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Interview w/ Master Collector Darren Rovell · The Major Wrestling Figure Podcast

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Yeah podcast on the show Food March Job. Hey, everybody, welcome to
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a special bonus edition of the Major Wrestling Figure Podcast. I am the producer,
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Mark Sterling. Here, I'm, of course, joined by the illustrious
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host of the Major Wrestling Figure Podcast. Right, guys, well, I'm
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here always ready. Matt Cardona, Brian the most professional wrestler, Brian Myers.
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What's up everybody? But we got a big very guest today, big
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guest, A big get my guest. I got return the return mister Darren
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Ravel, the very controversial in our uh, in our collecting world. I
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love you so, I don't know what the controversy is about. And you
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want fifty per as wrestlers, you want more than fifty percent of people to
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hate you. Right, there's my guy, a little heat, which I'm
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not. I am not. Listen, the worst thing you can have is
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for you to be right down the middle these days. That means you're irrelevant,
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you're not making money, and no one cares about you. Well,
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I'll tell you that. That's the name of my game. Pat you're your
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name and my Hey, you know, the first return guest on the show.
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I here. Yeah, we're not We're not that typically a guest podcast
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R and we're a definitive interview podcast because that's because that's because I bring it
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and will I will prove it again tonight. Yes, I mean we had
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to have you on. We're going to talk about the Tom Brady controversy.
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You know, we brought it up. We we we mentioned you last week.
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I figured we got to have you onstead of trying to put words into
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your mouth paraphrace what you said, let's just let's just talk about it.
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Maybe if you can give it one who hasn't listened, maybe they don't know,
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kind of catch up then catch up up to speed in your in your
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view and your terms. So everyone is at fault here, okay, because
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what happened is Fanatics. Obviously. I think Tom Brady will make about five
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million dollars this year from Fanatics, which is the most any athlete has made
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in a single year from from a signing from signing exclusive deals. Now Fanatics
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has an exclusive but you know, every once in a while, Tom,
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we don't want to bother you. We're going to look the other way.
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Now, why would they do this, Well, because Tom's got other business
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and we're not going to stop him. From doing other business. And in
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October of twenty twenty three when he went to Mexico, he did this deal
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where he was speaking and then they said, all right, let's throw in
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one hundred autographs in one hundred pictures now in Mexico. The autographs, as
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I found out, we're autographs on hats and useless things and little trinkets in
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this and that they were not worried about it. But then what happened was
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when he does to do this, he does this motivational speech in Miami,
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half the tickets were sold or half the VIP tickets were sold to or this
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guy was a partner of the main guy. And he goes out to the
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memorabilia hounds, and he goes out to the Boston guys who have all the
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great Brady stuff and says, hey, Fanatics is going to charge a ten
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thousand dollars to put it on a game news item that Brady sign a game
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news item. For thirty six hundred, you get the speech, a photo
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in an auro. Now, so that's the opportunist part here, where these
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guys know that it's not exactly closure. Okay, let let's call a spade
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a spade here. It's not exactly kosher what's going on. And so Tom
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does his speech and he takes the photo, and then he goes and he
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does the whole autograph thing. He walks in the room, no one is
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in there, and he'd hey, settle down. So he's he's he's just
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like, he sees these items, and to be honest with you, he
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definitely wasn't expecting it right, Like these items, I don't I think he
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knows what they are, the way that they're labeled. You guys know when
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you sign stuff, you know what is yours, what you use, what's
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special, it's not special, Come on, come on, Okay. So
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he sees this stuff and I think immediately it's like, well, I got
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a contract to sign on hundred autos, I should just do it. So
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part of me is not. I don't think Tom is like, Oh,
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let's f these guys, let's scribble, let's be Tornado Tom and go through
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all these things and destroy game used stuff. I don't think that was his
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intention. He probably should have taken a breath and said, I'm not going
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to sign this. This is not the spirit of the contract that I signed.
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I was supposed to sign a couple things, and now these guys from
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Boston have come and so I think you know, so that he ruined some
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items. These guys are angry, and you know Tom's getting blitzed on which
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you know, there's definitely some fault there. There's a lot of fault to
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the conference and there's some fault to the collectors. They they knew they were
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taking a chance. So let's not act like you weren't taking a chance.
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Yeah, I think we said at the bat, he either signs them all
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correctly or doesn't sign them at all. Yes, you know, but also
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these fans, they're innocent in the sense that their items are ruined, but
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they knew, they knew they were getting involved in this. A little too
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good to be true here, yes, But right on the flip side,
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you just said Tom knew the value of these items. I think Tom did
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know the value. So for him to not take his time and give a
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nice signature on something that he knows is oh borderline. The replaceable is the
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conscious decision that he made. Yeah, yeah again again, I do think
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you guys know, people come to you, people come to stars, and
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a lot of what you do is situational. The fan complains that you are
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a jerk off. Well guess what, you just came from somewhere else.
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And it's like, you know, they're analyzing its like this is their one
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time meeting you. It can't be one hundred percent every time. And so,
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you know, I think he was coming off a speech. I think
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he really believed this the speech was the main act. That's what I said.
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Yeah, yeah, And so he's in the moment and I think he's
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quickly surprised and then he makes a bad decision and I'm not you know,
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collectors are like you're supposed to protect us, you cover collecting and that I'm
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trying to just call it as it is. Like they spoke to fanatics and
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they said game use items are ten thousand, this is thirty six hundred.
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So and then you know, there's never a guarantee that things are going to
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work out. Everyone wants to autograph everything. Alan Iverson took an Allen Iverson
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ray Allen debut that I had which ticket which is not easy to get,
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and he like tested the pen on it. She's about and then they call
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and it's literally the only NBA debut where two Hall of Famers debuted in the
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same school, and they called me. They're like, hey, what do
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you pay for the ticket? I'm like, but I waited it two years,
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like and I got it a long time ago. Well would you pay
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three hundred? But yeah, but what is it? What was it worth?
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Right? Like you know, and now it's destroyed and we have to
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take it out of the population. So yeah, So so when you autograph,
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it's always a it's always a crapshoot. So how much is a Tom
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Brady autograph? Like if he was just putting it on an eight by ten?
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Like, let let's say if you bought three thirty six this for the
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thing and it was now through fanatticts and eight by ten might be eight eight
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ninety nine and that's with no decimal point. Okay, Okay, So that
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is that is definitely cheaper than thirty six hundred dollars if you want to get
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him to sign it on it. Yeah, But then if you want to
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get him to sign it on a ticket, now it's five thousand Holy spell
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game game used ten thousand. Wow, So there was some tickets here,
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there was gaming used items, but weren't there also some things that he flat
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out did not sign, like some cards. He didn't sign cards because that
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expressly says he had in his fanatics deal he can never sign cards. And
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I'm sure fanatics said don't sign cards. I'm sure you said that. What's
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and those guys not lucky, those guys lucked out? Yeah, right,
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imaginely to face the rookie or something. Yeah, exactly. Man, it's
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such an interesting topic because there's so many opinions and none of us are right.
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Right. It's all our opinions, you know, And I could you
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know at the airport. We were telling this story last week. If I'm
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at the airport and some quote unquote fan is shoving something to my face,
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they're getting a Tornado Matt autograph. You know what I'm saying. They are.
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But if they're coming at a signing and they're pain they're looking at the
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eye to eye, of course I'm taking my time. But let me let
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me show you the one autograph I didn't ask for. Man, that's great,
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those listen, says Johnnie Johnny Manzell. Uh, because I was I
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was trying. I almost got it. I only got him ineligible for a
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half a quarter after his Heisman season. For him, he is perpetually Uh,
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angry at me. So that's that's one. That's the one I didn't
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ask for. So, but that's probably worth more than at right. Well,
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this is a this is a one of one day, That's what I'm
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saying. And I feel like this Brady situation has a similar you know what
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if to it, Like autograph autographs are tough, uh I That's why I
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enjoy, you know, collecting the autographs of dead people. You know it
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it helps you know nothing's ever gonna happen to them, you know they're dead.
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You talk about all the time the importance of a historical situation, historical
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night. Could these Tornado Tom items be worth money? Now? You don't
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think so. I don't think that this will turn into some kind of like
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oh remember the Tornado Tom saying oh you have something from that. Let's you
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know, you don't think it's gonna know, no way, no way.
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I do feel like it's already lost some steam, you know. I kind
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of wonder what's what's next. Like people are like, is Tom gonna like
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have a make good? Are these guys gonna sue? Who were they suing?
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Like suing the conference I who was selling them was kind of like an
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offshoot was an official like, I don't know if they have messages or something
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with that guy saying, hey, come to this and pay thirty six hundred
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you can get whatever you want signed. I'll guarantee you. And they definitely
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have messages. I'm not there. I'm not justifying this one bit. If
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you look at the ad, right, this is in Miami, Florida,
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correct, Like the number is like a Mexico phone number. It doesn't that
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like scream like red flag right like comes he as Tom Brady price too good
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to be true. Oh by the way, the number is a zero six
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five four five four three. It has too many numbers, right, Yeah,
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there's not a little red flag like these These customers, these fans knew
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they were kind of walking that fine tightrope, you know, like it was
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a risk. Yes, it was paid thirty six hundred bucks. What do
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you think he should have done in this situation? Walked away? Walked away
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and not This is not this is not the spirit of what I signed.
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I was. I was going to do one hundred autographs and this is not
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a separate signing. This is not a paid signing. Yeah, this was
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a speech plus a couple extras. On some hats and pennants and trinkets,
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not anything from a Super Bowl. I feel like it should have been like
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a head shot eight by ten, not even like an NFL but you know,
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like motivational speech licensed. Yeah, and you think those guys would have
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got their money? You think that it's fair for those guys thirty six hundred
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bucks, you get an eight x ten the photo, And no, they
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wouldn't have. They wouldn't have participate, would have done because that's the whole
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gig. They were getting the deal. They were just getting a deal.
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Got it here, so they would have been pissed off either way. What
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do we got here? Dan? That is the best George Washington in the
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world. God put that on. It's from seventeen ninety nine, two months
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before he died. So what is it on. It's on an envelope now
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from seventeen seventy three to I think eighteen seventy three. If you got a
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dignitary to sign your envelope, you did not have to pay postage. So
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some guy was like, hey, George, George, sign the envelope,
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so I don't have to pay one cent postage to mail this to Captain Abraham
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Shepherd. All that handwriting is unbelievable. On that you want you want,
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you want to see all that, Henry. So this is this is uh,
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this is actually look at this handwriting. This handwriting is stupid. You
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can you can cut this if you want. But this is great stuff,
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all right. So this is so. In in seventeen ninety, this guy
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named William Bell got bad salt in the harbor and he was like, I'm
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not paying taxes on this shit? Are you kidding me? I can't even
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sell it. So they're like, you must go to Hamilton, and here
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comes Alexander Hamilton. Sure, I have received your letters of the twentieth instant
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in closing one to you from mister William Bell of the same date. The
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certificates mentioned in the letters was not found in your enclosure. I am always
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disposed to exercise the discretion that may be vested in me by the laws for
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the reasonable benefit of the fair traders in cases and under circumstances that admit a
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relief from me. Considerable difficulty occurs in the present instance, wherein I am
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called to authorize an allowance without any precise fact to direct me if the salt
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were on board or if the proportion of foreign matter had been ascertained at the
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time of landing. I now have something to govern my opinion, But at
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this late day everything rests on mere conjecture. No, I lost my place.
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This appears to me to create impediment, and the more so because the
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legislature has been very particular in directing the mode to be persuaded with allowances for
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damages, drawbacks, or any abatement of duty is permitted. Like can you
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imagine, by the way, there's not any white out. I know they
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didn't have that at the time. There's literally not a mistake here and up
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and and he's writing with a a feather, a freaking feather. Could this
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difficulty be surmounted? The case would still remain embarrassed by questions of this kind.
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Whether the salts could be considered as damaged during the voyage, Which circumstances
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requisite to obtaining an allowance. Upon consideration of all circumstances attending this case,
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I am not satisfied that it is in my power to authorize an allowance to
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mister Bell. Hold on, ye, hold on, I can't even okay
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with respect your obedient servant, Alexander Hamilton and this is slabbed right. That
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sounded like a broken bat hearty promo too. Where do you get something like
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that? So pretty much what happens is someone makes a mistake, like their
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great grandfather had it and they kept it in perfect condition, and then they're
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like, yeah, no, I hear you by and I'm like, yeah,
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how much are you charging me? And they're like sixty five hundred bucks
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and I'm like, yeah, let's go. Like all they think they don't
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know it's where it's seventy five grand, but like Jesus, you know,
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or or the the best Thomas Edison in the world right there, look at
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that umbrella. Wow, that's really cool. Actually, now, so do
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you have this stuff? Like I know, this stuff display what are you
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really just gonna ask? No, I do not have I do Everyone asked
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this, They're like, do you have like you know, like where do
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you display this stuff? The really really valuable stuff is like you know,
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I pulled this for you guys, right, I'm not do you have a
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man cave with this stuff? No? I don't have ten million dollars worth
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of stuff in a man cave, you know. But uh, and these
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are like investments, right, investments. Everything is in. Yes, I
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have twenty percent of my money and collectibles. I love that. And and
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the reason that you did that is because we were talking to I have a
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so so, so I have an advantage. I have a I have an
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arbitrage game, which is that there's way too many collectibles being auctioned. Most
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of these people don't know what they are. The descriptions are bad, they're
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in the wrong auction houses, they go off at the wrong times, and
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and so unlike the stock market where they're like, oh, you you you
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invested in a company and they beat earnings, but it didn't beat the whisper
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numbers, so the stock is down. It's like what that's the It's like
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you you won, but you didn't really win. Like so, I don't
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think that game is fair. I mean this game I can I can just
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torch. I can torch people and it's fair. There there is, right,
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there is an issue, which is that if I'm in person, it's
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it's much like being a wrestling character. If I'm in person and I'm Darren
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Ravel and people see my face, I have to give you a fair offer.
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Because I am a spokesman for the hobby. You know, I got
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people into collecting, and so it's technically I can't like rip you off.
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But if I'm and you Wildcat ninety nine on eBay, right, you know,
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then then all the game is off. Yeah. I feel like in
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my case, I call myself the Michael Jordan of wrestling. For your collecting,
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I have like the best high D stuff. So it's a double edged
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sword because people come to me right because they seek me out with the stuff,
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but also nine times out of ten they're trying to jack the price upon
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me. And of course, right, so like I don't feel bad if
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we get to steal every once in a while. And the game name of
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the game like I'm never gonna oh no, that's too low, let me
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give you more money, pals. What I will tell you what does happen,
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which is unfortunate, which is that once you have to send it to
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me, I don't have a fake name to send it to. So like
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three percent of the time people see Darren Ravel and they're like, oh shit,
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I made a mistake. The item is not coming to you like an
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all, or they'll relist it, like they'll relist it and be like okay,
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I figured it out now, I figured it out, you know,
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like, you know, come on, even I have a fake name on
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eve name too. Yeah, you got it. We still we still got
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a lot of good pieces. You want to see a couple of wrestling pieces,
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absolutely, real question about the historical piece before you move on? Now,
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these would change hands ideally among a community of people that that collect historical
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pieces. You right, And then do they always like end up in a
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museum or is there just too many of these letters? And you could it
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depends there's less and less ending up in museums because people are willing to pay
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more. And when you so, I own I own a document that has
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twelve Martin Luther King's signatures on it, and I offered it to this Smithsonian
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and the Smithsonian said, we will only put it on display if you donate
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it to us. And I'm like, what I thought we were supposed to
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be educating children, like like I thought I thought there was like some like
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aspirational educational Like no, no, it's all I'm going to give it to
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you so that you yeah, okay, that's why. So what if you've
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gotten out of it, would you would have got like a rental deal where
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they pay you like monthly rent. They won't want to. I have to.
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I have to sell it for zero dollars to them. But you were
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seeking a rental deal. I want it. I didn't want to have to
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pay for the insurance, I didn't want to have to pay for the storage,
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and I thought it would be nice to display it, right and and
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that deal really doesn't exist at the high end of museums. So everyone who
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says like, oh, you have this great stuff, it should be in
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a museum f museums like no, no, So, you know, but
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it's sometimes it's just like, so I have a John Hancock signed lottery ticket
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that that they uh to rebuild Fenuel Hall in Boston, and I know I'm
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the sixth owner because I have the whole tracing of it came from Charles Hancock,
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his cousin, and then his cousin Charles Hancock gave it to this woman
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named Winthrop g Ray, who in eighteen sixty one was collecting autographs. You
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know, I mean, this goes way back ahead of the game. This
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goes way back, and people are always like, wow, there aren't any
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fake Lincoln autographs. They were faking Lincoln's in eighteen ninety you know, like
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you know, like there, you know you got to you know, you
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got to be careful. But it's it's uh, it's a it's a it's
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a really fun game. And every once in a while when I get sick
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of a piece like I had, I had Shack's college, I d his
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LSU college. I d for three years, and you know, then then
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I owned it. I will not. I will not. I don't know
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if I showed this last time. I will I will not be selling this
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unless I get some Really, I can't even read. What on earth what's
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the first name? I can't I can't think. I can say. It's
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a little blurry on our end. Okay, Hefner, komma you oh god?
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Those are pills. Yeah, fifty milligrams take one tablet one hour prior
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sex an increase to two tablets daily maximum. But it's not slab. Dun't.
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It's not slab. It's not the sign I was gonna blue jelly bellies
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in it. But like that's like an example of like an auction. Now
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screwing up Crystal Afner his ex wife is having this auction, and all that
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is like stupid jewelry and furniture and at the end it's this one it says
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estimate one thousand dollars and I'm like, excuse me, one thousand dollars for
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the greatest conversation piece of old times? What am I missing here? Right?
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You know? So so? But it's it's it's always like you know,
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it's you always have to try to find the next thing, Like,
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what's the next what's the next thing? Have you ever seen the blax?
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Thing? Is gonna be Brosky selling blue Choo packets on what He's already done
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that? No he has, That's that's good blue chew. It's like the
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h you never heard of blue Choo? No, we gotta get it hooked
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up down he code major to set a chewable viagra. The last time we
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had you on the show, you like, if we go back, if
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we could roll the footage. You literally blew my mind on the show because
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we were talking about the l j N wrestlers and you were telling me to
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invest in guys like whole Cog and I'm like, no, everyone has Hogan.
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We got to get the guys like Haku and Warlad. You're like,
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no, you gotta get the guys. People grew up on their favorites,
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and it totally it was like an epithy because you're you're thinking about in your
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mind, you're one of one. You you know, you you got to
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get the ones that no one had, and but there there there is a
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there's a balance there, right there, there's a balance between like no one
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opened Kamala already like whatever it is, like there's definitely a balance between you
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know, there's still only one hundred and fifty unopen open Hogan's right, you
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know when Hogan passes like, that's that's the item. That's item, that's
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the item we all played with. And you know now you're you know they
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did. They haven't gone up as much as I thought, But I think
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that's because you know, they're kind of holding at twenty five hundred. They're
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really good ones. But I think that's if I still have five, So
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I'm still holding. Wow, I'm still looking for I've been looking for one
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since that conversation. I'm very picky because I want to high grade and I
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want this. Do you have the stand in any of yours? The gray
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stand? They were in the very first run and it didn't last long.
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This is this is the best one. I have it's a eighty five and
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that's five guys on the back of five back. This is actually an eight
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back. Okay, I do have a five. I do have a five
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back too. And then I have a I have a sign snucka which is
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pretty yeah but but pretty much all. And then I have a I have
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a chic back here this is I don't know what this one is. This
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is, but this one, this is a seventy five. I mean the
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stickers are just the toys are the toys backwards? Are us? Yes?
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It's just so good the case I thought what I thought about. I want
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to do an article ranking the stickers. Oh yeah, out of which one
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like KB target, like the old Like what's the what's the stickers that you
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that you want? If you could if you want the stickers? You know.
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I recently bought the entire Hasbro collection, that's the set after the Elgie.
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I got them all in the package, not graded or anything. But
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I had a rule if it had a Toys r Us or a KB sticker,
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I would count it. But if it had like a Kmart or or
26:08
you know, Mama Pop Store, I'm like, now I got to replace
26:11
this, right, I don't want this my collection, right because it was
26:14
it came on sale or something like that, right right, right, like
26:17
that that toys r us is I count that orange sticker? Oh man?
26:21
Yeah, I just think when it's over, like the talent's face or something
26:23
like that. Yeah, that's rough. So I think I think one of
26:26
the next big things is rookie magazines. So the first time someone appeared on
26:33
a cover, So I wanted to share a couple with you so that you
26:37
could and then I'll bring in the wrestling stuff. Sure, sure, So
26:41
so this is the first time Kurt Russell appeared on a cover. Kurt Russell.
26:47
Wow wow. Okay, we got the first time Rod Stewart appeared on
26:53
a cover. So these are rookie magazine covers. That what you call it.
26:57
It's basically it's basically I mean this kind of kind of feels creepy.
27:02
But Mick Jagger, wow wow. So all right, so we got a
27:07
couple of these, you know, uh little little goldie hawn action here.
27:12
Oh wow? Now are you going to get these graded? Eventually? I'll
27:18
get them graded. I'm waiting for for how about how about Robert de Niro
27:22
look at this thing? Crap? Uh? So and then I'm gonna get
27:26
I'm gonna show you a couple of good ones. Uh. All right,
27:30
so this is the first time The Rock appeared on a national non wrestling cover.
27:40
Yeah, I remember that. It's a great one, great one,
27:45
although I will tell you I do, by the way, for people listening
27:48
a TV guide, Oh yeah, I was literally going to ask you what
27:52
about TV guys? Yeah, and then and then and then this is pretty
27:56
much his greatest photograph of all time, the Student of the Month, the
28:03
great work, The Rock. When I saw this, I was like,
28:07
oh my god, this is amazing. It doesn't sound like all these days.
28:11
No, it's very art is coming more and more sought after. Because
28:17
so we got that, we have the we have the Rock debut ticket right
28:22
here. So we got a couple of rock things. The Rock sacks Charlie
28:26
Ward, his most substantive college moment, very difficult. I love how they
28:33
put that on this Labs and Sacks Charlie Ward, and you know it's always
28:38
great on the back free Blockbuster video rentel. Okay, So now now I'm
28:47
going to get you to the magazines. Uh, the the the there's two
28:51
that I want to show you. The Honald debut. Now you're speak my
28:57
language. Look at that Tomorrow's man is that like a no, no,
29:04
no it is? It is a straight magazine, okay, all right,
29:08
it's the international magazine for bodybuilding, all right? Okay. And then this
29:15
took a long time to find. I had to find Hulk's first cover.
29:19
This, This was a tough one. It is hilarious. Oh my god.
29:27
So so the best part about it is, so my favorite cover of
29:32
all time is this local Chicago cover in nineteen eighty four that says will Michael
29:38
Jordan make it in Chicago? And I'm like, that's so good. That's
29:45
so good. Okay, So this one is is Fred Blossy ruining Hulk Hogan's
29:52
career? Oh for sure? Oh that's cool. That was eighty three.
29:56
What's on that October nineteen eighty eighty before? It's like before Japan? Yeah,
30:04
damn. So in the corner it has like these these it's like the
30:11
Weird Apartment Wrestling, Violent, violent Beauties Wild. How did like, so,
30:18
how did you just do research and figure that out? Like? How
30:21
did you come by it? Basically, what I'm doing on all of these
30:23
is I look at like Wikipedia and timelines and I'm like, what could be
30:30
the earliest, and then I just keep searching back and back. So I
30:33
will on eBay or whatever, so I'll do nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty
30:37
to see when I could find something right, and most of the time I'll
30:42
buy it. And then sometimes I'll see something where it's earlier, and I'll
30:47
body, guess what I mean? That one costs one hundred bucks, but
30:49
most of these things are twenty bucks. The market, the market hasn't matured
30:53
on it, so I can I could take flyers on all these things,
30:57
right for sure. So last time, last time we talked, we talked
31:03
extensively about ticket stubs and stuff, which I think at the time we're very
31:07
undervalued. They've since exploded since what was that three years ago that we talked
31:11
about it. Yes, but then also especially you know post COVID, it
31:15
doesn't exist anymore, So like what are your thoughts on that? Like?
31:18
Is that just is that something where what you have is going to I feel
31:22
bad because I wish we could continue doing this. Yeah, trying to work
31:26
with teams and this is like me as kind of like an ambassador and trying
31:30
to like save things. I'm trying to work with teams to tell them,
31:33
hey, why don't you're the Chicago Cubs, why don't you just say it
31:38
costs three hundred and fifty dollars to print out tickets. Give us three hundred
31:42
and fifty dollars, we'll print you a sheet before the season, and if
31:48
it's the first time you're going to the game with your nephew or kid,
31:51
rip it out. You have one, right, you know, because the
31:55
issue is the issue is that if the ticket it is not printed at the
32:01
time of like, you can't print it after like yesa will be like no,
32:07
no, no, it's garbage. In fact, you can see sometimes
32:08
on the ticket Master it will give you like the true date and the date
32:13
they printed it is later than the date of the game. You can't do
32:15
that. So so it's yeah, I mean, I'm hoping that more and
32:22
more teams do it because there's so many reasons, Like it's it's almost like
32:27
the the the the free food on airlines. You're like, I hate the
32:30
free food. I hate the free food. And then the food's not free
32:32
anymore, and you're like it was so good, I want it. You
32:37
don't know, right, why aren't I entitled to get a free ticket like
32:42
I want them. I want them, Momento, I do have a since
32:45
we have movie the modern day ticket, the only chance you have is maybe
32:50
a comp right, so I think people still print out comps. So this
32:52
is this is this is uh, this is Peter McAllister's ticket from home alone.
32:58
Get the fuck out of here. So yeah, and then inside we
33:04
have Kevin's boarding pass and that that's screed us. Like for the movie,
33:08
this one is not screen Hold on, hold on, we'll get it.
33:13
We'll get a screen, we'll get a you want to screen use something,
33:15
sure, let's see here. Okay, I'm gonna get you a spring used
33:20
something. Uh all right, never know what darn revel is going to show.
33:29
Yeah, we got we got Dennis Quade's helmet from any given. We
33:38
got that sign. Uh, it is unsigned. It does say inside Dennis
33:44
Quaid movie warn and he given something to have a letter that came with it.
33:47
Now, if you had Dennis Quid sign that, would you have him
33:50
signed as the character or Dennis Quaid, probably Dennis Quaid and then the character's
33:53
name. And this is one of the greatest of all time. The kids
34:00
Glasses from Jerry McGwire. Oh, oh that is really cool. Oh my
34:06
god, and you did you? Who put that together like that? He
34:13
went to Michaels, I got a customer. Yeah, you know, it's
34:16
it's not like I have a wife and three kids. Let's go back to
34:22
the ticket stubs for a second. I just purchased this. It's uh stone
34:25
cold Steve Austin, he's a six time w w f W champion. All
34:30
ticket stubs from the night he won the title, all signed by Steve Austin,
34:35
all p s A graded. Oh is that like a six slot thing?
34:37
That was this? It was just that I want it so well,
34:43
investment piece now, also to show how much of a new bim to stuff
34:47
like this. I've never been on Golden before, so I had no idea
34:52
about all those well, the buyer's fees afterwards, Holy ship, it was
34:58
like two thousand dollars extra. It's twenty it's twenty percent plus the insurance plus
35:02
the Holy fuck god, I didn't know that either. I've never messed with
35:07
Golden When you uh, when yeah that then you uh, then you buy
35:13
an item for one hundred and forty three thousand, it becomes one hundred and
35:15
sixty one thousand. Yeah, yeah, oh my god. Yeah, I
35:21
feel like Golden is too popular now because of that show. And yeah yeah
35:24
yeah yeah to get like a real steal on there. Yeah, I'm still
35:29
I'm still all over tickets. I just acquired this one the premiere of Tommy
35:34
Boy. No. So yeah, you just caught you know, you gotta
35:40
keep looking around and you know seeing, Uh, hold on, we got
35:45
we got one. We've got a good one here. This is this one,
35:49
all right. This is the best highest graded Cinderella Man ticket from a
35:58
bear just core these boxing tickets of the thirties or just that's cool. Man.
36:04
Yeah, I still I still greatly love tickets, you know, I
36:07
really do. Yeah, it's of art, their pieces. Oh, I
36:10
got to show you my just said it's a momento too, which is such
36:14
a shame that. Yeah, you can't have it anymore. I got to
36:17
show you my latest, uh my latest pick up. It's the it's the
36:22
rooming list from the Dream Team in Barcelona, the Rules not be left And
36:29
thank god Christian Latner ran out of money and had to sell it to me.
36:32
Jesus, that's really cool. Jordan and Pippin are rooming next to each
36:37
other. Malone and Stockton are next to each other. It's like really,
36:42
it's like really cute. You know what if they had joining door, you
36:44
know, joining rooms. I love that Jesus. So last time that we
36:49
talked, you also talked a lot about physical media being something on the on
36:53
the horizon, and I think you were buying video games or something maybe at
36:58
the time as a buying I was buying VHS's. That's a market that didn't
37:01
turn out. I think there were more hoarders and more sealed VHS's that you
37:08
could imagine. But you know, I mean you still you know, to
37:12
get the to get the originals. I still think they're so cool. I
37:16
think so as well. So the vhs is still are really cheap. So
37:22
even if you now they now they got cheap. I mean, I don't
37:25
know. It's funny. Pete Davidson went on and he goes and I bought
37:30
them all up, And I'm like, am I the original character that you're
37:34
playing right now? Because I was the one who did that, not you.
37:39
I don't think there's a lot of popular movies that are still going for
37:44
a lot of money, maybe not as much as they were, but you
37:45
can't get like an original Rocky or Ghostbusters like the first edition. I bought
37:52
so many Rockies and there there were still too many of them. I just
37:58
you know, I see there there were there were too many of them.
38:00
I just but steal video and stuff exploded. Your video games are going crazy,
38:06
They're going crazy. I actually bought, uh, I bought the nicest
38:12
NBA jam in the world for for five thousand, and I actually sold it
38:17
for seventy seven thousand. What yeah, Oh it was a good turn.
38:22
It was a good show. Do you think that that is worth more than
38:27
seventy seven now? Or is the reason? But you I mean, listen,
38:30
you you have to know when to take money off the table. And
38:34
normally when you're when you're in fifteen X land, you're in you know,
38:37
that's right. I think last time we talked to use the term piggish.
38:43
Yeah, yeah, I keep that in the back of my mind about yeah,
38:45
you got it, you got it. You gotta really, you know,
38:47
you gotta, you gotta figure it out. I see, So you're
38:52
you're kind of looking at that fifteen time uh return And no matter even if
38:58
you think, what if you think that, man, this could really keep
39:00
going. Most of the time I've won, you know, like I had
39:05
that with the rock Bumblebee card. I don't know if you guys remember that.
39:07
That was like that was the card and I bought it for seven hundred
39:14
and fifty bucks and I sold it for seventeen thousand, and it turned out
39:16
to be pretty much the height you know, like but but it it hurt
39:22
to get rid of it. Now I have I have bought something and then
39:24
a day later brought it back. Uh oh god, yeah, I saw
39:31
I bought I sold a Yeah that's what I meant. I sold a Jeff
39:36
Bezos copy of Time magazine and like maybe like four or five days later,
39:43
he stepped down a ceo of Amazon, and I was like, oh god,
39:47
he's gonna go from private plane to private island. He never has to
39:52
show up at a meeting, like his auto is going to be impossible.
39:58
Yeah, I'm like, I gotta buy that back. That happened that that,
40:02
you know, uh, probably another three it was a three grand mistake,
40:08
not something crazy, but the wife didn't know about it. But anyway,
40:14
Yeah, have you ever now what's your strategy? You see something that
40:19
you have it's going down or it's not as valuable, do you try to
40:22
get up. I will, I will, I will unload it. I
40:24
mean that's something that people are really bad at doing in this industry. You
40:29
got to remember if something's going down or it doesn't turn out like you can
40:32
make money on the next opportunity, but if it goes to zero, you're
40:37
not doing anything. So you have to figure out like, okay, what's
40:39
next. I got to eat it. You have to eat it. You
40:43
can't just go down with the ship. So so I've I've done that before.
40:49
Uh, it's just it's part of you're not going to hit everything.
40:52
And if you make a lot of money because you've made great bets, you're
40:55
gonna lose. You know. You step into the DHS game and put twenty
41:00
five grand in to be ahead and then you lose. You got to be
41:02
willing to lose like a man. That's what I right. I agree with
41:06
that. Yeah, I mean that's the name of the game. Like you
41:08
gotta invest in yourself. Right. Well, I did get into the VHS
41:12
game, but I think I'm only in seventy bucks, okay, and I
41:15
think you're more like I just bought my favorite movies and displayed them. So
41:21
yeah, and then also Dad you're trying to figure out and we're all guessing
41:24
here like what could possibly be the next thing? And like it's a gamble,
41:29
right, so you win, send me lose. I'm like I'm always
41:30
trying to figure out with the wrestling figures, like what could possibly be next?
41:34
Right? Like you know what I do, Matt? Do you know
41:36
what I do? I ask I buy one or two things in a category
41:42
and ask people what do you think? And I look for someone to say
41:45
who isn't even into collecting? Wow, Like that's how I got into historical
41:51
because like once I bought like the Alexander Hamilton, people were like, holy
41:55
crap, that's on real and it's like this person is not a collecting person.
42:00
So it's like, if that person is saying something, I should just
42:04
go deep in. And then you have to and then you have to hone
42:07
your strategy. Okay, if I'm gonna collect more historical people, what is
42:12
the impetus for someone to buy historical Okay, let's figure this out. And
42:15
you really have to figure it out. And I figured it out. Twenty
42:19
twenty six is the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of America. There's gonna be
42:22
a lot of talk because I'm gonna put myself on the Today Show conductible,
42:29
and as I walk off the set, I'm gonna sell it all. Yeah,
42:32
I mean, really think about it. That's also the beauty of what
42:38
you're doing because you have no sentimental attachment to this stuff. You're in it
42:42
for the pure Oh, I'm that's not that's not true, that's not true.
42:45
I'm willing in certain cases, I will. I'm willing. I'm willing
42:49
to part from it. But I think I do have things that I enjoy
42:53
and I've sucked the life out of it, and it's time to move on
42:58
right, for sure. A lot of like ways, and in a lot
43:01
of ways, I'm renting stories because I buy something. It's good for my
43:07
brand, you know. And then and then oh oh this is the thing
43:12
Darren had. Yeah, I've sucked it all out, I said, been
43:15
associated. I'm amortizing the cost to my brand. It becomes part of me,
43:21
part of my story, part of my legend. And then I move
43:23
on right And it might be worth more money than you had it. It
43:28
could be if we can get P. S. A to slab the ro
43:30
velk, it could be worth less that as mind then I guess, right,
43:35
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But it's all. It's it's
43:37
all, it's it's all. It's so fun. It's so fun, and
43:40
it's and it's uh and it's great when you have a steal and you you
43:45
know, remember when I bought the largest Warren Buffet signature in the world and
43:49
I stole it, and I just I went downstairs and poured a scotch and
43:52
turned on the fireplace and god, like, I just I just stole that
43:59
thing and got bought it for seventy two hundred got an offer for one point
44:04
seventy five million. Said no, how much time? Like do you devote
44:08
to this like a day? Are just cruising the eBay app like a psychopath?
44:12
Or like, well, I do it as my job, so you
44:15
know we have to h I'm it's probably an hour and a half a day.
44:20
I'm looking at things that's not that at all. The good the good
44:23
part about it is I'm not doing like modern NBA, where like something goes
44:29
wrong. I'm not doing modern baseball where Mike Trout tears his body off.
44:35
Well and our last stupid talk. My first investment was a slab Mike Trout
44:40
debut ps A ten ticket ticket stub and he has not been healthy since I
44:45
bought this thing, just waiting to get rid of it. But he hasn't.
44:51
He hasn't been Mike Trout since that talk. I'm sorry, yeah,
44:57
yeah, I doubt I mean, thank you for giving us his time.
45:00
I mean, I think we're gonna bring you in every once in a while
45:01
when someone fucks something up and we're gonna need some your expertise because I think
45:06
you think like us, you know, we're always looking for the next thing
45:07
like that. There's one thing that I'm I shouldn't even be saying it,
45:10
but I'll say it anywhere. Like I still think there's gonna be eventually,
45:15
like rookie wrestling figures, Like there's nothing right now, there's why has not
45:20
been done. I just think people don't care about it. And right now,
45:23
like let's say, for in right not looking you're saying in original in
45:30
original outfits in I'm just saying, like like the first release of a rock
45:35
figure ever, right, got it? Like you get that on eBay right
45:38
now, twenty five, Like this would be the time to stock up on
45:43
them, and like, well and you never know, but it's it's like
45:45
it's all a gamble or just keep buying that rock figure. It's pretty hard
45:50
to find in like a mint. So I think I have that. Did
45:52
that come with a ladder? A yellow ladder? No? No, that's
45:57
it's one of the early ones. That's not. Yeah, it's not the
46:00
first one to bring that. I gotta bring that because I have I have
46:02
that signed by him. So changed that I that I that I bought for
46:08
three hundred bucks? Ye? Yeah, yeah, before you go, uh,
46:15
you know last time you gave us the two tips there there was,
46:17
there was VHS's and video games, video games worked. What what's the what
46:22
should we look we be looking at now? Man? Well, the the
46:29
one thing that people are really excited about now I can at least tell you
46:34
is these type one photos. I don't know if you've heard about them.
46:37
So type type one photos are published from the original negative within two years of
46:46
of that picture being taken. So that's a type one. Well, there's
46:52
guys at p s A who look at the color of the paper. Often
46:54
it's written on the back if it was in a newspaper. These have not
46:59
hit wrestling yet. I have not seen a whole lot of wrestling type one
47:04
photos now there's a couple issues. One, they don't have population reports,
47:08
so people in general are uncomfortable with it because it's like, okay, here's
47:13
a type one. You know the first time they played the whole Cogan intro
47:16
or whatever, right, but we don't know whether if there's five or twenty
47:21
of them, and we don't you know, we don't know they who knows,
47:25
And so a lot of these things are going for big money when they
47:30
were at like fifty dollars one hundred dollars slabbed by PSA. So that's actually
47:36
just something to look for, just to see these like age old photos seventies,
47:43
eighties pretty much to eighty five eighty nine. Maybe we're just like newspaper
47:49
photos. And on the back it has like all the writings, God,
47:52
let me see if I can, let me see, if I can show
47:55
if we have if we have one here, let's see. So that would
48:00
be like if somebody took a picture, like a photographer took a picture at
48:04
the match and then printed it out like within that that two year Yeah yeah,
48:07
yeah, yeah, I have to I have to find I have to.
48:09
So the rarity there is like obviously he didn't print out a million right,
48:14
so so so like this one the Latner shot right, like, this
48:17
is not one. It's just printed on like Kodak paper at the time.
48:22
But on the if this was one, it would on the back have all
48:25
these newspaper markings and what the caption of it is. And it's as much
48:30
what's on the front as is on the back. I see. And so
48:36
a Jordan rookie one sold for one hundred and seventy five thousand. There's been
48:40
there was a really cool one that sold this weekend for fifteen thousand of Jordans
48:45
stretching the first time he was with the Bulls. But yes, so type
48:51
one, Oh, I think this might be a nice one here. So
48:54
on the back you see like all these like notations of like what it is.
49:00
It has a stamp, you know, there's all these like cool little
49:04
things that that on the back. You know it. It kind of makes
49:07
it interesting. Now the question becomes, as this gets more and more valuable,
49:13
are people going to start faking this stuff? Sure like anything else?
49:17
Yeah, of course, where they take it, where they try to get
49:20
period paper, where they try to stamp it. Yeah, I mean that
49:22
the challenge will be there. So I think I think type one photos are
49:25
at least interesting. Well, Meltzer's got all the wrestling once, right,
49:30
like the magazine guys, and anybody who's running the magazines in the eighties where
49:34
the guy's taking the pictures at ringside as well, would yeah. And then
49:39
I still I still think Beatles are undervalued. I you know, I mean,
49:45
I hate to say this, but two of them are alive if you
49:46
didn't know, and I just I just think there's a ton of autos.
49:52
Uh. And and for me, if it's not on anything special, I
49:55
don't think I should be paying. You know, the rate for Beatles auto
50:00
is maybe seven thousand right now for all of them, and I think that's
50:04
a lot of money for but if you can get unique things beatles, I
50:08
still think there's a way to run there. Damn well, Darren, thank
50:14
you for coming on the show. Hopefully it won't be another three years before
50:17
you have you on. Hopefully someone else sucks up. But we can talk
50:20
about the tornado. Tomas just too up. It doesn't it is a great
50:27
man. We need to bringing an expert. So we appreciate you man.
50:30
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