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- 0:03Speaker 1: At four seventeen in the morning. On June thirteen, twenty nineteen,
- 0:08Speaker 1: a fifty nine year old woman walked alone down a
- 0:11Speaker 1: gravel road in Draylen County carrying a mustard yellow Samsonite suitcase.
- 0:16Speaker 1: She had packed it in the dark without waking the
- 0:19Speaker 1: man sleeping upstairs. She had opened his lock box with
- 0:22Speaker 1: a combination she had spent two years memorizing in silence.
- 0:27Speaker 1: By the following morning, that suitcase sat upright on a
- 0:30Speaker 1: dock at Caulfield Reservoir, Her passport lay open on top
- 0:34Speaker 1: of it, valid, unburned, undamaged, and the man whose house
- 0:40Speaker 1: she had just left was already on the phone with
- 0:42Speaker 1: a sheriff's detective describing her as unstable. What happened in
- 0:46Speaker 1: that house over nearly four years was not a physical assault.
- 0:50Speaker 1: There were no broken bones, no hospital records, no restraining order.
- 0:56Speaker 1: What happened was something quieter, something that required patience and
- 1:01Speaker 1: planning and a very specific understanding of one vulnerability. Melissa
- 1:07Speaker 1: Reid was sixty two hundred miles from home, and her
- 1:10Speaker 1: legal right to remain in the United States existed on
- 1:13Speaker 1: a single piece of paper, a piece of paper that
- 1:16Speaker 1: Wayne Norris controlled. There is something in this case that
- 1:20Speaker 1: resists a simple label. When investigators finally pulled Norris's computer records,
- 1:26Speaker 1: what they found did not look like rage or passion.
- 1:30Speaker 1: It looked like research. Melissa Reid had spent more than
- 1:34Speaker 1: twenty years as a licensed practical nurse in Cebu City
- 1:38Speaker 1: in the Philippines. She was methodical, reliable, the kind of
- 1:43Speaker 1: person colleagues described as unflappable under pressure. She had raised
- 1:48Speaker 1: a daughter, Rena, born in Hong Kong around nineteen eighty eight.
- 1:53Speaker 1: By the time Melissa was approaching sixty, Rena was an adult,
- 1:57Speaker 1: and Melissa's life had the particular quiet of someone who
- 2:00Speaker 1: had done hard work for a long time and earned
- 2:03Speaker 1: a measure of steadiness. She met Wayne Norris online in
- 2:07Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. He was American, roughly her age, a homeowner
- 2:12Speaker 1: in Dreleen County. Their correspondence stretched across two years. By
- 2:16Speaker 1: the time Melissa boarded a flight to the United States
- 2:19Speaker 1: in November of twenty fifteen, the relationship had the shape
- 2:23Speaker 1: of a beginning. She arrived with that mustered yellow samsonite.
- 2:28Speaker 1: Norris was her sponsor, his name on her affidavit of support,
- 2:32Speaker 1: which is a legal document in which a sponsor promises
- 2:35Speaker 1: the federal government they will financially support the person they
- 2:38Speaker 1: are bringing in. It is also in the wrong hands,
- 2:41Speaker 1: a structural lever. The first months felt by her later
- 2:45Speaker 1: account attentive. Norris drove her everywhere. He explained that opening
- 2:51Speaker 1: a bank account required his help, that the process was
- 2:54Speaker 1: complicated for someone in her immigration status. He was available, present,
- 2:59Speaker 1: or toward her needs in a way that at the
- 3:03Speaker 1: time felt like care.
- 3:05Speaker 2: It was not care. It was calibration.
- 3:08Speaker 1: Melissa's wages from part time work began flowing into Norris's account.
- 3:13Speaker 1: She had no individual account of her own. She had
- 3:16Speaker 1: no car she could use freely. Her immigration status was
- 3:21Speaker 1: tied to a joint petition to remove the conditions on
- 3:24Speaker 1: her green card, a petition that by around twenty seventeen.
- 3:28Speaker 2: Was legally due.
- 3:30Speaker 1: Norris told her it was processing. She had no way
- 3:33Speaker 1: to verify that. She trusted the word of the man
- 3:36Speaker 1: whose name was on her legal documents. What Norris was
- 3:39Speaker 1: actually doing in twenty seventeen, according to computer records later
- 3:44Speaker 1: obtained by investigators, was get this searching. He searched the
- 3:50Speaker 1: expiration dates on conditional green cards. He searched what happened
- 3:54Speaker 1: when a petition was never filed. He searched how someone
- 3:58Speaker 1: could report and out of status resident to federal authorities.
- 4:02Speaker 1: He was not confused about the paperwork. He was building
- 4:06Speaker 1: a clock, and he was the only one who knew
- 4:09Speaker 1: how much time was left. Melissa had one consistent window
- 4:13Speaker 1: of freedom. Every Thursday morning, she volunteered at Carver Community Kitchen,
- 4:18Speaker 1: a shift that ran from roughly nine forty five in
- 4:21Speaker 1: the morning to two thirty in the afternoon. Norris knew
- 4:25Speaker 1: the schedule. According to evidence later reviewed in the case,
- 4:28Speaker 1: he had disabled the GPS on the vehicle Melissa used
- 4:32Speaker 1: and monitored her driving radius. The Thursday shift was not
- 4:36Speaker 1: invisible to him. It was the boundary he was watching.
- 4:39Speaker 1: What he did not know was what she was doing
- 4:42Speaker 1: inside it. Starting in March of twenty nineteen, on Thursday mornings,
- 4:47Speaker 1: Sarah Dixon was waiting. Dixon worked for the Drayleen County
- 4:51Speaker 1: Immigrant Services Coalition, an office on Pendler Avenue. She had
- 4:56Speaker 1: been assigned to Melissa Reid's case after a referral that
- 4:59Speaker 1: traced back in directly to the kitchen where Melissa volunteered.
- 5:03Speaker 1: Dixon was a licensed clinical social worker. Her job was
- 5:07Speaker 1: to assess what she found in the first meeting was
- 5:10Speaker 1: a woman who carried herself with the careful quietness of
- 5:13Speaker 1: someone accustomed to being overheard. Melissa had no individual bank account.
- 5:19Speaker 1: That was the first concrete image Dixon encountered, a woman
- 5:24Speaker 1: who had been employed in the United States for more
- 5:27Speaker 1: than three years, earning wages, and had no account in
- 5:30Speaker 1: her own name. Norris had told Melissa that her immigration
- 5:34Speaker 1: status made individual banking impossible, that it was complicated, that
- 5:39Speaker 1: he was handling it on her behalf. Dixon pulled up
- 5:42Speaker 1: the eligibility criteria on her office computer. Under four minutes,
- 5:47Speaker 1: Melissa qualified immediately and without exception, three years of wages
- 5:52Speaker 1: funneled into another person's account, built on a single sentence
- 5:56Speaker 1: that was never true, but that lie significant, as it
- 5:59Speaker 1: was pointed towards something bigger. Dixon began looking at the
- 6:03Speaker 1: immigration petition itself, the joint filing that would have removed
- 6:07Speaker 1: the conditions on Melissa's green card. The petition had been
- 6:11Speaker 1: due around twenty seventeen. Norris had assured Melissa it was processing.
- 6:16Speaker 1: It had never been filed, not delayed, not lost, never submitted.
- 6:21Speaker 1: Dixon contacted immigration attorney Carl Fenster, who confirmed what the
- 6:25Speaker 1: records showed there was no petition in the system bearing
- 6:29Speaker 1: Melissa's name. The window during which Melissa might have filed independently.
- 6:34Speaker 2: Had been narrowing.
- 6:36Speaker 1: She had been living in the United States on documentation
- 6:39Speaker 1: whose legal foundation was dissolving, and she had no idea.
- 6:44Speaker 1: Here is the thing about Norris's computer. When investigators later
- 6:48Speaker 1: obtained it, they did not find confusion.
- 6:51Speaker 2: They did not.
- 6:51Speaker 1: Find the searches of a man trying to understand a
- 6:54Speaker 1: complicated bureaucratic process. They found the searches of a man
- 6:58Speaker 1: who already understood it exactly what he was doing. Twenty
- 7:02Speaker 1: seventeen through twenty nineteen. He had searched the expiration mechanics
- 7:07Speaker 1: of conditional green cards. He had searched what federal authorities
- 7:11Speaker 1: required to initiate a deportation proceeding. He had searched how
- 7:14Speaker 1: a person could report an out of status resident. He
- 7:17Speaker 1: was not researching a problem, he was maintaining one. Melissa, meanwhile,
- 7:22Speaker 1: was building something of her own quietly on Thursday mornings
- 7:27Speaker 1: between nine forty five and two thirty. The meetings with
- 7:30Speaker 1: Dixon happened during that window. The consultations with Fenster happened
- 7:36Speaker 1: during that window. Every document that would eventually underpin her
- 7:40Speaker 1: independent petition was assembled. During that window, Norris monitored her
- 7:45Speaker 1: driving radius. He watched the boundary. He did not know
- 7:48Speaker 1: what was accumulating inside it. There was one more image
- 7:52Speaker 1: from those Thursday meetings that stays with the record. Melissa
- 7:55Speaker 1: mentioned at some point during the spring consultations that she
- 7:59Speaker 1: knew combination to Norris's lock box. She had memorized it
- 8:04Speaker 1: approximately two years earlier, watching without letting him see that
- 8:08Speaker 1: she was watching. The lock box was where he kept
- 8:11Speaker 1: her passport. She had not taken it then. She was
- 8:14Speaker 1: not ready, but she knew how to get it when
- 8:17Speaker 1: she was. That is not the behavior of someone who
- 8:20Speaker 1: is passive. That is the behavior of someone who is planning.
- 8:25Speaker 1: The evening of June twelfth, twenty nineteen, was not unusual
- 8:29Speaker 1: by any external measure. Norris came home. Melissa was on
- 8:33Speaker 1: the phone. She was speaking to Galog, her language, the
- 8:38Speaker 1: language she used with her daughter, Rena, who was living
- 8:41Speaker 1: in Hong Kong and with whom contact had become increasingly
- 8:45Speaker 1: difficult over the years she had spent in Drayleen County.
- 8:49Speaker 1: Norris heard the call. He told Melissa to end it.
- 8:53Speaker 1: Then he told her that she had no legal standing
- 8:55Speaker 1: to remain in the United States, that she could be reported.
- 8:59Speaker 1: That would happened and next was entirely up to her.
- 9:02Speaker 1: He did not strike her. Melissa told Dixon this plainly later,
- 9:07Speaker 1: and the record reflects it. What happened on the evening
- 9:10Speaker 1: of June twelfth was something that left no visible mark
- 9:14Speaker 1: and was nonetheless, by every legal standard applied in the case,
- 9:18Speaker 1: an act of coercion.
- 9:19Speaker 2: She did not sleep that night.
- 9:21Speaker 1: At four seventeen in the morning on June thirteenth, Melissa
- 9:25Speaker 1: Reed got up, walked to Norris's lock box, entered the
- 9:29Speaker 1: combination she had memorized two years before, and took her passport.
- 9:33Speaker 1: She packed the mustard yellow samsonite she had carried from
- 9:37Speaker 1: Cebu City in November of twenty fifteen. She walked approximately
- 9:42Speaker 1: two miles in the dark to Caulfield Reservoir. There is
- 9:46Speaker 1: a dock there. She set the suitcase down on the
- 9:49Speaker 1: dock upright. She opened the passport to her photograph and
- 9:53Speaker 1: placed it on top of the suitcase, and then she
- 9:57Speaker 1: walked away toward a gas station. About half a mile
- 10:00Speaker 1: further on. From the gas station, she called Patrice Howell,
- 10:05Speaker 1: the coordinator at Carver Community kitchen, the person at the
- 10:08Speaker 1: far end of the Thursday window, the one who had
- 10:11Speaker 1: known her longest in this country. Howell did not hesitate.
- 10:16Speaker 1: Melissa was sheltered at Howell's home beginning June fourteenth. William
- 10:20Speaker 1: Mitchell found the suit case and the open passport on
- 10:24Speaker 1: the dock that same morning.
- 10:26Speaker 2: He reported it.
- 10:28Speaker 1: The items were logged by the Sheriff's department and placed
- 10:31Speaker 1: in an evidence locker. Norris contacted the Sheriff's department as well.
- 10:35Speaker 1: He told the detective that Melissa was unstable, that her
- 10:39Speaker 1: behavior was erratic, that he was worried about her. The
- 10:42Speaker 1: suit case sat in the evidence locker for nine days.
- 10:46Speaker 1: On June twenty third, Melissa walked into Dixon's office for
- 10:49Speaker 1: the last of the Thursday meetings. Dixon had the documents ready.
- 10:54Speaker 1: Fenster had prepared the independent petition. Three days later, on
- 10:58Speaker 1: June twenty sixth, Wayne Norris was arrested. The charges were
- 11:02Speaker 1: immigration fraud, financial coercion, and criminal confinement. He asked for
- 11:08Speaker 1: a lawyer, He said, nothing. Picture the lock box. It
- 11:12Speaker 1: sits on a shelf or in a closet or a drawer.
- 11:16Speaker 1: The precise location never entered the public record.
- 11:20Speaker 2: What is known is.
- 11:21Speaker 1: That Melissa Reid walked to it in the dark at
- 11:23Speaker 1: four in the morning and opened it without hesitation. She
- 11:27Speaker 1: had memorized the combination two years before the night she
- 11:31Speaker 1: used it, two years of watching the numbers without appearing
- 11:35Speaker 1: to watch, two years of knowing she might meet them
- 11:38Speaker 1: and saying nothing. That image reframes every earlier one. The
- 11:42Speaker 1: woman who had no bank account, no car she could
- 11:45Speaker 1: use freely, no visa petition in the system. She was
- 11:49Speaker 1: also the woman who had already located the exit and
- 11:52Speaker 1: was waiting for the moment she could survive reaching it.
- 11:55Speaker 1: One explanation for the doc scene is that Melissa was
- 11:58Speaker 1: in crisis, exhaust did, frightened and acting without a clear plan.
- 12:03Speaker 1: The open passport, the upright suitcase, the two mile walk
- 12:08Speaker 1: in the dark.
- 12:09Speaker 2: These could read as.
- 12:10Speaker 1: The movements of someone whose composure had finally fractured. That
- 12:14Speaker 1: version of events was, in essence what Norris told the sheriff, unstable, erratic,
- 12:20Speaker 1: not to be believed on her own account.
- 12:23Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
- 12:24Speaker 1: That version collapses the moment you measure it against the
- 12:27Speaker 1: Thursday window. She had been meeting with Dixon for three months.
- 12:31Speaker 1: She had already consulted with Fenster. The independent petition was
- 12:35Speaker 1: essentially prepared before the night of June twelfth. What happened
- 12:39Speaker 1: that evening did not trigger a plan. It triggered the
- 12:42Speaker 1: execution of one. The dock scene was not a breakdown,
- 12:47Speaker 1: It was a departure. She left the suitcase and the
- 12:50Speaker 1: passport in a public place where they would be found,
- 12:53Speaker 1: logged and preserved. That is not erratic. That is evidence management.
- 12:58Speaker 1: Walk the morning of June thirteenth, again, at four seventeen,
- 13:03Speaker 1: Melissa took the combination she had held in memory for
- 13:06Speaker 1: two years and used it once. She walked two miles
- 13:10Speaker 1: to water. She set down the suitcase she had carried
- 13:13Speaker 1: across an ocean. She opened the document that had been
- 13:17Speaker 1: kept from her. She left both in plain sight on
- 13:20Speaker 1: a dock in a county where she had been a
- 13:22Speaker 1: consistent and documented presents every Thursday for more than three years.
- 13:28Speaker 1: Then she called the one person in Draylan County who
- 13:31Speaker 1: knew her schedule, her situation, and her character. The strongest interpretation,
- 13:36Speaker 1: the one the evidence supports without requiring inference, is that
- 13:40Speaker 1: Melissa Read understood with great precision that her credibility would
- 13:45Speaker 1: be challenged. She left a record the suitcase contents documented
- 13:50Speaker 1: what she had and what she lacked. The open passport
- 13:54Speaker 1: demonstrated that the document was valid and had been in
- 13:57Speaker 1: someone else's possession. The ball to Howell created a contemporaneous
- 14:02Speaker 1: witness to her state of mind, and the nine days
- 14:05Speaker 1: she spent at Howell's home before meeting Dixon were not confusion.
- 14:09Speaker 1: They were containment, waiting for the legal architecture to be ready.
- 14:14Speaker 1: What Norris had built over four years was a system
- 14:17Speaker 1: financial dependency, immigration, uncertainty, monitored movement, controlled communication.
- 14:24Speaker 2: What Melissa had built in the.
- 14:26Speaker 1: Margins of that system on Thursday mornings between nine forty
- 14:30Speaker 1: five and two thirty was its dismantlement, thread by thread.
- 14:34Speaker 1: Without him knowing, the word he used in the jail cell,
- 14:37Speaker 1: the word Brian Coe heard him say. The word that
- 14:41Speaker 1: became central to the prosecution was leverage.
- 14:44Speaker 2: He had described the lock.
- 14:45Speaker 1: Box, the expired petition, and the financial isolation as leverage.
- 14:50Speaker 1: He used the word as though it were neutral, as
- 14:53Speaker 1: though leverage were simply a feature of the arrangement. It
- 14:57Speaker 1: was not neutral, and it was no no longer is
- 15:01Speaker 1: Wayne Norris was arrested on June twenty sixth, twenty nineteen.
- 15:06Speaker 1: The charges were immigration fraud, financial coercion, and criminal confinement.
- 15:11Speaker 2: He asked for a lawyer.
- 15:13Speaker 1: When investigators first spoke to him, he said nothing. That
- 15:17Speaker 1: silence lasted eleven days. Then he was placed in a
- 15:20Speaker 1: cell with a forty one year old man named Brian Coe.
- 15:24Speaker 1: Norris did not know that Coe was paying attention. He
- 15:28Speaker 1: spoke about the lock box. He spoke about the petition
- 15:31Speaker 1: he had never filed. He spoke about the bank account
- 15:35Speaker 1: he had told Melissa she could not have, and he
- 15:38Speaker 1: used a single word to describe all of it, leverage.
- 15:42Speaker 1: He said it the way someone says the word when
- 15:44Speaker 1: they believe what they built was reasonable, when they believed
- 15:48Speaker 1: the arrangement was simply efficient. Coe contacted his attorney. Prosecutors
- 15:52Speaker 1: obtained a recorded interview. Norris confessed the confession did not
- 15:57Speaker 1: happen because investigators broke him. Happened because he underestimated a cellmate,
- 16:02Speaker 1: the same way he had underestimated a woman who spent
- 16:05Speaker 1: two years memorizing a combination. A trial, a second woman
- 16:09Speaker 1: walked into the courtroom. Donna Kates was forty eight years old.
- 16:14Speaker 1: She had seen Norris's photograph in a news report and
- 16:17Speaker 1: recognized him immediately. In two thousand nine and twenty ten.
- 16:22Speaker 1: She had been his correspondent during a visit to Indiana.
- 16:26Speaker 1: She had woken to find her passport gone. He had
- 16:29Speaker 1: taken it while she slept. She had never reported it.
- 16:33Speaker 1: She had never told anyone. She testified in March of
- 16:37Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and what she described was not a coincidence.
- 16:41Speaker 1: It was a pattern with a prior rehearsal. The jury
- 16:45Speaker 1: convicted on all counts. The computer evidence confirmed what the
- 16:49Speaker 1: case had built toward. Between twenty seventeen and twenty nineteen.
- 16:55Speaker 1: Norris's searches included information about green card expiration dates, deportation procedures,
- 17:02Speaker 1: and how to report out of status residence. He had
- 17:05Speaker 1: not forgotten to file the petition. He had decided not to.
- 17:08Speaker 1: The expiration was not a bureaucratic gap he failed to close.
- 17:12Speaker 1: It was a door he left open on purpose, so
- 17:15Speaker 1: she could never walk through it safely. The GPS evidence
- 17:18Speaker 1: confirmed the rest He had disabled location tracking on the
- 17:22Speaker 1: vehicle Melissa used, and investigators found records showing he had
- 17:26Speaker 1: monitored her driving radius. He knew where she went. He
- 17:30Speaker 1: knew she did not go far. What he did not
- 17:32Speaker 1: know was that she did not need to Carl Fenster
- 17:36Speaker 1: filed the independent petition under the battery in Extreme Cruelty provision.
- 17:41Speaker 1: The legal standard does not require physical violence, it requires
- 17:45Speaker 1: documented coercion. The case file provided it in full. The
- 17:49Speaker 1: unfiled petition, the funneled wages, the disabled GPS, the controlled
- 17:55Speaker 1: communication with Rina, the lock box, the computer searches, the
- 17:59Speaker 1: jailalehouse word. Melissa Reid was granted lawful permanent residence. She
- 18:05Speaker 1: moved to an apartment on Pendler Avenue in Dreyleen County,
- 18:09Speaker 1: the same county where she had arrived a decade earlier,
- 18:12Speaker 1: with a mustard yellow Samsonite and a man she believed
- 18:15Speaker 1: was building a life with her. Sarah Dixon returned the
- 18:18Speaker 1: suitcase after the trial. She carried it to the apartment herself.
- 18:23Speaker 1: Melissa still volunteers at Carver Community Kitchen every Thursday. The
- 18:27Speaker 1: shift runs from nine to forty five in the morning
- 18:30Speaker 1: to two thirty in the afternoon, the same window that
- 18:33Speaker 1: had once been the only four hours and forty five
- 18:36Speaker 1: minutes in a week that belonged entirely to her. It
- 18:39Speaker 1: still belongs to her now. The rest of the week
- 18:41Speaker 1: does too. There is something about this case that goes
- 18:44Speaker 1: beyond what any verdict can fully reach. Norris never raised
- 18:49Speaker 1: a hand. There are no photographs of bruises, no emergency
- 18:53Speaker 1: room records, no visible wound. That explains what four years
- 18:57Speaker 1: of systematic dismantlement does to a per person's sense of
- 19:00Speaker 1: what is real. The coercion was architectural. He built a
- 19:04Speaker 1: structure around her life so precisely that she could not
- 19:07Speaker 1: see its edges. She had a valid passport, she had wages,
- 19:12Speaker 1: she had a phone, she had a front door she
- 19:14Speaker 1: could walk through, and none of it was hers, because
- 19:17Speaker 1: every single piece of it was conditional on his approval
- 19:20Speaker 1: and his silence. What Melissa understood, and what the evidence
- 19:25Speaker 1: eventually confirmed, is that the system he built had one flaw.
- 19:30Speaker 1: It required her not to think, and she had been
- 19:32Speaker 1: thinking quietly and continuously for at least two years. She
- 19:38Speaker 1: memorized the combination. She learned the Thursday schedule. She built
- 19:42Speaker 1: a relationship with Patrice Howell over soup and conversation at
- 19:46Speaker 1: a community kitchen. She waited until a social worker named
- 19:50Speaker 1: Sarah Dixon was assigned to her case. She waited until
- 19:54Speaker 1: an attorney named Carl Fenster had documents ready to file,
- 19:58Speaker 1: and then.
- 19:58Speaker 2: On a morning in June.
- 20:00Speaker 1: She packed what was hers, retrieved what had been taken,
- 20:03Speaker 1: walked two miles in the dark, and left the evidence
- 20:06Speaker 1: where anyone could find it. She did not run, she documented.
- 20:11Speaker 1: This case is not rare in its mechanics. Immigration based
- 20:15Speaker 1: coercion follows recognizable patterns. Control the document, control the money,
- 20:21Speaker 1: control the story, make the threat feel like protection. What
- 20:25Speaker 1: is rare is the precision with which Melissa dismantled each
- 20:28Speaker 1: layer from inside it, without resources, without a safety net
- 20:33Speaker 1: visible to anyone watching. In the four hours and forty
- 20:37Speaker 1: five minutes a week that were not being watched, Donna
- 20:40Speaker 1: Kates never had the chance to document anything. Her passport
- 20:44Speaker 1: disappeared in the night, and she stayed quiet for a decade.
- 20:48Speaker 1: That silence, the one Nora is counted on, is the
- 20:52Speaker 1: same silence the system he operated depends on. It is
- 20:55Speaker 1: why a woman who walks two miles to a reservoir
- 20:58Speaker 1: and leaves a suit case on a plain sight is
- 21:01Speaker 1: not making a desperate gesture. She is breaking the silence
- 21:05Speaker 1: in the only form available to her, in a language
- 21:08Speaker 1: the legal system could actually read. Melissa Reid spent four
- 21:12Speaker 1: years living inside a structure designed to make her believe
- 21:16Speaker 1: she had no options, She leaves that story not as
- 21:19Speaker 1: its casualty, but as its most careful witness. This show
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