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Burned By A UFO - The Cash-Landrum UFO Incident · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're into the weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I figured I would start this year off with a UFO incident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We technically already started the year off with your incidents.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're gonna dive right into this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, UFO incident is not a bad way to start the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This one's a famous one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, if you know, you know, if you don't know, you're here to hang out and you're gonna get in the know because that's what we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So today's case is the cash landrum UFO incident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the more famous and controversial UFO-related cases, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel pretty comfortable seeing that kind of in history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's notable not only for the sighting itself, but also for the alleged physical injuries, the medical documentation and a failed lawsuit against the US government.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That followed the encounter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So our case today takes place on December 29th, 1980, around the town of Dayton, Texas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On set evening, two friends, Betty Cash, age 51, and Vicki Landrom, age 57, along with Vicki's grandson Colby, were on their way home to Dayton, Texas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Incaches, 1980, Osmo Bill, cutless.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were out that night, post, Christmas,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Supposed to be doing what two gals do go into play some bingo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's classic move there But they forgot that most of the bingo halls were closed for the holidays So they hit a couple up Think not thinking that it was just post-Christmas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were closed So instead of writing the night off, they decided to go out and get some food They got dinner at a road side truck stop diner
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[SPEAKER_01]: and took off at about nine o'clock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was in the area known as the Piny Woods area, kind of between the towns of New Cani and Huffman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They turned on to an isolated two-lane roads surrounded by dense woods.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Betty out of the corner of her eye noticed a light above some trees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the forest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At first, she thought maybe it was a plane approaching because the Houston International Airport wasn't too far away, about 30, 35 miles, so she was like, I'm probably playing, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing, I would think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I saw a light until I realized it was a UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so is they're driving down this windy two lane road trees on both sides kind of a lot like the roads around here that's what I was picture when I was doing my research minutes later on this road the light returned
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this time, it was no longer in the distance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It loomed near by, and it was infinitely brighter than it was before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As the two women look on, they see the outline of a colossal diamond-shaped object hovering over the treetops and that the base flames were spewing out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's an airplane, that airplane's got some issues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's got some major problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's watching it, it comes off of the trees and it's in front of the, it's, it's over the road in front of them flames just beaten down and as they pull up, they're feeling the heat from whatever propulsion system this is that's keeping this thing afloat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's gotta be like the most primitive alien species out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's used in fire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, but hey, I mean, it's still alien.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's still fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Vicki Landrum is getting worried as anyone should be when encountering a flaming UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She tells Betty to stop the car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the heat is getting so intense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're worried that the car is going to catch fire if they get any closer to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vicki is a born again Christian, so she immediately thought, holy crap, this is the second coming of Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Her grandson in the back is starting to lose his mind because there's a flaming UFO in front of him, Vicki's trying to calm him down by saying, that's just Jesus, he will not hurt us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a fucked up way of looking at the situation in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, the things of giant ass thing in the sky shooting fires Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine mistaken aliens for some sort of religious being.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that's not happening in today's world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Betty said she was, er no, we're mad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They will not hurt us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They get out of the car at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hold up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Betty's said she was super anxious and considered turning the car around to drive away from the UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But she said that the road was too narrow and she was worried
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were just going to burn out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were just going to wait it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did a 180 and then got out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it was the old cutlass or Vin Dieselit and put it in reverse and go ultra fast that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, put it in reverse, Terry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she's just going to sit and wait it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the curiosity got the best of them, which you shouldn't ever do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cash and Landrum got out of the car to examine the object.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Seven-year-old Colby in the back, the one who is obviously the most grounded in what's going on, freaked out and said, Grandma Vicki, get back in the damn car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's the only one that's got his wits about him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so she's like, you know what, that's a good idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna get back in the car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she got back in the car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Betty on the other hand, kind of got so mesmerized by what she was seeing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that she just sit there and stare at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In an interview with Jerome Clark, she said, quote, that she was mesmerized by the bizarre light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Jerome's interview, he went on to say the object, intensely bright was a dull metallic silver color.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was shaped like a huge upright diamond.
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[SPEAKER_01]: about the size of the Dayton water tower, with its top and bottom cut off so that they were flatter as opposed to pointed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Small blue lights ring the center and periodically over the next few minutes, flame shut out the bottom, flaring outward to create the effect of one large cone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every time the fire dissipated, the UFO floated a few feet down toward the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when the flames blasted out again, the object rose back up into the distance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or back up about the same distance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See Betty, Betty reminds me of the, the stripper lady from Independence Day that runs up onto the, with the sign.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with the sign.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's who she reminds me of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm welcome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she was boo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to go into some interview quotes here, which come a little bit later, but it's Betty actually talking about what she was experiencing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So after the encounter, Betty started calling her state representatives, the state represented because it's an interesting choice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Never did Betty think that this was a UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: she was adamant that this was some sort of military technology okay so she contacts the state representative representatives are like hey what are you what did you guys have out here so the state representative point in her toward Bergstrom Air Force base where she went in vicki did to end Colby and got in interviewed by Captain John Camp of the United States Air Force.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So some of these quotes come from that specific interview.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably post the transcripts from the interview to the Patreon for anybody that wants to go through them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll throw those over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Betty says in the interview, real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love how Betty's just like, I'm getting answers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to the state representatives.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now, oh, fuck it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're all packing up and going to military base.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to tell me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What they had flying out there you're gonna know why because she got severe radiation poisoning from the oh shit that sucks Yeah, so she was like she ain't blaming on the UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She ain't blaming on aliens She said I got radiation poisoning and it's from the US government This is your fault.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and she says I'm gonna file a 20 million dollar lawsuit Good for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for her get hers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So get her better you I retract
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[SPEAKER_02]: My previous statement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bad Ask Betty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bad Ask Betty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these quotes here come from the transcript of this interview.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She does with Captain John Camp of the U.S. Air Force.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Betty says, I got out of the car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what my purpose was, unless it was just a normal instinct, instinct to think, well, maybe I'd be safe or outside, then I would be inside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to tell you the truth, we thought it was the end of the world at that point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, I never in my life gone through such a situation, but I knew that there was no way we could go under it because the fire was shooting out from the bottom of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why they didn't plow through it because the fire was so intense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He still could have James bonded badass it and just slap it reverse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, reverse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three and then do the 180 and get out of there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We call that flipping a bitch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, 100% good done that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I understand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand the predicament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When asked what she did while she was out of the car, Betty says, I walked toward the front of the car and the light was so bright and so the heat was so intense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know whether to run to get back in the car or what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just stood there for a few minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: not too long because it was so hot and the light was so bright.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I started to get back in the car and when I did, I had to use the bottom of my leather jacket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I touched the door handle and the door handle was so hot, I couldn't stand it with my bare hands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I got the pocket of my leather jacket and used it to open the corridor and got back in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at this time, fire would shoot out of and then it would let up and it would shoot out again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, it was similar to air brakes or a washing sound.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... she said i had not killed the motor on the car i put it in park the radio was playing on low but then the car completely went dead i mean it was like someone had just flipped a switch and it went off and when the thing began to lift up we were all horrified in fact vicki's the one i guess maybe i would have tried to have gone under it that's how scared i was but she screamed for me to stop and right there when she was screaming
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[SPEAKER_01]: she had put her hands on the dash, and her fingerprints actually melted into the dash of my car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Her fingerprints were embedded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we, I finally got the car started and it was so hot I had to turn the air conditioner on and the order for an order for us to get cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by that time we were all burning up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just, well it was something really, you've just got to experience for me to be able to describe it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They said that the heat was so strong to make the car's metal body painful to the touch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cash said she had to use her coat to protect her hand from the door handle to be able to opening up, so she wouldn't get burned to get back in the car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Vicki touched the dashboard, her hand pressed into the soft and vinyl from the heat, leaving an imprint that was evidence weeks later.
21:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Investigators cited this as proof, and even got video evidence of it in a 1985 HBO documentary called UFOs what's going on.
21:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm curious as to how hot the inside of the car would have to be to leave actual fingerprints
21:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It would have to be hot because vinyl gets hot sitting in the sun, but not to the point where you're going to melt your fingerprints.
21:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
21:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's yeah.
21:54
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be super hot.
21:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
21:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You would almost like it be so hot that they would start getting burns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: from the, from the heat, they, but do they.
22:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
22:07
[SPEAKER_01]: They do.
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know all the keys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She, uh, they said and investigations put in after after they started reporting what happened that the car was 130 feet away from where the craft was and the craft was 60 to 80 feet off the ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say it had to, with that amount of heat coming off of it, it did.
22:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's evidence of all this?
22:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
22:42
[SPEAKER_02]: How the fuck is it controversial at that point?
22:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I do, I do the only thing that I'm kind of vibe in right now, and I don't have all the info.
22:53
[SPEAKER_02]: It does slightly feel military.
22:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It gets way more military.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of, because right now, I'm, I'm definitely vibe in, it could have been a military experiment.
23:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's where it gets real military.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's do this.
23:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They said that the object then ascended over the tree tops and rose higher in the sky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, a group of helicopters approached it, surrounding it in tight formation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cash said that she counted 23 helicopters and Landrum counted 26.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: They later identified some of them as tandem rotor Boeing CH-47 Chinooks used by military forces worldwide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More specifically, cash claimed they had United States Air Force Markings on the side of the helicopters.
23:47
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not surprising because the air force is notoriously involved with UFO situations.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the thing was is that this thing, she said that they almost like escorted it off.
24:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
24:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
24:06
[SPEAKER_01]: As opposed to like trying to interact with it, they were escorting it off.
24:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And that feels weird, and I could see that being a military situation, but I could also see them trying to do that with a UFO.
24:21
[SPEAKER_01]: To protect civilian is sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get that too.
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And Betty's just like such a grandma, like the more I think about it, the more like grandma she is.
24:30
[SPEAKER_01]: She even stated in the interview with John Camp that the heat was so intense that she was legitimately concerned with the military pilots of the helicopters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, they're getting so close to it.
24:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Something bad is gonna happen.
24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: While she's there, blistering alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's worried about the helicopter pilots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The S.K.A.A.R.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Escorded on Escorded, the diamond shape craft away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They even went on.
24:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I talked about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to jump the gun there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hold on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Betty says, quote, yes, they sure did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, they drifted more toward the west or was it the east?
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was the west.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Over toward Crosby and the international airport was over that away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was headed and helicopters were on both sides of it.
25:17
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like they were trying their best to go around the top of it as well.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It was unreal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, even driving down a highway
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[SPEAKER_01]: at the stop sign to turn on to 1960, where we drove to the first national bank in Dayton, which at the time was under construction, and we could still see more helicopters coming in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now whether they were going to help the other crews or what I didn't take the time to find out.
25:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So as the helicopters are escorting it, more choppers are coming in.
25:48
[SPEAKER_02]: That's weird.
25:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:56
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a, that's a big, there's a lot of fucking presents.
25:59
[SPEAKER_01]: 30 helicopters is a lot of manpower and money to just throw out there, like some training exercise.
26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know what to do it, but with the road now clear, cash has to drove on, claiming to see glimpses of the objects and helicopters are seeding into the distance.
26:19
[SPEAKER_01]: from the first sighting of the objects to its departure, they said the encounter lasted between 15 and 17 minutes, which is a pretty good chunk of time.
26:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did not, however, report any missing time.
26:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't necessarily an abduction case, just UFO encounter.
26:40
[SPEAKER_01]: After the trip home, which took about 30 minutes, all three of the witnesses became extremely sick within the next few hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Betty's head neck started to blister and soon her eyes would swell completely shut.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was also terribly nauseated, vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue and soothe, by the next morning she was almost in a coma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy over the next few days cash center symptoms worsened with large painful blisters forming on our skin when taking to a hospital emergency room on January 3rd 1981
27:13
[SPEAKER_01]: cash quote could not walk and had lost large patches of skin and whole clumps from her hair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She even temporarily lost sight in her eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was released after 12 days, though her condition was not much better.
27:27
[SPEAKER_01]: She later returned to the hospital for another 15 days, almost 30 days in the hospital from this 15-minute encounter with the
27:41
[SPEAKER_02]: because you would think that the pilots inside the craft would be absolutely fucked.
27:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know much about it, but when you're experiencing that high of radiation at the time, do you even know that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you feel it low-key or does it just it's just what it just happened in I don't know I don't either I don't know because like at first it I'm sure she was feeling the heat right yeah from the flames But I don't know that She would know about like you would know you were getting radiation poisoning I don't know either It's fucking it's weird though.
28:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it sucks that
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, hammered her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of amazing that she, I assume she bounces back.
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got some pictures here, Kyle.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody else is going to be able to see you.
28:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Of her?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of her hair loss and stuff.
28:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me find it.
28:40
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, I would really like to know it.
28:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Makes this controversial.
28:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Just whole course of her hair fell out.
28:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, like almost the whole side of her head.
28:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:50
[SPEAKER_01]: She got weird places and normally look good and blisters Look at that just handfuls of her hair fall out.
28:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's radiation poisoning 101.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy
29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's my script at?
29:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Here it is.
29:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, 30 days in the hospital in 1985 HBO documentary UFOs what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cash's hair loss was shown in pictures and she claimed Dr. Switch from treating her for burns from heat to treating her for radiation sickness after realizing that she had been exposed to high levels of radiation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Later she was treated for cancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vicki and Colby suffered very similar symptoms, but not as severe as beddies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Colby had problems with his eyes.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Vicki was a losing her hair as well.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: In addition to her, in addition, her scalp was numb and painful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All three of the victims were treated for radiation poisoning and their condition listed by doctors as life threatening.
29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: before long skin-sourced developed, weight loss began, and skin cancer was diagnosed.
29:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that'd be another great thing for Betty.
29:58
[SPEAKER_02]: If Betty was able, I know it would be extremely hard, but if these, these people got radiation poisoning from that far away, you would assume that every single one of them pilots,
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the helicopters were gonna experience radiation poisoning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you would think, other than seeing strictly military doctors and keeping it all extremely tight, there shouldn't theory be evidence out there of these people experiencing high levels of radiation all at the same time.
30:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which in theory, in a court case, you should be able to find that out through like discovery and stuff.
30:41
[SPEAKER_02]: However, you are dealing with covert operations of the government, yeah, good like with that.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in that interview with Captain Camp from Bergman, Betty speaks about her symptoms.
30:56
[SPEAKER_01]: She says, well, the only thing I know is that I was sick within 30 minutes after the time that it happened and I was burning up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, it was just like I'd been blistered all over, and like I'd been laying on a beach, and it happened within 30 minutes after seeing this craft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was feeling fine before, and then all this took place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The next morning I was so sick, I couldn't do anything, and I was craving water.
31:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I was dying of thirst, or at least I thought I was.
31:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt so dehydrated, I couldn't even get out of bed to get myself a glass of water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you have any special sensations in your mouth?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Betty replied, nothing but extreme dryness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where camp starts to say, have you tried, then he goes, okay, and then Betty interrupts him.
31:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was a weird back and forth between the two, where he's like any strange, like almost like he knew what he was dealing with.
31:53
[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
31:54
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't ask that question without having some type of expected answer.
31:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I noticed he was talking about being thirsty, but like the way he put it, any special sensations he was feeling in your mouth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He may not have known precisely, but he was definitely looking for a specific answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he, because he went on to say, have you tried and then he stopped himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was heavy-tried, oh, okay, and then she and her ups with, my lips were swollen, my ears were swollen, about three times their normal size.
32:24
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, my entire body, my family didn't even recognize me.
32:28
[SPEAKER_01]: When they came to the hospital, they told them what room I was in.
32:31
[SPEAKER_01]: They said, had they not known for sure it was me, they wouldn't have recognized me.
32:37
[SPEAKER_01]: The helicopter activity is actually corroborated by a lot of other people in the area.
32:44
[SPEAKER_01]: there would be several other witnesses to the strange craft and or the helicopters that night among them were an off-duty dating police officer and his wife who were driving home from Cleveland the same night and saw a large number of CH-47 shenooks in the sky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we got people back in our up here.
33:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would be better if they would have seen the big diamond craft too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but, you know, verify that these, these helicopters were in the area means that she wasn't wrong.
33:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, tell them the truth, which is not what the military says during the deposition.
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A Crosby Texas man who is directly under the flight path reported seeing a large number of heavy military helicopters flying overhead.
33:33
[SPEAKER_01]: A Dayton Texas oil field worker, Jerry McDonald, saw a large UFO fly directly overhead while he was in his back garden.
33:42
[SPEAKER_01]: He thought it might be a blimp at first, but soon
33:45
[SPEAKER_01]: but soon knew that it was something more sinister.
33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of a diamond shape and had two twin torches that were shooting brilliant blue flames out of the back, he said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He saw I had two bright lights on it and a red light in the center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And another freaky circumstance of luck here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A corroboration of the object would come in 1981.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In April, a CH-47 flew into Dayton for the purpose of a public showing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This allowed local residents to view the machine, both inside and out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Colby spotted the helicopters as it was flying into town and became very upset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vicki took him to the landing site, hopefully to kind of calm his fears shown that there was nothing to be afraid of.
34:30
[SPEAKER_01]: As they reached the Chinook, a long line of locals had already formed, waiting to see the giant machine and how it operated.
34:36
[SPEAKER_01]: When they're turned finally came, Vicki and Colby entered the helicopter.
34:40
[SPEAKER_01]: accompanied by another visitor in addition to Colby, Vicki began to recount her experience in the Piny Woods.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Vicki and the other named witness both claimed that the pilot said that he had been in the air that night of the traumatic sighting.
34:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He was sent to check on a UFO that was in trouble near Huffman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vicki began to discuss her injuries due to the burns and radiation poisoning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Upon hearing her confession, the pilot quickly shut up and then moved him out of the craft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The pilot was later found by the UFO group, visit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would only admit that he knew of the crash lander in case, but refused to admit that he had been in the area at the night of the sighting.
35:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's another little tidbit that's put out there that corroborates, but also doesn't corroborate.
35:27
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.
35:32
[SPEAKER_01]: As for the air origin of the helicopters, local air bases were questioned, but would not admit descending any helicopters out that night.
35:39
[SPEAKER_01]: The only public statement made by military officials came from Fort Hood Press Officer, made your Tony Geyshouser.
35:47
[SPEAKER_01]: In an interview with Corpus Christi Colour newspaper, he stated that no Fort Hood aircraft were in the Houston area that night.
35:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know any other place around here that would have that number of helicopters.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, I don't know what it could be, unless there's a super secret thing going on and I wouldn't necessarily know about it.
36:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So just completely... Just dismisses it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It should be noted that the black top road was so badly damaged from the emissions of the crash that night that it was almost immediately repaired.
36:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, because we, we know road construction is just done lightning fast around here.
36:27
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fucking weird.
36:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Were they repairing the road or were they just doing some mass radiation clean up?
36:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were definitely cleaning up some tracks.
36:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Did I do UFO encounter?
36:37
[SPEAKER_02]: See, I'm still torn between military and UFO like alien.
36:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I could see this being a military experiment and then not realizing the amount of radiation
36:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, almost like he was legitimately wrong place wrong time for everybody.
36:56
[SPEAKER_02]: This was the the initial flight and they were like, oh damn, like, we fucked up.
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, almost like if you play it from the military perspective,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like they took this out to test it and then they were running into some issues that's why it was kept like going toward the ground and lifting itself back up and then going toward the ground and I feel like they were kind of out on that like kind of windy stretch of road where they necessarily didn't anticipate to see anyone.
37:33
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, yeah, this is nine o'clock at night.
37:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Most people are just hanging out.
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's a holiday season.
37:38
[SPEAKER_01]: People are hanging out at home with their relatives and stuff.
37:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So if they get that thing in the air and then start having issues.
37:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go to least populated spot.
37:46
[SPEAKER_01]: We can find.
37:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the two towns of New cany and huffman.
37:51
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not even like official towns on the map.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I can't remember what it's called like un.
37:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember, but they're not even.
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[SPEAKER_01]: actual like towns i think at that point they might be now they're on they're on the google maps because i looked them up but back then they weren't even on the maps on on something there's some word for it but it's it's kind of like probably like a village kind of like what right
38:20
[SPEAKER_01]: so they tore the road up.
38:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Investigators are at a loss to explain the events that happened that night.
38:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Except to say that Betty, Vicki and Colby hadn't countered a craft of undetermined origin or possibly an experimental government craft.
38:36
[SPEAKER_01]: The three unwilling participants of this event sued the U.S. government for medical damages, but during a congressional hearing, the Department of the Army Inspector General denied any military involvement in the case, and disallowed any compensation for the three unwilling participants in the Piny Woods affair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they have to keep it that way.
38:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the second they go, okay.
38:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know if they could, they could, they could have made them sign NDAs.
39:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
39:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
39:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it was a crazy strict gag orders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which would have been the right thing to do, but at the same time, you let that get out that we were essentially admitting to this type of technology or a counter, who that's got some big can of worms.
39:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
39:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So to go a little bit more into the legal actions, according to Wikipedia,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, Cash and Land Room contacted their U.S.
39:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Senators, Lloyd Bintson and John Tower, who suggested the witnesses file a complaint with the Judge Advocate Claims Office at Bergstermare Force Base.
39:45
[SPEAKER_01]: They're the ones that led them to.
39:47
[SPEAKER_01]: the interview at Bergstrom.
39:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
39:49
[SPEAKER_01]: In August 1981, Cashlander and Colby were interviewed at Link to by personnel at Bergstrom Air Force Base, and were told that they should hire a lawyer and seek financial compensation for their injuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were told by the captains at the Air Force Base to hire a lawyer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With attorney Peter Girsten taking the case pro bono, the case wound its way through the U.S. courts for several years, cash and landerms sued the U.S. federal government for $20 million.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It went so far that testimonies of officials from NASA, the United States Air Force, the United States Army, and the United States Navy were all given in these court proceedings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: persuaded by their testimonies and other evidence, which is not mentioned here, that no agency of the U.S. government possess any such UFO, and that no military personnel had operated any of the reported helicopters, a U.S. district court judge dismissed their case on August 21, 1986.
40:51
[SPEAKER_01]: That's wild.
40:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, now you can see how it's controversial because Betty and Vicki said, these helicopters had United States Air Force markings on the side of them.
41:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, no, didn't doubt it.
41:10
[SPEAKER_02]: You're mistaken.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: None of that ever happened.
41:13
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're here just falls out.
41:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those things happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that sucks because she like they went through something not like I wouldn't even use the word traumatic because it like it physically fucked with them yeah like I mean I get it from the military standpoint of denied and I because that you know if they get caught being held accountable for that that's huge ramifications for the future
41:50
[SPEAKER_02]: and possibly the past.
41:53
[SPEAKER_02]: But man, talk about being in the wrong place the wrong time.
41:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate that they, they didn't have to give any explanation for the hot copters.
42:02
[SPEAKER_01]: They just said no.
42:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, therefore, it's like, more ours, the Navy's like, well, weren't ours.
42:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And the army's like, wasn't ours, either.
42:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what to tell you.
42:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Who the fuck else would have 30 Shinno Calacopters?
42:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
42:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the military.
42:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Not me.
42:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Literally it, the military.
42:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have 30 helicopters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess he could have some crazy high corporation, but still you're always gonna lean military.
42:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially with military markings, unless it was something so out of bounds that it was trying to disguise itself as the military.
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[SPEAKER_01]: escorting this thing which has to break infinite amount of laws.
42:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
42:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
42:49
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so weird.
42:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Such a weird case.
42:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It is weird.
42:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And then like, either way, whether it be a top secret program or a interception, I feel like it goes to to lean more to that whenever the captain's
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[SPEAKER_02]: at the base are like, hey, you need to get a lawyer and look into this, because that tells me that these guys, even though they're hiring officials, they're still not in on whatever happened that night, which leads me to think that
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was sometimes a highly classified operation.
43:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
43:27
[SPEAKER_02]: What you know, whichever way that, whichever way the road goes on that, whether it's the experiment or actual encounter, you're talking, you know, the black budget type shit, black programs, or even these captains that had no fucking clue was going on, but they were like, hey, you should definitely, you should definitely get a little ear and go after them on this one.
43:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It probably was some sort of experimental craft that they took out to try and when things started going sideways when I started like almost crashing into the ground, they were, you know, put into a position where they, they like we've got to get out there overall that's where I think I'm leaning to is that it was an experiment that had to been one of their first test flights with it, not knowing the amount of radiation that I was going to dump out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because if they were almost 200 feet away and she still got fucked up that bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That amount of heat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that amount of like, that's pushing out radiation by crazy and unexpected amount.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas those pilots probably fucking died unless they had some type of containment inside the craft to keep the radiation off of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because think about the context of the court case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: all the branches of the military and NASA are saying, these, these weren't ours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These weren't ours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only other option is that it's a UFO.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for them to put out there that a UFO is better than just admitting to having this technology is kind of bonkers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless they're just trying to make these women out to be crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't do that because
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[SPEAKER_01]: How does 250-year-old women just go out for bingo and come down with radiations?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that sucks, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All they want to do is have some Christmas bingo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And instead, they got cancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shitty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a terrible situation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel terrible for them because it really, I mean, illegitimately, wrong place, wrong time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, worst place, wrong time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's absolutely terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the, that's the, I think I feel like woman like Betty, that's what pisses her off more than anything is that they just, they can clearly like shrugged her in the whole situation off like, yeah, you're not even worth the time of day, and I feel like woman like Betty, you ain't fucking round 20 million dollar lawsuit pitch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Betty, Betty, she ain't playing games like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what Betty did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She said you want to know what happened to us, we're not to get you're going to tell them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there was like, that's what's even crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's proof.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's the like all of her medical records, then you have the fingerprints in the dash, the road being fucked up, something happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, something happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the government goes nuts and I'm not our problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little more thing, a couple more things from Wikipedia here to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were, there was some media coverage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The incident received coverage in both the tabloid press and mainstream media in 1981, Landrum appeared on that's incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A popular ABC television program where she was hypnotized in front of a studio audience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Under her hypnosis, she recounted the UFO incident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Landerman Cash both appeared on the 1989 U.S. TV special UFO cover-up live, hosted by Mike Ferrell, where they related their account of the purported UFO encounter in their subsequent medical problems and legal battles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Cash Landerman Movement was also depicted under the Television Program on Solve Mysteries and Sightings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In 2009, Colby appeared on UFO hunters alien fallout.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the deaths of cash in land room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Betty Joyce cash died at age 69 on December 29th, 1998.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly 18 years to the day that she had her encounter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's weird.
47:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It is weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And glad she got 18 more years out of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vicky Landroom died at age 83 on September 12th, 2007.
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[SPEAKER_01]: some subsequent investigations that went on here, including some naysayers and such.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just read this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Landerm Telephone to a number of U.S. government agencies and officials about the encounter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is how set she was on it being military aircraft that she was straight call in the government.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you ask him to ask?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When she telephoned NASA, she was steered toward NASA Aerospace Engineer John Schussler, long-interested UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With some association from civilian UFO research group, move on, Schussler, it's hard to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Schussler began research on the case in later wrote articles and a book on the subject, astronomer Alan Hindry of the Center for UFO Studies, also briefly investigated the
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[SPEAKER_01]: cash, the land-room case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Due to the Shino-Celicopter presence, the witnesses presume that at least one branch of the United States armed forces had witnessed the object, maybe even escorting or pursuing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, investigators could find no evidence linking the helicopters with any branch of the military, which has interesting consequences, considering there may be some like black budget places out here that have the funds to run
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I believe it's possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sure there are two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I would never have thought about it until you said it about them, just some black budget thing, just fake in the markings to aim, blame, in a direction that's not them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's kind of a smart play, really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it stirs up so much shit that like nobody's going to even think to look toward anything but the military, because it's a military marking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In 1982, Lieutenant Colonel George Seran of the Office of Inspector General of the United States Army began the only thorough, formal governmental investigation into the supposed UFO encounter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He could not find any evidence that the helicopters the witnesses claimed to have seen belonged to the U.S. armed forces.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Seran stated that Miss Landrum and Miss Cash were credible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The policeman and his wife who claimed to have seen 12 hot helicopters near the UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and countersite were also credible witnesses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no perception that anyone was trying to exaggerate the truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the people, they say weren't lying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were assuming so they did see multiple helicopters that night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In 1994 UFO skeptics Stewart Campbell suggested that the witnesses may have observed a mirage of the star cannabis, which laid exactly in line with
50:39
[SPEAKER_02]: of course it did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's a mirage that set your car on fire and gives you radiation poisoning, that's some mirage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fucking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what like make would make me so mad as that these people
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[SPEAKER_01]: But since we're on the Dork train, we're going to hear him out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In 1998, journalist and UFO skeptic, Philip J. class found a few reasons to doubt the story of Cash and Landrum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Schussler inspected Betty's car in early 1981 and used a Geiger counter to check for radioactivity, he found none.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Presumably, he also checked for radioactivity when he visited the site of the alleged incident and found no abnormal radiation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Schussler provides no medical data on Betty's health prior to the UFO incident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nor does he provide any medical data on the prior health of Vicky or Colby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's trying to say that they were probably already had radiation poisoning before the UFO that didn't get about any radiation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's something we didn't consider Steve.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The radiation poisoning is extremely common.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially at Bingo Halls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It happens all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These dorks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hate how dismissive it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just how like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like some pompous ass Is like I got this figured out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know what happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they already had radiation poisoning
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[SPEAKER_01]: UFO researcher Kirk Collins details the unsuccessful efforts of the Texas Department of Health's Bureau of Radiation Control to detect any residual radiation and vicinity of the reported incident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He quotes from a 1981 Houston Chronicle article in which Russ Mayer, manager of the state's public health department, Houston says, quote,
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[SPEAKER_01]: If there had been any radioactive contamination in large amounts, someone would still be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: End quote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Chronicle article goes on, quote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, he said certain types of radiations such as ultraviolet light and infrared light and low-energy x-rays might not leave any residual traces at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Other UFO researchers point out that the high-energy ionizing radiation, the kind that can cause damage to human beings such as gamma ray radiation,
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[SPEAKER_01]: or gamma radiation do not include radioactivity in objects and would not have left behind any residual radioactivity in the area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It almost makes you wonder if maybe they were testing out some sort of weapon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could be, which sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just two bowl bingo women and their grandson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes me so bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just wanting to go out, have a good night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have a good night.
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[UNKNOWN]: Have a good night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Skeptical British you have followed what you're in Britain you didn't know what you're talking about Just go on and get Peter Brooksmith writes skeptics have always asked a blunt and fundamental question What was the trio's state of health before the alleged encounter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brooks Smith also wrote to ufologist the case is perhaps the most baffling and frustrating in modern times for what started with solid evidence of a notorious elusive phenomenon petered out in a maze of dead ends denials and perhaps even official deviousness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is infuriating?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that you idiots?
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[SPEAKER_02]: are all asking, oh, you know, Steve, well, what's their, what was their health prior to having radiation poisoning?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They probably had radiation, all of them had radiation poisoning before coming out here, okay?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So happened, the dorks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They all had radiation poisoning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody was radiated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all of them, I mean, it's, it just has to be the logical explanation here, because they went to Mars
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we got another door.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In December 2018, Brian Dunning investigated the case and reported his findings on the Skeptoid podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He found that Caches' doctor's notes, attributed her hair loss to the autoimmune disease Alepecia, Ariata.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That her other symptoms could be caused by illnesses that started before the incident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that Landrim's only documented illness is developing cataracts in one eye.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dunning concludes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I quote,
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[SPEAKER_01]: In my experience, it's completely plausible that cash and land are wrongly, but honestly, place the blame for their health problems and to whatever they saw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even push the truth a bit by trying to get the Air Force to pay for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you believe in your heart that the Air Force did something wrong that harmed you, you don't necessarily feel that it's wrong to exaggerate evidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like seeing the words Air Force on the side of a helicopter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: adding on symptoms to people who didn't have them faking sunburn spots on your arm as long as it's in pursuit of what you believe and adjust settlement in quote like he he makes that statement like it's a common thing he makes a statement like he knows what the fuck he's talking about like people commonly accused the air force of this shit yeah and the you know they don't
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like she sued the Air Force for a medical bills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She sued him for $20 million.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of money.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To you have to be fully, fully invested in what happened to you to go in that heavy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're just trying to make a little money, soon for $50,000 or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Air Force is going to be like, okay, here's your money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, shut up, here's an NDA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: $20 million in 1980 is a lot of million dollars today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I don't know, she was treated at the death of the hospital for radiation poisoning, not for allophesia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he feels like he would be that I got on the same line with a scientist that said, show your good for you back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to in the episode with a quote
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where it's gonna stop because we don't know any more than what they know Texas Monthly says quote to this day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no conclusive explanation of that night's events Bullshit sucks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I call bullshit Kyle knows it melted the fucking road.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did and then in record time They fixed the road.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That never happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It did melt the fucking road melted the fucking road
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine how hot that is?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It has to be crazy hot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you know when it's 110 degrees outside and you get in and you touch your dash, you can't touch it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so hot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But your fingers do not melt into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a pretty good story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got mad, I got mad respect for Betty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That ain't gonna be a shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She'll give a fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 10 toes down so pay me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You gave me you gave me cancer pay me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah tip of the hat It's a betty RIP betty RIP Vicky M betty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah To anybody who's in the helicopter is anybody who's in that UFO do better if it's aliens do better if it's military do better if it's Some black budget program do better It's not picking on old ladies true Unacceptable
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[SPEAKER_01]: anybody listen and lives in the area and it kind of hears things down around the use Houston airport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This up, let us know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's know if you got some more insight on the scenario today, and on that note, thanks for hanging out with us today, Holocult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's to a rock in 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate you all, we love you all, let's keep going to Holocult, we've got to keep me in a festin' it, it's going to be our year, I can see it, smell it, it's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, tell me me again, stay safe, stay weird, and if you encounter a UFO, that gives you cancer, sue the fuck out of the government.