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Thunder Keep Rollin' and Kiffin Keeps Trollin' · Rosters to Rings Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Rosters to Rings. Alongside Ryan McDonough, I am
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  Speaker 1: Thad Levine. We are pleased to be joined by great
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  Speaker 1: friend of the program, Tom Tolesco. I hope everyone had
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  Speaker 1: a wonderful Thanksgiving. And at the outset of this episode,
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  Speaker 1: I want to say a happy birthday to my son
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  Speaker 1: Quinn Levine and later this week my father, Michael Levine,
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  Speaker 1: will have a birthday. Later in this show, we are
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  Speaker 1: going to get to some great topics about the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: NCAA football, and of course listener questions from producer Wyatt.
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  Speaker 1: But where I'd like to start is with Ryan giving
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  Speaker 1: us some perspective on how great the Oklahoma City thunders
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  Speaker 1: twenty and one start has been.
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  Speaker 2: So far, a historic start to the regular season, Thad,
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  Speaker 2: the only team that started better was the Golden State
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  Speaker 2: Warriors a few years back. They went well into the
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  Speaker 2: mid twenties before losing a game. You mentioned the one
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  Speaker 2: loss for ok SEE that was a game versus the
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  Speaker 2: Portland Trailblazers. The numbers are even more impressive that when
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  Speaker 2: you dug into not just that they've won, but how
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  Speaker 2: they've won. The OKC Thunder or outscoring their opponents by
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  Speaker 2: fifteen and a half points per game through the first
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  Speaker 2: twenty one games of the season. To put that in context,
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  Speaker 2: the all time single season scoring record was set by
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  Speaker 2: last year's Oklahoma City Thunder team, which outscored their opponents
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  Speaker 2: by one thousand and fifty five points. That's a lot
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  Speaker 2: over an eighty two game season. Prior to that, guys,
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  Speaker 2: you had to go way back to the early nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 2: The La Lakers. In the nineteen seventy one seventy two season,
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  Speaker 2: they outscored their opponents by twelve point three points per game.
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  Speaker 2: Okasee last year. Keep in mind they finished sixty eight
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  Speaker 2: and fourteen in the regular season. They outscored their opponents
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  Speaker 2: by just under thirteen points per game last year, so
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  Speaker 2: that smashed the Lakers mark that this stood for nearly
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  Speaker 2: fifty years. This year, okase is doing one better. We've
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  Speaker 2: never seen numbers like this in the NBA. Frankly, that's
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  Speaker 2: a blowout basically every night. If you're beating your opponent
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  Speaker 2: by fifteen and a half points per game, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Utterly staggering when you when you hear about it, and
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  Speaker 1: right if I'm wrong, like Jalen Williams, one of their
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  Speaker 1: best three players. Has just rejoined the lineup right now,
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  Speaker 1: so they've been doing that without him. They've had some
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  Speaker 1: they've had some injuries throughout the course of the season,
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  Speaker 1: but they haven't really played at full strength yet.
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  Speaker 2: Now they're a machine. You mentioned Jalen Williams just returning
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  Speaker 2: to the lineup within the last week or so. Most
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  Speaker 2: folks think he's the Thunder's second best player behind Shay
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  Speaker 2: Gildess Alexander the MVP. You can make an argument for
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  Speaker 2: Chada Holgren, a talented young big man, as their second
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  Speaker 2: or third best player, but Jalen Williams has been an
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  Speaker 2: all star. He's been a top three player on a
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  Speaker 2: championship team. We just saw that that this past June
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  Speaker 2: when OKC won the title, and at that time I
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  Speaker 2: got something that's even more scary for the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the league.
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  Speaker 1: You're ready?
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  Speaker 2: Are you ready for this? Here are ok c's first
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  Speaker 2: round picks if the draft were today in the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: It's not till Obvio, June of twenty twenty six, but
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  Speaker 2: if it were today, here's the picks that OKAC would
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  Speaker 2: have in the first round. They picked fifth, they picked ninth,
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  Speaker 2: and they pick fourteenths So they have three lottery picks
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  Speaker 2: in this year's draft, and then they also come back
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  Speaker 2: and pick again at number twenty seven, So they have
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  Speaker 2: four first round picks, three lottery picks, including the fifth
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  Speaker 2: pick in the draft, which by the way, is still
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  Speaker 2: compensation they're getting from the La Clippers. That is, the
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  Speaker 2: Clippers pick. OKAC has that from the Paul George trade.
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  Speaker 2: Paul George going from OKAC to the Clippers shave yieldes
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  Speaker 2: Alexander in a boatload of draft picks coming back with
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  Speaker 2: Daniel o'gallanari. That was the pick that happened in twenty
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  Speaker 2: nineteen and the twenty to one OKC thunder are still reaping.
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  Speaker 3: The benefits of that.
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  Speaker 2: Can you guys imagine if this team wins seventy games,
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  Speaker 2: goes on to win the championship as one of the
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  Speaker 2: great seasons in the history of the NBA, and then
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  Speaker 2: picks in the lottery three times.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Bran, I have a quick question, So, if so
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  Speaker 3: many of their games are blowouts, do their starters play
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  Speaker 3: less minutes than some other teams, which would kind of
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  Speaker 3: help them as they get towards the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, great points, they absolutely do, and one of the
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  Speaker 2: most remarkable things. Is the leagu's leader in clutch points
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  Speaker 2: right now by a significant margin is Shaguild Just Alexander
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  Speaker 2: the OKAC Thunder haven't played in that many clutch games
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  Speaker 2: because because of all the blowouts, but he has been
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  Speaker 2: so good and so efficient in clutch games. I think
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  Speaker 2: they're like eight and one. You know, that's the one
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  Speaker 2: loss they have against Portland. They've won all the rest
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  Speaker 2: of them and most of the time, or at least
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the time, shaeguilds Alexander does not play
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  Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. The game's already decided by the
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  Speaker 2: end of the third. He just kind of sits over
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  Speaker 2: there and ices their stretches and watches the young guys play.
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  Speaker 2: So it's really unique. And the fact that she is
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  Speaker 2: putting up Gotti numbers. He just became second in the
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  Speaker 2: all time list as far as consecutive twenty point games.
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  Speaker 2: He scored at least twenty points and I guess ninety
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  Speaker 2: three straight games or something like that at this point,
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  Speaker 2: only Wilt Chamberlain has ever been more consistently over twenty
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  Speaker 2: And keep in mind that now we're talking when you
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  Speaker 2: get to ninety plus, that's over multiple season span, so
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  Speaker 2: that's how good SGA has been. And when you look
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  Speaker 2: at a per minute Tom, a lot of that's again
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  Speaker 2: sitting the fourth quarter. You know, maybe he starts the
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  Speaker 2: fourth quarter and they're up twenty five, take them out
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  Speaker 2: of the game. It's really remarkable what he's done and
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  Speaker 2: that and I talked about this on a recent show.
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  Speaker 2: The MVP race. This year, there are a lot of contenders,
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  Speaker 2: but I think it's going to come down to two
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  Speaker 2: guys once again Shake Guilds Alexander in Oklahoma City, Nikola
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  Speaker 2: Jokic and Denver because what both of those guys are
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  Speaker 2: doing and continue to do, not only this year, but
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  Speaker 2: year over year is historic. I mean, they're doing things
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  Speaker 2: that we've rarely have ever seen in the history of
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  Speaker 2: the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan, it's absolutely staggering when you talk about the draft
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  Speaker 1: picks they have, because I think we're conventionally used to
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  Speaker 1: knowing that if you're selling and buying in trades, like
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  Speaker 1: when you sell, you get future assets and you're losing
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  Speaker 1: in the present. When you buy, you're getting present assets
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  Speaker 1: and you're losing in the future. Well, they are winning
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  Speaker 1: in the present and the future in these deals. It's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely remarkable. The job that Sam Presty has done. I
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  Speaker 1: think we've mentioned his name on like every other episode
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  Speaker 1: on here. We'll have to get him on at some point,
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  Speaker 1: but a surefire Hall of Famer. He's revolutionized general managing
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  Speaker 1: in the NBA, but it's really led over to every
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  Speaker 1: other sport. I know. In baseball, so many of us
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  Speaker 1: consulted with him and tried to learn from him. I
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  Speaker 1: imagine that maybe the same in the NFL. But it's
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  Speaker 1: really remarkable what he has done in rebuilding a franchise.
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  Speaker 1: And we also have to remember this is one of
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  Speaker 1: the smallest markets in all of professional sports that he's
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  Speaker 1: doing this, and so he's attracting superstar players, he's signing
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  Speaker 1: them to extensions, he's trading them at the right time,
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  Speaker 1: and he continually works the draft to constantly replenish this roster.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, they've had a few low years, but even
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  Speaker 1: in those low years, they had some pretty enticing players
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  Speaker 1: that they were building on. You could see the present,
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  Speaker 1: you could see the future with them, and juxtaposed against
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  Speaker 1: what Indiana's done to start this season, where they're four
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  Speaker 1: and seventeen now decimated by injuries, it's pretty remarkable. They've
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  Speaker 1: had no letdown after a championship season last year.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we always worry about, you know, coming off
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  Speaker 2: a title, is there going to be a letdown? Is
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  Speaker 2: the team going to coast through the regular season. And
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  Speaker 2: when I was with the Celtics, that happened the year
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  Speaker 2: after we won the title in Ola that the next
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  Speaker 2: season two thousand and nine season, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 2: going through the motions at times, weren't really as focused,
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  Speaker 2: especially after the injury to Kevin Garnett late in the season.
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  Speaker 2: So that is human nature, and I think that's a
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  Speaker 2: big part of the reason you've seen seven different champions
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  Speaker 2: in the NBA over the past seven years. OKAC looks
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  Speaker 2: as poisoned. Anybody to break that streak and repeat. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens when the playoffs come around. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they've kind of become the gold standard across sports. And
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  Speaker 2: I think they've done what we all want to do, guys,
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  Speaker 2: and what we all try to do. Put the best
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  Speaker 2: team on the court or the field now, but also
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  Speaker 2: a position the franchise to do well in the future.
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  Speaker 2: It's very difficult, almost impossible to do both of those
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  Speaker 2: things at a high level, but they've done it. And
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  Speaker 2: so you know, kudos to Sam Presti, Rob Hennigan and
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  Speaker 2: the guys in their front office. That team, keep in mind,
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  Speaker 2: moved from Seattle. I think Sam was a GM just
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  Speaker 2: for a year maybe two in Seattle. Controversially the Sonics
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  Speaker 2: left and went to OKC and it really built a
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  Speaker 2: program for Scratch and that's something we all aspire to.
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  Speaker 2: I think in pro sports, this front office guys have
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  Speaker 2: a blank slate and just build it exactly the way
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  Speaker 2: you want to do it. Very few of us are
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  Speaker 2: able to do it at that level. I think maybe
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  Speaker 2: even few of us even if we want to do
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  Speaker 2: with that level or giving the ownership bandwidth to say,
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  Speaker 2: do what you guys think is best, we'll support you
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  Speaker 2: and trust you. That's what Sam Presty has developed with
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  Speaker 2: Clay Bennett, the owner in OKAC. And yeah, they're historically
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  Speaker 2: good team that continues to shatter records year in and year out.
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  Speaker 1: And Ryan, I think you touch on such a mental
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  Speaker 1: aspect of championship competition, which is once you win, it's
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  Speaker 1: hard not to slip into that malaise of like we've
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  Speaker 1: kind of have this figured out, and you kind of
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  Speaker 1: become a little bit complacent maybe you work slightly less hard.
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  Speaker 1: You think you know how to what's the blueprint to win? Well,
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  Speaker 1: everyone else is trying to outdo you in the offseason,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's not like the competition stands till everyone's
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  Speaker 1: getting better. You have to maintain that edge. The fact
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  Speaker 1: that they were able to do all of that they
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  Speaker 1: accomplished last year, which was basically winning what was one
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  Speaker 1: of the best conferences in recent memory in the West
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  Speaker 1: Western Conference, and they were basically wired to wire a
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  Speaker 1: win and they've done so the last two years, and
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  Speaker 1: then to win it all and then to come out
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  Speaker 1: guns blazing like they have, especially with one of their
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  Speaker 1: superstars on the bench. They could have by all means
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  Speaker 1: just said hey, listen, we're going to coast in the
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  Speaker 1: first part of the season, and the once Jalen Williams
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  Speaker 1: comes back, now we're going to turn it up. They're
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  Speaker 1: twenty and one with him rejoining the team at this point.
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  Speaker 1: It speaks to not only their physical abilities, but I
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  Speaker 1: think really their mental resolve, no question about it. That.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the interesting stats that I think not
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people realize is, you know, it's easy
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  Speaker 2: to say, well, the regular season doesn't matter as much
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  Speaker 2: in the NBA as long it's an eighty two game
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  Speaker 2: season usually where it matters that And we talked about
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  Speaker 2: this a little bit relative to Major League Baseball in
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  Speaker 2: the World Series. In the payrolls in MLB, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the teams who end up winning the trophy or competing
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  Speaker 2: for it usually have those top five payrolls. We saw
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  Speaker 2: that this year with Toronto and the Dodgers. In the NBA,
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  Speaker 2: it's usually the team with home court advantage. And if
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  Speaker 2: you go back in the history of the NBA, going
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  Speaker 2: back forty or fifty years, I think there have only
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  Speaker 2: been two teams to ever win the championship who are
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  Speaker 2: not a top three seed in their conference. So you
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  Speaker 2: can say, oh, I'll just we'll rest, we'll recover, we'll
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  Speaker 2: get ready for the playoffs. Indiana what they almost did
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  Speaker 2: it last year. They were kind of an outlier. They
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  Speaker 2: were not in the top three in the East. They
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  Speaker 2: were right there, as you guys know, on the precipice
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  Speaker 2: before Tyres Haliburton got hurt in Game seven in the
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  Speaker 2: NBA Finals. But the end of the day, historically to
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  Speaker 2: win a championship, you need to be a top three seed,
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  Speaker 2: and that's where what you were just discussing that that
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  Speaker 2: focus comes in that resolved. Yeah, it's hard to get
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  Speaker 2: up night after night. Keep in mind too, in the NBA,
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  Speaker 2: if you go to Game seven of the finals, you're
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  Speaker 2: playing about two months longer than the teams that got
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  Speaker 2: their season ended with the regular season, and then maybe
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  Speaker 2: a month to a month and a half longer, and
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  Speaker 2: the teams are either in the play in or got
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  Speaker 2: knocked out early in the playoffs. So you have basically
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  Speaker 2: two additional months of the highest level, most competitive basketball,
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  Speaker 2: shorter turnaround time obviously on the back end getting ready
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  Speaker 2: for the offseason and training camp the next year to
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  Speaker 2: come back and do it again. Okay, seas making all
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  Speaker 2: that look easy. I mean other teams that really struggle
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  Speaker 2: with that, their talent and depth, the kind of discipline
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  Speaker 2: really stands out to me.
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  Speaker 3: You're right, I mean, how.
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  Speaker 2: Many teams could not only have a historic start that,
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  Speaker 2: but could do it without one of their top three
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  Speaker 2: players and go twenty to one through a quarter of
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  Speaker 2: the NBA season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry, I was just thinking, just to go
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  Speaker 3: back a second. You had mentioned that Okay see had
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  Speaker 3: relocated obviously from Seattle, and I went through relocation with
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  Speaker 3: the charges from San Diego to la and know what
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  Speaker 3: the challenges of it. Actually did a study on all
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  Speaker 3: the teams had relocated and what the success rate the
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  Speaker 3: first couple of years after that relocation, and it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: very good. But the one thing that you can really
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  Speaker 3: get from that is you can really re examine everything
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  Speaker 3: you do, because, like you said before, like you're really
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  Speaker 3: starting from scratch, and it gave us a chance to
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  Speaker 3: really look at all of our processes with everything we did,
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  Speaker 3: not just football operations, but even like little things like
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  Speaker 3: the doctors and the hospitals and everything that we're using
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  Speaker 3: and everything that kind of goes into your football operations,
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  Speaker 3: your practice, feels how your building is set up, and
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  Speaker 3: give a chance to look at everything and re examine
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  Speaker 3: and make changes because sometimes you do get stale on
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  Speaker 3: some things that you do. So obviously whatever Okay See
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  Speaker 3: did when they made their relocation is they took a
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  Speaker 3: real hard look at everything they were doing, and I
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  Speaker 3: mean their success rate is just outstanding with what they've done.
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  Speaker 3: Like you've said, between short term and long term, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I just haven't seen that in any professional sport before.
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  Speaker 1: I know, you're thinking the same thing, Ryan, but the
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  Speaker 1: hardship of moving from San Diego to Los Angeles, both
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  Speaker 1: lovely cities, of both tremendous places. Tom I actually was
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  Speaker 1: going to ask you a quick question. You know, this
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  Speaker 1: just doesn't it's not as relevant in baseball. You don't
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  Speaker 1: win the season in your first ten to fifteen games.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the season so long. But in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: you can. And you were on a team that was
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  Speaker 1: thirteen and oh, you had one of these epically positive starts.
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  Speaker 1: How much of your attention in your stadium at that
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  Speaker 1: time was around trying to finish undefeated versus were you
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  Speaker 1: always looking to the playoffs? What was the mark of
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  Speaker 1: success once you got to thirteen and oh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, actually was fourteen and oh in two thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 3: We had won the Super Bowl in two thousand and
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  Speaker 3: six with the Colts and then we were on a
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  Speaker 3: you know, on a pace. In two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 3: we're fourteen and oh, and you know, it's a good
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  Speaker 3: problem to have, but it's a problem because in the end,
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  Speaker 3: you're judged by the Super Bowls, you're judged by championships,
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  Speaker 3: you're not judged by your regular season record. But we're
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  Speaker 3: fourteen and oh, and then I believe it was against
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  Speaker 3: the Jets in the second half of the Jets game,
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  Speaker 3: which we were leading at the time. We did take
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  Speaker 3: out a lot of starters in that game, more thinking,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we want to be healthy for the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: we want to make another long run. End up losing
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  Speaker 3: the game to the Jets. And then and then and
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  Speaker 3: the last week of the year, we played the Bills
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  Speaker 3: in that game. That didn't mean anything at all. We
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  Speaker 3: set all the starters in that game and lost that game.
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  Speaker 3: So went fourteen and two. But from a fans standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: the fans were really upset. They wanted to see a
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  Speaker 3: perfect season. They wanted to see sixteen and oh. And honestly,
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  Speaker 3: there were some players in the locker room, not all
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  Speaker 3: of them, but some of them they wanted to try
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  Speaker 3: and have an historic year and goes sixteen to no.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 3: But from a big picture thinking, with Bill poynt as
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  Speaker 3: a GM and Jim Colboll as the head coach, their
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  Speaker 3: thought was the playoffs, the Super Bowl, to have our
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  Speaker 3: best chance, our best odds of success to win a
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl, to have all of our starters healthy and
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  Speaker 3: ready to go. And we made a long run of
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs, we made it to the Super Bowl, end
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  Speaker 3: up losing to the Saints in the Super Bowl, but
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  Speaker 3: it was a big deal when we didn't go for
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  Speaker 3: the undefeated year, our undefeated season. But in the end
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  Speaker 3: we got to that final goal, just couldn't quite recover
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  Speaker 3: on side kick to finish off the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of parallels Tom to what you just
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  Speaker 2: described with the Colts and the Golden State Warriors in
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  Speaker 2: the twenty fifteen sixteen season. They were the ones who
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  Speaker 2: had the historic start, the record setting start. I think
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  Speaker 2: they won twenty five or so games to begin that
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  Speaker 2: year before they lost. They ended up going seventy three
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  Speaker 2: and nine, which is still the best record in NBA history,
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: But they did not win the title that year. That
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: was the year they lost to Lebron James Kyrie Irving
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: in the Cleveland Cavaliers in an epic seven game series
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. Kyrie hit the big shot from you know,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: the right wing to kind of seal that game. Kevin
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Love switched out onto Steph Curry and did a great
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: job containing him defensively, and it was, you know, one
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: of the biggest upsets in recent NBA History's I guess
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: as much as you can have an upset when you
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: have Lebron James on your team. So I bring it
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: up because, yeah, I think you know, Golden State looking
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: back on it, said, well, it's great to have seventy
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: three wins, but that's not what we were chasing, you know,
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: you know, we weren't chasing that. I think they did
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: feel the pressure to do that though, because the Bulls,
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: the great Michael Jordan era Bulls, had seventy two and
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: ten as the benchmark, and so there was a lot
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: of external pressure, if not internal pressure, to go for
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: you know, go get it when you're right there. But
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Golden State that offseason through shrewd planning, also through a
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: fortunate kind of quirk in the collective Bargaining agreement, the
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: salary cap spike that year, so they had their core
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: under contract of Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, and Draymond Green.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: The cap went up, so they're also able to add
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Kevin Durant to that. You guys remember that twenty six
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: the offseason and then they were like the Avengers, you know,
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: it was virtually impossible to beat them. So their regular
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: season record wasn't as good the next two years and
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, but didn't matter. They won
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: the title relatively easily in both of those years, and
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: then the next year in twenty nineteen, that was a
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: year the Warriors played the Toronto Raptors in the finals.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Both Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson got injured in that series,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: and that's when after that series, KD left and went
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: to the Brooklyn net See and Kyrie went to Brooklyn.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: So it was interesting. Yeah, if you look at that
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: four year stretch, Warriors had the best record in NBA history,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: no title, two excellent years with titles, and then you know,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: an injury in the finals, two injuries in the finals,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: and no title to end it. So it's I don't
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: say the regular season's fools gold, but there are times
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: when you prefer to be like just very good or
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: average very good, if that makes any sense, versus historically good.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Where you're you're chasing this thing and there's all this
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: pressure to do something that hasn't been done, or to
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: you know, win sixty five or seventy games in the
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: NBA in the playoffs. That can come back to bite
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: you if you're chasing that too hard and it's not
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: really relevant to what you're trying to do once the
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: postseason begins.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I think as you get into the playoffs, like the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: reality is talent gets you there, and talent ultimately helps
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: you win. But like you also have to be healthy,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: and you have to be a little bit lucky at times,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: and so being the healthiest version of your team at
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the right time and clicking in all cylinders is what matters.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And so whatever you need to do. And I think
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the Kevin Durant ad and you mentioned the kind of loophole,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: but I harken back to some advice that one of
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: my mentors, John Hart, gave me, which was never aspired
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: to have the same stars on your team year and
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you're out, but always aspire to have as many if
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: not more stars year over year. And it is the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: notion that when you are a championship caliber team, that
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: is the time to also make some changes. You have
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to reinvigorate your group. The notion of just bringing back
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: the exact same group and expecting the exact same outcome.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Sports very rarely reward you in that regard. Ran I
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: wanted to shift attention to another team that is kind
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: of opening eyes right now a little bit differently, This
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: was a team that was literally on the doormat of
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: the NBA two years ago. The Detroit Pistons are now
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: leading the Eastern Conference with a seventeen and four record,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: eclipsing their win total from two years ago within the
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: first six weeks of the season. But can you talk
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: to us a little bit about their rebuild and how
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: they've gotten from being one of the worst teams in
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the NBA just two years ago to now being atop
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: They see the snazzy graphics going across the bottom of
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: our picture there. Producer Wyatt really stepped up his game.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I'm glad to see he hasn't let the fame go
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: to his head, you know, for his appearance in segment
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: three on this show. But you're right that we talked
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: about OKC as the gold standard not only in the
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Western Conference, but in the NBA maybe across pro sports.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: But what Detroit has done is deserved a lot of
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: attention and got a lot of attention a couple of
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: years ago. You know, the twenty three twenty four season,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the Pistons lost twenty eight consecutive games, twenty eight games
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: in an eighty two game season. That's basically a third
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: of the season. You just lose every night, you know,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: over a multi month span, and that set the record
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: for the longest losing streak in a season that this
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: year the Pistons complete opposite end of the spectrum, seventeen
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: and four. Just to put that in perspective, Detroit's fifteenth
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: win this year was on November twenty fourth, so it's
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: just before Thanksgiving. That means that they exceeded their season
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: win total from just two seasons ago, again before Thanksgiving,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: you know. So it's and the regular season goes until
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: mid April in the NBA. So that's how quickly they've
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: turned it. How they've gone from historically bad to the
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: class of the Eastern Conference. And they have some young stars.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Kate Cunningham. If you're not familiar with him yet and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: you're an NBA fan, become familiar with his game. A
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: big playmaker with size about six seven six', eight does
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: everything on the. Court he's going to be An All
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: star AND i think at some point over the next
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: five or ten, years would be a PERENNIAL mvp. Candidate
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: he's that good of a. Player and a franchise got
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: to build around In. Detroit and then the front, court
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: a young big Man Jalen duran play one year At
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: memphis and college is really emerged as a two way,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: force a good, rebounder got some size and, physicality especially
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: for a young big, man also some. Skill and Then
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Asar thompson that one of The Thompson. Twins not not
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the eighties, band you, know hold me, Now Thompson, twins
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: but different Grouping asar and A Men, thompson a men's On,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: houston a terrific young, player But Asar. Thompson those two,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: guys as you guys, know you've been around pro athletes
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: your whole. Career some guys just move a little bit
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: differently than the. Rest The Thompson, TWINS A sar and
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: men do. That they're athleticism and, size the way they
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: glide and explode around the. Court really you, know dominant
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: two way. Players and you, know you see the graphic
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: there With, detroit you, know kind of well out in
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: front of the. Pack they're way ahead of expectations that
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: if they fell short a couple of years ago when
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: they were historically. BAD i don't think even in their
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: most optimistic. Dreams they could have, Said, okay if we
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: do everything, right two years from, now we'll be way
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: ahead of the pack in The Eastern, conference and we'll
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: have a bunch of young stars a roster with good
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: role players around. Them but that's exactly what The pistons
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: have at this.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Moment it's just it's so epically difficult to do what
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: they're doing right. Now and we'll see as the season
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: progresses if they hold this. Position but to go from
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: being where they were two years ago to where they
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: are today is an extremely aggressive move by their front.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Office AND i know as your, reference there's been changes
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: in the, coaches there's been changes in the front. Office
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: they're pushing a lot of the right buttons right. Now
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: they're starting to. Gel probably all starts With Kate cunningham
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: having a, superstar but they've built a, nice complimentary group around.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Them and, then you, know something we've touched upon in past, Episodes,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: ryan is they may be catching The Eastern conference at
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the right. Time with key injuries to The Boston celtics
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and The Indiana, pacers this may be the right time
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: for them to. Strike but that's also part of building
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a championship. Organization is knowing the timing and not making
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: sure you don't miss when those opportunities present.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: THEMSELVES i think one of the things THAT i live
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to Get tom's take on as well from AN nfl,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: perspective that is easy in theory but really hard in,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: reality is to be patient and continue to trade present for,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: future present for. Future in terms of you, know it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: easy to do the opposite of, that, right trade young
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: players and draft picks for. Today let's try to improve
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: our team today and win the game this, week next,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: week the following. Week it's a lot more difficult to, Say,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: okay let's trade our best players today for future, value you,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: know young players who haven't fully developed, yet draft picks
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: down the. Road but in, two, three four, years if
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: we draft the right guys and develop the right guys
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: and are still employed by our current, team then we'll
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: reap the benefits of. It then that's really hard to,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: do but that's what the two teams we've been focusing,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: on THE Okac thunder And Detroit, pistons have.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Done.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Tom and it seems, like you, know it's probably not
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: a huge, secret but like across, sports your owner and
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: his patients are lack thereof seems to play into, that you,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: know whereas like seems like some certain organizations in THE nfl
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: will be more we're open to that Versus Jerry jones is,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: like you, know pushing and pushing in draft picks For,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Quinnon williams or whoever. Else you, know it seems like
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: a little more today focus versus what's best for the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: franchise three to five years from.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: NOW i was just thinking about this before you brought this,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: up and just with with The, Pistons and it's not
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: just the patients as a general, manager but it's the
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: mental toughness to be able to handle the, losses like you,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: said trading away present for the future and doing that
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: over and. Over but in THE nba and even in,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: baseball to have loss night after night after, night but
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: still in your mind feel like your process is the
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: right process and it's going to pay off down the.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Road but that's. Hard that would be really. Hard i'd
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: have a hard time with. THAT i, mean you have
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: to do it that. Way there's only especially in those two,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: sports how you build it where it's going to take
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: may take a couple of. Years in THE, NFL i
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: just think you can get there quicker than, that and
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: we see. It we, saw you know right now with
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: with The New England Patriots patriots WHERE i think we're
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: three with three and fourteen year and they flipped it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Around The bears have flipped it around relatively. Quick but
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: to have that mentality where you, KNOW i, MEAN i
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: remember that the year of The pistons where they were
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: losing night after night after, night and that's just got
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: to be unbearable for our front office to try and endure.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: That but you, know this is how we have to
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: do it and our process will work in the. End
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: so kudos to them to be able to handle that.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Luckily in, FOOTBALL i, think and a lot of IT
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: i think has to do with our salary. Cap there's
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: just a more more, parody more level playing. Field it's
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: not the have and have nots like it's like it
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: seems like in baseball where where cash is. King but
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: to have that vision that you're trading the president for
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the future and then make the right, picks that's the
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: other thing you have to. Hit it's great to have
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: all these number one picks like even like with The
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: jets have right, now but you really got to hit
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: on them with your evaluation part of. It but, yeah
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the the seventy six ers a couple of years. Ago The, pistons,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: now these are pretty pretty cool models to look at
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: as far as how they.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Rebuilt and no matter how patient we, Are, tom it
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: takes an owner to be slightly more patient for us
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: day have her patient, shine otherwise we'll be shown the.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Door so this is a perfect. Segue in segment, two
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: we are gonna shift our attention to. Football we're gonna
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Ask tom some questions about what's going on With Lane
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: kiffin and what about the changing of the guard is
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: we're seeing That, Chiefs ravens And steelers falter a little.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Bit stay with us through the break here At rosters To.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Rings welcome back To rosters During ryan McDonough joined By
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Bad levine And tom Te. LESCo in the first, segment
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: we got into THE. Nba now let's turn to college
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: football and THE, nfl And, TOM i really want to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: tap into your. Expertise there are three teams THAT i
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: think are among the gold standards in THE nfl and
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: have been for a decade or in some cases maybe multiple.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Decades talking about The Baltimore, ravens The Pittsburgh steelers and
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: The Kansas City. CHIEFS i don't think any of those three.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Time the year's kind of gone how they had it
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: planned this. Year you, know we know what they've done.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Historically we know. THAT i think all three of them
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: are led By hall Of fame coaches with what they've
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: done to. Town you, know kind of take us through
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: your breakdown of those three, teams pick and, choose you,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: know any one of them or all of them what
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you've seen so, far and is there one or maybe
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: even a couple that stand out as far as having
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: the ability potentially to dig themselves out of this hole
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: and get back into the playoff picture in their.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Conference, yeah it's been a unique. YEAR i was talking
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: with somebody. Yesterday this is like two thousand and six
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: all over. Again as far as the team's at the.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Top you've got The, patriots you got The, colts got
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: The chargers right, there The. Bears The bears went to
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: The Super bowl and. Nine so it's a little bit
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: different than we've. Seen The ravens are still kind of in.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: It but the great thing about THE nfl is there's
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: just so much pair across the, board so everybody has
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: hope every year but you, know with those, teams it
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: is odd right now to see The chiefs on the
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: outside looking in The ravens a little bit on the
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: outside looking. In but right, now The ravens have the
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: cleanest path to get to the, playoffs even at six and,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: six just because of their. Division AND i think we
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: talked about this a couple podcasts, before just about where
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: that division is and who was on their way up
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: and who was on their way. Down and we felt
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: like The ravens were on their way up and we
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: felt The steelers were on their way. Down and that's
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: kind of the way it's played, out even though The
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: ravens lost the other, day but they have the cleanest
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: path to get. There they haven't played great football on.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Offense Lamar jackson, INJURY i, think AND i THINK i
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: know has impacted, them and even the fact that right
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: now that he's not practicing every, day which for a
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: quarterback is not. Common it's not common for quarterback to
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: have rest days unless they're working through some sort of.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Injuries so it must have something going. On but their
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: offense just hasn't been as clean as usually. IS i,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: mean they have an, identity they run the ball at
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: a high. Rate their offensive line is pretty. Good obviously
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: they Have Derrick, henry but their passing game is really
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: just to the tight, ends as To andrews and likely
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: and they don't get a lot of balls outside the.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Numbers AND i think that's gonna have to be something
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: that as we get, towards you know, it as we
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: move Into december where this is the most important time
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: of the, year that you need to get the receivers
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: involved some, way, somehow AND i think they can do.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: THAT i have a lot of confidence in that coaching.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Staff they're really good at what they, do but they've
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: got really the cleanest path to get. There The, CHIEFS
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: i think they are a playoff caliber, team but even
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: if they keep, winning somebody else is going to have
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: to falter somewhere along the line for them to get.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: In and you, know is it The colts right, now
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: they're not playing their best, football BUT i don't think
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: they're going to falter enough where they don't make the. Playoffs,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: BUFFALO i think is really. Strong And buffalo is right
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: now as a wildcard, team you, know With New england
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: leading leading the div so you, know it's one of
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: those teams up above it's going to have to fall,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: down and you know who is? It could it be The.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Chargers you, know If Justin herbert can't, play that could
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: be a team that could could could fall. Down it
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: sounds like he'll be ready to Go monday night with
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: with his with his hand. Injury so The chiefs could
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: do everything. Right on the back, end it's still not
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: maybe you, know possibly not get in the. Playoffs so
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: and then even The Detroit lions right now on the
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: outside looking. In so it's an interesting. Time but this
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: is what makes THE nfl so exciting that so many
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: teams can kind of turn it. Around The, bears The,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: patriots and you, know those fan bases are super excited
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: right now because they're not only in, it but number
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: one seeds right. Now and we'll see if that holds or.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Not but that's what makes THE nfl King.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Tom one question i'd like you to share with the,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: listeners take them behind the scenes of this, decision which
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: is there's no more important, position maybe in all professional
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: sports than AN nfl. Quarterback and it seems like there's
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: so many rules have been put in place to try
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to protect. Them yet as we, look we once again
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: have you, know so many backups playing right, now or
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: so many starters playing or. Hurt you just Reference Lamar
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: jackson has probably. Hurt Justin herbert is having surgery and
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: talking about starting next. Week Aaron rodgers is playing with
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: a cast on his. Hand you know what goes into
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the decisions of when these guys come back to, play
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: even a guy Like Joe, burrow they're three and, eight
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: they bring him back from an, injury probably a little
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: bit before he's one hundred percent. Ready from a GM's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: perspective in THE, nfl how do you factor in the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: health of your quarterback versus the need to win in
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: making some of these.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Decisions, well in, reality it's no different for your quarterback
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: than any other player on your. Team but That Joe
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: burrow one is really, interesting and to see his quotes
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: that you, know, basically you, KNOW i could pay a
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: lot of money to play, quarterback and If i'm healthy
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: enough to play and the doctors clear, me Then i'm
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: going to. Play because really they're not going to make the.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Playoffs they don't have a good enough, team they don't
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: have a good enough record right. Now but he's step
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: didn't play. Left he played extremely well and he did
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: come back for that injury a lot sooner than many,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: expected but you, know this is the second straight year, That,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: yeah a lot of backup quarterbacks have had to play
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: due to, injury AND i think part of it probably
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: not so Much Aaron rodgers at this point of his,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: career but we're all looking for quarterbacks that can throw
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: it from the, pocket plus have mobility that if something
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: isn't there when they drop, back they can go get
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: a chunky yards with their. Feet on third and, eight
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: if everything is covered up and the defense are playing
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: two man and everybody all the DB's backs are to the,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: quarterback the quarterback can go scramble for nine or ten,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: yards get a first, down new set of, downs and
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: you move. On so we all want that, mobility but
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: what comes with that, is you, know potentially a higher
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: risk of, injury and we have to get through some.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Things Like Jackson dart last. NIGHT i love his style of.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: PLAY i love him as a, player but you got
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: to pick and choose when you want to, go when
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: you want to, run when the, slide and obviously last
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: night and last night's, game you can't tippy toe on the.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: SIDELINES i mean that's that's just a recipe for. Disaster
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and he got blown up for. That, thankfully he bounced
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: up and came back to the. Huddle but you don't
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: want to take too many of those. Hits but you,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: know part of being a mobile quarterback is you're gonna
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: have some. Contact you're gonna have some. Hits the hit
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: That Justin herbert got got hurt. On you, know he
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: was scrambling and running and he didn't get down quick.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Enough he took a full tackle and you, know just bad.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Luck you, know it broke his hand heading on a.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Helmet so but when it comes to your, quarterbacks most of,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: them ninety nine point nine percent of, them they will
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: play through anything they can possibly play. Through but you
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: listen to your, doctors you listen to your, trainers and
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: if they give the, okay as long as there's no
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: potential for further injury or something that could hurt them
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: long term or be, chronic if they're good to, go
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: they're good to. Go and that's why these guys are
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: the leaders that they.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Are tell him one TEAM i wanted to dig a
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: little bit deeper on is The Pittsburgh, steelers BECAUSE i
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: think they are the fascinating position right now that, frankly
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the franchise isn't in that often With Mike. Tomlin his
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: regular season record one hundred and eighty nine. Wins he's
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: won about sixty three percent of his games as head
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: coach of The. Steelers that's historically. Good he's made the
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: playoffs in twelve of eighteen, seasons but in the, postseason
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: and it's easy for me to say only but he's
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: been to Two Super. Bowls the one he won was
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and, eight in his second, season almost
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: twenty years ago at this, Point so you, know how
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: would you Assess tomlin in the, organization WHICH i think across,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: sports tom is known as one of the gold standards for,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: stability trusting their, people especially the head coach AND gm
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to do their, jobs and The rooney family letting those
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: folks do their. Jobs and generally, speaking do you think
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: things just kind of run its? Course are you from the?
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: League the things run its course over a period of,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: decades it may just be time for both parties to move,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: on or you, Know mike Hast moore from the school
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: of if somebody's done What Mike tomlin's, done he should
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: be able to kind of stay and go out on
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: his own terms or be the head coach of The
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh steelers as long as as he, wants obviously within.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Reason well as far as how teams handle head, COACHES i,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: mean there's thirty one teams and there's The. Steelers so
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: they do it a different, way and they do it
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: the right, way to be honest with. You so Because
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Mike tomlin has A hall Of fame resume, now like you,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: said yeah many, TIMES I Marv levy used to say
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: this all the. Time you can be in one place
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: for too long and sometimes it's just better for both
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: parties to move, on you, know and start a New
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: But steelers are. Different they don't operate like. That and
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: that's why The steelers have been so consistent over the,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: years And Mike thomlin's consistency has rarely. Seen he has
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: an identity for his football team every. Year they have
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: a formula for. Winning the big thing right now with him,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: is you, know he doesn't Have Ben roethlisberger, anymore and
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: they haven't been able to find his, replacement and sometimes
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: it takes. Decades you look at look At buffalo Between
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Jim kelly And Josh, allen there were a lot of
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the middle and not being able to find
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: who the next franchise rebec. Is and that's kind of
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Where pittsburgh is right. Now and there they were built
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: on the older. SIDE i, mean they were the second
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: oldest team coming into the year this, Year So i'm
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: both sides of the. Ball that doesn't just Include Aaron,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: rodgers but they just haven't played the style of that
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: they've played in the. Past The steelers have usually had a,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: big physical running back that can run in the. Elements
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: they Drafted Caleb johnson From iowa this, year who may
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: be that in the, future but he's not there right.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Now and their options at receiver AFTER Dk metcalf isn't a.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Lot they're very small at that, position physically, small and
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: their offensive line doesn't pass protect on the edges as
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: well as it needs. To so, uh they've they've struggled this.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Year and the DEFENSE i thought would be a dominating
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: defense this. Year they have a lot of talent at
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: all three. Levels but albeit it's it's an older, team
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: and we see often that the older teams fade In,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: december and we could be seeing that right now with
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: The steelers because LIKE i, said they have enough talent ON.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: D but the flip side of that, is just like
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: this past, week The steelers offense ran forty one plays
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: on an AVERAGE nfl team runs about sixty, five so
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: that is really really, low which means your defense is
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: on the field for a lot of snaps and that
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: takes his toll after a. While BUT i think with The,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: steelers at least for this, year is it's not a strong,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: division so they're still in it now? Postseason where does
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: this go With tomin and The? STEELERS i, mean be
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: careful what you wish. For he is an outstanding head.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Coach he has a, plan and his plan is consistent
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: and successful each. YEAR i just think right, now roster,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: wise the way it's, built that's been more the issue
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: right now than. Coaching but LIKE i, said he's A
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: hall Of fame head. Coach if he was, available there'd
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: be a line of teams lined up to hire. Him
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: so we'll see where it. Goes but they're not out
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: of it this year. Yet LIKE i, said there's ebbs
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: and flows of this, year but they're gonna have to
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: bring it on In december year to try and win
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: this division because obviously they're reck or they won't make
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: it as a.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Wildcard tom a few observations about The. Steelers i'd be
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: curious your perspective on one IS i kind of look
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: at it AND i wonder if If Mike tomlin is
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Paralleling Andy reid a little. Bit Andy reid a tremendous
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: success with The, eagles ended up going to the championship
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: game a few, times didn't ultimately. Win he leaves and
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: finds a tremendous fit In Kansas, city you, know aligned
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: with that superstar, quarterback that elusive superstar quarterback he referenced.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Earlier Maybe Mike tomlin will find a similar second phase
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: of his career if he so, desires no.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Doubt hall Of.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: FAMER i also look at it AND i think it's.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Ironic but you, know we know this sometimes when we
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: make trades that sometimes the players were going to trade
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: are going to do better. Elsewhere and it seems Like
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: George pickens is the exact type of player they could
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: use on this team right. Now they traded him to
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: The Dallas cowboys and that's been a huge part of
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: The cowboys'. Success and then, lastly The. Steelers one of
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the things that is so epically admirable about them is
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: he literally in his entire, tenure has not had a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: below five hundred, season which is just an incredible accomplishment
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: for the run he has been. There the downside of
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: that is when for eighteen seasons you don't then pick
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: in the top ten or the top. Five you're picking
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle of the, pack and my guess,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: is based upon the trend, lines that's not going to
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: help you get a franchise. Quarterback so you're going to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: either have to trade up and trade a lot of
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: draft capital to get there and pick the absolute right.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Guy but during those eighteen, years a lot of these
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: franchises have had multiple chances to get those franchise quarterbacks
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: by picking at the top of the. Draft Mike tomlins
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: teams almost never. Have and so that's if there is
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: a downside to being above five hundred or at five
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: hundred every, year is you never get the benefit of
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: picking towards the top of the. Draft in, baseball for so,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: long the best thing you could do was to try
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: to win a. Championship, sadly the second best was to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: lose and try to get towards the top of the,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: draft the place you didn't want to be was to
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: be around five. Hundred that was almost the no man's
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: land you wanted to try to. Avoid. RYAN i don't
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: know if the same thing applies in, basketball but the
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: fans love it where they don't see a losing, team
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: but in, practice the fans actually should weather a few
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: losing seasons if that means you could land a franchise,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: quarterback a star shooting, guard or a star shortstep that
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: can help you in championships in the. Future, YEAH i.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Think the fans in basketball realize that the places to
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: be are the, extremes either really good or really, bad
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: as painful as it is to be really, bad because
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: if you are really, bad then look at some of
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the historic number one, picks the most Recently Victor. Wimbanyama
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: WHAT i know it's early In San antonio about what
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: he's meant and WHAT i think he's going to mean
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: to The spurs franchise over the next decade or. So
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: contrast that with The Chicago. Bulls AND i hate to
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: pick on specific, teams but if you look at The
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: bulls win total last three, years, guys keep in mind
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: you played the two. GAMES, nba The bulls have won thirty,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: nine thirty nine and forty games the last three, years
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: so just under five hundred every. Year not good enough
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to be competing for the. Championship they're a play in,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: team you, know right in the, middle scrapping just to
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: get in the. Playoffs and then if they do get,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: in they're almost certainly going to get eliminated by one
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: of the top seeds in the first. Round but they're
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: also you, know not bad enough to get a top five,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: pick you, know to have a chance At victor wim
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Min yama or.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: In this year's.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Draft you, know we'll see how the guys turn, out
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: but it's looking like a historically good draft at the
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: top With aj debantsa From, Byu Cam boozer From duke and.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Others you, know it's kind of a star studic. Group
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: so if they're say four or five studs in this
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: year's draft and The bulls pick ninth or, thirteenth you,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: KNOW i think their fans kind of banging the head
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: against the walls and when does this cycle? End you,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: know and they don't have the historical success that's A
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: pittsburgh has, had you, know With, Tom lenny's built up
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: kind of that credibility In cachet.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Where, hey we'll be pretty good every.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Year so that's one of the. Challenges AND i THINK
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: i think it's Unique tom to THE nba more than
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: any other sport because if that made a good, point
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: franchise quarterback, is you, know one of the most, positions
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: important positions in all of, sports specifically in. Football in THE,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: nba it's kind of a. Positions but if you can
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: get one difference maker and we can name them the
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: ALL nba, GUYS i think that can shift your fortunes
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: quicker than in other sports and give you a, guy
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: one guy to build. Around SO i think in THE
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: nba in, particular you know the, trust the Process philadelphia
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: seventy six ers when my Buddy Sam hanky was there
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: running them and doing that like the, fans the, sophisticated savvy,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: FANS i think can see the vision in what it could. Become,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: well the losses continue to pile, up, which as you mentioned,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: earlier is brutally painful when you're suffering through.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: That AND i think the realities of The steelers is
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: they've been a tremendous franchise and for a coach to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: have eighteen years where you go to the playoffs in
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: two thirds of those seasons and never finished below five.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Hundred but the other, realities they haven't won a playoff
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: game since twenty, sixteen and that's a long drought for
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: franchise as storied as The Pittsburgh steelers for.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah you, know THE nfl is hard because in
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: your conference only seven teams make the. Playoffs and if
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: you can just get in the, playoffs you got a
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: chance to win A Super. Bowl SO i understand and is.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Hard you don't want to be in the, middle but
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: you want a chance just to get your ticket to the,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: playoffs to get. In and The, steelers like you, said you,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: know when you're picking in the teens each, Year, yes
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: it makes it more difficult to find that franchise. Quarterback
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: you'd be more you, know probably more creative and aggressive with.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: It WHEN i, was you have to ask some. Luck
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: WHEN i was with The, chargers we were lucky, that you,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: know our one really down year where we had five
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: wins just happened to be the year That Philip rivers
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: contract was expiring and we had a draft coming up
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: with a good amount of quarterbacks With Joe burrow And
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: tua And Justin, Herbert so absent us picking that high
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: in that, year we don't Get Justin herbert and they're
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: not where they are right. Now so there's obviously some
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: luck involved as far as when when you have that high,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Pick like if you have a high pick this year
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: in the, draft may not be a great year for.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Quarterbacks you, know we'll see who comes out in the.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: End some of these quarterbacks won't may go back to.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: School you could be picking you, know third or fourth
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: which is the draft and maybe not have a chance
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: at a. Quarterback so there's obviously some luck involved when
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: you do have a bad, year.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: No question about. It and you, know one other topic
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: that we teased in the open of this segment THAT
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: i want to get into with you, Guys, TOM i
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: want to get your take on it first is The
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Lane kiffin. SAGA i think it was the most discussed
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: situation across sports this, weekend watching the drama starting with
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: The Egg bowl On friday When Ole miss Beat Mississippi,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: state and then that was an early. GAME i think
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: it was the new game On, friday and then just
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: that's all you heard About friday Night saturday and meetn
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: bled Into sunday With Lane, kiffin the head coach At
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Old miss at the, time meeting with the athletic. Director
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: we know how it now ended. Up it ended up
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: With Lange kiffin leaving The Old miss Rebels he's going
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: to be the new head coach AT, lsu one of
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the most prestigious head coaching jobs in all of college.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Sports reported That kiffin's going to sign a seven, year
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: ninety one million dollar. Contract that's a ton of, money
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: obviously thirteen million dollars a. Year, So, tom what's kind
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: of your general reaction To lane kiffen Leaving Old miss
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: to go COACH. Lsu obviously a conference, rival and we
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: know how brutal THOSE sec football rivalries. Are and the
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: second part of it, is if you were the athletic
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: director Of Old, Miss Lane kiffin said publicly he wanted
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: to coach in The College Football, playoff is that something
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: under consideration or is that just kind of a hard
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: and fast, no knowing that the guy who wants to
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: coach your team on the biggest stage in the college
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Football playoff would be leaving for a conference rival as
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: soon as the playoff, ends or as soon As old
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: miss gets.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Eliminate, yeah, well first of, all for, me that'd be
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: a no chance you're not coaching our. Team but, yeah
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: this was, Interesting and, LOOK i know college. FOOTBALL i
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: wouldn't Say i'm an expert on THE sec as far
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: as all the mechanics around. It but WHEN i look
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: at the job At mississippi AND i look at the
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: job AT, LSU i don't see that much of a
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: gap between the. TWO i think twenty years ago there
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: definitely was a gap just between resources and the amount
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: of talent that those those schools could bring. In BUT
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: i just see where all misses right now with their,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: resources with the amount of top players That Lane kiffer
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: has recruited. THERE i Mean mississippi had fifteen players drafted
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: and the last three years in THE nfl, draft so
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: they had fifteen players. DRAFTED lsu at, Nineteen so it's
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: not that big of a. Difference SO i didn't see
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: a huge gap between the. TWO i Thought Ole misses
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: a great, job and you, know why would you leave
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: that to go TO. Lsu but, Again i'm not AN sec,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: expert and you, know you, know like we said, before you,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: know everybody maybe needs something different you, know something new
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: to new, challenge and you could be somewhere for too.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Long but in this, SITUATION i, mean, yeah it got.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Messy there's really no way for it not to be.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Messy the calendar in THE NC, doublea it needs to be,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: fixed but any, rally it's never going to get fixed
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: until there's one commissioner OF ncublea, football which right now
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: there's just there's too many. Conferences there's too many conference,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: commissioners too many, ads too many head, coaches too many other,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: agendas and that's why we kind of are where we
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: are with where the calendar. Is and there's never going
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: to be a good time to leave your school if
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: you're a successful head. Coach as you guys, remember this
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: is way back when When Bill frieder was the head
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: basketball coach At michigan and he left them right before
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: the tournament and he wanted to coach, them Coach michigan
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: through the. Tournament Bow BeO Shem beckler was THE ad
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: and he, said A michigan man will Coach, michigan and
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent agree with. THEM i don't see any
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: way where you could Have Lane, kiffin who's going to
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: a school in your own conference who's a huge, rival
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: and for him to stay and coach the team through the.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Playoffs and it may sound, great but in the end
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: himself and his assistants that are, leaving there's too much
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: other things going on with having two jobs that they
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to have their full attention On. Mississippi
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: there's no Way you've Got you've got family implications as
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: far as where are we going to, live where are
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: my kid's going to go to school In Baton, Rouge
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: and then you've got all the recruiting THAT lsu is
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: doing right, now and you'd have coaches looking at both
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: jobs at the same. Time SO i just don't see
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: any possible way that that staff could. Stay and to
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: be honest with you, all miss right, NOW i mean
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: they're going to have a chip on their shoulder going
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: into the. Playoffs they may play better right now with
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: their head coach, gone and they want to show some
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: people that you, know, hey our head coach has left
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: us right before the. Playoff we're going to show them
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: what we can. Do so but, yeah it's college coaches
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: probably at every, level certainly football and, basketball you, know
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: leaving to go another school when you're not let. Go
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: it's going to be a messy. Situation this one certainly got.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: There but in the, end this is big time college.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Football this is the way it.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Works And TOM i viewed the decision to let him
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: coach across like three. PLATFORMS i think there's a, competitive,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: ethical and logistical challenge that you have to kind of really.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Grasp and you referenced that some of the calendar issues
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: here are at. Play these are the. Logistics so you,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: know reading, here but This, wednesday or we're recording On,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Tuesday we're going to air this On. Thursday so The
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: wednesday in between is the day that the early signing
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: period for high school. Kids this is a reason why
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: you need to have your head coach in. Place that's
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: why some of these, decisions these coaching carousel decisions are
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: made right. Now you have to have your head coach
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: in place to be able to entice that high school
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: kid to. Sign they need to know who the coach will. Be,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: secondarily the transfer portal opens On december ninth through the twenty.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Eighth that's the first opening of the transfer. Portal you
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: have to have your head coach in place for those.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Things but those dates coincide with the end of the
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: regular season in between the conference championships for that early signing.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Period then the portal is open during some of those
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: championship weeks in the beginning of the playoff. Period it
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: just seems so misaligned with keeping continuity and allowing coaches
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: to finish out this. Season i'm not excusing What Lane kiffin,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: did What Ole miss, did WHAT lsu, did but the
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: reality is this decision probably had to be made right
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: now in order for the teams to move forward with
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: THE ncaa. Rules second is the ethical thing that you talked, About,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: tom which, is how could you possibly have somebody who
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: is committed to another, team let alone one in your own,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: conference go and coach your. TEAM i think the same
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: thing's happening the head coach At, TULANE i, believe is
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: going To. Florida now they're not in the same. Conference
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit less. Conflict he is going to
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: coach the team through the. Playoffs but the last thing
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: is the competitive. Component you, know what do you owe the?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Kids what do you owe the. Fans Ole miss has
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: not won a national championship in a quite some. Time
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: they have a chance to win it this. Year you
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: have to assess or we better serve to win it
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: with the coaching staff we have intact or, without because it's,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: not as you pointed, Out, tom it's not Just Lane kiffen.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Leaving my understanding is he's probably going to take the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: vast majority of their offensive coaches with, him and so
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: now there's a kind of a decimation of that coaching.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Staff how much can the kids rally around that and
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: potentially play even better versus how much are you totally
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: compromising these kids this fan based chance to do something
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: they haven't done in a long, time which is played,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: for compete, for and ultimately potentially win the national champions.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Hip it's been like over fifty, years probably maybe even sixty,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: years and you, work you, know he built that program
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: up and you finally get to the, pinnacle you have
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: a chance to play for a national, championship and he decided,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: that you, know you want to move, on but that's his.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Prerogative but, yeah this this situation is just. Different you,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: know if you look at the head coach Of James,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Madison Bob, chesney he took the job WITH. UCLA i
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: know he's going to stay and coach out through The
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Sun Belt championship game and they have a chance to
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: actually make the, playoff AND i think they're talking about
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: he may stay through the. Playoff but to, me that's
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: a little bit. Different you're going From James madison TO,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: ucla but you know you're going From Ole miss TO.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Lsu that's just a totally different. Animal so but, LIKE
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: i Think mississippi may play at a higher level right
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: now because they're going to have a little extra on
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: their shoulder for this. Playoffs but you, know this is
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: big time college. Football this is where it is at some,
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: point and it's going to happen. Eventually there's going to
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: have to be one commissioner of football and set one
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: set of rules and policies and you work on from.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: THERE i have no idea who that person is going to, be,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: though won't be. ME i can tell you that.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: No great great, points and that actually absolutely needs to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: happen because the fact That Lane, kiffen WHO i believe
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: was under contract at Ole miss through twenty thirty, one
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: is able to do this is a flag get this.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: WALK i, mean can you imagine If i'm THE gm
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: of The chargers and we're going to the playoffs and
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: my head coach, says you know, What i've got an
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: offer from The. Raiders they're an iconic, franchise they got a,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: world worldwide fan. Base i'm going to take The raider,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: job BUT i want to coach The chargers through the.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: PLAYOFFS i, mean, nonsensical it would never. Happen so at some,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: point you, know has double a even with player contracts
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: now with then al money that they can just get
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: up and. Walk at some point they're gonna have to
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: be a lot more guardrails in places or players and
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: coaches when they're going to change.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: TEAMS i completely because right now on both, fronts the
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: coaching front and the players, front it's kind of the Wild.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: West and even talking to coaches of current college programs
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: after a good, season in some, respects, guys it's harder
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: for them because they, say, well everybody wants to get.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Paid.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Now all the players are coming saying where's my? Money
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: and that's what it takes to keep the group together
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: in today's nil, era with As tom pointed, out the
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: lack of. Guardrails we're going to take a quick break right.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Here coming back on the other, side our Producer, wyatt
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: who is reportedly demanding A Lane kiffin like contract From
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: rosters To. Rings that's what he wants to continue doing this.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Segment we're going to get to your listener questions with
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Producer wyatt after this short.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Break welcome back To rosters To rings a time on her.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Tradition questions with Producer. Wyatt he got to fat and
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: happy Over thanksgiving with his in laws to be and
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: he's loaded to bear with some questions from our. Listeners
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: kick it, Off, Wyatt.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Thank you that great to be, back AND i can
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: CONFIRM i am seeking a similar deal To Lane kippen.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: With that buyout partly all l all.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: Right first question is From, ryan who's in Sam Ramon.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: California for. That reports say that The giants don't plan
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: to spend big on top free agent pictures Like tatsuya E,
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: may even though they seem just a dominant starter or
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: two away from real. Contention With Logan webb on a
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: team friendly deal And Robbie ray aging out. Soon why
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't San francisco be more aggressive in handing out a
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: five to seven year contract to a frontline starter to
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: stabilize a, rotation and more, broadly what factors keep front
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: offices from pushing in when the roster feels. CLOSE i
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: know that was a two part, that BUT i can
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: ask the second part again if.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Needed, yeah first of, all a very thoughtful question From.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: RYAN i really appreciate. It definitely did some homework. Here
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: SO i think the short answer is That i'm not
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Sure San francisco is that one player, away at least
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: from my. Assessment first of, all you have to look
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: at the talent in their. Division The dodgers have the
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: most in all Of Major League. Baseball they're very daunting right.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Now San diego probably still has a year or two
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: left before they're, cresting if not potentially plateauing and dropping.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Off arizona played in The World series in twenty twenty,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: three so you've got an extremely competitive. DIVISION i think
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: that that's in addition to some other teams in The
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: National league that they're going to have to. Overcome but
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: if you look really at the team that they have
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: put together In San, francisco one thing THAT i Think
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: ryan and listeners can take a look at this is
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Something i've evaluated throughout my. Career if you go To
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Baseball reference Dot com at the top of the, page
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: there's a link to something called THE Mlb. Summary about
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: half of the way down that, page you will see
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: every team and how they performed by position compared to
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: the rest of the. League you can click on the
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: team that you want to look at and you'll see
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: how they. Compare on The San Francisco, giants you're going
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: to see that they were above average at two positions last, year,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: primarily and that was, shortstop headlined By Willie domason in third.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Base outside of, that they really were league average or
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: below league average at almost every other. Position they did
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: find at second base platooning over, there but Between chapman
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: a third At damas at, shortstop those were their two competitive.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Advantages their starting rotation was, solid but really close to
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: average over the course of the. Season their bullpen was above,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: average but they traded a lot of those guys at the.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Deadline SO i Think Buster posey And Zach manacien are
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: looking at this offseason and, saying rather than put all
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: of our resources into acquiring one, pitcher my guess is
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: they're going to spread it out over a few positions
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: and try to address a few spots on the, field
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: try to like buoy a few different spots become much more,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: competitive and then maybe they're a team that would strike
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: mid season if they end up competing a little bit
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: above where they are right now and show some real
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: signs of, development as well as monitoring how The National
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: League west is doing at that. Point but once, AGAIN
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: i Think San francisco right now is just not that
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: one player. WAY i think they're going to need to
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: spread it. OUT i think they're going to have to
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: improve in a variety of different places to, compete not
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: only in their division but in The National.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: League so ask more, broadly what factors keep front offices
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: from pushing in when the roster feels. CLOSE i don't
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: know if you answered.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: That, Yeah SO i think there's a variety of ways
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: to look at, that AND i certainly would Welcome ryan
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: And tom's perspective on this as. Well is the reality
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: is these jobs are very valued and, coveted and we
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: want to stay in, them and every demonstrative move you
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: make to try to win can be evaluated and, scrutinized
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: and sometimes we make mistakes and you're held accountable to.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Those SO i think, fundamentally sometimes gms would prefer not
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: to make the tough decision because that tough decision will
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: be evaluated in. Activity sometimes it is a lot more
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: difficult to weigh in judge than activity. Is SO i
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: think if you're a little further, away that's a reason
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: why you maybe would wait until you're really poised to
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: strike to know that that next move will help you,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: win rather than hoping and guessing that that next move
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: will help you. Win BUT i think in, addition there
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: are just so many different ways to win right. NOW
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: i think the idea of getting that one superstar as
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: the headliner in baseball has not proven to necessarily be
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: the way you need to have a balanced. Team you're
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: seeing teams Like milwaukee who have done it with the
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: strength of their team is that their players ten through
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: twenty five are just better than most. Teams so there's
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways to do. It toronto even did
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: that and they made it to The World. Series seattle
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: did that as. Well they were a very balanced. TEAM
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: a lot more of these teams are very balanced rather
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: than top heavy with superstars and then balanced out with
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: league average.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: Players thank. You that next question is From scott In.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: Detroit this one's For. Tom what's your perspective on The
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: Frank ragnat situation, retiring attempting a, comeback then failing a
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: physical and re. Retiring and as a FORMER, gm did
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: you ever deal with anything similar and what are the
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: toughest parts of navigating that kind of?
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Uncertainty actually there is, One and you, know these, situations
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: they usually play out exactly how you. Expect not, well
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: when you have a player that's that's coming back off,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: of you, know our retirement to try and come back and.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: PLAY i, mean if you're not in an offseason, program
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: if you're not in a training, camp you're not in
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: the first half of the, season it's just hard to
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: jump back in and play like a playoff level with
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: other players that have been, playing the level of, talent
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: the level of body conditioning the players have at that.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Point so, typically like in this, situation when you hear
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: About Frank regnow coming out of, retirement it sounds great
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: because it's a big, name but in reality your chances
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: of production from that are just so. Slim and with
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: with Rad, NOW i, mean one of the reason why
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: you retired in the first place was was due to.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Injuries and we had a situation not WHEN i was A,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: gm but WHEN i was with The colts in two
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: thousand and, six Our Super bowl, year we Had Brandon
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: stokely was our third. Receiver he was our slot. Receiver
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: he was, outstanding one of the best slots in THE
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: nfl at that. Time he got injured about halfway through
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: the year and we wanted to keep the high flying offense.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Going And Ricky, proll who had just retired the year
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: before and came out of, retirement played one more year
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: with The Carolina. Panthers we talked him out of retirement
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: to come work out for, us to possibly sign with The.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Colts and at this, point you, Know ricky was thirty
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: eight years, old he'd been in the league for sixteen
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: years of his, generation was probably the best inside receiver
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: in a twenty twenty five year, span outstanding at thirty
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: eight years. Old he comes in to work out for,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: us and he runs routes and he was still, quick
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: he was still explosive in and out of his, breaks
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: always had excellent. Hands it was a great, workout especially
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: considering his, age but even take his age out of,
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: it his outstanding. Workout we signed. Him but you, know
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: once the pads got, on once the everyday you know practice,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: schedule once the game, started you could tell he just
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: didn't have enough. Anymore and he end up PLAYING i
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: think in two games FOR us he had three. Catches
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: he ended up getting A Super bowl ring out of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: x we won The Super. Bowl but in the, end
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: it's just really really. Difficult so but you, know when
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: you're in that situation Like detroit is and you're trying
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: to maybe just fill a couple holes here or, there
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: it's worth taking a look as we're you, Know Brandon
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: graham that came.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Back with The.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: Eagles you know a little extra pass rush that can
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: help them out, Possibly but in the end it sounds,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Good but in the, end you, know usually you don't
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: get a whole lot of bump and production from. It.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: Right next one is For. Ryan this one's From darren
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: In memphis in AN nba built around mismatch hunting in
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: one on one. Creation how has the modern style reshaped
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: the way front offices evaluate whether a dominant college player
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Like zach edy can scale to today's.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Game, Yeah Zach edie is a fascinating case, study, guys
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  Speaker 2: because in my draft history in THE nba going back
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  Speaker 2: about twenty five years, now he was as polarizing a
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  Speaker 2: prospect AS i can, remember especially from An american born
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  Speaker 2: prospect or An american based, prospect you played high level
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  Speaker 2: basketball or college basketball, Fans i'm sure Remember Zach edy
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  Speaker 2: At purdue leading that team deep in the tournament a couple,
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  Speaker 2: times including to The National Championship game a few years
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  Speaker 2: back when he was a.
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  Speaker 1: Senior they lost To.
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  Speaker 2: Yukon you, know seven to four big men dominant in college,
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  Speaker 2: physically with the strength and the, skill really impressive two
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  Speaker 2: way player won a number Of National player of The year.
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  Speaker 2: Awards now that being, said the history of certain college big,
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  Speaker 2: men especially older college big, men coming into THE nba,
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  Speaker 2: recently has not been. Great and be interested to get
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  Speaker 2: the group's take on, it but there were a number
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  Speaker 2: of guys who WERE i would not call these, guys you,
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  Speaker 2: know kind of quote unquote hot take guys or general flame.
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  Speaker 2: Throwers these are guys who are usually pretty reasonable and
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  Speaker 2: level with their. Evaluations we're Saying zakid's going to be a.
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  Speaker 2: Bust there's no way he's going to make. It he's too,
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  Speaker 2: slow and they said it like it was. Obvious and
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  Speaker 2: that's WHERE i think for the three of us who
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  Speaker 2: have done the jobs we have as long as we
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  Speaker 2: have in these front. Offices you need some humility in
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  Speaker 2: these equipt because nobody's right all the. Time and WHAT
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  Speaker 2: i would say, is if you're going to go that
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  Speaker 2: far out on the limb and, say either this guy's
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  Speaker 2: going to be unbelievably, great there's no, downside he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a, superstar or he's going to be a,
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  Speaker 2: bust especially at the opposite end of the, spectrum you
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  Speaker 2: better be. Right because WHAT i sawt that with With
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  Speaker 2: Zach edie is a lot of people who are certain
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  Speaker 2: that this guy couldn't play at, all that The Memphis
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  Speaker 2: grizzlies were wasting their time picking him in the lottery
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  Speaker 2: and using a top ten pick on. Him, now probably
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  Speaker 2: if they're looking in the, mirror they're eating their. Words
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  Speaker 2: because The Western conference And Eastern conference in THE nba
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  Speaker 2: Have player of The week nominees every.
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  Speaker 1: Week edie did not win it in The.
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  Speaker 2: West Luka downstich was The Western conference play of the,
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  Speaker 2: week But edie was one of the handful of guys.
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  Speaker 2: Nominated that's how well he's playing right now for The Memphis.
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  Speaker 1: GRIZZLIES i think the average member of the media who
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  Speaker 1: was so definitive in Saying edie was not going to
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  Speaker 1: be good is now making their next, declaration not amending
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  Speaker 1: their previous. DECLARATION i think each of those guys should
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  Speaker 1: have to, put parenthetically when they make these, declarations what
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  Speaker 1: their record has been on the last fifteen declaration they've,
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  Speaker 1: made BECAUSE i guess as most of these guys are
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  Speaker 1: shooting about twenty two percent or something around there in
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  Speaker 1: terms of their success rate in calling these things. Out
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  Speaker 1: but that's the nature of the media, today, guys where
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  Speaker 1: the more, demonstrative the more, convicted the kind of the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: more inflammatory you can, be the more clicks you, get
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  Speaker 1: the more draws you get to your your name to
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  Speaker 1: the entity for which you're, working and you get rewarded
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  Speaker 1: for that rather than necessarily. Accuracy there are very few
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  Speaker 1: meakulpas in the media where they go back and revise previous.
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  Speaker 1: Statements they just make the next emphatic one and we
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  Speaker 1: all read it and comment on.
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  Speaker 3: It scouting is an inexact. Science it just. Is and
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  Speaker 3: in this, case maybe he didn't fit for a lot
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  Speaker 3: of teams and he wouldn't have played well in whatever
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  Speaker 3: schemes or offenses or defense they. Run it maybe it
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  Speaker 3: fits the team that drafted him very. Well but, yeah
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  Speaker 3: there's no guarantees and player evaluation it's humans evaluating other,
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  Speaker 3: humans so you know there's going to be. Misfactors but,
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  Speaker 3: shoot a lot of times it's just being in the
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  Speaker 3: right place at the right time for that, player right,
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  Speaker 3: coaches the right, scheme the right, teammates and a player
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  Speaker 3: might fit or it may not. Fit but, yeah but
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  Speaker 3: in the media that we're never, wrong right because we
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  Speaker 3: have no one answer to, anymore and we just move
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  Speaker 3: on to the next. Topic but in, reality the waist
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  Speaker 3: scouting is there's just no, guarantees all.
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  Speaker 4: Right next question is For. Thad this one's From trent In.
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  Speaker 4: Toronto what do you make of The Blue jays Giving
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Dylan sees a seven, year two hundred and ten million
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  Speaker 4: dollar contract and for, reference in twenty twenty, Five cease
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  Speaker 4: went eight and twelve had a four point five to
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  Speaker 4: FIVE era and.
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  Speaker 1: A one point one. War, Well ryan just used the term,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: polarizing And i'm going to use that With DYLAN. Cc
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  Speaker 1: he is kind of a fascinating player to look at
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: because on the positive, side he's done something almost no
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: pitcher has done in the, game which is he just
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't missstarts and that's something That Ross, adkins the general
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: manager of The Toronto Blue, jays has valued very. Highly
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Jose burrios fits, that so Does Kevin. Gosman if you
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  Speaker 1: look at over the last five, seasons those three guys
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: now have made they're in the top five and starts
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  Speaker 1: made by starting, pitchers which is something that is extremely
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: valuable in the. Game we talk about the best ability is,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: availability and those three guys tow the rubber every fifth.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Day burrios got hurt at the end of the, season
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: but side of, that those guys just don't go on
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: the il and that is an amazing value to the.
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  Speaker 1: Team two Is Dylan cees has one of the best
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: fastballs in the game and it results in a very
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: high whiff, rate a lot of swings and misses from the,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: hitters as well as a lot of. Strikeouts he has
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: one of the best strikeout rates in the. Game those
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: things are extremely, valuable especially when you're facing exceptional hitters
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: as you get into the, playoffs Which toronto aspires to do.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Now on the flip, side he has had a volatile
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: er over the last four seasons to two eras that
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: weren't very good two aras that were, exceptional so, qualitatively
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: he hasn't been at the top of the game every
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: year in a year out which you would think somebody
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: who gets thirty million times seven years. Would, additionally if
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: you look over his, career he's averaging about five and
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: a third innings pitched per. Start is a guy who
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: delivers extreme quality but over shorter periods of, Time so
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: you need to match him up with a, very very good.
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  Speaker 1: Bullpen SO i Think Ross atkins in The Toronto Blue.
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  Speaker 1: Jays my guess is what we're going to see over
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: the course of the rest of this, offseason they're probably
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: going to make a move or two in that bullpen
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: to make this sign even more valuable to The Toronto Blue,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Jays because if you have somebody who can really ice
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: them out for the last three innings of a, game
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: see says every ability to ice the team out for
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: the first six innings and give you a ton of.
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  Speaker 1: Innings the last Thing i'll say About Dylan cease is
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  Speaker 1: The Toronto Blue jays have one of the best defenses
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  Speaker 1: in all Of Major League. Baseball Ross atkins has masterfully
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  Speaker 1: built a defense that really matches up with his Pitchers
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Kevin gosman's era got better when he went. There most
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: starting pitchers have the same will happen For Dylan. Cees
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: so there's a stat CALLED, fip which is fielding independent.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Era there was about a run different between his era
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: last year what his his era should have been if
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: he had an average defense behind. Him Dylan cees now
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: not only have an average defense behind, him he'll have
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: an elite defense behind. Him SO i Think Ross atkins
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: is banking on the fact that qualitatively he's going to
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: improve in front of that, defense and then they're going
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: to take advantage of his ability to neutralize some of
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: the best hitters in the game as they play deep
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: into next season and ideally make another playoff.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: Run this one's From alex In San, Antonio. Texas what
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: team out of The west do you think is the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: best shot to take Down?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Okay see, WELL i think there are a couple of,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: contenders led by The Houston. Rockets rockets are after a
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: great start this. YEAR i think they had a terrific
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: year last. Year there was number two seed in The Western,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: conference way ahead a schedule as far as the fifty
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: plus wins and what they did in the regular, season
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: but then they get into the. Playoffs it was a
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: tough draw for them because coming out of the play
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: in as the seventh seed was The Golden State. Warriors
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: and the main reason The warriors were in that position
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: is because they underachieved a lot of the regular. Season
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: but then they made the big trade with The Miami
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: heat to bring In Jimmy butler From, miami that third
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: star kind of in between the back Court Steph curry
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: and Then Draymond green on the front. Line and sure,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: enough after, that The warriors played like a legitimate championship
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: pretender down the. Stretch SO i, think you, know but,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: sometimes as you guys, know the regular season is different
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: than the, playoffs and when you get to the playoffs
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't go the way you'd, hoped it's kind
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: of a sobering, thing especially after a very good regular.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Season SO i Think houston looked in the mirror and, Said,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: okay we have enough, toughness we have young, talent we have.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Depth but a lot of times oftentimes in THE nba,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: playoffs the game slows. Down it becomes a half court
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: versus half court battle where their team has scouted your
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: team and knows exactly what you want to do and vice,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: versas so you can kind of try to take away
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: or limit. Strengths and What houston was missing was a
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: guy can go get buckets over the top of a,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: defense even a set. Defense that's what the elite players,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: do the all time Great hall Of fame caliber players do.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: That And houston went out and traded for one And
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Kevin durant he can do. That SO i think that's
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: part of the difference WHY i really like The rockets.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Roster they Have Amin thompson that we talked about a
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: Star thompson earlier in the Show man his brother young
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: superstar down In. Houston he's gonna be one of the
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: best two way players in the. League and Then Alfred.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Shengoon not the most athletic, guy but a. Genius he
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: associates The Nikola jokic when you watch him. Play The
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: turkish big man was An All star For. HOUSTON i
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: think he'll be An All star again this. Year so with,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: that AND i did kind of THE nba season. PREVIEW i,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: went you, know a bit, countertrenk SO i thought it'd
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: be too easy to pick, okay see to, Repeat SO
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: i went with The Houston rockets to win The Western.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Conference i'll stick with, that but also keep an eye
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: on The Denver nuggets Because Nikola jokic is playing at
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: a historic level once, again AND i think this is
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: the deepest team The joker and The nuggets have had
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: at least in the last handful of, years including the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: team that maybe won the championship twenty twenty three just
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: a few years. Back SO i look at those two,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: teams BUT i think it's Okay seas to, lose to be,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: honest we talked about it at the, Opening so they're historically.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Good and Shake Gildas. Alexander you look at what he's,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: doing especially in isolation. Situations you know he's basically unguardable now,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: where and that's a lot of times what it comes down.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: To when you get your best player on an island
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: and against even their best, Defender if their best defender
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: can't stop your best, guy then you have a great
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: chance to, win especially if you have a talented team
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: around your best. Player that's exactly What okac has around SG.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: A thanks for.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Joining us once again here on rosters to Rings fourth
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Ad levine For Tom telesco for our Producer Wyatt, KRUEGER
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