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S5 E8 The Pastor, His Wife, and a Deadly Secret - The Truth Behind Kristie Evan's Crime · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. I didn't think this was gonna happen tonight,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest, with everything that just happened, like within
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  Speaker 2: So that's all I got, guys. I just needed to
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  Speaker 2: share because my heart, my heart's hurting for them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's tough. That's really hard. Those are those
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  Speaker 1: are all kinds of difficult things to give updates on.
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  Speaker 1: We always hope for the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and suicide is brought up in our case tonight,
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  Speaker 2: so it kind of didn't mean for all of this
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  Speaker 2: to happen. But let's get on with what you're drinking
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  Speaker 2: so we can get into this boiler crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and everybody will figure out why I picked what
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  Speaker 1: I picked very soon. So what I what I chose
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  Speaker 1: tonight is is a winery called Manajatoi. It is a
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  Speaker 1: Pino griggio. It's tropical, it is refreshing, actually, and this
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  Speaker 1: is one of the wines that I think actually lives
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  Speaker 1: up to what it says it is. It says it's
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  Speaker 1: a trip to the Islands without the worri of sunburn
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  Speaker 1: or bugs. A blend of chardonnay mescado and is seen
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  Speaker 1: it's undeniably fruity and unabashedly easy. Like me, The white
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  Speaker 1: blend brings together centrius and tropical fruit flavors with a
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  Speaker 1: crisp acidity. And yes, this is very good.
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  Speaker 2: Well Ived, I don't think you could have found a
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  Speaker 2: better wine to pair with tonight's show. I have not
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  Speaker 2: tried their whites, but I have had their red blend
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  Speaker 2: and it was good. Now, my only thing is just
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  Speaker 2: tell me that you are not thinking of trying or
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  Speaker 2: joining a minajatoi aka the Pineapple Club in real life,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm not sure Carrie would like that, or missus
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  Speaker 2: brute crime blaf No.
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  Speaker 1: I had crazy, my crazy moments early on. You know,
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  Speaker 1: college was fun. That's where we'll leave it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you know, we might need to hear more about
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  Speaker 2: that tomorrow. In one of the little.
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  Speaker 1: Sessions, said like, I'm gonna be sitting on a couch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, why you pick this case again?
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  Speaker 1: Listen? What what really really drew me to this case
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  Speaker 1: was how complicated it was and it's not complicated in
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  Speaker 1: the way of like appeals and all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It was complicated in the themes that surrounded It's not
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  Speaker 1: just a story about murder. It's a it's about a
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  Speaker 1: relationship that from the outside looked like a perfect picture,
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  Speaker 1: perfect church couple, but behind closed doors it was full
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  Speaker 1: of secrets, deep dysfunction. And it touches on a lot
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  Speaker 1: of taboo topics, and that includes things like sex and swinging,
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  Speaker 1: faith and and not like swinging on a on a
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  Speaker 1: on a swing, and how those things kind of collide
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  Speaker 1: in ways that people are often too afraid to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's this tension between what people present to
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  Speaker 1: the world and what's really happening when no one's watching,
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  Speaker 1: And that disconnect really stuck with me because I'm a huge,
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  Speaker 1: huge believer in what Irving Goffman writes about his theory
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  Speaker 1: of dramaturgy, and that basically suggests that social life is
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  Speaker 1: like a theatrical performance, where individuals present themselves in ways
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  Speaker 1: designed to manage the impressions others have of them. People
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  Speaker 1: have a front stage for public behavior and a backstage
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  Speaker 1: where they can drop the performance and be their true selves. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we always say that we're very genuine here. We are
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  Speaker 1: pretty genuine here, but we still have that mask that's on.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, overall, this case frustrated me, honestly, because it
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  Speaker 1: feels like so much damage could have been avoided if
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  Speaker 1: there had been honesty or help, or even just space
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  Speaker 1: for people to talk about the hard stuff without fear.
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  Speaker 1: But instead, what we're left with is a tragedy that
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  Speaker 1: hurt countless numbers of people, not just David, not just
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  Speaker 1: Christie or even Khalil, but their kids, their community, the church.
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  Speaker 1: I keep coming back to this case because it forces
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  Speaker 1: us to sit with uncomfortable truths about power, faith, and intimacy.
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  Speaker 1: And I think those are the cases that really stay
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  Speaker 1: with you, the ones that don't offer easyps answers, but
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  Speaker 1: ask the hard questions. And that's why this case really
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, got my attention.
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  Speaker 2: Now, and I'm not as mad at you for picking
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  Speaker 2: this case as I have been some of the more
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  Speaker 2: recent cases. So there's that.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, I'm doing something a little different. I am drinking
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  Speaker 2: be one hope rose, which I did not have, so
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  Speaker 2: I grabbed some jewel got rose from my wine fridge.
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  Speaker 2: It has that rose extract syrup that I drank a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. But then you top it off
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  Speaker 2: with sparkling water and a pink rose. So I have
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  Speaker 2: a pink rose from my personal garden in it.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, look at you.
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  Speaker 2: So now I'm also being extra because I'm just always extra.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know why I didn't start it I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we were too busy doing this, I guess, and I
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  Speaker 2: guess I can't do everything right. I mean, I would
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  Speaker 2: drink all the wine. I can't even get my wine
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  Speaker 2: fridge totally full because I drink it all before I
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  Speaker 2: fill the fridge.
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  Speaker 1: My brain says, yes, totally could do everything.
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  Speaker 2: So well now this case. You know, there are cases
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  Speaker 2: that stick with me and not because they're the most
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  Speaker 2: violent or the most well known as we know, but
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  Speaker 2: like you, because they're complicated, layered and leave you with
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  Speaker 2: more questions than answers. And guys, the case of Christy
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  Speaker 2: Evans is one of those. JT and I have had
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  Speaker 2: to have so many backdoor conversations about it because I
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  Speaker 2: have so many questions. I'm on the fence. I guess
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  Speaker 2: back door sounded a little weird there, considering the minage
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  Speaker 2: I I mean, I am. I mean, so on the surface,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like something out of a Lifetime movie. A
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  Speaker 2: pastor's wife conspires with her lover, a man they both
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  Speaker 2: previously engaged with in a threesome, to murder her husband
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. But guys, as I
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  Speaker 2: dug deeper, what frustrated me the most wasn't just the
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  Speaker 2: twisted betrayal or the brutal outcome. It was how many
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  Speaker 2: red flags were hiding in plain sight. Okay, red flag
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  Speaker 2: is all over this story. Now. Christy's not your stereotypical murderer.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: She was a woman caught in what appears to be
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: a deeply manipulative and toxic marriage. Yet her choices, especially
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: turning to murder, don't add up as a simple escape plan. Okay.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: There's a mix of power, sex, religion, and secrecy that
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: makes this case fascinating and infuriating at the same time.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: And I can't help but wonder why did it have
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: to end with somebody dead and two people in prison
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and three kids' lives changed forever. I don't and I
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: have so many flipping, flipping questions, and guys, I'm gonna
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: warn you throughout tonight, I keep wondering if I'm being
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: gas lit.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: So heads up, Yeah, this is one of those cases
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: where you know, we certainly straddle the line where you
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: kind of have to figure figure out what's true, what's
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: stranger than fiction, what's false, And we're not going to know.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: We're gonna base it off of kind of where everything
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: kind of leads us and there's not a lot in
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: terms of court documents or things like that, so we
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: had not a ton to go off of. So don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: take offense. You know, we're certainly listen. The true garment
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Wine Times is not victim blame in any way, shape
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: or form. If any of it is true, it sucks.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: However, I'm open to conversation and I am very interested
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: to hear what our viewers, listeners, and community thinks because
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: one thing I love is sometimes they bring up things
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, I never thought of that.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: And as a person who was married and in a
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: domestic violent situation, I personally know how hard it is
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: to get the hell out. So I am not blaming anyone, Okay,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I am not, no, but when you hear the stuff,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you'll hopefully understand where I'm coming from. And I have
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: to tell you, I love that Lama brought the pineapples.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I just thought of Lama, pineapples and elbow feet. That
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: is a manaj autois. I want to see.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: A Lama, very very niche subgenre. I know.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I'm here for I'm here for it. Oh God about Christy.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: All right, well, let's let's get into this. The pastor
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: his wife in a deadly secret What really happened? As
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: best as we can ascertain the truth behind Christy Evans crime. So,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Christie Christy Donnel Evans was born on May twenty ninth,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, in Roland, Oklahoma, which is on the
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: easternmost border with Arkansas. He spent much of her childhood
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and early adulthood in Roland. She was a member of
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a large family who attended church, and she worked a
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: part time job in high school at the local drive
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and burger place, which is where she met David. Terry
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: is going to talk about that too, Well, talk about
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: David now.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I was being bad. I am trying to
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: learn to be like you, JT. I am striving to
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: be more like you and to be able to multitask
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and handle our team stuff while I'm doing this. So
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I'm trying, okay, guys. So David was born October ninth,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy in Camden, New Jersey. He was one of
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: six kids, with him being the baby. Six kids. Okay,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: that's a lot of kids, guys.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: But that's the half a dozen eggs. That's like five dollars.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Now, that's a lot but when David was a teenager,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the family moved from New Jersey to Oklahoma, Oklahoma.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I promise that's the only time. I just had to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: kind of exercise that demon continue.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, I hope it's not the only time, because when
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I was writing notes on this, all I kept thinking
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: of was JT doing that. Okay, So I'm here for it.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, No, we're.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Here for it. I mean, hey, Now, David Evans was
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: fifty at the time of his death, and he was
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a Baptist pastor minister, and he was known to have
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: traveled abroad and he did mission trips, which I think
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: is something that is really good. His mom said that
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: he was a friendly person that everyone loved and adored,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna just say I'm going to question a
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: lot of that as we go along. Like I said,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: and once again, gaslighting. Now, I want to talk a
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: little bit about Christy and David and their relationship and
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: their marriage. Now, Christy met David at her part time
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: job when he went to the drive in and ordered dinner.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, she was this cute little freshman working at
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: you know, this local drive in eatery thing. But David
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: waited until she was a senior in high school before
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: asking her out. That's like three years, guys. He showed
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: some restraint.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: That's that's like something out of like Archie comics or
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Happy Days. You know, it just makes me want to go, ah.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I love Happy Days now. David is a pastor now.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: But he was the bad boy. Okay. He had long hair,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: he partied every weekend, while Christy was said to be
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: shy and straight lace. I mean, what good girl doesn't
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: like the bad boys?
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: He he looks like he looks like a combination of actually,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you know what. He just looks flat out like James
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Taylor in the seventies. Oh, I think James Taylor Diamond
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: in there, but mostly James Taylor.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Okay. Now, they dated for just a few months before
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: getting married.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I listen, nothing says forever like I think I know
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: your middle name.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's why there's a country song. I forget what
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the name of it is. But I think you're my wife,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: But I forgot, I don't even know you're first name
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: or something. But Christy turned eighteen on May twenty ninth,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one, and they got married on June fourth,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one. I mean he barely waited for her
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: to be an adult.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Burley, just Burley barely.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: But we've got to remember she was raised in a
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: religious family. She, you know, wanted to get married and
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: have a family. Now. Interesting thing about David, he worked
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: many different jobs over the next seventeen or so years.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: He could not find his passion, while Christy got her
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: CNA and she worked as a nurse. Okay, Now, they
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: had their first son about a year after getting married.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Then they had a daughter after that, and then they
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: had another son. But guys, good news. In David's mind.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: He got a job at the local Bible bookstore, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: he was intrigued by the pastors in deacons who came
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: into the store. So David starts taking religious in ministry
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: classes at night.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I think if I took jobs because I was intrigued
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: by people, missus Bruce Crime would have left me long ago.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And she'd be like, you're not joining the Costco staff, JT.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: You just like the cheese samples at the store.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yep, you can work in the cheese samples and I'll
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: work in the wine section. We will rule Costco.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, Mike, we would own Costco.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: We would own Costco because they would love us.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, they're gonna send us on four that's
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, David was named the head pastor of
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Harmony Free Will Baptist Church in Ada, Oklahoma.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Lolahoma, good job.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Now, David was a modern pastor, and as you can
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: imagine in a small town in Oklahoma, I'm pretty sure
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: that's still considered the Bible belt. Not all of the
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: congregation liked his modern ways, but it was said there
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: were a lot of them that were refreshed by it. Now,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: the question for me is what did this mean for
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Christy because she became a pastor's wife And just some
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: quick Google searching explains that a pastor's wife's role is
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to love God with all of her heart, soul, mind,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: and strength, and to love and support her husband as
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: he follows God. Okay, that's a lot, people, I'm just
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: gonna say that's a lot. Okay, But what she required
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: to do anything? Now, Apparently, even though the Bible doesn't
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: say anything about it, she is among the most important
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: person in the church. She's one of those very important
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: people some wives serve right alongside their husbands, fully engaged
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: in the visible public work of ministry, while others excel
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: in supporting in prayer, raising their family, and doing a
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: less visible kind of ministry. But I mean, what did
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Christy do specifically? I mean, it's kind of hard to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: tell because the website is no longer in service and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the wayback machine was a little to no help as
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: each snapshot was broken. Now, the Facebook page wasn't updated
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: from October twenty twenty one to January twenty twenty five.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Now the church is still there. They've rebranded a little bit. Okay,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: now you ready for this. Several the police officers were
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: members of David's church. Okay, once again we hear that
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: David was well whited, and everyone said he worked hard
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: for the congregation. All I hear in my mind is
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: works hot for the moneys hot. Yeah see, I don't sing.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: But now, one thing that we've got to remember, appearances
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: aren't always what they seem or allegedly. Okay, everyone in
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: town thought that Christy and David were a great couple
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: and that they really seem to be in love. I mean,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: look at that picture. She's not shying away from him.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: They look happy. Now, he is a tall guy, guys.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: He is six foot three and she's four foot eleven,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: she's a little by thing. Okay. But but this wasn't
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: the case according to Christy in some of the information
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: provided by her daughter, Now, Facebook messages between Christy and
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: David told a story that was a bit different. And
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: this did lead experts to believe that Christy was a
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: victim of course of control by her husband. And this
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: includes a range of emotional, physical, and other abusive behaviors
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: like isolation, humiliation, financial control, sexual commersion, and low level violence.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, guys, it's like a hostage situation. Okay. Now,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: the probable cause Affidavid shows authorities were at least aware
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: of the couple's relationship troubles because, according to the state investigator,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Christie told authorities that he was controlling and verbally abusive. Okay. Now, Christy,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: they say, was actually planning with her attorney, Joe Miskel,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: to present a self defense case for battered woman in
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: syndrome in court. Now, her father believed her. He said
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: she seized an opportunity to escape from her personal health. Okay. Now,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: apparently the abuse which alleged was allegedly against the children
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: as well. Guys, I'm saying allegedly because like we said,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: very little documentation and proof not taking sides here. Brittaney
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Long provided more details for this. Brittany is their only
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: daughter now from NBC News, she said she couldn't recall
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: a time when her father wasn't abusive. He would slam
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the kids' heads together and lift them by their hair
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: long in. One of her younger brother There's Zachariah recalled
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: when they were younger, The siblings said he would make
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: them stay up all night cleaning and if they finished,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: he'd knock everything over again and insult them while they worked.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: So Brittany also stated that he controlled the money. She
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: recalled how in high school she and her mother would
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: stop at the Sonic Drive in which if not everybody
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: has those, it's a fast food franchise, and have really
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: great tater talks with cheese now, but her mom would
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: remind her to throw out her trash so that her
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: father didn't see it. And it looks like JT may
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: have gone computer crazy again, so y'all are stuck with me.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: But anyway, after they bought this, they had to throw
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: the receipts away. And guys, if this is true, that
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: is absolutely financial control. Okay, that is a problem. Now, Hey,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: he's back. Don't tell me where.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have like a coronary.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now. Britney says that the Easter of twenty ten,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: her brothers and her went to the police to report
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the abuse, and because she was eighteen at the time,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: she just by her own choice left home and moved out.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: But she said her brothers were removed from the home
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and then returned and guys, I tried to dig deep
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to see if there was any police reports or things filed.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I couldn't find anything. Doesn't mean it's not there. I
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: didn't have time to do a FOIA, which is a
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: freedom of Information Act in case y'all don't know. But
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I did find that interesting. But there's no documentation about it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: So that's why we're saying allegedly, all right.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: On to me, if you're with us, I hope, so
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: we'll find out just how long. I have a feeling that,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: like you know, I don't know. It's like I'm getting
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: technologically struck by by God. All right. So on March
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: twenty second, twenty twenty one, Christy and David went to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: bed between eight thirty and nine pm. It was quiet
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: until there were popping sounds, according to Christy. Rising to look,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Christy said that she saw David laying in bed with
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: a hole in his head and blood dripping down the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: side of his face. She reported that she ran to
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: see if she could see anyone running away.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: First off, I want to know, do married couples normally
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: go to bed at eight thirty when they're empty nesters
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: and in their fifties, because me double eighth or lucky
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: if we get in bed by ten thirty. Do you
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: get in bed at eight?
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Though? Man? Lets something really sick? Usually I'm doing like
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: my third, fourth and fifth job.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other thing that just struck my little brain.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: You realize it's March twenty seventh and he was killed
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: on March twenty second. We did not plan that, guys,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: but it's the week.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Of Yeah, you know, we found that a couple of times.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I know, I think it's just kismet karma.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Probably well, So, around one eleven am, Christie placed a
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: nine one one call saying that an intruder had entered
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: her home at fourteen twenty North Crest Drive, and that
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: intruder shot her husband. And we're going to listen to
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the nine one one call here.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe we do you see a gun anywhere around him?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: And there you have. When officers arrived at the residence,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: they did find fifty year old as you saw, David
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Evans with a gunshot wound, and he died on the scene.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: They were unable to find a gun, nor did they
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: see any evidence of breaking and nothing was stolen. Now,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: when asked, Christie said that she didn't know of anyone
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: who wanted to hurt her husband, and that she got
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: out of bed and said she went to see if
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: she could see anyone running away.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, which is first red flag alert in this because girl,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: that is a red flag Okay. What woman's husband gets
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: shot while they are in bed together and she runs
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: to the window to see who is running away? Because guys,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: let's be real. You grab your phone, you run to
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: the closet, and you call the police. I mean, what
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: if the guy saw you in the window while you
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: were looking out there and fired the gun back up
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: up at you. So I'm gonna just say she did
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: not think through her statement, because the police were like,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense to us.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, And like I said, they couldn't find a gun.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I couldn't see any evidence of breaking in anything stolen.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: They decided to go old school, and they went door
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: to door and they asked if anyone had seen or
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: heard anything out of the ordinary. Now, there was a
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: neighbor that told them she saw an old white Mustang
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: outside of the not a horse, let's saying, an old
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: white man. I mean, you know, anyway, I saw us
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: an old white Mustang outside of the Evans house last week.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't a car that they had seen before,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: so it was a very it was out of the ordinary.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, guys, am I the only one who couldn't
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: tell you what cars are at my neighbor's house? I mean,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I seriously never pay attention. Now, maybe it's because most
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: people where I live park in the garage, But guys,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: this made me start thinking, am I a bad true
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: crime person? Slash murder Reno because DOUBLEH has now given
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: me the nickname murder Reino and started calling me that.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: But am I bad? Because I don't pay attention to
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the cars.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I could other than like my direct next door neighbors
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: on either side, that's the only people that I can
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: pay attention to. I don't have enough, Like I don't
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: have enough like mind space to remember that kind of
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: a thing. So yeah, no, not really. They so after
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: they figured out after they heard from that neighbor, they
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: then found a neighbor across the street who had a
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: sorry white wine man had a doorbell camera and they
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: were able to see the vehicle described by the other
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: neighbor in that camera. The police then checked local business
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: cameras and we're able to get a photo of the
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: license plate of the Mustang. Love how this happens. Then
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: they found out that the car belonged to Khalil Square,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: and he immediately became a person of interest.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Now I think I'm gonna have to say, I think
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Lady and Gray just shamed me because you said you
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: should pay attend to the cars and people too. Now
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I agree. Now, maybe, like I said, it's just because
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: where we live, we don't use the front door very often.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: We go through the garage and everything's on the back
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: side of the house. Double H's office looks out the street.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I don't see that. So maybe it's because of that
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: that I don't see it. I will say. When I'm
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: back out of my driveway to go somewhere, I look
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: to see what's around me and if there's any people
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: walking or cars I don't recognize. But other than that,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be like my neighbor across the street.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: And if she's watching tonight, hi Jen, I mean she
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: will text me and say, hey, where are you going?
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Because she watches me leave out our window. I mean,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like, good thing, she's a brand and not just
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: a n so I know, so I don't have visibility.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: But just forty eight hours after David's murder, detectives call
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Christy back in because you know, they questioned her the
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: night of got her statement, but they called her back
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: in to ask if she knew of anyone named Khalil
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: square so, and she confesses that he is her boyfriend
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: and that hair. That's all I'm going to say, but
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: that hair. Now, she tells them that yes, she knows
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: he has a criminal record, but that he would never
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: have hurt her husband, David.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would never ride a dragon given the chance.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would, now, just saying you would. Now, Christy
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: admitted to the police that she and David were swingers
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: and that's how she met Khalil. Yes, guys, you heard
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: me correctly. The pastor and his wife are swingers. Now.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Side note for you guys, if you want to go
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and do some research on your own, you can find
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: video of David preaching a sermon about marriage or vows
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: and only having sexual relations with your spouse. So just
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: saying now, Christy then details the rules around their swinging lifestyle.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I did not I didn't know that was pop it up.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is so perfect.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: One of the main rules is that they are not
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: allowed to use their real names with the other people. Okay,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: So they have to be like Peppermint or whatever. Now,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: and that's what I want to name a horse someday,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna name it Peppermint. So if I ever
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: get in a situation, if I'm a stripper, if I
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: ever need a name, it's gonna be Peppermint, because I'm
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: never gonna get a horse. So pepper met okay, and
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: they were also never to see the individuals outside of
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: meeting up as a couple. Okay. So she admits to
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: being a cheater, but nothing else and police have no
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: evidence against her, so they let her leave. Okay, but
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: she tells police that she did not tell them the
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: night David was murdered about them being swingers because she
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: thought I would make them look bad. And I just
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: want to say, you think he's a pastor and preaches
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: about that, so.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: You know, my head was spending with all of that.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Let me let me just let me just understand. She
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: laid out all the rules like she was reading from
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: a PTA handbook, and she treated these rules more like guidelines.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: And even then she treated those like IKEA instructions. She
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: skimmed to ignore the warnings and ended up with something
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: dangerous and missing a few screws, and then well maybe
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: not missing a few screws, and then and then then
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: she tells police that she did not tell them the
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: truth because it would look bad. And that's well, that's
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: like telling the TSA you have a chainsaw on your
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: carry on because you were afraid they might get the
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: wrong idea. So you said nothing, Do I have this correct?
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I think you do? I think you do?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I do I do.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's crazy now. Then the next day, Okay
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: police get a shocking phone call from Christian David's daughter, Brittany,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: the one that I talked about earlier, who said all
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of this about her mom. She tells the police that
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: her mom has more to tell them. Okay, So buckle up, guys,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: because Christy goes back to see detectives and once again
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: her story changes. I mean, this woman's got stories. Okay,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: So if you're counting what I know, this officially makes
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: her third version of the story that she told police.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: We're not talking about when she told other people, just
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: the police, Okay. Now, this time she confesses that Khalil
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: killed David because she asked him to. She had told
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Khalil that David verbally and physically abused her, and she
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: went on to say that she had had sex with
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred men because David had forced her to. Now,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I gotta say something funny here because that's heavy. But
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I want to know how you can't decipher between fifty
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: and one hundred because that's quite a range. I mean,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: if I'm not going to get fifty pennies to one
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: hundred pennies, I mean, I'm maybe it's me because I
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: don't math. But I needed something funny here because the
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: fact that she was abused and she shares it with
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: the police. Now, Christy then went on to tell detectives
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: that David was a sex addict and that he liked
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: to watch her having sex with other men. I mean, guys,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: if that's what turns him on, and if it's consensual
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: between the two people, and she agrees, I think it's
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: her business. And guys, after you hear what she says
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: in the letter said while she was waiting for trial,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I am going to say I think that she was
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: not forced. This is where I said, I am on
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: the fence. I can't decide if I'm being gas lit
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: or what. And I wish I could sit down and
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: have a conversation with her, but she He then goes
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: on to say that she couldn't leave David because he
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: threatened to kill himself or kill her, so the only
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: way out she saw was to have him killed. Now, guys,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: let me just be Captain obvious here or Captain underpants,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: whichever one you want.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have to be wearing them.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: You have to be wearing them. I mean, you don't
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: want to leave him because you're worried he's going to
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: kill himself, but you're okay with having him killed. I
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: mean this confused me. I need you to make up
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: your mind. Do you want him to live or do
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: you want him dead? Because well, I guess I answered
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: the question myself because he's dead. But that's another reason
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I am so unsure now. She also said she was
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: confessing and telling the detectives the whole truth so that
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: she could get right with God.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, wait a second, hold on one moment.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: The library is open. HUNTI no, you don't get to
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: yell I'm getting right with God. Like it's a punch
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: card at a frozen yogurt place. You don't commit a
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: murder on Monday and try.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: To cash in spiritual.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Rewards by Thursday. Where was the holy attitude when you
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: were handing Khalil the murder weapon like it was a
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: party favor. This is this is not how redemption works.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: It's not a weekend retreat. It's not a SPA day,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: and it's not a cue pot. The library's closed.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I agree, And like I said earlier, it's one reason
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: why I am so on the fence, because I never
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: want to blame a victim, and I'm not blaming her.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I cannot buy all of her claims. Okay,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I do think there was some emotional abuse, financial abuse,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: but yeah, now, she did not go home that night,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: and guys, there's a possibility that she will never go
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: home again in this lifetime.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I lie the luck library is open again except to
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: the dear Lord when she dies, but probably not even then,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Saint Peter's gonna be at the Pearly gate saying well, well, well,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: if it isn't time getting right with God herself. Then
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: he checks his list. He squints, flips a few pages,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: and goes, yeah, so about that, God said, you tried
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: to explain the murder in a letter with lipstick kisses.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a no from us. Dog.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I like you as a librarian near mind Ooh, I
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: bet you will be the naughty little librarian in the minajatois.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe I know, have my character for my drag. Oh.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe. Now Christy continues to go on and detail the
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: abuse she says she suffered from David and David and
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Christie's kids. Two of them did say that when their
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: parents were good, they were great, but when they were bad,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: things were not great. I mean, later their son even
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: detailed the physical abuse he suffered at the hands of
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: his father. Now I need to be fair, because I
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: need to just go on record and saying I'm not
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: saying David is a good guy. I do think he
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: was a controlling I do think he was an abuser.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: But I'm also saying he didn't need to be murdered
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: because you can get a divorce and spare your children's
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: to be traumatized. Even further, if their father abused them
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: and traumatize them, then your mom does that. Just we're
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: compounding trauma after trauma. We are.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Now we have mentioned so far Khalil Square, who we
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: have deemed the lover and the accomplice. So Khalil was
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: born December two, nineteen ninety four. Nineteen ninety four. He
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: was raised by his loving grandparents. Am I wrong?
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I think it was ninety No, I'm just like going
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. That's when one of my children were born.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: That's a few years before me or after me, not
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: before me. Take going after you, please.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I mean before you?
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, before you? Yeah, you know, after yep. All right.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: So he was raised by his grandparents, his loving grandparents.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Despite this, and as we know, things sometimes are beyond
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: a simple parents or grandparents love. Khalil ended up serving
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: four years in prison for aggravated assault with the deadly
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: weapon after he stabbed Amand during a confrontation. I have
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: been informed by producer Terra that it is a twenty
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: year age difference and that that, my friends, is the
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: difference between blues cruise and something else.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I always say, difference is there between us? Well,
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I want to say I'm going to be fifty five
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: in July.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I'm thirty six to thirty seven, so so close close.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: So it's like, oh that, I'm sorry elephants dat. I
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: think you're great, but yeah, that's just no, no, that's
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: a no for me. I got a hair.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Bob that sounds like I got one, Okay, so that
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: would be.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Like me having sex with my child.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Well, she didn't seem to care. I guess. Oh, I
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: don't know. The pair and Khalil seemed like they would
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: roll in the same circles, right of course they would, well,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: pretty much the opposite obviously, just kidding. The question is
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: how in the hell did David and Christy find Khalil? Well,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: they met when David found Khalil on Craigslist, as one does.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I guess, good God, David, Christi and Khalil met up
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: in More, Oklahoma, around an hour and a half north.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: And yes, I did look it up. Where Khalil lived
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: for a threestem. David and Christy had such a good
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: time they met up again a week later. Now, what
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: do we know about threesomes? One they sound like a
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: great idea until someone brings a whiteboard in a diagram. Two,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: there will always be one person who suddenly gets very
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: into performance arts. And three, at least one person will
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: pretend they've quote never done this before while clearly assembling
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: ikea furniture midact.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, first, I got to say, I think you know
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: way too much. But I'm going to just go on
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: the record and say you probably googled. But we can
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: talk about that tomorrow night.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: But I've never done this before, Terry.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: This got me thinking, and I went down a rabbit
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: hole about what are the most awkward things someone can
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: say during a threesome? So number one, but I like
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: that one more. Number two? Do you think his is
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: bigger than mine?
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: That's a trap?
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, but guys, my favorite is what does that smell?
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, so thank you Reddit for helping me go down
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: that rabbit hole, because there was a whole Reddit section
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: about awkward things to say and do while having a threesome.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, I spent like two hours in a threesome
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: rabbit hole.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let that one simmer for a second and
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: then continue on. Okay. So the bottom line is that
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: something like that requires trust, and it's the kind of
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: trust you ge't when you lock eyes with someone across
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: a room and silently agree. No one talks about the
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: sock puppet incident ever again. Now why do I say this? Well,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Christy was interested in Khalil outside of her marriage, and
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: she left him a note with her number on it
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: after they all met up a week after their first hookup.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: She basically would just like scribble it and just like, eh, trash, Khalil,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Can you pick that up for me and don't throw
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: it away? They began an affair that went on for
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: several months and up to the murder. Khalil believed that
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Christy was in love with him, which is like saying
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: the barista who smiled that she wants to raise alpacas
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: together in Vermont. No they want a tip, and no no,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: not just the tip. They want to provide good surface.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Christy wanted something from him, hence her being nice. Trauma
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: is dress.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: So that's the moment, that's me that is not true.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: If they walk eyes with me, they want to raise
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: goats and dogs with me. So, oh, okay, how do
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: you think I got double H.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming you didn't have him murder anybody, but I don't.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Know that's trin It wasn't during threesome. So I just
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: thought about that after I said it. I did not
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: find him on Craig's list, and I did not find
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: him in a threesome.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: He was on double H list and he was the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: only one. So according to Khalil, he had never so this, guys.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: According to Khalil, he had never been with someone who
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: he could have such intense sexual relations, which really makes
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: you rethink your entire nun fear. I guess I just wow.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Christy told Khalil that David abused her and that the
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: only way they could ever be together was if David
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: was dead, which is less a red flag and more
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: flaming banner with the words you're going to prison stitched
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: in human error kind of buries the lead. So on
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the night of the murder, Christy gave David a sleeping
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: pill so he could quote get a good night's rest,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: which is like handing someone a parachute made of bricks
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: and saying sweet dreams in the way down. Christy then
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: left the door unlocked and provided a gun for Khalil
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: to use, and in his confession, Khalil said that he
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: got scared and he started getting cold feet. But Christie,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: who was quote sleeping, told Khalil just do it and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: kill him before he wakes up. And I can only
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: imagine the like the mom look that he got, you
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, just like yeah, so Khalil being devoted,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I guess he was a devoted third wheel shot. David
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: took the gun and then left the house. I've never
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: seen somebody be so devoted as part of a tricycle,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: but here we are.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, I wonder how long she gave Khalil to
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: get away from the crime scene before she called nine
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: on one because I looked and I couldn't find it anywhere,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: did you see.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't. And it's really it's really difficult, because yes
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: you can. I mean, we don't have I don't have,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: like you know, as morbid as it sounds, I don't
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: have the autopsy to find out when they determined his
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: time of death. And if you could, if you can
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: clock that then you can compare it to when she called.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: But my guess is he literally just walked down the street,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: or not down the street, but he just walked to
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: his car and just got and left, you know.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Probably like fifteen minutes.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Max. Yeah, yeah, I want to know how.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Morbid I am because we're in this true crime space
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: and this just hit my brain. You don't think they
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: like had some of that amazing sex after he did
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: that before he left, do you? I It just me
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: it's the.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Wine, and so yeah, maybe I don't think so, I don't.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: I don't either, but it just hit my brain that
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: I never thought of it.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like we had mentioned, you know a little earlier,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: three days after David's murder, Christy was arrested and charged
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: when the prosecutor and the defense couldn't come to a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: plea agreement. Look at her in those little handcuffs. So
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: she's like a Kei blerelf who started eating the cookies.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: All right, I shouldn't have said that, but I said
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: it anyway. In it So she was arrested in charge
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: with the prosecutor and the defense could not come to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: a plea agreement where she agreed to plead guilty. So
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: they did what's called a blind plea, and what that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: means is that's that's a plea deal where the judge
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: gets to determine the sentence. So Christie's defense attorney was
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: asking for four years in prison and life on probation.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: That's what she was asking for.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know what they say, you don't know.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: If you don't ask, sure.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: That you don't know.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: If you don't askulting, it's insulting.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: You get more for attempted murder. So while the prosecution
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: wanted her to be sentenced to life without parole, was
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: this was this was based on the fact that they
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: felt she was a very good liar and the fact
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: that she had continued writing explicitly sexual letters two different
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: men while awaiting trial. I I just, I can't. I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: don't understand. I here, I just, I just I just
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: want to take two moments and just yeah, that'll work.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Read what I've drafted up here. Uh, this is what
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: I think that letter read light and here we go.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Dear handsome stranger. I hope this letter finds you well
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: in imagining me. Of course, I'm not going to lie.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: It gets off alonely in here, cold nights, colder beds,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: and no one to whisper my secrets to well, not
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: the fun ones.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: And anyway.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: You ever wonder what it's like to be touched like
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: a sermon and sinned for like a confession. I could
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: teach you both, Sugar. I may be behind bars, but
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: trust me, I still know how to preach to the flesh.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: You me a locked door, no need for forgiveness. You
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: should write back to me, tell me what you'd do
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: if I were lying besides you right now, nothing but
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: skin and intentions. I'll write back with all the details
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: you can't say in church unless your church is into that,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: in which case a'll ehlujah yours in temptation.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Christie. Now, while I've obviously just made that up, I
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: feel like that's probably a pretty accurate way to describe that,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: since in one letter she wrote, and I quote and
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: this was written for sure one moment. Please, I'm so
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: good in bed. Any man would have killed hold on, sorry,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I'm so good in bed. Any man would have killed
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: my husband if I asked. Now, while that's a hell
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: of a review for YELP, I don't think that's something
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: you need. The guards than the lawyers than the judge reading.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I just heard a collective face poem
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: from everybody. I hope or its vomiting. It's one of
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: the two.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, all I'm saying to hear is going, what
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: is the actual hell? I mean, she must think her
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: pee is extra extra magical, because guys, I personally cannot
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: imagine anyone that is that good in bed, and not
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: even Magic Mike could get me to go kill somebody.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure she wasn't sparkle Puss. So you should
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: be safe to retain that title.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I am sure, because Amber would have done you
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: in and we would have been covering you on a
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: case if you tried to take away sparkle Puss, because
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: sparkle Puss is my name. That is my name.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: We get we we get a lot of we get
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions, you know, and I think this
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: is this is a key one. This is a foundational one.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: From our producer Tara. She wonders if her swinger name
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: was Holy Ghost, maybe it was Holy Driver, Holy Drive.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have to say I didn't even know
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: that you could go to Craigslist for a hookup. I
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: thought that's what you use like the apps for I'm
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: like so out of touch. I didn't know you could
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: do hookups on Craigslist. Oh oh yes, you sure can you?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Oh girl, girl, girl, I mean, how do you think
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: most young kids at that point when Craigslist was a
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: big deal suddenly knew a lot of things about a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: lot of things.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Really, I thought you just bought like dogs, or you
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: bought washing machines or things like that, or you found
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: a job on Craiglist.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna need you to ask your son and see
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: what he used.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: He used my Space.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: That, Oh that was a very unique part of my
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Space that I guess the algorithm didn't put me in
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: touch with.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Thank god, uh soused until later. It looks like producer
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: terra things. We found our topic for tomorrow. Now, I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: will say on Craigslist when I say, you could look
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: for jobs there and post your resumes. I know back
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: in the day we would tell women. As a TA director,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: I would tell my staff as recruiters, always tell the females,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: do not put your address on your resume, because if
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: you're out of a job, then they know you're at
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: home alone. Yep, okay, but I didn't know you could
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: go on there and dolla hookup.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: What available online there? Yeah? Yeah, the person that's where
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: you get like that male seek female or you get
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: the male age, da da da da da, you get
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: like all the identifiers. That's where that all. Yeah, I'm
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: sure it comes from earlier than that, like sixty.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Here it was the observer in Texas. She did that. Okay,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: that makes sense. Then I was thinking that there was
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: a pineapple section that you said, Hey, I want.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: To hook up with my there's that. Oh, there's a
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: little bit of everything for everyone. It's like it's like
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: the the verbal porn hub. There was a sub genre
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: for everything.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: So can I ask tomorrow night on our members only?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Because I trust our members only? Great, but I love them.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Can y'all edge imacate me? Please on this Craigslist?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Well found our topic for tomorrow.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, now let's keep going because yeah, I need to
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: learn more.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: So, continuing on with what producer Tara appropriately described as
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: nightmare fuel, Christy said that she guessed she should have
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: watched more Dayline. Yes, ma'am, yes you should have, but
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: I'm really glad you did. Lesson one, don't leave a
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: paper trail. Lesson two, don't confess like it's a game show.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: And lesson three, Keith Morrison will roast your ass in
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: a voice so soothing you'll let him help you into
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: the oven and not even notice.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Hold on, now, oh my god, look at Keith Morrison there.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: I personally love Keith roasting souls in people in a
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: soothing voice. Because, guys, I've said this before, I truly
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: sleep with Keith every night in my ear. Every night
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: in my ear it is Keith Morrison, Keith I I mean, well,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: his voice is soothing.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: It's true. Now, the final thing she said in a
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: letter was quote I could wear a man out quote
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: any man would have done it for me after I
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: got through with him. Well, nothing that she said happened.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: No amount of defense was going to help her, honestly,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: and from my perspective, it was the letters and some
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: of the other evidence that disproved a lot of what
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: she alleged. Now, especially these things. Christy was sentenced to
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: life in prison with the possibility of parole in twenty
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: sixty after serving a minimum of forty five years. Now,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I know you're all asking what happened to mister Puttang Boomerang.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I mean Khalil. He pleaded guilty, and his defense attorney
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: was asking for a twenty five year sentence, stating that
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: he had been manipulated in killing David Evans and he
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: never would have killed him if it wasn't for Christie. Honestly,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: that might be true, but it's kind of like saying
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have driven the getaway car if she didn't
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: tell me she liked fast rides and bad decisions or
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: the legal equipment. Mhm.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: He had spent time in prison for stabbing somebody. What
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: is the step you stabbed somebody killed them? Right?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: Or am I missing this too? For sure?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm kind of glad. I don't understand,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: like how any of these folks put their stuff together
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: at all. I think he was simply the murderous Disney sidekick.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to kill him. I was just following
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: the lady with the jazz hands in perfect spark plus
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Uh what well?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Oh uh? I am the only sparkle and he was
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: not following me.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: I was figurative. That was figurative and not literally, okay.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Khalil was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: of parole. When he is going to be in his sixties,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: so roughly at least thirty three years. You know, I
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: with I didn't write this down, but you know, in
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: terms of in my notes, but I feel like co
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Leo has a greater chance of being let out after
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: the minimum sentence. To be honest with you, it just
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: kind of depends on what they considered mitigating factors.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: But it depends on how he behaves in prison. I mean,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: if he shanks somebody while he's in there, he's not
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: getting out early.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Correct. Now, here's the thing, you know, at the time
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: of a sentencing, he said that he was truly deeply
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: sorry for his crime, which is much like Savage Garden.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: He must have heard the song truly madly deeply before
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: he did this. But then he said he accepts responsibility
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: and that it haunts him each and every day. I mean,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: maybe that's true, but that's also a really really good
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: way to play the long game, or like parole in
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: thirty thirty three years, just say you've learned your lesson
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: right right away. I'll be your dream, I'll be you,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: we shall.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Be see, I'll be yet, don't even that. Yeah, let's seeah.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Now, Okay, now after Savage Garden, it breaks up my concentration.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: But something I found interesting because you know, he said
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: that to the judge, and I appreciate that because so
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: many people that we cover that kill people, they show
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: no remorse. So I do appreciate the remorse. But something
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: that's funnier than shit was that the prosecutor said that
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: Christy had screwed Khalil stupid. And I don't know why
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: I felt that, buddy, but I isily thought. I don't
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: think I've ever screwed anyone stupid, And maybe I need
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: to up my game. I mean, maybe I need to
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: up my game because I mean, she screwed him.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Stupid me thinks this prosecutor.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Prosecutor has said this publicly on camera.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think the prosecutor was reading her letters.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: And Terry, give yourself a little more credit than that.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: You've at least screwed somebody silly. Maybe not stupid, but silly.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: And honestly, I can't tell which one's better. Do we
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: have a gauge? Is there like a gauge for this?
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Is it like one or the other? I don't know
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: how there it is? Stupid boom done producer Tara delivering.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: I'll say breathless.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Woo. I'll say breathless, hopefully not beatless, because that's yeah,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: that's a whole other Okay, you know what, Let's just
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: talk about the church and the public reaction, shall we,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: because what better to transition into church reactions. So as
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: you can imagine, there were reactions all throughout the community,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: and they range from anger, to sadness, to shock and surprise.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: And then as time went by, these folks all moved
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: through more. And then the trial unfolded even more and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: harmony free will Baptist Church quote grieved in fresh shock
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: as investigators alleged their late pastor was a swinger and
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: his widow confessed to plotting his murder with a man
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: she spent three nights with while he was in Mexico
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: on a mission trip. They said, quote, the circumstances are
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: that are now coming to light have taken us by surprise,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: and we are greatly saddened. We serve a perfect savior,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, who gave his life for us. These revelations
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: do not diminish the truth, and we will continue to
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: serve him. We are aware that even pastors can succumb
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: to human frailty, and we ask that our privacy be
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: respected at this time as we are a church family,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: as we as a church family grieve and process all
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: of these events. In a statement really after evans killing,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: church officials called the circum the quote circumstances that are
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: now coming to light surprising and said they were greatly saddened.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I would imagine that this is a really, really weird
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: thing to go through because all of a sudden you've
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: got people who are like, well, if God planned everything right.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: So David evans mother, Jean Richardson, said Wednesday that she
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: believed the judge handed down the correct sentence. Quote. I
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: don't know if there's justice, but I don't believe in
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: the death penalty, said Richardson, who was eighty at the time. Quote,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: it's not an eye for an eye, but it is punishment. Also,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: how terrible is it to have to see your son
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: at the age of eighty, Well, she's at the age
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: of eighty, be murdered or die before you Like that's
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: you should never have to do that, like never. So
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Christy Evans's daughter, Brittany Long, who is publicly supported her mother,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: said that she wasn't done fighting for her mother and
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: hoped that she could get mental health treatment in prison.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: The church members and community, they were shocked when Christy
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: was arrested. They were more shocked to learn that the
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: pastor and his wife, well they were swinging, just.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: A swinging, just a swing. And well, I am going
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: to just go on record right now and say I'm
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: glad that my bestie just joined in the chat, and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: I am going to pray to God she hasn't been
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: listening this whole time.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just replace.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: She's gonna be like, oh, I need to tell them
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: some stories.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Hey, bestie, you are welcome on when you are you.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: And I will see you this weekend.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Nowing toue.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: I will say, it's got to be shocking to learn
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: that your pastor is a swinger with his wife. But
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: I still need to go on record and say, if
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: they are both consenting adults and no one is getting hurt,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's any of our damn business what
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: they do in the bedroom. Just gonna say that. And yes,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: he I mean, he still works for somebody. He still
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: has to preach what he's sold to preach. But I
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: don't think we should shame anyone for their kinks if
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: it's not hurting anyone, So I need to say that.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's shocking. I will tell you this and
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: if anyone wants to email me when I say this
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Terry Atcwtmedia dot com. At least he wasn't abusing children, okay,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: and they were adults. Now, before I say what I'm
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: gonna say, you know, see my bestie Cheryl, she will
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: not tell any of my stories because she will take
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: them to her grave.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: She probably also knows that you have stories about her.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming there's blackmail involved.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, now, But with that being said about their
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: consenting adults, I will say, in recent years, we are
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: seeing the public you know, the conversations around abuse and
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: manipulation are getting more and more out there. And guys,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: the people who are bringing those conversations out they are
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: brave and it is necessary, okay, and I'm glad survivors
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: are stepping forward. Okay. It's making us confront uncomfortable truths, okay,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: especially when those abuses are cloaked in the veil of
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: religion or power. Okay. Now, religious hypocrisy, for those who
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: do not know, is where individuals or institutions preach morality
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: while practicing exploitation and guys, that cuts deep. Okay, it's
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: the pastor who delivers the sermons on family values while
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: abusing their power behind closed door. Okay, but I want
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: to say, being a swinger and if your wife is consenting,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: is not abusing your power. I need to make that
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: very clear, because I'm sorry, I read so many things
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: online where people were shaming him for that. They weren't
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: shaming if it wasn't agreed on, because if it wasn't
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: agreed and she was really forced into it or manipulated,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: that's a totally different thing. Okay. Now, it the community
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: that demands forgiveness from victims while shielding the abuser. So
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: the religious churches organizations that are protecting these people who've
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: harmed children, molested, pee lead people, or done thing against
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: their will is different than a married couple who had
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: been married for many, many years deciding to spice up
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: their life. Okay. But the good thing is we are
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: seeing a shift. Social media, documentaries, podcasts and survivors that
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: are getting out there and being brave and leading movements
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: are breaking the silence, and we need that to continue. Okay,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: and I just want to make sure people don't get
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: those confused. Now, guys, secrets that were once whispered behind
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: closed doors and they are now public. And it's not
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: just about calling out the hypocrisies. It's about protecting the
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: vulnerable and holding those individuals accountable. Okay, And for those
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: that believe, it's reclaiming the true spirit of faith, community
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: and healing. Okay. Now, talking about abuse, manipulation, and religious
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: hypocrisies isn't easy, but guys, it is vital. It is important.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: The Catholic Church, my own religion, held it silent for
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: years and they destroyed so many Okay, but change only
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: happens when the truth is no longer hidden.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah, while you all know that I'm not usually
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: short for words to that, I say here here you know,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: also being raised Catholic as well, you know, that's that
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: that's situation, you know, you know, it's really interesting. I
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: want to say this before I hit my closing thoughts.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: What's really interesting to me is that I don't think it.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: I don't I think that, you know, in in that
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how to say this, I
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: think in Catholicism, what happened there and still happens is horrible,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: and I think it's it's it's reprehensible. It it is terrible,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: and it should be condemned in all ways, shapes and forms.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: I think that it wasn't necessarily that that caused people
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: to be like, we can't do this anymore. I think
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: it was the fact that it was hidden. I think
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: it's the fact that they were moved around despite knowing
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: what happened. I think that it was the sheer again,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: as you mentioned religious hypocrisy of it all. I think
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: if they would have came out and said, this is
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: going on, we were doing everything in our power to stop it.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: We have, I've condemned this, blah blah, you would have
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: a much stronger church right now. But guess what, you don't,
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  Speaker 1: and you certainly don't have my generation and the generations
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  Speaker 1: after me, because that hypocrisy will not stand and we
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  Speaker 1: will call you out on it.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: So anyways, agree one thousand percent, and I will tell
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: you it is one of the reasons both of my
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: boys were baptized Catholic. But then all that stuff started
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: coming out, all the lies and the hiding, and that
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: they took them from one church to another knowing they
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: did it. I did not have my boys go to CCD.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't have them do their first communion, their confirmation
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: because I was scared. I was like, they hit it.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: It's not that it happened. It happens, but you acknowledge it.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: It's the fact they hit it and let it keep
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: going that made me scared for my own children.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep. Yeah. So you know, I don't regret
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  Speaker 1: how I grew up. I don't regret going through all
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: the sacraments. I was very lucky. I didn't have any
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: of that stuff happened to me, and I didn't have
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: any friends that I knew of who had said anything. Anyways,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: I don't want to assume that happened to them. I
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: had very good I had great priests who were wonderful,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: and I kept But I think Kelly p kind of
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: sums it up. I think, I mean, you know, no
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: matter how you feel about the Christian Church, that situation
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: gives it a bad name for those who are seeking God,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: a God, the God whoever right, either lower case or capital.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: So I think you hit it on the nail on
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: the head. And so let's move into closing thoughts, unless
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: unless you had something else I do.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: So the one thing I think, whether it happens in
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: a church, a school, a corporation, a community center, it
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: is the secrets the wise. Okay, you can't do that.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: The shit happens. We know what happens. There's bad people
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: out there, handle it, own it, find out how it happened,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: and try to put things in place to stop it
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: from happening again.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Yep. So what have I learned tonight? Well, at the
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: end of the day, this case wasn't just shocking because
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: of the murder. It was shocking because every time you
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: thought it had peaked in chaos, it just continues to escalate.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: And honestly, this case is frustrating to me. Like I
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: said in the beginning, it's messy, it's layered. At times,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: it feels like everyone involved just needed more honesty, boundaries
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: and a lot more therapy. And and that's that sounds
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: like a joke, but it's not. The relationship between Christy
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: and David was far from simple. It was shaped by secrecy,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: religious expectation, and a sex life that people don't often
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: talk about, especially in the religious communities. It's easy, It
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: is easy to look at this case and want to
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: roll your eyes at the chaos and believe me I have.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: But the deeper you go, the more you realize that
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: this was about people trying and failing to escape their
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: pain in the worst possible ways. It is hard. It
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: is hard to talk about sex, religion, abuse, and power
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: without stepping on toes. We know I'm good at it,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: or stirring up judgment, but it's important because hiding those
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: conversations is exactly what led situations like this fester. I
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if there's justice in a
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: case like this, but I do know that there are lessons.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: There are lessons about listening to people, about not ignoring
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: red flags even when they're dressed up in church clothes,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: and about how important it is to make space for
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: the hard, uncomfortable truths, not because they are easy, but
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: because they matter.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Agree nothing I was my grandmother's telling me anything worth
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: having or doing is hard. So now this case makes
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: me sad. We didn't get into the kids much, but
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. My heart hurts for the three children of
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: David and Christy. Like I said earlier, I watched in
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: an interview with one of their sons, and he said
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: that he felt his mom got what she deserved for
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: murdering someone, but that he admitted he so loved her
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: because she was his mom, the same way he still
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: loves his dad, even though his dad abused him and
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: wasn't always a good dad. Guys, this made me stop
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: and think about the kids. No matter how old they are,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: when this crap happens, it affects them and their children
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: and so on and so on and so on. I
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: don't think we stress that enough. And the secrets is
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: what makes it affect generations after generations, you know it does. Now.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: I believe that Klill was manipulated by Christie, Okay, but
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: like I said earlier, I am not willing to say
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: that he would never kill. You know, he did spend
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: time in prison, Okay now, David, Yeah, I am sad
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: that he was murdered, but I truly hope he had
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: to answer for his when he met his maker. You know,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: if you kind of believe in that kind of stuff,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: and he appeared to be a believer. And like I
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: said earlier, I'm not talking about him being a swinger.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: If that's his thing, he's on board. I'm talking about
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: the abuse emotional, physical, financial that he did to his family.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about, him answering to his maker. Okay. Now,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: I am not a fan of do as I say
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: and not as I do. Okay, I'm not now to me,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: that is the sign of a pure, cold hearted liar
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: in my opinion. But on the other hand, he was
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: doing his job, and he apparently loved God, loved all
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: of that, and he did not see consensual activities in
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: a marriage as a sin. That's his thing. But I
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: am glad that Christy and Khalil were given lengthy sentences
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: and guys, I hope they use their time wisely and
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: learn from their poor decisions. Because Khalil didn't learn from
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: his prison experience the first time. He didn't learn, so
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: I think he needed to go back to school. But
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: I also want to say, if you are a victim
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: of domestic violence, there are resources for you. Okay, do
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: not let it get to the point that you them
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: your children are deceased. Okay, get help. And I know
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: it takes time, it takes multiple times, but just know
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: you can get out of it and you can have
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: a better life. God that is heavy. Let's talk about tomorrow.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, please, Tomorrow is going to be our members. Well,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: first off, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: It was a heavy case, but thanks for sticking around.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow is our members only live at eight at nine
• 1:35:01
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• 1:35:05
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• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be going in depth about Mary and see
• 1:35:12
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• 1:35:15
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• 1:35:20
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• 1:35:24
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• 1:35:29
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• 1:35:31
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• 1:35:34
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• 1:35:37
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• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: something else. I hope, I hope that we were able
• 1:35:46
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• 1:35:49
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• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: is what it is, and you all are brilliant people.
• 1:35:56
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• 1:35:58
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• 1:36:01
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• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: So okay, I'm okay. Was staying dumb it down for me, okay,
• 1:36:08
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• 1:36:14
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• 1:36:18
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• 1:36:21
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• 1:36:24
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• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: You know, that would be a whole other show. But also,
• 1:36:32
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• 1:36:35
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• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: there's enough pink involved. I mean they were Sith. It's
• 1:36:42
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• 1:36:43
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• 1:36:44
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• 1:36:49
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• 1:36:53
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