coming from a very
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  Speaker 1: well to do background, went to a prestigious prep school,
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  Speaker 1: was the valedictorian, went to Penn for undergrad and graduate degrees,
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  Speaker 1: so very highly educated, seemingly a nice guy by all accounts.
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  Speaker 1: People that knew him raved about him, although I will
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  Speaker 1: say that one of the holes in the media narrative
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  Speaker 1: in the aftermath of his apprehension has been Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: all these people are now coming forward saying that they
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  Speaker 1: knew him, and he had a rather large family, is often.
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  Speaker 2: The case in Italian households.
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  Speaker 1: So then why did nobody, as far as we know,
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  Speaker 1: come forward to identify him to the police.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's possible that that happened, but there's no indication
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  Speaker 2: that it did as of this taping.
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  Speaker 1: And I find that very interesting because, you know, how
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  Speaker 1: in the world did somebody from McDonald's. And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: suggesting this didn't happen. I absolutely believe this happened, but
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  Speaker 1: it's it's just remarkable that somebody at McDonald's, both a
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  Speaker 1: customer and an employee, were able to recognize Luigi Mangioni
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  Speaker 1: from pictures of him mostly wearing a mask, or one
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  Speaker 1: picture of him, you know, not even a great head
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  Speaker 1: on photo of him without him wearing a mask. How
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  Speaker 1: in the world were they able to identify him in
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  Speaker 1: person at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania, when all the
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  Speaker 1: people that have known him, all his family members, all
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  Speaker 1: the people he went to school with, I mean, all
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  Speaker 1: the people this person has interacted with. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: he's changed his appearance. He's only twenty six years old.
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  Speaker 1: So why did none of these people come forward? How
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  Speaker 1: is that possible? It's one of the many questions I
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  Speaker 1: have about this, And again I'm not implying any sort
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  Speaker 1: of anything the fairy is going on, other than there
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  Speaker 1: had to be people who knew that that was Luigi
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  Speaker 1: Mangioni and just shut the hell up and never said anything,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of amazing and remarkable, but also consistent
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  Speaker 1: with the general public reaction to this situation where Mangioni
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  Speaker 1: is getting all sorts of support where he shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: getting it, especially from the young sea single female community.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, it's obvious that his motivation, as everyone presumed,
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  Speaker 1: dealt with hatred of the insurance companies. There's been speculation
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  Speaker 1: about this back injury that he's had that has been
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  Speaker 1: very debilitating to him, that that may have been a
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  Speaker 1: root cause for his anger at the insurance companies in general,
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  Speaker 1: and why he ended up assassinating insurance CEO and then
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  Speaker 1: had the words delay, deny, and defend on the shell casings.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Difficult to figure this out as to what his motivation was.
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  Speaker 1: He was apprehended, as I've already said, in a McDonald's
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  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. And by the way, isn't an amazing that
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  Speaker 1: you know a McDonald's in Pennsylvania has now played a
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  Speaker 1: major role in two huge news stories in just the
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  Speaker 1: last basically two months, one where Donald Trump may have
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  Speaker 1: won the presidential election because of a stunt he pulled
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  Speaker 1: out a McDonald's in Bucks County, and then not all
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  Speaker 1: that far away in Altoona, Pennsylvania, we have Luigi Mangione
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  Speaker 1: being apprehended, Oh, by the way, being arrested. I do
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  Speaker 1: not make this up, being arrested in a McDonald's. Boy
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  Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Officer Fry.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Officer Fry.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently he was there searching for the hamburglar instead arrested
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  Speaker 1: Luig SCHIMANZIONI he just cannot make this stuff up. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, one of the many indications that we've completely
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  Speaker 1: lost our goddamn mind in this society is that that
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  Speaker 1: McDonald's has been hit with a wave of one star
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  Speaker 1: reviews online because people are upset that they gave up
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  Speaker 1: this assassin that has a massive fan club. Now I
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  Speaker 1: cannot believe I'm even saying this, but this is absolutely true.
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  Speaker 1: People are so upset at the McDonald's for pointing out
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  Speaker 1: to the police and calling the police on an assassin,
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  Speaker 1: a guy who's on vidio.
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  Speaker 2: Killing an innocent man in cold blood. Again, you cannot
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  Speaker 2: make this up, but this is true.
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  Speaker 1: This is actually happening, and that's just one data point
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to how much we have lost our
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  Speaker 1: goddamn minds.
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned the fan club.
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  Speaker 1: In the couple of days since Luigi Mangioni was named
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  Speaker 1: and apprehended as the assassin in this case. His Twitter
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  Speaker 1: feed is x feed, which had I think like sixty
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  Speaker 1: four followers before this news broke, now has about four
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand followers. Four hundred thousand followers. Boy, it would
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  Speaker 1: be fascinating to get a demographic breakdown on who these
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  Speaker 1: followers are. My guess is you're going to have a
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  Speaker 1: very very high percentage of young, single females and probably
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  Speaker 1: a lot of gay men. There is some speculation that
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  Speaker 1: he may be gay. By the way, one of the
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  Speaker 1: things we have not heard anything about as a girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: There could be a lot of different reasons for that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what they are. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: the explanation is, but I do find that amazing considering
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  Speaker 1: the amount of tension on this case. What a heart
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  Speaker 1: throb Manngioni is being treated as It's possible he's had
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  Speaker 1: girlfriends that are afraid to come forward. But you would
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  Speaker 1: think one of his girlfriends, if he had a slew
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  Speaker 1: of girlfriends, would come forward just for the massive amount
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  Speaker 1: attention that they would get. Oh, by the way, in
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  Speaker 1: the social media age, how is it there not been
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  Speaker 1: any evidence of a girlfriend A picture online of him
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  Speaker 1: with a female that people would have jumped all over.
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  Speaker 1: To my knowledge, none of that has happened. There's a
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  Speaker 1: couple of possible explanations for that. Maybe he's gay, who knows,
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  Speaker 1: But there's no question that both young single females and
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  Speaker 1: gay men are very attracted to this guy, and it
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  Speaker 1: has absolutely distorted people's minds. I mean, there's a combination
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  Speaker 1: here of the fact that he assassinated an unsympathetic person
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  Speaker 1: because we hate insurance companies. In the last episode, I
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  Speaker 1: went through why that's not all the insurance company's fault,
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  Speaker 1: having mostly to do with liberal judges and liberal juries
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  Speaker 1: giving away insane judgments in civil trials which have really
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  Speaker 1: created enormous amounts of pressure on the business model of
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  Speaker 1: insurance companies. So we really have ourselves to blame for
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  Speaker 1: why the insurance companies are screwing us, because we have
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  Speaker 1: been screwing them through our judicial system, because we have
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  Speaker 1: this bizarre pathological need to blame somebody whenever something goes wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and we don't think that money is real anymore. We
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  Speaker 1: think it just grows on trees in these crazy jury verdicts,
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  Speaker 1: and that has a cost. And the cost is that
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  Speaker 1: the insurance companies, in order to make a profit, have
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  Speaker 1: to screw us even more than they were. And that's
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  Speaker 1: a very complex series of circumstances. But you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not somebody who automatically looks at the insurance companies as
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  Speaker 1: being any more evil than any other corporation that we've
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  Speaker 1: just put them under greater strain because of this very
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  Speaker 1: bizarre set of circumstances where we've left the gravitational pull
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  Speaker 1: of the rational earth when it comes to these jury verdicts.
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  Speaker 1: But back to Mangioni, so you know he's got these
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  Speaker 1: four hundred thousand Twitter followers.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, a book with the title.
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  Speaker 1: Delay, Deny and Defend has skyrocketed up the best seller list.
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  Speaker 1: It was at number two at last check, a book
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  Speaker 1: no one's ever even heard of, all because he put
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  Speaker 1: the words delay, deny, and defend on the shellcasings of
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  Speaker 1: the bullets that he used to kill this insurance ceo, And.
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  Speaker 2: You know that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And then online this is something I referenced before we
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  Speaker 1: even knew who it was. But I'm going to play
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  Speaker 1: an example of this, and this is not an isolated example.
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  Speaker 1: You could find probably hundreds of these if you looked
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  Speaker 1: for yourself. But this is one that I just happened
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  Speaker 1: to stumble across as I was bruising through TikTok, as
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  Speaker 1: I often do.
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  Speaker 2: Here is a.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty good example of just how crazy women have gone
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  Speaker 1: for Luigi Mangioni, especially once they found out more about
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  Speaker 1: his profile and his background and got better pictures of him,
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  Speaker 1: including one with him having ripped abs, which are going
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  Speaker 1: to get to in a moment because that ended up
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  Speaker 1: facilitating a bizarre moment on CNN. But here is a
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  Speaker 1: TikTok video from an unnamed female. But she's very attractive,
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  Speaker 1: very well put together, seemingly classy, seemingly educated, articulate, And
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  Speaker 1: here she is, really without even a tongue in cheek,
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  Speaker 1: in public with a video entitled free Luigi, explaining why
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  Speaker 1: she's so enamored with this guy who she knows killed
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  Speaker 1: an innocent person in cold blood.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so they've arrested our hot co assassin. Turns out
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  Speaker 3: his name's Luigi. He's twenty six years old. He's an
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  Speaker 3: Ivy League grad, did his undergrad and masters at Penn
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  Speaker 3: in computer science snape type. He's a little young for me,
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  Speaker 3: but ugh, baby, what is you doing getting caught eating
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  Speaker 3: at McDonald's and curse you McDonald's employee for turning him in.
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  Speaker 3: But I get it. They upped the reward to sixty thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you needed that money. They never understood those crazy
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  Speaker 3: women that wrote inmates in jail, but I guess you
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  Speaker 3: always loved doing that.
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  Speaker 1: And folks, I cannot emphasize enough how that insaneanity is
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  Speaker 1: not isolated. I'm somebody who normally tries to blow off
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  Speaker 1: what we see on social media as not real life.
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  Speaker 1: But in this particular case, I think that there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of reality to this. I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of this going on, and the evidence has already said
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  Speaker 1: the four hundred thousand Twitter followers the book Delay, Deny
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  Speaker 1: and Defend, skyrocketing to the top of the bestseller list,
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of videos and postings, mostly of young single
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  Speaker 1: women supporting this guy. Another interesting indication of how this person,
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  Speaker 1: this assassin has been put on a pedestal and mythologized
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  Speaker 1: comes from the fact that he did write a manifesto.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a pretty good chance, especially if you're somebody
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  Speaker 1: who consumes a lot of social media, that you did
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  Speaker 1: not read his actual manifesto because there was a fake
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  Speaker 1: manifesto that went viral. His real manifesto probably hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: read as much because it's not merely as interesting or
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  Speaker 1: as compelling, or as in keeping with the mythological perception
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  Speaker 1: that has been created about Luigi Mangione. A previous guest
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  Speaker 1: on this podcast, Steve Krakauer, who is also the executive
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  Speaker 1: producer of The Megan Kelly Show, he put it best
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  Speaker 1: when he tweeted out both versions of the manifesto, and
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  Speaker 1: he described them in this way.
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  Speaker 2: The difference between the fake Luigi.
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  Speaker 1: Manifesto that went viral and the real one is the
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  Speaker 1: perfect encapsulation for the moment. The fake one is a
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  Speaker 1: deeply personally personal and well studied treatise on the quote
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  Speaker 1: allopathic complex unquote, and the real one is some psychotic
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  Speaker 1: dope who googled some.
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  Speaker 2: That is really well set.
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  Speaker 1: And I urge you to go find for yourself the
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  Speaker 1: actual manifesto because it does not fit with the mythologized persona,
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  Speaker 1: this elevated figure, this this genius, this you know, warrior
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  Speaker 1: for truth and justice. This that has been created around
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  Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni by his fans. The real manifesto is not
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  Speaker 1: impressive at all. But there's such a thirst, there's such
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  Speaker 1: a market for anything that substantiates the view of Mangioni
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  Speaker 1: that his fan base wants. I can't even believe I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying this, but this is absolutely true. There's such a
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  Speaker 1: market that someone created a fake manifesto and it went
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  Speaker 1: viral because it fit what people wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: Believe about this guy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's somehow still a sex symbol to apparently
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  Speaker 1: millions of women and as I said, maybe gay men.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the few photos we have of him
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  Speaker 1: post arrest, he apparently pissed himself. He beat his pants,
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  Speaker 1: appears as if based upon the photo. It's just this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing is just so unbelievably crazy, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's all sorts of conspiracy theories. Now his fans don't
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  Speaker 1: even want to believe that that's him. How could this
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  Speaker 1: be the same guy? After all, he pulled this off
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  Speaker 1: in such a genius fashion. How could a genius like this,
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  Speaker 1: who was so educated and so proficient, how could just
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  Speaker 1: a few days later he'd be so sloppy as to
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  Speaker 1: get recognized and arrested, cowering in fear out of al
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  Speaker 1: Tuona McDonald's This doesn't fit. It just doesn't fit with
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  Speaker 1: the persona that they've created about this guy. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: probably the only person that I've guarantee I'm the only
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  Speaker 1: person in America that made this connection from people who
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  Speaker 1: were mystified as to how Mangione could appear to be
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  Speaker 1: so proficient in the initial assassination and then just a
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  Speaker 1: few days make such a boneheaded move as to be
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  Speaker 1: apprehended in a McDonald's. I'm the only person in the
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  Speaker 1: planet that thought, this is exactly why people aren't getting
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  Speaker 1: why Alabama belongs in the college football playoff.
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  Speaker 2: And you're probably thinking, it's like, what the fuck are
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  Speaker 2: you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Because to me, if you, if you're a Mangoni fan,
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  Speaker 1: the Alabama beating Georgia is the assassination, and then a
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  Speaker 1: week later they lose at Vanderbilt because you're eventually going
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  Speaker 1: to make mistakes when you're under that kind of pressure
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  Speaker 1: and you get that high and you're on in his
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  Speaker 1: kids situation, you're on the lamb and you've never done
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  Speaker 1: this before, and you're you're really not a professional like
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  Speaker 1: everyone thought that you were, and eventually you're gonna make
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  Speaker 1: a mistake because you can't keep that level performance up
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  Speaker 1: for day after day when the whole world is looking
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  Speaker 1: for you except for your family members and people have
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  Speaker 1: known you all your life, when they're not apparently telling
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  Speaker 1: the police, hey, I think I know that guy. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that just mind blowing to me. I would love
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  Speaker 1: to know if the police ever got anybody who said
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  Speaker 1: I think that that is Luigi Mangioni, because I've already
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  Speaker 1: mentioned it, but I think it bears repeating, how in
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  Speaker 1: the world could people who have never met this person
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  Speaker 1: before in a McDonald's where he's wearing a mask. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, that is another element of this story. I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned this in the last episode that I find fascinating
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  Speaker 1: and maybe, just maybe the mask thing gave him away
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  Speaker 1: in Altoona, Pennsylvania, not in New York City where there's
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  Speaker 1: still a bunch of idiot liberals still wearing masks.
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  Speaker 2: My guess is not too many people are.
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  Speaker 1: Wearing masks in the Altoona McDonald's in December of twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four. He was wearing a mask, apparently took it
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  Speaker 1: off at some point to eat, and that may have
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  Speaker 1: been why he was identified. I had this pure speculation
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  Speaker 1: on my part, but that's pretty informed speculation. It makes
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  Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And so the mask element of
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  Speaker 1: this is one of the other holes in this narrative.
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  Speaker 1: The media is not mentioned, of course, the use of
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  Speaker 1: the mask at all, and how it is that he
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  Speaker 1: was able to get away with this crime initially because
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  Speaker 1: he was wearing what appears to have been a COVID mask,
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  Speaker 1: which in New York City unfortunately does not give you away.
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  Speaker 1: In December twenty twenty four as somebody who's up to
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  Speaker 1: no good, but that might be more likely in Altumona,
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania in a McDonald's just my speculation, but I think
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  Speaker 1: that that's pretty decent speculation. Now, I mentioned that this
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  Speaker 1: obsession that young single women seem to have with Luigi
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  Speaker 1: Mangioni made it into the mainstream news. Now I understand
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  Speaker 1: that this is a very fine line, all right. I
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  Speaker 1: have no problem with in this case, CNN doing essentially
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  Speaker 1: what I'm doing, which is mentioning that there's this phenomenon
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  Speaker 1: out there, and in my case, I'm condemning it and
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  Speaker 1: trying to understand it, trying to explain it and seeing
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  Speaker 1: what implications that has for our society, and maybe even
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  Speaker 1: as I'll do in a moment, how this case is
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  Speaker 1: all going to turn out. I have no problem with
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  Speaker 1: CNN doing that. But in my opinion, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty obvious the clip that you're about to hear is
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  Speaker 1: a situation that goes way way beyond just hey, there's
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  Speaker 1: a weird phenomenon going on here. That's troubling that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of women or people, gay, men, whatever, are very
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  Speaker 1: enamored with Luigi Mangioni. Because of the fact that he
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  Speaker 1: is a good looking guy and he's got ripped abs,
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  Speaker 1: and he seems charming, and he's got an interesting background
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  Speaker 1: and seems smart and all that they've created this persona
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: about him.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: But that's not where CNN stopped. In this clip.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: You're gonna hear a female commentator on set talk about
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: basically what I've been discussing. But then they go over
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the line when Casey Hunt, the anchor person actually asks
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the control room to drop the banner, in other words,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the type at the bottom of the screen, because the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: banner was blocking the ripped abs of Luigi Mangione in
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: a photograph of him I think in Hawaii. How long
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: ago that was taken, I don't know, but you know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: it's at least within the last couple of years, it
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: seems like.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: And here's what that sounded like on CNN.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Where two women are effectively going so gaga over this
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: known assassin that they need to have the director dropped
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the banner so we can see his ripped abs.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Really, there's also just the reaction online is also just
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: such a reinforcement of how much uh aesthetics attractiveness, I mean,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: like the shallowness of the American people, the American people
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: who are online, we'll say, is very much on display here.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Part of yes, there's absolutely a bubbling anger about the
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: inequity in the country writ large and in the healthcare system,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: no question, But so much of you know, the clips
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: we were watching at the top of this segment are
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: driven by the fact that this is this is an attractive.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: You know, we've got to drop the banner, and it's
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: it is.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Deeply troubling that we are celebrating this, this person who's
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: committed cold blooded murder because you know, he clearly went
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: to the gym.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Now, I would like you to consider, ladies and gentlemen,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: what would happen to two, in this case, white males,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: because these were two white women, two white males who
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: were heterosexual. Whoever did anything close to this about a
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: female suspect in a murder investigation. Now, of course, you know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: if there was a hot it would be very very,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: very very unusual for a hot female who has bikini
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: pictures online to be committing a murder. But we're living
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: in a strange world, so I guess you know, it's
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: theoretically possible. But if that ever happened, and you had
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a male anchor directing the control room to drop the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: banner so we.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Could see her bikini bottoms.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: They would be taking off the set in handcuffs immediately.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, the double standard here is off the charts.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: That's one element of this story that I think is relevant.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: The other is this phenomenon is real. This is a
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: real thing, and I mean, you know, and the governor
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: of New York, Governor hokel had to condemn basically people
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: for supporting this guy. And there have been some pushback.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: There's been some pushback against this, and some in the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: media have expressed similar views to mine, but not everybody.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And that really came to fruition when Taylor Lorenz, a
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: former Washington Post columnist, I mean, this is a person
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: who was just let go of the Washington Post, super liberal.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: By the way, an interesting connection in some ways to
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the Luigi Mangione story is that, like MANGIONI wearing a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: COVID mask to help protect him in this situation and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: maybe in that McDonald's, as I've already speculated, causing him
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to eventually be recognized and apprehended. Lorenz has been a
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: huge proponent of the mask, including just a couple of
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, she referenced going without a mask.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: As raw dogging the air. Raw dogging the air.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: That's a quote from Taylor Lorenz, former Washington Post columnist.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: She went on Piers Morgan's show and and basically just
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: said she felt joy Now, she tried to correct herself,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: but she felt joy over this assassination. And Piers Morgan
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: was flummixed and outraged. And here's what that sounded like.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: Okay, don't say I'm joyful. I said, I.
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: Said you would, You said you were feeding joyful.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I take that back. Joyful is the wrong word, Piers,
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: I said as I.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you think is the wrong wood.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, indicated celebratory, because again, it feels like justice in
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: this system when somebody responsible for the deaths of tens
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: of thousands of Americans suffers the same fate as those
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: tens of thousands of Americans.
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, but there's just no justification for being the
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: laughing your way through a segment.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Like this talking about how joyfully you were that this happened.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Is that I'm not joyful that I.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Heard you. You said it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: You may want to, you may have recanted it, but you.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Know, unfortunately, verifying it.
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: Fortunately, as you know, as you know, this show keeps receipts.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: We all know what we saw, we heard.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: I'm just I'm not denying that. I'm said it, said it,
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: but I'm denying that your interpretation of it, which is
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: an insane I know what joyful means.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: It fills you with joy.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: I'm joyful that people are paying attention to.
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: You, joyful that he got murdered. That's what you said.
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: Then you realize, then you realize what you said.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, and I'm clarifying it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: That's going to make things even worse for me. Mark.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Let me bring you in just things.
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: Things are great for me because again I am on
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: the side of the rest of America, which believes that
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: this more profit helpless.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Actually you're not.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: Actually, because most Americans do not think they felt joy
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: in that moment.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: It's you, no, because again I didn't feel joy.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: In that moment.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I felt joy.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: Pay attention to this issue.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: You to me again, I tell you just to do
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: you want me to play it again.
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: To remind me mis representing my views?
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: You mean to remind you what you said?
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: I said all I want, but again you are misrepresenting
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: my things.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I am telling you how social media will remind you later.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. Mark again, yours to your other panelists,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Please Mark.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: Well, stop miss quoting me.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: No I quoted you directly.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: You then recant, then stop, then.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: Stop misrepresenting my views and my feelings.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: You feel joyful, then you wish you hadn't said.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I quoted you directly.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Again, you are misrepresenting.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Let's now.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Lorenz has received an awful lot of rightfully critics for
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: her statement there, and I think her career is probably
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: over in the mainstream. It should have been over a
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: long time ago. This woman is a moron. Her views
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: on masks alone should have been in a rational world,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: disqualifying for her to ever have had a position like
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: columnist at the Washington Post. So I think she has
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: finally been fully exposed. I think this was her jump
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the shark moment into perpetuity. But I do think it's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: important to point out that's how broken the mainstream news
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: media is that someone like Taylor Lorenz, who is that broken,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that dumb, and is willing to say publicly that she
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: felt joy over the assassination of an innocent person and
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: do so in a television interview with Piers Morgan, that
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: person somehow got the position of calumnist at the Washington Post.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, holy crap, that's not the death of journalism.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know what is.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, that person should never ever have gotten into
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that position. And so I guess thankfully she's now been
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: fully exposed, and I'm hopeful that we no longer have
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: to worry about Taylor Lorenz other than as an example
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: of just how completely screwed in the mind a lot
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of liberals are and how oftentimes wokeness is a mental disorder.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Taylor Lorenz basically proves that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: So we have this incredibly strange, but I guess typical
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: situation of the very bizarre world in which we're now living,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: where this guy who is clearly guilty, by the way,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: for those that they're claiming it's not really him, the
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: police are announcing that his fingerprints match fingerprints found at
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the crime scene. I'm sure there'll be some bizarre way
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: that his fans will rationalize that.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: But this is the guy.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: It's he's on camera shooting somebody in cold blood. This
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: should be in a remotely rational world and open and shutcase,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: he should be put away in prison for the rest
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: of his life.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: But I'm not convinced that that's going to happen. Now.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I realize that I'm a pessimist by nature, and you know,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I had been pessimistic about what was going to happen
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to Daniel Penny, which we're going to get to momentarily,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and I thankfully turned out to be wrong about that.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: But I am very, very concerned about whether or not
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: there's ever actually going to be a murder one conviction
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: in this case, because there's not been a confession. We've
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: already seen Mangioni with a you know, screaming at the
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: cameras very defiantly. We've seen his defense attorney say he
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: see no evidence that his client is guilty and has
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: said that he's going to plead not guilty, and so
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: it's not going to be a plea bargain situation in
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: all likelihood. Now it's possible that as we go along here,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: if the prosecution realizes what I'm fearing, that the jury
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: pool here is not going to be to their liking,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: maybe they would offer him some sort of of a
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: plea bargain, you know, rationalizing that he was out of
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: his mind or he somehow the insanity defense or whatever.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, if you're concerned that
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: you might not get a conviction, I can see that
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the prosecution could theoretically offer some sort of a plea bargain.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: But I can also see a scenario where the prosecution says, no, way,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: no how, we can't possibly plea bargain a case where
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: there's video of someone killing an innocent person in cold blood,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: which I can fully appreciate and support. If they go
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to trial, how in the world in New York City
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: are you going to be able to keep you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: even one or two of these nut jobs off the jury,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: one of these fan club members. I mean, the defense
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: is gonna know exactly who their target demographic is, and
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: keeping everybody from that demographic off the jury, I think
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: is gonna be exceedingly difficult. And you know, and a
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: fan of Mangione isn't gonna make it clear that they're
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: a fan of Mangione. Now, maybe social media will make
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: it more difficult for them to hide it, but there's
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: gonna be a significant portion of the New York City
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: population that would be the pool from which this jury
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: was drawn that's gonna have a lot of sympathy for
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni, and maybe even more than sympathy, maybe some
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: lust for Luigi Mangoni.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And so this is gonna be a problem.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I will be pleasantly surprised if they're able to get
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: a dead life singe unanimous guilty jury verdict for first
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: degree murder in this case, it's you know, it should.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Be a no brainer.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: This is open and shut as it gets. We've got
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: it on video, but I don't think we're headed for that.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And here's the other thing.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: You know, this is a little bit like OJ, where
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: everybody knew OJ was guilty, but the news media also
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: understood they had a massive hit on their hands.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Now this isn't going to be OJ.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: This is going to die down unlike OJ, unless we
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: find out that Mangioni was dating a series of very
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: hot women and or there has to be something else
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: involved in the here to get people's interest to be
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: able to maintain itself in this short attention span era
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: in which we now live. But I'm comparing it to OJ.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And from the standpoint of the media knows they got
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to hit here, they have a hit. Luigi Mangioni is
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: now known by everybody. They don't have to explain the story.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: People are investing in it. He has a fan base,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: so they're gonna be invested. The media is in the
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: idea that somehow there's something to be decided here, that
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: this is a legitimate trial, and therefore, because it's a
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: legitimate trial.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: We need to keep covering it. The reason they're going
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to keep covering.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: It is not because it's a legitimate question as to
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: whether or not he's guilty, but because they know there's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: a built in audience for it. So I think we're
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: going to see way outsized coverage for what should be
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: an open and shut case, and that coverage inevitably gives
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the defense oxygen. When the media cares about a case,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and not to pretend that there's some ambiguity about what
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: really happened, that gives the defense oxygen in all sorts
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: of ways, Like, for instance, it's a hell of a
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: lot easier to hire experts on your side with great
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: reputations that are normally incredibly expensive.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: If they know they're going to be part of a very.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: High profile case and get a lot of media attention
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: and get the love of Mangione's fan base. So that's
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: just one of many examples where this has a major,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: usually deletorious impact on justice and getting a proper verdict
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: in a criminal case. So I am I am very
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: concerned that this may not turn out to be a
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: conviction for a first degree murder. Obviously, it's going to
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: take a long time before we know the answer to that.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: There are some people who have speculated, as I have,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that you know, the authorities should try to figure out
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: some way to make this a federal case so you
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: don't have it be a local New York City case.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's even theoretically possible or or likely,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: but I would not be you know, this is again
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: going back to OJ. To me, this feels a lot
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: like going up against an LA jury to try to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: put OJ Simpson on trial for killing two white people.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: And now there's no racial element to this.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: But I'm just talking about the politics and the fact
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: that there was essentially jury nullification in the OJ case.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And I don't think you're going to be able to
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: get I do not, even I am not pessimistic enough
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to believe you're gonna get jury nullification to the point
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: where he gets acquitted.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that. I just believe that it's going
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to be very, very.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Difficult to find twelve jurors in New York City where
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: you don't have two or three people who both hate
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the insurance industry to an extreme degree and have empathy
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: for sympathy with Luigi Mangioni, or maybe even less for
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni, that they don't end up.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Creating a hung jury situation.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: That would be the scenario that would concern me the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: most if I was a prosecutor. Now that being said,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: in New York City, there was some hope that justice
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: can prevail even in New York City, because Daniel Penny
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: was acquitted in the case where he had been accused
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: first of manslaughter then aggravated assault once the manslaughter charges
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: were dropped, and it seemed like the judge was doing
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: everything that they could to try to convince the jury
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to convict Daniel Penny, a white male former marine, of
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: having caused the death of a black man on a
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: New York City subway. And like almost every other conservative,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I have been on Daniel Penny's side. From what I've
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: seen of the videos and what I've read about the testimony,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: it seems very clear that Penny was far more of
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: a hero than he was a killer, and there was
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: even ambiguity as to whether or not he actually caused
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the death of the black man on the New York
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: City subway. The jury in this particular case had four
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: minority members, and I think they should be applauded. They
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: clearly took their time. They were deliberating for several days.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: It looked like they were hung. As I said, they
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: they dropped the most significant charge because there was no
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: way that the jury could come to a conclusion on that,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: and I, like some others, were very concerned that this
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: would mean that Penny would eventually be convicted of a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: minor charge, but one that would still cause a lot
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: of havoc in his life and also make him very
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: vulnerable to civil lawsuits which had been brought against him
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: by the family who had disowned the black man who
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: had died, but now see money as a possible motive,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and so they're jumping on the bandwagon to try to
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: get something out of this for themselves, which is disgusting. Well,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: it turns out that Daniel Penny was acquitted, and fears
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: as if justice has been done I'm hopeful that there
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: will be no verdict against him in a civil trial,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: but that's yet to be seen.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: And Daniel Penny did an.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Interview kind of weirdly in my view, with Janine Piro,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: who I consider it to be mostly a whack jump
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: on Fox News Channel, but you know she is a
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: former prosecutor, so I guess in some ways it makes
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: some sense. Penny did an interview with Piro on Fox
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: News Channel and much to his credit, gave I thought,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a very credible statement about how he has no regrets
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: over what he did. He could not have lived with
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: himself if he hadn't done what he did, and because
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: he thought he was trying to help people. He thought
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: that this was a situation where others were in danger
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: and he was trying to eliminate that danger. And here's
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: what it sounded like when Daniel Penny went on Fox
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: News Channel.
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: The guilt I would have felt if someone did get hurt,
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: if he did do what he was threatening to do,
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: would never be able to live with myself. And I'll take.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: A million court appearances and.
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: People calling me names and people hating me just to
• 40:02
  Speaker 9: keep one of those people from getting hurt or.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Killed Now, that to me is perfectly rational.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: That is consistent with the idea that Penny is actually far, far,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: far more of a hero than he is a perpetrator
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: of some sort of a crime. It's absolutely justice that
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: he was not convicted of anything criminally. As I said
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: have already, I'm still concerned about what might happen civilly,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: especially when the verdict has been used by the remnants
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: of Black Lives Matter to try to drum up some
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: racism here.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: You know, we've seen time and time and time again
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: that the supply of actual racism in this country does
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: not come anywhere close to meeting the demand for racism
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that the racemongers and the news media have for racism,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: which is oftentimes why we see fabricated ccumstances or charges
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: of racism where they don't actually exist.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about many stories that fit into
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: this category, and I think this is one of them.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: There's no evidence that there is actual racism at play here,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and that didn't stop the Black Lives Matter people from
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: trying to make this into George Floyd two point zero.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: But they have not succeeded, and they've not succeeded. I
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: think because the fact pattern is different, and I also
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: think because maybe we're becoming a little bit wiser, and
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: maybe even the news media isn't as willing to go
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: for this narrative as they were during the Panic of
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, not just the COVID panic, but the George
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Floyd panic. And we saw all that happened in the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: aftermath of that, with the riots and the marches and
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: everything else. Nothing like that has transpired. Although those who.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Are part of the Black Lives Matter group did their best.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: To try to spark that kind of reaction, they just
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: didn't get it because the kindling Wood was wet. I
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: guess the circumstances here just did not allow it to happen.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: And there was an interesting moment. I'm not going to
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: play some of the crazy things that Black Lives Matter
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: members said in their effort to try to incite some
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: sort of backlash, some sort of protest and or riot
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: in reaction to the Daniel Penny acquittal, but I do
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: want to play a fairly extended clip of something that
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: happened on News Nation Television on Dan Abrams show. You're
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: probably aware that I appear fairly regularly on Dan Abrams show,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: and I used to work for Dan as a senior
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: columnist at Mediaite. He had on his program in studio
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a woman by the name of Shavona Newsom, who is
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: one of the founders of Black Lives Matter in New
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: York City. And this was a really remarkable exchange. And
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I give Dan a lot of credit for how he
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: handled this because obviously he's a white guy, and you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: trying for a white guy in the mainstream news media
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: to say that there is no racism in a situation
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: where a black female is claiming racism, it shouldn't require
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of courage, but it does in this media age,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: and that's essentially what Dan did. Now, just before this clip,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Dan points out that there are there were four minority
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: members on this jury, and the woman he's interviewing named Newsome.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: She tries to make the claim with which Dan isn't buying,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: that there were black women that were kicked off of
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: the jury or prevented from being on the jury because
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: of their hair style, and then turns out that there
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: may have been one person who had purple hair and
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: someone objected to that person for having purple hair, and
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: of course, Newsom presumes racism there. I don't know of
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: any black person that ever actually has purple hair, so
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how that makes any sense. But
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: for the context of the clip I'm playing for you,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you know, that's how this all begins. And Dan's making
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the argument that this was not an inherently racist verdict.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: In fact, it's exactly the opposite that if it wasn't
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: for the fact that Penny was white and the person
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: who died was black, that this was a situation where
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: charges probably wouldn't have even been brought. And here was
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: the very interesting debate between Dan Abrams and Shavonah Newsom
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: from Black Lives Matter.
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: Right, Daniel Penny took the great money of people who
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: hate black people to pay her.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: So it had to have been raised, right, It's not possible.
• 44:43
  Speaker 10: Here here's my theory on this, NUM and it's actually
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: a reverse race thing, which I think you're going to
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: really disagree with.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what.
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: I don't think this case would have been charged if
• 44:51
  Speaker 10: it had been a white victim and a white person
• 44:55
  Speaker 10: who had told him held him in a chokele.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: I don't even think that he charges them.
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: I think it actually would and actually think that you
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: would be calling Daniel Penny a murderer. Have you heard
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: of Nathaniel Terry, a twenty seven year old black man.
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: He was an absolute monster in twenty twenty one he
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: killed the unidentified to the state homeless man and the
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: Project staircase. Did you see bom come out for that
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: type of monster? Grant our credibility? When do we come
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: out for cases that are not racially charged, would normally
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: be ignored?
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: Why is this a race case? Did Daniel Penny say
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: anything racist when it happens?
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: What is the labeling in the stereotypes? Daniel Penny when
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: he lied during intelligate interrogations which no one is showing.
• 45:30
  Speaker 10: Answered my question when was the race? When did he
• 45:33
  Speaker 10: bring race into this?
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: A crackhead and he said he was doing crackhead things.
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: The problem is Daniel Penny showed no remorse for nothing
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: he did, and that dishonors the real service people of
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: this country, the real remat the real marines who don't lie,
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: who care for others and who do no harm.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: So do you not blame Jordan and Neili at all?
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: I mean for what he did?
• 45:52
  Speaker 10: He deserves no blame from your perspective, right.
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: Did you hear the witness testimony? I'm jerry picking the ones.
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: I'm asking a question. Do you blame Jordan at all
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: for his conduct?
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: If Jordanilly was a white man, we'd be saying it
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: was an opioid crisis. He was hungry, he was mentally ill,
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: he had a muffin in.
• 46:09
  Speaker 10: I wouldn't be if there were other What about the
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: what about the witnesses?
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Let's play again. Just we're clear on the race.
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: Eddie Gibson who begged Nelly to stop again.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: But he stayed there, and he stayed there throughout the Incidentally, the.
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: Ones that the one's the fit the narrative.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: But what's the narrative?
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: There's black women who were on the subway. It was
• 46:25
  Speaker 10: mostly people subway.
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: What about what a white man during jury, during cross
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: examination who said that he was afraid of dan Ne
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: Nenny nearly Dan new Penny, the one who poured water
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: onto his head and said that he was afraid he
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: was a white man. Okay, so what about the Latino
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: man who was holding his arms.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: I'm not the one identifying everyone by race. You are.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: I'm the one who keeps toughing. Why why do you
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: have to do There's nothing the s.
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: C I when you look at when hate crimes happen,
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: when you look at when injustice happened to black people.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: But let's let's just let's agree to some Look. I
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: am one.
• 46:55
  Speaker 10: I'm going to be doing a segment later this week
• 46:57
  Speaker 10: on a missing black woman who has not been getting
• 46:59
  Speaker 10: nearly another POTENSI and to me, not no, but by
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: the media, because I understand that and to that degree,
• 47:05
  Speaker 10: you have a fair point about the way sometimes the
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: media and the justice system handles.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: But not in this case.
• 47:11
  Speaker 10: This case, even the prosecutors conceded Daniel Penny had every
• 47:16
  Speaker 10: right to go hands on, and the question became, okay,
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: when should he have stopped?
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: I understand that.
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: Time frame on that right from the eight from the
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: DA's office was after thirty seconds. Can you not concede
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: that Daniel Penny was a train killer? Did he not
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: have his great belt?
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: Marie?
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: The United States Marine Corps in assass Sure.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: But he knew let me.
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: Every marine, let me let me because actually black Marines
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: and white Marines have reached out and actually told us
• 47:40
  Speaker 8: he went too far. When you going to let me
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: break it down a choke hooal a blood choke hole,
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: which he did. You're only supposed to hold someone in
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: that move for eight to thirteen seconds. You're not supposed
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: to do it longer than two minutes. Why did Daniel
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: Penny when the train was completely clear, everyone was on
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: the platform, Why did he hold it from you?
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Because he was scared?
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: He was a marine, is scared of a crack of
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: someone he labeled with a crack egg.
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: Yes, Is it not possible that Daniel Penny, when he's
• 48:07
  Speaker 10: doing this on the spot, stepping up to help people
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: of many different races, moves in and doesn't have a
• 48:14
  Speaker 10: clock with him to decide when he should stop and
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: when he shouldn't, which.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: Is why in the end the jury acquitted right.
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: No, Actually, Daniel Penny was trained very well by the
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: United States of core and he knew what the signs were.
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: He knew when Jordan's body was lacking. He knew that
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: Jordan was going to die. Why didn't you show his face? Dan,
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: you're a good man of when he laughed and when
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: the first was one. I'm critical of the police. We
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: know this, right, NYPD tried to save his life while
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: they were doing chess compressions. Daniel Penny laughed and said,
• 48:44
  Speaker 8: trusting a good person a hero. One last thing, why
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: did he never ask about the well being in that
• 48:50
  Speaker 8: police department? About Jordan Neely? You're asked the hero.
• 48:53
  Speaker 10: You're asking a lot of questions that are sort of
• 48:55
  Speaker 10: rhetorical questions, right, But the ultimate question is why did
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: the jury equit?
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: Is it because they're racist?
• 49:02
  Speaker 8: America is inherently.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: Biased, So the jury is the jury is racist? Have
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: you seen them asking you a question? I don't change
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: this o it Is it because the jury is racist?
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Kudos to my colleague, I guess I would call him
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Dan Abrams there for his handling of that very sticky
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: situation and effectively getting her to admit that she believes
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: that the verdict was racist, the jury was racist. That
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: the only way that a white male could be acquitted
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: in New York City, by the way, with four minority
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: members on the jury, would be for racism. That's the
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: only explanation that these people see. They cannot see any
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: other explanation, the Black Lives Matter people because it's not
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: in their self interest to see any other explanation because
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: they need there to be racism. They need in racism
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: in the system, otherwise their existence ceases to have meaning.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they can't fundraise, they can't get
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: media attention.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: They need it.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: That's why I say all the time the supply of
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: actual racism is far exceeded.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: By the demand. And even the news media. Now.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Dan is kind of an aberration here because I think
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: he's a lot smarter and a lot more courageous than
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: the average mainstream news media member.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: But even the news.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Media, I think is far more skeptical now, and hopefully
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: they'll be more skeptical in the future, because this is
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: a situation, as Dan said, that should never have been
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: even brought the trial. I mean, if Daniel Penny.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Was black, there's no chance, nothing that.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: We even are talking about this, that this never goes
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: to a trial. And thankfully barely justice prevailed here, even
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: in New York City, which gives me some hope that
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: maybe justice will also prevail the Luigi Mangioni case. But
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I do think that there are differences and we'll see
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: what ends up happening in that case. But hopefully, hopefully
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: history can repeat itself. If there can be justice in
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the Penny case, maybe there'll be justice ultimately in the
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni case. Now, when it comes to racism, this
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: is how this is how insane we have gotten when
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: it comes to allegations of racism.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I shit you not, folks.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: There was a major New York Times story this week
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: that was about how black members of the Kama Harris
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: campaign believe that they were treated in effectively a racist
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: fashion by the campaign itself. Again kind of the theme
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: of this entire podcast episode. You cannot make this shit up.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: You just cannot make it up. But this was This
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: is a story in the New York Times that had
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the following allegations Black staffers on the Harris campaign. Remember,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: she was going to be the first black female president, right,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: she was a black.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Person, That's what we were told.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: She's not African American, but she was black, or very
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: least a woman of color. That's who was at the
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: top of a ticket. And these are the allegations in
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the New York Times. Black staffers input were routinely ignored
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: by Kamala Harris and campaign leadership. White staffers allegedly received
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: preferential treatment, enjoying better office spaces and perks like paid meals.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Campaign offices in minority areas lacked basic necessities supplies, campaign materials,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: and working in internet and computer equipment and running water,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: leaving them no option but to meet up at places
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: like dunkin Donuts for free Wi Fi to do their work. Finally,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: staff working in minority communities claim that often they had
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: to pay out of pocket for essentials like yard signs
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: and printing services. Now, I'm going to presume, for the
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: sake of argument, that everything they're saying has some truth
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: to it. I have absolutely no way of knowing this,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: But just for the sake of argument, Okay, let's pretend
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: that all those allegations have merit. The first thing that
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I look at and I go, well, gee, when you
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: spend over a billion dollars, how insane is it that
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: anybody on your campaign is having to do some of
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: the things that are alleged here. That to me is
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a classic example of gross mismanagement. But if you're trying
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: to look at this logically, and I realized logic doesn't
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: have a lot of sway in this day and age.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: If you try to look at this logically, if.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: You're in a minority community, especially in a blue state,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: you're not going to be of any priority to the
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Harris campaign. Has nothing to do with your race. It
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: has to do with the fact that you're not needed. Now,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: is it possible if this was in Atlanta, in Georgia,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: then that would be different. But there's no indication from
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: my reading of the article that the allegations were specific
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: to a place like Atlanta or maybe Philadelphia.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: But even if we go beyond that, Okay, maybe it.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Was massive mismanagement, misappropriation of funds. There was obviously an
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: awful lot of incompetence. We know that there's no question
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: that most of the top campaign staff were white people,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: most of them white women. I talked about this previously,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: where this was one of the weaknesses of the Harris
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: campaign because these liberal white women were completely.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Out of touch with reality.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: We saw that in their post election interviews that they gave.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: They were completely clueless and they look at the world
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: through this very distorted prism of their own wokeness.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: They have no ability.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: This is why they thought Tim Waltz might appeal to,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: you know, straight middle class men, because they have no clue.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: They don't understand reality. But I find it hilarious that
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: the only explanation that the black members of the Harris
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: campaign that complained to The New York Times the only explanation.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: They can see is racism.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Which also goes to the prism through which they see
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: the world. Now, I happened to actually think that there's
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: an awful lot of subconscious racism among very liberal white women.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Is that possibly part of all this thing? I guess
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: it's possible, but I want to get people the benefit
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: of the doubt without any actual hard evidence. But the
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: most important part of the story is how hilarious it
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: is it that a campaign where at the top of
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: the ticket is someone who is the ultimate dei selection.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: She's there only because of her gender and whatever it
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: is that her race is. That's the only reason why
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: she has the nomination, a nomination that was gifted to her,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: handed to her in an unprecedented set of circumstances where
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: she didn't get any votes in a primary, never received
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: a vote for president in a primary, never even had
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to go through any process. Was just anointed as if
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: she was a queen, with no open convention, no actual vote,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: no process, no nothing that even on this campaign, a
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: campaign that was everything that is the modern Democratic Party
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: has become when it comes to pandering to minority groups
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: in every way possible, trying to bribe them in every
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: way possible. Barack Obama scolding black men for not voting
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: in large enough numbers for Kamala Harris, which they are
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: supposed to do, allegedly because of the pigmentation of inner skin,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I presume. But even in that campaign, there were complaints
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: enough from black staffers for The New York Times to
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: take seriously the idea that the Harris campaign had systemic
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: racism within it. And then there's the other part of this, which,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: of course The New York Times is, in my view,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: much like a lot of very liberal people, subconsciously racist.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: They can't even conceive of this possibility. But there's also
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: the possibility that if you're a black staffer on the
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris campaign and have been working in Democratic Party
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: politics for a long time, you have been so coddled,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: you have been so promoted, you have found yourself in
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: a position that maybe you don't even deserve to begin with,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: because DEI is in the DNA of the entire apparatus,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: that you start to feel a sense of entitlement, You
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: think that you're a heck of a lot better than
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: you actually are. Kamala Harris, I think has become, lack
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: of a better term, a victim of that. I've seen
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: this happen constantly when it comes to successful black women.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Some of the most entitled people on the planet are
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: the black women in the US, concrete and for a
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: lot of different reasons, having nothing to do with their race.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: If it doesn't matter, if you're a human being and
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: you start to believe, you know that your stuff doesn't stink,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: that you're super smart, and everyone around you has always
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: put rose pedals down in your path, and success has
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: been very easy for you because you've always been given
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: the promotion immediately, because people are so desirous of having
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: a black female be successful in any particular realm, Well,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: you're going to naturally being a human being, not of
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: being a black person, being a human being, You're going
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: to start to feel entitled. And if you have that
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: sense of entitlement and you're looking around at the campaign
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: and you're not getting everything that you want, the only
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  Speaker 1: explanation you can come up with, given the world in
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  Speaker 1: which you live, especially in democratic party politics, is aha,
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  Speaker 1: it must be racism.
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  Speaker 2: There's no other expl It must be.
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  Speaker 1: Racism even within the presidential campaign where the person at
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  Speaker 1: the top of the ticket is there in large part
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  Speaker 1: because of the color of their skin.
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  Speaker 2: Again, you just cannot make this stuff up.
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  Speaker 1: And The New York Times, of course, took this seriously
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  Speaker 1: with almost no blowback at all. It's absolutely it's hilarious,
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  Speaker 1: is what it is. But it's also very telling about
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  Speaker 1: the news media and about democratic politics and about the monster,
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  Speaker 1: the monster that the Democratic Party has created with the
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  Speaker 1: coddling of minority groups, and specifically in the Dei era,
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  Speaker 1: of people who are of color, or the right gender,
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  Speaker 1: the right sexuality, whatever it is, they start to feel entitled.
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  Speaker 1: And then when anything goes wrong at all, whether they're
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's real or imagined or somewhere in between,
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  Speaker 1: any kind of being shortchanged, or any kind of affront,
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  Speaker 1: or any kind of injustice again, real or imagined, anything
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  Speaker 1: where they feel like they're not getting their fair share,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be racism, because that's how systemic racism
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  Speaker 1: is in their minds. It even pervades the presidential campaign
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  Speaker 1: of come Frickin' harass. It's just unbelievable, that's how deep
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  Speaker 1: the cancer is gone within the Democratic Party and you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe just maybe it's gone so far that people are
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  Speaker 1: starting to realize, wait a minute, we got to do
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  Speaker 1: something about this, and they'll realize that might be too optimistic,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe this.
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  Speaker 2: Has gone too far.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to believe that our people with the
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  Speaker 1: novel are going to say this publicly, but there's got
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  Speaker 1: to be people within the Democratic Party that read that
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  Speaker 1: New York Times article and are like, Okay, what.
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  Speaker 2: The hell's going on here? We we got to put
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  Speaker 2: a stop to this.
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  Speaker 1: We have indeed create a monster. There have to be
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  Speaker 1: people that understand this. Now, speaking of this racial monster,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have a few more thoughts about that
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  Speaker 1: when I get to the Caitlyn Clark story, because that
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  Speaker 1: monster still has teeth and it may have just eaten
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark, at least when it comes to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of her conservative fan base. But before I get to that,
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk Since we're in the political realm
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: discussing the Kamala.
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  Speaker 2: Harris campaign being infested with racism.
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  Speaker 1: I want to turn to what's been going on with
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: the Donald Trump transition team, and there have been several
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  Speaker 1: interesting things that have occurred that.
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  Speaker 2: I want to make comment on.
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  Speaker 1: The first has a I guess a six degrees of
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: John Ziggler element to it, and that is that Trump
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  Speaker 1: is appointed a lawyer, fairly prominent lawyer, especially if you
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: are on Twitter or you watch a lot of Fox
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  Speaker 1: News Channel, a lawyer by the name of Armeat Dylan
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  Speaker 1: as the Assistant Attorney General for civil rights speaking of
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  Speaker 1: racial issues. And I support this nomination. But the reason
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  Speaker 1: why I'm mentioning it is that Harmeat Dylan was the
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  Speaker 1: attorney that represented the case for me and my daughter
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  Speaker 1: Grace during the COVID panic where we sued Gavin Newsom
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: and the state of California over school closings. And there
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: were there were several plaintiffs in this case, but Grace,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I think I think they needed to
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  Speaker 1: be me because I was an adult. But I guess
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  Speaker 1: me and Grace, my daughter who was then in second
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  Speaker 1: and third grade. You know, we were one of the
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  Speaker 1: primary plaintiffs in that case, and we had several conference
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  Speaker 1: calls with Harmeat and she represented us for quite a while. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: while it went through the court system, we never got
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  Speaker 1: any sort of victory.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think it was important that.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody at least fight the fight and so I have
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  Speaker 1: no problem with her. I mean, I think she did
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  Speaker 1: it for publicity sake. I think she's definitely someone who
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: loves attention and loves the publicity. And she's a bit
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: more of a Trumper than I would feel comfortable with.
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  Speaker 1: But she is smart and she's a fighter, and so
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  Speaker 1: I think she'll be just fine as the Assistant Attorney
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  Speaker 1: General for Civil Rights. The most interesting thing that's happened,
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  Speaker 1: the most hilarious thing that's happened in the last few
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: days with regard to Trump World, although there is another
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: story that could provide theoretical competition for this, but I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: think it's probably in second place as we speak, deals
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: with what's going on between Donald Trump Junior and I
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: guess his former fiancee, Kimberly Gilfoyle. Now, you know, if
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: you've been an avid listener to this podcast, you know
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: that I've always been very curious about the whole situation
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  Speaker 1: involving Kimberly Gilfoyle because Kimberly Guilfoyle used to be the
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  Speaker 1: wife of Gavin new So, the governor of California, and
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  Speaker 1: I mean they were a very prominent couple together. I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: mean they did all sorts of they did a photo
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  Speaker 1: shoot that was absolutely bizarre. It should have been the
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  Speaker 1: end of Gavin Newsom's political career where they're laying down
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  Speaker 1: on the floor and all sorts of crazy poses, and
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: you look it up for yourself, it's it's very difficult
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: to describe, but you know that was That was Gavin
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  Speaker 1: Newsom and Kimberly Guilfoyle. And you know many years ago
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  Speaker 1: when when Kimberly Guilfoyle was hot stuff and somehow the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: former wife of Gavin Newsom ends up becoming the fiance
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  Speaker 1: of Donald Trump Junior. And I've always felt that there's
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: a hell of a story there, especially when it comes
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: to the relationship between Trump and Newsom during COVID. I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: could be totally wrong about this, but Newsom and Trump,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: especially Trump towards Newsom were very cozy during the COVID panic.
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  Speaker 1: And there are other reasons that that could be the case,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: but I gotta believe. I've always believed that Occam's raiser.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when you have something that doesn't make any sense,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: like Trump being so nice to dose him for as
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  Speaker 1: long as he has that Guilfoyle, you know, being his
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  Speaker 1: former wife and now being the fiance of your favorite
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  Speaker 1: son that has to play a role in some way,
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  Speaker 1: shape or form. Now, I don't know we're ever going
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  Speaker 1: to know the true story here. In fact, I think
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: there's probably very little chance we're ever going to know
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  Speaker 1: the real story because of what's just transpired, and that
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: is that within twenty four hours, not even twenty four hours,
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  Speaker 1: it became publicly accepted that Donald Trump Junior has moved
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  Speaker 1: on in his romantic relationship because he was seen publicly
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  Speaker 1: and very overtly with a socialite from Palm Beach in
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  Speaker 1: Florida who's very attractive, and it's clearly a romantic situation,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: and they were on ambiguous about making it clear that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: they were in a very public situation. It's not like
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: they were trying to hide their relationship. So just using
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: two plus two equals four, if you're Donald Trump Junior
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  Speaker 1: and you're publicly displaying a new relationship with a young
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  Speaker 1: hot social or younger hot, hotter socialite, when you've been
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  Speaker 1: very well known to be the fiance of a prominent
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  Speaker 1: person like Kimberly Guilfoyle.
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  Speaker 2: That's relevant.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty much saying that I'm no longer engaged to
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Kimberly Guilfoyle. I mean that without announcing it, that seemed
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  Speaker 1: to be the reality. Well then, just a few hours
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: after this story became accepted as real, something rather remarkable happened,
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  Speaker 1: and that is that Donald Trump announced that Kimberly Guilfoyle
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  Speaker 1: was going to be the new ambassador to Greece.
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  Speaker 2: My god. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you know this is not difficult to see
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: what happened here, folks, especially given the fact that it
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: certainly keeps in the way Donald Trump mob boss might
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: do things, especially for his favorite son, Donald Junior. But
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: it certainly appears as if the moment that Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: Junior moved on to a newer, younger, hotter female companion,
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  Speaker 1: Kimberly Gilfoyle was given a parting gift in the form
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: of a one way, all expense paid trip to Greece
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  Speaker 1: for the next four years where she can't be a
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: problem for him. I mean, just through the math, folks,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: this seems about as obvious as it gets. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is a story that really deserves to have the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: theme music from the HBO show Succession playing in the background.
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  Speaker 1: This says cutthroat as it gets. So Kimberly Gilfoyle has
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  Speaker 1: now been jettison to Grease, which, by the way, is
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: exactly the kind of place or you might send somebody
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: in this situation because it's far away. It's pretty harmless politically.
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  Speaker 1: She can't do any real harm in Greece. It's a
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  Speaker 1: nice place to be living if you do it properly.
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  Speaker 2: And so she's.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna be out of Donald Trump Junior's hair for the
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  Speaker 1: next four years at least.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's cold. That is as cold as ice right there.
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