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Talking With Tachyon Blue and the Present State of His Gamergate Book Interviews | Fireside Chat 240 · Honey Badger Radio

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  All right, Hello everyone, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  is Brian and this is the Fireside Chat. And on this fireside chat we're
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  gonna be speaking with Tachyon Blue. I hope that's how you pronounce it,
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  Not really sure, is that correct? What'd like? Yeah? Okay,
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  tech Tachyon Blue, who is? Well, we're basically it's kind of a
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  blast in the past, but it seems like it's been re emerging lately in
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  terms of like a conversation. Does that Is that fair to say? Would
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  you say the gamer Gate conversation has sort of resurfaced, uh to some extent?
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  Yes, Actually, I guess you have my project. Of course,
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  you've also got the Airplay documentary. Is that that came out recently? I
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  know you interviewed Raymond about that? Yes, I did. Yeah, you
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  guys can watch that over on Honey Badger Arcade. I was gonna do this
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  one on Honey Badger Arcade, but I decided to do it here. I
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  think that it's you know, either way, like I'm gonna get Raymond on
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  for this channel as well, and maybe I'll have you back on the other
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  one, just because it's like slightly different focuses. You know, Honey Badger
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  Radio is mostly a men's issues channel, but we feel that discussions on cultural
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  things are also really important, and so we talk about those, you know.
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  So anyway, welcome to the show Tachy on Blue. So, I
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  guess I should start this at the beginning. What is the project that you're
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  working on. Well, it's sort of morphed a little bit over time,
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  but when I first had the idea, I guess I started the beginning or
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  well the beginning of this project a little bit before it about eight months ago.
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  I guess six or seven or eight months ago, roughly, I decided,
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  what the heck, I'm gonna start live streaming again, and so I
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  started live streaming about politics and video games, mostly just just talking about gaming
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  issues and issues in the political world. And then I realized, you know
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  what, I did a debate about Gamergate as part of my political live streaming
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  stuff. I debated somebody on it named nine Tails, and the debate was
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  I did a lot of research on I did like ten hours of research beforehand,
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  and I was a part of Gamergate before that, so I knew a
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  lot about it. But I was really rusty because I hadn't talked about it
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  in years, and so I did like ten hours of research. I'm like,
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  wow, I did a pretty good job. I was able to find
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  a lot of the stuff I was looking for relatively easily. I guess made
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  a massive document full of my research on it. And I'm like, you
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  know what, I could make an encyclopedia. I've already done one book.
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  I've done a book in twenty nineteen, Gamergate first Span All the Culture War
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  by Kevin McDonald. That's me, and I could work on encyclopedia relating to
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  this. And then I realized, you know, after like two weeks of
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  molling that idea over and talking with some people about it, I'm like,
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  you know what, I don't want to spend ten years of my life doing
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  this, which if I did an encyclopedia would probably be about what it would
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  dig or maybe not ten years ago. Well it is ten years old,
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  it'll be ten yeah, Gamergate will be ten years old this year. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I would say that the gamers are dead articles, which isn't
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  really the beginning, but it's sort of like the water shed moment for Gamergate
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  was in twenty fourteen. I think it was like August August twenty eighth.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would agree that that's quite the watershed moment.
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  So I decided, all right, I'm going to not do a encyclopedia,
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  but I'll interview some people. And originally the idea was, oh,
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  I'll interview twenty maybe thirty people tops, and then I'll do a book that's
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  comprised of their interviews basically, and it's sort of like the stories of the
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  people involved with gamer git on both of the sides. But then as time
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  went on, I've become a bit more ambitious, I guess, with the
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  project, and I've managed to interview over fifty people, most of which are
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  available on my channel, though some of them are book exclusives that you won't
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  see on the channel but will be in the book itself. So yeah,
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  it's been it's a pretty interesting project so far. I've interviewed over fifty people,
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  people on both sides of the gamer Gate debate, people involved in a
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  wide variety of capacities, some neutral people too, as well as people who
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  didn't really have much connection with gamer Gate but are related to ancillary aspects of
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  it, like I interviewed Cole and Israela who who is a photographer who had
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  a rather bad encounter with Zoe Quinn. Oh really, Oh I see so
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  yeah, yeah, sure, I believe you're talking about people, people that
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  were some a certain number of degrees away from the sort of like core you
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  know, hashtag or consumer revolt or whatever. Yeah, so people who have
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  with people. Yeah, she's really the only well she did talk about Gamergate.
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  Actually she made a not tweet, a Facebook post, two Facebook posts,
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  and then later a third one. In October of twenty fourteen, there
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  were two posts she made where she outlined her issues with Zoe Quinn. So
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  like, she did actually post about Gamergate very lightly in that post, and
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  I reached out to her and she agreed to do it, so it was
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  great. I've also interviewed third party trolls too, So I've interviewed Taradax and
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  Avius, both of whom weren't affiliated with gamergay or the other side. They
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  just sort of wanted to fuck Yeah, they saw an opportunity to troll and
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  just did just join in on the fund basically. Yeah, pretty much.
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  So it's I think it's a pretty pretty ambritious work. I'm nearing the end
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  of the interview process. Most likely. I've said that before and then I've
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  had a new people. But I think I'm nearing the end of the interview
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  process. I'm almost done transcribing the first interview with oron Dark Lord. As
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  I do that, I'm releasing video clips from that interview and from the various
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  other interviews except for two of the people who didn't give me permission to make
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  clips out of it, but everyone else gave me permission. So you'll be
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  seeing a lot of videos popping up on my channel of clips from the interview
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  because like most people don't want to sit down against watch like a seven hour
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  livestream, but they will sit down and watch a twenty minute clip or a
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  thirty minute clip. That's true. Yes, I saw, I watched some
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  of a couple of different conversations that you had. I also not as I've
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  watched it, but I guess you talked to Christina hoff Summers. Is that
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  accurate or yeah, Christina Hoff Summers. I got everybody at airplay pretty much
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  except for Mark seb and Milo and Alan McCary. So I've interviewed Koretzky,
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  Christina hoff Summers, Ash Goow, I am interviewing Kathy Young but hers is
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  a book exclusive, and I'm also I've interviewed Derek smart Lynn Walsh, who
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  was representing the Society Professional Journalists there. I've interviewed Game Diviner who was in
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  the audience, and also Aaron Pabone who was a journalist who covered Airplay as
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  was happening and tried to organize the second one that didn't work out so great.
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  I kind of grill him at length because he I'm not sure if you
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  knew the story about airplay too, but I watched, well, I don't
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  know. I watched the documentary. I watched both parts, the paid part
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  as well. And when you say Airplay two, are you referring to the
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  second half that that ended up getting a bomb threat and then they or was
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  there like another airplay event after that? Well, there was an attempt at
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  another airplay event after that. Yeah, So Airplay one happens in twenty fifteen.
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  In August twenty fifteen. The two panels. One of the panels is
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  there to discuss ethical concerns and games journals, and the other one was about
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  how the media can cover game or game or how they should cover gamer game
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  Yeah, yeah right, yeah, yeah, And then some people were inspired.
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  There were other panel after this at other conventions and things like this.
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  There was a safe Point panel itself by Southwest. I ran two panels,
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  want at Archy, aname won at Nazu Khan and a third one that got
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  canceled to a mob which was kind of an interesting story. But there was
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  someone who tried to set up a second airplay event near Aaron Pobone. He
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  was a relatively like new games journalist who who created his own not basically they
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  didn't make much money off of it, but made it like a small website
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  of gaming journals in with side and tried to be a games journalist that entered
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  the industry. He raised a bunch of money for Airplay too a second event,
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  though it didn't end up happening. He did end up refunding most of
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  the people involved. He says seventy five percent. I did donate to that
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  disclosure and I did get refunded. But apparently he was he was basically just
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  incompetent, and he hit a few roadblocks and he kind of like, oh
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  no, it's way harder than I thought it would be to organized as odd
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  fre Itz, and he just gave up rather than trying to make it happen.
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  Yeah, kind of a pathetic story X. Like I wrote to well,
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  that's sad. Yeah, I mean, well, yeah, it's it's
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  sad. But I think that there there it's to me and I'm gonna i'll
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  I'll ask you first before I give it, give my my view. But
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  what what is gamer Gate to you? That's a complicated question. I mean
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  to me, it's a project I'm working on. Uh okay, Well you
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  said you were involved, So what was it when you were involved? What
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  was it to you? I think the core of game book. I think
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  there's like sort of two major components of gamer Gate, and then the second
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  component is big enough that it encompasses a large number of things. It means
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  age a lot of things different people. Obviously, everyone agrees that gamer Gate
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  was about games journalism to some extent or to a high degree, Like everyone
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  sort of agrees on that. It's when you start getting like the non games
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  journalism aspects of game or gay that people have different views. Some people say
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  it's only about games journalism. Some people say that it was a culture war.
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  Some people say that's about artistic freedom. Some people say that it's about
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  censorship. Basically, I think you can boil it down to like two main
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  things, the game journalism aspect, and the second thing is gatekeeping in the
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  industry. When you say gatekeeping, what do you mean by that? Do
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  you mean like like the consumers or do you mean like the developers and journalists.
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  Well, I guess like less developers probably, but more attempts by an
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  ideological clique to control what shall be orthodox in gaming as a community, as
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  a as an industry, as a hobby, as games journalism. They basically
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  want to A lot of people perceive, at least that there's a click of
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  people that wants to exclude the voices of others and silence them because they don't
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  agree with their politics, or because they want to cover up their own misdeeds
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  if they're games journalists. Things like that. Okay, yeah, that sounds
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  like it could go in any direction. So when you say that, there
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  are people who feel like there is a certain I guess point of view that
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  you should have if you're going to be a part of the industry. Are
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  you referring to the gamers, like the consumers, the customers, the audience,
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  for lack of a better term, the market, or are you referring
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  to the people that are kind of the influencers in some cases. Well,
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  today they're actually involved in development, but back then they were you know,
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  the the journalists, the people who wrote about games. I wouldn't even say
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  they were reviewers. A lot of times they were people writing blogs or op
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  eds on games based on their political views. So which I'm just you know,
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  just wondering which side, which group are you referring to when you talk
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  about the orthodoxy. Well, I think it's more of an ideology though,
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  it's more it is one that is widespread or this used to be within gaming
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  journalism, especially like certain websites like Kotaku, But I guess not exclusive to
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  that. I mean, this ideology exists at other places in society, and
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  it also exists in other areas of like gaming too, Like there's I'm sure
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  there's individual gaming customers, like gamers who have bought into this ideology in this
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  mindset, and they might be opposed to game or gate in certain ways or
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  trying to gate keep in certain ways through through advocacy of like campaigns like Change
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  the Cover or the Pillars of Eternity controversy sort of feeling like okay, these
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  game developers are these comic book artists or whatever it happens to be. They
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  are putting things in their games that we don't like, and we want them
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  to take those things out because we find them offensive, or we find them
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  problematic, or we think that they're going to cause harm in the real world.
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  And to some extent, Yeah, so okay, So when I was
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  when I was involved in gamer game, and one could argue that we as
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  as part of Honey Badger Radio here because of what we stand for, which
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  are essentially the you know, we're trying to get men's issues addressed. I
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  don't people call us men's rights activists. I don't like the word rights for
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  that. I don't think it is a good enough term. But it's sort
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  of like one that we're forced to adopt because everyone uses it because it was
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  originally used against us as a slur by feminists. They were trying to suggest
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  that the idea of men's rights is so ridiculous that if they call us men's
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  rights activists that people would just be dismissive. And most of the people in
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  that space just said, okay, then sure, but I mean technically and
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  I'm you know, just to put out there, so people get where I'm
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  coming from. I don't like the word rights for that, except for when
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  it comes to save autonomy and circumcision, because I think that circumcision is an
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  abuse of rights. Rights aboutly autonomy. But aside from that, it's mostly
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  like political cultural issues, things like fatherlessness, things like you know, child
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  custody, divorce courts, and lots of other things. But mostly these are
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  things that can be that can be addressed at a legislative level. The problem
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  is is that we know that you unless you change the culture so that people
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  are more let's say, willing and compassionate towards the plight of men and boys,
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  then no, there is no way that laws will change because if people
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  don't care, then that's not they're not going to be motivated to change it.
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  You can't simply say it's just, you know, it's it is the
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  just thing to do, because a lot of people can't see that. So
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  we've been talking about this way before gamer Gate started, and when it did,
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  it was just another sort of space where this was happening because it was
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  a space primarily occupied by men and boys, and so we were like,
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  well, you know, obviously there's some entryism going on. So I think
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  there were two camps and I and I saw it. There were two large
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  camps on the side of Gamergate. Put it that way. So within gamer
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  Gate there were two camps. There were people who simply wanted the ethical concerns
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  addressed and that was their primary focus, and that's fine. And then there
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  were people like me that saw that the problems with the ethical concerns were downstreamed
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  from an ideological problem. So the people who have these these these this lack
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  of ethical behavior, the people who were exploiting, the people who were you
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  know, getting payola or lying or whatever it was right, demonizing gamers,
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  they they were not the kind of people you could correct by simply saying this
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  is unethical, because they had a fundamental religious belief that they're that they're they
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  were on the right side of history, as it were. And so to
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  me, this was just I don't even say the start of but it's basically
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  like the culture War early on. And now you know, you can look
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  at around you today and you can see that it's everywhere. Because simply addressing
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  the problem of ethics and games journalism is just not going to stop it.
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  And that's why now we have ethical problems in journalism period, right, So
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  for me, that's what it was. It was it was a choice between
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  focusing on the symptom, which is ethics and game journalism, or tackling the
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  cause, and that was to me, the ideological problem. And so this
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  is not an easy task, and I would say it's it's very difficult.
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  But that's that is my position, and I can only speak for myself,
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  but I think that like the other Badgers would agree with me, that this
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  is a downstream from that initial issue. So this is why I was asking.
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  I just wanted to know where you stood on that and what you think
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  about what my position is. I think it's fine. I mean, I
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  agree that there are ideological issues. I'm not sure that they are as intrinsically
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  linked the ethical issues, that is, as intrinsically linked to this ideology.
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  I think that the gatekeeping stuff very much is. But like when it comes
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  to specifically them being corrupt, or them being friends with one another, or
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  not disclosing that they're getting paid not paid, but they're being flown to these
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  boot camps where they're basically wined and dined to promote games. This has sort
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  of been going on for decades. Sure, and that's that's not like a
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  unique social justice warrior problem or whatever you want to call it. No,
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  it's not. It's just like a humans plus companies wanting to promote their products
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  problem. Yeah, But I mean, like we can expose those things as
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  they come, and I think that we the consumers generally do. In fact,
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  I think that now that we have, like there are plenty of people
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  in the let's say, the social media space that are making recommendations and doing
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  reviews and whatnot. That's actually and to our advantage. Now, those people,
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  just like any other person, are also corruptible. But I think that
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  people are in general. That's just sort of like the nature of the beast,
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  and people just have to be vigilant and discerning when looking at these situations
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  to make sure they don't get you know, they don't they don't end up
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  with like a bad deal because this company, you know, wined and dined
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  or gave a hotel room, or gave a bunch of free crap to a
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  reviewer so that they would give a good score. I think that that is
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  fine. Of course, there will be times where the product is is not
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  just like bad, but it also is writing on or or uh, it's
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  it's trying to sell their their their their product as a kind of ideological thing,
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  you know. Like for example, let's say the new Saints Row,
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  which I don't play that game, but I understand that they rebooted it and
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  it was trash, and it was trash for a number of reasons, but
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  one of those reasons was also because they had a bunch of progressive politics in
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  it, and so the people who the fan base of Saints Row rejected it.
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  But those those fans were then attacked for being you know, istophobes.
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  And this, I think is where these things can can meet up, because
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  you can make a subpar product and then you couch it in this identity politics
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  stuff, and then if people reject it because it's a subpar product, you
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  get to use the identity politics stuff as a shield to attack them. And
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  this this will give you credence. And of course, you know, because
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  of ESG and all these other things, we're we're all just expected to go
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  along with it. And my my main problem with that is that it's it
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  it. I don't want people to not be able to make whatever game they
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  want, but I do want people to be able to buy whatever game they
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  want, or any other product for that matter. You know, yeah,
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  I haven't played. I haven't played the New Saints A row. I can't
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  comment on that specifically. I was aware that there was a controversy surrounding it.
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  I didn't play an example. Yeah, I'm fine with I'm fine with
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  people making whatever games they want. They want to make a super woke progressive
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  game, more power to you. If you want to make like a conservative
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  Trump game, go right ahead too. I don't care. Let the market
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  decide what's successful and what's not. That's my position. Yeah, for sure,
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  for sure. So uh, I guess the I was wondering about,
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  do you think that there is a relationship between gam or Gate of yesterday,
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  of ten years ago, and the current sort of state of our culture today.
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  That's a difficult question to answer, and I don't know. My first
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  book was titled Gamergate, First Battle of the Culture War, right, and
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  at the time, I believe that I think I still think that there might
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  be something to the culture war framing. But I mean, the fact is,
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  like, we live in a society where a large number of people have
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  different competing viewpoints and interests, and people are always going to have like different
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  ideas about what exactly the culture quote unquote should be and what exactly what types
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  of things that they want to see in that culture. Conservatives, libertarians,
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  woke people, they these people like woke. This always is an ideology.
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  Hasn't always existed necessarily, but the it's very well as it exists now,
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  it's very recent. Yeah, as it exists now. Yes, But the
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  the the idea they're going to be there's going to be some sort of conflict
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  in society between like different groups who have different cultural values. That's probably always
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  going to happen in a free society. Now, as for how it Gamergate
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  like specifically relates to it, Like gamer Gate was I guess the first group
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  of people you could say that was like that stood up to these people and
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  was victimized by them on a large scale. And so because of that,
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  Gamergate probably did influence the Culture War, especially in the beginning to Summit to
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  like to a pretty like moderately sized extent, where if you were on the
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  side of like freedom of speech, if you were on the side of neutral
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  institutions and and uh hearing out like a plurality of viewpoints, then you were
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  probably gonna be on the pro gg side or at least like neutral but relatively
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  sympathetic to it. Yeah, Whereas whereas if you didn't hold those views,
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  there's like a pretty fair chance that you're gonna end up on like the anti
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  gamber Gate side, and you're gonna like try to demonize or dismiss these people
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  as being Oh, they're just misogynists who hate women and want to drive them
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  out of gaming, and they're probably harassers too. But I think as time
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  has gone on the culture War, it's been a decade, most people,
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  I guess don't really care about the specific gamer Gate stuff anymore because it's time
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  moves in one direction, and I think that the values of gamer Gate,
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  which probably did influence the early culture War to some extent, probably don't play
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  much of a role today in the culture War. Like if you look at
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  the the right today, the culture War is basically in many ways, it's
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  basically just taken partisan lines, and large numbers of people who don't even know
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  what gamber Gate is are engaged in the conversation, and a lot of them
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  on both sides don't really care about game or gate values quote unquote like freedom
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  of speech. They just want speech for their own side, do you think
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  the right does that? Oh? Yeah, can you give me an example,
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  Yeah, the moral panic, I guess you could say over books and
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  libraries. You mean like the books that you mean the books that are are
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  being read at schools that talk about anal sex and and and blow jobs and
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  stuff that they don't want to There are there are a couple of books like
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  that, Yeah, and I'm not a fan of that. But there's also
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  hundreds of books that are being removed from school libraries, and not to school
• 24:45
  libraries, but public libraries too. Actually, and the person who's running for
• 24:51
  secretary of State in Missouri, I don't know if to win the primary,
• 24:53
  and I will say, but for their publican side, they literally it took
• 24:57
  library books from the library and then took a flamethrower and lit them on fire
• 25:04
  and said that they're going to burn, burn these woke books from the public
• 25:11
  library. Not even a school library, but from a public library. So
• 25:15
  it doesn't seem like I would trust the right to be especially pro free speech.
• 25:19
  They also, of course the right today. I think it's probably worth
• 25:22
  pointing out did try to stay in power after losing the last election that didn't
• 25:30
  work out though, right, And do you think that the Republican Party is
• 25:36
  the right in the United States? Contact I mean, I wouldn't say that
• 25:41
  they're like the they encompassed the entirety of the right. But I think that
• 25:42
  they are the political faction, the political party that broadly represents the right in
• 25:48
  the United States of America. Okay, I don't well, I don't want
• 25:52
  to get in because that's sort of like a different topic. But I would
• 25:57
  suggest that most people that I know that are on the right despise the Republican
• 26:04
  Party, and it's because they act similar to the Democrat Party. And this
• 26:11
  is why I ask, because when I hear about like this, you know,
• 26:15
  so and so Republican from this state did this thing. I don't think
• 26:19
  that right wingers, people that I know to be right wingers, agree with
• 26:22
  any of that stuff. When it comes to the books, the only thing
• 26:26
  I will say is that I think that they are more concerned about and i'd
• 26:33
  have to see what the books are like, the ones that are not sexualizing
• 26:37
  children and teaching you know, like there's like woke kindergarten now and putting queer
• 26:45
  theory and critical race theory into teaching material. I think is a serious issue
• 26:52
  because you're raising a generation of activists that can't add, subtract, or divide,
• 26:57
  and you can see that by the tech scores, and I think that
• 27:00
  that's a serious problem that needs to be addressed. Now. I don't know
• 27:03
  that it should be done at the legislative level because I find that that's not
• 27:08
  productive, but people should be aware of it. And I think that there
• 27:12
  are definitely some cases where in particular books that are inappropriate for children should not
• 27:22
  be in schools, in libraries, sure, in bookstores, sure whatever.
• 27:26
  I'm not against that. I'm a free speech absolutist, but I do think
• 27:30
  that there is some cause for concern when it comes to that. And I
• 27:37
  still don't see that that is anywhere near what the left does, because I
• 27:45
  think that there's this thing that people do because they want to appear to be
• 27:48
  the most reasonable. They try to find ways to like balance out the blame
• 27:52
  so that they look like they're in the middle, and the truth is that
• 27:56
  there is no center. The left runs most of our institutions. They're in
• 28:00
  our media, they're in our films, they're in our video games, they're
• 28:03
  in every hobby, they're in every bit of entertainment, and they are they
• 28:07
  are using that to bludgeon everyone into submission. And this comes from the fact
• 28:14
  that they were taught the way that this way of life or this this perspective
• 28:18
  in colleges and universities. So they they're the universities and the education system is
• 28:23
  creating activists and putting them into the workforce, and those people are influencing everything.
• 28:30
  It is. It is, it's it is what's happening. This is
• 28:33
  not even debatable. This is not a matter of opinion. This is a
• 28:37
  fact and the and the only even the people in politics that that have an
• 28:41
  R next to their name have the same authoritarian streak that runs through them,
• 28:45
  and so it doesn't really matter. That's why I said the parties are irrelevant.
• 28:49
  It comes down to your principles and your values. And I think that
• 28:53
  this is the reason why a lot of people that would be considered on the
• 28:56
  right are generally they don't like the party that's supposed to represent them. And
• 29:03
  this is also true in other countries. In Canada, the Conservative Party is
• 29:08
  not like a right wing party. It is basically like a still a kind
• 29:14
  of center left party. In the UK, the Tory Party is despised again
• 29:18
  by normal British people that just want simple things like closed borders and low taxes
• 29:25
  and you know, things like this. This is the until the day comes
• 29:30
  that like the Daily Wire is like a game studio that's producing games that force
• 29:37
  people to like, you know, I don't know, you know, kill
• 29:41
  the gaze or something, or convert like trans people or whatever. I'm not
• 29:45
  going to consider these things two sides, like, I'm just there's just it's
• 29:48
  just not it's just not There's clearly one side that has a tremendous amount of
• 29:53
  power and everyone else is just kind of like trying to lay low, and
• 29:57
  I don't think it's working out. This is why I think the culture war
• 30:00
  is it's not even a war really because and I'll let you talk. I'm
• 30:04
  sorry for just going off ahead. It's not even a war really. It's
• 30:10
  just one sided. I mean, what do we have here that's like the
• 30:15
  Let's look at Hollywood for example. Now, of course some of these studios
• 30:18
  are losing money, but you got like like every studio is pushing out like
• 30:25
  all kinds of progressive stuff, and they're generally when it comes to franchises,
• 30:29
  they've really only taken the franchises that were generally populated, funded, supported and
• 30:34
  grown by men. Men who spend money on Marvel movies, on Star Wars
• 30:38
  stuff, on Star Trek stuff on Lord of the Rings. I mean,
• 30:44
  like whatever, And I'm not saying women don't get into that, but it's
• 30:45
  it's not even close, Like the amount of effort and energy and support and
• 30:52
  enthusiasm from men that goes into these things, and James Bond and like I
• 30:56
  can go on right and it's all getting like subverted and torn up from the
• 31:03
  inside out and men even though these these like the last Marvel Marvel's movie,
• 31:07
  The Marvels, it was a massive it was like a record flop, like
• 31:11
  only made like forty something million, and still the majority of people that went
• 31:14
  to watch it were men. So it's specifically targeting that that that's and it's
• 31:19
  coming from like overwhelmingly from one side. Now, on the other hand,
• 31:25
  you got like some studios that are producing I don't even know if I would
• 31:30
  call it right wing content, just like right wing content today just means a
• 31:36
  movie that stars a white guy like Mission Impossible, right or like Top Gun.
• 31:40
  That's is that right wing? I don't think it is. I think
• 31:42
  it's just normal. But of course, because it's so skewed, the the
• 31:48
  you know, the people in the business, the people that do the reviews,
• 31:52
  the people that like look at this stuff and talk about this stuff will
• 31:55
  say, oh mg, look look at how what is it male pale and
• 31:57
  stale this is, and they will treat it like it's a right wing thing,
• 32:01
  and it's like, but it's just top gun or it's just mission impossible.
• 32:06
  And when you actually get you know, sort of I wouldn't even call
• 32:09
  it right wing, but I say conservative content or something you might get like
• 32:14
  something like Nefarious, which was a movie about a guy who was, you
• 32:20
  know, on death Row and he's like possessed by a demon. It's kind
• 32:22
  of like a take on the Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis.
• 32:27
  Nobody watched that. I mean I saw it because I was curious and it
• 32:30
  was a bit preachy, and I was like, eh, but I didn't
• 32:32
  feel like it was like tearing something up that I grew up with. It
• 32:37
  wasn't, you know, like basically every major franchise. So I don't see
• 32:43
  this as a tit for tat kind of thing. I just don't think it
• 32:46
  is, and I think that because we tend to kind of like let this
• 32:52
  stuff ride, like, well, I don't want to make a big deal
• 32:55
  out of it, like I saw this with David Jack. You're familiar with
• 33:00
  David jaffe the game developer. Yeah, game developer. Yeah, he created
• 33:05
  God of War and Twisted Metal. So I've interviewed David Jaffey on my channel
• 33:10
  a couple of times years ago. I was very excited about it because I'm
• 33:15
  a big fan of those games. I love Twisted Metal. I have nothing
• 33:17
  but fond memories of playing that with my friends, and I really liked God
• 33:22
  of War. There were fun action games. And I brought him on because
• 33:27
  this gamer gay thing was going on. He got kind of swept up in
• 33:30
  it. He didn't know what it was, and I said, well,
• 33:31
  let me bring him on my show and I'll explain it to him. And
• 33:35
  I remember there was an interview he did. It was about God of War
• 33:38
  three, I think, and it was on who was the guy? Was
• 33:43
  it Ben Caucera, Maybe you remember what I'm talking about, and he interview
• 33:47
  with War three? Yeah, I think it was. You remember that,
• 33:52
  not the specific Oh, okay, well, there was there was a God
• 33:54
  of War three review, I believe, and there was talk of sexism in
• 34:00
  the game, because you know, there's a scene in the game where you
• 34:04
  can bang Atphdity and like some other like chicks or whatever as Kratos. And
• 34:09
  then there was also some violence you can kill like a siren or whatever it.
• 34:14
  I don't but whatever. It was like it's Got of War. It
• 34:16
  was. It was that, okay, And they were saying that it was
• 34:22
  really sexist and violent and stuff. I think even the guy Adam Sessler said
• 34:27
  that he actually did a whole thing on it, and it was in that
• 34:29
  documentary too, And David Jeffy didn't he saw it. To him that came
• 34:35
  from nowhere, because his whole history with games was, you know, he
• 34:38
  has this kind of like teenage boy mindset, like what would be fun for
• 34:44
  me as a fourteen year old kid, and that was the game. Those
• 34:46
  were the games he made. He was like, oh, cars shooting missiles
• 34:50
  at each other, or you know, be like a Greek warrior and just
• 34:53
  kill people. And I remember specifically in the interviews before when he when said,
• 35:00
  well, what was the inspiration for this and he said, well,
• 35:02
  sometimes you have like a long day at of you know, you have a
• 35:05
  long day at work and you come home, you just want to like,
• 35:07
  you know, you just want to take out blows blossom steam and so God
• 35:10
  of Wars for that. That's why it was just like rage, rage,
• 35:13
  rage, Right, that's the game. And when you know this, this
• 35:20
  game came out and they did all these criticisms. He was approached and I
• 35:23
  think he said that, you know, this is bullshit. I'm not sexist.
• 35:28
  I don't you know, I don't hate women, I don't like all.
• 35:30
  He had to defend himself, and I thought it was ridiculous, and
• 35:32
  so I brought him on the show and we talked about it. I and
• 35:35
  I warned him. I warned him. I said, they're gonna do this
• 35:39
  to your game. Because even though this whole thing may have started off with
• 35:44
  people like you know, Zoe Quinn was making her own little game, Depression
• 35:47
  Quest. I didn't care about it, you know, had no it.
• 35:50
  She could it could exist, I don't care, but like I wasn't gonna
• 35:53
  play it, you know. And then you had like Anita and she was
• 35:57
  making videos about like how sexist games are and how they have to change and
• 36:00
  if it was if that was the whole thing. I wouldn't care, I
• 36:04
  mean would we can refute it, we can have a dialogue, I can
• 36:07
  counter her points whatever. I think. Thunderfoot did like a million videos on
• 36:10
  it. But when you start making the games and you are involved in the
• 36:15
  process and you are injecting your ideology into shit, and you're you are using
• 36:21
  the kind of generally like liberal mindset of game developers. These are creative people.
• 36:25
  They want to please everybody. They want to give the gamers what they
• 36:29
  want. And then you have someone like that, an activists, and they're
• 36:30
  saying, no, this is what gamers want. I'm like, it's going
• 36:34
  to change what you made, And he did not think it was gonna happen.
• 36:38
  And then the God of War Remake came out and it changed cradles.
• 36:43
  Now, I thought the God of War Remate was all right, it was
• 36:45
  very pretty, but I didn't I didn't think it was as fun as the
• 36:49
  old games in terms of like just the scale and the action and all that.
• 36:53
  And then the next one came out and David Jaffey saw that they shit
• 36:58
  on his character. Now, of course he doesn't officially own it anymore,
• 37:02
  but as an artist and a creative person, myself. I thought, well,
• 37:07
  yeah, I could see that would feel like a stab in the back
• 37:09
  because they're basically saying what you did was regressive, even though you created the
• 37:15
  brand that we are now making millions off of, but we're gonna change it.
• 37:19
  And that's what they did. And he was upset, and all I
• 37:22
  could do was shrug and say, well, this is you. You know,
• 37:24
  I don't know what you could have done, but you could have been
• 37:28
  more vocal, but you just can't like lie down and take it. And
• 37:30
  this has happened. I mean, I don't know, like basically almost every
• 37:36
  franchise because it's not okay, you've been going a minute. I know,
• 37:42
  I know, I'm sorry. All right. No, Look, I'm all
• 37:45
  for people being on to make whatever they want, and I'm all for people
• 37:47
  being to criticize whatever they want. If they don't like his game and they
• 37:51
  think he's sexist, the creatos blah blah blah, whatever the fuck, that's
• 37:53
  their opinion. Man, Sure they can have that opinion if the game developer
• 37:59
  wants. I think they should say if they don't agree with that viewpoint,
• 38:01
  the g they go fuck yourself. And I think stand enough. I think
• 38:06
  people should voice their own views and criticize the game journalists if they do stuff
• 38:09
  like this. Now when it comes to ruining franchise, like if you view
• 38:13
  everything through like the lens of avery thing, I guess that would matter.
• 38:16
  In terms of politics, like through the lens of like pop culture. Yes,
• 38:21
  the left does have a lot of significant power, and they're not doing
• 38:24
  a very good job with it at all. In terms of the cultural sphere,
• 38:27
  I would agree. I criticize that fairly often, I guess. But
• 38:32
  I don't only care about the political the culture war and media, care about
• 38:38
  our political institutions. And I do think that the right definitely one hundred percent
• 38:46
  poses I know you wouldn't. Maybe you wouldn't characterize their public party as being
• 38:50
  the right, but I would one hundred percent represents a major threat to our
• 38:54
  democratic institutions, to our constitution, to the rule of law. You said
• 39:05
  you said that Trump failed. Okay, yeah, he failed, and now
• 39:07
  he's the Republican nominee. Again. I didn't say. I didn't say he
• 39:14
  failed. He said it was unsuccessful. Uh in in well, I don't
• 39:19
  think he intended to do the thing that the media says. But but we'll
• 39:22
  just say that I think that he wanted a protest, and I think that
• 39:29
  that you can you can look at the the the the evidence of that.
• 39:34
  I don't think he wanted an attack on the capitol. I think a lot
• 39:37
  of people believe it, but I don't think that's what he intended. No,
• 39:40
  it's not just it's not just the attack on the capitol. It's well
• 39:44
  he did he planned on declaring victory before any votes were even cast, and
• 39:51
  he's so he had votes, and then he did declare victory okay, on
• 39:58
  election night before the votes went before anyone could possibly determine the winner. And
• 40:02
  he knew this at the time, and he planned on doing it ahead of
• 40:06
  time anyway. And then he tried to take his cases to the courts,
• 40:12
  which is great. He has every right to do that, I agree.
• 40:15
  But when he lost the court cases, he decided, what did you want
• 40:19
  to do? He wanted to send fake electors to Congress. He had a
• 40:23
  whole fake elector scheme where he wanted to send a fake slate of electors from
• 40:28
  multiple states that did not represent the lawful votes cast in those states to the
• 40:34
  Electoral College. Then he also tried to pressure Brad Rappensberger the Secretary of State
• 40:40
  of Georgia to find him the votes that he would need to win the election
• 40:45
  in Georgia. And then he decided that he was going to hold a massive
• 40:51
  rally and he directed those people to go to the capitol to protest. And
• 40:57
  he did say peacefully. But I don't think that that matters. I don't
• 41:00
  think they'd one word in an hour long speech matters. I think that he
• 41:06
  made his intentions very clear. He told them that they were taking their country
• 41:09
  from them, the fight like hell. And then when they do attack the
• 41:13
  capitol and they do get inside of the capitol, he does nothing for two
• 41:19
  and a half hours. He watches television, and he calls members of Congress
• 41:23
  and tells them that he wants them to throw out he wants them to delay
• 41:28
  the electoral College vote, and he tells the Speaker of the House, Kevin
• 41:36
  McCarthy, He tells him on the phone that it seems that they're more mad
• 41:40
  about the election than you are. And then finally, finally, after being
• 41:46
  pressured by multiple people, he finally calls in the National Guard, which was
• 41:50
  his responsibility to do hours ago, because it looked like he was going to
• 41:55
  it looked like his whole plot had failed, and so he calls them off.
• 42:00
  And what does he do. He makes a video telling them go home,
• 42:05
  we love you, You're very special, and he knew the election wasn't
• 42:12
  stolen. I didn't want to really make this about Trump. I think that
• 42:21
  it's because it really it's important to outline though, Like you say that the
• 42:24
  left and the right are identical, they're not identical, Like the left is
• 42:30
  bad in cultural ways because they make movies that you don't like. Like,
• 42:32
  I think that's a bit different though, thank, Okay, let me let
• 42:37
  me ask you this. Do you okay, if you believe that someone with
• 42:42
  an are next to their name, a Republican, represents the right, then
• 42:45
  do you also believe that someone a D next to their name, a Democrat
• 42:47
  represents the left in the political context? Yes, like yeah, I mean
• 42:52
  everybody. Yeah, that means that they don't they don't present like every single
• 42:55
  person who's on the left or on the right. We live in a two
• 42:59
  party system, a first past suppose, sure, broadly speaking in terms of
• 43:01
  American politics, Yes, okay, So I just okay, I'm just I
• 43:08
  just wanted to know. So I'm gonna I'm not gonna go because I think
• 43:13
  we're losing too much time on this Trump thing. But all I will say
• 43:17
  is the culture is very important. It affects politics down the line, as
• 43:24
  it were. And I think that, uh, it's not just the left
• 43:29
  makes movies I don't like. It's that they spread propaganda through the media,
• 43:35
  through movies, through music, through video games in order to shape the minds
• 43:39
  of young people and adults. And I think it has dangerous implications if the
• 43:46
  other side is not heard. For example, I'll speak as a men's issues
• 43:52
  advocate. As a men's issues advocate, we are never given a platform.
• 43:55
  We are ignored, we are dismissed. And when we can't be ignored,
• 44:00
  what the media will do is it will find the absolute worst examples of anything
• 44:06
  that is remotely related to us, such as Andrew Tate, for example,
• 44:09
  and they make him the poster boy of us because they want us dismissed,
• 44:15
  and they use that as a weapon to say, look, this is what
• 44:17
  the red pill is, or this is what men's rights activists are, and
• 44:22
  it has tremendous power because we still are not heard, and because of that,
• 44:27
  there are record high suicides, in particular in white men. Straight white
• 44:34
  men have the highest rates, like eight times higher than black people, four
• 44:37
  times higher than women, and nobody cares because that's not convenient, because we
• 44:44
  have to constantly paint women as victims. Saying that because this is a very
• 44:49
  important it's not related to gamer Gate, but it is a sort of an
• 44:57
  explanation of how the media affects our perception of reality. I used to live
• 45:04
  in Chicago when I was growing, I was born there, I was born
• 45:07
  and raised in Chicago, Illinois. I lived there up until twenty twenty.
• 45:13
  And in twenty twenty there were the George Floyd riots. The George Floyd riots
• 45:16
  happened because the media lied, and they lied intentionally. And what happened was
• 45:23
  there were cities were burned to the ground. Police were retiring left and right,
• 45:30
  or they were fired there. And I have a video on my channel
• 45:34
  that goes through the truth of what happened, and you can watch it or
• 45:37
  not. I've lost friends over this. I don't care anymore. I'm just
• 45:40
  saying, this is what happened, and the damage is irreversible, and my
• 45:45
  wife and I had to flee the city because of how much chaos it was.
• 45:49
  Now I'm not asking for sympathy and I'm not saying this to play the
• 45:52
  victim. I'm explaining. I'm just showing you the consequences of lies lies the
• 45:58
  media has told. If gamer Game is about ethics in games journalism, than
• 46:01
  it is part of a much larger and much more important and impactful conversation about
• 46:07
  journalism in general. And this is the reason why I think that so many
• 46:12
  people are doing work independently because they can't. It's all just paid for,
• 46:17
  its establishment crap. And I think that, you know, this is the
• 46:22
  thing that I think that people are missing. And I don't care what your
• 46:29
  politics are. I'm going to presume that we all want to live in a
• 46:32
  safe, prosperous and secure society. And I think there are people who live
• 46:37
  here that genuinely don't. And you know that's it. I mean, I'm
• 46:44
  just saying like, that's where I'm coming from. I'm just I'm just telling
• 46:47
  you what my experience is, all right. I don't I don't think that
• 46:52
  people should be smearing men's rights activists either. I think that they actually have
• 46:57
  gotten like a bit of a bad reputation, uh because of basically lies about
• 47:01
  them, because they were excluded from the Overton window and I've spoken out,
• 47:06
  not like regularly, but like at various points throughout my life, should defense
• 47:10
  their freedom of speech, including it at Calgary Expo. Yeah, oh yeah,
• 47:15
  I agree that there is there is there. There is an exclusion of
• 47:17
  the Overton. There's a shrinky the overtone. Now that's excluding certain groups,
• 47:21
  large numbers of people, the large swaths of the country essentially, And one
• 47:24
  of the groups that was attached early on was the Men's Rights Group. Now,
• 47:28
  when it comes to riots, yeah, obviously I support peaceful protests.
• 47:31
  I don't support people rioting a basic position basically that everyone probably holds. But
• 47:37
  you say that, I gotta ask George Floyd. The people protested because of
• 47:45
  because of lies? What do you mean by lies about George Floyd's case?
• 47:47
  Specifically, the story was that George Floyd And again I don't want to spend
• 47:54
  too much time on this because it's not related to the topic, but I
• 47:59
  will just say in what they were told is that a racist white cop named
• 48:05
  Derek Chauvin one day decided to kill a black guy and he killed George Floyd
• 48:08
  and did it on camera and didn't care and all of that. He what
• 48:14
  the what the riots were about? Was not. It was not an accusation
• 48:20
  of murder. It was an accusation of racism, because this was the narrative
• 48:23
  that was spun. This was what was told to everyone. This was done
• 48:28
  on purpose because we live in a racist society and that if if if there
• 48:34
  isn't like some kind of action, then this stuff is going to continue.
• 48:37
  But the truth is, and this is what the autopsy has confirmed, and
• 48:42
  there's a whole documentary that goes into great detail and we it's all out there
• 48:47
  now, it's available to anyone. He died of a drug overdose because he
• 48:51
  had priors and he had a history of doing this, and he was trying
• 48:55
  to not go back to jail because he had, you know, a hire
• 49:00
  arrests, which probably meant that he could go for a long period of time,
• 49:05
  and so he swallowed the drugs and that it killed him, and it
• 49:08
  killed him before like the ambulance got there and all that, and you can
• 49:13
  see the whole thing. The knee was not on his neck, it was
• 49:15
  on his shoulder blade and it was also standard procedure. And the fact is
• 49:20
  is that the commissioner and and the politicians, the guy Keith, Keith Emerson,
• 49:28
  I think his name is he I forget it's his name, but he's
• 49:31
  like, you know, the the people, the politicians and the police commission
• 49:36
  of the mayor, etc. The governor and the day, they all just
• 49:38
  threw the cops under the bus. And then as a result of that,
• 49:44
  there was there was this massive push or you know, defunding the police in
• 49:49
  all these major cities, and they did. And now if you look the
• 49:52
  major cities, crime is through the roof. People are you know, shutting
• 49:55
  down businesses, large businesses, family businesses, doesn't matter. All the cities
• 50:01
  are basically turning into food deserts, Chicago included. And there has been no
• 50:07
  there's been no anyone coming forward saying, you know what we were wrong.
• 50:10
  That didn't happen, and so it's only gotten worse. What else happened.
• 50:15
  Derek Chauvin did go to jail because the jury they just they just flat out,
• 50:19
  you know, convicted him. They wouldn't hear a bunch of the different
• 50:22
  evidence at all. They just threw him in jail and he got stabbed like
• 50:24
  twenty two times. He might die there, we don't know. And and
• 50:30
  it's all for this, It was all for political reasons and so I know,
• 50:36
  hey, God, go ahead, all right, I don't I don't
• 50:39
  know all the specifics of the George case. I'm not going to like even
• 50:43
  try to remotely approach this. Yeah he was round guilty. Yes, sure,
• 50:47
  that doesn't mean guilty. Also, this idea though that that oh,
• 50:52
  it's it's it's because the media wanted to make this all about race, and
• 50:58
  like there obviously was a very big push for the racial component and also uh
• 51:02
  push for a police reform in general, and a large number of different things.
• 51:06
  And like most of the peaceful protests were peaceful too, and there were
• 51:08
  riots, like noise denying them, but like trying to frame it all in
• 51:12
  this in this no no, no, I I will, I will.
• 51:15
  I will agree that most of them were peaceful because I again I lived in
• 51:21
  Chicago. I saw them during the day. There were moms out with their
• 51:24
  kids, picketing and walking around the block. I knew they were not completely
• 51:29
  informed, but I weren't afraid that they were going to burn down a target.
• 51:32
  But at night then you got like the the rioting and the burning and
• 51:37
  the looting. And so yes, it's true that the majority of them were
• 51:42
  peaceful, but that's irrelevant because the ones that weren't were extremely violent and destructive,
• 51:47
  and so they created food deserts. And that's that's the truth. Like
• 51:52
  in Chicago where I grew up, there are parts of the city that I
• 51:55
  lived in the neighborhoods I was in that never RecA from riots after Martin Luther
• 52:01
  King was assassinated, Like, they're still run down, and they're just like,
• 52:06
  you know, the only businesses that are still standing are business is run
• 52:10
  by Middle Eastern immigrants and Korean immigrants that are willing to like build a business
• 52:16
  there and so like, and it's all like liquor stores and you know,
• 52:21
  beauty supply places. And I'm not making a joke. It's the truth.
• 52:23
  That's what's left. So I think that ultimately, I would suggest that you
• 52:30
  watch the video on my channel with the whole documentary. But I feel like
• 52:34
  we're going off on a major tangels. Yeah, but this is about journalism
• 52:39
  though, this is this is about the broader problem with journalism. That's what
• 52:45
  I'm saying. Gamer Gate's not unrelated this whole thing. Everything that's happened since
• 52:50
  twenty fourteen, all of the stuff in the news, all the stuff the
• 52:54
  election, everything, it's all downstream from that. There's there's no separating these
• 52:59
  things. You know, the people that are part of the Fellowship or the
• 53:02
  fandom Menace, or Comics Gate or metal Gate, it's all the same.
• 53:07
  It's all the same problems. It's all progressives involved, and they're just tearing
• 53:13
  everything apart. I mean I spoke to a girl who was like my brother's
• 53:16
  girlfriend when the riot started, and I said, I asked her, what,
• 53:21
  what do you what is your goal? And she was like, oh,
• 53:22
  We're gonna burn it all down. And I was like why and she
• 53:25
  was like, well, because something new. Well because she didn't even know.
• 53:28
  It was just like I'm just gonna be the revolutionary and burn it all
• 53:30
  down. I was like, well, me and my wife gotta leave.
• 53:34
  We can't. I can't stay here because that's ridiculous. Like there's no there's
• 53:37
  there's there's just rage, and that's all that's been happening. So I think
• 53:43
  it is related because we're talking about the media, like you, the damage
• 53:47
  that they did, and the only reason why I think gamers stood up was
• 53:51
  because we were spurgy enough to want to know what the hell is going on.
• 53:54
  I mean, gamers are generally very passive socially liberal people. And I
• 54:00
  still consider myself socially liberal. But you know, I mean, like clearly,
• 54:06
  you know, you'd have to have a pretty low opinion of your fellow
• 54:09
  man or your fellow gamer if you believe the stuff the media tells you.
• 54:16
  So what do you want people to do? Well, for one, what
• 54:22
  I think the we have to move the Overton window back to something that actually
• 54:28
  reflects reality. I think right now it's moved so far away, and it's
• 54:31
  done so in a very short amount of time too. I mean, look
• 54:35
  at look at look at gender. For example, when we started doing Gamergate
• 54:42
  in twenty fourteen, the concept of neo pronouns was very fringe, although we
• 54:46
  knew about it, and and we thought, well, this is you know,
• 54:52
  there's no scientific basis for any of this stuff. And now it's basically
• 54:55
  it's it's everywhere. It's normalized. Is so like, I don't know,
• 55:00
  I think it's pretty I think that a lot of people normalize it. And
• 55:04
  and the fact that it's being taught in schools and I'm talking like very young
• 55:08
  age proas neo pronouns. Yeah, and but just the whole like queer theory
• 55:15
  stuff is like queer theory goes back to like the sixties Paolo Fieri, who
• 55:20
  was like trying to bring it into schools, but it goes like before that,
• 55:22
  like like John Money and Kinsey, but it it made its way so
• 55:30
  like normally, the way these things work and it all does kind of come
• 55:32
  from feminism, that's the truth of it. But the way this works is
• 55:37
  you get like a mainstream thing, like like say, I don't know,
• 55:40
  the suffrage movement, and then within the mainstream thing, you have like a
• 55:45
  fringe aspect that might be more like the second wave, which is sort of
• 55:51
  like the Gloria Steinem feminism, and that might have like some you know,
• 55:54
  some queer theory in it, you know, like how people can choose to
• 55:59
  be lesbians, like women can choose to be lesbians, right, And then
• 56:02
  you get like the second wave comes and and that fringe stuff from the first
• 56:06
  wave becomes normal, and then the second wave begins, and then within that
• 56:09
  there's another fringe thing, which is like the idea that I don't know,
• 56:14
  like like gender is a social construct and that you know patriarch, well,
• 56:20
  they always believed in patriarchy, which is also a lie. But like you
• 56:22
  know, the these the there's like more layers that get added and they're the
• 56:28
  stuff on the fringe comes to the center. And so now we're at the
• 56:30
  point where the neo pronouns are not completely normal. But if you but if
• 56:36
  you see someone and I've seen them here in Virginia where I moved to,
• 56:39
  they will have their you know, like a pin with their with their neo
• 56:44
  pronouns on it or and they they go out of their way to look you
• 56:46
  know, androgynous. And it's usually women, but not only and uh and
• 56:52
  I think that, yeah, it is like if it happened really really fast.
• 56:55
  And I think that one of the reasons why it takes off, cause
• 56:59
  it's it's definitely stepped up, and it's in the speed at which this stuff
• 57:04
  is being adopted. Firstly, it's being pointed at much younger people, but
• 57:07
  most importantly it's being used on social media, which a lot of young people
• 57:12
  are on. Like I'm an exer, so as a Generation X guy,
• 57:15
  I didn't get into computers until my thirties. Most people aren't on Twitter,
• 57:20
  though, and they're certainly not on like political Twitter. No, but I'm
• 57:22
  talking about TikTok though. The young people are all over TikTok like I did
• 57:28
  subsidute teaching a couple of years ago, and especially girls, they're always on
• 57:32
  TikTok and Instagram too for some reason there, and there's a lot of stuff
• 57:37
  on. There's a lot of people pushing gender ideology on kids. And you
• 57:43
  know, all this is only possible, by the way, because there are
• 57:45
  no fathers. They're pushed out of the home. And when you take a
• 57:50
  father out of the home, then the child becomes vulnerable, and there's plenty
• 57:52
  of data to support that as well. But again, I'm it points to
• 57:58
  what I think is the most important thing, which is the media. The
• 58:01
  media, the journalists, they're they're not telling the truth. They are activists.
• 58:07
  They are pushing a message and that bleeds out into every corner of our
• 58:13
  culture. And you know, I mean, you cannot like Trump if you
• 58:17
  want, but I don't think the scale is even close. I mean,
• 58:21
  the guy got attacked for four years like constantly, so there was the he's
• 58:25
  too thin skinned. He can't handle being attactive. As president of the United
• 58:29
  States. He probably shouldn't. Yah, Sure, that's gotta be it,
• 58:32
  But I mean he probably shouldn't try to coop the government just because he's his
• 58:36
  ego can't handle that he lost. I see, all right, Well,
• 58:40
  I don't know if we're gonna agree on that, but I'm gonna I got
• 58:43
  some super child you talk about if we can't. But I want to ask
• 58:45
  you about the schools things. I'm not as familiar with this area at all.
• 58:50
  What do you think is like the worst thing that's happening in the schools,
• 58:53
  and what are like the best evidence that this is happening, And on
• 58:57
  what scale exactly you think it's happening. All right, Well, let's see
• 59:01
  statistically, it's likely based on averages. So most people that enter education as
• 59:09
  instructors are themselves educated in like universities. Universities make sort of feminist theory normal
• 59:21
  in terms of like every aspect of your education. So when I was in
• 59:24
  college in the two thousand and eleven area, I was going to art school,
• 59:30
  and I had to take some you know, in order for some place
• 59:34
  to qualify as a college or university, there has to be some academic courses
• 59:38
  like math and you know, English and so on. And I took those
• 59:44
  science, math, chemistry, English, history, and all of them had
• 59:47
  feminist theory. Yes, even the chemistry had feminist theory in it. It
• 59:52
  was crammed in there in one way or another, and we had to read
• 59:57
  books like Adults House for my English class, et cetera. So this is
• 1:00:01
  in all the universities. This is standard. Okay. So if you ask
• 1:00:07
  them like, oh, are you putting you know, like feminist theory in
• 1:00:10
  in your curriculums, most people probably say no because they would think, no,
• 1:00:15
  no, it's just normal stuff. But the normal stuff is that,
• 1:00:17
  So it's like, you can't you can't see that there isn't like a straight
• 1:00:22
  up unbiased you know, or say yeah, like I mean, people don't
• 1:00:25
  read like Shakespeare in school anymore. People don't read Mark Twain, they don't
• 1:00:30
  read Ketcher in the Rye. And when I was substitute teaching, I saw
• 1:00:34
  that. I saw that I was I was doing you know, reading classes
• 1:00:37
  for the kids, and even here where it's not as bad, ideologically speaking,
• 1:00:43
  they weren't reading things that I read in school. I read Frankenstein,
• 1:00:46
  I read Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde. I read Bram Stoker's Shracula. I
• 1:00:51
  read Treasure Island, you know, I read about Greek myths and all that
• 1:00:57
  good stuff that like, you know, I read as a kid. I
• 1:01:00
  read Shakespeare too, I even did a couple of plays. But none of
• 1:01:02
  that is there anymore at all. It's all like, you know, new
• 1:01:06
  stuff, and it's not it's aimed at it's sort of like a more female
• 1:01:12
  oriented storytelling, like around relationships and stuff, no adventure stories and so on.
• 1:01:16
  And if you if you look at the data for for academic achievement,
• 1:01:22
  boys are falling behind in particular in reading. And the reason is seems to
• 1:01:27
  be and Christina hoff Summers herself has talked about this, that the reading is
• 1:01:30
  not aimed at boys interests, so they don't want to read about, you
• 1:01:35
  know, like some silly like some story. I wouldn't say silly, because
• 1:01:38
  if girls like it, it's good for them, that's fine. But like
• 1:01:42
  the kind of stuff that would get boys excited about learning isn't there. They're
• 1:01:45
  not learning in the way that they that was made for them. And I
• 1:01:50
  think a large reason for this is because it is it is the people that
• 1:01:54
  teach are have been trained themselves in a feminist oriented way, right, and
• 1:02:01
  most of the people who are teachers are women. And it's not because men
• 1:02:07
  don't want to, but there is a stigma against men in schools because there's
• 1:02:10
  this sort of trope about them being predatory, even though female teachers are more
• 1:02:16
  likely to pray on their students, or at least there are many, many
• 1:02:20
  cases of it, and we've covered it many, many times on the Channel.
• 1:02:22
  And the only reason why is so that we can say, look,
• 1:02:25
  you know, it's not about men or women, it's about whether or not
• 1:02:30
  someone has an inclination to prey on their students. So I think that it
• 1:02:36
  is in the education system itself, and a lot of people have talked about
• 1:02:42
  this, and it is in turn, it's being taught by like say osmosis
• 1:02:46
  through like you know, when they say they're teaching critical race theory in schools,
• 1:02:52
  for example, a lot of teachers will come out and they'll say,
• 1:02:53
  we're not teaching children critical race theory, and they would be right. They
• 1:02:58
  are not. However, they are informed by critical race theory and critical gender
• 1:03:04
  theory and queer theory to teach their children through the lens of that ideology.
• 1:03:09
  So they're not literally teaching them that, but it informs everything they teach them.
• 1:03:15
  So this does these children a disservice. They're like, like they're they're
• 1:03:22
  getting more education, but they're not getting better education. They're getting worse education.
• 1:03:29
  And there and they're basically taught, especially if they're girls, to live
• 1:03:35
  their life as though they are you know, sort of as though they are
• 1:03:40
  uh, downtrodden, and that they have to you know, they have to
• 1:03:47
  constantly fight the system, as it were, and they make them into little
• 1:03:51
  revolutionaries. So and again, like I said, a lot of people talked
• 1:03:54
  about it. Vivig Ramaswami has talked about it, Christina hoff Summers has talked
• 1:03:59
  about it, Jordan B. Peterson has talked about it a lot of people.
• 1:04:03
  So this isn't like something that I think. Oh, James Lindsey has
• 1:04:08
  talked about it a lot. He's done a whole series of videos where he's
• 1:04:12
  doug really deep into this topic. And so, yeah, these are the
• 1:04:15
  ways that it is. It is harmful, and it's not giving these kids
• 1:04:19
  an education at least not like one they can actually use. And they're not
• 1:04:24
  learning how to think, they're learning what to think. If that makes sense.
• 1:04:28
  Okay, So that's that's a good answer, thank you. That's a
• 1:04:30
  lot of information. So I do think that they're probably there is an issue
• 1:04:34
  with boys falling behind in schools, and I don't know how we solve that,
• 1:04:38
  and I'm open to a wide variety of different perspectives. And maybe part
• 1:04:40
  of it is we've talked about we do need to make into account that men
• 1:04:43
  that boys. I guess boys and girls do learn differently on average, and
• 1:04:46
  maybe having more of these these action oriented stories or adventure stories, maybe that
• 1:04:51
  is some way to encourage boys to read more. I haven't looked at like
• 1:04:55
  the studies on this and like how effective putting a comic book or a comic
• 1:05:00
  book. But because I read comics, Yeah, I think comic books who
• 1:05:04
  are really good for boys? Yeah they could be. I haven't like I've
• 1:05:10
  like looked into it super deep. I mean, not modern comic books,
• 1:05:12
  but like the old ones. So, but what what are the So you
• 1:05:17
  said that most of the teachers are educate The root problem right in your view
• 1:05:23
  is that most of the teachers are educated in universities. Uh, and that
• 1:05:26
  these universities they make every aspect of their education or large every every aspects of
• 1:05:31
  their education is touched in some extent to some extent by feminist theory. Yes,
• 1:05:36
  and then they are putting they're putting. I'm just gonna make sure you
• 1:05:40
  understand your view, and then I want to explore that a little bit more.
• 1:05:42
  I know that we only had super chests too. Uh so they're putting
• 1:05:46
  bad stuff, but stuff that you think is harmful to boys at least and
• 1:05:50
  probably society at large in Okay, what bad for girls to inside of their
• 1:05:57
  inside of these fields, in the in the in the education system, in
• 1:06:00
  universities. And they're presenting these things as normal, so they themselves don't even
• 1:06:04
  necessarily think of it as being from an ideological viewpoint, right, What are
• 1:06:10
  the things that they are passing off as normal when they're not in your view?
• 1:06:15
  Patriarchy theory, white supremacy, communist theories, of various types of queer
• 1:06:21
  theory, which they've actually been very inconsistent on, like, for example,
• 1:06:27
  for many years as some of the again, you know, I grew up
• 1:06:30
  in the eighties and nineties, I was born in nineteen seventy three. I
• 1:06:34
  saw it change. I didn't really pay attention to it at first. But
• 1:06:38
  as far as queer theory, for example, they used to say that,
• 1:06:43
  you know, you should not have an ill opinion of people who are homosexual,
• 1:06:48
  whether they are lesbians or men, because they're born that way. It's
• 1:06:51
  like, you know, they can't be helped. It's like in what do
• 1:06:55
  they call it? In immutable an immutable trait, right, And I was
• 1:06:59
  like, yeah, that's fine, like my uncle's gay whatever, Like I
• 1:07:00
  didn't. I was fine with that. Now it's completely different. It's the
• 1:07:04
  opposite. They're like, oh, yeah, you can be socialized into it,
• 1:07:08
  and that's what And they've said this, it's in it's in queer theory
• 1:07:12
  again. So this is like a flip and it's like, well, why
• 1:07:15
  is that. Like I'm you know, I'm ready to go along with whatever,
• 1:07:18
  but I want to know is this something you socialize into people or is
• 1:07:21
  this something they are born with? And I don't think it's a mix.
• 1:07:25
  I think that there is a truth, and I think it's being deliberately obfuscated.
• 1:07:30
  But yeah, I think that patriarch theory is harmful. I think it
• 1:07:32
  makes the relationship between men and women into a battlefield where it doesn't need to
• 1:07:36
  be. And I think that the reason why there might even be like a
• 1:07:42
  kind of like I don't know, I don't want to call it radical,
• 1:07:44
  but like let's say a hostile red pill reaction that exists today, people like
• 1:07:49
  Andrew Tait and Fresh and Fit and so on. The only reason why they
• 1:07:54
  exist is because feminist theory has made men into the enemies of women. And
• 1:07:58
  if if there weren't for that, then there would be no Andrew Tate.
• 1:08:00
  You see what I mean? In terms of white supremacy, it's the same
• 1:08:04
  thing like that. There are there have been a number of crimes, let's
• 1:08:10
  say, violent crimes committed against whites and Asians which are considered white adjacent by
• 1:08:17
  people of color, by blacks or whatever, and it's it's not address.
• 1:08:20
  In fact, it is considered justified, so considered by by blacks and other
• 1:08:28
  people. What do you mean, I don't think like committed by blacks.
• 1:08:30
  Well, you want I give you an example, I can give an example.
• 1:08:33
  Well, I know that I know that black people commit crimes at higher
• 1:08:36
  rates. I know. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't
• 1:08:40
  mean just okay, but I don't think like most black people though, view
• 1:08:45
  Asians as being like, oh, they're just white adjacent. No, I
• 1:08:48
  don't think that. Well here's the thing, though, I don't think that
• 1:08:53
  they believe that as a theory, like like they they've got like the notebooks
• 1:08:59
  and the and you know, they got the work in front of them,
• 1:09:00
  like they're quoting from the Smithsonian or from some academic paper to suggest it,
• 1:09:05
  but instead it's sort of repeated, like you know, there is like this
• 1:09:11
  belief amongst blacks, and I know because I lived among them that the reason
• 1:09:16
  why their situation is the way it is is because of white people and other
• 1:09:23
  people who are successful, and because Asians enjoy a degree of success, they
• 1:09:29
  are often lumped in. It's not something that is like necessarily academically argued,
• 1:09:35
  because most of the time this is just a lack of impulse control. And
• 1:09:40
  I'm not even saying it's a majority of blacks or even like you know,
• 1:09:43
  like a significant minority. I don't know how many it is, but I
• 1:09:47
  do know that when you have these like videos of you know, like an
• 1:09:53
  old Chinese man mining his own business and a guy just knocks him out,
• 1:09:58
  and you see several videos of that happening to older or you know, Asian
• 1:10:02
  men and women, and it's always black people doing it, you have to
• 1:10:05
  ask yourself. Pattern recognition suggests there's there's a reason why, and when you
• 1:10:11
  look into it, you realize that they're not in a category that is considered
• 1:10:15
  protected right. And and even when this was happening, I don't remember,
• 1:10:18
  it was happening at a high rate, like a few years ago. They
• 1:10:23
  were making this this the media called it anti Asian hate crimes, and they
• 1:10:27
  were blaming white people for it, even though whites didn't do it. They
• 1:10:30
  were literally not saying what was actually happening because they had to maintain their narrative.
• 1:10:36
  I don't disagree on that. Yeah, So what they're presenting patriarchy,
• 1:10:42
  white supremacy, queer theory. I think you said a fourth thing too in
• 1:10:45
  this, oh, you know, like general sort of like communist Marxist theory
• 1:10:49
  about about yeah, about like you know, basically if someone else is it's
• 1:10:57
  basically critically critical, criticizing capitalism. And so when they're putting these things inside
• 1:11:03
  of like, let's say, an unrelated field, not like you're learning about
• 1:11:06
  political science and you're learning about communism or economics, and you're learning about it
• 1:11:11
  as like one aspect or one school thought presented among many others, as being
• 1:11:15
  as being a different philosophical schools. Yeah, but when they're presenting it in
• 1:11:20
  like a engineering or you said chemistry, right, when they present it in
• 1:11:25
  chemistry. What ways are these ideas seeping into the chemistry well, in ways
• 1:11:30
  that the people who are teaching it don't even necessarily recognize. Yeah, I
• 1:11:32
  can give you a couple examples. So when I took chemistry class, they
• 1:11:38
  don't do it. Okay, so they don't do it through the curriculum itself,
• 1:11:42
  but they do it around the curriculum. So maybe you're getting like you're
• 1:11:45
  you know, you're talking with your professor, and the professors like put it
• 1:11:48
  together an assignment, and then maybe they will tell you like an anecdotal story
• 1:11:53
  that has to do with the assignment, and in that story, they will
• 1:11:56
  make a you know, they'll make a comment of that relates to this theory.
• 1:12:00
  And I don't think this is just to be clear, I don't think
• 1:12:03
  this is conscious. I don't think they're like today I'm going to bring this
• 1:12:08
  up. I think that they have already been ideologically captured and their reality reflects
• 1:12:14
  this and they're spreading it. So it's more like a parasitic effect of like
• 1:12:19
  being taught in the education system. So my chemistry teacher, who was a
• 1:12:25
  woman who had like two PhDs, I think what she told us, she
• 1:12:30
  was talking about how hard it was for her to get her education or to
• 1:12:35
  get a job as a woman, and she made sure to drive this home
• 1:12:40
  every couple of weeks with a story. And I didn't. I was wondering
• 1:12:45
  what was the point of any of that because she was clearly doing Okay,
• 1:12:48
  she was a professor at a university, you know, so, but again,
• 1:12:54
  what does this do to the girls that are listening, Well, it
• 1:12:57
  puts in their mind, oh, well, this is gonna be hard for
• 1:13:00
  me because I don't even have a degree, and this woman with two PhDs
• 1:13:03
  is telling me that it was really hard for her. So this is how
• 1:13:06
  this stuff spreads. Right Again, I don't think it's on purpose. I
• 1:13:11
  mean I think that people just think their experiences are their reality is what they
• 1:13:17
  have like like sort of written for themselves. Another example of this is I
• 1:13:21
  had a male professor in an ethics of science class. Ethics of science is
• 1:13:28
  not science. It is a discussion around the ethics of science, like,
• 1:13:30
  for example, is it ethical to upload your brain into a computer or to
• 1:13:35
  clone yourself? Right, but we could have been talking about those things.
• 1:13:40
  How ethical is it to make clones of animals or to make artificial food,
• 1:13:45
  you know? Or whatever. That would have been a really interesting and engaging
• 1:13:48
  topic. But he wanted to talk about abortion, and he did it specifically
• 1:13:54
  because he wanted to talk about how women's you know, women's abortion rights are
• 1:13:59
  under threat and it's men that are going to take it away, and men
• 1:14:00
  are talking about what women do with their bodies and so on, and so
• 1:14:03
  the women in the class were like, you know, put in this position
• 1:14:08
  where they had to take take into account stuff that had nothing to do with
• 1:14:14
  the class at all. But this was the topic. And I spoke up
• 1:14:17
  in that class because they turned into a conversation about other things, like,
• 1:14:25
  you know, I'll say great culture. I think you know what that really
• 1:14:28
  means, though, great culture? And I said that, and there was
• 1:14:30
  a woman. There was a girl in that class that was recalling you know,
• 1:14:35
  like basically freaking out about this and kind of getting a little bit hysterical
• 1:14:41
  in the classroom because she was so afraid of men. And I was like,
• 1:14:45
  lady, you don't have anything to worry about. And I explained to
• 1:14:47
  her, you know, because she was like, well, I would want
• 1:14:50
  to walk home late at night. And you know, she was really young,
• 1:14:54
  so I get it. She probably isn't even from there. But I
• 1:14:57
  said, look, every day when you come to class, how much many
• 1:15:00
  men do you pass? How many men do you see at your bus stop?
• 1:15:01
  How many men do you run into on the train? How many men
• 1:15:04
  do you run into when you walk down in downtown Chicago on your way to
• 1:15:09
  the building where the class is at. How many of those men have done
• 1:15:12
  anything to you at all? None? Right, So what do you think
• 1:15:15
  the odds are like this? I mean, this is just putting it in
• 1:15:16
  perspective. And the teacher got upset with me and told me that I hated
• 1:15:21
  women because I was trying to, like, you know, calm her down.
• 1:15:26
  So I think that and either just like anecdotes just my personal experience what
• 1:15:31
  I've seen, but I do think this happens every day all the time,
• 1:15:34
  and you see it, and it results in a lot of problems, maybe
• 1:15:39
  on the individual level. And what I would like, just going back to
• 1:15:43
  your other question about what should you know, what should change? I just
• 1:15:46
  want people to tell the truth. I just want the conversation to open up.
• 1:15:51
  This is all I've ever wanted from the moment I started doing this show,
• 1:15:56
  was for us to you know, like open up the dialogue, like
• 1:16:00
  I could be wrong about everything that I've said for the past ten years.
• 1:16:02
  I could be wrong, but I would like people to talk to me about
• 1:16:06
  it, and let's let's, you know, let's get to the truth.
• 1:16:09
  That's all I want is to get to the truth. Yeah. Well,
• 1:16:13
  hey, thanks for explaining your view on the education stuff. I always like
• 1:16:15
  to hear different perspectives. So all right, yeah, I mean I think
• 1:16:19
  well, I think we already said like boys they learned. I'd like that
• 1:16:23
  to be tabled. I'd like boys to learn the way that they learn.
• 1:16:26
  Let's let them, you know, realize their potential. All right, now,
• 1:16:30
  before I cucked your super chat. Yeah wait, I don't, I
• 1:16:36
  don't. I don't have any super chats. I think you had a super
• 1:16:40
  chat. I'm sorry, No, no, no, we have super chows.
• 1:16:44
  Super chows they get sent directly to us are in our discord because super
• 1:16:48
  Google takes like half or more of the super chats, so sometimes people send
• 1:16:54
  superchats too, But we didn't get any today to say hello, well,
• 1:17:01
  yeah, we can take it wherever you'd like to go, if you want
• 1:17:02
  to do the superchow or if you want to where you want to go.
• 1:17:06
  Oh, I'm gonna do the super childs and then we're gonna go into the
• 1:17:10
  Patron Show and hang out there for about a half hour or so. Is
• 1:17:13
  that cool? Yes? All right? Richard Bierre gave us three super childs.
• 1:17:17
  Let me put a feeding badger up on the screen there. Thank you,
• 1:17:23
  Richard, and he gives us five bucks. And this was at seven
• 1:17:25
  o'clock, so this was like a half almost an hour ago. He says,
• 1:17:28
  maybe the product sucks because the focus is on the identity politics instead of
• 1:17:31
  the foundation of the product. The game Pong would be absolute trash if the
• 1:17:35
  identity dialogues were to become the critical mass of the development team. Imagine Breakout
• 1:17:41
  or Super Breakout having endless meetings and arguments over the proper color scheme of the
• 1:17:45
  blocks that you would have to be clearing with the ball and paddle, or
• 1:17:48
  the proper color of the ball and paddles. Well, I think only because
• 1:17:54
  games have become so much more technologically advanced that these these uh subjects have become
• 1:18:00
  like really important. And again to say before about the woke video games thing,
• 1:18:05
  I don't care if developers make woke video games, but if I don't
• 1:18:09
  want to buy it, that's my business, right, I mean, so
• 1:18:13
  that's that's it. Like there's a game coming out called Stellar Blade. Have
• 1:18:15
  you heard about this game? Tech? Every everyone who plays it is going
• 1:18:19
  to be a sexist monster. So yeah, so that's what I'm saying,
• 1:18:23
  Like or do it naturally. I don't care if Cellar Blade, like if
• 1:18:28
  if if they hate it, that's fine. But if they try to ban
• 1:18:30
  it, or if they try to like say that we shouldn't play it,
• 1:18:32
  or they demon nice people for it, I'm gonna take an issue with that.
• 1:18:35
  Like you want to play you know what, what's the the fa the
• 1:18:40
  New Fable game with your like weird, diverse, ugly woman character, Go
• 1:18:44
  ahead, you can play it. You want to play Spider Man two with
• 1:18:45
  like, you know, ugly ass Mary Jane in it, You go ahead.
• 1:18:49
  I don't care. I don't I don't care. Maybe it's a good
• 1:18:51
  game. Hey, that's fine. I'll never know because I'm not gonna play
• 1:18:55
  it. That's all I mean. That's that's it's just the market the way
• 1:18:58
  it always was, you know. Like I mean, like you can we
• 1:19:00
  can talk about it without even having to discuss whether or not it's istophobic in
• 1:19:06
  like even like the you know, in the the old days, like some
• 1:19:10
  people liked Mega Man, some people like Contra, some people liked fucking you
• 1:19:14
  know, Castlevania. Nobody said you're a bad person for liking or not liking
• 1:19:18
  that. That never happened anyway, Thank you, Richard. Richard Pierre gives
• 1:19:24
  another five bucks and says, the people who are causing these students to have
• 1:19:27
  such low proficiency in math and reading are going to be in prime positions to
• 1:19:30
  exploit these students as they won't realize that they are being taken advantage of from
• 1:19:35
  a wage standpoint or inability to advance their careers without a functioning grasp of certain
• 1:19:40
  basic skills. The frightening thing is that there will be a number of these
• 1:19:45
  uneducated people working in care facilities contributing to elderly abuse or higher numbers of preventable
• 1:19:50
  deaths. Yeah, well again, you know, I don't think that they're
• 1:19:56
  preparing these young people for adulthood. I don't know, like why this is
• 1:20:01
  a bad idea or a good idea, but there you go. And then
• 1:20:03
  he gives us another five dollars and he says tech question for Tachyon Blue was
• 1:20:08
  January sixth worse than September eleventh. Worse. I don't know if i'd say
• 1:20:15
  like worse, it's I don't know if you can really compare them, not
• 1:20:17
  necessarily analogous. I'd say that Donald Trump on January sixth, for the first
• 1:20:24
  time in American history, had tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power in
• 1:20:29
  the United States. And that's a pretty serious problem. It's a different kind
• 1:20:32
  of problem than an external threat like terrorism. It's a problem where you have
• 1:20:39
  a lawmaker who is essentially trying to usurp his usurp additional powers and use extra
• 1:20:47
  legal means to remain in office. It's a different kind of threat, possibly
• 1:20:54
  more dangerous, actually, because at least with nine to eleven, I don't
• 1:20:58
  think that the United States of America, as an entity, or a constitution
• 1:21:01
  or our system of government was necessarily at that much risk on nine to eleven,
• 1:21:11
  all right, whereas I do think that our system of government is at
• 1:21:13
  risk now, all right, sounds good. Thank you for all the superchows,
• 1:21:19
  Richard. And hey, when you talk, are you getting like an
• 1:21:23
  echo from me? Because I see my thing lighting up, but I'm not
• 1:21:25
  seeing that over here on my discord. I don't hear it's not an echo,
• 1:21:30
  but there is like a do you have a fan running or something?
• 1:21:33
  There's like a slight air conditioner, the air condition okay, yeah, I
• 1:21:38
  can't control it with this as like a climate control building. And sometimes it
• 1:21:43
  just comes on because Lindsay sets the the AC. So Harry Pierce says,
• 1:21:47
  yes, you are echoing. Oh I'm sorry, I don't. I'm sorry,
• 1:21:50
  guys, all right, So I guess that's it. So let me
• 1:21:57
  ask you this last thing about the book. What do you what is it
• 1:22:00
  called? And when do you plan on releasing it? And are you still
• 1:22:03
  doing more interviews? So I am still doing more interviews? And actually,
• 1:22:08
  shoot, I just I could just gercinitly read my phone real quick, was
• 1:22:11
  charging the book doesn't have a title yet, or well, it has one
• 1:22:15
  in my head, but I haven't told anyone yet because uh, you know,
• 1:22:18
  people are going to copyright troll me. The second I say the name,
• 1:22:24
  someone's gonna immediately file account. Let me not the second, but like
• 1:22:27
  it could happen. But I know, well, if you have, if
• 1:22:30
  you have a title done, don't don't. I'm not gonna say yeah you
• 1:22:32
  want to keep a secret, that's okay, But they were, And is
• 1:22:34
  it gonna be available for print or is it just like a PDF or what?
• 1:22:39
  Oh yeah, oh yeah, well that's the plan. At least I'm
• 1:22:41
  gonna try and find a publisher. If not, I can self published.
• 1:22:44
  But it's gonna be huge. Yeah, So I don't know. Maybe maybe
• 1:22:50
  like maybe, like you know, instead of like one really big book,
• 1:22:55
  maybe you have like a little set well like yeah, like like right where
• 1:23:00
  it's like you have like a series of like five big books that each contains
• 1:23:04
  like, let's say, like fifteen interviews or something. Right, I've thought
• 1:23:08
  about doing that potentially, And most you can see most of the interviews for
• 1:23:12
  the audience, or if you want to too and you've seen some, you
• 1:23:15
  can check them out. Most of them are available on my YouTube channel or
• 1:23:18
  on kick so Techy on Blue on both of those platforms. And uh,
• 1:23:25
  I've done most of the interviews, but I still have some. Some of
• 1:23:28
  them are book only interviews. As I said earlier, I have it coming
• 1:23:31
  up. I'm interviewing Kathy Young still Jack Browser or Kataku and Action moderator.
• 1:23:38
  I'm interviewing Alexander Mackris, the editor in chief of the Escapist. Yeah,
• 1:23:45
  all right, Jennifer Jennifer Dahl, a game developer. Oh. I love
• 1:23:47
  Jennifer. I love Jennifer. Tell her high for me. I used to
• 1:23:50
  hang out with her all the time. But I love Jennifer. He might
• 1:23:55
  be doing text only though I'm not sure yet. Aaron Jony. I'm interviewing
• 1:24:00
  still Aaron Johnny. Yeah, one of my friends in real life from one
• 1:24:04
  of the Gamergate Saint Louis. But he's not a public figure really. I
• 1:24:08
  don't think he even has a Twitter. But he supported Gigi on Reddit back
• 1:24:11
  in the day. Yeah. And but I'm interviewing a developer from Kingdom Come
• 1:24:16
  Deliverance and not Daniel Vava one of the other Okay, okay, yeah,
• 1:24:20
  I saw that. I saw that you were Something happened, but you were
• 1:24:24
  going to do it yesterday, I think, yeah, so he I don't
• 1:24:28
  know if he was to. He told me privately what happened. I don't
• 1:24:30
  know if you have public something came up, it was it was not good.
• 1:24:34
  I'm interviewing Brad Wardell he recently agreed to do it, and Nino,
• 1:24:40
  the founder of Not Your Shield, the first person to use it. Essentially.
• 1:24:45
  I'm also gonna get interviewing project Wambot, Project Management Wambot. He ran
• 1:24:50
  the gamer Gate meetups in Melbourne. I believe it was or Yeah, we
• 1:24:57
  didn't go to that. We were in Australia for something for ICMI, but
• 1:25:01
  I don't know if that was the same year that that happened twenty seventeen.
• 1:25:05
  Also interviewing Pixel Metal, a game developer who supports GIG and indie dev Rinky's
• 1:25:12
  Girl, who is a Canadian Gambergate supporter who nice some of the meetups there.
• 1:25:16
  Yeah, and I'm also interviewing a Brazilian game developer who supports GIG but
• 1:25:21
  it's going to be anonymous. He anonymous Brazilian GG supporter. Also interviewing somebody
• 1:25:28
  else Tiny Chloe Ian Miles Chung, the editor in chief of game Ranks.
• 1:25:32
  He was also an insider with the crash over Right Networks Away Quinn's organization,
• 1:25:40
  but yeah, he had a bit of a following out with the anti GG
• 1:25:43
  crowd Caine Damo. I'm also interviewing Nicole sund To Culta Vivian If you remember
• 1:25:49
  her, I do. Yeah, I'm friends with Nicole sound on social media
• 1:25:55
  too. I own out with her in twenty seventeen. I'm also interviewing,
• 1:26:00
  most likely Lauren O'Neill. She's a journalist who covered gamer Gate extensively for the
• 1:26:05
  Canadian Broadcasting Corporation the CBC, and uh, I want to discuss some of
• 1:26:10
  her coverage of gamer Gate. She identifies as neutral and in theory, you're
• 1:26:15
  gonna put some money on blast for you, maybe I shouldn't do it.
• 1:26:17
  I don't want to. Yeah, I've reached out to a Vox writer who
• 1:26:24
  hates gamer Gate, has written extensively about it and thinks it's like the worst
• 1:26:28
  thing in the world, which I'm like, great, I can't believe they
• 1:26:31
  agreed to do it. So they agreed to do the interview, I'm well,
• 1:26:34
  yeah, but then they but then they but then they they ghosted me.
• 1:26:39
  It's been like four weeks and I've reached out like three times, like,
• 1:26:43
  hey, you said you wanted to set this up in a week.
• 1:26:45
  That was three weeks ago. What's going on? Nothing. Yeah, I'm
• 1:26:47
  not super optimistic that's gonna happen. Still, And there's a couple of other
• 1:26:50
  people too, I'm interviewing as well anyway, So I just that's your plate,
• 1:26:57
  So well, good luck on that on the book. And I guess,
• 1:27:00
  uh, when you how about we do this, I'm gonna do the
• 1:27:03
  Patron show. We'll go for like a half hour. So this was this
• 1:27:06
  went a little long, but it's okay. How about we do this the
• 1:27:11
  next time. We'll meet up again and do another thing once. I guess
• 1:27:15
  when you're closer to releasing your book or you know you've got like everything you
• 1:27:19
  need and you're a least getting to the point where you're you you have a
• 1:27:23
  title and you want people to like be a lookout for it or whatever.
• 1:27:28
  Right? Does that? Does that make sense? We can definitely do that,
• 1:27:30
  and that's let's do patreon our Patreon only and uh, are you on
• 1:27:35
  YouTube the Patreon portion or no, I will not be streaming it on YouTube.
• 1:27:42
  Well I am, but it's gonna be an unlisted video, so I'm
• 1:27:45
  I'm going to be it's just for the patrons, not my call. It's
• 1:27:48
  Allison's is the way we do things, So this will be I guess you'll
• 1:27:53
  have the link so if you want to share it after you know, it's
• 1:27:56
  up to you. No, I won't share your private stuff like that,
• 1:27:59
  but I was gonna rad you on YouTube since I'll be ending on my YouTube
• 1:28:01
  stream. Okay, okay, so I'll raid and evenstead go say hi to
• 1:28:05
  her everybody and check out which she's up to. All right, I am
• 1:28:11
  off air, okay, my end? All right, well I'm gonna get
• 1:28:15
  off on my end. So we're gonna go into the Patron Show. I
• 1:28:17
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  in the beginning, it wasn't too bad, Like, it wasn't like
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• 1:29:44
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• 1:30:05
  and we'll talk to you all in the next video. Yeah, thanks for having man