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165: How Dr. Damien Downing Tapped into Ancient Wisdom and Light Science to Overcome Chronic Health Challenges · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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All of our body pretty much is
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capable of responding to
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electromagnetic energy such as
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biophotons and the natural one sunbite.
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Then it's also capable of responding to
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the non native EMFs that
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we're pumping out in ever increasing
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quantities now. So there's a priority there. We
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do need to tidy things up. Welcome to the
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qbcpod.com and let's see. Where the quantum
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biologic framework that is the intersection. Of quantum physics and
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biology holds the promise of potentially being able to
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give us scientific mechanisms of action for
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some of the biggest anomalies in
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consciousness and human experiences and
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phenomena that cannot be explained by the materialist paradigm.
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I'm talking about things like telepathy, out of body experiences,
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near death experiences, and also more common occurrences
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such as that feeling that you get when you know somebody is
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staring at you even if you can't see them. What is
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that? My guest today has some answers and
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I am had such a good time talking to him because he
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went on his own journey of
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shifting paradigms from being a medically trained
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physician. He's an MD who did not believe.
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Quote unquote in any of that stuff. Even though he
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was deep into the. Integrative and functional health world.
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He is has run journals and
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chaired professional associations for ecological
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medicine in the UK and Dr. Damien Downing also
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wrote. A book back in 19888 on the. Importance
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of sunlight and how we cannot be truly healthy if we do not get enough
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of it. He has continued his path after
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decades of clinical experience working with patients to
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resolve their issues as naturally as possible,
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he has gone down the physics rabbit hole
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and has now come out with a very, very different
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perspective than what he started with after
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deeply studying the intersection physics
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and biology, most notably with structured water,
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light and the work of May Wen Ho
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regarding what she calls time crystals.
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Turns out we're not just biochemical, we're not just bioelectrical, we're
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also bioinformational,
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potentially storing information in our time
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crystals across time and space.
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It's wild. It's wild fun stuff. You are definitely going to
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enjoy this chat with Dr. Downing. We start out with
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light and what structured water and then
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we go down the rabbit hole that changed his
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paradigm and changed what he believes
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about how human consciousness works.
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So enjoy this episode. It is a very fun
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1. And Dr. Downing's book Coherent Health
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the Power of Light and Water is coming out soon.
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We will link to it in the show notes or you can look it up
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The world is cool. There's so much cool stuff in it. All right, enjoy my
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interview with Dr. Downing. Dr. Damien Downing, welcome
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back to the QVC podcast. Thank you very much. We're going
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to have fun today. Okay, so let's start with, you know, one of
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my favorite topics, sunlight. You have
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worked, as we say in the US an integrative physician
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for decades and have been a longtime champion of
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sunlight through the whole sunlight is bad for you
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phase that we seem to be emerging from in our culture
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from the get go. You are a sunlight champion. You wrote a book about
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how important sunlight is in 1988. Daylight
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robbery. Yeah, so let's talk about that.
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We'll start there. Like, why is sunlight
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so crucial to human
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biology? You know, I think we're all being pretty
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stupid about this. How could it not be? I mean, it is the
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most funderless. You know, it's as necessary to
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us as water is to fish more. So,
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you know, I mean, this is what we evolved in the whole of life
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evolved in. And the only new thing here,
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I mean, you know, all cultures have done this sort of thing, have used
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heat and light and measures like that and
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probably used structured water as well when we get to that. But
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we managed to for a long time. I just think we're better
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than that, didn't we? You know, we know best. But now what we've
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done is we've figured out a little bit more of it so that
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it's a moment where, oh, that, that's how it works.
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That's how it makes sense. And you can see the,
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you know, there's huge amounts of our energy. I don't know how
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you quantify this, but obviously a lot of the energy
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we use, a lot of the incoming energy that we
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make ATP with and do energetic things in ourselves,
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comes from light rather than from food. This is a huge piece
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for people. Yeah, me too. Say, yeah, say a little bit
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more about that because we've, we've been really, really trained to
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think that, you know, food is, is everything
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and less inclined to consider in what environment
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we are consuming that food and what is what the inputs into our
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biology are the whole rest of the time when we're not eating.
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So how is it, how is it that light is, is so key
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as compared to food? I mean, not that food, it doesn't matter, obviously. Please,
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people, use both hemispheres of your brain. Two things can be true
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at once. Okay, yeah, yeah, true matters. But also
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light is giving us more input
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than we really realized. Yes, absolutely. Start with
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light itself. The, the light,
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you know, let's call it its own light, really
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reaching us on the surface of the Earth. The
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energy that comes from the sun is only
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40% of it is visible light. Right.
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But the high energy end of the spectrum, there's another
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10% of ultraviolet, UVA and
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UVB. And then it cuts off, it's filtered
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out by the atmosphere. Down the other end
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from red, you go into near infrared.
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And actually that's a whole 50% of
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the energy reaching us is in the near infrared,
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in infrared, but it's mostly near infrared.
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So this is also why green spaces are good for us,
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because the leaves and several of the green things,
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well, they reflect green light obviously because they don't need it. They
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get their energy other places in the spectrum,
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but they also reflect the near infrared very
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strongly. And this is presumably
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at least one of the reasons why forest bathing has any
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pollen. You can probably make it even better if you barefoot in the grass. So
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you get your electrons that way too. If
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you shut your eyes in a green park or
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a wood or somewhere, you look and
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the color you see with your eyes closed is red, right?
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Because it penetrates quite well. But the near
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infrared penetrates even better.
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So that in the eyes there'll be about
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five times as much near infrared
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going into your eyes with the eyelids closed
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as there is colored light. And it's not
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only in the eyes, but it has particular
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penetration which we miscalculated
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for a long time because, you know, we put,
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put a pointy detector at it and
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say, oh, well, it's not penetrating here, is going
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off in all sorts of directions, so it's not getting through.
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But that doesn't matter to a cell because
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that's probably good for the cell because it's getting it all diffused, getting it
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all the way around from all directions better than getting,
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you know, one like a laser beam. So what we've learned is
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that the, the light that
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we cannot see is penetrating
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right into our body and not in a linear way,
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but in a way that, that has a, like a systemic effect.
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Like it fills up our whole system.
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And we've only just realized this, scientifically speaking?
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I mean. Yeah, yeah, I think
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that's right. Our natural wisdom has known this since, since
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the evolution of man or the, or our ancestral beginnings,
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however you want to look at it. But yes. So science has only just
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recently recognized that that's what's going on. Yeah. Okay,
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and so what does that mean? Does it. When we.
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Because we haven't known that, we haven't known about the importance of,
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of infrared and near infrared and all the other wavelengths which we're going
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to talk about. But it seems to me we've constructed a way of living
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that is like totally antithetical. Yeah,
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absolutely. Electricity is to blame for
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a lot of it. Isn't it possible
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for us to, to work
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indoors? You know, the, to change
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subject slightly. The. I've gotten her name. But
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the lady who you had on recently with the. My
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Circadian app. Yes. Sarah Kleiner. Right.
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That's got a beautiful little thing on the app
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that enables you to just do a lux meter showing you
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point the camera at the light somewhere
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and take a light reading. And you will find that
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in here. Well, I got one of Ken
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Cedar's lamps up there, but apart from that, it's going to be
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pretty cool. Level cupboard, 200 lux, something like
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that. Whereas out there it'll be gloomy
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day, probably four or five thousand sunny day, be a
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load more. So we hugely deprived ourselves of
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light by moving indoors and of course extended
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our sunny day into the night
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with the use of electric lights. And then it all got
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worse when we replaced, we
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invented energy saving bulbs. Right. Because the
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reason why One of these LED lights is
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energy saving and you can have a 5
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watt bulb or whatever
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that produces equivalent to
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60 watts in the old method is that
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it's not making all the heat, but that heat was. At least
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some of it was near infrared and it
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had, it has special properties. So things got even worse there. So we
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moved indoors, but we still had
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somewhat biologically friendly light bulbs. Then we changed the
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light bulbs to be basically toxic
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after sunset. Bright white LED lights are
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toxic. Is that fair to say? Not to mention the light from
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the screen. Yes, quite. I think there's a bit of the principle
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there. We have to be a little bit clear. You can make a
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pretty much an absolute rule here that if
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it occurs in nature then it can't really be
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harmful to us. Can't be bad for us really.
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And so I think on that basis it's not that blue light
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is intrinsically bad for us. What's really bad for
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us is blue light with the near infrared taken out. Which
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is light bulbs and screens. Yeah, yeah.
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Okay. And it's also of course it's what? I
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never know when they put that abbreviation. Nn emfs.
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Non native. Non native. Thank you. Okay, yeah. So those are the fake
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like the ones coming out of the ones you warn about
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in your book, basically. Yeah, yeah. Right.
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Well I was by no means the first. You know,
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John Ott did that back in the end of the
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50s. Really. He
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created the term Mal Illumination which has two
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sides to it. Not enough sunlight and too much
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non. What's it say new to nature? Non
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native EMFs. Yeah. So we, those are the way we use
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it is like the, like the WI FI signal and all of the
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man made frequencies. You can't see the non visible
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man made frequencies that were not conceived of with biology in
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mind. Precisely. Yeah. Right. So
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talking about the benefits of sunlight which is
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I think becoming widely known and I've interviewed,
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you know, at least one allopathic physician who has
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looked at this research and agreed that there are
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really an infinite number of benefits to
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exposing our biology to sunlight. But then it kind of
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stops because they don't quite have a way to explain the mechanism of
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how, because that's quantum. So you have that piece, we'll get to it.
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But first let's just run through. You have this table in your new
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book, Light Wavelengths and their benefits in terms of talking
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about sunshine. So let's start.
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So there's UV C.
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Which is only in space. So let's move down to
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uvb. Yeah. Right. So
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uvb, you only get around solar noon
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and it's a tiny amount of when the sun's highest in the
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sign. So it's got the shortest path through the atmosphere to
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reach you. That solar moon, it's only
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about a half a percent of the
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total light energy. They're really small.
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And it's only about a twentieth of
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the UV energy reaching us because
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most of it is in the uva, which
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is longer wavelength and therefore
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slightly lesser energy. But there's a lot more of it. So
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yeah, it has useful effects. Right, right. And the
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UVB benefits are the ones that we traditionally think about.
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They are, yes. Yeah. Which is vitamin D
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and melanin as well. Right. So that's where you,
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you make vitamin D and you get a tan. Yeah, that's
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right. And that would be. So if you live. Depending where you live, you
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wouldn't always have access to that. Hey, you certainly
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wouldn't. Yeah. But it's interesting because there's all
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of these other wavelengths that do lots and lots
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of things as well. So I think that's like a key takeaway for people is
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like even if we were open to the fact that the sun is good for
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us, we were like, oh, it's just, we just need it for vitamin D
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and getting a tan. And now we know getting a tan is really good for
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us. Not burning, just tanning. But even if we are
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in winter or whatever and we're not getting that uvb, there's still all this other
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one, all these other wavelengths that have incredible effects, like.
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Absolutely. Uva.
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Uva, yeah. Right. Okay, so what happens
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with uva? Well, alpha MSH
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happens, or really I just say PLMC happens.
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Light hitting the non visual
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photoreceptors in the eyes and that's higher energy light.
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UVA and blue
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sends a message to the main body clock, the
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suprachiasmatic nucleus and then the body clocks there
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and that causes the pituitary
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to produce this stuff called pro
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opiomelanocortin. There's a bit of a bundle
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word. Okay. Yeah. So for those of us who are like, wait, I don't know
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what any of that is. What does it do? Why do we care?
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We'll call it POMC Sugars anyway. All right, Right.
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Yeah. And the pro means it's not actually a thing
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in itself. It has to be changed as a converted or
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activated. And what happens is a number of
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steps breaks it down into three other things. Right.
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The opio is endorphins,
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which kind of the feel good internal hormones, their
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painkillers and relaxants and so forth.
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The melano is alpha msh, which come
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to in A second. And the cortin
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is ACTH adrenaline, which is the
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adrenal stimulating hormone that
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causes your body to produce
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a burst of cortisol. If you do
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cortisol trash, there's supposed to be a spike
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of cortisol in the morning there.
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Right. And that comes from the
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effect of high energy light, UVA and
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particular hitting the eyes. But
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also what we now realize is you get the same
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effect without stuff hitting the skin.
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And there are the cells lining the
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capillaries in the skin. They produce
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PLMC and therefore all the other stuff here as
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well. So the final one is Alpha msh which is, I don't know
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if you know the work of Richie Shoemaker
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in the States. It talks about the biotoxin
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pathway and he described this old stuff very well and he
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regards Alpha MSH as being the main off
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switch for inflammation and
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pain and so forth. Yeah. And so
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what it does is it does have a
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definite anti inflammatory effect. It also
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causes the melanocytes, it stimulates the
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melanocytes to produce melanin,
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which we thought was its main purpose, but we clearly got that
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wrong because it does have an
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anti inflammatory effect and so does the
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cortisol that you produce then.
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And the Alpha MSH also has an
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antimicrobial effect in its own right. So it's making
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the whole system, you know, that much more efficient. You're not
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producing unproductive
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inflammation as you know, burning up your energy and
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wasting it on something that isn't working.
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So the thing that we've also come to realize now
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is that it's an appetite suppressant. Really?
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Yeah. And I mean a couple of people
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have said, talked about this. Oh, so
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that's why I never have a great appetite when I'm on holiday.
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Yeah, it's true. I noticed that the more time I spend
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outside and in the summer I'm just. Yeah, not as
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hungry. Yeah, because there's a double
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effect there. It reduces your appetite by making you feel
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fuller and it
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also produces, makes your energy production
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more effective. It's very tempting to say oh hey,
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it's nature's ozempic or whatever,
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but we don't know yet just you know, whether
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you can do it that way around. Don't know. Can you fix
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your huge weight problem by getting lots of
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sunlight and so on? Will the weight just fall off? You don't know.
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There are some people to say they have had that experience.
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There's some practitioners who say they have had that experience.
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But this certainly isn't a double blind trial
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or anything. Like that. Right. What I think is certain is it's a good
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idea to get the sunlight first and the alpha mosaice, then
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you keep your weight down in the first place. So going
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outside, even if there's no
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UVB you've just described, is
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anti inflammatory, supports our immune system,
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presses our appetite, helps our body to
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make more energy. I
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mean, that sounds pretty. This sounds like all of the things that we're always trying
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to, you know, look for in a supplement or
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a prescription. And there it is, just there it is coming,
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coming at us the moment we step outside. I just think it's helpful to break
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this down because it's so simple. And I
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find sometimes people brush it off or they're like, okay, Meredith, whatever. Like,
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does it really make that big of a difference, as you said earlier?
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Yes. Yeah. So let's talk about
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the visible light. So that's, that's all the
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colors. There's blue, violet, green, yellow, amber, orange, red.
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What's going on with this light? And this
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is also available all day. The UVA comes
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up about an hour after sunrise. Yeah, that's right. There's a whole
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bunch of things going on, some of which were
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we're only really figuring out bit by
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bit and from actually treating people
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with that. I mean, for instance, green light
24:30
has been used to treat fibromyalgia. Who had thought that
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would happen? And that was
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generally green light without
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the near infrared or whatever know. So it does have a property
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on its own. And we can
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use in photobiomodulation. We use blue
24:53
light particularly for stimulation on the
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immune system and red
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lights, interestingly, on the circulation as
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well. So they all have benefits. We know that light's good for all
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depression, not just seasonal affective disorder, but all depression
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and so forth. I don't think anybody's
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idea of particular wavelength works there. And
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it's probably all of them. I mean, it could be the alpha
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nsh effect from UVA just
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being anti inflammatory because I mean, all the neurologists
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and everybody these days say depression is inflammation, is
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neuroinflammation. It could just be as
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simple as that. It could be other things. There's
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probably, you know, it would be sensible to
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say you need the whole darn lot. Really.
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Yes. The full spectrum sunlight is.
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Yeah. So what's nutrient number one that we're all lacking?
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Sunlight is the ideal. And maybe
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when we're dealing with these
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chronic conditions from fibromyalgia to depression,
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full spectrum sunlight would be a good place to
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start and then see what else is needed. Yeah, like
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a very simple, reasonable recommendation from
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you as a physician of many decades with lots of experience.
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Yeah, I mean, I've always, you know, when dealing with a complex problem,
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you try and in with a patient, you try and evaluate
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all the size, you write a short overview which goes
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nutrition, toxins or things like that,
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genomic stuff, metabolic consequences and
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so forth. But then you say to the patient, well, look, I think
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we ought to start with these obvious deficiencies here
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that you've got, because that's the only way to get your
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body working on our side. Right.
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And then when that's there, when the detox is working, everything's working that
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bit better, then you can get the toxins out and
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so forth and have less adverse consequences of it.
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But what now, we've now got to say
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is practically everybody's vitamin D deficient
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for a start, certainly in this country. But is vitamin D
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just there because its own importance, and
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it does have huge importance to the immune system and so forth, but it's also
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quite a useful marker for the whole of light. If you're not getting enough
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light to do vitamin D for yourself, then
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you're probably almost certainly not getting
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enough light for all these other effects. So vitamin D is a
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marker for potentially how much sunlight you're getting. And
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we are all most likely sunlight deficient. And if we're
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showing symptoms really of anything, going
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outside is a nice, nice, easy place to start.
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Yeah, that's nicely put. We did talk about near infrared,
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but that is sunrise to sunset,
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green spaces, fires, and
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true incandescent, certain specialized light bulbs or
28:19
light therapies. You can get near infrared light. And what's
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happening with near infrared light why is this our friend? And why is being
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near infrared deficient like such a problem? Right, okay. This is where we
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go quantum. Okay, let's go. The near infrared
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penetrates very well, so that it's been
28:37
calculated, been proposed,
28:40
that in an adult, 70%
28:44
of your cells can access some near
28:47
infrared. Right. And probably in a
28:51
child, 100%. And there's a couple of places in the
28:54
body that there are fluids. That's the amniotic fluid
28:58
in a pregnant womb uterus and
29:02
the cerebrospinal fluid in the brain. They're actually
29:06
rather good conductors. So
29:10
they channel this near infrared in particular
29:14
further deeper into the body. And there's a particular
29:18
wavelength there at around 8, 10 nanometers.
29:22
I sound slightly vague, even though it's quantum, because
29:25
I think there's more than one effect going on there. But
29:29
this stuff has a quantum Effect on the
29:32
mitochondria. And it has been suggested
29:36
that. Well, one school of thought is that
29:40
it has an effect on complex 4
29:43
of the electron transport chain, the mechanism that
29:47
produces ATPR main energy
29:51
molecule. And it may
29:54
well be that that's true, but
29:58
it's looking more likely that it's also
30:02
got an effect on structured water and
30:05
the production of structured water, which is also
30:10
something that just enables life,
30:13
really. That's a perfect description of structured water.
30:17
It enables life. Yeah. And the INF and the infrared
30:21
light, the near infra light and the infrared light are helping us to
30:25
have more structured water. I mean, all to
30:28
varying extents. All light will do
30:32
it, certainly from ultraviolet through to
30:36
infrared and even further than near infrared, right into
30:39
the mid infrared, you know, but
30:43
near infrared has the best penetration, so. And would that be
30:47
why red light therapy has proven so effective in
30:51
helping people feel better and recover? Is that what's going on there?
30:54
Yeah, because the effect is. So there's
30:58
only the structured water effect is so fundamental.
31:02
I think that's why it just kind of works for everything. So
31:06
I've seen instantaneous effects sometimes.
31:10
Somebody had a colleague who just put when the light pad thing
31:14
on her frozen shoulder and it was fixed after half
31:18
an hour of that. And somebody else fixed their tinnitus
31:21
immediately and so forth. But I think that
31:25
only happens if there's something there
31:29
that really needs fixing. And the fix
31:32
is to get the structured water and the electron
31:36
transport chain working again. Then that
31:40
provides the cell with energy to do whatever it
31:43
is it wants to do. And that's the fun surprise is it's like,
31:47
what does my body want to do? If I give it what it needs, what's
31:51
going to happen? What fun things are going to happen?
31:55
Well, I guess we'll find out. Okay, so let's talk a little bit
31:59
more about. About structured water. And how would you
32:03
explain it, you know, to. To a lay person?
32:08
We've got some foundation. This audience has some foundation in it, but you know, to
32:11
varying degrees. To varying degrees. So talk to
32:15
me about our second favorite topic, structured water. Right?
32:19
Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of the interesting things about it is
32:22
that actually this knowledge has been there for a long time. I
32:26
think I said 60 years in the book, didn't I? It goes back to
32:30
this guy. I figured out the pronunciation. I've
32:34
been told the pronunciation since our last conversation about
32:37
this Albert Schent Giorgi. Ah,
32:40
Georgi. He was a Hungarian
32:44
scientist working before and after the war,
32:49
and he remarked in one of his books
32:53
that There were papers
32:56
to show that almost any liquid, or at least a wide range
33:00
of liquids, put them in contact with a
33:04
surface of a particular well. In case of
33:08
water, it has to be a
33:11
hydrophilic surface, which means it has to have a charge.
33:15
It has to have some ability to interact with the
33:19
water, and then it can change
33:22
the water and give it a bit of structure. You don't need much charge.
33:27
And actually it'd be a positive charge. Will work as
33:31
well as. Well, it will work also, but
33:35
is mostly. It is a negative charge. And that's possibly because
33:39
of. That's how the body works. That's how, you know,
33:42
life generally works it. So you get a bit of charge
33:46
on the surface there, the solid surface,
33:51
that causes a change in the water
33:55
interacting with it next to it there,
33:59
which makes it into a more structured water.
34:03
It's kind of a hexagonal shape. And that just
34:07
happens. It happens with hundreds of different liquids and so forth. It'll always
34:10
happen with water. And because
34:14
inside the body there are. I mean, it's all
34:21
surfaces everywhere. You know, a protein molecule is plenty big enough
34:25
to have a surface stubborn with structured water.
34:29
And something like collagen, which is made like rope,
34:33
is made, you know, a spiral of this and then made into a bigger
34:37
spiral and so forth. Plenty of room there for
34:40
structured water. So it's figured
34:44
that we're all about 70% structured water.
34:49
There's plenty of opportunities for that to happen. Then once you've made that on the
34:52
surface, that begins to have a particular
34:56
effect, which is that protons get excluded
35:00
from this hexagonal shape, hexagonal
35:04
layer. And that means that you've got a
35:07
negative charge there in the structure of water. It's slight,
35:11
but then light can come along
35:15
and build more and more and more, less. And Gerald
35:19
Pollock, one of his colleagues, discovered it because he left the light
35:22
on in the. On the. The bench
35:26
shining on this water experiment
35:30
came back and there was always. It's grown. All the structure of water
35:33
has grown. Then we switch the light off. It
35:37
gradually disappears. So it builds the water and charges
35:41
the water. Yeah, well, the actual building of the water charges the
35:44
water. Yes. Just the function of it being created is
35:48
kicking out those protons and creating
35:52
a negative charge. Yeah. And so we're like. I've
35:56
heard the metaphor that we're sort of like a giant battery,
35:59
you know, if we think of ourselves as a battery being charged by sunlight
36:03
and particularly infrared light. Yeah. But I see
36:07
the building of structure. Water is doing two things.
36:10
Number one is creating Charge, which
36:14
effectively means, you know, electrons.
36:17
And it's similar to the effect you get from earthing,
36:21
grounding, whatever whatever. Number two,
36:25
it's enabling those electrons to flow. I called
36:29
it the electron superhighway. Right. And in fact, I'll be
36:32
honest, it's getting beyond my understanding this stuff, you know? Yeah, I know. It
36:36
goes. It goes so deep, and I'm trying
36:40
to keep it for people to
36:45
just understand well enough to really be motivated and excited
36:50
to implement it. But at the same time, the quantum
36:54
layers are so fascinating, and we're going to get into some of
36:57
the really new, new ideas about structured water.
37:02
It's incredible to me, too, because mainstream allopathic medicine doesn't
37:06
even recognize the existence of structured water
37:09
in many cases. And yet without
37:13
that piece, it seems a little bit impossible
37:17
to really be understanding what's going
37:21
on with someone's biology. Okay, so an
37:24
ordinary crystal is a regular structure that
37:28
repeats and repeats in space,
37:33
right? So it's the same sort of molecular structure
37:36
going all the way. And you can, of course,
37:40
think of structured water as being
37:44
like that. But a time crystal is
37:47
something that has a regular repetition
37:51
in space and in time. And it turns out,
37:56
right, the name of the book is Coherent
38:00
Health. And this is what is all about,
38:03
really. I mean, coherence means a number of things. It
38:07
means in a sentence, it means that all
38:11
the elements in the sentence work together to deliver
38:15
your meaning. And Coherent Health
38:19
means all the elements of your body, including the
38:22
structured water and so forth, are working together
38:26
to keep you healthy and functioning. And May Won Ho
38:30
put it that under the influence of
38:34
electromagnetic fields, the water
38:37
can form into a coherent domain that
38:41
resonates, basically. Coherence in that sense is
38:45
basically like resonance. And
38:49
that's the quantum thing as well, of course, because,
38:54
you know the trick of running your finger around a wine glass,
38:58
you get the right frequency and it'll shatter it. Right.
39:03
It's the frequency that matters there. That's
39:06
the quantum thing like that. And
39:10
you don't make it hurt, make it work by
39:15
being stronger or whatever. You. You just need enough
39:18
of the right frequency vibration to
39:22
do that. And so that's another
39:26
aspect of coherence. And it is all basically the same,
39:30
really. So May Won Ho said that
39:33
these can become coherent domains that
39:37
under the influence of the magnetic field, end up
39:41
trapping or holding the magnetic field,
39:45
and then they can transmit it. So you need
39:49
structured water, it turns out, to start building these
39:52
coherent domains, little spaces,
39:55
whatever, and the smallest one that
39:59
we can figure out is just
40:03
a Few nanometers across.
40:07
I reckon it, you know, something like
40:11
300 molecules of water in that.
40:15
But then from that basic story, think of it as like little
40:18
coins or something like that, but they can build
40:22
up and they start to form a spiral,
40:26
presumably because of the hexagon. There's an effect
40:29
there. Right. So it then ends up looking like
40:33
a DNA double helix. Then that could form even
40:37
greater structures so that you have enormous structure.
40:41
And if you regard this structure
40:45
as being information,
40:49
then storing the electromagnetic field is providing
40:54
the information. The structured water and
40:57
the other water contained in there, because it doesn't have to be all structured water,
41:02
holds onto it and then can, under certain circumstances,
41:07
transmit it again. And
41:10
because you can make these vast great structures out of it
41:15
in molecular terms, fast, the amount
41:19
of information is. It's got to be infinite,
41:23
really. There's no limit to this.
41:27
So the time crystals within our structured water, according
41:31
to this very well researched theory,
41:35
posit that we could be holding unlimited
41:39
information in our field. Yes. And
41:43
transmitting it. Yes. And receiving it from other fields.
41:46
Correct. All of the above. One of the ways we got into this
41:50
was, you know, Luke Montagnais, who was one of the
41:53
first reporters describers of hiv. He
41:58
did an experiment where he got a DNA
42:02
fragment and put it into like a sort of a solenoid
42:06
battery structure there. Kept it
42:09
completely apart from another
42:13
similar thing which had. So you've got a fragment of DNA
42:17
in this, which we'll call the. Sending the transmitting
42:21
test tube. And then in the
42:25
other test tube, the receiving test tube, you've got
42:29
all the elements necessary to make that fragment of
42:33
DNA again. Then you put that in
42:37
a repeating field, something
42:41
like the Schumann resonance, which is
42:44
going around the world the whole time and has very
42:48
high penetration. So it's going right through us all the time. There's nothing you do
42:52
about that. You can't stop it. And
42:55
God knows what the consequences would be if he did. So that's kind
42:59
of like a carrier wave. What he did was
43:03
to send the information
43:07
from the transmitting test tube to the
43:11
receiving test tube and recorded that
43:14
it actually the DNA was spontaneously
43:19
constructed in the receiving one. So that's
43:23
a clear example of
43:27
this kind of phenomenon happening, of a time crystal
43:31
sending its information to another place
43:34
electromagnetically and building a new
43:38
time crystal there, or new time crystals.
43:42
All right, and when you think that
43:45
biophotons, or as we now call them, ultra
43:49
weak photon emissions are happening all the
43:53
time, all your cells are popping them out the
43:56
whole damn time. Right. And human ones range the
44:00
ultraviolet into the infrared. Right through into the infrared with
44:04
something where there's a bit of a spike in yellow. I'm not sure why that
44:07
is, but what else is it doing? I mean, it's got a point.
44:12
This has to be it. The biophotons. And the
44:16
first. The way we started understanding about biophotons
44:20
was this guy called Gurvitch back in the 30s, I
44:24
think, behind the Iron Curtain there.
44:28
He put an onion shoot
44:32
kind of thing like a sprout, when you sprout your salad
44:36
in one test tube and another one,
44:41
and noted that in the right circumstances,
44:45
there was an effect of having that test
44:49
tube there, that a sprouting active one there would
44:54
cause another one there which hadn't been
44:57
activated or whatever, to start doing stuff.
45:02
And he figured out in that one that you had to have quartz
45:06
there instead of glass between them. Okay. So we have
45:10
established that structured water is essential to life,
45:13
and it creates the electron. You know, it
45:17
supports the electron superhighway that keeps our bodies
45:21
functioning and filled with energy and charged up.
45:25
And we've established that mainstream medicine doesn't currently
45:28
acknowledge that it exists, which is
45:32
a major problem for that industry, I would say. And so now I want to
45:36
get into something. So it's like in our world, not only,
45:40
you know, in the world that you're describing, not only have we established
45:44
that structured water exists, we're starting to find
45:50
suggestions of even deeper mysteries and
45:53
beyond the healthy functioning of our biology,
45:57
which is something called time
46:01
crystals that I think you were, you know,
46:05
comes very strongly from the work of May wen ho. So,
46:08
Dr. Downing, like, pick it up from there. What's
46:12
a time crystal? Just one that was not activated,
46:16
had not been sprouted, and it was sprouting it just from
46:20
receiving the energy of the one that was activated, Correct?
46:24
Yeah, but glass. Glass cut it off. Quartz did it. Because
46:28
in that case, he thought then that it's all
46:31
ultraviolet and the courts will
46:35
transmit the ultraviolet and ordinary glass won't. But
46:39
turns out it's not. It's nothing like that simple. Well, it's just.
46:43
It's as complicated, as complicated as it's time to
46:46
make it. Yeah.
46:50
So what is. What does this mean?
46:54
Particularly for things
46:58
that we have tended to dismiss, like
47:02
telepathy or intuition
47:06
or because I will say, like being around a
47:10
lot of people who have systematically
47:14
added some sunlight and grounding and darkness into their
47:18
lives. I hear a lot of stories of
47:21
people, whether they articulate it as enhanced
47:25
intuition or they just are starting to have
47:29
better ideas and make Better choices and all this kind of
47:32
thing. Like what are the implications of this time
47:36
crystal for this kind of non local
47:41
phenomenon? I've always been quite a skeptic. You know, I'm,
47:44
I would sort of get a new treatment and I'll let somebody else
47:48
experiment on their patients before I experiment on mine
47:52
or whatever. So I've always, you know,
47:56
said that things like
47:59
homeopathy, for instance, they've, they've got a hard
48:03
road to follow. But because
48:08
of Ben Venista studies way back
48:12
that talked about the memory of water or water memory
48:17
for me personally anyway, there's
48:21
oh my God moment. This
48:25
could be it. This could be how all this stuff works, you know,
48:29
as you guys describe it, all the woo woo
48:33
stuff, you know, and add
48:36
to your list of things, you know, of
48:40
paranormal phenomena. Add faith, right?
48:44
They say faith move mountain, moves mountains.
48:48
And this is how I do it. Faith is a form of coherence.
48:52
You get this stuff working together. You know,
48:56
we've all seen things about that, you know,
49:00
oh, we desperately needed a whatever
49:06
and so we prayed for it and it happened.
49:10
And that proves that prayer works. Well,
49:14
I think it does prove that prayer works.
49:19
And prayer is just another form of acting incoherence.
49:25
It doesn't necessarily prove that your God is the right
49:28
one. That's a whole different story.
49:32
Anyway, I think, you know,
49:35
personifying God is a bit stupid. It's a bit like the blind man
49:39
and the elephant, you know, oh, I've got this bit, it's a tail, you know.
49:42
Right. We've all got a different bit and think it's the whole thing.
49:46
Yeah. So as a lifelong skeptic, now that
49:49
you have, you know, for this book researched
49:55
structured water and then researched the
49:59
coherence within structured water, recalling a time crystal
50:03
through the work of May1ho. What I'm hearing you say is that you have
50:07
now you feel confident that we have a mechanism of
50:10
action to describe prayer. Telepathy,
50:14
intuition, meditation. I'm
50:18
definitely a follower of the Reverend Bayes. So I'd say
50:21
the probabilities have shifted substantially
50:25
now. And am I confident? I don't
50:29
know. You know, I'm getting there. Yes, the needle has
50:32
moved. Yeah, exactly. And I think it's like, you know, you remember
50:36
the image of Earth from space, Apollo,
50:39
whichever one, it was 1968, you know,
50:43
we thought, oh my God, it really is a small blue planet, you
50:46
know, and there is no planet B despite Elon
50:50
Musk and all their aspirations. I think seeing the
50:54
images of these little crystals or whatever, you're
50:58
going to call them these coherent domains.
51:02
That's a real thing. What would be sort of
51:06
in your greatest vision of, you know,
51:09
going forward from here now that we have this
51:13
theory, but also the imaging as you said, like we can actually
51:17
see these coherent domains in some level. What is
51:21
your sort of highest destiny for us
51:25
with this information? Okay, well let's start with the dark side of
51:28
it. Because if all of our
51:32
body pretty much is capable of
51:36
responding to electromagnetic energy
51:41
such as biophotons and the natural one sunpite,
51:46
then it's also capable of responding to
51:49
the non native EMFs that
51:53
we're pumping out in ever increasing
51:57
quantities now. So there's a priority there.
52:00
We do need to tidy things up or do some
52:04
housekeeping. And bear in mind that John Art
52:08
described this mal illumination
52:11
phenomenon back in what, 20
52:15
something years before the mobile phone was even invented. There
52:19
were adverse effects from tv, from
52:22
those cordless phones, you know, and
52:26
from the fluorescent lights.
52:30
And he got effects from tidying that stuff
52:34
up. It's got to be a billion times worse now
52:38
because there's so much more bad energy, if you like,
52:42
around
52:46
in the radio frequency part of the spectrum where WI
52:49
fi and mobiles and so forth live. And
52:53
so we have got to do something about that for
52:56
ourselves individually and ideally for the world
53:00
too. But the good news about that
53:04
of course is that you don't have to make it
53:07
perfect right now people who try to
53:11
apply this to patients health and
53:15
so forth, their first rule is that
53:19
you should detoxify your
53:22
sleeping area. Right. So no mobiles and
53:26
no radio wave type stuff in the bedroom.
53:29
Absolutely, that does help. And in fact
53:34
Trevor Marshall is, works in the
53:37
autoimmune sector of things,
53:41
did an experiment with putting hoods on
53:45
that are screening out electromagnetic
53:49
waves. And so he got
53:53
about 60, I think patients
53:57
with autoimmune diseases
54:00
and he got them to where these hoods
54:04
which will screen out some, by no means all, but some
54:08
of the electromagnetic fields reaching you,
54:12
the screen keep them away from your brain.
54:17
And he asked them to wear that for four
54:20
hours waking and four hours sleeping. So that's a
54:24
third of the day. And he got
54:28
effects, he got definite changes in
54:33
their symptoms for which they were already on medication.
54:39
But he got a further improvement. Although
54:42
anybody who's worked with EMFs and electrosensitivity and
54:46
so forth will understand this. There wasn't always good
54:50
effects but that, you know, you get
54:53
surprising things with that. I've seen people who've
54:58
been electro sensitive, covered themselves in, you know,
55:01
Faraday Case type wire fabric
55:05
and get much worse inside that, you know,
55:09
it's unpredictable because. Well, I suppose
55:13
the time crystal theory sort of provides
55:17
an explanation for that. You know, just because it's so complex,
55:20
you can't easily predict
55:24
what is going to happen. But you can
55:28
apply the basic rule, I think, that if
55:32
it's natural, if we evolved in it for
55:35
billions of years, then it's got to be good. And
55:39
if it's non natural, then it's probably
55:42
bad. Or at least it's capable of being
55:46
bad. Right? Yeah. That would be the flip side of it. If
55:50
we're so exquisitely attuned to
55:54
all of these frequencies, then when we're bombarded
55:58
with unhealthy frequencies, that is
56:01
absolutely going to have an effect. Yeah, that would make sense.
56:05
However, the good news is once we know that we can.
56:09
We can choose. Yes, exactly. You can do something
56:13
about it and, you know, have to do it for yourself really
56:16
to begin with. And so if you could just sort of
56:20
summarize where you are now after having done all of this
56:24
research, sort of through the quantum realm, through
56:27
the coherence, through. Through May Wen Ho
56:31
and, And all of your clinical experience over the
56:35
years, your work publishing the journal, like
56:39
sort of. Where do you see? Where are we? Because it
56:43
feels like, I mean, I. I talk to lots of people
56:47
all the time and honestly, I feel like we're in a brand new paradigm every
56:50
month. It sounds. If my work is done
56:54
here. No, I want to know where you think we are right
56:58
now, like what direction we're headed in. Well, we can see
57:02
that, you know, things are getting worse.
57:06
We can also see that it takes time
57:10
for us to get this stuff into our heads. Really,
57:14
on average about 50 years. We know we've got to
57:18
keep on at this, but there is some hope.
57:22
I think this stuff has kind of arrived
57:25
just in time as things get
57:30
really bad. Unless Three Eye Atlas
57:34
up there, actually, he's carrying some benevolent
57:37
aliens. We do it for ourselves.
57:41
I love it. Well, that is a perfect place to end. I would
57:45
love. I, I think you might have that. Maybe that's the
57:48
answer. Three
57:52
Eye Atlas will explain all and lead us forward into
57:56
the next. Into the new era. The new era,
57:59
Exactly. Yes. Well, Dr. Downing, thank you for
58:03
coming back to the podcast. Thank you for this incredible book, Coherent
58:07
Health. It will be available soon. We will let you know how to order
58:10
it and put links in the show notes and
58:14
yeah, just so appreciate you diving
58:18
into all of this and coming out with a coherent articulation.
58:22
So we can all wrap our heads around it. Oh, it's been my pleasure, I
58:25
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