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Wealthy Lady Rancher DISAPPEARS from Cali Ranch: WHERE'S DIA? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace.
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  Speaker 2: She's beautiful, she is accomplished, she is wealthy, she runs
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  Speaker 2: a huge ranch, and she's missing or is she dead?
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us here at Crime Stories and on series
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  Speaker 2: XM one eleven.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: A wealthy widow, gorgeous, stunning, vibrant. Her name is Dia Abrams.
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  Speaker 2: Something is very wrong with this scenario.
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  Speaker 4: Listen Lydia Conchello Abrams, Dia. She and her sister grew
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  Speaker 4: up in San Diego, California. Dia met and Mary Clymy Abrams,
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  Speaker 4: a wealthy La Jolla, California real estate developer. They had
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  Speaker 4: two children, Clinton and Chris Sara. After more than thirty
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  Speaker 4: years of marriage, Clyt Abrams passed away after a long illness,
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  Speaker 4: and Dia stepped up to run the one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: sixteen acre family ranch.
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  Speaker 2: Over one hundred acre ranch and she has no problem
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  Speaker 2: running it. So how does this woman, I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: you look at her, beautiful, smart runs the ranch all
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  Speaker 2: by herself, how does she somehow vanish off the face
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  Speaker 2: of the earth. Last saying on a neighbor's door cam,
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  Speaker 2: you know the ring door camp.
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  Speaker 3: Well things changed listen.
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  Speaker 5: According to her son, Dia Abrams is sweet, kind and
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  Speaker 5: a caring person. She loves animals, especially her dog Ruby,
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  Speaker 5: miniature donkeys and a miniature pony which live at the ranch.
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  Speaker 5: Clinton Abrams says animals in nature are his mother's two
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  Speaker 5: favorite interests.
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  Speaker 4: Dia he inherits some of her late husband's properties, as
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  Speaker 4: well as a marital trust, and nominates her daughter as trustee.
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  Speaker 4: Her children will be the beneficiaries in the event of
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  Speaker 4: DA's death. After years as a widow, Abrams meets Keith
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  Speaker 4: Harper on a dating website. According to The Mercury News,
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  Speaker 4: Harper is a retired parole agent from the Utah Department
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  Speaker 4: of Corrections. The two headed off, and six months later
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  Speaker 4: Harper moves in with Dia at the ranch. According to Harper,
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  Speaker 4: he worked and upgraded the Abrams property, building dams, bridges, fences,
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  Speaker 4: and helping care for animals. Harper also claims to be
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  Speaker 4: Abram's fiance.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, right, there is there a fox in the henhouse
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  Speaker 2: with me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we know right now. But first I'm going straight
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  Speaker 2: out to a correspondent for the Idlewild Town Crier newspaper,
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  Speaker 2: David Jerome, David, thank you for being with us. How
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  Speaker 2: much money are we talking about that, Dia? I think
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  Speaker 2: she has this huge ranch. I'm not talking about a
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  Speaker 2: little farm like my grandparents had where we would go
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  Speaker 2: out and feed the chickens and take care of all
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  Speaker 2: the animals. This is a big operation. What is it
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  Speaker 2: like two hours from San Diego?
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  Speaker 6: About more than two How much.
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  Speaker 3: Money are we talking about? How big is the ranch? Exactly?
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  Speaker 6: You said one hundred and sixteen acres? There's five houses,
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  Speaker 6: five buildings on the ranch.
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  Speaker 2: Smaller buildings also, so five houses or buildings plus other buildings.
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  Speaker 3: What exactly do you mean?
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  Speaker 6: Well, they were running an airbnb at don't we know
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  Speaker 6: how many of the buildings are dwell? Abo?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, I'm writing that down,
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  Speaker 2: David Jerome with me, Guys, did you say not only
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  Speaker 2: is her home there, but there's an airbnb there.
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  Speaker 6: As Da began looking for ways to make money, she
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  Speaker 6: had friends help her rent out units on the property
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  Speaker 6: as an airbnb, and Keith attempted to do her supposed
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  Speaker 6: fiance continued to do that after her disappearance.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm still not getting this. It's not you, it's me.
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  Speaker 2: How many structures are on the one hundred plus acre rant.
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  Speaker 6: I've heard five mentioned. I mean those would be a
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  Speaker 6: buildings you can live, and they're probably also barns and
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  Speaker 6: garages and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 2: The ranch off Apple Canyon Road in Mountain Center is
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  Speaker 2: apparently gorgeous. Dia has blonde hair. She's about five to four.
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  Speaker 2: She's last seen on a Saturday two PM wearing jeans,
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  Speaker 2: a yellow shirt, and a black multicolored windbreaker. She was
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  Speaker 2: heading to the Garner Valley area. However, her vehicle, handbag, keys,
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  Speaker 2: and cell phone were all still at her home.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's a conundrum right there. But let's keep going.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see what else we can find out.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I heard you say, David Jerome, her supposed fiance
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  Speaker 2: very quickly. Was there ever an engagement party, an announcement
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  Speaker 2: in the paper? Was there a date set for the wedding?
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  Speaker 2: Whose word do I have they were engaged other than his?
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  Speaker 7: Is no one.
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  Speaker 6: Her friends all referred to him as a boyfriend and
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  Speaker 6: had not heard of this engagement.
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  Speaker 2: That's curious, David Jerome, That's highly curious.
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  Speaker 3: Was there an engagement ring.
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  Speaker 6: Keith alleges there was, but can't remember where you got
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  Speaker 6: it from. Can't remember where you bought it from.
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  Speaker 2: Guys were talking about Keith a ranch hand. His name
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  Speaker 2: was Keith Harper and he had been working on the
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  Speaker 2: ranch and now says he was her fiance and she's missing.
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  Speaker 3: That's just the tip of the iceberg.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to talk about not knowing where you
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  Speaker 2: get an engagement ring.
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  Speaker 3: I got a problem with that. Let me go.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst. You can
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  Speaker 2: find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. You have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of your practice on Rodeo drive FYI, the rest
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  Speaker 2: of us say rodeo. But go ahead, doctor Bethany Marshall.
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  Speaker 2: I think I've told you this. My grandmother Lucy gave
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  Speaker 2: me in her life her engagement ring.
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  Speaker 3: I know I can tell you right now.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly where she got it and when she got it,
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  Speaker 2: when my grandfather gave it to her, And I can
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  Speaker 2: tell you where it is right now my wedding ban.
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  Speaker 3: As you know, I didn't have one or.
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  Speaker 2: An engagement ring for a really long time because I
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  Speaker 2: used my grandmother's as mine one day I was about
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  Speaker 2: to give birth. David and I were walking down the
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  Speaker 2: street on Third Avenue, by the Way in New York,
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  Speaker 2: and there was a little jewelry store. He said, just
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  Speaker 2: let's look in there for a ring, and we had
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  Speaker 2: already looked everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't like anything.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted something flexible, you know, that wasn't hard set.
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  Speaker 2: And we walked you. I told the lady what I
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  Speaker 2: was looking for. She owned the little store. She held
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  Speaker 2: up her hand, Bethany, and she said, like this, and
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  Speaker 2: she took it off and it was FLEXI like it squishes,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, yes, where did you get that? And
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  Speaker 2: she said from Italy and I can get you one.
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  Speaker 2: And we waited like six months and we got it.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you, how do you not know where
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  Speaker 2: your engagement ring comes from?
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  Speaker 8: And Nancy, I know where mine came from. It came
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  Speaker 8: from my husband's grandmother. And I know where they got
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  Speaker 8: the stone. I know the color of the stone. I
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  Speaker 8: know it's slightly off color because the grandfather was color blind.
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  Speaker 8: Because we know the stories around the stones, the rings,
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  Speaker 8: the things that are such an important part of marriage
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  Speaker 8: and commitment. But Althia, I have a couple other problems
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  Speaker 8: with this story. I just stood out as you and
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  Speaker 8: the reporter were talking when Harper says that he made
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  Speaker 8: improvements to the property. That's not how somebody talks when
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  Speaker 8: they're in a cohesive relationship. They say we made improvements
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  Speaker 8: to the property.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even catch that, Bethany.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I've been hanging around with you long enough
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  Speaker 2: that I would catch everything.
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  Speaker 3: I did not catch that.
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  Speaker 6: But you're right also.
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  Speaker 8: The fact that she's a wealthy woman, but they being
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  Speaker 8: putting one of the proper properties up as an Airbnb.
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  Speaker 8: That strewd out to me too, because it tells me
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  Speaker 8: bakes the question. Is Harper trying to monetize his relationship
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  Speaker 8: with kah Well, wait.
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  Speaker 3: A minute, Wait a minute, hold on, right there, there's
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  Speaker 3: another thing.
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  Speaker 2: David Jerome joining me, correspondent with the Idlewild Town Crier.
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  Speaker 3: David, I also.
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  Speaker 2: Know that it's been said she loved adventure. So if
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  Speaker 2: they opened, use a couple of those buildings on our property.
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  Speaker 2: And remember all this tame from her original husband, and
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  Speaker 2: he passed away. He had a long illness and she
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  Speaker 2: got the bult a lot of the estate. Anyway, if
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  Speaker 2: she loved adventure, David Jerome. She might have thought it
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  Speaker 2: was an adventure to start an airbnb. I mean that
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  Speaker 2: starting had been breakfast. That's a lot of people's dreams.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, there's a whole other side of this, which is
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  Speaker 6: that there's the question of the mayoral estate and the
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  Speaker 6: mayoral trust and the family trust. Clem her usband was
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  Speaker 6: too clever by half and had put in some clauses
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  Speaker 6: having to do with the estate tax. That meant that
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  Speaker 6: in the end, when he died, nothing went into the
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  Speaker 6: marital trust, and Dia had to file papers against Clinton
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  Speaker 6: and Chrissara to try to get that funded. So she
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  Speaker 6: was house rich and cash poor. She did not have
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  Speaker 6: the she was used to getting maybe fifteen thousand a
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  Speaker 6: month to pay taxes, insurance, mortgage expenses, everything and now
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  Speaker 6: and again, I can't confirm that she was cut off
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  Speaker 6: without a penny, but she was cut off.
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  Speaker 3: So she got property, right.
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  Speaker 6: Right, She has real estate.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So she gets real estate and the children get money.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, got it, I got it. House rich she had.
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  Speaker 6: She had a few properties that were put in her name.
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  Speaker 6: The properties in Garner Valley were put in her names,
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  Speaker 6: and she put them in her own trust. But everything
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  Speaker 6: else was with the family. The intention of Clem's will
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  Speaker 6: and trusts was that the money up to the limit
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  Speaker 6: of the estate tax would go into a family trust
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  Speaker 6: and the remainder go TODA and the state trucks was repealed.
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  Speaker 6: She would get six million, corrected for inflation. What he
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  Speaker 6: didn't foresee was that the estate tax would be doubled
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  Speaker 6: to over ten million dollars, and all the money went
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  Speaker 6: into the family trust and nothing into the marital trust.
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  Speaker 6: And she was filing and fighting her family trying to
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  Speaker 6: get funding.
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  Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Another thing I'm noticing, David Jerome is that she met
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  Speaker 2: Keith Harper on a website.
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  Speaker 6: That's what people say, Yes, okay.
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  Speaker 3: What is farmers Only? I've actually never heard of that website.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, by the time I find out about a
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  Speaker 2: dating website, somebody's missing or dead.
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  Speaker 3: But what is farmers Did.
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  Speaker 2: You hear that, Sidney? What what's farmers only?
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  Speaker 6: It's a great way to meet ladies who own land.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you just cut the chase right there, A great
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  Speaker 2: way to meet ladies that have land. Dan Goldsmith with
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  Speaker 2: me joining us from this jurisdiction in California, Private I
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  Speaker 2: owner of Goldsmith Investigations, also former law enforcement and senior
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  Speaker 2: state investigator.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like the sound of that, although it.
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  Speaker 2: May be entirely true, Dan Goldsmith that farmers only is
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  Speaker 2: a great way to meet ladies with land.
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  Speaker 7: Well, apparently it's one way to do it. But he
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  Speaker 7: took advantage of it because it looked like he moved
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  Speaker 7: in fairly, fairly quickly after meeting with her.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, do we know David Jerome Weather he was
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  Speaker 2: a farmer? Did he have land as well?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, he apparently had eighty five acres in Nadville, Arizona,
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  Speaker 6: which is near the Grand Wash Cliffs. He owns the
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  Speaker 6: storage business in New Mexico. His family apparently still runs
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  Speaker 6: his what was called Outlaw Tours in Durango and has
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  Speaker 6: probably changed its name since then.
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  Speaker 2: Outlaw Tours in Durango. Okay, so he's bringing something to
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  Speaker 2: the table. But let's go beyond this. This is a
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  Speaker 2: wealthy widow, gorgeous accomplished.
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  Speaker 3: Running a ranch. She meets up with him on.
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  Speaker 2: A website shortly after she goes missing, but not before
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  Speaker 2: she names him the ranch hand.
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  Speaker 3: As trustee of her estate.
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  Speaker 5: Listen after her new romance begins, Abram amends her trust
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  Speaker 5: and instead names Keith Harper, the manager of her ranch,
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  Speaker 5: and Diana Fetter, a neighbor and friend, as trustees of
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  Speaker 5: her estate. Harper is named beneficiary in the event of
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  Speaker 5: her death. On June sixth, twenty twenty, Dia Abrams has
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  Speaker 5: seen at her ranch on doorbell cam footage that morning
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  Speaker 5: delivering cinnamon rolls to a neighbor. According to Keith Harper,
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  Speaker 5: he and Dia have lunch around two thirty PM. Before
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  Speaker 5: he leaves to work around the property. Abrams reportedly goes
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  Speaker 5: to tend to her horses at another property she owns
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  Speaker 5: in Garner Valley.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Athny Marshall, I hope you tell your clients,
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  Speaker 2: especially your lady clients, don't mix sex with business.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a good outcome.
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  Speaker 2: Don't do it. Why do you when you fall in love, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: certainly have to. You have to hand over all your
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  Speaker 2: money and your titles to property, everything over to the boyfriend.
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  Speaker 8: Why you know, Nancy, I have seen this time and
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  Speaker 8: time again, women who are competent, bright, they've built their
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  Speaker 8: own estates, they have money, they really have success in life,
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  Speaker 8: and then they meet a man and all of a
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  Speaker 8: sudden they feel that the man has greater expertise than
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  Speaker 8: they do. I see this with celebrities. I have some
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  Speaker 8: really really famous celebrities in my practice who they became
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  Speaker 8: rich and famous all on their own. They act on
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  Speaker 8: a world stage, they seeing on a world stage. They
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  Speaker 8: got a boyfriend, maybe a PA production assistant somewhere, and
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  Speaker 8: all of a sudden, that PA becomes the experts managing
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  Speaker 8: their life, running their life, and they turn over the
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  Speaker 8: keys to the kingdom. And it's really really a sad problem,
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  Speaker 8: and it really, you know, it makes me feel that
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  Speaker 8: Dia on some level was desperate and vulnerable because of
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  Speaker 8: what was happening with the estate ante.
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  Speaker 3: Why do you say desperate? Maybe she was just lonely.
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  Speaker 2: This woman does not seem desperate to me. Hold on,
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Joining me right now is Brenda Geiger, Lawyer,
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  Speaker 2: Managing attorney for the Geiger Law Office, a trust in
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  Speaker 2: the States law firm, and author of Secrets of Great
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  Speaker 2: Estate Planning and author of estate Planning Secrets of the Affluent.
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  Speaker 2: You can find Brenda at Geiger Lawoffice dot com. And
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot more about Brenda Geiger.
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  Speaker 3: All good.
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  Speaker 2: Brenda Geiger jump in do you see this happen a lot.
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  Speaker 2: You've got a beautiful woman, a widow, all alone, and
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  Speaker 2: suddenly I'm a man enters her life and she wants
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  Speaker 2: to sign over the farm.
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  Speaker 3: Literally, in this case, she signs over the farm.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, it's not totally common, but I have seen things
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  Speaker 9: like this before where somebody has used affection or intimidation
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  Speaker 9: or coersion to unduly influence somebody. And it sounds like
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  Speaker 9: in this case. I don't know if this is where
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  Speaker 9: you're going, but there was an action filed by her
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  Speaker 9: children for an undue influenced claim that happened I think
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  Speaker 9: in twenty twenty one, and then there are some court
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  Speaker 9: documents in twenty twenty three about a settlement of settling
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  Speaker 9: that estate instead of at all going to him, it
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  Speaker 9: would go fifty to fifty. If she's determined to be deceased,
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  Speaker 9: you know, fifty percent of the children, fifty percent to
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  Speaker 9: him to Harper.
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  Speaker 2: This is all about money. I don't like the smell
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  Speaker 2: of it one bit. Davy Jerome joining us Idle Wild
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  Speaker 2: Town Crier. Is it true that Keith Harper, the ranch
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  Speaker 2: hand slash fiance, is a registered sex offender?
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  Speaker 6: Apparently so Colorado.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I need to know is he or is he not?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Not apparently? I want to know do I have the
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  Speaker 2: right person? Is the right dob? Is it the right jurisdiction?
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  Speaker 2: So the answer then is yes, Yeah, he's a registered
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  Speaker 2: sex offender in.
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  Speaker 6: Colorado and he has to apparently he has to register
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  Speaker 6: in California too.
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  Speaker 3: When is that going to happen?
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  Speaker 6: He has, but he's also keeps on appealing that it's
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  Speaker 6: close to it'll expire in twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it's just twenty twenty three, So appealing at what? Why?
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  Speaker 3: For what reason?
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  Speaker 6: He keeps on thinking that if he can appeal it,
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  Speaker 6: he can end the probation or end the registration. But
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  Speaker 6: it hasn't worked.
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  Speaker 2: He's a sex offender on the registry because he groped
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  Speaker 2: to women.
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  Speaker 3: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: What do we know about those instances.
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  Speaker 6: That he was running tours his outlaw tour business and
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  Speaker 6: Colorado Durango. It was a snowmobile tour. There were three
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  Speaker 6: women that say that he groped them. He says he
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  Speaker 6: was trying to prevent an eminent accident that Jerry believed
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  Speaker 6: believed them and he could have gotten probation, But he
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  Speaker 6: argued with the judge and didn't like probation, so he
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  Speaker 6: ended up thaying nine months behind bars.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, hold on just a moment. He could have gotten probation,
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  Speaker 2: but he didn't want probation.
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  Speaker 3: Did you just say that.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, she insisted on his innocence and that he didn't
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  Speaker 6: want probation. In the judge satisfied him by throwing him
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  Speaker 6: in the pokey for nine months.
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  Speaker 2: Two counts of unlawful sex conduct, which is a misdemeanor.
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  Speaker 3: I've got that.
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  Speaker 2: He served one year in jail and had to register
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  Speaker 2: as a sex offender.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, he probably served nine months of the one year.
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  Speaker 2: Former boyfriend of Dia Abrams, who has gone missing, has
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  Speaker 2: to continue to register as a sex offender. He represented
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  Speaker 2: himself in court in the last months in San Juan County, Colorado.
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  Speaker 2: That's where he was convicted. Now this was ten years
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  Speaker 2: ago and since that time, Davy Jerome, has he had
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  Speaker 2: any other infraction.
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  Speaker 3: Of the law.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think so, beyond a speeding ticket or something.
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  Speaker 7: He did one what I'm sorry, it's Dan GOLLSLM. He
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  Speaker 7: did have a conviction of a domestic violence in Colorado.
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  Speaker 3: Really, that's the one I didn't know about.
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: When was that Dan twenty ten, I believe.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, so his criminal past goes way back. Some would
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: argue because of the time lapse that it is irrelevant.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I feel that way. Did you say,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Davy Jerome, that a jury convicted.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: Him, Yes, although Carper said it was a jury of
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: five people and the judge was a CHP officer. But
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: that's his story. But yes, the jury convicted him.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, Let's get to the day that Dia disappears. Take
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: a listen to Dave Matt Keith.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Harper says he was mowing five hours before returning to
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: the house around seven thirty pm. Abram's four f three
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: to fifty pickups parked outside, but Harper cannot find Abrams.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Harper says he called her phone heard it ringing upstairs.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: It was plugged into a charger next to a nightstand.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Abrams purs and keys are also there. Harper says he
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: called a California Highway Patrol officer who lives nearby. The officer,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: according to Harper, told of them law enforcement would not
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: take any action until Abrams had been missing for three days.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Harper began calling Abram's friends and neighbors, a community search
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: party has formed. Dozens of locals scoured the ranch and
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: surrounding mountain area on foot, horseback, and all trained vehicles.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Harper is seen riding an ATV around the property.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, Mike Hetzel is joining US president founder Peace River
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: K nine Search and Rescue. You can find him at
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: PSAR dot org. Mike Hatzel, what, We've seen a lot
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: of cases where women go missing. But from what I'm
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: hearing right here, and I don't like a lot of
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: what I've heard about Keith Harper.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: But he immediately calls a friend.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: We know she's alive that morning because she's caught on video.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: One of her neighbors is fighting cancer and she takes
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: homemade semon rolls to the neighbor and she is on
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: ring cam. So we know that his story about that
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: is true. He is the one that volunteers that they
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: have lunch together and that that was around I think
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: between twelve thirty and two thirty. He is the last
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: one that says he saw her. But Mike Hatzel, when
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: women go missing, I'm very very accustomed to boyfriends, lovers,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: husband's ex husbands not calling the police till days pass,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: not taking part in the search, not calling friends or employers, coworkers,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: but he did. She was alive that morning. She's on
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: a ring cam fit as a fiddle. We even know
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: what she was wearing that afternoon. He says he was
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: working for hours and hours comes back. She's gone, her purse,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: her cell phone, her keys are all there. He calls
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: a friend that's a highway patrol. He says she's missing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: He calls neighbors and friends. They start searching. He also
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: is searching. What do you make of that, Mike Catzelf, Well,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: there's a.
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: Lot of unaccounted time. There isn't there So we know
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: that the last time that she was at nine point thirty.
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: The only time stamp he has is from him. But
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: there's still about six hours on accounting for which is
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: plenty of time for something to happen and put the
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: body into hiding. So the question is where is it?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Well, he's right, Davy Jerome. Where was the lunch? Supposedly
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: in their house, in the house, the main house.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: In the property.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Do we have any digital trail left by her, such
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: as she called a friend, she sent a text, as
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: she did an ATM withdrawal of money on her computer.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: She went shopping on Amazon.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Do we have any digital trail showing or purporting to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: show she's alive after that morning at the neighbors not
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: that we know.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: No, the police have not said that there's any find
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: that she acted after that.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, Dan Goldsmith, I've got a problem with that. I
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: have a big problem with that because in this day
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: and age, people text, She had friends, she had family,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: she was running in an airbnb.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: It's very hard for me to believe.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: She didn't make one phone call or send one text
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: from the time she left that neighbor's home that morning.
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: Well, another thing too, is you think if you see
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: the photos of her, obviously she likes to take care
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: of herself. It looks like she does her hair up,
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: she uses makeup. Someone a woman like who in this
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: status is not going to sit there and leave her
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: purse and her makeup and her phone. That's the connection
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: to the world. I mean, there's just no way that
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: that's going to be a voluntary thing, that she's not
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: going to take any of that stuff with her.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Well, I got another issue.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: According to the boyfriend, she was going to the Garner
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Valley area. However, her vehicle, purse cays and cellphone.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: We're all still at home. So how's she going to
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: go there without her car?
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Unless she got an uber, which there's no suggestion that
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: she did. She went everywhere in her own vehicle. Let's
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: listen to more.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Riverside County Sheriff's deputies begin a day's long search, but
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: before it starts, Harper packs up his RV and takes
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: off for Arizona. He says he needs to take care
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: of a tax issue at a property he owns there.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: The Mercury News reports from there, he says he travels
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: to a storage facility he owns in Aztec, New Mexico.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: He is gone seven days.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, I need to hear that again, Jackie, could you
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: please play that our friendsman Crime Online tell me that again?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: What.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Riverside County Sheriff's deputies begin a day's long search, but
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: before it starts, Harper packs up his RV and takes
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: off for Arizona. He says he needs to take care
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: of a tax issue at a property he owns there.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: The Mercury News reports from there, he says he travels
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: to a storage facility he owns in as Tech, New Mexico.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: He's gone seven days.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, listen.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: The last one I want to tangle with is the irs.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: When they take my check every year, I say thank you,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: and I want to tip them just I like to
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: feed the tiger and go away, of course with a
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: long handlespoon. But you leave when your alleged fiance is
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: missing to go handle a tax matter at a property
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: in another state, then to a storage facility in New Mexico,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and you're gone for seven days.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: You know, Brenda Geiger is with me.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: And her specialty, as you know from all the books
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: she's written, is trust and estates. But she's a lawyer.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: To Brenda Geiger, that just looks bad. And any defense
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: attorney that I would say that too, would go, well,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: there's no playbook for grief. I've had that thrown in
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: my face a million times, and guess what, they're right.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: But you tell that to a jury, they're not buying that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: He least for seven days while she's gone missing.
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that just sounds really weird, you know. With the
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: thought when I read all of that is that you know,
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: did he potentially put her body into the RV and
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: take off with it and bury her somewhere?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Think of that drive Brenda, hold on, let me look here.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: So he goes all the way to Arizona. Then he
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: goes from Arizona to New Mexico. She could be anywhere
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: along that route. Listen, if I find out he put
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: his cell phone on airplane motor turned it off during
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the drive, I'm going to do a backflip. That's what
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Brian Cooburger did after the four Beautiful University Idaho's students
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: were murdered. Suddenly he's driving around near their home in
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the middle of the night, three eight, four am, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: he turns his cell phone off.
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: Nancy, it's not only that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I was just counting the second still. Bethany Marshall, pipe ten.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you did actually go ahead, and Brenda, we
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: all think you're way too polite. This is more like
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: a free for all, Brenda, So just jump in right,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: go ahead, go ahead, doctor, Bethany.
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: Nancy, it's the hypervilege. He doesn't just say I have
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: a matter to take care of. I have to go
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: to a property to take care of a tax issue.
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: That doesn't sound true unless the irs is coming in
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: and you know, taking all your possessions because you owe
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: him so much money. It doesn't sound real. So the
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: language he uses a little is a little like Casey Anthony.
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: You know, everything was just a little too grand, a
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: little too detailed, a lot of self aggrandizement in the stories.
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: I don't even know if he owns property anywhere.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Now correct me if I'm wrong.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: But hyperbole, which just threw on us, is when you exaggerate,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: not necessarily, when you.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Add additional facts.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, my headache is so bad, I think
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: my head's.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Gonna blow up. That would be hyperbole.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: However, in this case, saying I've got to run out
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: of town, he adds these facts because they've got to
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: see about a tax matter about a property I own
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: in Arizona. And then I got to go to a facility,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: my story's facility.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: In New Mexico.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: So you and I can split hairs about what is
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: hyperbole and what is you know? Methinks thou dost protest
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: too much, I'll throw a Shakespeare quote on you, and.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: The story shifts and depositions. He said, oh no, oh wait, wait.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Wait, I'm so happy. Okay, he changed his story. David Jerome,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: that's a headline. That's a bombshell.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Hit me. He changed his story, which he's changing.
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: The story is the story. In the deposition, he said
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: the only reason they were going to leaving state was
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: that for DEA's safety, that she felt she felt unsafe,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: She was worried that someone was coming to get her.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, is he saying Dia went with him
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: out of the state.
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: He was planning the only reason they were planning this
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: trip was to getda out of the states so she'd
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: feels safer. But then when she disappeared, he decided to
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: go by himself. And then there's a tax issue, and
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: then the reason we stayed a week.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, David Jerome, you're giving me too much too fast.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm drinking on the fire hydrant.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, I haven't heard that everything up until now, I
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: kind of already knew about tell me this again.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: So in the deposition he gave to Clinton and Crassara's attorney.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Those are the children.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: Yes, the only reason he was going was that Dia
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: felt unsafe and was she been writing notes saying that
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: she was in danger and felt threatened in the property.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: And then when she went missing, he decided to do
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: the trip anyways, and now the story changes.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, that doesn't even make any sense. So she felt
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: unsafe so and threatened somehow, so he agrees to take
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: her on this trip. Then she actually does go missing
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: and he goes on the trip alone.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Did I understand that correctly?
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: Precisely?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy, Dan Goldsmith.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Don't you just love it when people waive their right
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to a lawyer and they talk under oath in a deposition.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy.
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a great deposition because he did. And
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: if you if you read in there, he's the people.
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: He's saying that he's afraid that she's afraid of is
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: their son. And then but he kept using the word
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: her son was going to make her disappear. That's an
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: odd phraseology. You think, if he's going to kill me,
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: or if he's going to do murder or you know,
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: wants to do me in whatever. He kept saying disappeared,
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: which is actually what happened. And I would never phrase
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: it like that, and he said it probably five or
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: six times.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Well, authorities have just as many questions as we do.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Listen to our friend at Crime Online, Dave mac.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Authorities catch up with Harper in New Mexico and impound
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: his recreational vehicle investigators remove a section of the front
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: driver's seat is evidence. Authority search the Benita Vesta rane
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: and find a tanned bed sheet, a band aid and
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: toilet paper all stained with possible blood, two spin bullet casings,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: two handwritten letters, and a netgear router. We're also seesed.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys joining me an all star panel on that.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I've got to go to Dan Gildsmith, private eye, former
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: law enforcement.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: That's not good.
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: Oh no, it's not good. If there's evidence, and it's easy,
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: pretty easy to test it and see if it's her
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: blood's You've got some explaining to do.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And that's what I don't understand. Has it been tested,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Davy Jerome? Is it her blood?
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: The police don't say much. Keith story is he's all
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: it has thin skin and bleeds a little bit now
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: and then. And the bullet casings are when there are
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: coyotes threatening the animals, they make two shots in the air.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: You know what, I could believe the thin scin My
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: dad had that and was on blood thinner and if
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: he got cut or even bumped his hand, he would
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: bleed like crazy.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: And I could separately believe.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you shoot in the air, if you see coyote
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: on your property, if you have animals there. But when
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: you add the two together, plus the wacky story that
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: she's afraid of her son and was writing notes that
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: she was afraid and wanted to get away, and then
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: she goes missing and he goes away anyway instead of
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: trying to find her. No, No, it's starting to become
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: too much evidence.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: But that's not all. Wait for it, another dead body
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: pops up. Take a listen.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Eighteen months after Abram's disappearance, another tragedy happens at the Ranch.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Ranch had Jody Newkirk dies in a reported ATV rollover accident.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: It's Keith Harper who found her. Newkirk had reportedly worked
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: on the ranch for about three and a half months.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Harper says she asked him for a shovel and then
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: wrote off to look for a Christmas tree, even though
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: ing About an hour later, Harper says he went looking
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: for Newkirk, noticed a blinking orange light in the distance,
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: and found Newkirk beneath the ATV. Harper calls nine to
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: one one sometime after five pm. A responding CHP officer
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: finds him performing CPR on Newkirk. She is pinned underneath
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: the altrained vehicle. The Mercury News reports paramedics pronounced Newkirk
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: forty six dead less than ten minutes later. The responding
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: CHP officer has questions. He reportedly tells the coroner that
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: there did not appear to be any trauma on Newkirk's
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: body consistent with a rollover accident. There is no observed
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: major damage to the ATV, and tire tracks leading to
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: the vehicle end abruptly behind it, indicating the ATV simply
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: came to a stop. There were also no skin or
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: slide marks, and the soil around the ATV is not disturbed.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And as it turns out, the cod cause of death
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: was actually a meth overdose. Okay, So why then did
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: he say that she died beneath an ATV from a
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: rollover when all the evidence shows the ATV did not
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: roll over, her body didn't die, she did pass away,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: and the body indicates no trauma from an ATV rollover
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: on her.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: So why did he say that? Now?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I've got one missing girlfriend and a dead ranch hand.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greace.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: There's more. Listen.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Keith Harper has been living on DIA Abram's property since
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: he returned from his RV trip to Arizona in New
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Mexico less than forty eight hours after she was last seen.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: On August tenth, Harper allegedly content Orange County real estate
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: agent Jeanine Daniels, telling her he had owned the Beneatha
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: list of property for sixteen years. According to a sworn
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: declaration filed in court by Daniels, Harper told her that
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: he believed the property was worth five point two million
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: dollars and he would like it to be listed on
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: the market starting in February twenty twenty four. Harper's attorney,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Rob Shilling initially denied that Harper tried to list the
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: ranch for sale and said, quote, we've got unsubstatuated allegations
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: other than this woman saying he wanted to list the property.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Mister Harper denies that that ever occurred.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: No way, no way, Davy Jerome, Isn't it true that
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Keith Harper's lawyer said he didn't try to list that property,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: but then the realtor showed screenshots of him texting her
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: about listing the property.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: That's correct.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: This guy's telling.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Way too many lies, way too many lies. So explain
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: to me, Davy Jerome, where does he stand in line
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: to get her proper pretty and money? And why the
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: hey are we getting an analysis on that blood the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: DNA found in his RV.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: He still stands to take half of that property.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Now, what can you tell me about some agreement between
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: him and the children if nobody gets charged with their disappearance,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: they're gonna split the money in twenty twenty five?
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Is that real?
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: It's the The last court document that came out was
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: that that was but he's been removed as a trustee
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: since then and he's now been evicted.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Also, Well, I don't understand how you can do that,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Brenda Geiger. Brenda Geiger is renowned for trusts and estates work.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you, people have killed over a
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: lot less than one hundred and sixteen acre ranch and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: some money.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: A lot less, you know, Brenda Geiger.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: A case I prosecuted was over a five dollars hit
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: of crack. I had another one over a twenty five
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: dollars debt. So people kill over a lot less? Yes,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: then a big beautiful ranch in California. So, Brenda, I'm
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: not sure that that's real. David drum jump in if
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: you know better. But how can three people, two children
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: and a boyfriend agree, Hey, if neither of us get
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: charged with her disappearance or murder, will split all our
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: money in twenty twenty five. I've never heard of that.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: It sounds illegal.
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: Well, basically, he was left as the beneficiary of the
• 36:29
  Speaker 9: restated trust that she did two weeks before she died.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, dear, I didn't realize it was just two weeks
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: before she died. Brenda, I'm so glad you said that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so you know, that's where the potential for what
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: we call an undue influenced claim is made with the court.
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: That's what DIA's children did, so they filed this petition
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: saying that he unduly influenced her decision to make that change.
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: And so the court looked at several different factors and
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: a lot of times in these cases, the parties will
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: come to an agreement because they're slogging it out, slogging
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: it out, and in order to you know, shortcut protracted litigation,
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: they'll go in and they'll make a settlement. So in
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: this case, the parties, you know, her children and Harper,
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: even though everything was supposed to go one hundred percent
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: to Harper if within the five year period. You know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: if somebody disappears in California for five years, then you
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: if they reach that five year period and the person
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: doesn't appear, they're presumed to be dead. So at that
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: point that's when the trust terms would go into effect.
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: Or in this case, because there was that petition that
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: was filed with the court and approved back in March
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: of twenty twenty three, that order by the judge says
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: that fifty percent will go the liquidated estate. You know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: all the properties get sold, fifty percent will go to
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: Daz two children, fifty percent to Harper. But there's one
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: rub here. If by chance, either one of the children
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: or Harper are found to have been responsible for her death,
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: there's a thing called a slayer statue in California which
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: prohibits anybody from inheriting under those circumstances.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And it's not nearly as nefarious as it sounded when
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I said it.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: I kind of like my way better, but actually I
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: think you're right.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: So, long story short, if the number of years pass
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: and she is assumed.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: Dead with that new trust that is it was that
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: Brenda who just put in that it was put in effect.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: That was signed two weeks before her disappearance. She previously
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: had a reputable San Diego attorney that was filing her
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: papers as she fought her children in court. But now
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: she drove down to Palm Springs and found a new attorney,
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: man named Dennis Healy, who draws up this new trust
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: and begins shows up a few times at court with Harper,
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: and then himself dies unexpectedly of natural causes. So we'll
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: never know whether do you really filed that trust, or
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: whether Keith was with her or anything like that.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Mike Hatzel, founder or president of piece for River K
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: nine Search and Rescue, what should be happening right now
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: to find do you?
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 39:14
  Speaker 10: The biggest thing that sticks out. Her properties have all
• 39:16
  Speaker 10: been searched a minimum of seven times as of right now.
• 39:21
  Speaker 10: We know that's happened. So the route to Arizona is
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: the one that stands out, and at that point we
• 39:28
  Speaker 10: need to start looking out the route, the route he took,
• 39:31
  Speaker 10: the time that he took. We have to look for
• 39:33
  Speaker 10: any turnout that would have would grant privacy. Basically, just
• 39:36
  Speaker 10: start working that whole route. That's that would be the
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: next search that needs to happen if it hasn't happened already.
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: But the properties have been searched in the areas around
• 39:45
  Speaker 10: her properties have been searched many times, and San Bernardino
• 39:49
  Speaker 10: County has and Riverside has excellent teams, so they would
• 39:52
  Speaker 10: do a really good job with that. So if it's
• 39:54
  Speaker 10: I just have to believe it's not there and that
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: they have to look elsewhere.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I agree, Dan Goldsmith joining me private eye, former law
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: enforcement Goldsmith Investigations. What do you think should be being
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: done right now?
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: Well, I know they just did another search horn at
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: the property and they actually brought in excavators to do
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: some digging, but they still didn't find anything, or they're
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: not recording that they found anything. I still go back
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: to him taken off within a few days after her disappearance,
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: and it's just a great desert all the way from
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: Riverside County, all the way into Arizona and then even
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: going up to the tips in Farmington, New Mexico, where
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: his storage facility is. That the law enforcement should have
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: if they weren't doing their job. But if they would
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: have searched that facility within a week or so, they
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: may have found the body there, but who knows. Now
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: three and a half hours.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Later, Brindan Giger, what do you think should be done legally?
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: Well, I don't think there's much that can be done
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: at this point until it's determined whether or not she's
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: deceased or that five year period goes by. Really, it's
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: just kind of be stuck in limbo and the court
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: appointed trustee is just going to have to manage that
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: property and or liquidate and then you know, under the
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: Prudent Investor will Act, you know, prudently invest the proceeds
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: from the sale of the property.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Isn't it true, Brenda, that he has been removed as
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: a trustee by the court?
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: Yes, And I think the death nil and the coffin
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: on that one, with the fact that those text messages
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: showed that he was trying to engage a realtor to
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: sell the property. You know, he also failed the file
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: tax returns, He wasn't making the mortgage payments at some point,
• 41:34
  Speaker 9: and he missed some fire insurance policy payments on the ranch,
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: so you know, he wasn't doing his duties as trustees.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: It reminds me a lot, Brenda Geiger, of Scott Peterson,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: who the moment Lacey went missing, he tried to sell.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Her vehicle and order the porn channel.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: So obviously he's not expecting her to come back home anytime, saying,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I mean doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst, joining us out
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: of California. I had a problem this guy the moment
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: he said he doesn't remember where he got an engagement.
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: Ring, Oh, Nancy. The relationships always tell a story. The
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: relationship between Dia and Harper, who ever sold them the ringing,
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: the family history, But the most important store relationship story
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: is between Harper and her two children. If you love
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: somebody enough to get engaged, to put them in your trust,
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: to bequeath property to them, you're going to sit down
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: at a dinner table with them and your children and
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: make sure everybody gets along. And that doesn't seem to
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: have happened. And that is the biggest story full in
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: this entire situation to me, is the lack of love
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: amongst various family members. That tells the big story.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: And David gera, I'm joining us from Idle Wild town
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: crier David Jerome, what happens next and how do we
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: find out the DNA results?
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: The DNA results. When the police choose to release any information,
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: what happens next? I know December twentieth, there's another court
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: date in which Harper is supposed to show a good
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: accounting of his behavior as a trustee. But that's extremely unlikely.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: He's very disorganized. The lawyer he's working with is mostly
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: a producer of excuses, and they may not even show
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: up for that. They also there were sanctions at the
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: last when he was removed as a trustee. There were
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: sanctions which will be stayed until this December twentieth hearing.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I just don't believe that by hiding a body you
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: can literally get away with murder.
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Again, no one has been charged or named a person
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: of interest in this case.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: We wait as just as some fools. Goodbye for