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- 0:24What's up, everyone? We're back.
- 0:26Welcome back. It's been a, it's been a minute
- 0:28since I've done a TTL, you know, been working, grinding.
- 0:31And I'd like to do these when I'm inspired to have these
- 0:34conversations with people. And last time I brought CJ on,
- 0:39he absolutely slayed it. You guys were going wild in the
- 0:41chat, you guys kept telling me to bring him on.
- 0:44You guys were asking questions. Well, if we have enough time, we
- 0:48will get kind of back to some of the topics we had last week.
- 0:51But CJ has been dropping epic threads on Twitter, which I
- 0:55think everyone should be following.
- 0:57You guys should be following what he's saying on Twitter.
- 1:01I think he's dropping a lot of Nuggets.
- 1:03And so I wanted to bring him on and talk about all this stuff
- 1:06right now and in as simplest terms as possible so that we can
- 1:09understand what the hell is actually going on in the world.
- 1:12So without further ado and without, you know, dragging on
- 1:15this monologue, CJ, how are you doing, brother?
- 1:18Good to have you. It's been a minute.
- 1:20And and last time you came on, we were kind of joking that you
- 1:23were hitting the nail on the head.
- 1:24And I think we're at that moment again where you're just dropping
- 1:27too much wisdom. And it happens like, I don't
- 1:30know, I I saw some threads and and it'll happen like a week
- 1:32later. And I I do have them up here.
- 1:34So we'll talk about that. But CJ, how you doing, brother?
- 1:37I'm doing good. Thanks for having me back on.
- 1:38It's an honor to be here. And if this were ever the time
- 1:42to ring the warning bell right now is it awesome, awesome.
- 1:45Okay. Well let me just pull some of
- 1:47these threads up so we can basically get into them and we
- 1:52will use them as jump off point. So first thread, actually
- 1:56actually before we go in, like I was saying before the show and I
- 2:01was telling everyone right now, maybe we got to break down some
- 2:04of these topics like as simple as possible.
- 2:07So first and foremost, we are going to be talking about
- 2:10interest rates. We are going to be talking about
- 2:11the bond market. We might even get into stable
- 2:14coins if we don't go too long. So maybe here's the first
- 2:18thread, this is pinned on your Twitter guys and also go follow
- 2:21him, CJ Constantinos on Twitter, highly recommend you guys follow
- 2:26him. But here's the first one, And
- 2:30oddly enough, before you posted this, it seemed like, oh, maybe
- 2:34C, JS just talking randomly out of thin air.
- 2:36And I do have the receipts of Jay Powell saying this exact
- 2:39thing. So maybe first and foremost,
- 2:41let's cover this thread for the people, and then, you know, give
- 2:44them some definitions and then maybe we'll bring up Jay Powell.
- 2:48Awesome. Yeah, so actually this is the
- 2:51this is the tweet that Max Kaiser quoted and was actually
- 2:56cited in a Forbes article talking about the death spiral.
- 3:01So what's happening here is I just wanted to draw a simple
- 3:04line of what the conclusion of what's the the Fed is doing
- 3:09right now 'cause even today you heard the the governor's come
- 3:12out and couple presidents come out and say what's happening is
- 3:15that rates are going to stay higher for longer because their
- 3:19ideas that higher rates is going to fight off inflation.
- 3:24And without going into too much detail, let me say it this way.
- 3:29They would be correct. If, if, and here's the big if,
- 3:33if the United States wasn't $36 trillion in debt, or I think
- 3:39it's 3034, it's getting up there pretty close.
- 3:42It's it's growing fast. It's hard to keep track of.
- 3:45It's growing so fast. But we're $34 trillion in debt.
- 3:49We have $211 trillion of unfunded liabilities, which
- 3:56means that. We have a problem because we're
- 4:00not earning money, you and I. We go to work, we earn money,
- 4:03and then we spend less money than we earn.
- 4:06And whatever is leftover, we can save or we can invest, depending
- 4:10on what the marketplace is incentivizing us to do.
- 4:13Well, the government doesn't work that way.
- 4:15They collect roughly $4 trillion in taxes, and then they claim to
- 4:20be spending 6 or $7 trillion. We're finding out now it's
- 4:25probably closer to 8 and $9 trillion that they're spending.
- 4:29So we're running what's called a budget deficit.
- 4:32We're spending more money than we're earning, and that creates
- 4:35a debt problem. And that's why we have the big
- 4:38debt and the unfunded liabilities.
- 4:40But here's the real issue. In order to continue to fund
- 4:44those liabilities, or in other words, in order for people to
- 4:47still receive their Social Security.
- 4:50In order for people to still receive different government
- 4:53benefits and programs and payouts, that money needs to be
- 4:57borrowed. And when they borrow that money
- 4:59at a higher interest rate, that raises the deficit, and that the
- 5:05raising of the deficit requires more borrowing, which is issuing
- 5:09of more treasuries, which forces the yields higher.
- 5:12And you get in. You get stuck in this kind of
- 5:15cycle where you can't really escape it.
- 5:18And that's what my tweets have been about and I think people
- 5:21are really starting to wake up to it.
- 5:23And that's why we see the 2627 trillion dollar bond market with
- 5:29more volatility than the stock market, more volatility than
- 5:33Bitcoin. How's that possible?
- 5:34I thought Bitcoin was dangerous because it's volatile.
- 5:37The the the bond market is supposed to be the most stable
- 5:39market in the world, and it's become the most volatile market
- 5:43in the world. And the reason is, is because
- 5:45the government is stuck in a situation where they're spending
- 5:49more money than they're collecting.
- 5:51And and that's the dilution of the dollar.
- 5:53That is a definition of inflation.
- 5:56They're collecting the dollars, they're borrowing the dollars
- 5:58and they're spending them into circulation.
- 6:02And that increases the overall amount of circulating dollars in
- 6:06the country and in the world even.
- 6:08And that creates the inflation and this kind of.
- 6:12Death spiral. The death death spiral is what
- 6:15Forbes called it is, is almost impossible to escape.
- 6:19And that's what some of my newer tweets were about where right
- 6:23now in a traditional market, like think about like this,
- 6:26we're all lenders, right? So when we go to the bank, we
- 6:29actually don't deposit our money with them.
- 6:32We lend our money to them and that's why they pay us interest.
- 6:36Now what the bank did was they took the money that we gave
- 6:40them. And they went and they bought a
- 6:41corresponding asset on their balance sheet.
- 6:44So they don't just take our dollar and hold it, they take
- 6:46that dollar and they invest it. And the goal is to generate a
- 6:50yield with that investment that's larger than the amount of
- 6:55interest they promised to pay us for the original deposit
- 6:59lending. And they arbitrage.
- 7:01I call it custodial arbitrage. They arbitrage the difference
- 7:05between what they have to pay to their depositors and what they
- 7:08can earn and yield in the background.
- 7:10Well, when the Federal Reserve lower rates in 2008 all the way
- 7:16down to 0, something happened. The banks had to, in order to
- 7:21earn interest, go out the yield curve.
- 7:24They had to go to the longer expirations.
- 7:26They they couldn't just buy the three month or the six month or
- 7:29the two year. They had to move out the yield
- 7:31curve in order to actually make a profit.
- 7:34So they've got bumped out into the note and to the bonds.
- 7:37And and remember there's three types of treasuries.
- 7:40You have a treasury bill which expires in less than a year.
- 7:42You have a treasury note which is 2 to 10 years, and you have a
- 7:46bond which is 20 plus. So they got pushed out from the
- 7:49bills which had the least amount of duration, time, duration,
- 7:53risk all the way out to the end of the curve into the bonds.
- 7:57And they had to because the feds stated the front end of the
- 8:00curve down to 0. So if they're depositors, if you
- 8:03remember at one point when your money in the bank, it would get
- 8:06zero point. 1% or 0.01%. Why?
- 8:10Well, because the banks were having a hard time getting
- 8:12anything at all. So they can't pay you more than
- 8:16they're making. They'll go out of business.
- 8:18And that process of getting pushed out the yield curve is
- 8:21why they got stuck. Because now when the Fed had to
- 8:24raise interest rates to fight inflation, it diluted the value
- 8:28of the collateral, and the collateral was the government
- 8:31debt that was supposed to be producing the yield.
- 8:34Which was producing the profit because the yield was greater
- 8:36than the amount of profit sharing they were doing with
- 8:40their depositors. That whole system is breaking
- 8:43down right now. And I said that when I was back
- 8:45on your show back in March. These guys are breaking the
- 8:49system by raising interest rates because they're devaluing the
- 8:54the collateral of the system. When they raise the interest
- 8:57rate, the yield goes up but the price goes down.
- 9:00So, you know, for anybody who borrow is against Bitcoin.
- 9:04If if if you know, let's just say Bitcoin was worth $100,000
- 9:07and you borrow $70,000 against it.
- 9:11Well if the price of Bitcoin goes down, the leverage of your
- 9:15position increases, the loan to value percentage increases.
- 9:19And if it goes down from 100,000 to 70,000, the person who is
- 9:23holding that collateral is going to say, well, I don't trust CJ
- 9:27to pay me back $70,000. I have to sell.
- 9:30I have to liquidate that $70,000 of Bitcoin in order to make sure
- 9:33that I don't lose money on this transaction because he came to
- 9:36me with $70,000. He hasn't paid it back to me
- 9:39yet, but now the value of this collateral is $70,000.
- 9:42I better sell it and lock in my my 70,000.
- 9:45Make sure I don't lose any money here.
- 9:47Well. That's not a situation that you
- 9:50really want to be in as a borrower or a lender because
- 9:53there's liquidation risk and you might not get recover the full
- 9:55$70,000. There's exchange fees there
- 9:58might be some slippage in there with a bigger position.
- 10:01So you could you could actually end up losing money.
- 10:04The treasury collateral is losing value every time they
- 10:08raise the interest rates. Of course, we all know they did
- 10:10the most aggressive interest rate hike in the in the recorded
- 10:14history. The the amount of percentage of
- 10:16growth in the in the rate. Is unmatched through previous
- 10:20raises and they devalued the collateral just as fast as they
- 10:25raise the interest rates. And kind of just to tie this
- 10:27back into Bitcoin, I I want people to think of because
- 10:31remember last time I was here I said Bitcoin is transforming
- 10:33from digital gold to digital collateral.
- 10:36Well look Treasury collateral did so well as collateral
- 10:39because the Fed forced rates to stay even.
- 10:42So the principal value of that collateral stayed pretty steady,
- 10:45but over time. It's now deteriorating, and
- 10:49that's because the amount of inflation that they created
- 10:51through deficit spending. But imagine Bitcoin as the
- 10:55world's most pristine form of collateral, the reserve asset of
- 10:58the Internet economy, a deflationary money that gains
- 11:02value over time. They had a state, the rate of
- 11:06bonds and Treasuries lower so that the value would stay stable
- 11:11so that they could support the system and Bitcoin.
- 11:14Would actually be a collateral where you you can't state the
- 11:17rate because it's an open free market.
- 11:18Matter of fact, it's the only free market interest rate in the
- 11:22world. Every single country, every
- 11:24single leader, every single central bank, they try to to
- 11:28state the price of money. Only in the Internet economy is
- 11:32the interest rate based on the supply of money and the demand
- 11:36for loans. When the supply of money is high
- 11:38and the demand for loans is low, interest rates go down.
- 11:41When the supply of money is low and demand for loans are high,
- 11:43interest rates go up. It's a free market price
- 11:47discovery mechanism the same way.
- 11:49It really should work in the traditional system, but it
- 11:50doesn't, and that's an advantage for Bitcoin.
- 11:53So not only do we have free market price of money or free
- 11:56market interest rates and free market price discovery, we also
- 11:59have a new collateral, the most pristine form of collateral in
- 12:02the world that's deflationary and gains value over time that
- 12:06way over time. As it's acting as collateral,
- 12:10the amount of leverage actually decreases.
- 12:13If you're borrowing against it your your loan to value goes
- 12:15down you're you're you're more safe, right.
- 12:18Just like if they stated treasury rates from today from
- 12:215.25 to 5.5 target all the way down to zero, well then the the
- 12:27the market price value of the Collier will go back up.
- 12:30It would actually make the system more stable and more
- 12:33secure. Of course, there's trade-offs
- 12:35with that because when rates go down.
- 12:37Helicopter money, funny money, lots of extra borrowing is going
- 12:40to take place and all of that information is really wrapped up
- 12:45into that tweet. The process of the marketplace
- 12:48incentives, the value of the collateral, the rate at which
- 12:51the collateral is being devalued through this interest, interest
- 12:56rate hiking process that we're going through right now, all of
- 12:59that comes together and creates the debt death spiral and we're
- 13:04stuck in it right now there is. There is nothing that the
- 13:08Federal Reserve can actually do. And that was one of my most
- 13:13recent tweets. I You have to, when you read my
- 13:15tweet, you have to come to one of two conclusions.
- 13:18One, I'm a complete idiot and I have no idea what I'm talking
- 13:22about. Or two, you better listen to
- 13:24what this person saying, because something's happening right now
- 13:27that's never happened before in the history of finance.
- 13:30And unfortunately, I wish I was an idiot, but I'm not.
- 13:34And we are seeing. For the first time in the
- 13:37history of finance, the sovereign debt market exploding
- 13:40because of those levels of debt. You would think if the Federal
- 13:43Reserve could raise interest rates and attract more people to
- 13:48borrow treasuries then that would be the natural process of
- 13:53attracting demand. But what the smarter market is
- 13:56figuring out what the smart money, Dumb money is buying
- 14:00bonds right now. Dumb money is is betting on TLT.
- 14:04I'm sure you have the tweet Opti, but 21 billion in 2023
- 14:09alone going into Black Rock's TLT, long dated treasury fund
- 14:15everybody and their mother. It's like the common trade,
- 14:18right? It's like when Bitcoin was 6970
- 14:20thousand dollars. You go to the grocery store and
- 14:22someone's like, hey, have you heard about Bitcoin?
- 14:24It's like, whoa, maybe I should maybe I should think about
- 14:27selling a little bit here, buying some real world assets
- 14:29because who knows what's going to happen when everybody's
- 14:31talking about it, right? But then after the.
- 14:34Crash, you're telling people, hey, it's a great time to buy
- 14:36some Bitcoin here, They're laughing at you.
- 14:38So the mainstream sentiment is usually off.
- 14:41Mainstream sentiment is is wrong.
- 14:43And right there on that chart, that is what the the mainstream
- 14:47is hoping and praying for. The mainstream is hoping and
- 14:51praying that we get some kind of head and shoulder design here
- 14:55where the yields bounce. Maybe they bounce back up a
- 14:58little bit, but ultimately they break this trend.
- 15:01You see this trend that we have here going all the way since
- 15:03back May. This is very aggressive selling.
- 15:05This might look like prices going up, but this isn't price,
- 15:09this is actually yield. So it's inverse.
- 15:11The the price is going down. These are the yields going up.
- 15:14Everybody hopes that these yields break this trend and come
- 15:18back down to 4% and then break down even lower.
- 15:21And the reason is, is because they're the ones who are buying
- 15:23the notes and the bonds, this is actually the 10 years.
- 15:26So this would be a note. They're the ones buying it
- 15:28piling in. Hoping that they're going to get
- 15:31a capital gain. But what they don't realize is
- 15:34as they pile into this, they're actually just looking at the
- 15:38face value of the opportunity, which is, hey, it's 4%, it's 5%.
- 15:44I can't go wrong, but you have to be able to sit here and say I
- 15:48can't take this at face value if my bank is offering me ACD at
- 15:525.25% or I have an opportunity, an investment opportunity at 6%
- 15:56or 7%. You have to calculate the real
- 15:59rate of return, the real rate of return.
- 16:02And before I dive into real rate return, let me just address this
- 16:05chart one more time because I find it extremely interesting
- 16:08that we had these big buyers step in.
- 16:11And if you update this chart today, there was a little bit of
- 16:14a bounce, but we're still above that four or five level.
- 16:17But you'll notice the the, the candles, they were about to
- 16:20cross that yellow line. Well, that yellow line is the 2
- 16:23year note yield, so the 10 year. And the two year we're about to
- 16:27UN invert and the green line is the three month bill that's the
- 16:31shortest duration available to the public.
- 16:34You'd have to have a a master account with the Fed to access
- 16:37the repo market or give your money to a money market fund in
- 16:40order to get a better deal than the three month.
- 16:43It's the it's the best short term duration with the lowest
- 16:47inflation risk because of the the time frame.
- 16:49We we know we'll get paid back our money in three months and
- 16:53and we think we're going to be able to buy this with it.
- 16:56But what about in 10 years you, you know you're going to get
- 16:58your money back, but you don't know what the hell you're going
- 17:00to be able to buy. That's the that's the real risk,
- 17:02it's the inflation risk. And if these yields uninverted,
- 17:07then the historical, what they call a normalization.
- 17:10Because let's just think about for a second.
- 17:12Like if I said, hey Opti, I want to borrow, you know, $1,000,000
- 17:16from you and I want to borrow it for three months.
- 17:19Then you would say, OK, yeah, it's cool.
- 17:21You can borrow it for 5%. I I, you know, I think that's
- 17:23good. I trust you as a counterparty
- 17:25and I know you're good for it, let's do it.
- 17:27But what if I said, hey Opti, I want to, I want to borrow for 10
- 17:30years. Well, would you raise the
- 17:33interest rate or would you lower the interest rate?
- 17:35Obviously you would raise the interest rate because there's
- 17:37more risk. So in a normal yield curve, the
- 17:40shorter the duration of the loan, the lower the interest
- 17:43rate. The longer the duration of the
- 17:46loan, the higher the interest rate.
- 17:48That's the natural way that these things work.
- 17:50It's called a term premium. Well, what happens when the
- 17:53yield curve becomes inverted and the short term rates are higher
- 17:57than the long term rates? There's really only one way to
- 18:01justify this and the justification by the the
- 18:04marketplace is this. We think that there's going to
- 18:07be a huge deflationary event and because there's going to be a
- 18:11huge deflationary event. The Federal Reserve is going to
- 18:14have to lower the interest rate, and when they lower the interest
- 18:17rate, not only will I get a capital gain, but and these
- 18:21guys, these guys are the real doomsdayers, right?
- 18:23I'm I'm looking toward to a Bitcoin future, to a truth money
- 18:26future. These guys want a a depression,
- 18:29they want a recession 'cause they want prices to crash so
- 18:32that they can turn their bonds and lock in that capital gain
- 18:35and then buy real world assets. So they're they're kind of
- 18:39hoping against everybody just so that they can get a little bit
- 18:42more. But the reality of the of it is
- 18:45that the only reason if you if you're managing a large amount
- 18:48of money and you're trying to protect that money, the only
- 18:52reason that you would buy a 10 year note for less than a three
- 18:56month bill, right? Because you could just get the
- 18:58five and 1/2 at three months. Why in The Who the hell is
- 19:01buying 10 years at less than 5 1/2 when you can get three
- 19:05months at 5 1/2 because the three month you can roll over
- 19:09roll. So the 10 years of saying I want
- 19:11to lock this rate in. Because I think the rates are
- 19:13going down. What does that mean?
- 19:16When you simplify this down to the core of it, what it truly
- 19:18means is the market believes the Federal Reserve's 2% inflation
- 19:23target because that's how you calculate your real rate of
- 19:26return. The real rate of return is not
- 19:27the nominal number that you see on the screen.
- 19:30The real rate of return for the three month bill is not 5.5%.
- 19:34The real rate is 5.5% minus the inflation rate.
- 19:40That's your real rate of return. That's going to tell you how
- 19:42much your purchasing power has increased, right?
- 19:45Because if you're earning 5 1/2% but prices are increasing by 2%,
- 19:50well then you only earn 3 1/2%. So the real rate of return is
- 19:54what creates marketplace incentives, not the nominal
- 19:57rate. So in order for the nominal rate
- 20:00to be lower on the 10 year versus the three month, that
- 20:04person or that manager has to be thinking in their mind?
- 20:08I want to lock in this rate because I believe the Federal
- 20:11Reserve is at 2% and because the Federal Reserve is at 2% and
- 20:15they're going to maintain their target because they have control
- 20:18of the marketplace, they have control of inflation, they're
- 20:20going to get it back down to 2% and they're going to keep it
- 20:22there. Well, then at 4%, I have a 2%
- 20:26real rate of return year over year, I'm going to, I'm going to
- 20:29grow my purchasing power by 2%. This is a fantastic deal.
- 20:33I'd love to lock that in for 10 years.
- 20:36The problem is, is that the This is why I call it financial
- 20:40COVID, because if you look back towards COVID now in hindsight,
- 20:44we can look back and be like, holy crap, we locked down
- 20:47everything for the flu. Somehow in 2019, a lot of people
- 20:51have flu. Some people died in 2020, a lot
- 20:53of people have flu, some people died 2000, 2020, one, nobody had
- 20:58the flu because everybody got COVID, right.
- 21:01So when we look back at the data, we're like, wait a second,
- 21:03that data doesn't quite make that much sense.
- 21:06So what really happened here? Well, the result of that was
- 21:11people lost trust in the medical field.
- 21:13People, people wanted to switch doctors, people wanted a
- 21:16different opinion. The level of trust in the
- 21:18medical field diminished because of the way the data was botched
- 21:22through that whole process. Well, we're we're the that's
- 21:26what's happening right now in finance.
- 21:28In finance, the data is being botched.
- 21:31I don't really care if it's happening on purpose or if it's
- 21:35happening by accident. It doesn't matter.
- 21:37The data is wrong. So what we have to do is we have
- 21:39to identify the correct data and in order to do that, thankfully
- 21:44we still have access to this data.
- 21:47The data is is free and abundant, but the proper
- 21:50analysis is scarce and costly. So what we need to do is we need
- 21:56to take a step back and say, how do I determine what inflation
- 21:59is? Well, the real rate of inflation
- 22:03is is up for debate. But if you sit down on your
- 22:06personal balance sheet and you look at your expenses compared
- 22:09to your living standards and your quality of life and how you
- 22:12like to spend and consume, well then what that means is that you
- 22:17can sit down and calculate a number.
- 22:18Now if you sit down, you take the time to calculate that
- 22:21number. I guarantee you it's not 3.7%,
- 22:25it's not and it and it's definitely not 2%.
- 22:29But the people who are buying the 10 year, they think it's
- 22:32going to be 2%. They think the Fed is going to
- 22:35get that rate back down to 2%. They can't get that rate back
- 22:39down to 2%. That's why the yield started
- 22:41shooting off. The smarter money started
- 22:44realizing, Oh my gosh, it's not 2%, it's, it can't be 2%, it's
- 22:513%, it's 4%, it's 5%. And that's what the real risk is
- 22:56here. You saw a couple of the Fed
- 22:58presidents speak today. One of them came out and said we
- 23:02have to try to figure out what's causing the long end of the
- 23:06curve to to go up. We just don't understand what
- 23:09Why don't people trust us? We know exactly what we're
- 23:12saying. We know what the 2% target is.
- 23:14We know we're going to achieve that target no matter what.
- 23:17Why is the long end of the curve going up?
- 23:19Well, the, the long end of the curve that those in the bonds
- 23:21are going up because the smart money is saying, yeah, I'm going
- 23:25to call your bluff on that. I'm not being compensated
- 23:28enough. Three, 3, 1/2% for 10 years is
- 23:31not enough. So and then the, the way that
- 23:34they get incentivized to buy again is when the yield goes up,
- 23:38right. So if you understand that
- 23:40process, there's one conclusion that you have to come to, and
- 23:43this is the most important thing I'll say all night, the Fed has
- 23:48lost the natural ability to attract demand by raising
- 23:54interest rates. Because if they raise interest
- 23:57rates, sure, the nominal yield is going to go up.
- 24:02But actually, because of the way the system works and because of
- 24:05the $34 trillion of debt plus $211 trillion of unfunded
- 24:10liabilities, plus the ongoing deficit budget, the higher the
- 24:15interest rate goes, the larger the deficit.
- 24:19The larger the deficit, The more they need to borrow.
- 24:22The more they need to borrow, the faster the dollar gets
- 24:26inflated or devalued. The faster the dollar gets
- 24:30devalued, the faster the real yield drops.
- 24:33Right, 'cause real yield is the nominal number minus the percent
- 24:37inflation. So if they're printing money to
- 24:39pay the yield and then they're the real inflation rate is say
- 24:45just say 5%. Forsake of math, it's, it's
- 24:48higher than that, but just say right now it's 5%, then you
- 24:51would take the 5% that you're getting or the 4.5% that you're
- 24:55getting in the 10 year and you would subtract the 5%.
- 24:59Well, that's negative, right? If you subtract 2%, you got
- 25:02positive yield, you're growing your purchasing power.
- 25:05But when you use real inflation, what happens is you figure out
- 25:09that the yield is negative, the real yield is negative.
- 25:12And the higher they raise the rate, the more inflation they
- 25:15cause. The more inflation they cause,
- 25:18the higher they have to raise the rate to get people to buy
- 25:21the debt. But the higher they raise the
- 25:23rate, the more inflation they 'cause.
- 25:25That's the death debt circle, and we are stuck in it right
- 25:28now. And it's most evident by the
- 25:30fact that the Federal Reserve cannot raise rates without
- 25:35causing more inflation. Therefore, they cannot raise
- 25:38rates to attract smart buyers because the nominal rate goes
- 25:42up. But the higher the nominal rate
- 25:43goes up, the lower the real yield goes down.
- 25:48They have lost control of the yield curve and we need to be
- 25:53paying attention. Wow.
- 25:55Absolutely incredible. And I I I had a mental picture
- 25:59here like just a thermostat, like when they raise the rates,
- 26:03the inflation is going up with it.
- 26:05And for a time it seemed like they could, you know, control
- 26:08that that mechanism. But now any little.
- 26:11Twist of the dial, it's like, oh shit, we have broken this.
- 26:15And CJ, before you go on guys, if you think CJ is just like
- 26:19some random guy on Twitter that you know what you said at the
- 26:22beginning, I'm either some idiot or I know what I'm talking
- 26:25about. Well, it's not just CJ saying
- 26:27this. We have a video here of Jay
- 26:30Powell saying the same thing. So it's short and then we'll let
- 26:33CJ chime in on this as well afterwards.
- 26:35So listen to this guys. Perhaps the most important thing
- 26:38is that these higher Treasury yields are showing through the
- 26:41higher borrowing costs for households and businesses.
- 26:44And those higher costs are going to weigh on economic activity to
- 26:47the extent this tightening perhaps the most.
- 26:49Important. Oh man, that's a Freudian slip
- 26:53right there. Isn't it funny how he mentioned
- 26:56it for businesses and families, but he completely just didn't
- 26:59say anything about the government.
- 27:01Well the government is borrowing more than all the businesses and
- 27:05and families. We're it's a multi trillion
- 27:08dollar deficit And if the borrowing caught if the higher
- 27:12yields are coming through as higher costs for businesses and
- 27:15families. Well come on guys it's obvious
- 27:18the higher costs are coming through to the to the federal
- 27:21government and we know that because if you look at the
- 27:23interest rate expense I believe in my tweet we were still under
- 27:29a trillion but I just saw a tweet from James Lavish which
- 27:32was absolute fire that had the interest rate expense now
- 27:35officially over a trillion dollars.
- 27:38So we now pay more on our interest in other words the
- 27:43deficit becomes larger as a result of our interest payment
- 27:47than it does because of our military spending.
- 27:50So military we spend more on the military than the whole world
- 27:52combined much more but now we spend more on our interest rate
- 27:57expense. There it is right there.
- 27:59We just broke a trillion dollars and interest rate expense, what
- 28:04are we doing? Absolutely J Pound knows it.
- 28:07The higher yields are coming through as higher cost.
- 28:09The second thing he said was how it's going to weigh down on the
- 28:15economy. He just, he just allows people
- 28:18to assume that the weighing down on the economy means that the
- 28:22economy is going to slow down. But if you guys ever looked at a
- 28:27supply demand curve and and you understood how how prices work,
- 28:31well then this should be you know, pretty easy to understand.
- 28:34I'm going to, I'm trying to simplify it.
- 28:36So here we go. If you're a company and you
- 28:38create a product and there's a lot of demand on that product.
- 28:41Let's say you create like a 1,000,000 units and you just
- 28:46launched that product and now like after two weeks you already
- 28:49sold half of the amount of units that you produced and the the
- 28:53orders keep coming in. Well, you have to, you have to
- 28:57stave off demand. You have to find a way to, to
- 28:59reduce demand or else you're going to run out of product.
- 29:01And if you run out of product, you know, people might go away
- 29:04and lose interest. You never want to be able to
- 29:06have someone come to your store and click the button and it says
- 29:09out of stock, you know they they might not ever come back.
- 29:11So what does the company do in order to fight off demand?
- 29:16They raise the price. That's that's how you fight off
- 29:19demand. So how do you, how does this
- 29:21weigh on the economy? This doesn't weigh on the
- 29:23economy with lower prices. Look, when a company sends you a
- 29:27coupon for 10% or 20%, they're trying to create demand by
- 29:31lowering the price, right? So if he was fighting prices and
- 29:35lowering prices, he would be making the economy hotter.
- 29:39That wouldn't. That's not weighting down the
- 29:40economy, that's propping it up. What he's saying is it's going
- 29:44to weight down the economy. How does it weight down?
- 29:46Well, higher costs pass through the cost structures into
- 29:49businesses and families and the government.
- 29:51It's going to push prices up. And as those prices get pushed
- 29:54up, that's how demand gets dampened.
- 29:58So he is literally telling you, verbatim in simple English, that
- 30:04what they're doing is causing the prices to go up.
- 30:07But at the same time, he's telling you, because the prices
- 30:10are going up, I'm going to keep raising those interest rates.
- 30:12I'm going to stay higher for longer.
- 30:14But because he's staying higher, it it's all feeding, it's it's
- 30:17like a negative feedback loop, like the opposite of Bitcoin.
- 30:20Bitcoin's got the positive feedback loop.
- 30:22This has the negative feedback loop and there's nothing you can
- 30:25do or say or there's no lie you can really even tell to get out
- 30:29of it because it's just, it's all, it's all math, right?
- 30:32This we're showing you math. James here is showing you math.
- 30:35He's showing you chart. I'm showing you math in my
- 30:37tweets. I'm running the numbers for you.
- 30:39Don't believe me? Run the numbers for yourself.
- 30:41Math doesn't lie. The it's the narrative pushers
- 30:45that need to lie. And he got caught right there.
- 30:48He got caught right there revealing the number one problem
- 30:52in their strategy, which is we're trying to fight higher
- 30:55prices by causing higher prices. Oh man.
- 31:00And then this, this leans in perfectly to what you tagged me
- 31:04on earlier, this tweet right here.
- 31:06You just can't figure it out, can't quite figure out what is
- 31:08going on. And you said no one is this
- 31:10dumb, It's corruption. So what are these charts?
- 31:12What are we looking at Here, let me, let me.
- 31:14Or actually, here's the quote tweet guys for you.
- 31:17Maybe you guys can see it at the bottom.
- 31:20It says Goals B need to work out what's driving long rates up.
- 31:24And CJ responds. Just can't quite figure it out.
- 31:26Mind blown. No one of this dumb It's
- 31:28corruption. Opt out of lying, Hashtag
- 31:30Bitcoin. And we got some charts here.
- 31:32So explain to us what's going on here, CJ, absolutely.
- 31:35So right here is the, the dichotomy between the spending
- 31:40and the earning and the blue line is what the government is
- 31:44earning and pass the dash line is projected earnings and then
- 31:47pass the and projected spending. So what you're seeing here is
- 31:51going into 2050 the the government is telling us and and
- 31:55this is from the Peterson Foundation, but if you go to the
- 31:59Congressional Budget Office, they have this very similar same
- 32:02data here. So this is not this is actually
- 32:04accurate and it could be found on the CBO or here and spending
- 32:08is increasing while revenues are pretty much flatlined.
- 32:12So the what that's telling you is that the deficit is going to
- 32:15grow. So the government doesn't see
- 32:17any problem with spending more money than they collect in
- 32:21taxes. They don't understand that when
- 32:23you deficit spend new currency units that you borrowed into
- 32:28circulation, it creates inflation.
- 32:30So they don't understand the consequence of their deficit
- 32:33budget and and this chart is showing you exactly why they
- 32:37don't understand it. And if they did understand it,
- 32:40you would see the red line start to come back below like it did
- 32:43in 1998. Red line came below the blue
- 32:45line. If they knew what they were
- 32:47doing, they would make that red line come below the blue line.
- 32:50Instead, the gap is getting wired, the spread is getting
- 32:54further and further away. The deficit spending is going to
- 32:57continue to increase because this is the Keynesian model.
- 33:00This is their Modern Monetary Theory mindset where they
- 33:03redefine the how the free market actually works.
- 33:08But the free market is now pushing back and saying we're
- 33:12going to call BS on your theory and we are going to not trust
- 33:18you that you're going to be able to maintain 2% because look at
- 33:21what the government's saying, the government is telling us
- 33:23they're not going to maintain 2%.
- 33:25There's no possible way you can increase spending at that rate
- 33:28and have revenues flat lined with an increasing deficit and
- 33:32maintain 2% because it's that deficit budget, it's that
- 33:35deficit spending that is creating the inflation rate.
- 33:39So they're fed Powell is like trying to blame the economy.
- 33:44He's trying to blame like the economy is too hot.
- 33:47Like we need to. I just need to punish you guys
- 33:49because you just won't stop spending.
- 33:51You're so strong you know at the same time the most people in in
- 33:55ever have two and three jobs. You know, a strong, a strong
- 33:59labor economy is not you have to have two or three jobs to get
- 34:03by. A strong labor economy is that
- 34:05the man can work one job, the wife can stay home and raise the
- 34:08kids, and you get to enjoy a high quality of lifestyle and
- 34:12and standard of living. That's a strong jobs market.
- 34:15A jobs market that requires a person to have three jobs just
- 34:18to get by, That's a weak labor market.
- 34:21So he's attacking the labor market.
- 34:23He's blaming everybody else except the federal government.
- 34:27And he's even acknowledging those costs for the businesses
- 34:30and the family and just ignoring that fact for the government and
- 34:34the fact that it's going to weigh down on us through these
- 34:38additional cost structures. Every time you see this red line
- 34:43increasing and the deficit increases and inflation goes up,
- 34:46that devalues the dollar. That weakens the purchasing
- 34:50power of the dollar. Now what's really interesting is
- 34:54that gold has maintained its value for thousands of years
- 34:58through multiple reserve currency that that have been
- 35:02traded against it. Well, the way gold maintained
- 35:06its purchasing power was that as the dollar devalued, the cost to
- 35:11pull the gold out of the ground went up, right, because the the
- 35:14value of the labor, it didn't keep up with inflation, but it
- 35:18definitely went up and the value of the equipment and everything
- 35:21else that goes into it. As those prices rise, the cost
- 35:24for the gold miner rises and the cost for the gold miner.
- 35:27When that rises, he needs to raise the front end price.
- 35:31And why is that? Well, let's go back to business
- 35:33one O 1. Look, if you started a business
- 35:36and you don't understand that you need to create profit, you
- 35:39should sell your business right away. close down your business
- 35:41and sell it. Go get a job.
- 35:43Because at least you'll make money, right?
- 35:45You don't run a business to not make money, you run a business
- 35:48to profit. So if the product or the service
- 35:51that you're bringing to the marketplace has a cost, the cost
- 35:55is your baseline, the cost. You cannot sell the product or
- 35:58service for less than the cost. So if your customer sees the
- 36:04value and your good or services value proposition, then they
- 36:08must pay a price above the cost or else you're going to go out
- 36:11of business. And if you go out of business,
- 36:13the supply of that good or service declines and the price
- 36:16goes up even higher, right, because that's the way the free
- 36:19market works, is the supply drops.
- 36:21If the demand's still there, the price goes up.
- 36:23So you can't get past this, right?
- 36:25This is not the labor theory of value.
- 36:27This is Business 101. You offer products and services
- 36:31for higher than your cost, and if a competitor can do it
- 36:34better, well, that's a different conversation.
- 36:36But that cost is is every business's baseline.
- 36:40But this is the magic thing about Bitcoin.
- 36:42Unlike gold, which value goes up relative to the devaluation of
- 36:47the dollar and to the devaluation of the dollar only,
- 36:50Bitcoin's price will not protect your purchasing power, only
- 36:53because of the devaluation of the dollar, but also because of
- 36:57the difficulty adjustment. So imagine more people start
- 37:01mining gold and yeah, the supplies get a little bit more
- 37:05expensive to buy, so the cost goes up a little bit, but it
- 37:07doesn't require any more energy to pull the gold out of the
- 37:11ground. With Bitcoin, yes, the price is
- 37:14going to go up a little bit because the price of hash rate
- 37:16is increasing because the demand on that is increasing.
- 37:19But at the same time, as the hash rate increases, the
- 37:22difficulty increases, and as the difficulty increases, the cost
- 37:26increases. So as we're talking about all
- 37:29this stuff, don't get too heavy on yourself, don't get too don't
- 37:34let your spirits get low. Because Bitcoin is the solution
- 37:37to the very problem that we're talking about today.
- 37:39It was strategically engineered to solve this problem, and it's
- 37:45here to protect our purchasing power long after this Fiat chick
- 37:50coins are are gone. So don't get too low in spirit
- 37:53with what's going on, but acknowledge it.
- 37:56Acknowledge what's going on. Prepare yourself.
- 37:58Prepare your family. Because, look, the government is
- 38:01telling you what they're going to do and they're not going to
- 38:03change that. Love it.
- 38:05Yeah. And we'll we'll ring in.
- 38:06We'll bring in Bitcoin into this conversation towards the end.
- 38:09But I I think it's very very insightful to just.
- 38:12Show people where we are. So, you know, I think he tweeted
- 38:16earlier today, You're like, I'm not an alarmist, I'm a realist.
- 38:19And sometimes you need a dose of reality.
- 38:21But here, let's go to the next chart you tagged us in.
- 38:24So what are we seeing in this chart, CJ?
- 38:27So, so this one is actually more alarming, but in the red you see
- 38:31the, the exponential growth of the of the debt.
- 38:35In the green you see declining revenues and in the orange you
- 38:39see the increasing deficit. So you know, as the interest
- 38:42rates go up, the the revenues are going to go down and the
- 38:48debt is going to go up and the deficit is going to go up.
- 38:51That is the perfect storm for getting crushed.
- 38:53And OPTI, actually, if you could, I'd really appreciate if
- 38:56you could pull up the US debt clock, which is usdebtclock.org,
- 39:00because I've been watching the US debt clock for close to 14
- 39:05years now. And in my recollection, this is
- 39:10the only time where we have seen what you're about to see with
- 39:15your own eyes. Look right there in the top
- 39:19left, you have the debt 33.7, But move over U.S. tax revenue
- 39:25yet no zoom back in like that. That was beautiful.
- 39:28Yeah. OK, so the national debt is
- 39:31going up. The deficit is going up.
- 39:36But look what's happening to the revenue it's going down.
- 39:41Let me ask Jay Powell question if the if the economy was
- 39:46growing by 4.9% because that's what they said GDP was 4.9%.
- 39:52How is the tax revenue going down.
- 39:55How do you have an economy when you maybe you know maybe even
- 39:59better for people to realize this.
- 40:01I got you running around here, OP the I apologize, but you're
- 40:04good at it, no? Worries.
- 40:05No worries. What?
- 40:06What do you need? I think going to shadow stats, I
- 40:09think if you go to shadowstats.com and we showed
- 40:13the GDP sharp, it will kind of give you an idea of how
- 40:17ludicrous the claims that that the the Bureau of Labor
- 40:23Statistics are putting out the the, the manipulation of the
- 40:26data is so bad at this point. That I am actually working on my
- 40:31own website that puts together all this because every once in a
- 40:33while I sit down and I plug all these numbers into the equations
- 40:36just to see where we're at. And I'm getting annoyed with it.
- 40:38So I want to automate the process and I'm going to create
- 40:41that website so that everybody has access to the most important
- 40:45numbers that any macro manager can have access to.
- 40:48And when you get that up on the GDP on shadow stats, what we're
- 40:54going to see is that the government is claiming with 4.9.
- 40:58Percent GDP that we're not just growing faster than we were pre
- 41:04COVID, we're going, we're growing faster than we were
- 41:07going all the way back to the early 80s.
- 41:11So they're saying that this is the most growth and I'm still
- 41:13seeing the debt clock. I'm not sure if everybody is
- 41:14still, yeah, here we go. I'm I'm trying to find it on the
- 41:17site. Yeah.
- 41:18So go to alternate data. Yeah, that's fine.
- 41:22Yeah. And then gross domestic product,
- 41:24there we go. Boom.
- 41:26So the blue line. Is actually accounting for real
- 41:29inflation. The red line is what the
- 41:32government claims. We'll take a look at where that
- 41:35red line they're saying that we're at 4.9%.
- 41:39That's more growth than pre COVID of course, but that's more
- 41:42growth going all the way back to the early 80s.
- 41:45They're saying we have these after doing the largest, most
- 41:48aggressive interest rate hike in in modern financial history.
- 41:53They're saying we have the strongest economy.
- 41:56Because the data is is botched. Inflation is not being accounted
- 42:00for properly. When you look at GDP, they're
- 42:02supposed to just like when you find real rates, right?
- 42:05When we talked about real rates the the nominal rate is 5.5%.
- 42:10If we believe the Fed and the and the inflation rate is 2%,
- 42:13then our real rate of return is the 5% minus the 2% which is the
- 42:183.5%. Well, in GDP it works the same
- 42:22way you you have what's called the GDP deflator.
- 42:25And that and that's how you go from nominal to real.
- 42:29So they're saying that GDP is 3.5%.
- 42:33So they're deflating GB GDP by 3.5%.
- 42:37But inflation is not 3.5%. So that's why the that's why the
- 42:41GDP number is the nominal number that they're promoting to to
- 42:45promote. Their narrative is telling us
- 42:47that we have the strongest economy since the early 80s.
- 42:50That's just not true, because when you account for real
- 42:53inflation, look at the blue line.
- 42:56Growth is still negative. We have.
- 42:58We have only shrunk less and less since COVID.
- 43:02We have not experienced any real growth.
- 43:05Now a lot of people know that the definition of a recession is
- 43:092 consecutive quarters of negative GDP.
- 43:13Well, the definition of a depression is 1/4 of greater
- 43:20than -10% GDP or? 12 consecutive quarters of
- 43:26negative GDP. Well, you'll see there.
- 43:28In 2020, we went just below the 10%.
- 43:32So in 2020, we actually entered and fit into the definition of a
- 43:37depression. Now of course, it was an
- 43:39artificial depression based on the lockdowns, but we met that
- 43:43definition. Now what's concerning is that we
- 43:47we met the definition of an artificial depression through
- 43:50the lockdown which brought us the -10%.
- 43:53But since then, we have not been positive.
- 43:55We've been shrinking less and less, absolutely, because we're
- 43:58recovering, but we've never gone positive.
- 44:01And if GDP doesn't turn positive by the end of this quarter, this
- 44:06is the 12th quarter. So we will have met the United
- 44:09States of America will have met both definitions of a
- 44:12depression, both at least one year of negative of greater than
- 44:17-10% GDP plus 12 consecutive quarters.
- 44:22Of negative GDP. Meanwhile, the government is
- 44:26telling you we have the strongest economy since the
- 44:28early 80s. The, the, the, the mishandling
- 44:32of inflation is what's skewing all of the data.
- 44:36So then you have to ask yourself, OK, well are they
- 44:38botching this or are they incentivized to do this?
- 44:43Well, everybody in Bitcoin knows that Funny scammer saying where
- 44:47it's like, hey, send me a Bitcoin, I'll send you 2 back,
- 44:50right? Have you ever heard a scammer
- 44:52tell you, hey, send me one Bitcoin and I'll send you 0.95
- 44:57back? Well, hell no, they never said
- 44:59that because there's no incentive for the person to send
- 45:01the Bitcoin. Why would I send you one Bitcoin
- 45:03to get less back? I want more back.
- 45:06Well, the government. In the same way, the government
- 45:08is incentivized to tell you a lower inflation number, right?
- 45:13Because when they tell you a lower inflation number, that's
- 45:16the equivalent of creating a fake.
- 45:20Real yield. That's higher than it really is,
- 45:22right? Because you take the 5% that you
- 45:24get on the three month, you subtract it from their 2% claim
- 45:28and you got real growth of 3% year over year.
- 45:32But if you take the 5% and you subtract the 7 1/2% real
- 45:37inflation, you're at negative. So why would we lend the
- 45:41government money and and expect to get a negative return?
- 45:44Why would we send the Bitcoin scammer of Bitcoin?
- 45:46Because he promised to give us 0.95 Bitcoin back.
- 45:50Right. The Federal Reserve is not,
- 45:52they're smarter than that. So they're they're, they're,
- 45:55they're incentivized to to state a lower inflation number because
- 46:00the lower inflation number allows you to subtract a smaller
- 46:05number from the nominal yield which fluffs up the real yield
- 46:09number. And and and because they have
- 46:13that incentive, people really shouldn't be trusting their data
- 46:16a lot. Like why you shouldn't have
- 46:18trusted. A lot of the VAX data that it
- 46:22was safe, it was tested. I mean the right amount of time
- 46:26didn't pass by to do the proper testing.
- 46:28So it's it's unfair to say that it was safely and properly
- 46:31tested because the right amount of time didn't even go by to do
- 46:34the right safe and proper testing.
- 46:36It's just obvious. But they had incentive to lie
- 46:39about it because they made billions of dollars.
- 46:41Well, the government has an incentive to lie about the
- 46:43inflation because as long as they can make us think that we
- 46:46have a real yield, a real rate of return that's positive and
- 46:51not negative, then we'll keep lending them money.
- 46:54And that's what the market is figuring out.
- 46:56The market is starting to figure out.
- 46:58This is unbelievable. They've been telling me this,
- 47:01but the reality is this. And when I switch, when I adjust
- 47:04to the reality, I'm actually sending this guy a Bitcoin and
- 47:07getting 0.95 back. This is not going to work.
- 47:11I don't want to lend my money to them.
- 47:12And people are selling the debt because the debt is being
- 47:15devalued, because the people are waking up to the fact that the
- 47:19the data is not accurate and it's not just, you know, that's
- 47:22why the inflation number is so important.
- 47:25If anybody ever asked why are they so focused on inflation,
- 47:29inflation, inflation, because inflation plugs into everything.
- 47:32It plugs into real GDP, It plugs into real yields.
- 47:36It plugs into real sales. It's the inflation.
- 47:38Is the number that you subtract. From the nominal sales or GDP or
- 47:43yield to get the real number. So they're they want to
- 47:46manipulate the real number and in order to manipulate the real
- 47:49number. It's not it's not just about
- 47:51manipulating the nominal yields, it's about manipulating the
- 47:55deflator that you use the inflation number that's
- 47:58subtracted from that nominal number that gives the real
- 48:01number and that's that's where the marketplace incentives come
- 48:04from. So if if real yields are
- 48:07positive. And you can grow your purchasing
- 48:10power over time, then the marketplace is incentivizing you
- 48:14to save, right? If you can grow your purchasing
- 48:17power over time, then it makes sense to save, not to spend or
- 48:21invest. Save, because you can buy more
- 48:23tomorrow. But when the real rate of return
- 48:25is negative, the marketplace is incentivizing you to spend or
- 48:30invest because you're going to be able to buy less tomorrow.
- 48:33You'll be able to buy less food, smaller house, less shares of
- 48:37the company. Because the real rate is
- 48:38negative and it incentivizes you to spend or vest when the real
- 48:43rate is negative. So that's what's that's the
- 48:46breaking apart of the market right now.
- 48:48Some people in the market, you got the Ray Dalios and some some
- 48:52of these bigger guys coming out the Paul Tudor Jones and they're
- 48:55coming out and saying hey, we're not being compensated enough for
- 49:00this. So we don't want to hold, we
- 49:01don't want to hold the debt. Because the real rate of
- 49:03inflation is actually higher than what they're saying.
- 49:06Therefore my real yield is negative.
- 49:10Therefore I'm going to spend or I'm going to invest.
- 49:13I'm not going to save because I'm not gaining any purchasing
- 49:16power. I'm sending one Bitcoin and
- 49:18getting 0.95 back. I want to send one Bitcoin and
- 49:20get 1.1 Bitcoin back. I I need to increase my
- 49:23purchasing power, not decrease it.
- 49:26So that's what's really going on here with the manipulation of
- 49:29the inflation data. And that's why the focus is on
- 49:32the inflation data because it plugs into everything else in
- 49:36order for the marketplace to determine what those incentives
- 49:39are. And half the marketplace or
- 49:42maybe 3/4 of the marketplace believes the Fed and thinks the
- 49:45the rate is positive. And that's the $21 billion that
- 49:49piled into TLT, plus literally trillions of dollars that was
- 49:53lent directly to the government. And then the other half is
- 49:56saying, well, real yields are negative.
- 49:58So I'm not. I'm not going to lend my money.
- 50:00I'm going to spend it or invest it because I'll get more today
- 50:03than I will tomorrow. And that's where we that's where
- 50:05the marketplace is right now and it and we're on the brink.
- 50:09We are, we are on the brink of more people realizing it than
- 50:12not. And that's when everything will
- 50:14shift. That's the catalyst.
- 50:16Absolutely incredible. CJ, before I reel this back into
- 50:20Bitcoin, we are almost at the top of the hour.
- 50:22I told everyone we might go along.
- 50:23Me and CJ were chuckling about it.
- 50:25You did this tweet the other day and we've been constantly
- 50:28harping on a similar idea and you just kind of doubled down on
- 50:31it. We've been saying for a while on
- 50:32the show that World War Three is an information war and here you
- 50:35have a tweet. World War Three is an economic
- 50:38war and it's being fought in the field of finance.
- 50:40So maybe tie all this together. How does this relate in the
- 50:43global geopolitical sense of the words?
- 50:46And then we'll give some people some relief and talk about how
- 50:49Bitcoin fixes this. Yeah, absolutely.
- 50:52So the whole, the whole goal, see this is what I call the the
- 51:00Fiat perpetual war cycle and what happens is that the the
- 51:06currency marketplace, the FX marketplace, what it allows
- 51:09countries to do. Is to issue their debt and
- 51:12ultimately what that does is it creates demand for dollars.
- 51:16So basically because of dollar denominated debt, there's almost
- 51:21an unlimited bid on dollars. So what that does is at some
- 51:26point in time or another that demand hits the dollar.
- 51:29When the demand hits the dollar, DXY goes up.
- 51:32Well, when DXY goes up the the Treasury can issue more debt.
- 51:38And yeah, it'll make DXY go down, but it's really just
- 51:41offsetting the positive pressure that was created through all the
- 51:44dollar denominated debt. So if you keep going through
- 51:47that process, you you can fund war perpetually right because
- 51:51the country will issue a issue a treasury or a debt note and use
- 51:55that money to pay for the war and they'll issue it in the in
- 51:59the imagine, there's the FX market, it's the currency
- 52:02market. It's like, it's like Bitcoin.
- 52:03It's its own marketplace well. Governments have currency
- 52:07markets that are their own marketplace, and Fiat makes it
- 52:10possible. So the entire Fiat system is
- 52:13based on war. But what we're seeing right now
- 52:16is a World War between the parties within that system.
- 52:20So we have a perpetual war system, and then we have the
- 52:23parties within that system now fighting and jockeying for a
- 52:26position with each other. And the whole name of the game
- 52:29is for bricks who could never. Never beat the dollar.
- 52:34I mean I don't care what bricks does, there's nothing that they
- 52:37can do. Even if they back their currency
- 52:38with gold, it's not going to be it's not going to threaten the
- 52:41dollar because countries aren't issuing debt that creates demand
- 52:45on bricks currency. It's dollar denominated debt.
- 52:48And yeah this is, this is a just to show you a lot of people say
- 52:53that DXY, if you notice in 2021 we had all time high inflation,
- 52:58right. But what was the dollar doing?
- 53:00It went up. It went up.
- 53:02Look, when the Fed started raising interest rates, well,
- 53:04have they stopped raising interest rates?
- 53:06No. But look at the channel that we
- 53:08were in. Up until recently it was going
- 53:10down. So we had disinflation or we had
- 53:12inflation at a slower rate and DXY went down.
- 53:16Be careful out there here to listen to who's who's people
- 53:18that use DXY to try to see what price trends are going to happen
- 53:22for assets or what's going to happen with inflation.
- 53:25Because, you know, when the dollar went up, you'd think
- 53:27prices would go down, but at the same time the dollar went up.
- 53:31We had all time high inflation and then starting in October,
- 53:35something happened, the trend changed and we had disinflation,
- 53:39right. Official inflation went down
- 53:41from 9 all the way down to where we are now, but the dollar went
- 53:43down too. So you have to be careful where
- 53:46you're looking at here. And that neckline there is the
- 53:48head and shoulders pattern and we and actually the updated
- 53:51chart is we've broken below that.
- 53:52So the dollar is getting a little bit weaker right now and
- 53:56I think that's because people are anticipating that they're
- 53:58going to lower rates, but. They're not going to lower rates
- 54:01because they're they're trying to fight the prices, right.
- 54:03So that goes back to the original conversation we had.
- 54:06And as they're fighting those rates, they're issuing
- 54:09treasuries. The rest of the world, the World
- 54:12War Three, is economic and being fought in the field of finance
- 54:15because the rest of the world sees what's happening and is
- 54:18saying, well, we can't beat the dollar, but what we can do is we
- 54:21can reduce the amount of demand on the dollar.
- 54:24And that's really their strategy.
- 54:25Their goal is let's reduce the amount of demand on the dollar.
- 54:30And as they reduce the overall amount of demand on the dollar,
- 54:34slowly but surely like a war of attrition and at the same time
- 54:38the United States government is increasing the supply.
- 54:42Well look the the natural laws of economics that apply equally
- 54:46all over the world tell us that when supply goes up and demand
- 54:49goes down, price goes down. So yields are going to
- 54:53skyrocket, yields are going to go up because as the as the note
- 54:55and bond prices go down because the supply is going up.
- 54:58At the same time, the demand is going down the bond and no
- 55:01prices are going to go down, which pushes the yield up.
- 55:04So there's really nothing that they can that they can do except
- 55:10control the narrative and maintain people's trust.
- 55:13And that's why I think it's important for people to start
- 55:15talking about Financial COVID, because we have a data problem
- 55:19here and if we can fix this data problem.
- 55:22Like a fallen Angel standing in front of God, we'll be able to
- 55:26see through the facade. We will be able to see that that
- 55:29is not a real Angel, it's a fallen Angel.
- 55:31We'll be able to see that the the economy is not that strong.
- 55:34We're actually we were in an artificial depression.
- 55:38We're since then we've been in recession and by the end of the
- 55:42year if GD, if real GDP doesn't turn positive we will be in a
- 55:46real depression. And then the next the next step
- 55:49of that is. Well, are they going to let
- 55:51everything fall apart? They're not going to let
- 55:54everything fall apart. If they were going to let
- 55:56everything fall apart, it would have already fell apart in
- 55:58March, right? The banks are already bankrupt.
- 56:02Everybody's sitting around like, oh, everything's OK.
- 56:04Nothing crazy happened. The banks are bankrupt.
- 56:07Your money's gone. They took your money, they went
- 56:10out the yield curve. And then and then all of that
- 56:13mark to market value is gone. So they have a couple of
- 56:15accounting trips where where Oh well we're not going to sell
- 56:18that 30 year bond until we have to.
- 56:21So it's so we mark it down as a whole to maturity value.
- 56:24So yeah, even though it's a billion dollar bond and right
- 56:27now it's only worth 600 million. Well we we don't care on our
- 56:33book, it's still worth a billion on our book.
- 56:36That bond is still backing 1 billion dollars of our customers
- 56:40deposits. Right.
- 56:41So in March when the customers came back and said, hey, we want
- 56:43our money because you're paying us 0.1% and this money market
- 56:48fund is going to offer me 5%. So I want my money, I want to
- 56:52take my money over to them where I can get 5 instead of 0.1.
- 56:55Well, the banks where they supposed to get the money, they
- 56:58have to sell the collateral, the the not pristine collateral that
- 57:02lost all its value, they have to sell it.
- 57:04Well, they have to sell it at a loss, right.
- 57:06So hold to maturity, Accounting only works until it doesn't.
- 57:10And that's why the Federal Reserve, if they were going to
- 57:13let everything D lever, if they were going to take the leverage
- 57:16out of the system, if we were going to experience deflationary
- 57:19price action, it would have happened in March because they
- 57:22would have never created the bank term funding program.
- 57:24The Bank term funding program from the Federal Reserve said.
- 57:28Hey guys, we know that you need the money for for your asset in
- 57:33order to cover your customers deposit liabilities.
- 57:37And we also understand that if you took that asset and went to
- 57:40market, you would, you would go bankrupt, you're insolvent.
- 57:43So in order to keep you from failing, you can just bring that
- 57:47collateral to us and we're going to pretend that it's pristine,
- 57:51we're going to pretend that it's, it's par value.
- 57:55So yeah, that bond that you paid a billion dollars for is now
- 58:00only worth 600 million. But if you come to us?
- 58:04We'll let you borrow from that. We'll let you, you use it as
- 58:06collateral and we'll value it at par.
- 58:08We'll value it at the billion. That way the bank could get the
- 58:11full billion that they needed to give to their customers.
- 58:14So they could go where they wanted to go.
- 58:17And that bank term funding program is the proof that if
- 58:20they wanted the system to delever, if they wanted to
- 58:22create a deflationary scenario, then that's when they would have
- 58:25let it happen. But they didn't.
- 58:27They created the program and they they maintained the status
- 58:30quo. And a lot of people say, well,
- 58:32what's that mean? CJ Like what?
- 58:34How can they do that? How is this happening?
- 58:36Why is it happening? That's because we don't live in
- 58:39a democracy anymore. We we had a Republic.
- 58:42It devolved into a democracy, and then it devolved into
- 58:46kleptocracy. And for people who don't know, a
- 58:48kleptocracy is simply a body of power elites who fight over the
- 58:54power of the purse. Right, because the government,
- 58:57through a vote, has the right to create money.
- 59:00They can print money out of thin air.
- 59:01And unfortunately, that's where we are right now.
- 59:03The politicians don't care about the people.
- 59:05They care about the people who pay their bills and get them
- 59:09elected and donate to them. So when they get those donations
- 59:13and they get that backing, they have a they make a promise to
- 59:16that person. Oh yeah, sure, no problem.
- 59:17We're going to get money for solar panels.
- 59:19We're going to do this. We're going to do that.
- 59:20And then when they get to DC, they talk to other politicians
- 59:23that say, well, look, I don't really give two craps about your
- 59:26constituents and you don't really give two craps about my
- 59:29constituents. But we have one thing in common.
- 59:31Your constituents need money and my constituents need money.
- 59:34So if you support me, I'll support you.
- 59:37That's how you get multi thousand page bills with all
- 59:40this different stuff. You'll you'll notice there's
- 59:42never a bill that passes with just one thing in it because not
- 59:46everybody in cares about that one person or that one thing.
- 59:49What they care about has to be included into the bill.
- 59:52So thousands of cares are are forced into these bills so that
- 59:56everybody gets a a piece of the treasure pot, a a piece of the
- 1:00:00Piggy Bank. No one person can get a piece of
- 1:00:03the Piggy Bank if you're going to reach in the Piggy Bank.
- 1:00:05We're all going to reach in the Piggy Bank at the same time and
- 1:00:08and that's how it works. So it's a kleptocracy.
- 1:00:11It's about a group of power brokers who have access to the
- 1:00:16printers basically and they sell that access to the printer and
- 1:00:20and. That's really where we're at
- 1:00:22right now. I don't think they want to
- 1:00:24destroy the system. I don't think they they want to
- 1:00:26do some big reset. I don't.
- 1:00:29I don't think they're that organized, or at least I hope
- 1:00:32and pray they're not that organized.
- 1:00:33I think it's just kleptocracy. It's everybody looking out for
- 1:00:37themselves to maintain the the status quo.
- 1:00:39Because as long as they can maintain the status quo, they
- 1:00:43all get to keep picking out of the Piggy Bank, right?
- 1:00:46If everybody's happy, even if we, even if we create some
- 1:00:48inflation, even if whatever the consequences are, they don't
- 1:00:52care. Because it's about maintaining
- 1:00:54the status quo, because the status quo is what allows them
- 1:00:57to keep picking from the Piggy Bank.
- 1:01:00If we adopt Bitcoin, if we the people step up and say we're not
- 1:01:03going to let you pick from the Piggy Bank anymore, well how are
- 1:01:05we going to do that? Are we going to do that?
- 1:01:07Violently? No, of course not.
- 1:01:09Most of us have families and kids and we just want to live
- 1:01:12life peaceably. We don't.
- 1:01:13We're not interested in in violence.
- 1:01:15Bitcoin is a peaceful revolution.
- 1:01:18And the and the reason is is because the way Bitcoin is
- 1:01:21created. It takes away their ability to
- 1:01:23raid the Piggy Bank, right? They can only ever spend what
- 1:01:27they collect in tax, They can't spend more and they can't create
- 1:01:32more Bitcoin and spend it into circulation.
- 1:01:34It takes away the power of the purse.
- 1:01:37It gets rid of this kleptocracy and gets those politicians back
- 1:01:41into the mindset of being a servant to We the people rather
- 1:01:45than stealing through inflation from We the people.
- 1:01:49And that's what that's why Bitcoin is the solution to the
- 1:01:52inflation problem. It takes away the power of the
- 1:01:54purse. And that's what's most important
- 1:01:56in a kleptocracy like we have today, the power of the purse.
- 1:02:00So the status quo is going to remain.
- 1:02:02They're always going to take the politically expedient solution
- 1:02:06because it maintains the status quo.
- 1:02:08Nobody wants to do the tough and right thing and let companies
- 1:02:11fail, right? Too big to fail.
- 1:02:13Where did that come from? Too big to fail came from well,
- 1:02:16shit, if they're too big to fail and then they actually fail, we
- 1:02:19lose the status quo. So we got to do what we we got
- 1:02:22to do to maintain the status quo.
- 1:02:24And in 2008 it was, it was pretty bad.
- 1:02:27But since COVID, it's it's it's it's gone to a whole nother
- 1:02:32level. It's gone to, I think, the
- 1:02:34dollar supply. Nobody really knows for sure,
- 1:02:37but based on my research, since 2020 the dollar supply has been
- 1:02:41expanded upwards of 80%. So it's no no rhyme or reason or
- 1:02:47wonder why prices keep going up. Even if even if inflation has
- 1:02:51gone down from 9% to 3.7%, that doesn't mean the prices went
- 1:02:55down. That means the prices are still
- 1:02:57going up. They're just going up a little
- 1:02:58bit slower. And the reason they're going up
- 1:03:00a little bit slower is because they raised interest rates and
- 1:03:02when they raised interest rates, the dollar gained a little bit
- 1:03:05of strength in there, right? So there was a, there was a
- 1:03:07temporary reprieve through the effects of raising interest
- 1:03:10rates. But now those effects are going
- 1:03:12away because they've, they've reached a cap, they've reached a
- 1:03:14limit on interest rates. And I think one more thing to
- 1:03:18kind of put the final nail in the coffin here, I have a tweet
- 1:03:21about a yield curve normalization.
- 1:03:24And I I want people to understand that because that's
- 1:03:27the signal I'm watching every morning.
- 1:03:29I look up and I look at the 10 year to three month yield curve
- 1:03:33because I know that once that yield curve normalizes.
- 1:03:38Is it? Is it this one?
- 1:03:39Let me see simply can't emphasize the doubt.
- 1:03:48How important you see your credit version.
- 1:03:49Let me see. Can you Scroll down a little
- 1:03:50bit? Because it's.
- 1:03:51I go by the. No, it's it's not that one.
- 1:03:58OK, I'll find it. It's, it's, it's got a, let me
- 1:04:04just describe what the normalization process is.
- 1:04:07So like we talked about earlier, while you're looking for that,
- 1:04:10the process of normalization is the long term rates going back
- 1:04:14above the short term rates, right.
- 1:04:17And actually to this day we've had the longest, steepest yield
- 1:04:22curve inversion between the 10 year treasury note and the three
- 1:04:26month treasury bill and it's recorded history.
- 1:04:29So what that's telling you is the marketplace has trusted the
- 1:04:33Fed, they trusted the Fed so much that it created the longest
- 1:04:38and the steepest yield curve inversion and it's recorded
- 1:04:41history. But if you go back and you look
- 1:04:43at the chart and and on that chart OPTI, it's like the 10
- 1:04:47year minus the three month. It's a Fred chart, there's two
- 1:04:50red lines. I talk about normalization and
- 1:04:55the there's what's called a interest rate spread, right.
- 1:04:58So it'll be the the difference between the three month bill
- 1:05:00rate and the 10 year note rate. Well, historically once the
- 1:05:05yield curve UN inverts the spread between the 10 year and
- 1:05:09the three month, it ranges between 2 and 4%.
- 1:05:14Well that's really important because right now the three
- 1:05:17month bill is at 5 1/2%. So if we get a normalization, in
- 1:05:22other words if the if enough people say I don't believe
- 1:05:25you're 2% inflation target, the Federal Reserve starts to lose
- 1:05:29control of the long end of the yield curve.
- 1:05:31Like in that one tweet his comment was trying to figure out
- 1:05:35what's happening with the long end of the curve.
- 1:05:37Can't just figure it out because he can't say out loud, oh people
- 1:05:40are starting to lose trust in US.
- 1:05:41People are starting to question our 2% target and as they
- 1:05:44question 2% target those yields have to rise because those
- 1:05:48people are looking for to be incentivized and to be
- 1:05:51incentivized the real rate has to be positive.
- 1:05:53So those yields have to keep going up.
- 1:05:55Well with the three month bill at 5 1/2%, if normalized the 10
- 1:06:03year would go all the way up. Yeah.
- 1:06:05So you could see the 10 years, the candles the three.
- 1:06:08The three month is the green line.
- 1:06:11If the if the candles go above the green line and the 10 year
- 1:06:14rate goes above the green rate, the historical spread.
- 1:06:18In other words, there's going to be a crash.
- 1:06:19Treasuries will sell off so fast that it will be hard to
- 1:06:24comprehend and and the IT will be 2 to 4%.
- 1:06:27So 5.5% + 2% is 7 1/2% and 5.5% + 4% right?
- 1:06:34For because that's the spread. 2 to 4% is 9 1/2%.
- 1:06:37So you'll see the 10 year note post normalization shoot to 7
- 1:06:431/2 all the way up to 9 1/2%. And remember about what we first
- 1:06:47talked about, the higher the rate goes, the larger the
- 1:06:51deficit. The larger the deficit, the more
- 1:06:53they need the print. The more they print, the larger
- 1:06:55the inflation number. The larger the inflation number,
- 1:06:57the more real yields go negative.
- 1:07:00So this is the debt, debt spiral that people are waking up to and
- 1:07:04that what you want to keep an eye on is actually OPTI.
- 1:07:08I know you can pull this up fast if you.
- 1:07:09If you pull up a tab and just type in Fred, Fred, 10 Year -3
- 1:07:16month and click enter, it should be the top result.
- 1:07:20And we'll be able to everybody will be able to at least
- 1:07:22visualize it and see what I'm talking about here.
- 1:07:26Because what this, this chart does.
- 1:07:28Yeah, beautiful. Now just zoom it all the way
- 1:07:29out, like at the bottom. Pull that.
- 1:07:31Yeah, go straight down. Pull that thing there all the
- 1:07:33way up There we go, OK. So what you'll see is, and
- 1:07:39actually what I want you to do is, is is pull that same bar
- 1:07:42back so that I can show people there that very first thing
- 1:07:44actually did go. So not that one, the one on the
- 1:07:46right. Pull that one on the right all
- 1:07:48the way back to like 1985, all the way back.
- 1:07:51Keep going, keep going, keep going.
- 1:07:52Good. OK.
- 1:07:54See how the see how the rate went.
- 1:07:55It did go negative there. So I just wanted people to, I
- 1:07:57don't want people to be like, hey, CJ, that didn't what you
- 1:08:00said wasn't true. No, there was an inversion and
- 1:08:02then there was recession. OK, So now you can zoom it all
- 1:08:04the way back out. I don't know why it does that.
- 1:08:07Because you know why the government can't even code
- 1:08:09charts, that's why. But it doesn't look like it was
- 1:08:11inverted there, but it was inverted there.
- 1:08:13So you have the inversion, the normalization, recession, and
- 1:08:16then in the in the 90s there, inversion, normalization,
- 1:08:19recession. The great Gray shaded areas are
- 1:08:22the recessions. Then in 2000, inversion,
- 1:08:25normalization, recession, inversion, normalization,
- 1:08:29recession. And then COVID, inversion,
- 1:08:31normalization, recession. So right, now look how steep
- 1:08:36that inversion was. That was the steepest inversion
- 1:08:40in the history of the recorded relationship between the 10 year
- 1:08:43and the three month. Now if you measure the amount of
- 1:08:46time of these inversions, right now we are in the longest
- 1:08:51lasting inversion in the recorded history of the 10 year
- 1:08:54and the three month. What does that mean?
- 1:08:56That means that the market has trusted the Fed.
- 1:08:59But what the Fed officials came out and said today is we can't
- 1:09:02understand this big V shape here.
- 1:09:04We don't understand why we're getting this V shaped design and
- 1:09:07we're heading back towards the zero line.
- 1:09:08Why are we heading towards normalization?
- 1:09:10Why are long term yields going up?
- 1:09:13Well, because the free market is calling your bluff.
- 1:09:15The free market is saying inflation isn't 2%.
- 1:09:17Therefore, in order for me to continue to lend to you, I need
- 1:09:20higher rates of return and they're going to sell that debt
- 1:09:23until it gets to the point of that rate of return being real.
- 1:09:28But then if they really know how to do the math, they're going to
- 1:09:31understand, Oh my God, when it goes up to 7 1/2 to 9 1/2%,
- 1:09:35well, the number I have to subtract from that 7 1/2 percent
- 1:09:39is going to be larger than what it is now.
- 1:09:41It can never get positive. They will never be able to make
- 1:09:44real yields positive. That is like the biggest piece
- 1:09:50of news that nobody is talking about.
- 1:09:52There's no way, because of the $34 trillion of debt, the 211
- 1:09:58trillion of unfunded liabilities that all need to be financed and
- 1:10:01rolled over, plus the ongoing deficit budget that they plan to
- 1:10:04continue to grow, there is no way to get the real yield to be
- 1:10:09a positive number. There's no way they're stuck.
- 1:10:13And this is what people need to understand.
- 1:10:14And once they do, it's you're not going to be able to get out
- 1:10:20of the dollar fast enough. You're going to see a crash.
- 1:10:23You're going to see yield shoot up to double digits and not just
- 1:10:261015%, they're going to go Weimar level 2030% yields.
- 1:10:31And unfortunately, some people will still get suckered in, but
- 1:10:34look no further than Argentina to understand that even if you
- 1:10:38put the interest rate above the rate, I think their interest
- 1:10:41rate is like 136%. But they're real.
- 1:10:45Now the government inflation rate is smaller.
- 1:10:47It's like 110%. But that's a lie.
- 1:10:48They're lying about their inflation rate too.
- 1:10:50Real inflation in Argentina is closer to like 200%.
- 1:10:54So it doesn't matter how much you raise the rate, you can
- 1:10:56literally be paying people 136% APY and it wouldn't matter
- 1:11:01because you're paying the APY with diluted tokens, with
- 1:11:05diluted Fiat currency coins that that have no real.
- 1:11:09You can't create value out of thin air, right.
- 1:11:11So they steal their value from all the existing tokens.
- 1:11:14That increases the inflation rate and lowers the real rate.
- 1:11:18That's where we are right now. That's what's important for
- 1:11:20people to understand. And if I were you, I would be
- 1:11:23keeping a eagle eye on the 10 year note rate minus the three
- 1:11:29month bill rate because when that normalizes that will be the
- 1:11:33catalyst to long term yields skyrocketing and then investors
- 1:11:38having to ask what the what the hell just happened, How did this
- 1:11:41just happen and what are the consequences and what are the
- 1:11:44real numbers, right, Because nobody, nobody really paid
- 1:11:47attention to, they're forced to pay attention.
- 1:11:49Just like nobody really cared that the banks were insolvent
- 1:11:51until people wanted to move their money from the banks to
- 1:11:53the money market funds. Then it mattered.
- 1:11:55Well, very soon it's going to matter that they don't have
- 1:11:58control of the yield curve. And if they try to do yield
- 1:12:01curve control, money printing, right, more inflation there.
- 1:12:05There's one solution. They have inflation, inflation,
- 1:12:08inflation, inflation, inflation. Not deflation, right.
- 1:12:10Everybody on the sidelines waiting in their money, waiting
- 1:12:13for deflation. We are in an inflationary
- 1:12:15recession. Remember the GDP chart?
- 1:12:18We're in a recession right now. We are about to be in a we're,
- 1:12:22we're in an artificial depression.
- 1:12:23I'm giving them that, OK, that -10 was because of lockdown.
- 1:12:26It's artificial, but real rate is negative.
- 1:12:29The real growth rate is negative.
- 1:12:30We have not had any economic growth at all.
- 1:12:34We've just been shrinking less and less.
- 1:12:36We're still trying to recover and they and they they're trying
- 1:12:40to take advantage of that. There's nothing they can do to
- 1:12:42get out of it. We're we're in an inflationary
- 1:12:45recession right now. Economic growth is negative and
- 1:12:48prices are still going up, J Pal told you himself.
- 1:12:52The costs are going up. The prices are going up.
- 1:12:55Maybe one day they'll have to sit down and ask Dang what
- 1:12:59causes more inflation, increase cost structures for businesses
- 1:13:03or lower interest rates? Because I think what we're going
- 1:13:07to find out is that increased cost structures anchor
- 1:13:11inflation. And that's that's not
- 1:13:14transitory. That's not transitory inflation.
- 1:13:16That inflation is not going away.
- 1:13:17If you have monetary inflation, then maybe there's something you
- 1:13:21can do to, to try to dampen it. But if you have structural
- 1:13:26inflation, it's not going away. And that's the that's the next
- 1:13:30inflation wave. The next wave of inflation is
- 1:13:32going to be based on the structural inflation through the
- 1:13:37cost structures of businesses and families and the government
- 1:13:40deficit increasing. And then and then they're going
- 1:13:42to lower rates and print more money.
- 1:13:43And you're going to get it from both sides.
- 1:13:45You're going to have structural sticky inflation, which isn't
- 1:13:49going to go away overnight. And then at the same time you're
- 1:13:51going to have monetary inflation and you're going to get a double
- 1:13:54dose of inflation and that will force the government to even
- 1:13:57admit to new all time highs of inflation even though they don't
- 1:14:01want to And they're incentivized not to tell you that, they'll
- 1:14:03still be forced to tell you that.
- 1:14:05And at some point in time, we have to break off of their data
- 1:14:08and and not take their interpretation of the data and
- 1:14:12get the real data so that we can understand what we are
- 1:14:16incentivized to do by the marketplace, which is always
- 1:14:19going to be based on the real yield, not the nominal, the real
- 1:14:22yield. So for everybody listening, make
- 1:14:24sure you're calculating your real yield so that you can
- 1:14:27understand how to position yourself and how to allocate
- 1:14:30your portfolio as we go through what the Fed is calling this
- 1:14:34hire for longer streak. Wow.
- 1:14:37Hold on. Absolutely incredible.
- 1:14:40Absolutely incredible. Haven't heard it like this, laid
- 1:14:44out so, so eloquently showing all the consequences, all the
- 1:14:47charts. Just to bring this back, we are
- 1:14:50at an hour and 15 minutes. Let's bring this back to Bitcoin
- 1:14:53at the end. It was just November 5th.
- 1:14:55Everyone you know knows to be remember, remember the 5th of
- 1:14:58November. And just to sum this up, and I
- 1:15:01do have a tweet here where you say Bitcoin is cheap.
- 1:15:04Let's connect Bitcoin. You know, you say it right here
- 1:15:06at the bottom. Bitcoin takes away the
- 1:15:07government's power of the purse and returns it to we the people,
- 1:15:10where it properly belongs. So absolutely love this.
- 1:15:14And CJ, thank you so much for coming on, but let's touch on
- 1:15:17Bitcoin for a moment. You also recently tweeted, is it
- 1:15:21this one? Yes, this one.
- 1:15:23Bitcoin is cheap. So let's connect all these
- 1:15:27thoughts together. How does Bitcoin fix this?
- 1:15:29Is it a good time to be buying Bitcoin?
- 1:15:31Should people be saving in Bitcoin?
- 1:15:34How do we wrap this up and put a bow tie into this for the people
- 1:15:37out there? Absolutely.
- 1:15:38And. And a fantastic question.
- 1:15:40I'll be fantastic. So actually what I'm going to
- 1:15:43ask you to do is I've been creating what I call rabbit
- 1:15:46holes. You'll notice in my tweets you
- 1:15:48might end up 6 or 7 pages deep because I keep, I keep quote
- 1:15:51tweeting on top of quote tweets to help you get down the rabbit
- 1:15:55hole. So go ahead and click that quote
- 1:15:57tweet there and then Scroll down to the bottom of that one and
- 1:16:01now click that one. There we go.
- 1:16:03OK, this is what we were talking about with cost structures,
- 1:16:07right? There's only one question you
- 1:16:09need to be answered to be a successful investor, and that
- 1:16:12is, is what I'm buying cheap. So in this case scenario, is
- 1:16:16Bitcoin cheap? Well, it's a simple rule.
- 1:16:19You buy whatever, you buy X when it's cheap, you sell it when
- 1:16:23it's expensive. So how do you know how to answer
- 1:16:26this question? My strategy is to take the
- 1:16:30producers cost of production, right?
- 1:16:32So if I'm looking at real estate and I know that this is a
- 1:16:36beautiful single family home, 4500 square feet, awesome piece
- 1:16:41of land and what it's going to cost $2,000,000 to replace this
- 1:16:46home, right? So there's no way, even if you
- 1:16:49had all the connections, you had a developer, you had
- 1:16:51contractors, you can't build this house for less than
- 1:16:54$2,000,000. So if the price of the house was
- 1:16:58less than $2,000,000, I would buy it without hesitation
- 1:17:01because the price is below the cost, the the price is below.
- 1:17:04In real estate, what they call the replacement cost.
- 1:17:07With Bitcoin, we call it the cost of production Satoshi, or I
- 1:17:11call it the cost of production Satoshi actually called it the
- 1:17:13cost of generating. So the cost of generating
- 1:17:17Bitcoin is your baseline. We need to know how much does it
- 1:17:20cost to generate a Bitcoin, because once you understand
- 1:17:24that, you go back to business one O 1.
- 1:17:27The miners can't sell you the Bitcoin for less than it cost
- 1:17:30you them to generate it. They'll go out of business.
- 1:17:33And if you believe in the value proposition of Bitcoin, if you
- 1:17:36believe that sovereign truth money is a is a valuable
- 1:17:40proposition to your life, well then you're going to pay above
- 1:17:44the cost because you have to and if you don't, well the the
- 1:17:47economic consequences will hit you.
- 1:17:49So what you see here in this chart is the red place, that red
- 1:17:54what I call a price cloud, right.
- 1:17:56And the top of the price cloud is the all in cost of
- 1:17:59production. This is based on an average and
- 1:18:02this is based on worldwide. So you know there's probably a
- 1:18:04few institutional miners who are not paying these prices and this
- 1:18:10is an older chart. So what I want to show you
- 1:18:12through this chart before we go back to the other one OPTI is
- 1:18:14what is the commodity cycle, right.
- 1:18:16Bitcoin is commoditized energy in the form of money and price
- 1:18:19discovery is a commodity cycle. So when the price is in the at
- 1:18:23the top of the Red Cloud which is the average all in cost of
- 1:18:26production, that's called fair value.
- 1:18:28You can see that marked in orange when price goes to a
- 1:18:31discount to the all in cost of production.
- 1:18:34It's like when that company sends you a coupon, you can buy
- 1:18:37it for less, you can buy it for cheaper.
- 1:18:39It's when you want to buy when the price is in the Red Cloud
- 1:18:43because it's less than the all in average cost of production.
- 1:18:46That's your discount zone. So you want to buy Bitcoin when
- 1:18:49it's cheap and it's discount zone and when it's at fair
- 1:18:52value. Yeah, you can continue to stack,
- 1:18:53you're getting a fair deal. But what happens when the price
- 1:18:56goes way above the Red Cloud? It goes into what called a price
- 1:19:00premium, right? So now imagine that $2,000,000
- 1:19:03house isn't for sale for 1.8, it's not below cost, It's not
- 1:19:06below replace, It's not a good deal anymore.
- 1:19:08It's not cheap. It's expensive because now it's
- 1:19:10listed for 4 million. It's it's twice the amount of
- 1:19:13the replacement cost. So what you'll see is price goes
- 1:19:16from premium to fair value to discount, back to fair value to
- 1:19:20premium to fair value to discount.
- 1:19:23And it's a cycle that is the Bitcoin commodity cycle.
- 1:19:26Now one thing I want to point out here, look what happened
- 1:19:29there in the the bear, the bear market of 2018.
- 1:19:35You see how price went down into the Red Cloud there in 2018.
- 1:19:39It was at a discount, it was super cheap at price was in the
- 1:19:42Red Cloud and then look what happened during COVID.
- 1:19:45Price was kind of right above the cloud and and you know why
- 1:19:49it was at fair value because look, what the halving did.
- 1:19:51That black line is the halving. Look what happened to the price
- 1:19:53cloud because of the halving. The halving is a is the catalyst
- 1:19:57to a new price discovery cycle because the cost for miners
- 1:20:01double overnight. You can see the cloud, it
- 1:20:03doubled overnight because the rewards go down -50% and that
- 1:20:07translates to a doubling of cost.
- 1:20:09Well, where did price go? It went right back to where it
- 1:20:12needed to be, right back where the miners needed it to be.
- 1:20:15To be to to be in business, right.
- 1:20:17Because you can't buy it. You can't sell it for less than
- 1:20:20it cost you. You go out of business.
- 1:20:21So that's now go back to the original tweet you're in.
- 1:20:24So people understand the commodity cycle because here's
- 1:20:27where we are today. Now you can make that chart
- 1:20:29bigger because this is boom right there.
- 1:20:32Look where price is, guys? Where's price Is price above the
- 1:20:36price cloud. No price is in the price cloud.
- 1:20:39Bitcoin is as cheap today as it was during the 2018 bear market.
- 1:20:45Bitcoin is as cheap today as it was during the 2020 liquidity
- 1:20:51crisis. Bitcoin is cheap, cheap, cheap
- 1:20:54today relative to its cost of production.
- 1:20:57And if you know what's happening with hash rate, hash rate is
- 1:21:00going parabolic. We talked about it between the
- 1:21:03comparison between Bitcoin and gold.
- 1:21:04When hash rate price drives hash rate, hash rate drives
- 1:21:07difficulty. Difficulty drives cost, Cost
- 1:21:10increases the floor price. This is the store of value
- 1:21:14mechanism that was engineered into Bitcoin and what you're
- 1:21:17seeing with that red place floor growing.
- 1:21:20Notice what happened after the China mining ban right there in
- 1:21:23in the first big fall from that 65,000 peak, where did the price
- 1:21:28come back down to? It came down to fair value
- 1:21:31because the miners had to sell everything they could to
- 1:21:34relocate. But did they sell at a loss?
- 1:21:36Hell no. They sold down to fair value.
- 1:21:39And then what happened when they stopped selling?
- 1:21:41Price went right back up to large premiums.
- 1:21:44And then the Federal Reserve announced their interest rate
- 1:21:46hikes. Where'd it come back down to
- 1:21:48fair value? Because we didn't know if they
- 1:21:49were bluffing or not. Then in March when they finally
- 1:21:52started raising the interest rate there at the end of March,
- 1:21:54where did it go? We went to discount range.
- 1:21:56We really went, we entered the bear market for real when they
- 1:21:59really started raising interest rates.
- 1:22:00BTC is a commodity. It's commoditized energy in the
- 1:22:03form of money and it's price discovery cycle is a commodity
- 1:22:07cycle. Right now we are at the point of
- 1:22:10maximum opportunity prices in the discount zone, prices in the
- 1:22:15range where you want to buy it because it's cheap relative to
- 1:22:18its cost. Very soon that is going to move
- 1:22:21up and actually the bottom of that price cloud is, is about
- 1:22:23$22,000. So in April when the halving
- 1:22:27hits, guess what happens, the bottom of the price cloud double
- 1:22:31S, it's going to go to $44,000. So here, right here, right now,
- 1:22:36if you have the ability to make a bet on what the price of
- 1:22:40Bitcoin is going to be by the halving, well, maybe it'd be a
- 1:22:43good idea to say the price is going to be around $44,000
- 1:22:46because if it's not, the miners are going to be in a lot of
- 1:22:48trouble, right? This, this worked for me
- 1:22:50perfectly during the 2020 halving, and it's going to work
- 1:22:54perfectly here because it's a natural law of economics.
- 1:22:57I expect price to be at $44,000 minimum going into the April
- 1:23:03halving because that's where price needs to be.
- 1:23:05Just like you can see there during we had the Coronavirus
- 1:23:08crisis, it went down into the cloud.
- 1:23:10It bounced up violently to be at the bottom of the cloud for the
- 1:23:14halving. Well, price can be anywhere
- 1:23:16within the cloud at the time of the halving, the top of this
- 1:23:19clouds around $36,000. So it's it's a bit of a spread
- 1:23:22there. But historically price starts
- 1:23:25out at the bottom of the cloud works its way up trying to break
- 1:23:28out a fair value and notice what it did.
- 1:23:30It took about four to six months after the 2020 halving.
- 1:23:33People were trying to figure out what's going on here.
- 1:23:35What's taking so long? We had to get out of the fair
- 1:23:38value range, the accumulation, the once that stopped, look what
- 1:23:42happened to price. It went parabolic to premiums.
- 1:23:45Who sold into those premiums? The miners.
- 1:23:48Who's? Where'd they sell it down to
- 1:23:49fair value? When they stopped selling, what
- 1:23:52happened? Premiums.
- 1:23:53Who sold into it? Probably macro.
- 1:23:55Probably miners as well when they when they started raiding
- 1:23:58interest rates. Where'd we go?
- 1:23:58Discount When the halving happens in April, the cost of
- 1:24:01production on the electric side on the bottom of the price cloud
- 1:24:04will be at least 44,000. That's that's where price is
- 1:24:07going to be minimum in order for miners to maintain their
- 1:24:10business model and in order for people to to believe the value
- 1:24:14proposition of Bitcoin. If you want to benefit from the
- 1:24:18value proposition of Bitcoin after the April 2024 halving,
- 1:24:21it's going to cost you at least 44,000 because no mine are in
- 1:24:24their right mind. Maybe there's some a few dumb
- 1:24:26ones out there, but nobody in their right mind is going to
- 1:24:29sell you it for less than it cost to produce.
- 1:24:31And the best of the best are going to be at the bottom of the
- 1:24:33price cloud, whereas the retail is more towards the top of the
- 1:24:36price cloud. But right now, Bitcoin is cheap.
- 1:24:39So don't use psychological price points like 40,050 thousand,
- 1:24:4460,000 to determine whether or not Bitcoin is cheap or not.
- 1:24:48You have to form a baseline, and that baseline is the cost, and
- 1:24:52you look at the market price relative to the cost.
- 1:24:55Bitcoin is cheap. Buy as much Bitcoin as you can
- 1:24:57when it's cheap, because premiums will come.
- 1:25:00That's part of the commodity cycle.
- 1:25:03Wow. Hold on for everyone in the chat
- 1:25:05here, you guys. Let's see.
- 1:25:10That's called motherfucking plants of applause.
- 1:25:12Wow, CJ Well. I'm sure we could sit here for
- 1:25:16another hour and a half, but let's let's let's end it on this
- 1:25:21note, I I think we gave the audience a lot of food for
- 1:25:25thought there and and this will give me an excuse to bring you
- 1:25:28back on sooner than later. So I don't know, we'll have to
- 1:25:31figure out what what's a good time maybe just the beginning of
- 1:25:33the year once the once this fourth quarter four ends.
- 1:25:37We'll, we'll update this and we'll see where we are and of
- 1:25:40course we'll bring you back on around the halving.
- 1:25:42We might have to just make CJA regular.
- 1:25:44I know you're going to make content soon, but man.
- 1:25:48Absolutely. Mind blown.
- 1:25:49I know for a fact I'm going to have to re listen to this one,
- 1:25:51but I I think at the end there what what more do we need to say
- 1:25:55guys, you need to buy Bitcoin. But of course CJ, I'll give you
- 1:25:58the floor. Last youth sat on this
- 1:26:01conversation so we could tie this up.
- 1:26:03And then of course we'll let you go on your way and go hang out
- 1:26:06with your family and all that good stuff.
- 1:26:08Well, thank you so much for having me, Opti.
- 1:26:10I really appreciate it. I love your audience, I love
- 1:26:12your platform, and you do a really good job of steering me.
- 1:26:15Everybody here knows I can go on and on.
- 1:26:17So thank you for doing that and for pulling up all those charts,
- 1:26:20helping everybody understand not only through words but also
- 1:26:23visually what's happening because right now is the most
- 1:26:27important time in the history of finance.
- 1:26:31Never before have the debts been this large.
- 1:26:33Never before have the debt issuers that are the government
- 1:26:37been in this position, never before have higher yields passed
- 1:26:41through as higher costs. We're seeing a a change in the
- 1:26:45marketplace and the smart money is starting to figure it out
- 1:26:48now. So if you're on the sidelines
- 1:26:51thinking that we're going to get some type of depression, the the
- 1:26:54probability of A of a small pullback of a of some type of
- 1:26:58liquidity crisis event, it exists.
- 1:27:00Absolutely it exists. We could get another March 2020
- 1:27:03moment, but the reaction to that moment is going to be
- 1:27:08inflationary, not to allow the system to fall apart and crash
- 1:27:12and burn because then they lose the status quo.
- 1:27:14So just remember the ultimate goal of these people who have
- 1:27:18the decision making power is to maintain the status quo.
- 1:27:21Don't let the macro interpretation affect your
- 1:27:24strategy. Understand the real rate of
- 1:27:26return. Understand that bitcoins
- 1:27:29compounding annual growth rate over the last 10 years is 70%.
- 1:27:34So unless there's some type of debt instrument that is paying
- 1:27:37you 70% with, I don't know anything could pay that with the
- 1:27:41amount of risk that would be involved with that kind of
- 1:27:44yield. But bitcoins 10 year compounding
- 1:27:47annual growth rate is 70%, so it doesn't really matter if
- 1:27:51inflation is 5%. Ten percent, 15 percent, 20% say
- 1:27:56inflation goes to 20%. You're still going to increase
- 1:27:59your your purchasing power on a 10 year timeline.
- 1:28:02Roughly about 50% year over year in Bitcoin.
- 1:28:05You can't get that opportunity anywhere else.
- 1:28:08Bitcoin is the apex predator of how to store value.
- 1:28:11It was engineered to be that way.
- 1:28:14Now's the time to be telling your friends and family about
- 1:28:17what's going on. Now's the time to be paying
- 1:28:19attention. On my YouTube channel, I put
- 1:28:21together an orange pill playlist for the holidays.
- 1:28:25So check those videos out. They're all like a couple
- 1:28:28minutes long because I know you know, nobody's going to be at
- 1:28:30dinner. Like, hey, watch this video,
- 1:28:31it's an hour long. It's impossible.
- 1:28:33These are all videos that are 90 seconds.
- 1:28:35Two or three minutes can show it to a family or member and just
- 1:28:38kind of let them have that mind explode moment where like I
- 1:28:43never heard it that way. I never thought so I got a bunch
- 1:28:45of them in there. Use it this holiday season and
- 1:28:47use it out of love because this is a peaceful revolution.
- 1:28:51Bitcoin is bringing us to a prosperous future with correct
- 1:28:54incentives and proper free market economics.
- 1:28:58Not this manipulated fake growth, inflation, data
- 1:29:02manipulation system that we're in now, which is coming to an
- 1:29:05end. Don't let anybody tell you it's
- 1:29:07not coming to an end. All the bells are going off, all
- 1:29:10the whistles are going off and people who know what are going
- 1:29:13on are doing. I might seem a little bit crazy,
- 1:29:15but you got to realize I've been saying this for I've been wrong
- 1:29:18for nine years, but now I'm right.
- 1:29:20So I've been. I've been wrong for a long time
- 1:29:22and warning people about inflation.
- 1:29:24Inflation is 2%. CJ Who cares?
- 1:29:26Who cares? Yeah, but now they've lost
- 1:29:28control of the yield. Now they've lost control of the
- 1:29:31ability to incentivize people with higher yields.
- 1:29:34Now that you understand this, simplify it down.
- 1:29:37Comment to me, Share with me. Let's work together to wake up
- 1:29:40our family and friends, because this train is coming and nothing
- 1:29:43can stop it. Absolutely incredible.
- 1:29:46Great for the audience out there.
- 1:29:49CJ what is your YouTube channel link?
- 1:29:52You know, I I think it's just at CJ Constantino's, just like my
- 1:29:55Twitter, just at CJ Constantino's.
- 1:29:58Sweet. Well, CJ, all us ADIQS are mind
- 1:30:02blown right now we're like, OK, I am.
- 1:30:04I just so lucky that I hold Bitcoin and really you know.
- 1:30:10There has been a lot of macro talk recently and and it seems
- 1:30:13like Bitcoin is becoming even more macro involved.
- 1:30:16And you know there's the meme on Bitcoin Twitter, like macro,
- 1:30:18macro, macro, everything's macro.
- 1:30:19People are getting upset about it, but it's becoming very
- 1:30:22obvious to anyone paying attention that Bitcoin is the
- 1:30:26solution and hey, they are also looking for the solution.
- 1:30:30Anyone that sees the problem is looking for a solution.
- 1:30:33So of course. Roads lead to Bitcoin.
- 1:30:35So here we are. I I don't think I've, I've heard
- 1:30:38a a better storytelling narrative about the facts and
- 1:30:41what's going on and just painting a picture that that
- 1:30:45does seem very dark and bleak. Yet if we didn't have Bitcoin,
- 1:30:51that would be bad. That would be bad 100%,
- 1:30:54absolutely incredible. CJ, Well, really appreciate you
- 1:30:57coming on and educating our audience.
- 1:31:00In the meantime, we'll bring you on as many times as possible.
- 1:31:03Guys, let me know what you guys want.
- 1:31:05Send me questions. CJ, if they have questions for
- 1:31:07you, we can do AQ and A where we can cover everything from front
- 1:31:11to back. Anyway, CJ, hang out in the back
- 1:31:14for a moment. Sweet.
- 1:31:15Hang out in the back for a moment while I wrap this up and
- 1:31:18we'll talk about this, guys. Absolutely incredible.
- 1:31:22Incredible. RIP today, shouts out to CJCJ
- 1:31:26Constantinos on Twitter or X on YouTube.
- 1:31:30I highly recommend you guys follow his Twitter because he
- 1:31:34lays this stuff out for you guys basically every single day.
- 1:31:38Yet me, I am a vocal oral visual learner.
- 1:31:43So you know, I can read it and I'm like, yeah, this makes
- 1:31:45sense, but when someone explains it to you, it just hits that
- 1:31:48much harder And and we connected all the dots for you guys.
- 1:31:50So like share, subscribe, send this to your normie friends,
- 1:31:53send this to your parents, send this to your macro financial
- 1:31:57advisor. That's like you're an idiot bit
- 1:31:58corner. Because I think, I don't think
- 1:32:01they're going to beat this analysis anyways, guys, Peace
- 1:32:03out. We will be back tomorrow for our
- 1:32:05normal show. What a rip.
- 1:32:07What a rip. All right, peace out.