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A Misunderstood Diva with Carolina Quixano · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Podcast. Today we have
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  Speaker 2: a big name from Grand season on Carolina Sophia. You
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  Speaker 2: may know her as the girl who said I'm crazy
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  Speaker 2: and evil.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: That line just repeated over and over again. And I
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  Speaker 2: decided to do so much throughout this season.
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  Speaker 3: You really did. I actually I could not even sleep
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  Speaker 3: last night just listening to everything back because I was like, wait,
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  Speaker 3: I said yes to this podcast. Let me double check
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  Speaker 3: to see, like, well, we need to like get on
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  Speaker 3: the same page on we can have a debate, we
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  Speaker 3: can like I want to where we align. Even if
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  Speaker 3: you had just like talked, that's fine, but I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to see, like where we coincided and where we did it.
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  Speaker 3: And you were very kind to me, and in the
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  Speaker 3: moments that you were annoyed with me, I would have
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  Speaker 3: been annoyed with me too if they were real. They
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  Speaker 3: just weren't real, by the way, but we can guess
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  Speaker 3: that later.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Actually, let's just get to it now. You just
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  Speaker 2: open the door for It's so fun. Remind everyone, like
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  Speaker 2: why the women supposedly didn't get along with you?
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  Speaker 4: Was the good reason. No, not really.
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  Speaker 5: Let's just let's stay focused on the reason. I want
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  Speaker 5: to hear your response on why you think it happened
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  Speaker 5: the way it happened.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I try to be very nice when we
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  Speaker 3: were filming. I think they were weirdly obsessed with me.
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  Speaker 3: And this is gonna sound bad and I'm gonna get canceled.
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  Speaker 5: This is gonna be like, there's no canceling anymore? Does
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  Speaker 5: it happen?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: It's just like, it's like, why are you literally, why
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  Speaker 3: are you so obsessed with me? If you think that
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  Speaker 3: I'm taking up too much attention, don't give me attention.
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  Speaker 3: I was so ready to be a background person. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, if it's not me, I will see myself out.
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  Speaker 3: And I really do not understand why everyone was so
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  Speaker 3: upset with me.
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  Speaker 2: You actually have a very similar not I actually wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: say vibe, but I think that the girls took you
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  Speaker 2: in the house the way that we took Britt. And
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  Speaker 2: if anybody back, you know, our audience has watched my
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  Speaker 2: season mostly probably, but since you are much younger than I,
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  Speaker 2: I'll say that I believe that we were all just
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  Speaker 2: jealous of her.
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  Speaker 3: I've you said the words.
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  Speaker 2: Like we were like, this girl is so ridiculously pretty,
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  Speaker 2: he is so into her, and then on top of it,
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  Speaker 2: she's like oddly nice, like so nice that it's creeping
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  Speaker 2: us out because you can't be super liked by the
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  Speaker 2: lead so pretty and then also genuinely this nice. And
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  Speaker 2: I think we may have gotten her wrong. I think
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  Speaker 2: that just may have been her when we were all
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  Speaker 2: like just sick, just sick, Well.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. I actually really appreciate that because I think
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  Speaker 3: that even like the worst that you could get out
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  Speaker 3: of meat, which even me watching a background, like I
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  Speaker 3: can see why that's annoying, is like the negativity or
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  Speaker 3: me saying like how I really felt at certain times.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm like, hasn't that always been a thing though
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  Speaker 3: with the Bachelor, Like the point of it is like,
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  Speaker 3: even though you know you're signing up for this, part
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  Speaker 3: of it is the struggle of how you're really feeling.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that like in the beginning, I remember
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  Speaker 3: night one, I told the producers, everyone's so nice, everyone's
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  Speaker 3: gonna get along. You guys are gonna have the most
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  Speaker 3: boring season ever because everyone's so cool, and everyone had
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  Speaker 3: been sharing their experiences, so I was like, oh, we're
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  Speaker 3: really all just friends, and I really wanted to tell myself.
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  Speaker 3: We are women in like our late twenties early thirties.
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  Speaker 3: We don't see each other as competition, and I'm very
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  Speaker 3: clear that my person is meant for me, and there's
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  Speaker 3: no like it's not because I feel superior. It's more
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  Speaker 3: of like, I'm not in competition with you. So if
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  Speaker 3: that's your man, that's great. If it's mine, that's great.
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  Speaker 3: But like, I really wanted that camaraderie, and it felt
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  Speaker 3: like I'm being fed information and I'm being fed feeling.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm trying to be the same way for my friends,
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  Speaker 3: but somehow my experiences were always negative or like too
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  Speaker 3: like I don't know. It was just like I don't
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  Speaker 3: know why I was so annoying every time that I spoke.
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  Speaker 2: Ben doesn't agree with this, but this is where you know,
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  Speaker 2: we differ a little bit. But I was more easily
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  Speaker 2: persuaded into certain things and Ben is like, absolutely not goodbye.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: So this is another thing that this isn't fully shown.
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  Speaker 3: But I at the beginning of the season, every time
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  Speaker 3: they'd be like, so how are you girls all feeling,
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  Speaker 3: I'd be like passed. I don't want to answer it
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  Speaker 3: because I don't want to say I'm jealous, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: also not gonna be like I'm so happy, So I
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  Speaker 3: would always be like, I really don't want to share,
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  Speaker 3: and then then the girls would take that out on
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  Speaker 3: me and be like, you don't even want to participate,
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  Speaker 3: like and it's like, so what do you want me
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  Speaker 3: to say? You just want me to lie, to be
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  Speaker 3: agreeable and say what you want me to say.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, see you and I would have gotten
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  Speaker 2: along so well because I got into a fight one
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  Speaker 2: of those weeks because I was like, you, guys, why
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  Speaker 2: are you happy for her?
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  Speaker 4: Why are you You just got a rose? And it's
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  Speaker 4: not being genuine.
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  Speaker 2: We're all jealous and we all want to be right now.
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  Speaker 3: You want to say like I'm happy for you. I
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  Speaker 3: still wish it was me, Like it's like I every
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  Speaker 3: time that I would say something, it was so like
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  Speaker 3: taken out of context, and it was the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: One girl would say, let's stop pretending we're happy for
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  Speaker 3: each other. And then when I would say I there
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  Speaker 3: was a thing that I said, I said, like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: as happy for you as I can be, Like it's
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  Speaker 3: not personally, I'm not I'm not. It's not personal. It's
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  Speaker 3: not you that I don't like going on a date
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  Speaker 3: with him. It's him going on a date with someone
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  Speaker 3: who is at me. But I'm not mad. I'm just
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  Speaker 3: like neutral. But you want to make my neutral negative.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know what to say.
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  Speaker 2: You guys, if you're seeing a clip of this on Instagram,
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  Speaker 2: like you can see Ben just staring at Caroline and
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  Speaker 2: I justcri and he's like the voice of like sanity,
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  Speaker 2: and we're just like exactly sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I'm literally like on one right now. I just chugged
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  Speaker 3: this like coffee. So Ben, go ahead, I'll let you talk.
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  Speaker 3: Do you completely disagree with me?
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  Speaker 5: Well, first off, hello, it's nice to meet you. This
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  Speaker 5: is why we don't let Ashley open up the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah one like you guys don't even know the tangent.
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  Speaker 2: I was prepared to go on.
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  Speaker 5: It was gonna be at it. Yeah, you'll get there
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  Speaker 5: at some point. Do I agree with you? I'm more
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  Speaker 5: curious about your situation. And I think it's always interesting
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  Speaker 5: to me how a villain is created or how a
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  Speaker 5: villain is shown on television, and it's never fully what
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  Speaker 5: we see, we've met so many of your quote unquote
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  Speaker 5: villains through this show and through real life. And I
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  Speaker 5: would say, in the ten years we've done this, and
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  Speaker 5: let's let's just call it thirty seasons that we've walked through,
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  Speaker 5: including Paradise, I would say there's three or four that
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  Speaker 5: I would say are legitimate, like, oh, you're not the
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  Speaker 5: best hanging in the world, and everybody else is like, no,
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  Speaker 5: you're great. And then I think there's a few people
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  Speaker 5: that weren't getting the villain at it that I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: you should have one hundred percent been shown out because
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  Speaker 5: you're brutal. I think you're strategy of staying quiet is interesting.
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  Speaker 5: I do see how you saying past could come off
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  Speaker 5: to other contestants as she's not interested in this, she's disconnected,
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  Speaker 5: or maybe she's too good for it. I want to know, though,
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  Speaker 5: from you. We've heard your strategy and kind of what
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  Speaker 5: you were going through, but I want to hear from
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  Speaker 5: you when you felt during the filming of the season
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  Speaker 5: where you looked around and went, oh, crap, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if people like me or potentially I could be
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  Speaker 5: the villain of this season. Was there that moment where
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  Speaker 5: you realize I might not like the way this is shown.
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  Speaker 3: I want to say I was probably super naive about it,
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  Speaker 3: like I.
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  Speaker 5: That's fair, most most people are. You don't see it.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm being completely honest, I knew that I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: being mean. I'm like, there's still no clips of me
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  Speaker 3: talking about anyone who hasn't come at me, like you
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  Speaker 3: know when they asked you like did you see what
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  Speaker 3: she was wearing? Or like wasn't she like me? And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't care to be involved in
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  Speaker 3: this like petty stuff. So I was like, I, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that I'm really the villain, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that even even in Scotland. After there was a
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  Speaker 3: moment where I thought of it, but then I snapped
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  Speaker 3: out of it because if something else that happened, we
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  Speaker 3: can sortcle back to this later. But yeah, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: realize until the trailer came out and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: but is that cheeky and funny or is it like
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  Speaker 3: I am the villain?
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  Speaker 5: And I want to mention this. I have a soft
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  Speaker 5: spot for villains, not because I feel like I really
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  Speaker 5: was one of them or can relate to your to
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  Speaker 5: having to watch this back on national television. I have
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  Speaker 5: a soft spot for villains because I think I had
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  Speaker 5: exposure to one of the worst. Olivia Creedy was the
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  Speaker 5: villain on my season when I was the bachelor. As
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  Speaker 5: the bachelor.
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  Speaker 3: Yours, I think was the first one that I ever watched.
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  Speaker 5: And she was not a villain and goodness gracious. As
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  Speaker 5: the bachelor, we loved Olivia. She was friendly with everybody,
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  Speaker 5: She was sweet. Yeah, she was more outspoken, and she
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  Speaker 5: was more invested into, like our relationship and definitely took
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  Speaker 5: that and made it a priority over the friendships maybe
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  Speaker 5: on the show, but there was no moment as the
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  Speaker 5: Bachelor that was like, oh goodness, this poor girl is
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  Speaker 5: going to get the villain at it. Yeah, until the
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  Speaker 5: show aired and it crushed her, and I remember going,
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  Speaker 5: this is just not the way it was. And I
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  Speaker 5: think most of the girls in the season stood up
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  Speaker 5: and said that's not the way it was. So I
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  Speaker 5: have a soft spot because I know how this happens,
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  Speaker 5: but it's not always that way. I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: blame editing for all this, because it's sometimes you're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you deserved it, you shouldn't have said that thing. So
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  Speaker 5: I just wondered was there that moment where you said
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  Speaker 5: something that you're like, this probably is not going to
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  Speaker 5: go well.
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  Speaker 3: No, the moment that I felt like I was being
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  Speaker 3: played to potentially be a villain was that moment in
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  Speaker 3: Scotland and where I'm sitting by myself, and that was
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  Speaker 3: completely not my decision. Grant pulled three girls to go
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  Speaker 3: play a game, and so it was me and Serafina
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  Speaker 3: left sitting by herselves, and then a producer pulled Saraphena
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  Speaker 3: for an interview. So they make me seem like I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't participating, which I was. They even do like the
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  Speaker 3: editing where they'd be like where it's like everyone's like
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  Speaker 3: playing a game. If you see the behind the scenes photos,
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  Speaker 3: I'm smiling, throwing my log like I sucked at it,
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  Speaker 3: but I had fun. I was trying my best. So
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  Speaker 3: in that moment where I'm sitting by myself and the
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  Speaker 3: cameras are on me still, I'm like, what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: So when Grant comes to talk to me, I tell
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  Speaker 3: him can't you see him being like played right now?
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  Speaker 3: So he's like, oh, come on whatever, just like join us.
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  Speaker 3: So I go and I join that game that they're
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  Speaker 3: all playing, and they edit it differently, so he comes
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  Speaker 3: and finds me later and at this point I've already
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  Speaker 3: forgotten all about like the potential setup. So he pulls
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  Speaker 3: me and it seems as if I'm pouting in a
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  Speaker 3: corner by myself and just like trying to get his attention,
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  Speaker 3: and that's why he comes over at me. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that was like a like I thought of it in
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  Speaker 3: the moment in Scotland, forgot about it, and then watching
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  Speaker 3: it back, I'm like, yep, I was right.
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  Speaker 2: Now we know that you may have gotten along more
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  Speaker 2: than people would have thought. However, I just am guessing
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  Speaker 2: that you didn't necessarily get along well with Juliana because
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  Speaker 2: you don't follow her on Instagram and you said something
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna write it.
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  Speaker 2: You said, anyone claiming to be ready for an engagement
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  Speaker 2: with the Bachelor before actually going on in one on
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  Speaker 2: one with that person is probably just trying to win
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  Speaker 2: the Bachelor more than connect with the human. So do
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  Speaker 2: you think that, like Juliana was in it for the game,
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  Speaker 2: what's your relationship? Like, how did you drive with her
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  Speaker 2: during I.
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  Speaker 3: Will be super honest, I never liked her. I don't
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  Speaker 3: I wish her well. I think she was always poking
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  Speaker 3: the bear and she got a really good edit. I
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  Speaker 3: think on her basketball date, I heard she was not
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  Speaker 3: nice to Zoe either, And I've even got and like
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  Speaker 3: messages from people saying they were like part of that
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  Speaker 3: group date and said that she just wasn't a nice person.
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  Speaker 3: The night that the Rose thing happened, she started accusing
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  Speaker 3: Rose of like putting a damper on the night. So
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  Speaker 3: I had to stand up for Rose and be like,
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  Speaker 3: if anything, blame me. And that's why the moment she
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  Speaker 3: approached me, I was like, what are you getting at, Like,
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  Speaker 3: you're just starting drama. I think had someone else come
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  Speaker 3: to me and been like, hey, just so you know,
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  Speaker 3: like we're feeling this type of way and we want
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  Speaker 3: you to fix it, it would have been more constructive.
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  Speaker 3: But she was coming at me saying like just so
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  Speaker 3: you know, we've been talking about you, so I'm just
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  Speaker 3: gonna tell you straight up. So yeah, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: she's the greatest person, and I think she was trying
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  Speaker 3: to start drama and I don't think she There's no
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  Speaker 3: way that she could have that she could have felt
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  Speaker 3: so confident about him being her person if she hadn't
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  Speaker 3: even had a one on one date, Like, that's insane.
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  Speaker 5: Let's switch gears a little bit. We've identified your storyline.
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  Speaker 5: I am curious also about Grant. We just had Grant
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  Speaker 5: on the show. He I don't actually know if it
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  Speaker 5: has happened yet. He was getting ready for the reality
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  Speaker 5: games or something. But Grant was the bachelor of your season.
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  Speaker 5: Give us, if you don't mind two parts. One, explain
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  Speaker 5: Grant to us as the bachelor, and then also what
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  Speaker 5: your attraction or desire to potentially be in a relationship
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  Speaker 5: with him actually was okay.
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  Speaker 3: The Grant that I met, like in the beginning, was
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  Speaker 3: very reserved, and I've heard him say that he felt
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  Speaker 3: like he had this pressure to be the bachelor, And
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  Speaker 3: I remember even on night one, I was like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't even know if there's going to be a connection there.
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  Speaker 3: But I think on that group date where I made
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  Speaker 3: out with him, and on our one on one, we
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  Speaker 3: had so much fun together, and I think that I
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  Speaker 3: felt really like comfortable with him, and it felt like
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  Speaker 3: a like a relationship that could build off a great friendship.
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  Speaker 3: And I felt really flattered that I could see him
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  Speaker 3: opening up really quickly and he would tell me, which
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  Speaker 3: I mean now he probably told everyone that, but he
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  Speaker 3: was like, I feel like I can just stop being
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  Speaker 3: the bachelor with you and just like be myself. So
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  Speaker 3: I think that's how I ended up like kind of
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  Speaker 3: liking him.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that goes into my next question. So we recently
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  Speaker 2: had Lettia on the podcast and she had said on
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  Speaker 2: the show that he called her the one early on,
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  Speaker 2: but on our show she kind of told us even
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  Speaker 2: more that he kept saying and he kept saying like
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  Speaker 2: I love you and I can't wait, you know, for
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  Speaker 2: it to be us in the end.
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  Speaker 4: Did he ever say things like that to you?
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  Speaker 3: I was listening to that episode yeah, on the way here,
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  Speaker 3: and I was genuinely like cackling because I think Grant
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  Speaker 3: is just like a misunderstood diva. Like I'm a fan
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  Speaker 3: of Grant. I think that he is just like genuinely
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  Speaker 3: not about person. I just think he's so not self
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  Speaker 3: aware because I listened to him and I think this
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  Speaker 3: man is convinced that he didn't say those things to people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the way that he says like, oh, it would be
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  Speaker 3: dumb of me to say this while I'm miked, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: Grant be so for real, like the things that he
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  Speaker 3: said to me. Also while might crazy, like I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if he told Letti that she was the one,
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  Speaker 3: but he was also telling me a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: miked and on Mike, and I would still tell him like,
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  Speaker 3: tone it down because it's a lot, and then he
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  Speaker 3: would still continue to do it. He didn't call me
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  Speaker 3: the one, I will say, but he he was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh when he meet my family, and then he would
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  Speaker 3: make like is.
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  Speaker 5: This what they call love bombing?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm still trying to get my terminology always right
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  Speaker 5: on this show and keeping up with the young'uns.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think I think the whole bosis of the
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  Speaker 3: Bachelor is so accelerated that it is inevitably kind of
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  Speaker 3: love bombing. But it's like, yeah, then don't do it
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  Speaker 3: to every girl, like yeah, be polite, be nice, Like
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  Speaker 3: my crash out was because he had said so much
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  Speaker 3: on that one on one and then me finding out
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: that like he's kind of saying the same thing to everyone,
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, wait, do I need to like really
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: back in, like what's going on? And I felt played. Honestly,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I don't think I would have been a villain if
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: we had a good Bachelor.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: Oh wait, whoa, You're a fan of Grant, but you
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: don't think he was a good I'm.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Like, ironically a fan of Grant, Like I don't.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: I love her.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: I love her, Like I think Grant is so unaware
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: of how funny he is that I like, like I
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: watched his tiktoks that I'm like slaty Eva like yeah,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: like I love him, I'm obsessed with him.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: You love him as entertainment and he's giving you non
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: intentional entertainment, right.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, he didn't come off that way. Here's what's interesting.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: We don't have to dive into he didn't come off
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: that way on The Bachelor, Like he didn't come off
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: as that kind of like really expressive.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Right, he's not being very expressive, like he doesn't. I mean,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: I guess his dances or his I don't know. I
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: just think all I'm saying is he's unintentionally funny, Like
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: he's not being comedic on TikTok. Would you say it's.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: The lack of Selvi.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like the fact that he's so convinced
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: that he's a good guy. And I don't think he's
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: a bad guy either. It's just more of like a
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: oh my god, like you can't be serious.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: So what do you think about this celibacy journey?
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Cool, I'm more concerned about the the dating advice, like
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: so for real, babe, like what but like love him
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: genuinely like big band so funny.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: So have you spoken to him since the show or
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: since the split?
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: No? No, But the other day I was out with
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: a guy that I liked who was also loved bombing
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: me and then that also ended very quickly by the way,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: shout out to him if he watches this, and he was.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: We facetimed Grant. We tried calling Grant like twenty times
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: and he was like, are you not embarrassed? Like Grant
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: saying I thin you're upsets with him? Like no, this
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: is hilarious. And Grant tried answering, but he it wasn't
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: like connecting.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, So Carolyna, I have to go into this just
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: because you just gave me the window. Did you don't
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: have a boyfriend anymore?
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: No, not anymore, like it was never a boyfriend.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Did you have a boyfriend over the summer that you
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: got married to fake?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: No?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: No, it was it was a fake wedding.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: That was a fake wedding to a friend.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh okay, wait, wait, well no, don't just skip
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: over the what do you mean?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you got married in a fake wedding over
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the summer.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Was it like a sponsored thing?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, it's like a party that they're throwing in
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: different countries, And in Puerto Rico it was like, okay,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: who do we pick for this? And it was kind
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: of like iconic that the girl who failed at an engagement,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: you know, would be part of it. So I said,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: sign me up.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Okay. Funny.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: So you.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Have not had a relationship since to the show. Okay,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: so then you have a childhood crush quote quote childhood
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: on Jo Jonas.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: I'm going to check out for the next fifteen minutes.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: God, like we could have like our own episode if
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: you'd like about Jojonas, because I would love to, because like,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you know that I'm you know, yeah,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I saw the eighteen years of of.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: That, but you're married, so just let me have him.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just really glad that I'm married because every time
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: I go to a show and it's okay, like maybe
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: going to my fourth of the tour tomorrow, I'm just
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: really glad that I'm married because I would be absolutely
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: mentally ill. No, I am mentally ill, Like I wouldn't
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: be able to go on a date with anyone else.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: So okay, so I love that this past year. How
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: are you doing? How are you doing being single? During
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the Greetings from your Hometown show?
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: So this is the thing. It's so peaceful not having
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: a crush, like I don't. I don't go to bed
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: thinking about just a lot. But now it's like I
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: go to bed and I'm like, like, I wish I
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: was just like cuddling with Jojonas right now, which is
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: so psychotic. But I think my obsession is less healthy
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: than it was when I was like fourteen.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I've been pretty unhealthy throughout the entire eighteen years. So yeah,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: but like, can you believe what he's been like like
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: one hottest he's ever been, two funnies he's ever been.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Well, no, he was always funny, that's the thing.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: He has always been funny, but he's been like really
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: relaxed lately.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: People didn't get that, and that's why that's I think
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that's why it's hard for me to date men because
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I don't like anyone's personality is the way that I
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: love my parasocial relationship.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: With the parasocial relationship with.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Back in the day. Do you remember, oh, how the
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: tables at tours?
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Of course I have, I know all them.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: The're iconic.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: He's always been.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: So so funny, and it's always been his personality that's
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: made him so attractive.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: And now he's even hotter.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: But now he's even physically hotter, And like, I think
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: that there was a time where he was way more
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: reserved and now he's just big, big bong.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, I I think I've always perceived him as
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: being being bombed. It almost makes me mad that now
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: people want to hop on this bandwagon. I'm like, no,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I've been here this whole time.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I know, all right, So I just wanted to let
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you know that, Like, I feel like you could probably
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: make your way in on that. I know that he
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: is kind of seeing someone, but like, I also don't
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: know how.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Serious it is, And I mean, it's Joe Jonahs. I
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: love him, but you know, I might not last that
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: long and I'm always here for a rebound if he's
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: that's right.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just like really glad we can bond over
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: this like, let's dm like each other some some Instagram reels.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: If I were to have had a meeting with ABC,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I would have been like, can you make this happen
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: if there is any potential of If they had asked like, oh,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: what would you want this to look like? Who would
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: you want to see? I'd be like the Jonahs brothers
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: and they would have said, like, oh, we have relationship
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: with them.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: They certainly do have a relationship with her, I know
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: with the Hulu Disney Plus combo.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Did you see the movie yet?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, fantastic.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Hey, speaking of Rebounds Paradise, we didn't see you in Paradise.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: We would expect you to be in Paradise, but you
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: weren't there. Why were you not there?
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: M that's a great question.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Who would you want to date?
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: It there?
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: That's a thing like who would I like? Can they
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: get me?
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Jo?
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Jonas?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, Jonathan would have been your closest bet,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I mean you know what I mean.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know that. I do know what you mean,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: and I love Jonathan, but like Jonathan, I adore you genuinely.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: The closest you would get as far as like your type.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my type is josonas. Yes, basically I haven't. I
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: don't really have a type, but personality I need. I
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: need big, big bong.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Well in that case, not Jonathan, No, no, no.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Carolina, you weren't in paradise. The show was I don't
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: even know if we can call it rough for you.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: It reminded me a lot of like krin Olympio's like
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: storyline where you're not really a villain, but you're like
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: polarizing and people don't really know how to feel.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: But she at least got more love and she got
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: more clout. Like I was like, what did I get
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: out of this?
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: Well, you went on. You came on the show at
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: a different time than her too, The show was more,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: had a ton more viewers. She also had a very
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: popular Bachelor as her bachelor, and I think people really
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: like I think that helps when it comes to, you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: the cloud that comes to the contestants. Also, she went
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: on a bunch of other shows, which we're going to
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: get to after her time on the show.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: By the way, before we move on, before I forget,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: can I just say the reason why mess I screwed
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: myself over was because because I want to make sure
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: this gets across the right way. I wasn't willing to
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: lie to anyone or manipulate anyone for the clout. I'm
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: just saying, when you look back, you're like, damn, I
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: should just pretend it to be fully into him so
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: that I could just stay longer and then at least
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: benefit from the brand deals. Just so we're clear, I
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: wasn't willing to do that. I'm not.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: The transparency is so wonderful.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: No, No, like I it's true, like you know that
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: you could get opportunities, but I that's that was my
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: self sabotage, was being so open about like I'm not
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: willing to stay here if this guy isn't treating me
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: right just for the sake of TV. So okay, so sorry.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Go ahead. I guess. With all that being said, my question,
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: in the simplest form is do you feel back to yourself?
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Do you feel healthy again? And now looking back on
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: this whole experience, are you still glad you did it?
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't regret doing it, and now like
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I would do it again. I'm like, if I survived this,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this is toxic of me, but
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I I was so sad and so like not even
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: wanting to consider like reality shows or whatever. Now I'm like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: what sign me up?
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Interesting?
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: I mean I do think there's opportunities for you out
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: there with some of these shows that Karinn has done,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: if they still exist, some of those like villain shows
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: or some of those more like those shows out a
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: little crazier perfect Match House of Villain like those things
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: are really popular, and definitely I think they actually talking
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: to a current about it. I actually felt like she
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: felt more herself in those at times, and sometimes it
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: we even went too far in a direction she didn't
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: want it to because it was so wild and she
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: was actually the reserved one. So I do think those
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: opportunities would be really good for you. And if you
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: is listening that cast for those shows, please consider currently not.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Me, please, Yeah, I would do it. I think I
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: learned a lot. I don't regret it. I don't think
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: that it could go any worse for me truly, So
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: bring it on.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Hm.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Did you reach out to any other villains like my
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: friend Sidney was the villain this season before? Did anybody
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: reach out to you?
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Shane reached out to me, okay, which was nice. Yeah,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: but no one I don't, and if someone did, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I'm forgetting them, I'm so sorry. No one that I
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: can remember being a villain.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm sorry I didn't because yeah I didn't.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I know, so sorry we did.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I would defecting a lot here. Thank you so much.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: That was very sweet. You also weren't a villain though, No,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: you were just a crier.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: So was that?
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, we'd crash out, It's fine.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: We did have Zachary reality on who mentioned that you
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: guys had a friendship, but that friendship had wayne for
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: a bit and I felt like it was trying to
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: get back on.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Uh, we're good again.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: You guys are good. You love Zach like we think
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: he's He's an incredible commentator for these real So you
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: guys are good again.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I think I want to wrap this up by asking
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you if, if you weren't the villain of your season,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: who secretly was. I mean, you kind of alluded to
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Juliana of not being as nice as.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I think Juliana, Zoe and Grant, but Grant didn't mean
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: to be. But he's just like so Grant, you know, wait,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: how is Zoe? I think Zoe is a very judgmental person,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: and even then, I think people try, Like I remember
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: hearing about how she was treated on her date where
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: she did actually steal him, and I was like, not cool,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: But I still would have defended her because it feels
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: shitty to be attacked, And I remember trying to be
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: nice to her, like I remember there was a day
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: where she was concerned about like in Spain, when she
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: had extra time with Grant. She came back and she
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: was like, just do you guys know, like she was
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: kind of freaking out a little bit. She was like,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I even if even though it seems like I was
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: gone for a long time, like it wasn't long. Like
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: she was very concerned about how the group would perceive
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: her time, and I was like, don't worry about it,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Like no one was talking about it. Everyone's just like tired,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: like no one's So I tried, like I don't not
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: that we were friends, but I tried being nice to her,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: And then she still came at me for the dumbest thing.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: She called me out for taking a nap on the couch,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: where it's like, why do you care so much if
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I took a nap on the couch and why are
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: you like coming at me and saying like like the
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: things that she was saying in Scotland, where it's like
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: purposely excluding me from a conversation, being super judgmental towards me,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: and then even on social media still being like weird
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: about me. I tried telling her, like I tried complimenting
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: her and being like, never thought we'd agree because everyone
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: knows we don't agree on anything. But like you go girl,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: like trying to be like offer that I'm not gonna
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: be fake and suddenly be like, you know, like I
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: know we've never been friends, but you go o girl,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: and she's like yeah weird. Like I'm just like, why
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: are you like mean? Like I just don't I'm just
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: like okay whatever. She went on another podcast saying that
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I was annoying for taking pictures. It's like when I
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: saw you taking pictures, that's when I asked for pictures
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: of myself, Like you were taking pictures first, what do
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: you mean? Like even I just don't think that. Like,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: if you don't like somebody because of little quirks that
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: they have, you should go on a podcast and just
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: blast them like that and the way like she would
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: just come at me for little things. It's like I
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: didn't seal her time, I didn't do anything to her,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: so I think she was just like petty. Those are
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the people.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I could have seen them flipping in on her too.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I thought she was gonna be the villain the whole time.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: But I don't know whatever you got that, you got
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: that honor clearing me. You have the honor of that
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: title from yourself so much.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: ABC. I love you.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, next question for you, and my final question is
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: what is life? What do you hope life looks like?
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: H kind of in the next few years for you?
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: Coming off of this show? You do you know have
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: a following now you will get a ton of press
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: from this interview. I promise you that what if anybody
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: listens that could support you, help you, or at least
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: have you a part of their projects. What are you
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: hoping comes in the next few years of your life?
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Ooh project wise? Oh, this is like a lot of
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: pressure to answer on the spot.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Let me think, well, I know one you want to
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: go on these shows, any spin off show, you'd be
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: very interested in doing it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Thank you. I love hosting. Like I don't know if
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: this was even shown on the show, but I used
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: to be a TV reporter, like I would loved how
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: we were talking about that before you came on. Yeah,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I would love that. If anyone needs a host, let
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: me know. I don't know literally anything like hit me up.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I'm so for an adventure.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: I would say this, Carolina, you will be perfect on
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: some of these really fun spin off shows like House
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: of Villain and any of these they're cool things that
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: we love to watch people do, and beyond that I
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: could never be a part of because they're saying yes
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: to things that I.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Because he's far too sane, because he has all of
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: his marbles always.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: I think it'd just be fun. It's fun, it's fun
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: to watch, and I think you'd be great at it.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Carolina. You're a pleasure, and so are you guys.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: You guys are even more likable talking to you, like,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: not in person, but you know virtually than I could
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: have even imagined.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: So do you watch the show at all anymore?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Because I would love to have you co host if
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: we ever need a substitute.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me know.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Okay, cool, because you're so fun and honest.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Oh my oh yeah, okay.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll take a break. I'll just like I won't
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: I will not show up. I will not be here.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: You you two can go on and on and on
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: about whatever you want to talk.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Already distracted conversation where we relate everything back to Joe.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I literally started talking to I'm like, where was
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: I going this? And I'm just hoping I find it again?
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: So well, that makes two of us.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben's probably biggest faux pas about doing a podcast
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: with me.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you just kind of get used to it after
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: you Carolina, It's been great. Hopefully you come back soon.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Until next time, I've been Ben, Thank.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: You, I've been Ashley. Bye.
• 32:23
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• 32:26
  Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.