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Fraud Friday: The Shady Legal Squatter w/ Traci Thomas · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: What's poppin Congregation?
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  Speaker 2: Is your girl?
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  Speaker 1: Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release
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  Speaker 3: older episodes from the Scam Goddess Baalt. That's right, Fraud
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  Speaker 3: Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes.
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  Speaker 1: From behind the paywall.
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  Speaker 3: Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay.
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  Speaker 1: Scheming Scam, Come.
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  Speaker 2: Robb and froll.
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  Speaker 1: Scam, Come Robb and froll. Scam Goddess. What is popping Congregation?
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  Speaker 2: It is your girl?
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  Speaker 3: Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess. Welcome back to another installment
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  Speaker 3: of Scam Goddess. No, you are not on one point
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  Speaker 3: five speed.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just talking really fast. Uh did I say my
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  Speaker 1: name was Lacy Mosey. I believe I did.
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  Speaker 3: This is a podcast dedicated to fraud scams, Boom, Docker, Rea, Bam,
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  Speaker 3: juseln robbery, kaw anything and all those that practice it.
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  Speaker 1: Guys.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very yes excited, you know I am. You know
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  Speaker 3: I am money very excited. For today's guest. We have
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  Speaker 3: a black queen on the show. We have the hosts,
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  Speaker 3: the creator of The Stacks, a podcast all about books.
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  Speaker 1: Remember I was how to get your eyes and to them.
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  Speaker 3: Each week's special guests come on the show to discuss
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  Speaker 3: books that they love, hate, haven't read, or books that
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  Speaker 3: they wrote. New episodes of The Stacks drop every Wednesday. Congregation,
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  Speaker 3: Please welcome Tracy Thomas to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Tracey, I'm so excited to be here.
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  Speaker 3: So, Tracy, you are after my own heart because I
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  Speaker 3: love the spelling of your name.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, do you want to hear the craziest thing
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  Speaker 2: this is wild? My married last name, a name that
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  Speaker 2: I do not use, is Casey. So my married name
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  Speaker 2: is Tracy Casey. Do you want to die for me?
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  Speaker 2: Because I know you would die if that was your
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  Speaker 2: married last name.
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  Speaker 1: Also Tracy kase No, I love it.
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  Speaker 3: That's a name for crime. Tracy case gotta be out here,
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  Speaker 3: Rob with paper and Tracy. I just assumed you were black?
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  Speaker 3: Are you wait?
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  Speaker 2: I am?
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  Speaker 4: I am, I'm half I'm mixed.
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  Speaker 2: I got a white mom and a black dad.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I just you know how black people
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  Speaker 3: I just assumed I was like, no, Ty's black.
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  Speaker 2: Nailed it.
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  Speaker 3: But Tracy, Yes, So I saw my last name with
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  Speaker 3: her my first name with an eye as well.
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  Speaker 1: I guess we didn't do this our mother.
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  Speaker 4: No, my dad did my name.
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  Speaker 2: He came in hot, like it's gonna be with an eye,
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  Speaker 2: like I guess. For my brother, they spent a lot
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  Speaker 2: of time on his name. For me, my dad just
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  Speaker 2: like went to my mom and it's like, it'll be
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  Speaker 2: Tracy with an Eye, thank you, and that was it done.
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  Speaker 3: Your dad has so much influence in the naming process.
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  Speaker 3: For me, it was my grandmother because my mom wanted
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  Speaker 3: today me Lark and I love that name. But my
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  Speaker 3: grandmother was like no, and so we went with Lacey
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  Speaker 3: and my mom's Lori with an Eye. So I'm Lacey
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  Speaker 3: with an Eye, which I love this anytime only I've
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  Speaker 3: said this on the podcast before, but only when I
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  Speaker 3: get in an uber.
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  Speaker 1: They will say my name wrong. Every time I get
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  Speaker 1: into uber.
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  Speaker 4: What do they say?
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter the nationality of the driver. It's la Chai, lacky, lazzy, Lakai.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard everything, and I'm like, yeah, it's really just Laci,
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  Speaker 3: but you know.
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  Speaker 1: Go off, Oh my god, so Tracy.
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  Speaker 2: With an I.
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  Speaker 3: What is your relationship with scams? Do you like them,
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  Speaker 3: do you hate them? If you have ever been scammed?
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  Speaker 2: It could be anything, Okay, I have been scammed, okay recently,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to talk about it recently.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we love a recent.
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  Speaker 2: Come not super recent. I should say it was at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of the pandemic. And to my defense, before
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  Speaker 2: I say more, I have twins children, twin twin kids,
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  Speaker 2: and they are two years old, and at the time,
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  Speaker 2: they were talk about a fuck did.
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  Speaker 1: You did you?
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  Speaker 3: Were you bargained for one baby and they were like,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna get too.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, maybe I'll get pregnant, and then I
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  Speaker 2: got pregnant with two babies in a month. So it
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  Speaker 2: was that's the ultimate scam. But so, okay, my kids
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  Speaker 2: are like four months. The pandemic has just started. I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, running the podcast, doing my whole thing, trying
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  Speaker 2: me a mom. My husband is a medical professional, so
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  Speaker 2: he's out of the house, like doing saving lives, curing COVID.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. And I get this email on my
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  Speaker 2: business account from Amazon that's like, hey, something something TV right,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I haven't slept in seven years, Like
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  Speaker 2: let me call the number. When I say it, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sting embarrassed called to be like I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: this TV is going to Kentucky. I'm so embarrassed telling no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I just got a receipt and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they must have sent this strong person. I hope they
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  Speaker 2: don't charge me for this TV that got sent to
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  Speaker 2: Kansas or Kentucky. So I call I start talking to
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  Speaker 2: the guy. He's like, great, we're gonna we're gonna request
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  Speaker 2: a new thing, like go ahead, and he's like walking
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  Speaker 2: me through the steps to change my password or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and so I'm like clicking the button and he's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what's the code they just sent you? And then it's like, great,
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  Speaker 2: just tell me the code over the phone. And then
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, of course, it dawns on me
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  Speaker 2: and I just hang up, and then I like call
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  Speaker 2: Amazon and I'm like, I think I got scammed, Like
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  Speaker 2: I have new babies, and like, I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: they're targeting me. But it was fine. But then last
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  Speaker 2: week I got a thing from my bank that was like,
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  Speaker 2: we got an address change on your bank. So I
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  Speaker 2: call the number and I'm like and then they're like,
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  Speaker 2: what's your Social Security number? And I was like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my god, I'm getting scammed. So I hang up and
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  Speaker 2: then I call my bank again, and then they're like, no,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't a scam. We really just messed up your address.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, you know what, I got scammed
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  Speaker 2: a year and a half ago by Amazon, and I
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  Speaker 2: will trust no one ever again.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Tracy, better safe.
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  Speaker 3: We always say on this podcast, hanging up is definitely
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  Speaker 3: the step one when you feel like you're being scammed
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  Speaker 3: over the phone is just go ahead and remove yourself
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  Speaker 3: from conversations. Two, since that you were like prefacing this
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  Speaker 3: with these details with Tracy, there's no shame on this podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a scam.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of our listeners. No, a lot of our
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  Speaker 3: listeners have been scammed listening. I am a mark, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a scammer. There is no shit there is.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god. It was like the stupidest scam. It
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  Speaker 2: was like a picture of a receipt. I blew it.
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  Speaker 2: I hate myself because I think that I'm like so
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  Speaker 2: tough and smart, because I am passionate about like a
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  Speaker 2: cult moment, like a scammer and a cult like I
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  Speaker 2: love the fair and noose thing. I was big in
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  Speaker 2: their noose before every outlet covered a yeah, just huge,
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  Speaker 2: huge on all of that stuff. So I was like
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  Speaker 2: I'll never get scammed. My eyes are wide open, like
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  Speaker 2: I am here to protect myself against these people. And
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  Speaker 2: then they're like, you ordered a TV to Kansas and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: I super didn't. Do you want all my information?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks?
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  Speaker 1: Listen. It happens to the best of us.
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  Speaker 3: And this is fresh off of the scam of you
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  Speaker 3: having two babies because you better than me. If I
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  Speaker 3: if I said I want one baby and they talk
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  Speaker 3: about two, I'd be like, what cha gonna do with
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  Speaker 3: that other one?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: What we gonna do?
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  Speaker 2: You? Only you can't put them back in after they came.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, can they be returned because it's a lot. No?
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  Speaker 1: Did I hate seeing twice?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: I only wanted one because I says twice. The baby
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  Speaker 1: that's twice, the food twice.
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  Speaker 2: The clothes twice. The diapers, oh twice.
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  Speaker 3: The diapers, oh man, because at least with clothes, maybe
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  Speaker 3: you could like they were.
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  Speaker 2: All it's all the same clothes. We rotate. We don't
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  Speaker 2: do an exact twin on twin because they're identical twins.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, why would I make this harder for myself?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, what I say, I will say with an identical twin.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like you could get a little double min
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  Speaker 3: moment out of these babies.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? We get the babies a ploy?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like I should. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I should be taking them to all the studios
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  Speaker 2: and be like, here are my beautiful children, pass millions.
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  Speaker 2: Have you heard of Mary Kay and Ashley? I'll do
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  Speaker 2: you on better. Look at these two, right.
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  Speaker 1: I bet they're beautiful because you are a beautiful woman.
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  Speaker 3: So, but I'm sure the kids are giving with the
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  Speaker 3: facials and they're very cards very yes, if I do
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  Speaker 3: say so myself, I cooked them up, but you're like,
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  Speaker 3: I cooked them a real fresh batch of kids.
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  Speaker 2: They're delicious.
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  Speaker 3: I will say though, during COVID it is harder to
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  Speaker 3: be like, get the babies he employed, because if there
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  Speaker 3: wasn't COVID, then I'd be like because working as an actor,
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  Speaker 3: like people will hand me fresh babies on set that
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  Speaker 3: I have to work with, and this is like a
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  Speaker 3: like this baby is fresh fresh. I'm like, y'all just
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  Speaker 3: splashed them off a game something like damn, did you
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  Speaker 3: cut that Bilgal core? So you know, back then, people
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  Speaker 3: used to offer up their fresh babies all the time.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, with COVID, I totally look at that. But
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  Speaker 3: you know what, you did the right thing. I would
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  Speaker 3: say you shouldn't be embarrassed about this because you did
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  Speaker 3: hang up the phone when you started to realize that
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  Speaker 3: things were a little siss.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know you.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't order to tap.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't. Yeah, I didn't like actually lose my entire
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  Speaker 2: Amazon account, thank god.
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  Speaker 3: But people will do that, Like if you get unprompted
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  Speaker 3: emails and you know you haven't bought anything, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you haven't purchased anything, just let the email go. I've
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  Speaker 3: gotten emails where they had my password and they were like,
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  Speaker 3: oh girl, we got your password and were about to
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  Speaker 3: leak all your shit and I just don't respond, Like
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  Speaker 3: what are they gonna do?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're so right, Ah, yeah, you're right. I
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  Speaker 2: just now I just delete. I'm like, oh, I ordered
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  Speaker 2: another TV. I've gotten like five more of the exact
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  Speaker 2: same one since then, and every time I get so mad,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, okay, I'm not gonna fall for it again.
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  Speaker 3: People they're like, we got Tracy to call mister prime once,
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  Speaker 3: so see if we can get her to call mister
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  Speaker 3: Prime one more time, like, no, just call mister Prime
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  Speaker 3: and give him the past word, because yeah, guys, anytime
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  Speaker 3: somebody's trying to verify codes with you or things like that,
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  Speaker 3: it's like if they don't have any information on their side.
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  Speaker 3: We say this on this podcast all the time. Any
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  Speaker 3: institution that has your information will treat you like a
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  Speaker 3: very jealous girlfriend that you've cheated on multiple times or
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  Speaker 3: partner in general. They'll be like, where were you and when?
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  Speaker 1: And what time? Okay? And then and then what.
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  Speaker 3: Was the last four digits? Like they're never gonna just
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  Speaker 3: ask you for all the information. They should have the
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  Speaker 3: information as well. We don't ask questions we don't know
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  Speaker 3: the answer to. But no, that's that's.
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  Speaker 1: Not too bad.
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  Speaker 2: You've heard worse.
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  Speaker 3: I've owned much much, much worse, and they still wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be judgment. But do you think, like, are you again scammers?
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  Speaker 3: Do you kind of understand where they come from? I
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  Speaker 3: depend on the scamp.
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  Speaker 2: I love a scammer. I mean if it's not if
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  Speaker 2: you're not scamming me, I'm here for it. I love
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  Speaker 2: to hate a scammer, Like I think Elizabeth Holmes is
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  Speaker 2: a perfect human being as far as like entertainment purposes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, like the look, the hair, the turtleneck, just
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  Speaker 2: the voice, Holy shit, Like are you out of your
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  Speaker 2: mind with that voice? Elizabeth? But I love like one
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  Speaker 2: of my favorite this isn't really a scam, This is
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  Speaker 2: more of a cult, but like I but it had
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  Speaker 2: a scam element is Jonestown Jim Jones, one of my
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  Speaker 2: one of my obsessions.
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  Speaker 4: I just I'm I'm here for it.
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  Speaker 2: The audacity of it, right, like you just are gonna
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  Speaker 2: do this and everyone's just gonna say yes, Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 3: I would say that cults fall underscams, like you have
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  Speaker 3: to have a certain personality to start a cult, to
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  Speaker 3: believe you and you know, and I feel like it's
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  Speaker 3: a big Leo energy.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well I'm a Leo. So I think this is
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  Speaker 2: why I love these people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, religion around me. Yeah, of course sounds normal, plausible.
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  Speaker 2: Love the like really like like the Lula rich ones,
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  Speaker 2: like they really just like those leggings were moldy, like
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  Speaker 2: what millions.
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  Speaker 3: The legs were a little molded. But you know what
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  Speaker 3: you all you have to do is put them in
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  Speaker 3: the oven. They said, the freezer halfway the freezer and
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  Speaker 3: they good is new, Okay, goodness new and I love that.
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  Speaker 3: That's such a great segue into our first segment here,
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  Speaker 3: What's Hot and Fraud. This is where we warn our
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: listeners about popping scams and the zeitgeys, and more often
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  Speaker 3: than not, we get a letter from you guys as
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: always snitch on your friends and family and scam got
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  Speaker 3: his pot at gmail dot com. Just make sure the
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: scam is retired because we don't want to what yes,
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  Speaker 3: fuck up your bag? So I just need a fake
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  Speaker 3: name from you, Tracy. It could be we don't care
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  Speaker 3: about gender.
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  Speaker 1: Clancy, Oh Clancy, I love that. That's that.
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  Speaker 3: Clancy sounds like somebody who was like in the early
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  Speaker 3: nineteen twenties and like had horses and maybe like a
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  Speaker 3: general store.
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  Speaker 2: No. Clancy to me sounds like the old black dude
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  Speaker 2: at the barber shop, Like oh oh Clancy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, okay, we're going that way.
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  Speaker 3: Clancy is definitely a hotep who has who didn't get the.
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  Speaker 1: Vaccine because five G and Mary J.
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  Speaker 3: Blige and that all adds up when Clancy tells you
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  Speaker 3: about it. So Clancy says that about eight years ago,
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of my girlfriends convinced me to join them
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  Speaker 3: in a sort of self empowerment slash new age phone
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  Speaker 3: group pyramid scheme. O God, what a sentence, too many odjectives.
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  Speaker 3: Out empowerment, new age phone group pyramid scheme. I mean
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  Speaker 3: you got me, so we gotta have an iPhone more.
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  Speaker 3: We definitely got crystals.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of breathwork.
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: You know about Chaka Russ, because you're definitely gonna need
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: your Chaka rus for this. I mean, the thing is
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: is like wellness scams and the cult of like I
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: don't know, I'm so on the fence about this, and
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  Speaker 3: I guess I'm a cynic. But when I have some
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  Speaker 3: friends who are real hippy dippy, you know, I got
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  Speaker 3: some sage, I own some sage. I got a few crystals.
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  Speaker 3: But certain people when they're just like when they that's
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  Speaker 3: like how they speak all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, what's going on with you?
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  Speaker 3: And like, you know, this is what I'm creating space
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  Speaker 3: for this, and I'm holding space for this, and I'm just.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I'm with you. I mean, unless it's your job.
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  Speaker 2: Like I have a woman who gives me massages and
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  Speaker 2: she speaks in a foreign language of wellness, but I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: like your whole job is to heal people, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: But any type she like will be like, oh blah
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  Speaker 2: blah blah, you know, charcoal interior ligament scrub, And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: how do you do That's like, you drink this drink
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  Speaker 2: and then you charge the crystals in the moon, and
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  Speaker 2: then in six weeks of drinking the drink you'll have
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  Speaker 2: new bones.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, excuse it's gonna scrub my ligaments
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  Speaker 3: from this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, you.
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  Speaker 1: Have a new cartilage scrub. What do you how do
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  Speaker 1: you scra up cartilage?
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  Speaker 2: Boo?
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  Speaker 1: That's on the Okay, okay, I'm a drink it though
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  Speaker 1: I'm a drink it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just go ahead and get that not right there,
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  Speaker 2: that would be right.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I will say that if you're in the wellness space
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  Speaker 3: and that's your profession. That's the only time I'm not
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  Speaker 3: as creeped out because I won't lie like the bedside
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  Speaker 3: manner of a massospiing like, oh yeah, get that neck out, queen,
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  Speaker 3: I'm the bus all of your neck.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: That feels it's the wrong language when I get it.
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  Speaker 3: When I get a massage, I do want them to
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  Speaker 3: be like okay, and now we're gonna really uproot. I
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  Speaker 3: want them to say things like uproot.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly exactly. But like when your friend who's
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: in marketing is like telling you about a way to
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: like clean your chakras or whatever, You're like.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, don't you like for PEPSI don't.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Isn't there like an Instagram story you need to be
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: working on, Like, let's let's do this.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely with you on that.
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: So it was presented as a sister circle where we
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: would all be supporting our sisters. Not you're already laughing
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: at sister circle. Why can't the girls have a shape?
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: The girls want a shape.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: It's a surprise.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: I feel like circle is overused. If you're gonna get
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: into scamming.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: Like, give me a ac the guy, I'll take an Oval.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Give me a Queen's rambus.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, parallel gram for the people, Yes, parallelogram for the people. Okay,
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: that's what I want. I feel like circle is just
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: you know, even Oval would would.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: Get a little close.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: So this is a sister circle where we'd be supporting
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: our sisters, meditating on abundance and checking in once a
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: week with each other on a group phone call. No, no, Jersey,
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: you don't want to meditate on abundance?
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Do you want to get on another phone call? Be honest?
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Is that gonna make you feel better?
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: Boom Zooms says in all the zoom square.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I'm into it. I'm into it so far. I joined
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: the circle.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Have fun.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Damn, Trice, you're not coming.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: No, no, I need to tell me about it. To
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: text me afterwards and tell me what they all said.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: Tracy, get out the car, come own. We manifested abundance.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: I love I love a meditation moment. It's just closing
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: your eyes and thinking, and I love that. I love
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: that for everyone involved. So it's set up like an
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: old school pyramid scheme airplane game where you have the
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: different levels starting with the appetizer. Now, hold on, we
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: started with a circle and now we're moving on to
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: a food analogy.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's like on the circular plate, there's an appetizer.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you could be a part of the trass.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: You are too, I've got the vision, but we.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: Always happened out. So at the bottom is the appetizer.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: We're gonna start with a moose bush. We start with
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: the appetizer, okay, and then at the top level you're
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: a dessert.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, where is the smack though?
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Right, it's fundal. I don't know how this sounds sexual
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: to me, but okay.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: So I think these names were given so that anyone
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: if they ever saw the communications that was from an
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: outside group, they would think we were just planning a
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: pot love.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: I was pretty I was pretty sure that this was
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: some bullshit, but a lot of my friends made it
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: through the ranks very quickly and came out of the
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: other side. To be a part of this group, you
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: had to put in ten thousand dollars. I had a
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: friend lend me the ten thousand dollars with the agreement
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: that I would pay it back to her when our
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: circle was complete. So I just feel like, if I'm
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: manifesting abundance and I already got ten k, I should probably.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Just work with that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: I would just take that to an investor. Yeah.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Also, I love that it's a circle, but it's really
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: a pyramid scheme. And also you don't get the money
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: till your circle's complete, so it's actually just a line.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: It sounds like to me, just like it's not there's
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: no circle happening.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Chersey, how many geometric figures have we just passed through
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: so quickly as a circle, and then it's really a triangle.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: This is a geometry podcast, but really it's linear.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just hoping you never took geometry. Yes, yeah, exactly,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: they're hoping that you slept through.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: It scared.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: God.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: And so this was not money that I had lying around,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: but my more affluent friends did and they were able
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: to pool their affluent friends.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Some people went to the top in less than a month. Wow.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: So if you if I feel like, if I have
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: that many friends who have ten thousand dollars, I probably
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to convince them to join a circle
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: of meditator like.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: You have me on the healing and the wellness.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: But you got me confused when it's ten thousand dollars,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Like I thought we were meditating.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Meditation is product. What's the thing that they're selling? Just
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: just a phone call, a group, a group chot, Like,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I'm confused on what's the thing?
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Grow to circle okay, and its sisters and it's a.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Sister, so it's just you're buying. You're buying ten thousand
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: dollars worth of rich friends.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know how circles to have like a diameter
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: and then they have a circumference. So ten thousand dollars anyway,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: got it done? It makes sense, think about it. You know,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: you need to meditate longer, Tracy. That's why you're not.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I'm assessing a lot of negative.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: There's something clogging my inner aura. I don't know.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you backed up, and it's because.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: It's because I don't know geometry and I don't have
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars to give to my friends.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And this is very much an old school scam.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: There's even like an episode of The Parkers about this
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: that it does use these terms like the.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Dessert and the ez. Yes.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I can't remember the season, but there's an episode of
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: The Parkers where te gets involved in like a pyramid
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: scheme like this, where it's a dinner party in quotes,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: but it's you know, money. So the scheme is that
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: you had to invite women into the circle that would
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: put in ten thousand dollars after five women join the
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: bottom rung of the appetizer positions. Now, I don't know
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: how circles got wrong again geometry, So after the five
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: women joined the bottom rung of the appetizer position, the
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: highest dessert position would get their payout of fifty thousand dollars,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: and then the circle would split and five more women
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: would have to be invited until it could start over again.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: So I'm imagining that the circle must split amongst the
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: five people at the bottom, because otherwise.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I'm so lost. I have to know, I'm terrible at
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: math and my image. It's just it's not working for me.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, I guess this person, says Clancy says, I guess
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: I came into the game late because I was very
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: successful in getting people to join. But by the time
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I was in the position of the dessert and ready
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: to get my bag, people had joined three to five
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: other circles and the whole thing stalled out. I mean,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: these pyramid schemes can last so long, but this process
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: of failure was accelerated. A lot of the money was
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: coming from growing weed cash money. Okay, now growing weed
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: is involved.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is a different circle. Then you sort of
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: buried the lead plans.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Right Clancy, Are you a part of a cartel? Has
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: a cartail gone through a rebrand? Girl Boss? No, we're
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: we're a feminist circle of cocaine distribution.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's not a cartel, it's a circle.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: It's a circle, and we moved squares aka bricks ambrigs
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Like this is curious. So basically Clancy is saying that
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: by the time they had invited the people to give
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the ten thousand dollars, the circle had already split up
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: before they gave Clancy the bag.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: But if they joined three other circles, it's I mean,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: they put down thirty k.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to understand.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: So it sounds like Clancy got scammed within a scam,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: like everyone else made out and Clancy got double scam.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like Clancy, you were like everybody get
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: involved in the circle, and they were like, oh yeah,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: we will on our own. And then they all became
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: their own desserts and never gave you an eaten pie.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Well you just over here chicken wing little appetizer, damn.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah girl, using you you a side salad that's mostly lettuce, iceberg, iceberg.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: They didn't have to do you like that.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: So I felt pretty annoyed at myself for joining, because
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I knew that this was bullshit, but I had a
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: couple of women giving me the whole.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Don't you feel you deserve this lecture?
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: And why are you always working so hard for your
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: money while the rest of us are getting it so easily?
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: What is your block to manifestation and abundance?
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Queen not clean.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: If money was this easy to make, we would all
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: be making it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: If it was as easy as getting on Facebook and
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: opening your geometry textbook and becoming a rhombus, we.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Would all do it.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: It's true, you know, if the math ain't math, and
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: there's a reason the math is not mathing.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: After finally resisting for so long, I surrendered. I worked
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: my ass off, had a great circle of women. It
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: was in the position desert very quickly, but like I said,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: everyone had spread out their resources too far. I eventually
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: stopped and bowed out gracefully. And I have no idea
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: what happened to the circle after that. I was there
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: for about six months, leading a one hour phone call
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: once a week. All in all, I wasn't too traumatized,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: but I just thought you would enjoyed this very new
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: age cloaking of a very classic pyramid scheme.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: What happened to the ten K did you give it
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: back to your friend.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Is this a scam? There's scams within this scam.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Clamity clancy.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: You have left out so many pertinent details that I
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: feel like I'm being scammed. We don't know where your
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: friends donate the ten k went to you, to the circle,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: when you started your circle? Did they give you any coins?
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Who was on your what hour phone calls?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: What were you talking about? I have so many questions
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and who's.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: The parent company? Like who like who is the Lula
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Rich of all of this? You know, like who's in
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: charge or who's making the billions off of your ten k?
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I need to know, Yeah, who's the restaurant that's right,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: who's responsible? Because that's why I want to be in
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: this whole scheme. I would like to be the cheesecake factory.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: We know that many as big as hell. Yeah, I
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: mean honestly, there's a lot of just rewording of old scams,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: and you know they just it off. They'd give it
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: a new haircut, and they put it back on Facebook.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: So we all know about that. Guys.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: If it was easy to make money, if it was
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: that easy, everybody would be doing it. Also, if it's
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: that easy to make money. People wouldn't tell you when
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: are people ever like, wow, I'm making money hand over fish?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Would you like some? That's just not how Americans work.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I know a girl who does, like one who's like
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: high up on one of those pyramid schemes, like has
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the white Mercedes and the whole thing, and her Instagram
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: is truly my nightmare, like her talking into her Instagram
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: stories being like, hey guys, here's my list of products
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: for the Manama. And it is terrifying. And even if
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: she's making a billion dollars, I still don't think I
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: could do it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think I would want to. It seems horrible.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: I just can't imagine having to get up every day
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: and turn on my front face and camera and la
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: to the internet for money.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: You have to put makeup on to do it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, and to have to stand in front of my
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: white Mercedes, Like it's just the whole thing.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do my eyebrows for robbery.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: And you're doing it to all your friends, that's the
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: fucked up part. It's like you're getting your friends involved
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: in this scheme so that you can make a little
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: extra money, and then they're getting screwed like it to
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: know right, and.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: These people have to know where you live, and eventually
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: you have to stop being invited to parties and shit.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: I would imagine like, if you're the person peddling the
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: wellness Zoom Call ten thousand dollars circle, people are gonna
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: stop inviting you to their.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Baby showers of shit.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, if it seems too good to be true,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: if it's a shape, honestly andy shape related businesses, don't
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: get involved.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: It's time for my favorite product show.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna regale Tracy with a famous con caper group
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: of criminals. We'll just get our opinions all throughout. I
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: want to make a note up top here. Almost the
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: entirety of this story is drawn from William Brennan's Intelligencer
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: article Worst Roommate Ever, and just a content warning. There
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: is some mentions of physical assault and at one point suicide,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: So I just want to put that up top. But
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: we'll keep it as light as possible. You know, we
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: don't like to get super dark over here. I also
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: watched Worst Roommate Ever on Netflix, which inspired me to
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: hit up our researcher Kaylin and see what we can do.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Up on this as well. Have you heard of first Roommate?
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: I never heard of this.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Such a funny title for what it is, which is
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: just American titles of television shows. Now, because I was
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: I was thinking I was gonna watch and be like, oh,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: they'll be annoying, and I was like.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Murder, Yeah, is this where we're headed? I'm so scared.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I feel like if I don't think I would cause
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: my worst roommate ever. If they like murdered me, I
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: feel like if there has to be a bigger lived with, right,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I feel like that makes them sound annoying When they
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: were like dangerous. Yeah, yeah, it's like, oh my god,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: my room. I used to get all my nerves. They
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: murder me like a little serious, a little more serious
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: than we're making it out Netflix. Uh and also William
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: but okay. So to those who first met him, Jamison
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Bachmann was an intelligent, educated, and charming potential tenant. However,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: as soon as the first rent shake was cashed, he
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: would embark on a reign of terror against his victims,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: with an ultimate goal of taking their homes.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: From underneath them.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Oh god, have you ever lived with a roommate that
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: you didn't know beforehand.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Tracy, Yeah, yes I have. Was it like in college
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: or it was right after college. I got an apartment
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: with two friends, and then it was right after college,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: so we were all constantly like doing things, moving out,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: moving back in, and so we had like an apartment
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: of musical chairs, and so there were sometimes people who
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: moved in it we did not know, but like they
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: would be connected to someone somehow. I don't think they
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: ever had any Craigslist type people.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: It was like a Facebook situation of like, oh, this
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: friend knows this person exactly.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they need a place to.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Live absolutely, And that's one of the things that I
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: always like talk about when people speak about living wages
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: in Los Angeles. I'm like, I just want to say
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: this conceptually out loud so everyone can see hear how
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: insane it sounds. People will tell you to go online,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: find a stranger and share a home with them so
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: that you can afford to live in a city. If
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I can't afford to live by myself on the wages
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: that I'm being paid, then it is not a living wage.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: If I have to shock up with strangers, yeah, people
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I do not know in order to.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Survive that I found on the Internet.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: That I found on the inna whips.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like not even people I met at a bar.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, I'm looking for a roommate. I've
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: spent twenty minutes with you, just a complete hello, dear
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: sir Madam.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Right, if I have to go to Craig and his
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: list and I ain't even met Craig.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Nobody Craig, don't know Crag, don't know his list.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: If I have to go over to Crags and find
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: somebody to live with, and that's not a living wage,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: and it's insane that we've normalized that, Well, just get
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: a room, just live with a stranger and hope.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: They don't kill you.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Come on, America, what no, No, I understand having a
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: roommate if we were in a situation where it was like, oh,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: we could get a bigger place, or we could afford
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: more space. But it's an assess city right now with
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the wages that people are being paid as minimum wage,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: and that's not okay.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It's wild that we accept that. So we're talking about
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Jamison Bachman.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: With a name like Jamison, we know he's gonna be
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: up to some shenanigans. So we're starting with Alex Miller.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Alex Miller, then thirty one, first met the serial squatter
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: when she posted a listing on CRID in his list
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: for a new roommate. Her previous roommate had left with
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: little warning and with a part time juice bar salary
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, she was desperate to find someone who would
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: fill the room. Damn, Yeah, she's working at a juice
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: bar in Philly.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Did they like juice and Philly?
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I guess they do enough for Alex to get to
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: get a roommate. Not that much, I guess that much.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Clearly not enough.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: So the man who called her identified himself as Jed Creek.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: That don't even sound like a real name.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: That sounds like one of them names where you look
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: around for stuff that's in your eyeline.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: What's your name? Paper clip? TV screen?
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, So this is we're looking at Jamison
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: right here. He looks to be a tall white man
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: with a full head of hair, which I've said several
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: times on this podcast equals charismatic.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hmm. Yeah.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: So this is Jed Creek.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: He's a lawyer from New York who was in need
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: of a place to stay while he tended to his
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: ailing mother and brother in Philadelphia, So a whole backstory.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Wow, he's got an ailing mother and brother. He's a lawyer,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: but he needs to live with you.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: He's a lawyer in New York City and he needs
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to live with you, Like already does it.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Not up exactly?
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: And guys, we always say this on this podcast, it's
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: too good to be true.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Why is this lawyer man who lives in New York City,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: where the cost of living is definitely higher than Philadelphia
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: need to live with.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: You, Alex? Why with his mother and brother?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially because they're ailing.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: It feels like if he needs attend to that ailments,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: it's probably better that he's like under the same roof.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're not just ailing nine to five, Like
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they're ailing at six o'clock. Like I feel
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: like he needs to be.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: There, Yeah, I feel like he would need to be
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: there for all the ailments. You're right about that, Like
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like you can't clock in on ailments, Like
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I feel like you got to be there around the around.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: The clock, around the clock ailments.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: That's a good point, Like, no, I just tended to
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: ailments from nine to five yeah, and she fall after that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: That's none of my business.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I'll see her in the morning.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Don't roll over like what so?
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: He said he supplemented his income by doing litigation and
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: tutoring students online. Uh so, in addition to doing lawyer
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: lawyer ring, he was also doing litigations and teaching online.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Sure, so he's a lawyer with several side hustles. Yes,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: good time, because you know how you be having.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Free time for side hustles like I'm a lawyer and
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: I also drive for uber like you know, I read
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: the affidavits at the red lights.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: What So?
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: To Alex, he seemed like the perfect solution to her problem,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: and though she was surprised when he offered to move
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: in a meetly with check in hand, she agreed.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And you should not have.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Agreed, Alex, because why now listen, with living situations, things
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: do get desperate. I do understand the time is absolutely
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: of the essence when moving, But why is this person
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: not wanting to assess who you are? Why is this
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: person also willing to move? Put your always put yourself
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: in the shoes of the opposite person as well? What
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: are they getting out of it? And if you can't
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: think of something that they're getting out of it. The
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: chances are that they're getting over on.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: You, on you.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm never I've never went and looked at
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: a place or met somebody on Craigslist and was like great,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: check in hand.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like I at least I am
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: like I'd like to come back to the neighborhood at
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: night and see if it feels safe, you know, like
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm like, I need six days to sleep on this,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: at least like I could. I couldn't possibly make a
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: decision and have actual money on me available ready to go,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: unless it's the application fee. Otherwise I need to come back.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Love to see how the sun hits the windows at
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the east, you know, like I need to get a
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: vibe check.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I need a vibe check.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I definitely want to check and see if you have
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: mail that's going to the corresponding address with your name
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: on it. I need to make sure you're not scamming me.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I'm most certainly not showing up with my check from
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Wells and the Fargo like kiddie app let's move in.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: So when he showed up later that.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Night, okay, I'm so scared.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: He brought only tupperware bins and his dog as well
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: as a cat he had not previously mentioned. So he
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: showed up to the crib with some bands and an
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: extra animal. So many flags get you about for a bed,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: he dumped a heap of comforters on the floor. Now,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: remember this man practices the law. He's here to visit
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: all of his ailing relatives.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: He's here taking care of others. So he only has
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a comforter for his bad because he's selfless lacy.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: He has no bed though.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Because he has given everything to his loved ones and
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: all he has is a simple comforter.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Now, when I watched Netflix documentary, Alex was there giving
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: her accounts and she said that she asked about the
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: palette that he put on the floor, and he said,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: it's more comfortable to sleep this way. I just feel like,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: if you can't afford a bed, you can't afford rent. Now,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: there are circumstances were when people first move into a
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: place wherebe they have an air mattress, so they're building up.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: But I just feel like I'm not gonna let anybody
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: move in with me who doesn't have a bait.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I kind of want to know how much rent?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Was I do too?
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Like was he paying?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Like did he write her check for like sixteen oh boom,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: eight hundred dollars?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Eight hundred dollars.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: So they're sharing a place, so let's say sixteen hundred
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: dollars for two bedroom. Feels like maybe he could do
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: seven hundred dollars and invest in a bed low payment plan.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I just I'm confused. I'm just confused. I mean, I
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: guess you know, we know he's scamming. This makes no sense.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, I feel like, you get a bet
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: on Walmart dot com for definitely like one hundred bucks,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: So I'm not I'm very confusion as to why this
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: man does not own a place to lay his head.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: So the check cleared the next day for the eight
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars, and for the next few days things went well. Then,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: after only eleven days of living together, the arrangement started
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: to decline when Jed, who was really Jamison, refused to
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: pay his half of the utility bills.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: When Alex pressed, he offered to take her to court.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: But what what he offered to take her to court?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Ma'am with your chariot awaits, shall we head down to
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the old superior court.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Yo, I'm driving them direction, I'm outside, I'll wait five
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: minutes for court.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: That's where we're going. After that, I got to start
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the ride.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: What no, I thought you were gonna say? He offered
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: to take her to dinner, and it was a plot
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: twist with court, right, I.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Just feel like, you don't offer to take like that
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: sounds so polite, like what would you like to go
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: to court? No, I'm not paying the bills, but if
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: you would like to go to court, let me know.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I'm offering that. I'm offering legal hands. Would you like
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: to fight legally? And I'm a lawyer, right, so I
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: know all the loss, even the ones that don't tell
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: you about. Like, so definitely intimidating. So after this incident,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: stranger things began to follow. I can't imagine anything stranger
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: than I'm like, hey, the light bilt, the light belt
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: came in and he's like, no, you.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Want to go to court.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: So one evening, Alix discovered that Jed had taken light
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: bulbs from the living room lights to screw into his
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: bedroom lamps. A few days later, she came home to
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: discover all six chairs that the dining table had disappeared.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Only to find them in Jed's room, fashioned into a
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: disk into a.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Bed I should have been a bed.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: She put the chairs together and then laid in between.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Hey, he's laying it between the chairs. That's what I
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: would have imagined too. But he fashioned it into a disc,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: you know, for his lawyer work. You know how disks work,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: which is fascinating to me because it's like, why don't
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: you just come out into the kitchen and work from
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: the table or go to a coffee shop like normal
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: people who don't have disks.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Exactly like the rest of us.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Bob at run.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: So the last straw, which I can't believe all these
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: other straws were the last straw, but okay, six. So
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: the last straw for Alex occurred when Jamison said that
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: he found a cigarette butt in the toilet and then
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: said he would not be paying next month's rents as
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Alex had violated the warranty of habitability. So basically, Jamison
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: is saying, I found a cigarette butt in the toilet.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to be smoking in here. I'm not
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: paying rent.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I can't live in these conditions. My bed and my
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: desk could be ruined.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Right, My bad disk that's also chairs could be he
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: destroyed that are yours? That are yours that stole from you,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: as well as all of my light bulbs. So, with
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: limited options and no idea what to do next, Alex
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: called her mother. When Alex's mother began her own investigation
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: into Jid Creek, they discovered that Jed Creek was in
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: fact Jamison Blackman, and Alex Miller was not his first victim.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: So who is Jameson Blackman? Jameson Blackman came from a
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: nice home in Elkins Park, an older, wealthier neighborhood in Philadelphia.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: His father owned a construction company, his mother stayed at home,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: and his older brother, Henry, was considered the golden child.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Oh so, Jamison grew up in somebody's shadow. So Jamison
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: grew up doted on by parents, but inwardly was fiercely
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: determined to surpass his brother. However, Jamison's life was changed
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: when he witnessed a horrific incident during his freshman year
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: at Tulane University in nineteen seventy five, he witnessed the
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: murder of a friend, Ken Gutsie, at a frat house.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Oh no, So, when Jamison returned home that summer, he
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: was especially paranoid and would go on endless rants about
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: the rising tide of anti Semitism. He spent the summer
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: depressed in distraught, before nearly completely dropping off the map
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: in the fall. During that time, he allegedly went abroad,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: living in Israel and later studying Japanese at the Leiden
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: University in the Netherlands. At the age thirty eight, Jamison
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: completed his bachelor's degree at Georgetown. Seven years later, he
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: completed his doct degree at the University of Miami, where
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: professors called him a remarkably talented student. He failed to
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: legitimize his law career, and then in two thousand and
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: three he failed the bar exam on his first try
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: and never went back.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: So he's never been a lawyer.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: He went to law school, but he didn't become a lawyer.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: He was like adjacent to law. He's in the cul
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: de Sac of law. He lived three doors down from Esquire.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: But well, I think he's Esquire, But I don't think
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: that he's a I think Esquire just means you graduate
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: law school.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you had to like pass the bar
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: and be a lawyer.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't know, I just that's what I thought.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I don't have any frid us. Yeah, where you go.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: So he had the vibes of law.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: He went studied the law and then decided that he
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: was not actually going to become a lawyer. So in
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: the United States, es squire is often shortened and it's
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: a title of courtesy given to a lawyer and commonly
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: appended to their surname.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: So you do have to be a lawyer.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: So you need to pass the bar and yeah, be
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: an agent at the law, which mister Bachman Old Bachman
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: was not. He was familiar with the law. It was
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: his homie. It was like, you know, they had mutuals
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: him in the law, but he was not practicing it.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: So in twenty twelve, Jamison targeted a woman named Melissa Frost,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: claiming to be a New Yorker whose home had been
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: destroyed in Hurricane Sandy. So this is Melissa, okay with
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: these painting Overallsky, Melissa's giving artsy vibes, giving a style icon,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: bab I'm into it. Yeah, Melissa has a roommate. So
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Melissa was overcome with pity and offered him a room
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: because he said Hurricane Sandy washed my things away and
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: I'm in New York and I'm a lawyer, and helped
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: me out. So the problem began slowly, as they normally did.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: He scuffed up the floors, He kicked down doors. That's
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: not a slow problem.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I'm fucker.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: You're kicking down doors. That's a big problem. He clogged
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: the toilets with cat litter. What this man is a menace?
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: God, this is my nightmare. He came with tupperware and
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: an extra cat and he's getting kitty litter in the toilet.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: And you're worried about a cigarette. Butte my guy got
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: a standards.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Couldn't you just be an annoying normal roommate who you know,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: eats somebody's left over so it doesn't wash dishes. Why
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: are you putting little in my toilet and kicking down my.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Doors scratching my floors?
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Also, this is wild.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: So over time he became more aggressive and repeatedly and
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: occasionally violently asserted this is my house now.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Oh no.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: So his ultimate goal was not just to secure rent
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: free rooms, but to start a fight and have his
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: roommates sue him. So not only was he trying to
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: live for free, he was then trying to kick you
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: out of your home.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: But what does he get if you sue him?
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he gets to practice law, He
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: gets to defend himself in the court.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I think when I think that litigation ties up the situation,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: it makes it longer to process. So when you get
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: into litigation with people, then that gives him even more
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: time to squad, even more time to.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Live rent free.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: So while squatting at Melissa's home, he told a reporter,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: I'm happy to have her file and eviction notice. She
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: files the filing fee, and then I piggyback on the
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: filing fee and hit her with a counterclaim. That's just tactics.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: So in practice this rarely worked. When he stepped before
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Judge Marvin Williams in Philadelphia to occluse Melissa or accused
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Melissa Frost of destroying his property, Judge Williams told him,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I find you to be totally incredible. I don't believe
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: a word you say. And Frankly, you're frightening. I love this, Judge.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Frankly or frightening.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: He's like, your vibes are bad. You have the face
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: of a liar, and I'm scared of you.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm auditioning to be the next judge. Judy, right,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: you're frightening.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: And then the judge throws a drink from the bench.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Drink sent us, this is not.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Your Judges of Philadelphia.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would watch real Judges of Philadelphia and a heartbeat,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Real Judges of Philia is giving for sure order.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Guilty. I said guilty.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: You may not be guilty, but that outfit is per
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Oh get a judge, Oh my gosh, and that's an order.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, no, I love it.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Case closed beach. Yes, I'm into it. I want this
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: on my television screen.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Same.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: So in such cases, Jamison would disappear before the case
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: reach final judgment, only to move to his next victim.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Jameson wasn't a normal squatter and that he wasn't particularly
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: occupied with the ultimate goal of free rent. Instead, he
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: seemed to target and hang on to his victims out
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: of the pleasure of causing anguish.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: That he what whoa he?
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: So he would take these people on and cause as
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: much misery as possible. His roommates could never do anything
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: to satisfy him, because he wanted nothing from him but
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: the sadistic pleasure of watching them squirm as he displaced them. No, oh,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: this man is a sick o.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: That's really fucking scared.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, because there's literally nothing worse than having an opponent
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: who is chaotic and has no kind of Achilles heel,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: like nothing that they want, nothing that you can use
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: to manipulate or motivate them, because.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Like also think about their friends or their family, Like
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: they call and Melissa's like, mom, what should I do?
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And the mom's like giving her advice like okay, take
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: the high or like okay, we need to take him
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: to court, blah blah blah, and like the whole point
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: is he's just sitting there listening to her cry on
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the phone to her mom, Like nothing that anyone says
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: is going to help, because the whole point is that
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: he's miserable, or that they're miserable.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Like cruelty is the point. He's like, I want to
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: go to court, so me. Yeah, you know, we should
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: have known when he was inviting people to court, offer
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: to go to court with me. He likes to go there. No,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: you don't want somebody who just likes chaos. So the
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: end of his squadding career was like May first, a
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: little over a month from when Jamison moved in to
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Alex's place. By this point, Alex and Susan, who is
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Alex's mother, had been in touch with Melissa Frost, who
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: was one of the previous victims who he was like
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: scuffing up her floors and putting kitty litter in her toilet.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: They found other victims of Jamison's and they had a
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: fuller idea.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Of his past. That night, they held a.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Really wild party Alex described on Facebook as a sendoff
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: for the serial squatter Jamison Bachmann the file so morning,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Alex believed Jamison to had left earlier that night, however,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: he attacked her while she was brushing her teeth oh No,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: leading Alex to being cut with a knife and hiding
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: in her room until police arrived and arrested Jamison. Jamison
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: was charged with aggravated assault and sent to jail, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Alex obtained a protection order. So I just want to
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: say that something that I don't see here is that
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Jamison got away with a lot of this. Because people
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: have squatters' rights, So before you allow somebody to move
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: into your place, you need to vet them because as
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: soon as they start getting mail. Because that was Jamison's
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: big thing that I don't see in these notes is
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: that he would like move in and immediately have Sam
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Goody or Amazon, Kentucky TV, or whoever sending mail to
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: the address so that he could prove that he was
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: a resident. That way, when he stopped paying rent and
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: utilities and started sending out invitations to court, you couldn't
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: just boot him out because technically he lived there, so
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: now he has rights.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Wow. But okay, so here's my question. Are there No,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: there's no protection for the person whose name's on the lease.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Once you let someone in, like so, like you, if
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: your significant other moves in with you and like jumps
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: on your lease and then you guys break up, they
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: can just stay and you can't get them out.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if they jump on your lease especially, but.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: If it's not, if they jump on their lease, no,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: you stay on the lease. But they just jump in,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: like to the apartment.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: If they've been staying there long enough, if they're receiving mail,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: then yeah, they are afforded some protections. You can't just
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: pool people out onto the street, which is why it's
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: dangerous to take on a roommate without doing the proper
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: vetting process, without getting your landlord involved, which I know
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: some people don't want to do, or having them sign
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: onto the lease, because sometimes when you're looking for a roommate,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: you're just like, do you have the money? I don't
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: care if your credit is bad, and maybe their credit
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: is not good enough to get on your lease or
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: the landlord won't let them, and so you need money.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: You need somebody to put them bills.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: So a squatter can claim rights to property after residing
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: there for a certain time. In California, it takes five
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: years of continuous use or maintenance for a squad to
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: make an adverse possession or claim. When a squad claims
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: adverse possession, they can gain ownership of the property legally.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: So basically the squad just reverses it and they claim
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: your property. So it takes time to claim the property,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: but you certainly can get protections for not being able
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: to boot somebody out immediately.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: So did all of these women own their the property
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that he was moving into or were they also? Were
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: they renting?
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Some of them are renchers, some of them were like
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: I believe Alex lived in the place with her former partner.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: The partner moved out, but it was like she had
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: purchased the place, so she was trying to.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Pay a mortgage.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: I see, she wanted it to be her forever home,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: so that's why she was trying to get somebody to
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: help pay that mortgage so that she could continue living there.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: And something else that I don't see here is that
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Alex at one point had a roommate, another roommate, like
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: in addition to Jamison move in and was living in
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: a tent in a living room.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Alex, Alex, you couldn't afford this place, Alex.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: You gotta get your standards up, girl. You could or
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: you could have just sold the spot downgrade or rent
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: in a luxury building in Philly. Get right on that
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Rettenhouse square girl, Like, what are you doing?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Baby girl?
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Alex, you couldn't afford this place if you had to
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: have another person moving, a third person and then.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Without a bed, another person without a bad Alex.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Alex, and this person is a tent in a living room.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: At this point, you you then opened up a halfway house.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: This ain't even your home no more. Like what's going on?
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: And then Jamison like had harassed the person with a tent,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: was going in a little tent messing with their things
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: and stuff to the point where the tent person moved
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: out was like, I'm gonna have to pack it up.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know it's unlivable conditions if the person in
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: the tent in the living room is like, I can't.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Do that, Like, I don't know how you live like this.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: This is horrible.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna be packing up my john dear tent
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: this evening.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I'm out.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how you know it's bad. So a restan trial.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Alex and her mother began cleaning Jamison's room and found
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: the cleaning kit with a gun, a thirty eight caliber pistol.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: It was a cleaning kit but no gun, so they
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: found bullets and a cleaning kit, but not the actual gun,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: curious where the weapon is. On June seventeenth, Harry Jamison's
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: brother bailed him out of jail, and though Alex and
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: the mother continued to search, they still not found the gun.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: A few weeks later, Alex and Jamison met under police
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: to provision to exchange his belongings, but they encounter in
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: it in Jameson, threatening Alex, which led to rearrests. Hey
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: go thread somebody in front of the police. This feels
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: like not a good place. I thought you don't do
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: your threats. Yeah, it's just with the laws company, right,
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Like the law is right there.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Jamison chew for this exact reason.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Right they're here. He was like, I don't care. They
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: can't protect you.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: It's all like you're like at the donut shop and
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: the cops are just hanging out, like right, they're off duty.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, hello, I'm here to mitigate the situation.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: They came to prevent you from doing this, and yeah,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: here you are.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Honestly, this is why when cops never do their fucking job.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: They let him get the thread off.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Right, like hello, y, you're supposed to interrupt the threat.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: They're like, no, we actually can't do the until he
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: finishes the whole three and Neil was stepping Wow, thank
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: you police. So on October twenty eighth, Harry, who is
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Jamison's brother who he was always in the shadow of,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: bailed him out a second time, but did not allow
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: his brother to live with him. He was like, all right,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: I don't bill you out. We're brothers, but like, you
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: cannot come stay with me. You are chaos Chortlotte before
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: seven o'clock November third, Harry had stopped on his way
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: out of town to see Jamison in his driveway. Harry
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: had been scheduled to arrive in upstate New York later
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: that night, but he never made it. Harry's wife, Carolyn
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: called the police, who arrived at Harry's house and discovered
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: that Harry had been murdered by his brother.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: He had been beaten and dragged into the basement.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: That night, police arrested Jamison at a hotel down the road,
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: now he had checked into under his brother's name. Wow
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: sense so Blachmann's preliminary hearing was sent for the morning
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: of December eleventh. That was canceled the morning of as
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: a few days earlier, Jamison Blackman had decided to take
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: his own life at the prison. Alex Miller moved in
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: with her childhood friend and has found a much better
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: living situation since.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Alex, you found a much better living situation than
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: living with a murderer.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Than being called hostage by.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Having a tent in her living room, living with a
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: murderer and being slashed by him. Well, you know what,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that you found your way, and I feel
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: like she probably joined the circle and is doing a
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: lot of wellness Alevens with.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Her girls, Alex, go ahead and manifest those shapes in
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: those squares. Alex, I'm so sorry that you were held
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: hostage by a petty murderer, but this is just a
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: warning what a lot of the victims of Jamison were women.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: I don't recommend if you're a cis gendered woman living
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: with a cis gendered man that you've never met off.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Of there, A trans woman or non binary. Yeah, honestly,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: anyone who's not a cist gender man probably shouldn't live
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: with a cis gender stranger's.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: That's actually what I've If you identify as a woman,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: you should probably not live with a cist gendered man
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: that you found on it or anything. And a cyber
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: scammer of the week US where we highlight an honorary Charlattan.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe we love him, maybe we hate him, we'll see.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Today we're talking about an eighty one year old from Kirkwood, Missouri,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: who was sentenced in court after pleading guilty to helping
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: a Nigerian scam artist with whom she had fallen in
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: love with.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Always he always in love.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Glinda, same oh, Glinda, Glinda the good witch. She was
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: found guilty of two felony counts of identity theft from
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: her participation as a.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Money mule for her boo.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: A money mule is a person who receives fraudulently attained
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: money on behalf of a scammer and then forwards the
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: proceeds to the scammer.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, Glinda, Glinda, you made some bad choices.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Make Glenda got a good haircut and it looks like
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: it's blown out. Like her hair looks shiny. Glinda definitely
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: goes to the hair salon once a week.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Once a week.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Glinda, your grandkids do not call you enough, because how
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: dare they let you get involved in this?
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: It's not cool. How y'all gonna do Granny Glinda like this?
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Y'all are wrong. I blame the grandchildren always.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: It's always the grandchildren's fault.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: She was responsible for up to one point five million
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: fraudulent transactions.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Oh so Glinda was she was that way? Was moving?
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, Glenda, Granny Glinda was out here moving moving the coins.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: As a part of her sentencing deal, Glinda agreed to
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: flim a PSA for the FBI one and the others
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: against becoming the victim of a scam. So Granny Glinda
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: had to get out here.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Like in Thesu a scam. Why you're from?
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Is he?
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Thank God me, Granny Glenda.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: I could keep going on. Yeah, poor Grandy Glinda. She
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: just wanted some love. She just wanted some.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Some She wanted some good deck, right, she just wanted
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: a worldly dickey.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Her old age. Yeah, I hate to see it for her.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: I hate to see this.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: So it.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: She describes how she fell in love with a man
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: over the Internet and then proceeded to it your friend's
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: family and even the f to be in the I
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: who told her to stop sending the man money. Glenda
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: met the man in twenty fourteen, and over the course
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: of almost seven years, he would ask for Glinda's helping,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: paying fees to the Nigerian government or to business associates.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: He couldn't leave Nigeria and claimed he was finally meet
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: his love.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: When all the fees were paid, he said, baby, I will,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I will you pay these fees.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: The dick I'm coming here here, I come like.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Just just pay these last transaction fees to TD Bank.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: Just pay this one point five mil and I'll be there.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: And when I tell you rounds.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all night you're familiar with that old Lionel Ritchie song.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: All night long. That's you and me, Glenn.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, Glenny, I'm gonna take you to the sockop. Glenda,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: you ain't even ready.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's gonna I'll show you a bad witch.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, Glenda, you ain't had dick this good. This coca
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: cola was ten cents.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: And had actual cocaine in it.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Now he was about to give you that nineteen fifties
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: freaking Oh lord. He said, this dick so good it
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: should be illegal. Love it versus Virginia, Yill, I know
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: you remember that. No, no, no, no, wait. Can we
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: see a little bit of this PSA before we go?
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: And I'll put this on the Instagram. I just want
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: to see what granted Glinda was talking about when she
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: was warning the other hot girls in the elderly community.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Let's see here.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, I met the love of my life
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: online and he told me that he was a US
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: citizen and was working in Nigeria.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: He asked me, no, Glinda, Glinda getting now cash forty
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: five bucks?
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Grenda got out forty five hours on the computer.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Glinda, you can't say cash to the computer. Glinda is
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: whipping out hellophones. Oh Glinda, Oh no, y'all, y'all gotta
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: see this video. Everybody was hating all.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Her love over five years.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Five years, Glinda, if you was getting text that were
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: that good, don't be a mule?
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, no in it with hashtag don't be a mule.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to go look at that hashtag as
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: soon as we're done here.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: This is disrespectful, have to be and I didn't have
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: to disrespect you like this hashtag don't be a.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Mule, Okay. I have to say something. As a person
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: who has a lot of beliefs about the funding and
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: defunding of the police, I feel that if I met Glinda,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: she would probably tell me why we need to fund
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: the police so much. But the police come to her
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: and they're like, you're breaking the lawn. She's like, no,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I'm in love. I'm in love. You don't want to
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: listen to the police then, But you want me to
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: listen to the fucking police when I'm out here trying
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: to protest.
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: Right, It's like all of a sudden, the plast is
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: wrong and now Glinda, Glinda textual messages you or spoke.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: You went to court twice. You have not seen this man.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: You are just imagining how fine he is. What kind
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: of poems and limericks was this man sending you that's
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: got you putting forty five dollars next to your computer
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: and fuur five different cell phones that are stolen.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: And what's going on? Where is her Bingo community? Where
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: are her people?
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Like? You don't know anybody you can hang out with
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: who will talk to you or see you. Just companionship
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: like because this is just via text and email exchange, Like,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: what's happening?
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Glinda?
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: I'm also blaming your hairstylists who had great clips is
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: responsible for this because I know you told them about
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: this relationship every week.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: When you was getting your your wash and cut and
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: nobody stopped you.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: My love, my love?
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: What is his name, Glinda? Did he tell you his name? Glinda?
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: What it was?
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Glinda?
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna stand beside you, Glenda.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: This is hilarious, Glinda. We're proud of you for all
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: of you've done, for the way you fought for love
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: through it all, through thinking Ben.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Glinda, I need you to get on Seniors dot com,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Sunrise dot com whatever sialis brand apps they got out
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: there for for the old hot girls who need the
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: cob with dust enough, because I want that for you, Glinda.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: This is this is not going out downside to bed.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: I don't like that for you guys. That brings us
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: to the end of another episode. Tracy, thank you so
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: much for being here. Tracy Podcast, Where do you like
• 59:29
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• 59:31
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• 59:32
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