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Walking The Path Of The God Who Tests (feat. Samuel D. Bartlett) [RHR S7, EP04] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  and see if it fits you. But now that we've got all that
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  stuff out of the way, I'm very excited to welcome in a new
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  guest to the show this week. And this is one of the few
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  guests who I've had from clear the other side of the world.
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  We've got Sam Bartlett checking in from the Sydney, Australia
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  area. So welcome to the show Sam.
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  Thanks for being here. Great to be here, Jesse.
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  Thanks for having me. It's my pleasure, man.
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  You're the, I think the, I'm trying to think now, you're
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  probably the second Australian that I can recall who's appeared
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  on the show. I had a gentleman come on the
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  show 1 time years ago and I don't remember where in
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  Australia he is, but he's also into like Norse paganism and,
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  and into more of like the shamanic animistic healing
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  aspects of things. That's his, that's his gig, I
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  guess you could call it. But yeah, it's always, it's
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  always a pleasure to get people internationally that want to
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  come on the show and and talk about their experiences.
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  So you're in the middle of your summer.
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  We were talking about this offline where as I was saying
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  before, for those of us here in the United States, this is in
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  the middle of our winter. So, and it's also, you know,
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  for, for folks that listen or watch, you know, while I'm
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  talking to Sam right now, it's it's Saturday night for me, but
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  Sam is coming to, to me from the future.
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  It's it's it's what is it Sunday morning for you?
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  Sunday morning. Oh, actually, actually Sunday
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  afternoon. It's 11 minutes past noon. 11
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  minutes past noon. OK, all right, that's crazy for
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  me to think like, you know, not just another country, but it's
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  it's a whole whole other day. So very cool, man.
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  All right, dude. Well, like I said, pleasure to
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  have you here. Pleasure to have an Australian
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  represented on the show. So I don't know a whole lot
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  about, you know, we've had some emails going back and forth a
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  bit. I've, I've checked out some of
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  the, the links that you've sent me with your, your social media,
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  mainly Facebook, I think, but you've also got some other
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  things out here going on. So give me a background or give
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  us, all of us here actually the listeners and the viewers, a
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  background of, you know, kind of who you are and what what it is
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  that you're doing in your part of Midgard.
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  Happy to do that. Yeah.
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  So it's always difficult when someone asks me that question
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  because I've just got so many avenues where I pull the work
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  that I'm doing from now. And I suppose I'll start with my
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  background here in this country. I grew up, I was born and, and
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  grew up in a place called Gunnedah, which is northern NSW
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  and NSW is, is for people who aren't aware, your listeners.
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  It's probably the largest or the most populous state in
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  Australia. And that's a small country town.
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  There's around 10,000 people. So I grew up there and it's on
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  Aboriginal land called the Camillaroy tribe and I grew up
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  in country NSW. So I moved around a little bit.
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  My father moved lots of jobs. He worked for a local council
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  and we moved around a little bit as a child, so I had, you know,
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  various places. I lived in country NSW and then
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  after I finished school I moved to a place called Newcastle,
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  which is on the coast of NSW just north of Sydney, probably
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  about two hours, 2 1/2 hours north of Sydney and started
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  university there, did a communications degree and then,
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  you know, worked various jobs. Started, started my first job as
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  a journalist actually for a country paper out in a place
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  called Orange, which is about 3 hours West of Sydney.
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  And then moved around a little bit with that, that role.
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  And then I was headhunted by a politician and went into
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  politics. Yeah, I went into politics
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  working as a media advisor for a politician.
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  And then for about probably nearly 20 years, I was in
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  politics, working in various roles in government.
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  I actually ended up working for the Deputy Prime Minister in
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  this country at one stage. And everyone in this country
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  knows who he is. I won't name him, but people
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  over there would never have heard of him.
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  And but he was quite, quite a popular politician.
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  And he's been in the news over here quite a lot recently.
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  But that that sort of worked. It's never fulfilled me.
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  There was just something off about it.
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  It's just felt wrong and the people I dealt with really
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  didn't align with my values in politics.
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  It's a dirty game, you know, you see a lot of what goes on in
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  American politics, particularly at the moment.
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  It's there's a lot going on. And I just wanted more from
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  life, really. And I went through the spiritual
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  awakening, so to speak, and went through a few different, I
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  suppose, systems and systems of belief.
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  I looked into Gnosticism. I looked into the Kabbalistic
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  stuff, Rosarucionism and various things that I practiced just
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  never felt right and never really aligned.
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  Like while there was a lot of interesting things that I
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  learned, it just never, you know, it never sat right in my
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  body. It just didn't feel like it was
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  me. And then my father did a
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  genealogy and discovered that our family was originated.
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  The name surname originated from Normandy and as probably a lot
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  of your listeners would know, Normandy was settled by the
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  Norse, the Northman. And one of my relatives was a
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  general or a knight, one of the one of the the commanders in the
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  army for William the Conqueror that invaded England in 1066 and
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  his family, well, my family settled lands in Sussex in the
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  Sussex area. I think that's in southern
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  England. Yep, Yep.
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  That's still in the family's hands to this day.
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  And sort of that that started the journey to me to find out
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  more about my blood and MyHeritage.
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  And then I did a journey on. A lot of your listeners probably
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  would have heard of ayahuasca, which is a lot of people don't
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  know what that is. Yes, mother.
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  Ayahuasca, Yeah. Yes, and I went on a fairly deep
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  journey with that and I discovered it, went even further
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  back and discovered an ancestor that was a Viking explorer or a
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  Norse explorer that actually went to North America.
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  And I was deep in that journey with him.
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  And there was also some connections made with Native
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  American tribes there. So I do have a Native American
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  connection as well. And that's too which I've
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  discovered since the Lakotan people, which is a from what
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  I've studied, is an off offshoot of the Sioux Indian tribes.
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  Yep. Yeah, and that just prompted me
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  to look deeper into Norse Paganism.
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  And then the rooms actually started to make themselves
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  known. I started when I started looking
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  into MyHeritage and looking into all of these spiritual
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  practices. Various things started to awaken
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  my psychic powers, just various shamanistic powers and so on.
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  And the more I delve into those, the more I found that Norse
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  Paganism and Heathenry was it just felt right.
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  It connected with my DNA and connected with my blood.
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  It just really brought me to life.
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  And when I started using the runes, I found that instead of
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  tarot, which I'd started to use, I just picked them up really
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  quickly. It just felt right.
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  And the more I use them, the more I picked up.
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  And I was, I was amazed at how natural they felt and how alive
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  I felt when I was using them. And then of course, it just kept
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  getting deeper and deeper and deeper my connection to the
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  runes. And then of course, the gods
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  started to show themselves. And with the first one, it
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  wasn't actually Odin, it was Freya.
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  I connected with her in, in nature.
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  I just went out on a walk in nature and I was sitting near a
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  river and she, she came to me and started speaking.
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  And she's actually appeared to my daughter as well and
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  connected with her. But then that started the
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  journey with the gods. And Odin came through to me.
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  And yeah, this is sort of that's led me to where I am now.
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  I've had a deep connection with a lot of the gods.
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  Odin's probably the strongest, but I have a relationship with
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  him. He's, I would consider him a
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  friend and a mentor and a guide rather than a God that you know,
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  you sit down and worship. That's unlike as you would know
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  and other people who practice Norse paganism would know.
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  It's not not about worship. It's about working with the gods
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  and allowing them to come into your life to challenge you and
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  to help you grow. It's not like you know,
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  Christians who believe a lot in, you know, worship and and giving
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  your life over to whatever God they worship.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  And so if does that give you a a a sense of where I am now and I
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  was. Yeah, yeah, that's a, that's a,
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  that's quite a, that's quite a detailed and yeah, you had
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  quite, quite the journey to get to where you are.
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  So how many years does this span would you say from when you
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  arrived at the discovery of your European ancestors and, and, and
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  where you are now? Like how many years have passed
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  since that time? Well, it's, yeah, it's been a
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  very short time, I would say only three or four years where
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  all of this is happening. Yeah.
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  And like I said, everything just happened and activated very
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  quickly. And what I would say about that
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  is I didn't learn anything new. I just remembered all of these
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  things just just sort of clicked and clicked into place.
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  And yeah, it, a lot of people are very surprised when I say
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  that it's, it's been, you know, a recent discovery.
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  I don't know. I lose track of time so I'd have
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  to look at a year I suppose. Yeah, time's not real.
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  Anyway, it's just a. Oh, no.
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  But it's no more than five years that all of this has started to
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  happen. And yeah, I think just before
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  COVID is when the spiritual sort of switch just went off in
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  inside. And then I started looking
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  deeper into things, and that's led me to here.
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  Yeah. Fascinating.
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  I always love to hear people's origins, you know, origin
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  stories, if you will, because we see like we as many people as
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  I've talked to, you know, I hear a lot of common themes or a lot
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  of common. Yeah, probably one of the most
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  common ones. And a little bit of my story is,
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  is, is that as well Is, is that, you know, things weren't feeling
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  right. I was raised Christian, you
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  know, and then I, you know, Vikings, the TV show was a big
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  blip on the map for people to they saw that.
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  And then for some right it, there was this insurgency of, of
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  I'm a Viking or I'm, you know, my Norse ancestor was, you know,
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  Ragnar Lothbrok and all this nonsense.
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  But but it did it put like a focus for people to to explore
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  their their ancestry, to connect with their ancestors more.
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  And that's what, you know, a lot of what Heathenry is, is our
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  connection to our ancestors. So the gods are part of that
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  because that's, that was their, that was their belief.
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  That was their, that's what they were, where their worldview was,
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  was framed around how they perceived everything around
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  them, the land, their connection with it.
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  The gods were, were part of that.
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  And so it's an ancestral thing. So I'm always keen on hearing
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  about, you know, when people find paganism in the Northern
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  European paganism, whether it's dramatic or Scandinavian, it's
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  always really cool to hear when that part comes out where they
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  like I discovered this thing about my ancestors, you know,
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  and, and it's very cool, man. Thank you for, thank you for
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  sharing that. So, yeah, you, you, you're in
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  Australia, which, you know, they have their own native or
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  indigenous people as well. So you're, you know, you're,
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  you're practicing something of a, of a, of a belief that is not
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  native to the land, but it's integrated into the landscape.
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  I'm sure there's a lot of things that I'm, you know, you know,
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  even in the short time that you've gotten into this, I'm
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  sure that there's syncretism that you, that you would say
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  exists, right? Would you, do you have anything
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  that comes to mind that you've seen or experienced locally or
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  regionally that were indigenous perhaps that you've found
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  similarities with or there's a nuance to or anything like that
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  about, you know, native Australian or Aboriginal
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  practices or anything that you've been exposed to that in
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  compares to the Norse or dramatic side of things?
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  Yeah, absolutely. The the spirits of this land are
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  very strong and they're still present and I've connected with
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  them on a number of occasions. One thing that I try and
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  remember, I forget a lot of the time, but when I'm entering a
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  new piece of land or a new area, I'll ask the local land spirits
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  for entry for permission to enter.
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  And I've been denied entry in some places where I haven't
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  shown the proper respect to the land.
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  And not, not in not intentionally, but I've been
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  reminded that I need to ask permission to enter that land.
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  I remember I was walking through an area of the Blue Mountains
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  which is just nearby here. I did live up there for a while
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  until recently, and I was being LED along this path by a pair of
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  black cockatoos, which are native birds that that you would
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  have seen the the the the most popular breed of that bird is
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  called the Sulphur Crested Cockatoo.
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  It's. Yeah, the big white ones and the
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  all sassy. One yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  They, you see them a lot on YouTube and things, you know,
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  swearing at people. Right.
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  Yeah, yeah, Cheeky lot of them. Yeah, there's a lot of them
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  around here. One bit me not long ago when I
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  tried to pat it. But anyway, there there's a, a
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  breed called the black Cockatoo and they're, they're a little
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  bit shyer. There's not as many of them
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  around, but you do see them a lot in this area.
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  And I've connected with them and they're, they're my local spirit
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  guide, my local animal spirit guide.
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  And they always hang around in pairs, a male and a female.
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  And I was just walking on this path.
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  I'd never been before. And these cockatoos just landed
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  just nearby. And I stopped and paid attention
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  because I didn't know where I was going.
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  I just thought, I've got to walk.
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  I've just got to walk, walk, walk.
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  I was guided to go out there and walk.
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  And I stopped and I just said, OK, well, where do I have to go?
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  Said to this cockatoo. And it just flew off down the
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  path. And I just followed it and kept
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  following it. And then I was guided to go to
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  this space that I was the only one there.
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  I didn't see anyone else. I actually know I saw one jogger
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  come past me. But when I was in this area,
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  there was no one around. And that's very unusual for this
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  type of for for this area at this time of the year because it
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  was last summer. And I just learned that you need
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  to actually ask permission to enter the land.
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  And as I was walking into this new spot that these cockatoos
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  guided me to this little, it was only about that big.
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  It was like a little butterfly. I don't know what kind of
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  butterfly it was, but it landed on the path in front of me and
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  started flapping its wings like angrily.
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  I could feel the anger from this thing.
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  And so. Oh, OK, I better stop and pay
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  attention. And then I asked for permission
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  to enter the land and I just flew off down the path and I
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  took that as permission to enter the land.
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  And that's, that's a sort of a good example of how the local
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  land spirits are still present. And if you have awareness and
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  show respect and they work with you.
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  And that the reason I went to that area, that's when I
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  discovered and became deeply entrenched with Nordic animism,
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  because a lot of things have just unfolded on my path as I've
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  gone along. And that was my introduction to
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  Norse animism and connecting with various things.
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  You know, everything in the environment, according to Norse
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  animism has a spirit, even the stones.
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  That's, that's a lot of the, the, your listeners and you'll
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  be aware the stones, the sticks. And I just sat down in this
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  place and I just connected with the land and everything that was
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  in that area, the stones, the sticks, the trees, and I could
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  literally feel the spirit of everything in that particular
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  area of land. And I'm going to hold an event
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  there one day just to introduce local people into Nordic
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  animism, but also bring in some local Aboriginal elements.
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  And ever since then, ever since that particular moment, I've
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  connected very well with Aboriginal people.
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  They always talk to me. They can feel that energy, even
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  though they may know, may not know what it is they are.
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  What I'm getting is that they can sense that I've got a
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  respect and a connection to the land and not many other people
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  in this land have, because I had this particular experience and
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  there's been many others since where I walk into the land.
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  I went to an event up in Queensland which is, you know,
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  from here it's about 900 kilometres and that'll be right
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  about 6-7 hundred miles I think. Yeah, yeah, it's a good trek,
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's a long way away.
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  And because I asked for permission to enter that land
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  before I went in, I made sure I did after that experience.
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  Then I had a very special experience in that land and and
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  then the Nordic gods were present.
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  Thor was particularly present at that event.
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  It was a met event that I attended for that someone else
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  ran and a lot of the other men felt Thor's presence and the
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  other God's presence when we were in that particular event on
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  that land because of what I brought in and what I did.
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  So that's just one example of how connecting with, you know,
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  the local land spirits and, and the local people has helped me
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  on on my journey because there's a lot of parallels between
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  aboriginal traditional beliefs and Nordic beliefs.
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  So that I've discovered just since I've tapped into my own
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  heritage and they're compatible. They're not, you know, not of
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  the same land, but there's, you'll find that there's a lot
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  of beliefs and practices that are very similar.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's the spirit of it, right?
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  Yeah, so that's one example. That's beautiful, man.
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  I'm, I had a very similar experience recently as well.
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  I talked about it on last week's episode where I was hiking in a
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  very populated area. I mean, where I live in the city
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  is they got like a, you know what a Greenway system is?
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  It's like public land, but you know, it's nature.
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  You know, we, I live right near a river and the Greenway winds
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  through the city. Some places are a bit more
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  remote than others and other places code through like city
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  parks. So anyway, I was on like a 10
• 21:44
  mile long stretch and I about halfway through that 10 miles, I
• 21:50
  was walking along of right outside of a nearby City Park
• 21:54
  and there was the remains of a deer's carcass on the side of
• 21:59
  the, of the Greenway path. And again, like it was, it was
• 22:02
  right out there in plain sight, but it was a, a male buck, you
• 22:05
  know, so he had his antlers on it still.
• 22:08
  The skull was mostly gone, but it was, you know, the skull cap
• 22:12
  was intact. And I, I saw this and I said,
• 22:17
  wow, you know what, what an amazing thing for me to find in
• 22:20
  such a populated area. Anybody else could have seen it,
• 22:23
  grabbed it, but they didn't. And you know, I, I, I, like I
• 22:29
  said out loud, thank you. And then I, I, I took the, the
• 22:32
  skull part with the antlers on it, but I didn't first leave a
• 22:36
  gift. I didn't give anything of a
• 22:38
  physical nature of a gift. I just said thank you and walked
• 22:41
  on. Now, it wasn't intentional to be
• 22:44
  mindless in this way. I was just on this.
• 22:47
  I was in, I was like focused on the walk more than anything.
• 22:50
  It was a very specific purpose driven walk.
• 22:53
  And by the end of it all, though, my feet were killing me.
• 22:56
  I come home, I've got blood blisters on my feet and I'm
• 23:00
  like, well, they got their, they got theirs.
• 23:04
  You know, the, the land took what was rightfully theirs from
• 23:08
  me because I didn't give to them first before taking the you know
• 23:12
  what I mean? So there's those things when
• 23:14
  you're connected in that way that when you were talking about
• 23:17
  the little butterfly that was, you know, to anybody else that
• 23:22
  is not connected into the land and, and, and in tune with these
• 23:25
  things would have ignored that, that sign, you know, or wouldn't
• 23:28
  have meant anything to them. But it's really neat to hear you
• 23:32
  say that, you know, you were present enough to listen and you
• 23:38
  know what I mean? And, and to take heed to those
• 23:40
  to those things. That's beautiful.
• 23:43
  Thank you for for sharing that. Yeah, no worries.
• 23:47
  So yeah, let's go into some of the, so we know a lot about your
• 23:51
  background now. We know that you're into the
• 23:54
  very animistic beliefs, but more into the mystical side of
• 24:01
  things. I was going over some of your
• 24:05
  emails that you had sent me and I'm on your, I think I'm on your
• 24:07
  e-mail list with some updates of, of things that you have
• 24:09
  coming up. You have somewhat of a social
• 24:12
  presence or social media presence at least, wherein you
• 24:15
  talk a lot about the runes. So let's talk a little bit about
• 24:22
  or let's go into, you know, what it's been like for you to
• 24:28
  discover the runes, work with the runes and how that kind of
• 24:35
  ties into your whole living experience as a, as a
• 24:40
  practicing, you know, I guess you could call yourself Norse
• 24:44
  Pagan. I don't know if you have the
• 24:45
  label or if you adopt the label or you don't.
• 24:48
  Some people do, some people don't.
• 24:49
  But yeah, let's, let's let's talk about that.
• 24:50
  Like how? What was that introduction like
• 24:53
  for you into the runes initially?
• 24:57
  Yeah, well, as I touched on in the introduction on my
• 25:00
  background, the runes were probably the first thing that
• 25:04
  made themselves known. And I'll tell you, I'll go a bit
• 25:07
  deeper into the background on how they appeared.
• 25:10
  So I used to see them as a child.
• 25:12
  I used to draw them, I'd draw them on my school book.
• 25:15
  So I'd carve them into the school desks, I'd write them on
• 25:18
  walls. They're probably all over
• 25:21
  country NSW where I grew up on, on walls and things, if they
• 25:24
  haven't been removed by now. But I just remember seeing them
• 25:29
  and drawing them and I didn't know, I had no idea what they
• 25:31
  were. I just thought, you know, they,
• 25:32
  a lot of them looked like the, the, the Latin alphabet now.
• 25:37
  And yeah, so I started seeing them as a child and then it
• 25:42
  wasn't until later in life that I decided to look into them, as
• 25:45
  I explained before. But yeah, it just seems that
• 25:51
  they've been the gateway to everything else that I've
• 25:54
  discovered or rediscovered about Norse paganism and myself as a
• 25:59
  person and as a practitioner in these ways and and promoter of
• 26:03
  these ways. I like talking about the ruins
• 26:05
  because they are a gateway into Norse paganism and deeper
• 26:10
  practice and many other things as well.
• 26:12
  So my journey into the ruins began with reading a book by a
• 26:18
  guy named Richard Lister and he's a practicing Norse Pagan.
• 26:22
  He's in the UK, but he's, he has ancestry from Scandinavia and he
• 26:28
  wrote this book called Ruins Made Easy.
• 26:31
  And it sounds like a bit of a gimmicky book, but it's actually
• 26:34
  quite, quite good and quite detailed in how you actually use
• 26:37
  the runes first for divination and guidance, but also using
• 26:41
  bind runes and, and other practices to begin your, your,
• 26:46
  your runic practice. And that's where I started
• 26:50
  really deeply working with the runes and, and looking at those
• 26:54
  as forms of magic basically, and divination and guidance.
• 27:00
  And then I started doing readings, free readings for
• 27:05
  friends and, and family who who wanted to do them because I knew
• 27:08
  that this was the path for me. I knew that I had to offer my
• 27:12
  services to mankind really through the ruins because I felt
• 27:16
  such an activation when I started to use them.
• 27:20
  And it wasn't until further along in my journey that I
• 27:24
  started finding out why these ruins became into my life and
• 27:30
  how. So one of one of the practices
• 27:33
  that I do, and it's not Norse paganism based.
• 27:35
  I, I draw it from a lot of different, different sources as
• 27:38
  well because as Odin says, which I've heard, knowledge knows no
• 27:42
  borders and is spoken in many tongues.
• 27:46
  So I still started this practice that I still use with people
• 27:49
  now. It's called the compassion key.
• 27:52
  And it was a practice that I learned from a guy who's in the
• 27:55
  States, his name's Edward Mannix.
• 27:57
  And what it involves is healing people by regressing them to the
• 28:02
  inner child and identifying traumas that were introduced in
• 28:06
  childhood and using particular language and practices and
• 28:12
  techniques to bring out that wound or that trauma or whatever
• 28:17
  it may be, and healing it in a certain way.
• 28:20
  So I started doing that for myself and for other people.
• 28:24
  And what I discovered was that when I started regressing myself
• 28:29
  to my inner child, I started unlocking all these memories and
• 28:32
  I started going back very, very far back into my childhood.
• 28:36
  I, I actually went back into my body as I was being born.
• 28:41
  I had quite a traumatic birth. I had some difficulties and some
• 28:44
  complications when I was born and I had to get taken from the
• 28:48
  hospital in Gunadar, NSW and flying to Sydney which is around
• 28:53
  A4450 kilometre trip. So they put me straight on a
• 28:57
  plane, took me to Sydney and I was there for 9 days by myself.
• 29:01
  Anyway I remember being born and remember being in pain and all
• 29:05
  of this kind of stuff and being afraid because I didn't know
• 29:07
  where I was and I was alone. Anyway, another incident where I
• 29:13
  took my, another experience where I took myself back to my
• 29:17
  inner child. I remember sitting with myself
• 29:18
  just working through some trauma that I'd experienced as a child.
• 29:22
  And I during this practice, you can you actually learn to stick
• 29:26
  with yourself as a, as an inner, as, as a child and speak to them
• 29:30
  and remove these wounds and traumas and so on.
• 29:34
  It's quite a deep and, and profound practice when you learn
• 29:37
  to do it well. And then what I discovered was I
• 29:43
  was talking to myself in a playground and I drew the rune
• 29:47
  Yi was, which represents the Yew Tree and energy on the ground in
• 29:51
  the in the sand on this playground.
• 29:54
  And my inner child said to myself, what's that?
• 29:57
  And I said, it's a rune. You can Start learning to use
• 30:00
  them now. And what I discovered, and this
• 30:03
  sounds pretty out there, that I'd actually introduced myself
• 30:06
  to the runes through that practice because you actually go
• 30:09
  back in time and are able to, through this process, are able
• 30:13
  to talk to yourself and change the past by removing these
• 30:16
  traumas and introducing new practices to that job.
• 30:20
  And Yiwaz is one of is probably the most powerful ruin to use to
• 30:24
  do that because it actually bridges through Igdrisil back
• 30:29
  through space. Because as you know, time is,
• 30:32
  like you mentioned earlier, time's an illusion anyway,
• 30:35
  right? And, and Yiwas is, and all the
• 30:38
  runes in general are 1/4 dimensional symbols that can
• 30:42
  bridge space and time. They're not limited by the 3D
• 30:46
  realm that we are. So I used Yiwas to bridge that
• 30:51
  gap between now and the time, as I was when I found myself as a
• 30:57
  child and introduced the runes to myself.
• 31:01
  So yeah, it sounds pretty out there, but that's what it was.
• 31:05
  And there's a lot of Hollywood movies that touch on this kind
• 31:08
  of theme. Like, I don't know if you've
• 31:09
  seen the movie Tenet. Oh.
• 31:11
  Yeah, forgot about. That yeah, the main guy, he's
• 31:15
  he, he's been guided by himself, by his future self through
• 31:19
  through this process and through the movie.
• 31:21
  So Hollywood, what it does is hides all these things under the
• 31:26
  guise of fiction, but they're actually abilities that you can
• 31:29
  learn and that's truth that you can learn and practice yourself.
• 31:33
  Yeah. So that's where I started with
• 31:36
  the rune practice. And ever since then or since I
• 31:39
  began using the runes, I go and travel around quite a bit in
• 31:42
  around NSW and other parts of the country and just do room
• 31:45
  readings and events for people. And I'm one of the only ones
• 31:49
  that does it. Every event I go to, there's,
• 31:51
  there's no one else there that does runes.
• 31:53
  I'm the only one. So a lot of people sort of come
• 31:56
  past and go, oh, runes, I know about them or some, some people
• 31:59
  have never heard of them. But what I feel that I'm doing
• 32:03
  is I'm reintroducing people, particularly of European
• 32:06
  heritage into these old ways, into the ways of our ancestors
• 32:11
  and powerfully awakening them through the ruins, but also
• 32:15
  providing a service to heal and to God and to empower them
• 32:20
  through the ruins. Because they've got multiple
• 32:21
  uses that I've discovered over the years that I've been using
• 32:25
  them. And there's, there's new
• 32:26
  abilities that I'm unlocking through the ruins every time I
• 32:30
  use them. They are the basis for the work
• 32:33
  that I do. And they've led to other things.
• 32:36
  And yeah, they're just the gateway for everything that I've
• 32:40
  done and the basis. And there's really nothing you
• 32:44
  can't do with them. And I'm very grateful that they
• 32:46
  came into my life when they did. Yeah, it was later in life.
• 32:50
  I looked back and I said, why didn't I start using them when I
• 32:52
  was a bit young? Things could have been a bit
• 32:54
  different now. But anyway, they've come time
• 32:57
  that I needed them. And yeah, I, I still travel
• 33:00
  around to quite a number of events around Australia and
• 33:05
  provide the services of room reading.
• 33:07
  And you know, it's led me to practice deeper into the old
• 33:11
  ways. You know, like you mentioned in
• 33:13
  the introduction, I'm also a goatee.
• 33:16
  I've worked with various people across the country and in the
• 33:19
  United States as well, in various clans to help, I
• 33:25
  suppose, promote the old ways, but also help people that are
• 33:28
  practising the old ways and help them in whatever way that I can
• 33:32
  to kneel and to guide them. So, yeah, does that give you a
• 33:36
  good basis of of? Yeah, man, what it does, it does
• 33:41
  it. You got it's, it's a lot, you
• 33:43
  know, it's a lot to to absorb. It's a lot to picture in my mind
• 33:47
  too, as, as, as a person kind of learning about you as an
• 33:51
  individual. And, and, and you know, you
• 33:53
  touched on a lot of things that that will hit home for a lot of
• 33:56
  my audience too. You know, that I'm a big
• 33:58
  advocate for doing the damn work, doing the inner work,
• 34:01
  doing that what, what a lot of people today will call a shadow
• 34:04
  work. And you know, the shadows not
• 34:07
  meant to be concealed, right? It's meant to be confronted.
• 34:12
  And that's not easy. It's not, it's not, it's not
• 34:15
  light work. It's not easy work.
• 34:18
  It, it, it, it challenges us. It puts us through that, you
• 34:22
  know, ordeal. But that's where worth is proven
• 34:26
  is, is in adversity, you know what I mean?
• 34:29
  And the, the, the process is, is difficult and it's challenging
• 34:34
  and it can really, you know, test us.
• 34:38
  But with the runes, you know, I've, I've also been a student
• 34:42
  of the runes for probably almost as long as I've been a heathen,
• 34:46
  which is a little over a decade now.
• 34:49
  And I, I, I've offered my services as well as a, as a vid
• 34:55
  key, all right, as a rune reader or as a, as a runer at events.
• 35:00
  And I've had really interesting experiences.
• 35:04
  And I wanted to, I wanted to kind of kind of touch on that,
• 35:07
  if it's OK with you, if you wouldn't mind, because I've had
• 35:11
  experiences with public readings, public, you know,
• 35:16
  putting myself in a public space and offering this form of, you
• 35:21
  know, to say divination or, or whatever.
• 35:24
  But I never go into it. And you know, this is just me
• 35:27
  personally. I never go into this as like,
• 35:30
  I'm here to show you the way to go or show you how to solve your
• 35:36
  problems. Like, no, I'm just what, what I
• 35:39
  see the runes As for me is a, it's a, they're tools that will
• 35:46
  give the possibilities or the, or the, or, you know, the, it's
• 35:52
  more possibilities, but it, but it's like a touch.
• 35:54
  It's, it's a connection to their ancestors.
• 35:57
  And, and we're, we're tying my ancestors into this whole thing.
• 35:59
  So it's becoming a very interwoven experience between me
• 36:04
  and the person for whom I'm reading runes or the people.
• 36:06
  Sometimes I'll have a, a couple or a pair of people that that
• 36:11
  want to, to share in that experience together.
• 36:14
  So it becomes a very dynamic, you know, interwoven thing.
• 36:19
  But I was going to. So the whole point of me
• 36:21
  bringing this up is have you, have you ever faced the feeling
• 36:26
  or faced a, an experience where like the person that's coming or
• 36:33
  the person that you're reading the rune for is, is looking for
• 36:35
  something that you don't want to reveal to them through the runes
• 36:40
  or you don't want to share with them through the runes?
• 36:41
  Like this is not going to be nice.
• 36:43
  We're not this. You're not going to like this
• 36:45
  kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:49
  Well, there's, there's quite a number of times that I've, yeah,
• 36:53
  come across things that have I've gone, I go, how am I going
• 36:56
  to break this to them? Yeah.
• 36:58
  Reason they're there is, is for me to guide them.
• 37:01
  So I don't, I don't withhold anything for them because
• 37:05
  they've come to me and they've paid for a reading.
• 37:08
  It's my duty to give whatever the ruins reveal and not hold
• 37:13
  anything. Yeah, you know I will.
• 37:15
  I will channel it and and communicate it in a way where,
• 37:20
  you know, I don't brutally deliver bad news.
• 37:23
  Yeah. You don't want to wreck them.
• 37:24
  Yeah, yeah. But, and no matter what you say,
• 37:27
  sometimes, particularly a rune named Huggalas, when that comes
• 37:30
  up, even when I draw it for myself, I'm like, shit, what's
• 37:33
  coming now? Yeah, this is not gentle.
• 37:37
  Yeah, yeah, the storm and the hail.
• 37:40
  But yeah, as I said, it's my duty to deliver the news no
• 37:44
  matter what it is, because ultimately it's there to help
• 37:47
  them. It's not there to hinder them.
• 37:50
  And any negativity, any, any challenge is, is is an
• 37:54
  evolutionary catalyst for people.
• 37:57
  And that's the way I view things.
• 37:59
  You know, I've been through a lot of challenges myself.
• 38:02
  And life is not without challenge.
• 38:04
  Life is not without sacrifice. It doesn't have to be all that
• 38:08
  way, but when speaking personally, when I've gone
• 38:13
  through hardship and challenges, there's always been an upside.
• 38:16
  It's made me stronger. It's made me more more
• 38:19
  resilient, and it helps me prepare me for whatever's coming
• 38:23
  next. It's constant, you know, moving
• 38:26
  up the ladder of experience and and wisdom and knowledge and
• 38:29
  strength and so on. So all of those positive things.
• 38:32
  So, yeah, whenever a bad reading happened, so I said, well,
• 38:37
  something that's negative, I'll tell them.
• 38:39
  But I'll always say, look, I'm here to support you.
• 38:43
  If you need support through this change that's coming or through
• 38:46
  this difficulty, then, you know, I, I, I keep in contact with
• 38:49
  them if that's what they wish. Yeah, Yeah, I did did an event a
• 38:53
  couple of weeks ago where Huggalos came up quite regularly
• 38:57
  and probably, it probably came up in about four or five of the
• 39:01
  readings I did that day. So it was it was present.
• 39:05
  And I just told people, I say, OK, well, this room means that
• 39:08
  there's a storm either coming, it's here or it's coming in the
• 39:11
  future. And depending on where the room
• 39:15
  itself falls in the in the drawer, it's either in the past
• 39:18
  in the OR the present challenge or it's coming in the future.
• 39:21
  But I'll always look at the bright side of it, particularly
• 39:24
  with huggle ass, if that comes up in a reading.
• 39:27
  Yeah, it means that there's storm and devastation coming.
• 39:30
  But what it also means that there's there's strength and
• 39:36
  wisdom coming from that challenge and it's sweeping away
• 39:39
  what is no no longer serves. And always use this analogy when
• 39:43
  I'm reading for people and how the loss comes up.
• 39:47
  I look at it as OK. Say for instance, you've just
• 39:51
  experienced your house burning to the ground.
• 39:55
  That's a devastation that that's a very hard thing for anyone to
• 39:58
  manage. You lose all your belongings and
• 40:00
  your actual home where you live. But look at it this way, the
• 40:04
  house could have been full of asbestos or could have had
• 40:09
  repairs that you didn't have the money to make, or your family
• 40:13
  could have outgrown that that current building.
• 40:16
  What this gives you the opportunity to do now that it's
• 40:18
  been removed is to rebuild something bigger and better and
• 40:23
  to learn from that experience. So that's the analogy that I'll
• 40:26
  use if that ruin in particular will come up in a reading.
• 40:30
  And it, it applies across every area of your life, really.
• 40:34
  A lot of people, sometimes when I'll be somewhere where I read
• 40:38
  and people will walk past and I'll offer them a reading, a lot
• 40:42
  of them say, oh, I don't want to know.
• 40:44
  I don't know what, I don't want to know what's coming.
• 40:46
  And there's that fear that people have of learning the
• 40:49
  truth, not just about what may be coming, but about themselves.
• 40:53
  And that's the common theme that I've noticed with with pretty
• 40:56
  much everything, with 90% of humanity, people are living in
• 40:59
  fear of who they are because they're conditioned to believe a
• 41:04
  certain, I suppose religion or whatever is promoting.
• 41:11
  So yeah, you does that answer your question?
• 41:14
  Yeah, for sure. And I think what you'd like to
• 41:16
  that point too, I would add that I think people fear is, is
• 41:19
  definitely a hard condition to, to, to be freed from 'cause it
• 41:26
  does it, it, it, it imprisons us, you know, but complacency,
• 41:32
  comfortability, you know, to be comfortable to, to, to know
• 41:35
  things. It, it, it, you know, once, you
• 41:39
  know, now, now, now the real hard work comes.
• 41:42
  Now you got to do something with what you know, right.
• 41:46
  And people don't rather, they'd be, they'd rather be oblivious.
• 41:48
  They'd rather not know. They'd rather stay comfortable.
• 41:51
  Because if they know something, if they revealed something,
• 41:53
  well, then now I got to do something about it.
• 41:56
  Oh no, I'd rather just stay in my comfort zone.
• 42:01
  And that's not where growth happens.
• 42:02
  Growth doesn't happen in the comfort zone.
• 42:06
  You know, you talked earlier about, you know, plant medicine
• 42:08
  and I'm, I'm no stranger to, to consulting those, those teachers
• 42:16
  in that way. Not ayahuasca specifically, but
• 42:19
  you know, psilocybin and, and other substances that have been
• 42:23
  here for longer than humanity has been here.
• 42:26
  You know, where we came from and, and what we are a part of
• 42:28
  that are here for the teaching. They are there to teach us and
• 42:33
  they and those teachings and that growth that comes from
• 42:35
  those teachings is, is brutal, but it it brings us to the state
• 42:39
  of where we can better serve or be in service, right?
• 42:43
  Absolutely, yeah. And trials, like I said, are
• 42:47
  part of the North's way of life. Yeah.
• 42:51
  That's what made our ancestors strong.
• 42:53
  And look at the influence and the impact that they've left on
• 42:55
  the world. Now, you know, we're practicing
• 42:58
  their ways centuries later when the Christians tried to blot us
• 43:04
  out of existence, you know, and for us to be reviving these ways
• 43:09
  of our ancestors and for them to still be present is testament to
• 43:14
  the strength of the of the old ways.
• 43:16
  And and you touched on the impact that the Viking series
• 43:19
  has had. Yeah, I also watched that as
• 43:21
  well. My father introduced me to that.
• 43:22
  I didn't know anything about it. He'd been watching it.
• 43:25
  He said you've got to watch this show.
• 43:27
  And that again, that was one of the one of the other activations
• 43:30
  that I didn't mention before. And it it was a very good series
• 43:35
  to while it didn't go very, very deep into runes or any or, or
• 43:41
  too deep into the old ways, it just showed their way of life
• 43:45
  and their resilience and their commitment to their gods and to
• 43:47
  their kin to better their own lives.
• 43:49
  And it's when I think about the show Vikings and what the
• 43:54
  Vikings did back in the days connected to a room called
• 43:57
  Nowthes, which is need and tenacity.
• 44:00
  And it represents how they went out of their comfort zone to
• 44:05
  create a better life for themselves and their kin.
• 44:08
  Living in those times in, in in Scandinavia where it's frozen
• 44:12
  for half the year. Yeah, it was.
• 44:14
  Survival wasn't guaranteed. What they had to do was, was
• 44:18
  build boats and go out into the great unknown and try and find
• 44:22
  lands that were more suitable for what they wanted to create
• 44:25
  for themselves and their families and their kid.
• 44:27
  And that's exactly what they did.
• 44:28
  Yeah, they did some raiding and pillaging and so on.
• 44:31
  But they weren't the only ones. Look at what the Christians did,
• 44:34
  what the Romans did. What, what every major religion
• 44:38
  has done over centuries. So that's just the way the world
• 44:41
  back was back then. But yeah, yeah.
• 44:44
  Being able to practice those old ways now again just shows how
• 44:47
  strong and powerful they are. For sure, man, now this is all
• 44:52
  great, you know, and I, I could honestly, the ruins are, are are
• 44:57
  close to my heart. I, I found myself being brought
• 45:01
  into ruinology, the study of the ruins by very, very impactful
• 45:08
  moment in my life. And it wasn't, it wasn't a, it
• 45:11
  wasn't like a gentle, oh, maybe I'll read a book or maybe I'll
• 45:14
  check it out. It was literally like waking up
• 45:16
  from the middle of the night in my sleep by a loud noise that
• 45:20
  said, you're doing this so I could literally go on forever
• 45:24
  about the runes. But I do want to take time to
• 45:27
  focus on more of your project or your story because you have,
• 45:33
  again, you have a social media presence.
• 45:35
  We'll make sure to plug that in the show notes in the
• 45:37
  description for the viewers and the listeners, right?
• 45:39
  So check them all, check all that stuff out.
• 45:42
  But you do have something that you've been kind of alluding to
• 45:47
  as a, as a work that has taken nine months exactly to, to kind
• 45:53
  of compile or to put together. I'm talking about, of course, a
• 45:57
  book that you're releasing or self-publishing called Odin's
• 46:01
  Tutelage, right? Correct.
• 46:03
  Yes. So I'm very excited about this.
• 46:05
  It's been a, you know, a very special and intimate project
• 46:10
  working directly with Odin himself.
• 46:13
  And I've already described how it connected to the runes and
• 46:17
  then the gods and so on. But yeah, Odin came to me.
• 46:23
  I couldn't give a time when it was, but he sort of made himself
• 46:26
  known subtly at 1st and then he sort of entered fully into my
• 46:31
  life not long after I took up the runes.
• 46:35
  And I'm, I will describe this in the book, but it's a little bit
• 46:41
  hazy. But I remember at one, one time
• 46:43
  I did a meditation. I, I meditate pretty much every
• 46:46
  morning. And he came to me and said, I've
• 46:49
  got something that I want to share with you, but you need to
• 46:53
  to agree to it, to take it up. And I went, OK, well, put me
• 46:58
  under your tutelage. I just said that.
• 47:00
  And he took me under his tutelage and decided to speak
• 47:07
  messages to me on a regular basis pretty much every day.
• 47:10
  I'd have a day off every now and then because it was very
• 47:12
  difficult to channel an energy like that on a daily basis for
• 47:15
  nine months. Yeah.
• 47:19
  And he said what, what you need to do is just write everything
• 47:22
  down that I tell you verbatim. Don't change anything, just do
• 47:26
  that. So and OK.
• 47:27
  And what I would do every day at midday, I would make time, it
• 47:33
  only took probably about 15 minutes.
• 47:35
  I would make time to connect directly with him.
• 47:39
  And I would just go into a a short meditation and go into, I
• 47:43
  suppose what you could describe as a trance.
• 47:46
  And he would just speak, and I would literally write in my
• 47:49
  diary in in handwriting everything that he spoke.
• 47:53
  And he would talk about a specific topic.
• 47:56
  So he would just speak one word like honor.
• 48:01
  And then he would talk about honor and what it means as a
• 48:04
  Norse Pagan, but what it means to the modern world.
• 48:08
  And they were short messages, but they were powerful and
• 48:11
  direct. And I just wrote them down.
• 48:15
  He didn't tell me what what it was for.
• 48:17
  I had no idea what was going to happen from it.
• 48:20
  And then I wrote them all down and I ended up with, I think
• 48:24
  around nearly 300 messages from him, over 200.
• 48:29
  I haven't counted them all, but it was over a period of nine
• 48:32
  months exactly where I just wrote these down.
• 48:36
  No, not, not quite every day, but I think I had one or two
• 48:39
  days off every now and then just because it was, it was
• 48:43
  exhausting doing that every day. And I got to a point where I
• 48:48
  just had to stop and I wasn't aware of the time frame that I'd
• 48:53
  been doing it exactly. And then I went to go back to it
• 48:57
  and he said, no, you're done. That's enough.
• 49:00
  I went, oh, OK. And then I sort of left it for a
• 49:02
  while, had other things that I was doing.
• 49:05
  And then I decided to go back to it and look through all the
• 49:07
  messages. And I realized I had, you know,
• 49:10
  over 200, nearly 300 messages from him directly.
• 49:14
  And there was a lot of really good stuff in there.
• 49:16
  And I didn't remember most of it because it was just sort of came
• 49:19
  to me and I'd just write it down word to word.
• 49:23
  And then it just came to me. OK, well, I've got to put these
• 49:26
  in the book and put the put it out to the world.
• 49:29
  And I told a friend who's also a Norse Pagan, the practicing
• 49:33
  Norse Pagan about it recently. And he and he's like, oh, that
• 49:37
  sounds sort of like the modern day hover male.
• 49:40
  Like, oh, actually that's a pretty good way to describe it.
• 49:44
  It's not a continuation of the Hava Mile.
• 49:46
  It's probably it's in the spirit of the Hava Mile, but it's more
• 49:50
  like being able to navigate the modern world while maintaining
• 49:55
  the North Heathen aspect and the way of living and the honor and
• 49:59
  the integrity and the sacrifice and all of those things that we
• 50:02
  hold true to our beliefs and applying them in the modern
• 50:06
  context and still being able to hold true to yourself in those
• 50:09
  old ways. And that's what that's what the
• 50:12
  message of, of, of this book is going to give it.
• 50:15
  It's going to be a guide for people, not just heathens, for
• 50:19
  anyone really to pick up. It's not exclusively A heathen
• 50:22
  book. Right.
• 50:24
  Anyone can pick up the Bible and then find some, some sort of
• 50:29
  advice in there that may, that may resonate for them.
• 50:32
  There's a lot of good stuff in the Bible, I'll admit that.
• 50:34
  You know, I grew up a Christian as well and there's a lot of
• 50:38
  stuff that's not not good in there as well.
• 50:41
  But there's some things that you can you can take from that, from
• 50:45
  the Bible, from other texts, whatever that apply to your life
• 50:48
  that you can use and maybe and funnel and channel through a
• 50:52
  lens of Norse paganism or whatever, whatever it is you're
• 50:55
  practicing. So that's the book project.
• 50:59
  Like I said, I'm self-publishing, so I'm
• 51:03
  designing though the whole thing myself and putting all of the
• 51:07
  words on the pages. I'm having difficulty reading my
• 51:10
  own handwriting. So translating what I wrote at
• 51:14
  the time is, is a bit challenging, but, but I actually
• 51:17
  used AI to, I took photos of all the pages that I did and I ran
• 51:23
  it to an AI and an AI actually picked up around probably 90% of
• 51:28
  what I wrote. It's just those things that
• 51:30
  it's, it hasn't, wasn't entirely accurate to what I'm doing now
• 51:33
  is just going to, I'm making sure that it's being reproduced
• 51:35
  word for word because I hadn't told me.
• 51:38
  You can't change anything. You've got to have it exactly as
• 51:42
  I've presented it. So nothing will be changed.
• 51:45
  Nothing will be, I suppose, edited for readership purposes.
• 51:50
  It's going to be presented exactly the way it was presented
• 51:54
  to me in book form. And anyone can pick this up,
• 51:57
  like I said, and just open any page.
• 51:59
  If they've got a particular challenge that they're facing
• 52:02
  and they need guidance, they need outside guidance or just if
• 52:06
  they've got a connection with Odin or they don't, doesn't
• 52:08
  matter. And they can open the book to
• 52:10
  any page and they'll find the guidance that they need for that
• 52:13
  particular challenge or topic or day or whatever it is that
• 52:17
  they're facing. And that's the aim of the book.
• 52:21
  And like I said, I'm really excited to put it out.
• 52:24
  I'm it can't come out quick enough for me.
• 52:27
  And when it does, I'm really, really excited to see the impact
• 52:30
  that it has and the help it provides to people.
• 52:32
  Because even reading back through the messages myself, I'm
• 52:36
  looking at them going, wow, I don't remember writing that at
• 52:38
  all. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:39
  And. Yeah, it's really powerful stuff
• 52:43
  and I really hope that a lot of people get get the help to it
• 52:48
  intends and the guidance that that is the intention of the
• 52:52
  book. And yeah, I really can't wait to
• 52:55
  get it out. So anyone that's interested in
• 53:00
  purchasing the book when it comes out, just keep an eye on
• 53:02
  my social media and my website. I'll be, I've already made the
• 53:06
  announcement that it's coming out just before Christmas and
• 53:10
  yeah, I've just got to get my ass into gear, I suppose, and
• 53:12
  get it done because self-publishing, Yeah.
• 53:15
  I didn't realise how challenging it would be, but I just want to
• 53:18
  make, want to get it right. I don't want to rush it.
• 53:20
  Yeah, because it's got to be right and it's got to be
• 53:23
  presented in the right way. And, and I've got, you know, a
• 53:26
  lot of experience in, in communications and writing from
• 53:29
  my previous work. Right.
• 53:32
  Side of North paganism. So I want to make sure that it's
• 53:36
  presented right, that it's it's just, yeah, it has to be exactly
• 53:39
  right before I get it out. Oh yeah, for sure, man.
• 53:42
  I mean, that's a long time, you know, nine months over over
• 53:46
  that, that duration and, and you describing how this this came to
• 53:50
  you and, and sharing it with the world in this way.
• 53:53
  You know, that's I wouldn't want to rush it either.
• 53:56
  You know, now with now there's I got a few questions for you,
• 54:00
  though, like with pertaining to Odin, because he's obviously
• 54:07
  probably the most widely spoken about, widely known, most
• 54:12
  attested to in the lore, you know, of the gods of, of the
• 54:16
  Norse pantheon widely, you know, he's not considered to be a very
• 54:23
  quote UN quote safe God. A lot of people, myself
• 54:27
  included, who, who would, who would venture to say, you know,
• 54:30
  like anytime you engage with him, it's going to cost you
• 54:37
  because with him and his, what he's gained, it's always cost
• 54:41
  him, you know, an eye at Mimir as well, hanging on Igdrasil for
• 54:45
  nine days a night. So if I could maybe open that
• 54:50
  door a little bit towards you and say, you know, what has the
• 54:53
  tutelage from Odin cost you anything personally,
• 54:56
  spiritually, socially, What has that?
• 54:59
  If you're willing to to speak a little bit about or on that, I'm
• 55:04
  I'm interested. Yeah.
• 55:06
  I wouldn't say that there's been a particular cost that I've had
• 55:09
  to sacrifice anything other than my time and energy to get that
• 55:12
  done in particular. But I've got many other
• 55:15
  instances that I can describe to you where there has been a cost
• 55:19
  extracted for any work that I've done with him directly.
• 55:22
  Yeah, of course, there's been many times where he's come to me
• 55:27
  with things in particular and it's been difficult.
• 55:32
  It hasn't been easy and a lot of people in this modern world, as
• 55:37
  you would know and many of many of your listeners would know,
• 55:40
  have that mindset, that Christian mindset or that Jewish
• 55:44
  or the OR the Islamic mindset where you have to basically
• 55:49
  surrender yourself and pray for, save for being, pray to be saved
• 55:55
  by an outside source. Odin doesn't do any of that, not
• 55:59
  at all. And I can remember a particular
• 56:02
  instance where I was going through some hardship
• 56:04
  personally, and I was on my knees basically begging for help
• 56:11
  because I was so distraught. I can't remember exactly what it
• 56:14
  was, but I remember his response.
• 56:16
  He just said to me, get up, get off your knees, get on your feet
• 56:22
  and keep moving. And it was very brutal.
• 56:25
  And I was very surprised and I was very shocked at the response
• 56:28
  because I'd been conditioned as a Christian growing up to rely
• 56:33
  on an outside figure to save me. And when I was, I had a brutal,
• 56:39
  rude awakening when I started working with with the Nordic
• 56:43
  gods, particularly Oded. When I tried to, when I lapsed
• 56:46
  into that mindset, he said, no, get up, do it yourself.
• 56:51
  You've got the strength to carry on.
• 56:53
  I'm not helping you. And he walked away and I was
• 56:55
  left on my knees. You're not a shock that it
• 56:59
  happened. Do you know what I did?
• 57:02
  I got up and I moved and I did whatever it is or whatever it
• 57:06
  was myself. Didn't get any help from him
• 57:11
  because I didn't need it. And that's what the Nordic gods
• 57:14
  teach, that you have the strength to do things.
• 57:16
  You don't rely on on the gods to do things for you.
• 57:20
  Yes, they walk with you, they help you, they motivate you,
• 57:23
  they inspire you. But they're not going to do the
• 57:25
  work for you. Yeah, particularly if you've got
• 57:29
  the capability to do it yourself.
• 57:31
  So that's, that's probably characterizes my experience with
• 57:35
  Odin. And ever since then I've
• 57:37
  realized that it's, it's not a, not a relationship where I can
• 57:41
  rely on him to get things done and just, I suppose, you know,
• 57:46
  push off responsibility to, to, to him and the other gods to get
• 57:50
  things done for my own life. I've had to, to walk through,
• 57:55
  you know, fire basically through Helheim to get things done.
• 57:59
  Yes, they've been with me. Yes, they've inspired me.
• 58:01
  They've filled me with knowledge and inspiration and, and helped
• 58:05
  me find the strength that I had within myself already and given
• 58:09
  me the knowledge to find that strength to move through
• 58:13
  whatever difficulty I've experienced.
• 58:16
  And now I'm at a level now where I suppose that, yeah, I still
• 58:21
  have challenges, but I know how to get around them.
• 58:23
  Yeah, it's still going to be painful, but it's not going to
• 58:26
  be as nearly as painful as it was in the past because I'm a
• 58:29
  lot stronger from what I've experienced.
• 58:32
  Yeah, you got that conditioning right, like.
• 58:36
  Yeah, and it's, I suppose there may be a cost coming from for
• 58:41
  Odin's tutelage. I don't know.
• 58:42
  He's not really said anything. So I'm thinking about it now.
• 58:45
  But like I said, after the nine months, I was just completely
• 58:48
  exhausted and I, I had to just walk away from it for a while
• 58:51
  because I was just that utterly spent from what I'd, what I'd
• 58:56
  channeled and what I'd experienced.
• 58:57
  So I suppose that was probably the cost, now that I think back
• 59:01
  on it, of being able to produce that work.
• 59:05
  And it took a lot of strength and a lot of dedication, you
• 59:08
  know, doing that over nine months straight without rest,
• 59:13
  that would, well, it did exhaust me.
• 59:16
  But I, I can't really say I know anyone else would do something
• 59:20
  like that. I've not heard of anyone else
• 59:22
  doing this kind of thing with Odin directly, no.
• 59:24
  Yeah. I mean, it's and that's what
• 59:26
  that's what really kind of interested me in wanting to
• 59:29
  speak with you more because that's, that's a very, I mean,
• 59:32
  the numbers mean something. Obviously, you know, we don't,
• 59:35
  we don't have this level of detail documented in the sources
• 59:39
  that we do have by happenstance, at least I don't think so.
• 59:43
  I think the numbers mean something, you know, so 9 days,
• 59:46
  nine nights, you know, 8 legs on the horse, you know, the three
• 59:50
  nor near like all these things like that have number values
• 59:53
  assigned to them. Are, are, are, are significant
• 59:57
  in my opinion. You know, they, they could have
• 1:00:00
  said anything a bit more, you know, ambiguous.
• 1:00:04
  They, they, they didn't have to be as specific as they were.
• 1:00:07
  So for yeah, for you to share like you know it was.
• 1:00:10
  You know, not just about nine months, but you, you, you
• 1:00:13
  calculated it. It was it was nine months to the
• 1:00:15
  day, right? Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:00:18
  Be compiled. And so yeah, it's, it's, it's
• 1:00:21
  really interesting to hear what this is, what this is going to,
• 1:00:26
  you know, result in for people. Obviously you've already got all
• 1:00:30
  this stuff written down. You're just getting it, having
• 1:00:32
  to get it published. So you know more than we do at
• 1:00:34
  this point, but it's going to be really interesting to see the
• 1:00:38
  final, the final piece of the puzzle as it were, when once it
• 1:00:41
  all gets layered in there. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:00:46
  And people who who are on Facebook can read some of the
• 1:00:49
  messages that I've put on there. I created a group called the
• 1:00:53
  Wolves of Odin and it's an invite only group, so it's a
• 1:00:57
  private group. And I did share some of the
• 1:00:59
  messages in there that I got from Odin for Odin's tutelage
• 1:01:03
  before I actually started putting them into the book.
• 1:01:06
  And this wasn't long after I actually completed the messages.
• 1:01:11
  And yeah, you're right about the number.
• 1:01:12
  When I did go back and look at the time that I started, because
• 1:01:17
  I kept the dates in the Diaries, I started On this date.
• 1:01:21
  And my last message from him, which I didn't know at the time
• 1:01:24
  would be the last message, was nine months to the day from when
• 1:01:28
  I started to the day exactly. And that was not by intention at
• 1:01:33
  all, because, like I said, I didn't realize until I went back
• 1:01:36
  and calculated the time that it was the nine months exactly.
• 1:01:39
  Yeah, yeah. How would you have known?
• 1:01:42
  Yeah, I didn't. I didn't.
• 1:01:43
  And I was shocked. I was really shocked and, and,
• 1:01:46
  and that gave me a good sense of how special it was and how it
• 1:01:53
  was by design, by Odin's design, but also the design of my higher
• 1:01:57
  self I suppose. And and a fate of the weird.
• 1:02:01
  The weird aligned and the non's aligned for me to do that
• 1:02:04
  unconsciously with Odin for exactly 9 months.
• 1:02:08
  And the non number and #3 and #6 have popped up in other
• 1:02:13
  synchronicities in my life as well.
• 1:02:16
  In between and and before and after this process.
• 1:02:20
  There's another process that Odin taught me himself called
• 1:02:24
  the Odinic Forge. And I was inspired to do this on
• 1:02:27
  myself, where you highlight something in your life that you
• 1:02:33
  want to shift and achieve a higher version of that.
• 1:02:37
  And it aligns exactly with Odin's sacrifice on the World
• 1:02:40
  Tree on Igdasil for 9 days and 9 nights.
• 1:02:43
  And this process that he taught me goes over 9 days and nine
• 1:02:46
  nights where you're not literally hanging from a tree
• 1:02:49
  upside down with a spear in your gut that would be a bit
• 1:02:51
  difficult to endure for 9 days and 9 nights.
• 1:02:55
  Probably illegal too, but. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:59
  Anyway. And what he taught me was to,
• 1:03:04
  yes, highlight something that I wanted to shift in my life.
• 1:03:08
  And it aligns with what he did. He sacrificed the lower part of
• 1:03:11
  himself to a higher part of himself to achieve knowledge of
• 1:03:15
  the ruins from the nons. So what I did was I was could
• 1:03:22
  say, for instance, it could be lust being controlled by lust.
• 1:03:26
  I wanted to be led by love instead of lust.
• 1:03:28
  So I chose that, that theme in particular.
• 1:03:31
  And over the nine days, he took me through various trials and
• 1:03:36
  tasks and I didn't know what was coming to achieve that end.
• 1:03:40
  And at the end of the nine days, I achieved that goal.
• 1:03:44
  I became heart LED instead of LED by, you know, as most, most
• 1:03:47
  men are in this world, led by their their loins and their
• 1:03:50
  lower nether regions. And ever since then, I've had a
• 1:03:55
  new outlook on, on life and being led by the heart and love
• 1:03:58
  rather than anything else. And it was an extremely
• 1:04:05
  difficult process. The nine days, the things that
• 1:04:09
  he threw at me by, by about day three, I was like, this is too
• 1:04:13
  hard, I want to quit. And he just said no, keep going,
• 1:04:17
  keep going. It's only just begun.
• 1:04:24
  Yeah. And it was, it was really hard.
• 1:04:26
  It was really hard, but I knew it was going to be.
• 1:04:29
  And everything that that I went through, I see was, was
• 1:04:34
  necessary to achieve the Enlightenment and the goal that
• 1:04:37
  I did achieve. And he taught me a particular
• 1:04:39
  process that I share with people now that with people that I work
• 1:04:43
  with my clients. And I'm going to, I might even
• 1:04:46
  include it in Odin's tutelage as a, as an extra thing because he
• 1:04:49
  said this is for you to share with, with anyone.
• 1:04:52
  And it was through, through the ruin Yiwas and the tree Ingresol
• 1:04:55
  where you visualize the rune on your body.
• 1:04:59
  So if if everyone knows the Yiwas rune, it's sort of it's
• 1:05:02
  got a middle stem and then two little arms on either side, top
• 1:05:06
  and bottom. And I visualize that rune I'm
• 1:05:11
  overlaid on my body and I visualize something that I'm
• 1:05:15
  trying to shift. So for instance, it could be
• 1:05:17
  fear and I visualize that fear being fed in through the lower
• 1:05:21
  arm of Yiwaz. And then I breathe in and I feel
• 1:05:25
  that fear transmuting and rising up the spine.
• 1:05:28
  And when it reaches the crown, it's spat out as confidence or
• 1:05:33
  the opposite of fear, which is, or the opposite of fear really
• 1:05:36
  is love. Right.
• 1:05:38
  Yeah, and that's a price I've used on myself and shared with
• 1:05:43
  my clients as well to help them shift negative feelings.
• 1:05:48
  And it was a very powerful lesson and a very powerful
• 1:05:52
  outcome from that particular process that I didn't even know
• 1:05:55
  was coming. He said, here's a bonus you can
• 1:05:57
  use whenever you want and and share it with other people.
• 1:05:59
  So I'm sharing that now with you and the listeners of this
• 1:06:03
  podcast that you can use that particular process because that
• 1:06:07
  was from Odin. That's not mine.
• 1:06:09
  I don't own that at all. Yeah.
• 1:06:12
  And. Visualizing of things really
• 1:06:14
  helps, I think for a lot of people, you know, 'cause you get
• 1:06:16
  into these, these various, whether it's tantric or, or any
• 1:06:20
  other kind of, you know, yoga or, or whatever, you know,
• 1:06:25
  movement and shapes and, and the, the, the visualization of
• 1:06:29
  things really helps. I think for people to, to work
• 1:06:34
  through the things that they're having to work through.
• 1:06:37
  It has for me to, you know, the 'cause, you know, trying to
• 1:06:42
  assign something that is such a daunting thing for us, right?
• 1:06:47
  We, we, we play such a high weight a lot of times on the
• 1:06:52
  things that we want to correct with ourselves, right?
• 1:06:53
  Ah, this is such a big deal because I've been dealing with
• 1:06:55
  it for how many years or for how long, right?
• 1:06:58
  Ah, it's such a big, like this, this huge mountain, you know,
• 1:07:02
  OK, well, forget about trying to get over the mountain.
• 1:07:05
  Try walking a few steps first, just just get, just move
• 1:07:08
  forward, right? Just, and then eventually, you
• 1:07:11
  know, you, you cover more ground that way.
• 1:07:13
  You're not, you're not looking at this gigantic thing in front
• 1:07:15
  of you. You're picturing it as a as a
• 1:07:17
  slow trajectory. But yeah, I think that
• 1:07:21
  visualization can really help too, where we're, you know,
• 1:07:25
  consciously aware of that design of that shape of that situation,
• 1:07:31
  right? And manifested in that way.
• 1:07:33
  That's, that's really wild, man. Thank you.
• 1:07:36
  You're welcome. And yeah, I do share that
• 1:07:38
  process with, with clients, of course it's a paid process.
• 1:07:43
  If anyone's interested in in learning that process, I guide
• 1:07:47
  men. I've I've done it with men, but
• 1:07:49
  it's available to women as well through this identic forward,
• 1:07:52
  forward process. And the men that I've guided
• 1:07:55
  through it so far have had significant changes in their
• 1:07:58
  lives. They've highlighted something in
• 1:08:02
  their life that's negative, that's controlling them, and
• 1:08:05
  they've identified, you know, the polar positive opposite of
• 1:08:09
  what that is. And that's what the Odinic forge
• 1:08:12
  does. You go through that nine day
• 1:08:14
  process in the spirit of what Odin did on the tree, and you're
• 1:08:18
  guided directly by Odin as well. Yeah, I'm there as an assistant,
• 1:08:22
  but I provide the instructions and the connection is
• 1:08:25
  established with Odin himself. And Odin actually steps in and
• 1:08:28
  guides men through it, so it's very, very powerful.
• 1:08:32
  Wow, sounds like it man. Do you think that people have a
• 1:08:40
  like misunderstanding or or maybe the better question is
• 1:08:44
  like do you think or what do you think that people misunderstand
• 1:08:47
  most about Odin? From your own experiences, what
• 1:08:50
  do you think people what what people misunderstand most about
• 1:08:54
  him? Especially for people who might
• 1:08:57
  be drawn to him because of this idea of like power and mystique.
• 1:09:04
  And he's a, you know, he's the, he's the, you know, he has so
• 1:09:07
  many things. He's, he's multifaceted.
• 1:09:08
  He's not just a God of the runes, You know, he's a God of
• 1:09:11
  the gallows. He's, he's the God of poets.
• 1:09:13
  He's the God of so many things that he gets attested to.
• 1:09:17
  What do you think people tend to misunderstand most about Odin?
• 1:09:22
  Well, yeah, like I touched on before, a lot of people that
• 1:09:26
  come to or return to Norse paganism, I suppose, will look
• 1:09:31
  at him through the lens of what they've practiced previously,
• 1:09:34
  like the traditional Abrahamic religions where he's a saviour
• 1:09:37
  figure when he's not that at all.
• 1:09:39
  He's a guide and he's an inspiration, but he's not
• 1:09:43
  someone that's going to pick you up off the ground and dust you
• 1:09:45
  off and go like, there you go, son.
• 1:09:47
  You know, this is, this is this is what you do.
• 1:09:52
  No, he inspires you to be the best version of yourself.
• 1:09:54
  So there's that example. There's also people that see him
• 1:09:58
  through the lens of what Hollywood has painted of Odin.
• 1:10:02
  Of course, the Marvel movies, and you know, they didn't do a
• 1:10:06
  bad job, but it just wasn't very deep or, or I suppose didn't go
• 1:10:10
  deep enough, enough into what Odin represents.
• 1:10:13
  But yeah, yeah, a lot of people will see what Vikings portrayed
• 1:10:19
  as, you know, Odin was, was present in that show.
• 1:10:24
  He just wasn't explained deep enough, I suppose, for people to
• 1:10:27
  get a good sense of who he is. And that doesn't matter.
• 1:10:31
  It inspired me to look further and inspired a lot of others as
• 1:10:35
  well. So I think that's what most
• 1:10:37
  people misunderstand who don't have a knowledge or or a real
• 1:10:41
  understanding of Norse paganism. They'll see him as the chief
• 1:10:46
  God, as someone that will provide that, you know, saviour
• 1:10:49
  like figure, saviour like energy, when he's none, none of
• 1:10:51
  that at all. But yeah, I think when people
• 1:10:54
  look deeper into what he actually represents, then they
• 1:10:58
  start to get a sense of who he is and A and a real appreciation
• 1:11:01
  like I did myself. My journey is with Odin as being
• 1:11:05
  one of the hardest things I've ever experienced, but also being
• 1:11:10
  one of the most positive because of where I am now and what I've
• 1:11:13
  learned and and without him, I wouldn't have that knowledge.
• 1:11:18
  And he's the God of wisdom and knowledge, so he helps provide
• 1:11:20
  that knowledge to people that work with him.
• 1:11:22
  Right. Well, there's also a part of
• 1:11:25
  Odin that I think people tend to avoid.
• 1:11:29
  And I was going to throw this out here for you in case it, you
• 1:11:32
  know, because we've talked so much about things that pertain
• 1:11:35
  to Odin in a positive way because of how much he's been a,
• 1:11:39
  been a, you know, in, in your UPG and in, in what you're doing
• 1:11:43
  your work, How it, how much of a positive influence he's been
• 1:11:46
  right now this question is going to lean towards the maybe
• 1:11:52
  unsavory side of, of, of things. So what I wanted to ask you is
• 1:11:56
  how do you, how have you been able to avoid this like ego
• 1:12:00
  inflation when working with Odin?
• 1:12:02
  Because Odin also has characteristics of rewarding
• 1:12:06
  confidence and cunning and more diabolical or maniacal type
• 1:12:13
  behaviors. He's, he's a mad, you know,
• 1:12:15
  he's, he's the mad one. He's got that name tied to him
• 1:12:18
  as well. So like, how has that, how is
• 1:12:21
  that the, the, the, the complexity of Odin working with
• 1:12:24
  him? How has that been for you to
• 1:12:27
  avoid that ego inflation with working with such a powerful
• 1:12:30
  figure? Well, I haven't been immune to
• 1:12:33
  the ego inflation at all. I've, I've had the ego inflation
• 1:12:37
  not just from working with Odin, but various other things that
• 1:12:39
  I've discovered through the spirituality journey really.
• 1:12:42
  So I went through that process where I was egotistical.
• 1:12:47
  I saw myself as, as above others who didn't have the connection
• 1:12:50
  with spirit spirits or the spirit world that I did.
• 1:12:53
  And this was before I got into Norse paganism, but I've even
• 1:12:57
  had that experience working with Odin as well.
• 1:12:59
  And, and what I've experienced, I suppose his various trials
• 1:13:04
  have been sent my way either by him or other forces to bring me
• 1:13:08
  back down from that ego and see things as they really are.
• 1:13:12
  And Odin has a close connection with with Loki, as many people
• 1:13:16
  would realize listening to this, they're Blood Brothers.
• 1:13:20
  So I think that they have an influence on each other,
• 1:13:23
  definitely. And Loki's presented himself in
• 1:13:25
  my life very, very strongly in many ways that I haven't
• 1:13:28
  mentioned at all yet. But I, I, I wouldn't say that
• 1:13:32
  I've escaped any negative aspects.
• 1:13:35
  I've just been able to channel those negative aspects into a
• 1:13:38
  positive. You've mentioned shadow and
• 1:13:41
  working with the shadow and facing the shadow.
• 1:13:43
  I've done a lot of that, not just through working with Odin,
• 1:13:46
  but with just the deeper aspects of myself.
• 1:13:49
  And Odin, you know, he's a God of War, He's a God of the slain.
• 1:13:52
  He's a God of many things, as you've mentioned.
• 1:13:56
  And Norse paganism, it's, it's, it's not a soft way of living.
• 1:14:01
  It's not a soft way of approaching the world.
• 1:14:03
  It's not like, you know, turn the other cheek.
• 1:14:06
  The Christians will, will tell you if, if you have an enemy
• 1:14:11
  that's trying to destroy you, Odin can show you the ways to
• 1:14:16
  destroy them before they destroy you or to defend yourself.
• 1:14:20
  There's there's no there's, there's.
• 1:14:22
  The way of working with shadow is to embrace your dark side,
• 1:14:26
  not use it to harm others for no reason.
• 1:14:29
  But if you're being attacked, if you're being threatened, you
• 1:14:33
  have every right to use your darker aspects to defend
• 1:14:36
  yourself and your kin. And I've learned a lot of that
• 1:14:38
  through Odin, through the various magical aspects.
• 1:14:41
  I've got abilities not just through Norse paganism, but
• 1:14:45
  other aspects of magic that I've practiced where there's avenues
• 1:14:49
  you can go down to harm people if you want to do that, like
• 1:14:53
  choose not to do that because I, I live my life in honor and
• 1:14:57
  integrity. Tear is a very, very strong
• 1:14:59
  guiding influence on me. It's not just Odin and Tear has
• 1:15:04
  that that influence on, you know, many Norse pagans as well.
• 1:15:08
  It's about living with honor and integrity.
• 1:15:11
  And that's what I try and do. But embracing the shadow I've
• 1:15:14
  been in that been down that path.
• 1:15:15
  I've integrated a lot of my shadow aspects and I have that
• 1:15:18
  capability to do great harm, but I choose not to because I want
• 1:15:23
  to live in a world where people act with integrity like I do and
• 1:15:28
  help and empower others rather than climb over them to get to
• 1:15:33
  the top. I think that's probably one of
• 1:15:35
  the most harmful aspects of the world in which we live now is
• 1:15:38
  that there's a few people who have power and they're using it
• 1:15:42
  to exploit others. Whereas the Norse Pagan way is
• 1:15:47
  to, to empower your brother, empower your sister, to empower
• 1:15:52
  your kin, to take them along on the journey with you.
• 1:15:54
  Not climb over the top to over the top of them to get to the
• 1:15:57
  top, to about bringing others who have your beliefs, but also
• 1:16:01
  inspiring others who may not have those beliefs by acting
• 1:16:04
  within with honour and integrity.
• 1:16:06
  And that's what I've learned through working with Tear in
• 1:16:09
  particular. So yeah, like I said, I've
• 1:16:11
  escaped those negative aspects. I've just used them as an
• 1:16:14
  evolutionary catalyst to make my life better and to make the
• 1:16:19
  lives of other other people that I serve better as well.
• 1:16:23
  I hope that answers your question.
• 1:16:25
  Yeah, no, that's great, You know, because a lot of times
• 1:16:28
  people when they, when they at first maybe, you know, when
• 1:16:32
  they, when they first are confronted with this idea of
• 1:16:34
  the, you know, maybe maybe it's because of programming and, and
• 1:16:39
  being brought up in a certain worldview to think that, you
• 1:16:41
  know, darkness is bad and, and that it there's there's an
• 1:16:44
  inherent evil in darkness and that the darkness is to be
• 1:16:48
  vanquished and the light has to rule and all this.
• 1:16:52
  Whereas the reality of it is that the light and the dark
• 1:16:56
  share equal time, you know what I mean?
• 1:16:58
  Like there is, there is time for all of it and there are times
• 1:17:03
  when the darkness needs to preside and but in a way that
• 1:17:08
  doesn't destroy, you know what I mean?
• 1:17:10
  Like that with the self, at least it's, you know, it's
• 1:17:13
  working with all of it. And it, and I said before, you
• 1:17:16
  know, confronting it and giving space to it.
• 1:17:21
  It's, it's, it can be scary in the dark.
• 1:17:23
  Like, you know, a lot of people are afraid of the dark and that
• 1:17:26
  that's not just being afraid of a dark's place or a dark room.
• 1:17:31
  They're just afraid of the darkness that is within them.
• 1:17:35
  And hey, that's still a part of us.
• 1:17:39
  We have to give space to it and work with it in a in a in a
• 1:17:43
  holistic way, right? Yeah, and it goes to a saying
• 1:17:47
  that that I actually that came to me one day and I've written
• 1:17:51
  it. I've got got a collection of
• 1:17:53
  sayings on one of my Instagram profiles that I've written down
• 1:17:57
  that I don't really promote that much, but a line that just came
• 1:17:59
  to me one day and let the light guide me and the darkness teach
• 1:18:03
  me. You learn a lot from actually
• 1:18:07
  exploring the darker aspects of yourself.
• 1:18:10
  But it was also of the world. But I'm always careful to make
• 1:18:16
  sure that I don't do anything to harm others.
• 1:18:19
  So I let the light guide me. Whatever I do is to better
• 1:18:23
  myself, to help my family and my kin and my Blood Brothers and
• 1:18:27
  sisters and others that I serve. I don't want to be a force for
• 1:18:33
  darkness in this world. Yes, I've got that darkness
• 1:18:35
  capability, but I want to use that darkness to help myself and
• 1:18:42
  to help others. And not many people realize
• 1:18:44
  that. You realize that, and a lot of
• 1:18:46
  your listeners realize that. But yeah, there seems to be this
• 1:18:50
  line between good and evil that you can't, can't cross.
• 1:18:54
  And it's a Christian mindset and it's an Islamic mindset and A
• 1:18:57
  and a Judaistic mindset. Those Abrahamic religions have
• 1:19:01
  entrenched that view in society where there's a very clear
• 1:19:05
  delineation of doing right and doing wrong.
• 1:19:09
  And it's changing. More and more people are
• 1:19:11
  starting to see the reality of, of the world we live in and, and
• 1:19:16
  the reality about themselves, the truth of themselves, and
• 1:19:18
  moving out of that. Just doing good without any
• 1:19:22
  thought of looking at me. What lies beneath, what lies in
• 1:19:26
  the darkness, not just within, but without, and exploring that
• 1:19:30
  for you, for your own benefit and for the benefit of the
• 1:19:33
  world. And that's the way I try to look
• 1:19:34
  at things. Yeah, I've learned a lot in the
• 1:19:38
  dark. I don't know about you, but you
• 1:19:41
  know, I've learned a lot when there's nothing else there to
• 1:19:44
  guide me, you know, I've got, I've got to really sit with
• 1:19:48
  that, you know, and like, well, how do I get out of this?
• 1:19:51
  How do I get, it's not about getting out of it really.
• 1:19:53
  It's, it's getting through it, you know, it's not trying to
• 1:19:56
  escape it 'cause that's, that's, that's the other part of it, you
• 1:19:58
  know, because of that fear when confronted with it or when
• 1:20:02
  presented with it. There's this natural tendency
• 1:20:06
  for folks, especially at at the beginning to fight and get away
• 1:20:11
  from it. They want to escape because it's
• 1:20:12
  uncomfortable. It's, it's, it's scary, you know
• 1:20:14
  what I mean? So no, it's, it's, it's going
• 1:20:19
  into that, going into that abyss and going, well, whatever's
• 1:20:23
  going to happen here, I'm here for it.
• 1:20:26
  I'm going to work through it. Yeah, I've had, I've had those
• 1:20:31
  experiences. I know a lot of people that
• 1:20:32
  listen or watch this show have had similar things too.
• 1:20:35
  So I'm excited. Does does Odin's tutelage, would
• 1:20:39
  you say? Is it more, you know,
• 1:20:41
  instructional initiatory? Does it?
• 1:20:46
  Maybe a little bit of both or nothing at all?
• 1:20:49
  Well, I'd say it's all of those things.
• 1:20:51
  It does deal with the darker aspects of of yourself and the
• 1:20:56
  world. Yeah, of course.
• 1:20:57
  I wouldn't really say it has any particular theme other than
• 1:21:00
  personal empowerment. And it's very, very honest.
• 1:21:03
  It's very brutal. Some of the things that he said
• 1:21:06
  in this book are very direct. Well, pretty much all the things
• 1:21:09
  he said are very direct. He doesn't beat around the Bush.
• 1:21:13
  But yeah, it's instructional. It's it's, it helps you look at
• 1:21:20
  the world from a certain perspective, but also look
• 1:21:23
  within and look, look to the power within that you have
• 1:21:25
  within yourself, but also to seek knowledge, to seek more
• 1:21:28
  wisdom. There's, I wouldn't say it has
• 1:21:32
  any anyone genre. There's just so many things that
• 1:21:35
  are in there and like, but like I said, I can't even remember
• 1:21:38
  99% of what's written in there. Just the things that I have read
• 1:21:42
  since I've been transcribing it. I'm like, wow, I didn't have no
• 1:21:46
  idea. I wrote that down.
• 1:21:47
  So until the book comes out, until I read and read, read all
• 1:21:52
  the messages back, since I've written them down, I just left
• 1:21:55
  them. As I'm going through and editing
• 1:21:58
  the writing and and I'm in the process of designing the pages
• 1:22:01
  now. So the last thing I'm going to
• 1:22:02
  do is edit and read through everything I've written because
• 1:22:05
  I still haven't read it all. Then I'll be able to get a sense
• 1:22:08
  of what it's actually about, and that'll be included in the
• 1:22:12
  promotional material. I do have a sense of what it's
• 1:22:15
  about. But actual content of what?
• 1:22:17
  Everything that's in there? Yeah, I'm still in the dark
• 1:22:19
  because I can't remember. Did was there anything since, I
• 1:22:23
  mean, I realize it's a lot to to, there's no way possible for
• 1:22:28
  you to retain it or remember it all, but did like, does anything
• 1:22:30
  particular stand out in you during the writing process that
• 1:22:34
  surprised you or challenged you of your own understanding of
• 1:22:38
  Odin? Like, was there something that
• 1:22:39
  came to you that was like, well, wasn't expecting that or you
• 1:22:43
  know. Yeah, well, yeah, there's,
• 1:22:47
  there's what I'm remembering now, the things that I've shared
• 1:22:49
  on social media, you know, there's been themes about shame,
• 1:22:55
  there's themes of honour, there's love, there's power.
• 1:22:59
  I wouldn't say anything's I suppose has shocked me as yet.
• 1:23:03
  There may be some things in there that I, that I read well
• 1:23:08
  as I'm going through the editing process that I'll go, wow,
• 1:23:11
  wasn't expecting that. But it's a very honest appraisal
• 1:23:16
  of things that I suppose that many other texts would leave
• 1:23:19
  alone because it's to do with power.
• 1:23:24
  A lot of people will will tell you, particularly from a
• 1:23:27
  Abrahamic religion mindset, that you shouldn't do certain things
• 1:23:31
  to gain certain power. But like we've been discussing
• 1:23:35
  here already, working through the darkness and working with
• 1:23:38
  other gods, he's mentioned Loki in particular and Hell in
• 1:23:44
  particular. And I've worked with with them
• 1:23:46
  as a result of doing Odin's Tutalism, he's inspired me to
• 1:23:49
  work deeper with the other, you know, darker gods.
• 1:23:53
  It has, it has everything in there.
• 1:23:55
  From what I'm recalling of what I've seen so far, what I do
• 1:23:59
  remember, there's, there's nothing that's, that's not
• 1:24:01
  explored really. It does inspire you to go deep
• 1:24:07
  and to look within and to look not just to the light but to the
• 1:24:10
  dark. So there's going to be a lot of
• 1:24:12
  surprises in there for a lot of people, I suppose those that
• 1:24:16
  have worked directly with that and may not be surprised.
• 1:24:18
  But there's going to be information in there about how
• 1:24:22
  to attain certain knowledge and how to retain that knowledge
• 1:24:27
  within your body and how to utilise power and honour and all
• 1:24:30
  of those things that we've talked about already.
• 1:24:32
  But that to the Norse way of life.
• 1:24:35
  But but life in general. Very wild man.
• 1:24:39
  I'm excited to follow along in this way with the with you on on
• 1:24:44
  the show, you know, sharing of of when people can expect this.
• 1:24:47
  I'm I'm sure you'll keep everybody posted and up to date
• 1:24:50
  through your socials on this. So yeah, definitely for the
• 1:24:52
  listeners, you know, every or you know, people on Patreon
• 1:24:55
  here. Watch and check out wherever it
• 1:24:57
  is that you're catching this. Basically, it's, it's going to
• 1:24:59
  be in the show notes or the description of the video, if
• 1:25:01
  you're watching this for the links to, to Sam's socials and
• 1:25:04
  websites and, and details on on when to expect this publication
• 1:25:09
  to be released. So very exciting stuff.
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  Sam, we're going to get wrapped. We're going to get close to
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  wrapping it up because I've already kept you almost an hour
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  and a half and I want to be respectful of your time.
• 1:25:20
  And this has been a great conversation, by the way.
• 1:25:22
  I don't want to downplay it at all.
• 1:25:24
  I've been, like I said, I could, I could make a, I can make hour
• 1:25:28
  long, hours long conversations about just these topics alone
• 1:25:33
  instead of trying to divest it and, and break it all out.
• 1:25:36
  So definitely appreciate you going into the details that you
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  have. So as we move towards wrapping
• 1:25:43
  up, I, I always like to throw out just some random kind of
• 1:25:47
  rapid fire what whatever first comes to your mind, answers
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  right, Nothing right, nothing wrong in particular, just what
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  comes to your heart. So if you're cool with that, I'm
• 1:25:55
  going to run through those at this.
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  Point. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Shoot. All right, you're going into a
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  crisis. What room would you want to take
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  with you? Oh Uros, Good one.
• 1:26:12
  Yeah. Definitely good one.
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  I've had some interesting things happened with me for in my life
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  and and Uros has has made its those horns came up or down
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  however you want to look, you know.
• 1:26:26
  Yeah, well, I could go into more detail if you want about Urus or
• 1:26:31
  you just want to do the quick fire.
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  So you know what? We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll,
• 1:26:35
  we'll divert. We'll, we'll divert off the path
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  a little bit. But yeah, go ahead.
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  Give me, give me, give me some juicy deets on on.
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  Urus. Yeah, I'm sure.
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  Well, in Yeah, going into a challenge.
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  Urus is is the ruin of strength and power.
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  Of course universal power, but I'll give an example of how I've
• 1:26:51
  used it. So I do martial arts as well.
• 1:26:53
  I've I've practiced in a few different disciplines, but I
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  started a crab Marga practice with a particular school in
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  Western Sydney and I was having a bit of trouble with my kicks.
• 1:27:07
  My legs weren't just firing in the right way and I put Urus on
• 1:27:12
  my shoes with combined with Thorazas, which means focus.
• 1:27:17
  And it's it's the rune of Thor and of course the frost giants.
• 1:27:21
  And within a a week or two, I was kicking the shit of out of
• 1:27:24
  everyone at the at the studio. It was great and my kicks
• 1:27:29
  improved out of sight. Wow.
• 1:27:32
  And I would, I would attribute that that to putting the rune
• 1:27:35
  Urus and Thorazas together on my shoes and it it made a hell of a
• 1:27:39
  difference. So that's an example of, hey,
• 1:27:41
  you can use them in a practical sense.
• 1:27:45
  Very cool. All right, this is kind of an
• 1:27:49
  interesting 1. I don't, you know, I had a
• 1:27:51
  reservation about asking this, but would you, would you or
• 1:27:54
  would you not ever recommend a rune to people just getting into
• 1:27:57
  runic study? Like I don't go into that one
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  just yet. You're not ready for it kind of
• 1:28:02
  thing. Like do you have like A and you
• 1:28:05
  know yes or no? But you can you can dive deeper
• 1:28:08
  into your answer if you want. Yeah, well, I tend to notice
• 1:28:13
  that some people have a passing knowledge of rooms.
• 1:28:16
  So I wouldn't say start working with one in particular.
• 1:28:20
  My advice is really dive into one and start working with the
• 1:28:23
  whole system. But what I have noticed that
• 1:28:26
  people around the, around the industry that I'm in or the,
• 1:28:31
  the, the places that I go and the books I've read, algae is,
• 1:28:35
  is a very common room that a lot of people know as a protection
• 1:28:38
  room. So as an introductory rune,
• 1:28:42
  that's a good one I suppose to start with if you're committed
• 1:28:46
  to going deeper. But yeah, as, as everyone knows,
• 1:28:49
  it's a protection rune. It's a rune of the elk.
• 1:28:52
  And I use it quite a lot in my own protection work,
• 1:28:55
  particularly when I'm at shows to protect my energy from, you
• 1:28:58
  know, a bleed of other people that may have negative thoughts
• 1:29:01
  and whatever that they aren't aware of.
• 1:29:03
  So yeah, that would be one that I would highlight.
• 1:29:08
  Good one. I actually have a kind of a Side
• 1:29:11
  Story about Al geese and myself. I I was doing some I was on the
• 1:29:17
  property of a local man in our area.
• 1:29:20
  He's an elder of our heathen community here and his property
• 1:29:23
  had sustained some damage from storms.
• 1:29:28
  And so he had a lot of trees that had come down around his
• 1:29:31
  property. And there was this, there was
• 1:29:34
  this one large red oak tree that had been struck by lightning
• 1:29:39
  split down the middle. And there was a big, you know,
• 1:29:42
  he was cutting it up for firewood.
• 1:29:43
  But he's like, you know, anything that's on this tree
• 1:29:46
  that you want, obviously, you know, feel free to, you know, to
• 1:29:51
  take, if you want to craft with it, if you want to make
• 1:29:53
  something, if you know something speaks to you and you know, you
• 1:29:56
  know, while we're harvesting this tree, feel free.
• 1:30:00
  And I'm working through the brush and everything and, and I
• 1:30:03
  found this, you know, still part of it.
• 1:30:06
  This, this one branch that, you know, I could see algae's in the
• 1:30:12
  shape of the, of the branch. And it was I, I, I cut the piece
• 1:30:16
  of it off and I took it home with me and I processed that.
• 1:30:19
  I got the bark down to the where it was nothing but that, that
• 1:30:21
  beautiful red oak color. And I have it.
• 1:30:26
  It's about, you know, a little bit taller than me, you know, so
• 1:30:28
  close to about 6 foot or so staff and it's almost perfectly
• 1:30:32
  straight. And at the top is 3 branches
• 1:30:34
  that make the algaes. Rune Wow.
• 1:30:38
  I love that. That that's special, Yeah.
• 1:30:42
  Literally, you know a rune staff on on my staff from a tree that
• 1:30:46
  was touched by the Thunderer himself.
• 1:30:49
  Yeah, I love that. That's amazing.
• 1:30:52
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so back to the whole
• 1:30:55
  thing now. So OK, next one I got for you
• 1:30:58
  without an explanation. I'm just going to give you 2
• 1:31:01
  words. Can you tell me which one is
• 1:31:04
  what makes you more sather or gaulder?
• 1:31:08
  Gaulder. I kind of, I kind of was
• 1:31:13
  thinking that's going to be the answer just given the
• 1:31:15
  conversation we've had tonight. But yeah.
• 1:31:18
  Absolutely. Can you tell us one thing that
• 1:31:22
  Odin has taught you the hard way?
• 1:31:27
  One thing, well, yeah. Well, like I mentioned before,
• 1:31:30
  the the process with with the GUI was meditation.
• 1:31:35
  That was I had to go through a nine day process to learn that.
• 1:31:38
  And oh, there's so many different examples that that
• 1:31:42
  I've had. But I think with Odin nothing
• 1:31:45
  comes easy. So I think everything has come
• 1:31:48
  the hard way through Odin. Gotcha.
• 1:31:51
  All right. Last rapid fire one, you've
• 1:31:54
  spent a lot of time under, we'll say, Odin's tutelage.
• 1:31:58
  And from those experiences or from just your living
• 1:32:03
  experience, what do you think Odin is maybe asking or trying
• 1:32:09
  to get through to people right now?
• 1:32:14
  Yeah, well, one thing that I've noticed from my own personal
• 1:32:18
  practice as well is trying to reactivate the old ways of
• 1:32:25
  living and the old ways of of operating and and practicing in
• 1:32:31
  people, particularly of European ancestry.
• 1:32:33
  What I've noticed is a lot of people of European ancestry
• 1:32:38
  aren't aware of their ancestry or the practices of their
• 1:32:41
  ancestors. You see a lot of people in the
• 1:32:44
  spiritual industry in particular, practicing practices
• 1:32:50
  that are not of their own people.
• 1:32:51
  And a lot of it comes from Eastern influences like
• 1:32:54
  Kundalini and yoga and, and all of that kind of stuff.
• 1:32:59
  And there's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:33:00
  I'm not criticizing those ways of, of, of being.
• 1:33:03
  They're very powerful in their own right.
• 1:33:06
  But I believe that people of European ancestry, they have
• 1:33:11
  these old ways in their blood, literally.
• 1:33:13
  And when you take advantage and really reconnect with your DNA
• 1:33:18
  and your blood and your ancestry, because our ancestors
• 1:33:21
  live within us in our bodies, then that's when you really
• 1:33:25
  reconnect with who you are and, and the old gods and the old
• 1:33:28
  ways of living. So that's the advice I would
• 1:33:31
  give people, is to really reconnect with your ancestry.
• 1:33:37
  And then that reconnects you with the old ways of living that
• 1:33:41
  your ancestors experienced. And that just opens up so many
• 1:33:45
  doors for you, as it has for me, as I described earlier about my
• 1:33:49
  journey when I reconnected with my ancestry, it just opened up
• 1:33:53
  everything that I practice now. And I'm extremely grateful to
• 1:33:57
  the gods and to the runes for presenting themselves to me the
• 1:34:01
  way that they have because it's enriched my life beyond measure,
• 1:34:07
  you know? Yeah.
• 1:34:09
  Sounds like it, man. And everything that you've
• 1:34:10
  described, it's, you know, and this is going to be like for,
• 1:34:14
  you know, obviously we've made it over an hour and a half now.
• 1:34:16
  But you know, this isn't to me is like an episode of because
• 1:34:21
  I've had I've had academics on here.
• 1:34:22
  I've had people who are more on the reconstructionist side of
• 1:34:25
  things. They, they don't devalue UPG or,
• 1:34:29
  or more of the you know, I'll say woo woo side of things,
• 1:34:32
  quote UN quote, that they just have them a different, they they
• 1:34:35
  look at heathen refruit through a different lens.
• 1:34:38
  I'm a bit more middle of the road kind of guy.
• 1:34:40
  I love the historical backing of things and I love to know where
• 1:34:44
  things came from and why they are the way they are now.
• 1:34:47
  And but how it how we move forth with it and how we carry it
• 1:34:51
  forth. And I love hearing people's own
• 1:34:53
  experiences. It's it.
• 1:34:57
  It just goes to show you how you know there's no real right way.
• 1:35:02
  You know, how it how we experience our existence and how
• 1:35:07
  we experience that truth comes in various forms and it all
• 1:35:12
  aligns with spirit, all it all aligns with source, but the name
• 1:35:17
  that it takes the veneer, the aesthetic, the you know, it,
• 1:35:21
  it's, it's variable. You know what I mean?
• 1:35:23
  Different cultures are going to have a different look, different
• 1:35:25
  thing. But the way, the old way, it
• 1:35:28
  aligns with with that, that old source.
• 1:35:31
  So, and just hearing people's experience of, of living that
• 1:35:35
  and, and coming to, to, to realize that it's, it's
• 1:35:38
  beautiful. And I appreciate you taking the
• 1:35:40
  time to to share yours with us. Thank you, Jesse.
• 1:35:44
  Yeah, it's it's, you're quite welcome.
• 1:35:46
  And I'm, I'm, I feel privileged to be on your show and to share
• 1:35:50
  this, this information with you and and your viewers and
• 1:35:54
  listeners. Like like you said, we could
• 1:35:57
  talk for quite a, quite a while longer on this topic.
• 1:35:59
  There's much more to share. I've experienced so much in just
• 1:36:03
  such a short time. But yeah, I understand we've got
• 1:36:06
  a time limit and we we don't want to keep keep going for too
• 1:36:11
  long. Maybe we could revisit it at
• 1:36:13
  another time. Oh, for sure.
• 1:36:14
  You know, I, I, I keep the door open for.
• 1:36:17
  I don't think I've had, I don't think I've ever had a guest in
• 1:36:20
  the last seven seasons where I said, well, this was great, but
• 1:36:23
  I'm never going to want you back on the show again.
• 1:36:24
  I don't think that's ever happened.
• 1:36:27
  But yeah, so I, I keep the door open, right, like, or I leave
• 1:36:29
  the an open invitation. I'll say, you know, so maybe
• 1:36:33
  after the book comes out or something else comes down the
• 1:36:36
  road later on that you'd like to reach back out.
• 1:36:39
  Love to have you back on the show, Sam.
• 1:36:41
  It would be, it would be wonderful to, to catch back up
• 1:36:44
  again. If you ever find yourself on
• 1:36:47
  this side of the world and you're looking for, you know, a
• 1:36:50
  place to, to to rest your head. Just send me an e-mail.
• 1:36:54
  If you're in Tennessee or coming through, let me know.
• 1:36:56
  We'll, we'll figure something out.
• 1:36:58
  So in the in the hospitality and you know all that.
• 1:37:03
  Yeah, well, likewise if you're in in Australia.
• 1:37:07
  I'd love to, man. I, I, I, I've never been, of
• 1:37:09
  course, but I would love to. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll make it
• 1:37:11
  out that way one day. Yeah, well, it's a, it's a long
• 1:37:15
  way from where you are, but yeah, I'm intending to visit the
• 1:37:18
  United States maybe this year. There's something that I've got
• 1:37:20
  planned that I've been talking with someone over there about
• 1:37:23
  South and the southern states. I definitely want to visit.
• 1:37:26
  I've been drawn to the to actually, when you said you were
• 1:37:29
  from Tennessee, I'm like, oh, I'm actually going to go to
• 1:37:31
  Tennessee when I'm in the US. So it'll, it'll definitely be,
• 1:37:35
  it is definitely on the cards or on the rune, so to speak.
• 1:37:38
  Yeah, Yeah, yeah. We'll see.
• 1:37:39
  Maybe, maybe Rydo will. Maybe Rydo will.
• 1:37:42
  Will move us in that direction. We'll see, right?
• 1:37:46
  Yeah, absolutely. Cool, Sam.
• 1:37:48
  Hey, listen, before we wrap this up, is there anything that you'd
• 1:37:51
  like to say to the audience? Parting words, places they can
• 1:37:54
  find you, Anything like that? Well, yeah, you can follow me on
• 1:38:00
  social media. I'm on Instagram, I'm on
• 1:38:02
  Facebook. I'm probably most active on
• 1:38:04
  Facebook. Seems to be where I can share a
• 1:38:07
  bit more on there, a bit more compatible with what I share.
• 1:38:10
  I have a TikTok page as well, have a website, it's
• 1:38:14
  www.shyphendhyphenbartlett.com and that's a new website.
• 1:38:23
  So I have a few things that I'm sharing on there and I'm that's
• 1:38:26
  under construction at the moment.
• 1:38:28
  So keep an eye on that for an announcement for, for
• 1:38:31
  announcements. But yeah, there's one thing
• 1:38:33
  that's coming after Odin's tutelage or it's coming soon
• 1:38:36
  that I'm going to share with people.
• 1:38:37
  It's in regards to what I've learnt from, you know, this way
• 1:38:42
  of life, but also martial arts related and it's connected to
• 1:38:47
  the ulfeathnar and you would know about the ulfeathnar and so
• 1:38:51
  would your, your viewers. So there's something coming
• 1:38:54
  about that that's that I'm quite excited about.
• 1:38:56
  And after Odin's tutelage is out of the way, I'll be focusing on
• 1:39:01
  that as well. Awesome.
• 1:39:03
  We're definitely excited to to to see the updates with all that
• 1:39:08
  as well. So for sure people check out the
• 1:39:10
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• 1:39:12
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• 1:39:21
  So thank you Sam again for being here.
• 1:39:23
  Don't go anywhere. I'll wrap with you here in just
• 1:39:25
  a minute. But for all the listeners and
• 1:39:28
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• 1:40:00
  smile upon you, and we'll see you in the next one.