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Mac & Bone Hour 2: Panthers Repeating & Brandon Miller's Big Night · Mac & Bone Podcast

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's a team sport, so we really can't
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: say when there's one person out there, because there's 10
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: other guys out there. So we just continue to come
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: together as one, and make sure that we are all
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: holding ourselves accountable for our job.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: What does that accountability look like?
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, when I look at them, we all
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: know what we did or what was out of place.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: And like I said, it was just every phase of
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: the team yesterday had a part of that. So just
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: going to look back at it, you know, and just
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: making sure that this game we come out and find
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: ourselves in.
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: There you go. That is Turk Warden trying to explain
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: the unexplainable, how a team can run it 81% of
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: the time. You know it's coming and do that to
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: you for 258 yards. That was him in the locker
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: room yesterday. It couldn't help my ears.
• 1:15
  Speaker 3: Finney, can you play that real quick one more time?
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: Just beginning. I think there was– was it me on
• 1:21
  Speaker 3: my headset? Was there something going on in the background
• 1:23
  Speaker 3: there of that? Can you hit it, Finney, real quick,
• 1:26
  Speaker 3: if you don't mind?
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  Speaker 2: I think– No, it's a team sport. That sounds like
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: table tennis. It's already being texted about. It is already
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: being texted about. Before you could even say it on
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: the air, Casey in Mooresville was, among others, was texting
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: about it. Casey says, so tired of the damn pitch.
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: Ping pong in the background after a blowout. This dude says,
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: how does Canalis not go in there and say, I'm
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: taking your paddle and balls this way?
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: Phrasing was funny there. We'll start with paddles. What if
• 2:06
  Speaker 3: we find out, what if the fans find out that's
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: Averro back there playing? Averro and a Caleb Evans?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb, if you beat me, you get to play this week.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: I guess he couldn't play with a tricep injury. Maybe
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: that's how he got hurt. There you go. Anyway, I
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: am not going to.
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  Speaker 5: I am not.
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  Speaker 2: Rachel says, ain't no way, LOL. I am not going
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  Speaker 2: to do what a lot of radio hosts would do.
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to yell about how they shouldn't be
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: allowed to play ping pong after they lost. They should
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: still be allowed to hang out and play. And in
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: the locker room, but I don't know if it, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if this is what the fan base wants
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  Speaker 2: to hear in the background.
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  Speaker 3: I'm okay with it, Mac, unless they get beat by
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  Speaker 3: 40 or they give up 40 plus if they lose
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  Speaker 3: by like three, seven, 10.
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  Speaker 2: All right, go ahead and do your thing. You lost.
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  Speaker 2: So this would be a no ping pong.
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  Speaker 3: There's a, there's a no ping pong after a certain
• 3:06
  Speaker 3: blowout loss rule. If you give up 200 yards rushing,
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: there goes your paddles. This Dexter says, too much gentle
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  Speaker 3: parenting going on.
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  Speaker 2: That is true. Me and Mrs. McBoat probably aren't like
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  Speaker 2: my dad, as stern as we should be. Maybe I'm
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: wrong in saying they should be allowed to still play.
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: No paddles if I need paddles during the game watching
• 3:29
  Speaker 3: you play run defense.
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  Speaker 2: This is a great text 704 number guys don't focus
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  Speaker 2: on the fact that fans are triggered that guys are
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: enjoying themselves with a leisurely game of ping pong after
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: a loss how about the length of the rallies these
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: guys have gotten really good That is true. The ball
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: never stops. When someone's talking, the whole answer seems to
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: be covered with one long point of amazing rallies.
• 3:56
  Speaker 3: That's a very good observation. It's like Federer-Nadal back then. Now,
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: I will say— Nadal, Bo, Nadal.
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  Speaker 6: Not Nadal. It's Nadal.
• 4:04
  Speaker 3: Don't you disrespect the greatest clay court tennis player of
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  Speaker 3: all time. I want to gouge your eyeballs out right now.
• 4:09
  Speaker 3: Tennis City is upset. Bebop said they should be watching film.
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  Speaker 3: In fairness, we don't know who's playing. That could be
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  Speaker 3: staff members of... you know, the team, the non-coach. That
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  Speaker 3: could be just the ball boys crying out loud. We
• 4:22
  Speaker 3: don't know who's actually playing. We need Vashti or Sheena
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  Speaker 3: to go turn the phone this way so we can
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  Speaker 3: actually see the culprits.
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  Speaker 2: This 704 number says settle down, everybody. JJ doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: anything else to do anyway. He's playing a little ping pong.
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  Speaker 2: Get off his back.
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  Speaker 3: Someone says we're going to feel really bad when we
• 4:42
  Speaker 3: take JJ's games away.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, geez. Oh, here's something you're going to love. By
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  Speaker 2: the way, there's a topic we're getting into. What things
• 4:52
  Speaker 2: that sucked on Sunday? Are you afraid? Are you terrified
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  Speaker 2: that they'll keep showing up? And are there things on
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: Sunday that were bad that you feel like that's not
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  Speaker 2: going to happen over and over again? So we'll talk
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: about that in a second. But here is a name
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: bone that has been all over Twitter and all over
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: the text line. Somebody says Sean McDermott lives right down
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: the road. How do you feel about the McDermott mentions?
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  Speaker 3: Are we talking about Sean McDermott to replace a Vero here?
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  Speaker 2: Most people are. This one makes it sound like just
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  Speaker 2: get rid of, which you can't do with the improvements
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  Speaker 2: they've made every year.
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  Speaker 3: But let me say it again. Sean McDermott is not
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  Speaker 3: taking a DC job now because, November, December or January,
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  Speaker 3: he will be one of the hottest names on the
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  Speaker 3: coaching market that can maybe pick back which job he
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: wants of the ones that come open. Why would he
• 5:47
  Speaker 3: take a D.C. job at this point when he's going
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  Speaker 3: to get a new job in two months anyway? He's
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  Speaker 3: not going to do that. He's already at a level.
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  Speaker 2: Being paid to sit out and watch football and vacation
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: right now and now if you had a thought now
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  Speaker 2: i don't agree with it but if you said hey
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  Speaker 2: if this thing went way sideways and would he ever
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  Speaker 2: be the head coach here that's a different discussion down
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  Speaker 2: the line but he's never going to be a dc
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: unless he goes to another job it doesn't work out
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  Speaker 2: sean mcdermott is a head.
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  Speaker 3: Coach in this league not a defensive coordinator especially mac
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  Speaker 3: not in the middle of a season no and like
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  Speaker 3: i said.
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  Speaker 2: How much money did they pay him to go away
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  Speaker 2: in buffalo Because I think what people are saying is,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't they replace Averro with McDermott in the offseason?
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  Speaker 2: He would have told you I'm good. I just got
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  Speaker 2: paid millions to sit on my rear end. He's doing
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  Speaker 2: like a.
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  Speaker 3: Tour around the country of watching other teams play.
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  Speaker 2: He's ready to be a head coach, man. He deserves that.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a theory, by the way, on the ping pong table.
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: It's David Moore practicing hand-eye coordination for his punt returns. Oh, God,
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: we are snarky. We are a snarky bunch, Panther Nation.
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  Speaker 2: All right, anyway, hopefully on Thursday they will make us
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: less snarky, but I don't know. So what do you
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  Speaker 2: think about this question, Bone? I want to paddle back
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: and forth a little bit here with you. Serve it up.
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: Let's start with this stuff. Let's start without sugarcoating it, right?
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow I might be back in max sugarcoating positive mode,
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  Speaker 2: but not right now. What are the things from the game? Like,
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: is it run defense? Is it O-line? Like, what are
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  Speaker 2: the things from the game you fear, oh, that weakness
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: is going to be here all season? I think it
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  Speaker 2: has to be. I think it has to be the
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  Speaker 2: run defense. I mean, I know they've had good moments,
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  Speaker 2: but when it happens twice in a season where you
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: get completely gutted for over 200 yards, that has to
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: be a constant concern going into games. I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: just it just is not saying it's going to happen
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  Speaker 2: every week, but it's still it's in your mind of, hey,
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: could this week be one of those weeks where the
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  Speaker 2: run defense just completely no shows? The thing is, the
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  Speaker 2: book is kind of... It's weird.
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  Speaker 3: Because they did better against the better backs, but you
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  Speaker 3: brought up the great point. When they got leads, they
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  Speaker 3: were able to contain B.
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  Speaker 2: Johnny Gibbs. Yeah, like Gibbs ran 15 times, but Tampa
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: ran 48 times. Like it's, and I forget how many
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: times Chicago ran it, but they ran it a bunch.
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  Speaker 2: Like they got the lead there in the third quarter.
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like, or they pulled away in the
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  Speaker 2: third quarter. I just, I don't know. The run defense
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  Speaker 2: feels very sometimey to me. I certainly would not bet
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  Speaker 2: my money, your money, anybody's money. I would not bet
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  Speaker 2: that we do not give up 200 yards again in
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  Speaker 2: the game. Because if somebody, if the game breaks right
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  Speaker 2: and somebody commits to it and they just keep wearing
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  Speaker 2: down our defense at over 36 minutes time of possession bone,
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  Speaker 2: that defense got worn down. I could see it happen again.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to happen like every week.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that I think is going to be a
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: problem damn near every week is pass protection. That, like,
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: that to me, Taylor Moten's now out. The icky injury
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: update was, again, not reassuring. It was just a lot of,
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: you know, basically nothing in terms of the injury update yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: So it doesn't seem like he's coming back anytime soon.
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  Speaker 2: I just, Rob Hunt, like, is he going to get
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: better at any point here? I just fear between the
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: tackles and Rob Hunt, Bone, and actually Fortner's been better
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  Speaker 2: the last couple weeks. I hadn't really been cussing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: while watching him play. But I just feel like that's
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: the one thing I'll point to.
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  Speaker 3: We've been watching Rob Hunt wander around the field.
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: Big time, big time. The penalties haven't helped either. But
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  Speaker 2: I think pass pro is the number one thing. Because
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  Speaker 2: even when Bryce was playing well, Bone, he was one
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  Speaker 2: of the most pressured quarterbacks in the NFL. I just
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  Speaker 2: feel like Bryce is going to have to overcome it,
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: and they're going to have to scheme it up. Like
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  Speaker 2: Canales said yesterday, Bone, he was asked about dealing with
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  Speaker 2: the pressure. And he says, well, what you got to
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  Speaker 2: do is you got to get the ball out of
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  Speaker 2: Bryce's hands. We have to do a better job of
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  Speaker 2: giving Bryce options on quick throws. Well, why the heck
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: could you not do more of that? They ran a
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: couple of the RPO slants, but where was more of that?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess the RPOs don't work quite as
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: well when they feel like, oh, they don't even need
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: to run it. I don't need to respect the run.
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: We're beating them by 20. But I just feel like, Bone,
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: the quick passing game should have been something they should
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: have done more of on Sunday. And Cannell seemed to
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: be admitting it yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good point to tie up what we just
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: said together, because I said the run defense, you said
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: protecting and the offensive line. So just a line play
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  Speaker 3: in general seems to be a concern going forward, whether
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: or not you think it's the offensive line. The run
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: defense feels like a line play is where a lot
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: of the concerns are at right now. Because I know
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: that the corners, you could say, are concerned, but there's
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  Speaker 3: help on the way with our guys coming back eventually.
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: So that's a good thing. Although they will be a
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: concern for the here and now. There is no doubt
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: about it. And where did Dan Morgan want to build
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: this team? In the trenches. The offensive line, Bone, the
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: Panthers have spent $ 26 million more on the offensive line
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  Speaker 2: than any other team. And look at it right now. Now, granted,
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: in fairness, Icky and Moten, your two starting tackles, have
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: been out. But man, the overall on Fortner has not
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: been a great signing. And obviously, Rob Hunt has not
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: been near what he was at his best um defensive
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: line bony those two edges that they were missing are
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: your best run defending edge players and nick scorton and
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: jaylen phillips so i think that played a role but
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: they've given up 12 200 yard games in the last
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: three years so i can't you know what i mean
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: you can't blame it all on two edge rushers not
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: being there no no it's uh It's amazing, Mac, how
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: we feel today with the concerns compared to.
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: You know how we say it's a week-to-week league? Think
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: about how we felt last Tuesday and how confident we were,
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: how good we were feeling compared to.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: I know that a lot of.
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: Fan bases deal with that, but that was not just
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: a loss to Tampa. That was a very humbling... Two
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: steps back loss the other day. There's a difference in losses.
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: That was one where we got smacked right in the face.
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  Speaker 3: And it happens way too often. When Canales teams lose,
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  Speaker 3: it's often a face smacker. And that's what this texter
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: brings up, Bone. 704 number.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, the thing from Sunday that I fear we're going
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: to see, not all the time, but sporadically, is getting embarrassed.
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: It seems like that is something that every few weeks,
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: even going back to last year, is going to happen, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: and I can't explain why. I can't explain why either, Bone. Like,
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: a normal loss would be nice. Two of our three
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: losses were pretty damn embarrassing, where the defense looked hideous,
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: and we turned it over all in the same game.
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: And you saw last year, beatdowns last year. They're capable
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: of really good efforts, right? They've proved that the Detroit
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: game was really good last year with the Rams win
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: and the Packers win. But they are capable of looking
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: like one of the worst teams in the league any
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: given week, and that is scary.
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: And when you just look at their results so far
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: and you see 59-37 week one and then 43-13 week seven.
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: But you also see verse next to Chicago and Tampa.
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  Speaker 3: To have it happen twice at home where you give
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: up 59-43. I mean, do playoff teams, Matt, and I
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  Speaker 3: know that they're in a division where you can be one,
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  Speaker 3: but do good teams, playoff caliber teams, give up 59
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  Speaker 3: and 43 at home in the first half of the
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  Speaker 3: season like that?
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: No, they don't, honestly. Maybe in the NFC South they do,
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: but that's... But to be an actual good contending team?
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: Hell no. Yeah, like you would think, no, again, it's
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: a long season, Bone. But they have to figure out
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: a way to get more consistent and not have these
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: hideous moments, man.
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: They absolutely need to. We need to grill this cheese
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: on Thursday. Grill the cheese.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: That's our victory formula for this week. How do we
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: grill the cheese? I like that mantra.
• 13:53
  Speaker 6: You put mayo or butter on your bread.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: I wasn't looking for actual answers, Vinny. Adam and Gastonia,
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: how is a D-line with Derrick Brown on it giving
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  Speaker 2: up rushing performances like this? I seriously want to know
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  Speaker 2: the answer.
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  Speaker 6: Because Derrick Brown isn't the same Derrick Brown.
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: What happened, Fitty?
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  Speaker 7: I think we maybe let a guy walk in free
• 14:13
  Speaker 7: agency that I told you there was going to come
• 14:15
  Speaker 7: games that we would be upset about our run defense,
• 14:19
  Speaker 7: and he was wearing the opponent's.
• 14:21
  Speaker 6: Uniform on Sunday.
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  Speaker 7: Those two guys complimented each other, man.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: A'shaun Robinson, to your point, was extremely underrated. Extremely underrated.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: And it's not a slight of these other dudes.
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  Speaker 6: They're just not. I mean, A'shaun was a top 10
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  Speaker 6: run defender in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: A year ago.
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  Speaker 6: To me, it's not an accident you've had the issues
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: that you've had.
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  Speaker 2: I also don't know, Mac, if DB's healthy. See, that's
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: where I was going to go.
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  Speaker 7: Because if not, then this is really eye-opening and alarming
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  Speaker 7: because this isn't the DB we're used to seeing.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I heard KB bringing it up last week, and I
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: was reminded of the fact that a few weeks back,
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: he would be on the side during practice but not
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: be on the injury report. That's true. And he wasn't
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: listed as rest all the time. Like, KB brought it
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: up as something going on there with an injury. I
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: do feel like Bone, he had five tackles the other day,
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: all in the run game. He had three of them
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: were stops. He batted down a pass. Like, I do
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: feel like he had some good moments the other day,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: but he also had moments where he was getting shoved
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: around up front. No doubt about it. Is there anything, Bone,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: at the risk of asking a positive question and not
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: reading the room?
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: No.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: In the city of Charlotte right now, I'm going to ask,
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: is there anything that stunk on Sunday that you feel
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: like that was an aberration? That's not going to happen
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: most weeks. Bryce.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: The turnovers.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bryce.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think Bryce is above that.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he can't have off games, but I
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: think that Bryce is more of the guy we have
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: seen the good version this year. than the negative version
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: and the bad version. Not saying that can't show up.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: He's not above that. But I think that good Bryce
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: is going to show up more times than not. Yeah,
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: I'm with you guys on that. I also think just
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: the offense in general. Like, I feel like, you know,
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: y'all said, Fitty said turnovers. I feel like Idzik will
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: have answers.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Dave Canales yesterday said, oh, well,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: we've got to get more short pass options for Brightwell.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: It's like, that would have been nice on Sunday at
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: some point during the game, but I feel like they're
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: going to be prepared for games like that now. And
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: it's weird because in Detroit, it felt like they only
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: had the perfect game plan for an offensive line that
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: was struggling in pass pro, and Aiden Hutchinson was coming
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: into town. Right away from him. And I don't know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: it probably has to do with the fact that Tampa's
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: pass rush hadn't done diddly-poo this season. And listen, it's depressing.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Yaya Diaby looked like Aiden Hutchinson with three sacks. Tampa
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: 31st in pressure rate coming into the game, 24. So
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: maybe they underestimated that pass rush and thought they could
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: hold up. You know, that might have been what it is.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Can I give you one more or two more concerns, Mac?
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: That's the health, the continuing health of Damian Lewis and
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Jalen Coker as well.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I know yesterday was more of like a walkthrough, but
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: yet there's we had to figure out like what their
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: status is back. It always feels like we love Jalen Coker,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: but there's always something that he's dealing with.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: That kind of concerns me a little bit there. He's
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: got a shoulder thing going on now. So and Damian
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Lewis has been hurt all year. Those are two very
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: important guys that it just seems like every week we're
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: going to have to kind of worry about their status.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: They are.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: They are.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Well, my week is gone already. So now they're got
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: to play through a lot of these things.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. We'll see what's going on, how serious
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: those injuries are. But both are extremely important, no doubt.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Swede T says, what happens when they play the Vikings?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: We pray for Bryce. I will go back to my
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Catholic school upbringing, and I will pray the rosary, Bo.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I will bead by bead, I will pray the rosary
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: for Bryce Young that week. No doubt about it. That's
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: when you say, Bryce, how's your arm feeling this week?
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I'm fine.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Your shoulder hurt at all? We could use picket out
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: there today. Sacrifice picket.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Ha ha ha! Poor Kenny P, baby. Poor Kenny P.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: This text or bone has an answer to why McDermott
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: would take one of the coaching jobs here in Charlotte.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: They now have a Wegmans. He would feel at home.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: He would be Buffalo without the crap-ass weather. It's a
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: point that's hard to counter. Yeah, touche, sir.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: When we come back, Mac, we're going to talk about
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: all these defensive struggles, what exactly might be wrong with
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Derek Brown, a man that knows far more than we do.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Brenton Buckner, longtime coach and player in the league, joins
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: us for a Panthers breakdown next on Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ. Y'all are lively out there on
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the text line. Still ticked. I do not blame you.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I have the feeling. Some of you using good humor, though,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: to try to get through it, baby.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Ice cream?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: No, but that's an option, too. That is a very
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: delicious ice cream bar. It's an option as well. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: will give you this. Well, there are two stats, Bone,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: that sum up what's been going on here with this
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Panthers M.O. under Dave Canales. The one is that they
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: are now 0-6 when playing a game where they have
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: an over 500 record. Five times last year, they have
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: been one game over 500 and haven't been able to
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: get to two games over 500, and then the game
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: on Sunday. The flip side of that is, Bone, the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: last two seasons, they are 8-3 after losses. So that
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: is defining, and you end up mediocre, by the way,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: when you do those two things, but that is kind
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: of defining what is becoming. They're getting better. They really
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: rise up after games like this. Sorry, I just used
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: a stupid Falcon saying, but they also can't deal with
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the slightest bit of, I'm talking about a two-game win
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: streak type of prosperity they cannot deal with, apparently.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Here's another stat. The Panthers are 0-3 this year, and
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: on the Tuesdays following all three losses, we brought on
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Brenton Buckner to try to explain what happened the previous game.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I apologized to him on the text. I said, I'm
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: sorry we're doing this after a loss, but can you
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: join us? And Buck is always a gentleman, always willing
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to come on. Because we need his insight on what
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: went wrong. We need things explained to us. And Brenton Buckner,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: former D-lineman for your Carolina Panthers, among other teams, joins
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: us here on the Mac and Bone Show. Buck, what's
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: going on? Buck, does it annoy you that we only
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: have asked you after losses this year? If so, it's
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Mac's idea.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, it really is. Really irritating.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to make that good. Buck's like, Mac,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I'm actually not joking this time, Mac. All right, well,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I apologize. It's just that we want explanations, but maybe
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: we'll find. Next lost bone, note to selves, let's find
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: like Al Wallace or someone else to explain for that week.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: You should put Mac on your podcast, Buck, every time
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: his youth soccer team loses.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Mac, what the hell are you doing? All right.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Buck.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: So, and I think another thing is like the bears game.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: When we talked to you after, I think a lot
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: of people are firing questions that they want you asked
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: about the run defense. Like, like when you were watching
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: that game, were you feeling like, because I keep hearing
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: about the counter runs that the bucks were running. Someone's saying,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: ask Buck about the two gap runs and all this. Like,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: were they being schemed to where they were doing something
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that we were not like adjusting to or ready for?
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Were they being manhandled a little bit of both? Like,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: how would you describe it?
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: From a scheme point of view, I thought Tampa did
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: a great job of moving the gaps on the move
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: by running gap schemes where they pull people. They use
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: wide receivers to pull. But one run that I kept
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: on seeing showing up where they was running the crunch play.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: And the crunch play is where you got a tight
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: end off the ball. He whams on the three technique.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: They trap the two-eye. They insert the wide receiver to
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: crack on the safety, and they was making the cornerback
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: have to run replace the sack. on the inside gaps,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: which is extremely hard for cornerbacks because they don't want
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: to go in it. And they was creating angles on
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: the best players, whamming of Dee Brown. They was getting
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: a crack back on Devin Lord and the inside linebackers,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: and they was forcing the cornerbacks to have to tackle.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: And if your cornerback is not super aggressive or not
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: used to feeling in there, or don't want to stick
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: your face in the fan, that's a six to seven
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: yard game. And if he makes that cornerback or that
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: defensive back miss, then you're going to get the long runs.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: And they continually, you know, they did it. And I
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: want to say that sooner or later, I was thinking
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: the football IQ of the defensive players got to kick in.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: I've seen this formation before. I've seen this motion. This
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: tight end is off. Oh, let me anticipate this play.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I just didn't see no anticipation because I think Carolina
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: defense started to panic after a while. And once you
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: start to panic as a defensive guy, the building is
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: crumbling now because you're going to have guys getting out
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: of their gaps, guys going to try to make plays
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: when they shouldn't make a play, especially on double teams sometimes.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Sometimes on a double team, you just got to sit
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: there and hold ground and like, hey, my teammate got
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: to make the play. But I saw defensive linemen trying
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: to get out of double teams, and now it creates
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: a soft pocket in the run game. And Tampa kept
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: on doing it, and Carolina could never calm itself down.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Buck, it appears to us here, the common folk, that
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Derrick Brown is not necessarily having the impact that he
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: normally has with his dominant self. Are you seeing that, too?
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: And if so, what might be leading to that this year?
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Well, if you really look at it, if we know
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: David Brown is good, I'm pretty sure those 31 other
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: teams know that's the guy that we got to block.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: So they are making a conservative effort to take him
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: out of the game. They're doubling him. They're trapping him.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: They're whamming him. They're doing things to make him freeze
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: his feet and make him think. But that's what happens
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: to good defensive linemen. And they're attacking more on the edges, too,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: because the inside part of your defense is your strength,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: especially when Phillips is not there to play outside linebackers.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: So when Phillips is not there, they say, let's attack
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: the edges. The two starting corners back, Horn and Jackson,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: are big physical corners who get in the running game.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: But now your two young guys, they don't know what
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: they don't know. So those guys right there are coming
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: from college where they're usually just running nine routes and
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: eight routes and and covering and tackling bubble screens. Now
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: in the NFL, they're getting taken attack with crack tosses
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: and bounce plays, and they have to take on offensive
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: lines and tackle NFL-style running backs, so they're not seeing it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: So the run attack that's happening to Derrick Brown, he's
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: seeing a lot of different ways they're attacking him, but
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: they're attacking Carolina on the perimeter. Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And by the way, when you talk about the corners,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: we're missing two corners and multiple texters are pointing this
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: out too, Buck. You're missing Mike Jack and Horn. We
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: shouldn't just talk about their coverage because clearly they are
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: willing tacklers, physical tacklers, and the guys that are in
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: there for them, they're being called out essentially, right? Let's
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: see if you can make... a play. We're talking with
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Brinson Buckner, who is here, but not happy bone. That
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: he is the designated after a loss, explain to us guy.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: He might not be happy to talk to us after
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a win either, though. We're not sure about this.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: That is true.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: That is definitely true. Buck, on the other side of
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the ball, Buck, it was ugly. I mean, the pass
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: protection was ugly, the turnovers. The thing about Bryce's game
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: is he had been pressured previously a bunch, right, but
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: had not made those mistakes. What do you think was happening?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Is it just one of those days, or was there
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: something specific about the pressure he was facing on Sunday
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that made him make those mistakes?
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Well, I thought Tampa did a good job of getting
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: pressure up the middle, which normally forces Bryce outside the
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: pocket where he's been good on the edges. But they
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: did a good job of containing the edges, too. So
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: now Bryce had to deal with pressure in the pocket.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: They corralled him in the pocket. They wouldn't let him
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: escape to open air so he could see downfield. And
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: it sort of hurt him. But if you're a quarterback and–
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Wasn't the pressure rate one of the highs of the
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: season for any team that Tampa Bay had versus us? No,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: that gets to you. Because a lot of times, and
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: it ends up in sacks, but as a defensive line coach,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: we don't really talk about sacks. We talk about make
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: the quarterback uncomfortable. make him uncomfortable early, then the sacks
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: would come. Well, guess what? They made him uncomfortable early.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Then his offensive linemen get hurt. Then they're not playing well.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Then that domino effect started to trickle down. So now
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: those pressures became sacks. Now he's starting to rush himself.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: He can't follow through throws because he'll know somebody's at
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: his feet or he's about to get hit. And so
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: you pull back on the throws and Tampa Bay took advantage.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Buck, these Thursday night games can be kind of hard
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: to judge and predict at times. What do you feel
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: about the Packers game? What Panther team might show up?
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: And how worrisome is this matchup from the standpoint of
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: how the Packers like to attack down the field as
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: much as they do?
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, it is. It's good for one reason. You get
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: a chance to get this game behind your back because
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: you go right into the next week for the players'
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: mental mentality. But going to play a Packers team who
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: lost to Detroit, Packers just got their running back in
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs. He wasn't a big part of their running
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: game on Sunday because they threw it a lot, but
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: they're going to look at this film and say, hey,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: let's get our running game on track. We got good
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: enough wide receivers to go downtown to try to attack
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: their young cornerbacks and and put stress on Panthers defense,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: it's going to be about the Panthers. That's what you
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: try to tell your team at the loss like this.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Let's not worry about the next team. Let's worry about us.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Let's get better at us. We can't depend on what
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: they do. They're practicing just like we're practicing, but let's
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: get better at what we do. Let's be better at
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: what we do than they do and let the things go.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: And maybe going on the road, getting away from Mac negatives,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: because Mac, you can't leave the parade and the funeral.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? You know it's a parade
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: before the game, but then you're standing in the pool
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: pit and you're throwing everybody to hell after the game.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: So get away from everything. Let it calm down. Just
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: play football.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: That is a quote of all quotes. Buck, that's right
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: up there. Put that on our quote board up there.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: That's right up there, Buck, with your pressure-mates-a-monkey-to-hot-pepper quote, which,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: by the way, I don't know if you see it,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: it gets mentioned by a Panther reporter like every season.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: They bring that quote back. It's an all time great.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: But anyway, Mac, you cannot lead the parade and the
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: funeral is right up there.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: So final question, final question, Buck. And I just ask
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: you because we get it all the time, but you
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: are certainly aware, Buck, how much more knowledge you have
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: than we do. So I'm asking you, just during this conversation,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: sounds like Buck is explaining a defensive coordinator that could
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: not adjust. Sounds like Buck could do a better job
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: as D.C. than Avero. So I just want to ask you,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: did you feel like Sunday was– I know it was
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: a bad day for Averro because of what they did,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: but do you put a lot of that on coaching?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Because you know how fans are. They put a lot
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: of it on the coach.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: No, you can't put it on coach. And I've been
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: a coach. And I've been a coach. One thing I
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: can tell you, coaches spend so much time watching film,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: trying to chew it up to make it so simple
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: for our guys. But come Sunday, it's about your players, man.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: You know, a lot of times, you know, sometimes on
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Sundays that their Jimmy and Joe's are better than your
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Jimmy and Joe's. Just think. Every run defense that is
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: put into play is meant to tackle every run for
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: a zero-yard game because every gap is accounted for on
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: run defense. Believe it or not, I can show you
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: a playbook. Every gap on every run play is accounted for.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: The guys that got to do the accounting, are they
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: doing what they're supposed to do? And, you know, it's
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: nothing in that playbook can save some people. You know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: one thing that irritates me, we didn't blitz enough. Well,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: blitz is not the call for everything because blitz is
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: only work when your base defense is working and you're
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: making somebody have to, on offense, have to make ways
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: to try to, oh, we got to show focus on
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: this guy right here. Well, all right, they're going to
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: set up all the focus over there, the peps, let's
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: bring the blitz on the other side where they should
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: be weak. But if they're manhandling you or they're having success,
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: you just got to bow your back as a player. Now, coaches,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: everybody we into it. No coaches don't point the finger,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: but I don't like it all the time when y'all
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: just point at a defensive coordinator or an offensive coordinator
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: because you practice perfection. You practice these things are totally working.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: And sometimes, You don't have an answer, and that's what
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: keeps coaches up at night.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: That's what keeps us in the office. We're trying to
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: find answers. Believe me, they're trying to find answers. Sometimes
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: the players have to save us. You know, and Dick
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: LeBose used to say it all the time. I'm going
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: to call this play. They're going to have a play, too,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: because they practiced. One of y'all saved my job. You
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? And that's the pride you have. Listen,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: let's save our defensive coordinator. Let's make him right as
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: much as the offense want to make him wrong.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I like that. So the last thing I'll ask you
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: about that, the way you described that in your answer
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: was great because I got like a picture of it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: You're like, every gap is accounted for on every run play.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: So then I start thinking, OK, well, guys are out
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: of their gaps.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: You got you talk all the time about gap sound
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. What is the what what what
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: was the number one reason on Sunday where guys were
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: out of their gap? Was it another big body moving,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: you know, our big bodies or getting to our linebackers
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and moving them? Or was it like lack of discipline
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: where this dude tries to, oh, I'm a bounce out here,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: make a play. Oh, crap. I didn't do my like
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: was was it one more than the other?
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  Speaker 4: I think it started off with the way Tampa Bay
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: was moving the gaps. You know, if you're in the gaps,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: everybody come off the ball, your gap is right in
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: front of you. But when you start adding gap schemes,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: you're pulling guards, you're pulling tight ends and even wide receivers,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: those guys carry two new gaps with them. So now
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: on the defense, you've got to float and refit your gap.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: And if you don't refit them the right way, boy,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: your gap responsibility changes. Like if I'm playing man-to-man at
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: cornerback and my wide receiver cracks the safety, well, that
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: wide receiver carries my run gap. He just brought me
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: down in the box when I'm not used to fitting.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: So maybe I'm late on my fit or I don't
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: get there. And then those runs begin to pop. So
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: now you get somebody trying to trying to over-exaggerate to
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: do more than they're supposed to be. And Tampa Bay
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: running backs are good. Bucky Irvin, to me, is an
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: up-and-coming back in this league. And his vision is so
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: great where he can see he's running. You see his
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: eyes scanning. And if he sees somebody on the backside
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: jump out of his gap, boom, he gets to the edge.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Or if they are cracking and that cornerback squeezes too
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: hard and that defensive end starts to squeeze too hard,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: he's like, I'm going to use my speed to get
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: to the edge. So I think it became... a, a,
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: a raw Peter to pay Paul. Well, well, all right,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: we get them inside.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Boom.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: They're going, they're over, they, they're overcompensating getting inside. Now
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: I'm going to take inside. Now I'm about, and then
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: you begin, people start to panic. Panic sets in. When
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: panic sets in, this is like somebody come in and yell,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: he got a gun. People are not going to run
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: in a, in a straight line. Everybody goes Trump, Trump,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: a woman on the defense. Oh yeah. Guys, Oh, man.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: That happens, Buck. I'm out of here. I'm out of here, man.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I'm leaving my gap, Buck. Shoving me down. I'll be
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: like Costanza Bone running the kids over to get out. Buck,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: you know what's the, we're not a show that panics often.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: All right, y'all. Buck is freaking amazing. Those were great
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: answers and explanations. So we all got to repay him.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Y'all listen when you get a chance. Certainly not before
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: 10 o'clock, though. All right. But after that, listen, listen
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: when you get a chance. All seriousness, the Prince and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Buckner's Buck Naked Naked Truth podcast, him and the great
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: No Limit Larry talking it all up. Buck, great job
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: as always, man. We appreciate you.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: All right, one time for the one time.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: All right, Buck. Be good, Buck. One time. Be good.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: One time. There you go. That's Brinson Buck. How about
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: we call it one time after a win? One time.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Mack, you mentioned that the Jimmys and the Joes were
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: better from the Bucks. I actually wrote down more names
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: that were better. Their Jimmys and their Joes and their
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Buckys and their Yah-Yahs and their Bakers were also better.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, God.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Hey, we got something fun to talk about next, though, Boney.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: What's that? The Hornets, baby. Oh, yeah, baby. Bzzz. Bzzz.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: We're going to get our buzz on. The Hornets get
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: another dub, and Brandon Miller was amazing, but the Connick-Kobe
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: injury update, not so good. We talk about all that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Sports Radio, 92.7 WFNZ.
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: Bzzz.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Like you said, Brandon had a big-time night for us.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: The thing that was probably most impressive was his wanting
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: of the ball in a clutch situation and understanding what
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: we needed to get out of some of those looks
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: down the stretch, but then his defensive activity all night,
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: like all the deflections and steals and block shots in
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: transition and winning that 50-50 ball on the sideline. Those
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: are the things when your best player is being elite
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: on defense and offense, it makes you a really good team.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: There you go, Charles Lee talking about Brandon Miller. 39
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: points last night. And as Charles Lee points out, some
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: damn good defense, too. That's what they paid him for.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Two-way player bone. Three steals, two blocks. Had a big
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: block on AD late in that game. Hornets are 3-1
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: after a 110-103 win that got dicey. They had a
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: 14-point lead in the fourth bone. Next thing you know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: it's down to three, but B-Mill got to his spot
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: on the elbow. Hit that shot, baby. Thank you for
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: showing me what happened there. I saw a crowd club
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: tweet out, Mag. It's only the fifth time ever the
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Hornets are off to a 3-1 start. I like that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of sad it's only five times,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: but yeah. Okay, baby.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, three and one's not exactly like nine and two,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: but we'll take it.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: It's especially considering who they're missing and how they're playing offensively.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It's no shock without Khan and Kobe, the offense is struggling.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: They're 28th in the league in offensive efficiency. They're 26th
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: in three-point shooting. which is supposed to be our bag.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Help will be on the way at some point. But
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: in the meantime, seeing B-Mill take over like that, Bone,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: and do things that we want him to grow to do,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: which is just go hunt your shot, hunt your spot,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: and get us a bucket when we need it. And
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Nas Reed, too. You look at the box score and
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: be like, damn, Nas Reed put up 22 shots and
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: only hit up eight. But how many of those, Bone,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: makes were at the start of the fourth quarter when
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: B-Mill was out? And it was like, okay, the offense
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: is running through you. And he went out, hit a
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: couple of threes, and got buckets inside.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I think he had 13 in the fourth quarter or 15,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: whatever the number was.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: And most of them were right out of the gate, bing, bang, boom,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: when we were playing through him. And as you pointed out,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: still didn't get to the foul line. But got buckets
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: for us when we needed them.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I even saw national sites putting out now that his
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: point total per game, like 18, 20, 19. He had
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: one foul shot on the season so far. If he
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: actually adds three or four foul shots to the equation,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: if that many can get that many, he's going to
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: be up there in the 22 to 25 point per
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: game area. He's just not a guy that I... I'd
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: have to go back and look at Minnesota stats, but...
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Just not getting to the line right now. I'm looking
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: it up right now. Against Minnesota, I felt like it
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: was even more perimeter-oriented, right, where he's kind of the
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: stretch player. Kind of spent a lot of time in
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: the corner.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Here he at least gets the ball and will try
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: to create things. So let's see here. Free throw attempts
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: per game. Yeah, 1.6, 1.8, 1.8, 1.9, 1.9. I guess
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: this is just who he is. But this is low.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: He's at. 5. And it's lower than. 5, honestly. I
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: don't know why it says. 5. Because we played four games.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: It's.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: 25 now. He's played four games and shot one free throw.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: But he has been invaluable. He got 12 boards last
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: night as well for us. You can't miss him if
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: you're not taking him. How about that? That's next level.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Smart strategy. Mind blown.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: That's playing chess right there. I'm not going to miss
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: a big free throw. I won't take any.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: You said it earlier, Bone. The Brandon Miller critics have
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: been quiet today. I have no doubt in my mind, though. Like,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I will not underestimate y'all, just like you do with
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Bryce or Averro. He could play seven straight games, great
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: games in a row. He's got 34 and 39 in
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: the last two games. He could score 30 points the
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: next seven. And I guarantee you that eighth game, if
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: he has an off-shooting night, y'all will be there on
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: the text line. I got faith in y'all. But I
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: am loving the fact that he wants it. He wants
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the ball in crunch time. He wants the ball at
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the end of the shot clock. That was not necessarily
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: his role all the time, Bone, previously. That would be
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: LaMelo a lot, right? But he really is embracing it,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: and he's a damn dog, dude. Like, you can see,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: and I guarantee you, the stuff y'all been yapping about,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you pissed him off. Like, he's just a dog,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and I just, I feel like everybody should love this
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: dude here in Charlotte. Got great fun personality, too, off
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the court, too.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Charles Lee said the same thing you just said, that
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: after last night's game, the best part about that performance
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: was that he wanted it down the stretch. So you're...
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: You're speaking to what Charles Lee said. Watch late in
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: shot clock who runs out and says, give it to me.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: And again, it hasn't always been his best thing to
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: go one-on-one and create. You pointed out how tough it
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: was against Daniels and some of those wings in Atlanta, right?
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: And those matchups will happen, but he wants it, dude.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: He's not shying away from it at all. And I
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: know everybody's thinking.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: They just paid him 209. I wouldn't shy away from anything.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: But I think he's growing as a player. And I
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: keep saying this, and I don't know if it's annoying
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: or um it might not be as annoying as me
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: pointing out the defensive epa bone last week for the
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: last four weeks but i can guarantee you that's done
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: now um thank you i just want to see this
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: offense i want to see this team with con and
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: kobe because like something i noticed bone is what were
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: they doing in the fourth quarter against brandon they were
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: doubling him and who were they doubling him off of
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: schruder and sion because go ahead and shoot you get
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: kobe and con in the backcourt instead of schruder and
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: sion you ain't doubling off of kobe and con if
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: you do you may pay good night so i just
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the offense is struggling right now but i just think
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: the offensive ceiling bone is close to at least close
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: without lamello to what it was last year when you
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: get those guys healthy he had.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: 20 he had 24 points and he was four for
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: 25 from three his first two games Since then, he's
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: now eight for his last 20 from three, and he
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: scored 39 and 34 the last two games.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Love it, man. Love it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: That's high end, but that's much more of what we
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: expect in the first two, obviously.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: And go ahead and shoot your shots. Go ahead and
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: up that usage. LaMelo's gone. Kobe and Khan aren't playing. Bro,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: shoot your shots. I watched LaMelo shoot 978 shots a game, Boney.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: And I shouldn't act like an ass about it. I
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: take that back because LaMelo Stan's going to come fry me. But, like,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be mean towards LaMelo. I don't
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: want to do that. But just, like, Brandon Miller, do that.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: We need you to do that right now. I don't
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: want to see people shot shaming him, I guess is
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: You brought up one of the best parts, though. It's
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: not just the scoring. He had two blocks last night.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: He had three steals. He had six rebounds. So there
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: was a little bit of everything across the board that
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: he did last night.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I've got to watch myself, Bone. I can't watch. Watch
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: or watch?
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: Watch.
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: Well, both.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I've got to do both. Hey, congratulations to Fran Brown
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: who got to shower the other night for the first
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: time in a couple of weeks. That was real nice
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: of Bill Belichick to make sure Fran Brown gets washed.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: That's why we lost the game.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: Our players were distracted by how bad a grown man smelled.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Belichick smells like roses. He does.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: Jordan Bates is never nice.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Let me get your back, Billy. Let me get your
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: back here. Is that a new loofah? A new loofah.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: What was I saying? Oh, the lamella thing. I don't–
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I can't do this. What's happening is we– and we
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: even got in the first hour from a person that
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: are trying to, like, turn us– They're standing up for
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: LaMelo and they're trying to hate on the Hornets. And
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I can't get caught up in that right now. I
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: want LaMelo to do well. The thing that will be
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: annoying about LaMelo doing well in Minnesota is that type
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: of fan is going to keep texting us. And the
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Hornets made a mistake. Can't it be a deal that
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: long-term works out for both parties? Can't LaMelo do well
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: with Ant-Man in Minnesota? And can't the Hornets' bone with
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: all their assets trade their chips in at some point
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: become even better? I do believe there's a world. So
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I got to watch myself, Bone. Make sure I don't
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: become a small little petty man, Bone. That's my job
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: to watch that? Yeah, please. I know it's not easy.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: That's like stopping Bucky Irving from rushing the other day.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Put Mac on petty watch. I don't want to play
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: your reindeer games, y'all. I don't want to.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Sam Farber sent a text, and so did a listener,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: to be honest. Also, Brandon Miller bought 500 tickets last
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: night for breast cancer survivors.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: So that's an awesome thing. Did you see the dust-up
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: that Nick Carboni got in over that last night?
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Because he tweeted that out. That's a notable thing. That's
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: an awesome thing that Brandon Miller did.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: One of the despicable haters tweeted Nick Carboni and said,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: why did Brandon buy tickets for the survivors of a
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: ticket that's so cheap like the Wizards games? Why didn't
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: he buy more expensive tickets for other games?
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: My God.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: And Carboni just torched this guy. You know what I
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: would call that person? How about you go outside, find
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: some fresh air, come back and see us later?
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: You know, and this was for breast cancer survivors.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: See, it's great. I would call that person on social
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: media boob. See what I did there?
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: So I'm on petty watch. Who's on dad joke watch?
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: But just miserable people, man. Shout out to Brandon for
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: the performance in that effort last night.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Bone, if you take away my petty and my dad jokes,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I don't have anything left.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, that was your game plan?
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: When we come back, has Sunday's brutal Panther loss made
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: you lose faith in what the coaches or Dan Morgan
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: are doing in Carolina?
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Sports Radio, 92.7 WFNZ.