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The Many Challenges For The Phillies (PST Episode 678) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Speaker 5: Eric.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just like get into some of the topics that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be getting into.
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  Speaker 3: First, we got to talk about Lebron James. We wanted
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  Speaker 3: to do folks. We wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: Do a special PSD special and we just couldn't find
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  Speaker 1: the time to do it right after Lebron James was
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  Speaker 1: signed last week. But we're gonna talk about what him
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  Speaker 1: coming to the Sixers means for this team and is
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  Speaker 1: this whose team is this? We should say, I mean
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  Speaker 1: as this is Tyre's Maxi's team right at this point,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going.
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  Speaker 3: To talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Eagles training camp has started, going to get into some
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  Speaker 1: storylines there, and also Bryce Harper Don Mattingly both appeared
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  Speaker 1: to be a little annoyed with each other and what
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  Speaker 1: are the implications of this recent rift. And we got
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  Speaker 1: more Phillies talk this week with our good friend Destiny
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  Speaker 1: Legardo from Phillies Nation dot com. She's going to join
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  Speaker 1: us to talk about this Phillies team as the trade
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  Speaker 1: deadline approaches. A lot of challenges that this team has.
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  Speaker 1: So Eric, why don't we just like get right into it,
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  Speaker 1: because the biggest news in the world of Philly sports,
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  Speaker 1: And no, it's not just Eagles training camp starting, it's
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Lebron James is now a member of
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  Speaker 1: this Philadelphia seventy six.
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  Speaker 3: Ers team and organization.
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  Speaker 1: Man, what this means, I mean there are so many
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  Speaker 1: implications for where this team is going to go this
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  Speaker 1: upcoming season, what the expectations are now for this team
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  Speaker 1: this upcoming season. I got to say I didn't believe
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  Speaker 1: it when we had the notifications coming to our phones.
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  Speaker 1: I had a CBS Sports notification that said Lebron James
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  Speaker 1: is signing with the Philadelphia seventy six ers. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, this has to be some sort of
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  Speaker 1: like joke. It has to be some sort of prank.
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  Speaker 1: But no, man, it happened. And then I got the
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  Speaker 1: text message from you. Oh my god, guys, look look
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  Speaker 1: at what's happening here.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was amazing and like the vibes of where this
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  Speaker 1: team is now going to go this season, the vibes
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  Speaker 1: are high.
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  Speaker 4: Man, You're gonna make this show explicit because we got
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  Speaker 4: Lebron fucking James. Yeah, fuck you sis, Yes, yes, I
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  Speaker 4: mean that is the story right now of in Philadelphia sports.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he didn't necessarily choose Philadelphia, but he you know,
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  Speaker 4: he chose this franchise. It was his best obviously his
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  Speaker 4: best chance given all the options he had on the whiteboard,
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  Speaker 4: of winning another title, and we signed Lebron James probably
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  Speaker 4: what the second best player of all time?
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  Speaker 1: You have to formulallion dollars this year exactly. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: care about the money. He doesn't care about the money.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, And with some recent changes, you know, we're
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  Speaker 4: under the first apron. I know that's like boring cap talk,
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  Speaker 4: but it's huge because it allows them flexibility to keep
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  Speaker 4: even doing some more more tinkering to the roster and
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  Speaker 4: just make this even better. And with the Lebron effect
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  Speaker 4: is already being felt, not just in the city, not
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  Speaker 4: just in the NBA and all the financials involved. But
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  Speaker 4: you know, Contavious Colwell Pope Ye took a buyout with
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  Speaker 4: the Grizzlies and immediately joined the Sixers. Yes, and when
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  Speaker 4: is the last time before the season starts? You know,
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  Speaker 4: veterans are taking buyouts and joining the Philadelphia seventy s.
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  Speaker 3: They want to come here, They want to come.
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  Speaker 4: Here, and that's never happened before as far as I know.
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  Speaker 4: This is this is the biggest free agent move for
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  Speaker 4: the Sixers besides maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Moses Malone in eighty three. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it just changes the entire dynamic and
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  Speaker 4: makeup of the team, the excitement level, not just here obviously,
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  Speaker 4: but like just globally and it he flipped the NBA
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  Speaker 4: on its head. You know, there are all terior emotives. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: the day he announced it, he put out a tops
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  Speaker 4: card that was that was a big deal and he
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  Speaker 4: wasn't Philly talking to the fanatics people. So it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: there was definitely business decisions here, and he's going to
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  Speaker 4: live in New York and probably start to like foster
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  Speaker 4: an environment there too.
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  Speaker 1: It's going a helicopter. Yeah, he's going to a helicopter
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  Speaker 1: to Philly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That scares the shit out of me, but I know,
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  Speaker 4: I know, yeah, but uh, there's there's again like a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of signings recently. There's no downside to this, no all,
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  Speaker 4: he didn't create a fervor in the city for the team.
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  Speaker 4: And he's still fucking good. I mean, twenty points and
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  Speaker 4: like six rebounds last year. Like, well, to me, you're
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  Speaker 4: starting four. He's in the right spot. We can talk
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  Speaker 4: basketball too.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's want to get into the basketball aspects of
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  Speaker 1: this too. And you just mentioned something from a rebounding
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  Speaker 1: perspective that I really wanted to hone in on because
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  Speaker 1: I haven't really heard a lot of folks talking about
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  Speaker 1: it too much because, like, in addition to the obvious
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  Speaker 1: playmaking that he is able to do on the court,
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  Speaker 1: we know that rebounding has been a major concern for
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  Speaker 1: the Sixers team for several several years. Look even Joel Embiid,
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  Speaker 1: it's never like an elite rebounder at all, and of
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  Speaker 1: course his body's broken down over the years due to
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  Speaker 1: the laundry list of injuries that he's battled, rebounding has
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  Speaker 1: become a bigger issue with this team. Offensive rebounding has
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  Speaker 1: absolutely sucked for this team. We've talked about that a
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  Speaker 1: number of times on this podcast platform. But with that
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  Speaker 1: six foot nine kind of chiseled frame that we know
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  Speaker 1: Lebron James has, he's he is an archetype of player
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  Speaker 1: that should really help make for some interesting rebounding opportunities
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  Speaker 1: for this team. He pulled in six point one rebounds
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  Speaker 1: per game last year, which was the third low of
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  Speaker 1: his career, but he averages seven point five rebounds per
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  Speaker 1: game throughout the.
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  Speaker 3: Course of his career.
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  Speaker 1: And even with this not being like the peak version
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  Speaker 1: of Lebron Jeames, he's a far more effective rebounder than
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  Speaker 1: players like Kelly Eubray Junior or Dominic Barlow who are
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  Speaker 1: tasked with this type of responsibility last season. I think
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  Speaker 1: rebounding is going to be a ton better for the
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  Speaker 1: team this year, specifically offensive rebounding as well well.
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  Speaker 4: And just look at those two spots you just talked about.
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  Speaker 4: That Uber played three in the four last year. Now
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  Speaker 4: you have Jalen Brown, the three who averaged twenty nine
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  Speaker 4: points in what seven rebounds last year?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're four.
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  Speaker 4: You're starting four as Lebron Fucking James who can still
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  Speaker 4: put up twenty points.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: This make makeup of the roster now just gives you
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  Speaker 4: so much flexibility on the court. You know, Jalen Brown
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  Speaker 4: is a monster three, plays really good defense. You know
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  Speaker 4: he's gonna drive him crazy a couple times this year
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  Speaker 4: with some inconsistent see because I know Boston fans have
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  Speaker 4: the same issue, but he's surrounded by a much better
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  Speaker 4: team in my opinion. Now, this this allows this allowed,
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  Speaker 4: and this allows Lebron to kind of move to the
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  Speaker 4: four where it's it's not as he's not going to
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  Speaker 4: be running as much, right right, try and save his
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  Speaker 4: legs a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: He's not.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to play the point very much,
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  Speaker 4: but they can run offensive sets where they can utilize
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  Speaker 4: his passing because he's I mean, no joke, he's one
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  Speaker 4: of the five best passers in NBA history. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 4: guy's basketball IQ was through the roof. And I know
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  Speaker 4: there were some people who were like, LA frauds coming
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  Speaker 4: to town, and I did hear some of that.
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  Speaker 1: I know the anti Lebron talk out there. Simply, I
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  Speaker 1: don't give a shit. It was just for the sake
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  Speaker 1: of it, just for the sake of getting clicks, for
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  Speaker 1: getting watches looks, and that's all that it was. It
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  Speaker 1: is crazy to me because at the end of the day, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean, well, let's get into you know, whose
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  Speaker 1: team this is really gonna because everybody's oh, it's no
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  Speaker 1: gonna be Lebron's team. No, no, no, Actually, I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe it's gonna be Lebron's team. This is Tyrese Maxi's
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  Speaker 1: team here. And that the bigger point that folks were
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  Speaker 1: talking about about there now being too many mouths to
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  Speaker 1: feed in this offense.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that feels overblown to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there may be a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: turbulence here and there in terms of this team reaching
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  Speaker 1: its peak together every now and again, but having too
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  Speaker 1: much talent on the roster, that's not a problem anybody
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  Speaker 1: should be losing any sleepover.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: And and the fact that Tyrese Maxie is just going
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  Speaker 1: to be starting to enter and is entering that that
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  Speaker 1: prime of his career along with James, along with Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Brown as well, Like, this is Tyrese Maxie's team here,
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  Speaker 1: And the narrative that there's too many mouths to feed that,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's bullshit, I really do. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is they are gonna be the top contender in the
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  Speaker 1: Eastern Conference my opinion, Oh for sure.
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  Speaker 4: And it is definitely Tyrese's team. He you know, to
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  Speaker 4: be the face of a franchise, you have to play. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and durability is a huge huge component of that. And
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  Speaker 4: the nice thing about having Tyresse and vj and and
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Brown as your one two three is they play.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they they all played like what seventy to
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  Speaker 4: seventy five to what eighty games last year? Yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: they play a lot of minutes. And this won't this
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  Speaker 4: won't be in Beads team. This won't be a lebronze
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  Speaker 4: team because simply they're not going to play enough and that.
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  Speaker 4: But here's the good news, they don't have to. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: like there's some nights where you could just roll. You
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  Speaker 4: can just roll the first three I talked about out
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  Speaker 4: and you could beat teams like you could absolutely beat
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  Speaker 4: the Hornets or you know, the Pelicans just with those
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  Speaker 4: three and you just throw in the four and the
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  Speaker 4: five throughout the game, having those three playing hard like
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  Speaker 4: a lot of minutes and being as fucking good.
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  Speaker 2: As they are.
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  Speaker 4: Because you just talked about Maxie entering his prime. If
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  Speaker 4: he hasn't entered it yet, what the hell's that looked like?
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  Speaker 4: Because he was phenomenal last year. He made the All
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  Speaker 4: Star team. I think he was second team All NBA. Like,
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  Speaker 4: to me, that's prime ish and if he still has
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  Speaker 4: another step to go, that's amazing. We haven't talked about
• 11:18
  Speaker 4: my boy Edgecombe happen what this means for him? Yes, man,
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  Speaker 4: is he gonna He is gonna delight in the presence
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  Speaker 4: of lebron James because I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna see a lot of backdoor cuts, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of attention coming up to the three point line. To
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  Speaker 4: Lebron and Jalen Brown and Maxie. That's going to allow
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  Speaker 4: that that's going to open up the entire floor for
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  Speaker 4: VJ to run, jump and make some of the most
• 11:47
  Speaker 4: spectacular alip dunks from Lebron James passes that you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: see all season. And he's a worker. I've seen him
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  Speaker 4: in the gym. He's he was like in the gym
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  Speaker 4: the next day after the playoffs were over. This guy
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  Speaker 4: wants to be great. And you know, I heard a
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: lot about like, well, he's just gonna average twelve points
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  Speaker 4: now because everybody I was like, I don't think that's
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  Speaker 4: gonna happen. Yeah, and even if he does, Yeah, he's
• 12:07
  Speaker 4: going to benefit from this, yeah big time. Yeah, You're
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  Speaker 4: you're going to see a whole different level of Edgecombe
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  Speaker 4: because he surrounded these great players. Not to mention his defense,
• 12:15
  Speaker 4: which is going to get even better, because he was
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: starting to, like he was doing some masterful stuff in
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs. He remember that play on Jalen Brown where
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: he was playing defense with his ass stick in like
• 12:25
  Speaker 4: Game three I think it was, but it was brilliant
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  Speaker 4: because he like led him to the led him to
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  Speaker 4: the paceline, turned and it was a perfect position. It's like,
• 12:33
  Speaker 4: that is like next level defense. I just think you're right.
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  Speaker 4: This has got to be the top contender besides the Knicks.
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  Speaker 4: You can't take anything away from them, right right, But
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  Speaker 4: the East is going to be strong as hell. But man,
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  Speaker 4: they have reinforcements now to compete with that, and not
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  Speaker 4: just compete, but I think they can make the finals.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's been the most exciting type of feels and
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  Speaker 1: vibes that I have had for an NBA season.
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  Speaker 3: And I can't even tell you how long. Man, I
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: can't tell you how long.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this guy it could be like forever in
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  Speaker 1: forever for me, I have not had these type of feels.
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  Speaker 3: In in forever.
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  Speaker 1: When you have again one of the best in the
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  Speaker 1: world who's ever done it on your team, it's amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Dude, I good buddy of mine from from the past.
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  Speaker 2: We call him massive, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because his eyes looks like he's high all the time,
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  Speaker 4: so we call him massive back in the day. He
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: lives in Kansas City, no interest in the NBA whatsoever.
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  Speaker 4: He texted me the day Lebron James got signed and
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: he's like, holy hell, are you excited? This is amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like, asked.
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  Speaker 2: You don't care about basketball?
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  Speaker 3: He was?
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  Speaker 2: He even, he was like, this is incredible. I can't
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: believe this happened.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, you're you're absolutely right that I never it
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: was shocked when I saw the text, and I'm still shocked.
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  Speaker 4: But man, I, what's today? The thirty first July?
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  Speaker 2: Yep? Can they please start training camp now?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 2: He's please? Yeah, like, I can't wait.
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  Speaker 3: Get the season started now? Than oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, we are gonna head to break and
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  Speaker 1: when we get back, and uh, we're gonna get into
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  Speaker 1: some Eagles talk, we're gonna get into some Phillies talk
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  Speaker 1: as well. But we'd also love to hear from you.
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  Speaker 1: Leave a comment below, if you're watching on YouTube, your
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: thoughts on Lebron coming to the Philadelphia seventy six ers,
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: what this does for ty Reese, what this does for VJ. Edgecombe,
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  Speaker 1: and how Jalen Brown is gonna fit into the pieces
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: of what this Sixers team is gonna be. We'd absolutely
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: love to hear from you. We're gonna take that break
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  Speaker 1: now and we come back. We got a bunch of
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: Eagles talk. All right, we are back and we are
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  Speaker 1: with our are still framed a picture of Eric right here.
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  Speaker 3: Who's the King right here? I love it? Anyway, when
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  Speaker 3: the technology fails.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I was all excited.
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  Speaker 4: We got Lebron, I changed my screen name to the
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: King yep, and yeah it didn't work out.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what we have here. But it's an
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: exciting time and Eagles because one training camp is here.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: We are in full training camp mode right now. But
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: right before training camp started, we got the news that
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles and Howie Roseman decided, you know what,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: We're going to give Jalen Carter that extension right now,
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: four years, one hundred and fifty two million dollars going
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: to keep him in Philadelphia through the two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: thirty one season. An average annual value of about thirty
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: eight million dollars per season makes him the highest paid
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle in NFL history, passing Tennessee Titans Jeffrey Simmons,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: who signed his three year deal of one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: five point eight million.
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  Speaker 3: Dollars back in June.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, in my opinion, this is great news, not
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: just because I have a Jalen Carter jersey, but what
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: this does for this defense. It's looking towards the future.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter. We know what he did in the Super Bowl,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: we know what his dominance was two years ago. Last
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: year a bit of an outlier, it seems for him,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: due to some injury issues, of course, But Philadelphia Eagles
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  Speaker 1: in the front office, Howie Roseman, they are betting on
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter to take this defense to another level. Erica,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: of course, I was so glad that this got done again,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: not just because I have a Jaalen Carter jersey, but
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: because of what he does for that defensive line, a
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  Speaker 1: defensive line that we now have some questions about in
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  Speaker 1: terms of pass rush.
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  Speaker 3: But he's the guy.
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  Speaker 1: And if you listen to the podcast last week, folks,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: we had Johnny Page from Bleeding Green Nation dot com
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles Pinpool podcast network on and he.
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  Speaker 3: Said, you know that, and he was right.
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter is the foundational piece of what the pass
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  Speaker 1: rush is going to be and how successful it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be this season.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: This was great news all around.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, how he's a smart guy.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: In the smart move he was to sign probably the
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: second or third best tackle in football, young and talented
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: enough to become the best tackle in football, I would say,
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: and him, he's he's he's Jerome Brown. He's the next
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Jerome Brown. Like they've They've had some great tackles in
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: in Eagles history, Fletcher Cox.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: If you remember chew Q.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Johnson from the late seventies early eighties on the Super
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Bowl teams, and uh, Corey Simon had a great run.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: But I think this guy's more talented than all of them.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: And well, maybe not Jerome Brown because he died so young.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Yea, can we.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: Please keep uh, can we please keep Carter from like
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: racing cars and shit college?
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Make good decisions, make good decisions, jailing, yes.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Please, but not just that, not just his talent alone.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: He sets he just sets the tone for that defense,
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: and he sets the tone for the entire team. I
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: know the offensive line is nasty and Landon Dickerson could
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: be a prick, but this guy, I mean, this guy,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: he I mean he's spitting Dak Prescott's face a cowboy,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: and whether you want to say Dak spit first, it
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: But he doesn't like the Cowboys.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: He doesn't like anybody on the field that is playing
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: against the Eagles, and he's a tone setter, and you
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: have to have those guys if you want to you
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: want to compete in the NFL.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: He's he's the guy like and not to.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: I think his signing also has been I'll say the
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: signing of him and the exit of AJ Brown.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: You want to talk about vibes. I don't know if you've.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Been watching interviews in camp yet or some of the
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: footage on the field, This whole team's vibe is different
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: than last year.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: It's night and day.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Perfect transition, dude, perfect transition. Let's get just get into
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the Eagles training camp. They're in full go mode at
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: this point. Like you said, the vibes are just absolutely
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: incredible here. And it's is it the AJ Brown aspect
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: of it, Yes, it is absolutely there. But I think
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it's also the fact that you have a lot of
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: maturity coming from whether it's the quarterback position. You have
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley, who is an absolute stud of an NFL player,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest to ever play the running back position.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: You now have a healthy offensive line, wide receivers that
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: are doing some pretty incredible things in training camp thus far.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: And on the defensive side of the ball. Yes, it's
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: disappointing that Jonathan Gernard is going to be missing just
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: about all of training camp, and Vic Fangio has said
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: he is not going to be cross training and we're
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: just gonna he's gonna keep him at the linebacker position,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: inside linebacker position, not gonna be an edge rusher. That's
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: all fine and well, but you have now because of
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the Jalen Carter extension that being over. Now, now it's
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: the it's it's it's who's going to be signed next,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Who's going to get those next extension. It's gonna be
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Quinnon Mitchell, of course, it's gonna be Cooper dejen and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: then these vibes of where the defense now is going
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: to be going this season. It is such a high
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: to get these these reports that we're getting every now
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and again, whether you're watching Instagram or whether you're on
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: on Twitter and you're seeing where the team is at
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and the highlights that are shown and just the cohesiveness
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that you're talking about there, Eric, there's just these vibes
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that are different this year, and it looks like it
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: seems like a more mature type of team this year
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: that is really looking to hone in on their best
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: skilled players as they usually do, but how there's just
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: more cohesiveness, it seems this year. And that that's these
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: vibes that I'm getting.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I I'd never delve too far into aj brown
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: saga with the Eagles near the end a little bit.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: And you know, he did come out looking like an asshole.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: You know, let let's just say it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Because I mean, he's the only he's the only thing
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: that's different so far this early in the season. And
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: like I said, the vibes seem really well. Jalen Hurts
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden has a personality. I don't know
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: what happened, but you know, he gave he put he
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: gave five bucks to Jalen. Carter was like, here, put more,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: put five on it. Yes, there's an extra five. I
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: don't think I've ever seen him do that kind of stuff.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: He's maybe he's coming out of being a quiet leader
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: and he's going to be a little more vocal.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: And you know when they won, when they won.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Two years ago the Super Bowl, they caught fire and
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: they were the best team in the NFL by the
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: end of the year, right, But you know that was
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: it was still a really young team. I mean, Mike God,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: they had two rookies at cornerback basically or not basically,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: and like now they're now, they're now they're veterans, right,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: you know, And it was maybe it was good to
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: get that bad season out of the way last this
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: past year, because you know, there's always hangover seasons for
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl teams typically. Yeah, and you know, they they
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: got out of theirs unscathed pretty much. Uh, they got
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: rid of a j Brown who seemed to be kind
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: of the only issue on on on within the team.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: And now they're a little more mature, they're a little
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: older and there I think on paper, they're actually more
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: talented than they were two years ago. I mean it
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: they have two what top eight cornerbacks yeah, yeah in
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: the league.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fact that Rik wooland I am absolutely
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: high on him.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: I was just going to mention him, he's their third cornerback. Yeah,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: he just won a Super Bowl for guys. Yeah, They
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: have Andrew mccouba, who's probably top thirty you know back
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: or you know, defensive backfield kind of player. And I
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: mean they had Jihad Campbell Bond not to mention what
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: they have to top ten tackles yeah, I mean, the
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: only the only part of the defense I'm a little
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: concerned about is defensive edge rush. But you know, they
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: picked up the kid from the Vikings, like you talked about,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: and offensively, I've heard a lot of you know, Blg's been.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Tweeting about it a lot, a.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Lot more quicker passes over the middle, Yes, not as
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: much stuff outside. Yes, he's utilizing all of his weapons.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Mkay lemon.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Apparently it looks fast as hell, which which feels really good.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I've long thought DeVante could be a one and now
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: he is. Yea and man, I've even heard some good
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: things about the tight end they drafted, so like, they
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: have weapons. If the offensive line can stay healthy, that's
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: always a big.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: If that's the key, man, that's the key.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Because look, i mean one of the biggest stories in
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: training camp is always you know, who's in, who's out?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Injury bug all of that, and considering what Cam Jurgens
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and Land and Dickerson have been through the last couple
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: of years and the questions they face coming into this
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: training camp, I mean, it's so encouraging to know that.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, the injuries, the very serious injuries during the
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Super Bowl run and then last year
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: with Cam Jurgens missing three games with a knee injury,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: dealing with lingering back pain as well Landon Dickerson out
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: with it was out with a torn meniscus at this
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: point last year had to be scoped, and then ankle
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: injuries throughout the season. The fact that these guys went
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: through stem cell treatments during the offseason to try to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: get healthy enough to regain that elite form that they've
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: had and their full go here at training camp and
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: at this point they are looking fine. They are looking good.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: They are the keys to the offensive success in my mind. Yes,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurt's absolutely critical Saquon Barkley, Dallas Godd or Eli
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Stowers once he starts getting into the fold as a rookie.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: But we've got incredibly talented tackles in Lane Johnson and
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Jordan Mylatta.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: But man, Cam Jurigens and Landon Dickerson.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Their health, it's so super important that they remain healthy
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: for this offense to be as successful as I know
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: that it can be, and the Eagles nation knows that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it can be as well.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the last two Super Bowls they won
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: the offensive line was just decimating the other defensive defensive lines,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: and that is obviously the key. You know, I talked
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: about defensive edge rush, but the offensive line if they
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: can stay healthy. I mean, Lane Johnson is slowly becoming
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: the li On James at the NFL. Like he's he's
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: just been doing this for how long now? I mean,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: and I read some ridiculous statute I don't have in
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: front of me, but like he's only given up like
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: ten sacks in some absurd amount of snaps or something
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: in about ten years, like ten years, Like that's crazy.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: And the good the good thing is he's bookended by
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: probably the best tackle in football right now. So the
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: talents there, I mean, just just roster wise, I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: this roster is not just more talented, it's just more
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: versatile because there's so many good young players. But they
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: also have the veterans in place, and those guys that
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: made those huge plays in the last Super Bowl are
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: now three years into the league and now they know
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: the expectations and this just feels like it feels like
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: it's going in the right direction. I'm not, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: I saw I saw a small clip on ESPN of
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: the day you know who's going to win the who's
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: going to win the title? Eagles are six Ers? And
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: one guy said both, And I'm like, all right, let's
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: all slow.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm down here, Calm down, pump yeah, breaks, yes.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: But the fact that it's even an ESPN topic, right,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: it is so interesting to me because they actually took
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: a break from their thirty minutes of the Cowboys News, Yeah,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: to talk about the Eagles and Sixers, and they somehow
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: this city has vaulted into like the mainstream consciousness and
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: talking points, incredibles, annoying talking heads. Yeah, and I kind
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: of like it, yeah, because it makes the show easier
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: for us as your sure and you know, I know.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: There's still Philly fans like whoever would hear to us.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: It's like, it's okay if people start to like us, Yeah,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: it's okay, okay.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: It's all right.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I don't mind it. I don't mind it at all.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, well, let us know what you're thinking here
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: on YouTube. Believe it's a comment below on this Philadelphia
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Eagles team training camp. The various storylines we'd love to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: hear from you, and we are going to take a
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: break and we get back and talk about Bryce Harper
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: don maddingly.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, what's going on with this Phillies team? Stick
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: with us. The Philadelphia phil are floundering in a number.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Of ways, not just on the field, but behind the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: scenes as well. As we know this past week, a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: public rift has really made its way into all of
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: our feeds and into unfortunately, what this Philadelphia Philly season
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: has become. Of course, Bryce Harper being interviewed this past
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: week and saying that the team is going to need
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to get some help, and Dave Dombrowski essentially being you know,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: put under a put under a microscope because of he's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: always under a microscope. But that rift that was probably
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: still there from the off season this past year and
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: what's happening with the Phillies now that they are floundering. Look,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Bryce Harper wasn't wrong in terms of what he said.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: The Phillies do need help, Like he said, they need
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: an effective right hand bat. And we're going to be
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: getting into this with our discussion with Destiny Legardo from
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Phillies Nation dot Com in a bit. They've needed a
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: right handed and left handed reliever and they probably need
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: one more starting pitcher as well. Yes, Bryce Harper was
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: absolutely correct when he said that this team needs help.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Did he have to do this in the way that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: he went about it. He was actually asked whether or
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: not the Phillies are going to get that help, and
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: he said, well, we'll see, that's a Dave question, meaning
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Dave Dombrowski of course. And look, Bryce Harper, he hasn't
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: been doing all that great during this stretch, and it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: leading Don Mattingly now to essentially come to the defense
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of the front office. And he was jabbing and poking
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: at Bryce Harper as well, which leads me to the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: fact that Eric this riff that we are seeing between
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Bryce Harper and Don Mattingley here leads me to believe
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Maddingly's probably not going to be around maybe after this season,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: He's probably not going to be here for the long haul.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: And it also leads me to believe that I think
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: this Phillies team and the season and the whole window
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: that we were talking about is just closed here at
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: this point. As disappointing as it is for me to
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: say that and to come to that realization, this team
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: ain't going to the World Series, This team is not
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: going to the NL Championship Series. This year, because when
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you have the infighting and the rift going on behind
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the scenes, you're not gonna have positive productivity and playmaking
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that's needed on the field. You're not gonna have good
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: at bats, You're not gonna have consistency because you're dealing
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: with the bullshit behind the scenes. And I've kind of
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: just relegated myself to the fact that now this isn't
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: gonna be the year that we're really gonna get excitement
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: from this team in the postseason. It's happening here at
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the end of July as we're heading into August. That
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: realization for me. I don't know, I could be wrong.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I'm usually the optimistic one on this podcast platform here,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: but that's where I'm at right now with this whole
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Bryce Harper, Don Mattingley, Dave Dombrowski, thing man, what are
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: your thoughts here with this storyline?
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Now, I'm gonna go Negadelphia here, Yeah, yeah, I'm going
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: back the old days. Fuck this team right now. You
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: talked about having bad at bets because of the vibes.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: This is a vibe show. Apparently they're not having bad
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: at bets because the vibes. It's because they suck. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: mean Alec Baum, Bryce and Stott are bums. Let's just
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: let's just lay it out there. Come on, like they're
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: just not the guys. And when when they were surrounded
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: by guys like in their prime, like Schwarber and Harper,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: you know, like twenty twenty two, some of their some
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: of their some of their just like some of their negatives,
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: you know, we kind of ignored. And now when they're
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: expected to perform, they're just not. They're just not very
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: good baseball players like that. I don't they need so
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: much help. It's it's not even fine. I agree with
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Bryce Harper, Yeah you need help, but you're not helping
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: yourself either.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and neither is your neither are your teammates.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: We talked about the pitching real quick that you know
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: when when the darting with the big three don't start.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: This team's fourteen and thirty four and there's just no
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: depth at starting pitcher. And Andrew Painter was a complete bust.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Andrew no or Aaron Nola. Since he signed the deal,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: his deal has just been awful and the bullpen has
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: been pretty shitty, and you're not hitting it just it
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: just reeks of an old Rickety team. When the because
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: when your aces don't play, you have no chance. And
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: you saw that in the Marlins series. Oh hell they
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: actually they're big three started in the Marlin series, I'm wrong,
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: and they lost all three games.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Swept by the Marlins, for God's sake.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Swept by the Marlins who were like on a twelve
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: game skid at that point. So things are things are
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: really bad. And the negadelphia in me is like, if
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: you don't go all in this year, because this is
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: your window, this is it, it might be shut. Like
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: you said, Jeff, I kind of lean that way as well. Yeah,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: but if it's just if it's crack at this point,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Dombrowski has to go all in. Like this team is
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: old that I don't see much of a future at
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: this point because the young players are just not performing
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: like once once Harper walks away whatever, Like this is
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: pretty much it. And the trade market is brewing. No
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: big trades have really happened, so it's still kind of
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: an open, open market. If you don't go out, all
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: out and get don't don't give me what was the
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: term you used, A reliable bat? Yeah, that does nothing
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: for me. Reliable bat is like a picture that pitches
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: to contact. Remember that old term in the two thousands
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: that announcers would use all that met was the guy
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: gives up home runs, right right, that's all. That's what
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: a reliable bat is to me. No, you need to
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: go get like a Byron Buckston. You need to go
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: get like a Kevin Gossman from the Blue Jays as
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: a pitcher or Joe Ryan from the Twins, like you
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: need to make a splash. You're you've proven that your
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: farm system sucks balls from Stott to Painter and Bomb,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: and you know some of the young guys haven't had
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: a chance to perform yet. I don't care about them
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: at this point. You know, I love minor league talk,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: and what did Ada Millindery yesterday? I don't care, Like, yeah,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: I want those guys gone to build, to give this
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: team one more shot, because this this feels like it's it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And I want to pose a question to you quick.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: You talked about Maddingly chiming in on this and not
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: being here for long. Do you think he do you
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: think he's going at Harper because he's trying to get
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: on Don Browski's good side to get a contract.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I think that could yeah, because he's not.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Going after real mood to Schwarberg, He's going after the
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: guy that Don Browski targeted and seems to be kind
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: of the villain internally within the Phillies. Yeah, I feel
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: like he's doing that to maybe foster you know, goodwill
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: with the GM.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I think so too.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Look, we know in sports, just like in the professional world,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the corporate world, even with dealing with public service, there's
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: a political aspect of everything. Unfortunately, in life, guys want
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to hold onto their jobs. Don Mattingly wants to hold
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: onto that job as manager of the Philadelphia Phillies because
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: right now, look the Phillies has of us recording this
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: are fifty seven and fifty two, I believe, still holding
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the second NL wildcard spot. And yes, while the team
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: does seem like it's broken right now, they're cushing in.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: The wildcard race is narrowed to what half a game
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: above the Diamondbacks who have the third slot, and one
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and a half games above the Pirates who are just
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: outside the bubble. So yeah, Don Mattingley's thinking this could
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: be it for me. I need to get on the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I need to get on Dave Dombrowski's good side. He's
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the decision maker, likely still going to be the decision
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: maker for some time. As many people in Phillies Nation
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: have said, we don't want Dombrowski here making these decisions anymore.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: He's still the guy.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, Eric, I think this is Don Mattingly
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: having to play some politics here saying to keep my job.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: And and if if the slide continues and they make
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: kind of a paltry deal on Monday, by Monday at
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: six o'clock the deadline, and they go like they wind
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: up ten games under five hundred or whatever, you know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: he's going to take a lot of blame for it,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: whether he likes it or not, because he's not you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: the fans are not going to turn on Bryce Harper.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: It's just not going to happen.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Mattingly is going to be the person that gets most
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: of the heat, as well as Don Browski, who, by
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: the way, they just extended his contract. Yes, wow, you
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: better make a hell of a move by Monday at
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: six o'clock to warrant that extension because if they come
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: out with some trade announcement that is just it just
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: leaves me flaccid. I I will I will hone in
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: on the Eagles and six Ers so hard and the Flyers. Honestly, yes,
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: and the Phillies will become the fourth most interesting team
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: in Philadelphia to me if you just kind of if
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: you make a small deal and you just keep playing
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: this pathetic almost five hundred baseball the rest of the
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: way or even below five hundred at that point. And man,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: they we always have about the rankings of the teams
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: in the city on the show.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they could.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: They could fall to four so fast that they have
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: three days to change the narrative.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: They do in my opinion, So it's amazing, you know,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: a small piece of time, a small section of time,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: how important that can be for our franchise, for the
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: fan base and the direction of the team.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: It's it's really amazing how that all works out.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: So, buddy, I'm gonna let you go unless you got
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: any more for this Phillies talk with Bryce Harper and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Don Mattingley here and then we'll get to our interview
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: this week.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: You got any final thoughts.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Listen, If the All Star Game in Philadelphia was the
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: highlight for this team this year, yeah, that's pretty fucking
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: sad because that happened a few weeks ago in July, so.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: We were all on a high from that because of
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: the hype. Man, holy cow vibe good. Yes, it was
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: so much fun. It is keep the fun going. Dombrowski.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Please absolutely all right, folks, were gonna take a break,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: we get back. Destiny Logardo from Philliesnation dot COM's going
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to join us to continue talking about the challenges that
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: this Phillies team is having.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Stick with us.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: And now on the table.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: We got to get into this Philadelphia Phillies team. I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: guess we have to at this point, even though they're
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: absolutely frustrating. We have from Phillies Nation dot com. Love
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: that site, have loved it for years. They're doing a
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: great job over there. We've got one of our good friends,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Destiny Logardo, my friend. Thank you so much for taking
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the time to jump on to talk about this frustrating
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Phillies team.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Thank you for having me, Jeff. It's popping a good stretch.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: It hasn't with this team every year. There is always
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: this promise, There is always this hope, Destiny that streaks
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: that are good, that are productive, that we see that
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: promise are going to last and remain consistent. Yet for
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: some reason, every year they go through these slumps, certain
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: players will go through slumps, and yes, it is baseball,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: but it just seems so incredibly frustrating, and we should
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: have a crystal ball at this point to say, yeah,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: this is gonna happen.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: This is what's gonna happen.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: This is where our frustrations are going to be here
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: towards the end of July, as we are starting August here,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I just my hope has dwindled here. And I don't
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: necessarily mean to make light of it, but I feel
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: like I should have just seen this coming. I'm an
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: apologist really for the organization, for a lot of the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: talent on this team. I've been an apologist just because
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I'm the hopeful optimist here on this podcast platform. I
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: don't know, you see it all the time when you're
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: at Citizens Bank Park, and the way that these guys
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: are performing.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: It's not like they don't want to play well.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: It's not like they don't want to hit the ball
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: or pitch well from the mound. What are your overall
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: assessments like right now at this particular point in time.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: We're recording this on the twenty ninth of July.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: There's nothing wrong with being the optimist. This is definitely
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: the worst rut they've been in since Don Mattingly has
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: taken over, and I do want to acknowledge just the
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: pace that they've played since the managerial change has been
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: pretty incredible, and this is probably going to happen at
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: some point. I didn't think it would be as bad
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: as it is now. I mean, you know, the Marlins
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: came in twelve straight losses and then they dropped that
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: that first game, which that was a pretty brutal loss
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: up to in the ninth inning, and then another breaking heartbreak, Yeah,
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: another one nothing loss. I think. I remember last year
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: when the schedule came out and we saw, you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: the Mets, Dodgers, and Yankees as a home stand, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: we all kind of assumed that that was going to
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: be a real challenge for them. Part of it was
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: because we thought the Mets were a legit team. Yeah
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: they're not, but it's it still was a pretty you know,
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: especially during the Dodgers series. It's evident that they are
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: many steps below the Dodgers, and I couldn't really say
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: that last year. I think they were the Dodgers were better,
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: but they were more competitive against them. So yeah, I mean,
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: they got good pitching last night, but the Bats are
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: really struggling. It's everything is a lot more difficult when
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: guys like Schwarber, who he hasn't even even been in
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: the lineup, and Harper and now marshare all struggling. The
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: lack of depth is really showing. So yeah, they got
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: to start winning. Yeah, they got to start winning.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: They do, they do.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: And look, I mean, I know we're coming right out
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: of the gate here kind of talking about the negative
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: aspects of this team, but it's what's in front of us.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: We have to talk about it too.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: And we're certainly going to talk about some talent in
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: just a bit on this team and what may actually
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: be happening for the trade deadline. But I wanted to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: actually talk about something that I thought was a little
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: bit bizarre this week, and you all wrote about it
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: over at Phillies Nation dot com. Alecbaum entering the Philadelphia
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Phillies' history books.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Now what do we mean by this, folks?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: In case you didn't know, he actually passed Chase Utley
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: in a particular stat which which is again just so bizarre.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Alec Bohm Now has six bases loaded hit by pitches
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and Utley only has had five. So this is a
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: record that has been broken here. I don't know if
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: we want to call this bizarre, weird or whatever, but
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: it's always interesting when a current Phillies player passes an
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: icon with a specific stat in the end at the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: end of the day.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Does it really mean anything?
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Probably not, But what are your thoughts on this one,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: because it's not like it's not like Alec Bohm was
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: like crowding the plate or anything. But again, a stat
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day doesn't mean too too much,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: but at least it's something for us to say, Hey,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: he's in the record books now he had.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: It's strange. I like all these like very particular stats
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: and records. I think it happens a lot because one
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: like Boom is frequently hitting in the middle of the lineup,
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: so he is getting those runners and scoring position opportunities
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: and he has come through with them.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: Also, Bom is like one of those guys that pitchers
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: try very hard to, you know, get out by pitching
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: him and the inside part of the plate, just because
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: he does swing a lot and he does roll over
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: a lot. So that's always the best kind of plan
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: against him. It's just funny that it's happened this often
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: with the bases loaded, So it's like, it's a cool
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: stat I'm not too surprised, just because I've seen so
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: much about Boom over the years and the way they
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: try to pitch him and his aggression and the amount
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: of times that he would roll over to short stop.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah's it's a cool record. Like I you know,
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: Chase Elly was my favorite player growing up, and it
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: was always like, I just I love seeing him like
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: get hit by a pitch. It kind of just like
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: brush it off and you know, move his hip a
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: little bit and just go to first base and kind
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: of put his head down.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: So absolutely, yeah, absolutely, I h you know, just getting
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: back to what we were talking about, the frustrating aspects
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: of this team and knowing what this team is going
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: to need with the trade deadline coming and the pieces
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: that if they really want to compete in the postseason
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: that they're gonna need to acquire if they can, you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of us think that this is
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: a team that can get to the postseason, whether it's
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: a wild card, whether or not they are able to
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: catch up to the Braves. That remains to be seen
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: in the Enda East. This bullpen of soul frustrating to watch.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: We know they need a right handed bat. For the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: love of all that is good and holly in the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: game of baseball at Destiny, How does Dave Dombrowski get
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: this done with a farm system that isn't the most
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: special in the game of baseball here?
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're in a real pickle here at the
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: end of the day.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the answer to that is, I don't know, just because,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: like we've talked about before, there are so many holes
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: on this roster, and I don't think the trade deadline
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: is solving everything. Even if in the best case scenario
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: they get a starting pitcher, they get a high leverage reliever,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: and they get a outfield bad like, I still think
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: there are holes on this roster, and I do think
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: the farm system just not having as much depth is
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: going to be a problem. I think it's going to
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: be more of a problem when it comes to you know,
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: if the Phillies wanted to compete with the Dodgers or
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: the Brewers or the Rays with acquiring a star player.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know if Trek Scooble is a realistic option,
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: but I don't think they have the young talent to
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: compete with those teams when it comes to getting star players.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: But you know, I don't know if this will make
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: you feel any better, but the trade deadline has changed
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: a lot over the last few years with the expansion
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: of the playoffs. There are so many teams at this
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: time of year that are still alive in the playoff
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: race and not a lot of sellers. So you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: in a world where the Phillies had a lot of
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: holes but a lot of talent in the minor league
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: system to fill those holes, I still don't think there's
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: enough to get there's there's not enough talent to fill
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: all those holes just because there's so few sellers and
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: so little supply in the market. So you know, I
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: feel like every year and sometimes it works out like
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: last year, like the trade deadline with Dron and Bader,
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: like really I believe transformed this team, Like there was
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: a different energy after the trade deadline last year played
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: really well. That's not always going to happen, and we
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: kind of look at the trade deadline as a time
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: where dramatic changes can be made, and I do think
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: they could get some meaningful you know, meaningful arms and
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: meaningful bat at the trade deadline, but I'm not necessarily
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: counting on it.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wonder about the narrative that and it's
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: out there, the narrative of moving Bryce Harper back to
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the outfield, they could potentially acquire first baseman. What are
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on that particular narrative as well? And look,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: we know Bryce Harper just recently said, you know, he
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: admits this team needs some help.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I mean that's what that's what he said.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that narrative moving him back
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to the outfield, possibly acquiring a first baseman to give
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: some help with the some right handed batting.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we've heard about this for years, Bryce
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: willing to go to the outfield, and I don't think
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: it's a realistic long term solution to look at, Bryce's
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: an outfielder, But if you got to put him there
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: for a couple of months, then I think that's something
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: that everybody could kind of swallow. Here. The difference this
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: year is Bryce in you know, twenty four twenty five
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: was a very good defensive first baseman. This year, that
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: is not the case at all. And you know, we
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: talked about the Phillies needing a pitcher, maybe a couple
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: of pitchers, and nowtfield bad. They badly need a better
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: infield defense, and that is a lot harder to augment
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: just because they have Harper and Turner on big contracts,
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: Like those guys aren't going to get moved. So you know,
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: Bryce is willing to move to the outfield for a
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: meaningful offensive upgrade, but I also think Bryce should be
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: willing to move to the outfield as a way to
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: improve the defense. If that makes sense. Yeah, it's you know,
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: with Turner, like we see the errors and the mental
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: mistakes every day, but Bryce's mistakes are kind of harder
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: to pinpoint on a daily basis because it's the dive
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: that he doesn't make, or the lack of range or
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: he misreads a ball. But his first base defense has
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: been brutal this year.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not right at all.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it'll be much better in the outfield, honestly,
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: but rightfield maybe it might be a place where you
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: could hide him. It's just like what they rely so
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: much on their pitching and that's what's going to get
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: them to October that's what's going to get them to
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: the World Series. They need better defense, and part of
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: the solution is Bryce moving off the position, and I
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: think that's something that all parties should consider.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: We talked last week on the podcast about the trade
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: turner conundrum. Batting Well defense absolutely horrendous, and might he
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: be a candidate to move to the outfield as well.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I mean we've talked about that on this podcast platform,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: and that's certainly a narrative within Philly's nation as well.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: But you do that who takes the spot? Is there?
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: If they decide to do that, Is there a shortstop
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: candidate that they could bring in at the trade deadline?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, Destiny, are there certain players that you like
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: that you think Dave Dombrowski could actually bring in with
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: with regard to a particular a certain scenario here, anybody
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: in mind?
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean as far as the infield goes, it's
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: a little bit tough just because there's there's not a
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: lot of bats available. I was listening to Jeff Passons
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: podcast yesterday and he did float zach Netto as a,
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: you know, a potential fit for the Phillies, Like he's
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: a pretty good player. There'll be a lot of teams
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: in on him, and teams that you know, have a
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: better farm system that could put together a better package.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: But he's a guy that if you get him, like
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: you put him at shortstop and then you have to
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: do a little bit of shuffling around that. And you
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: know I'm talking about like Harper is a guy that
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: can move to the outfield. Turner, I think that's more
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: of a center field thing. Yeah, I don't think you
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: could do both of them moving at the same time.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: It'll be a little bit crazy, but yeah, yeah, it'll
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: be shocking. But like he's been so bad in the
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: outfield that you can't just hand wave away what's going
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: on and not even consider moving him. He has played
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: center field in the past. Like I I don't know
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: what it would look like now, I'd be willing to
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: try second base, Like maybe that takes a little bit
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: of pressure off of him. Then again, like it doesn't,
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: like you can't He'll still make some mistakes at second
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: base that he will at shortstop. So you don't know
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: if that's that's an upgrade if you just move him
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: to second base. But yeah, the trade turner, the defensive
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: problems are it's crazy.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: It's crazy, but I know.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: You you you asked about, like, you know, potential guys
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: outside of in field bats. Yeah, it's hard to kind
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: of think of who would be available. You know, Mason
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  Speaker 5: Miller has always been my white whale. He's qualifies as
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  Speaker 5: one of those stars that's that would be difficult for
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  Speaker 5: the Phillies to get. I have no idea if he'll
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: be traded. I think it would be kind of crazy
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  Speaker 5: if he has traded, because he has so much team
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  Speaker 5: control and it really it took an incredible offer to
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  Speaker 5: for the Padres to get him away from the A's.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: But you know, I'd put him in the eighth inning,
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: I'd put him in any leverage spot. I'd feel very
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  Speaker 5: good about the bullpen if you have Mason, Millard and
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: Deron together. Yeah, and then there's other options too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm thinking about the Padres. I don't I don't know,
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: you know, if they're gonna sell or buy. But I
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  Speaker 5: think the Phillies also badly need more left handed relievers,
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: and they need a really good leverage guy, and the
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: Padres have one, and Adrian moorehone. He's a rental. Then again,
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: like you know, with the Padres, and aj Preller. You
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: just don't really know what's going to happen, so I
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: don't even know if he's going to be traded. And
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: then this trade deadline, it seems like the what's inmost
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: supply is starting pitchers, so you know, and there's a
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: lot of starting pitchers that have experienced in the bullpen,
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: so you could use them as starters in the regular
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: season and then potentially move them to a relief role
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: later if you make it to October. You know, Clay Holmes,
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: Kevin Gossman, Robbie Ray, those kinds of guys that aren't
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: number one or two's but could be threes. Maybe they're
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: there fours on the Phillies, but they would help bridge
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: the gap between you know, Sanchez, Wheeler, Glizardo. We all
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: know how good of a team they are when those
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: three guys are on the mound and what they are
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: when those guys are not on the mound. So I
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: think getting another starting picture is going to be big
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  Speaker 5: for this team. And the good news for the Phillies
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  Speaker 5: is that those guys are out there.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely all right.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot to think about over these next
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: couple of days until the trade deadline. And if you're
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: not following Destiny over on the interwebs there, where can
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: folks follow you? Of course Phillies Nation dot com. They
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: need to go to and read the content there. But
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: before we go to break, where can they follow you
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: on the interwebs out there, Destiny?
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: Yes, so on ex Destiny Underscore Legardo. I'm also on
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: TikTok under the same handle. I haven't been as active
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: as I would like to be, but hopefully I get
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: started on that. But most importantly read Philliesenation dot com.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: We got a lot of good stuff going on, especially
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: now with the trade deadline coming up.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, all right, we're going to take a break, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we get back. We got more Phillies talk coming your way.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: All right, we are back, and we got to get
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: into some of the talent on this team. And first
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and foremost, with this current talent, I'd like to start
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: with the outfield, and specifically the center fielder in Justin Crawford.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: He's currently batting two fifty five two home runs on
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the season, twenty two RBIs. As we're recording this, I'm wondering, Destiny,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: how do you assess Justin Crawford's first year in the
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: majors thus far, in center field and also in the
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: batter's box. What are your thoughts on what he's been
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: giving the team here.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, defensively, I've been pleasantly surprised by how much he's
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: improved in centerfield. I think if you go back to
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: the first month of the season, like he did not
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: look good as a center fielder. He was not getting
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: to some balls that he should have gotten to, and
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: I think it was getting almost to the point where
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: it's like can you continue keep playing him at centerfield?
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: And then he really improved as far as a defender
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: in centerfield, So too worried about him as a defender
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: right now in the batter's box, I would like to
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: see a little bit more of you know, the the
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: Justin Crawford and we talk about his game and it's
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of bunning, it's a lot of contact, it's
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: a lot of you know, infield hits and stealing bases.
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: And I think the run game has been a little
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: bit slow to develop, just because you know, he's trying
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: to get comfortable with timing up pictures, but like that
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: part of the game not really showing in the major
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: league level, especially as a guy that can't really do
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: damage the way he can, Like he needs to do
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: more of the bunning and you know, make more contact
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: and you know, focus on those singles. That's kind of
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: what we expected of Crawford when he was brought up.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: So you know, like I said before, like he can't
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: do damage, so you can't really recover from some of
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: the numbers that he has put up earlier this year.
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: But I think we need to see a little bit
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: more of like the Justin Crawford that we were promised,
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: which is like the small ball guy. And there's been
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: a lot of chasing and a lot of strikeouts, and
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: he has been hurt by you know, major league defense
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: being better, so some of those ground balls that were
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: hits in the Marna leagues are out now.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I again, it's his first season. He is going
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: to continue to develop. I have confidence in him. I
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: think he has a determination and a drive to get
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: to that next level and whatever that next level looks like.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: But I want to divert now to another player on
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: this team, and you recently put up an article about
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: him on Phillies Nation dot com and it's Brandon marsh
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: of course, and how it looks like he's possibly going
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: to be platooned again. He's batting around one fifty six
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: here in July. I mean, he's done a complete one
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: to eighty at the plate. It's been a rough patch
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: for sure, after just dominance at the plate that led
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: him to the All Star Game destiny, How do you
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: assess what's happening Brandon marsh here and your thoughts on
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: whether or not he's gonna be able to get back
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: to some productive consistency.
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: I think some bad habits said he got away with
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: earlier in the year starting to catch up with him,
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: mostly talking about chasing. Now, he's a guy that you know,
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: he has great play discipline. We've seen that over the years,
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: but he could get away with some chasing just because
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: he's such a great contact hitter. But teams are starting
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: to take notice of that, and they're starting to pitch
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: him a lot more outside the StrEG zone and he's
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: getting himself out. So earlier in the year it kind
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: of felt like every time he swung, he was making
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: contact and it was a base hit, And this time
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: it's more he's getting himself out by striking out and
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: yea swinging at pitches outside of the StrEG zone. So
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: Brandon marsh like he's been through this before. Obviously he's
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: he was hitless, not this April, but last Stapril, and
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: it is kind of stunning, just like the fallout or
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: just how badly he's fallen off and how quickly the
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: Phillies moved off of him being an everyday player. I
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: know earlier in the year he was a lot better
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: against lefties, and it's been really bad in July in particular,
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: So I think it's just a matter of him being
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: just a little bit more patient at the plate and
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: getting pictures to come in the strike zone, and I think,
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: you know, he'll go back on its hair. But it's
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: been pretty brutal recently.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: It really has, and it's been brutal for a lot
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: of aspects of this team. I was I was going
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: to actually conclude with talking about Trey Turner kind of
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: mentioned him.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: A little earlier.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: So I guess to close us out here, the level
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: of confidence that US fans have with this team where
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: they can go not just within the NL but or
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: at the NL East, but where they can go within
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the National League too, And I know there's so much
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: more time there really is before we start thinking about
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: the postseason where they're positioned potentially for the postseason. But
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: what is that level of confidence in this Phillies team
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: moving forward here, Destiny, because like I feel downtrodden A
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of fans do, like what are
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: you seeing and what have you been seeing? Even maybe
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes that may give us some hope or
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: or some confidence here, maybe there isn't any What are
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: your thoughts?
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm I don't know if I'm the right
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: person to answer this question because I'm I've been pretty
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: low on this team, and I you know, I acknowledge
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: just what they accomplished at the beginning of the year,
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: you know, going nine to nineteen and recovering as fast
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: as they did, and you know, you feel very optimistic
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: about Sanchez Wheeler, You're just having an incredible year, Lizardo.
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: You have to feel at least a little bit good
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: about their chances in October with that kind of rotation.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: But outside of that, those three guys in the rotation,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: I just don't feel like this is a good team. Like,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: you know, Schoreber, he's kind of cooled off recently. You know,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: Bryce has had a good year, but we're also talking
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: about him being in a slump. It's very top heavy
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: and we probably talked about this before, but it reminds
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: me a lot of the twenty twenty one Phillies who
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: were very top heavy and did not make the playoffs.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: I think when people talk about the Phillies, they talk
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: about them as they will make the playoffs. I am
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: not as certain as other people, you know, you know,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: speaking right now, they have a two game lead over
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: wild card spot. There are six games out of the division.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: The division. You never know, like they were like a
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: game out around this time last year and they ended
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: up winning the division by thirteen games, so they're never
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: really out of it. But going back to that twenty
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: twenty one Phillies analogy, before they made the playoffs in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty two for the first time since twenty eleven,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: the Phillies were known as the September collapse team. Yeah,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: so I wouldn't be too surprised if it gets you know,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: worse before it gets better. Saying it that way, so,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: you know, but like it's baseball, you just really never
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: know what's going to happen. And you know, that's the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: best thing I could say. What if they magically start
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: catching the ball, Like, I think that will be transformative.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: If the defense starts coming through, absolutely.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: Yes, and starts coming through, I think that's going to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: make a huge difference. If they get this starter and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: he ends up being pretty good and they start finally
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: winning some games without their top three on the mound,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: you know what if they acquire a couple of bullpen
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: arms and the death looks a lot better there, I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: don't know, like that's that's kind of like the best
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: way I can say it is like you just never
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: know what could happen.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: We don't have a crystal ball. We did not have
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: a crystal ball.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I just you know, I watched the team
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: and they are winning a lot, like they're winning a
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: lot of those games where it's like how the heck
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: did they they win? But I haven't really liked what
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: I've seen for for most of the year, defense being
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: a big part of that. And I'm not the one
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: to say, like, what is this gonna look in October,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: because I believe that teams have many identities throughout the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: year and it's a matter of like which identity should
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: up in October. But throughout the last four months. All
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: these seen as really bad defense. Yeah, at really at
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: important times, and we all know when October, like every
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: little thing matters. And if you have a shortstop that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: can't make basic plays, you know, if you have a
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: third baseman that's struggling the same way the shortstop, is like,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: you're not gonna win in October if you have those
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: kind of concerns on defense. So that's kind of how
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: I feel about the team.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: It's a good way to end it.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of concern with this Phillies team and folks,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: she is Destiny Legardo from Phillies Nation dot com.
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  Speaker 3: My friend.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: I always love talking to you, seriously, always great conversations.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Come back join us down the road. I would love
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: to have you back on the show.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Jeff appreciate it, and.
• 1:03:50
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