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Jaws 2 · Citizen Frame

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Music.
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You started a panic on a public beach. You shot up the damn place.
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God knows who you could have injured.
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Now, what if somebody decides to sue us? Did you ever stop to think about that? It could ruin us.
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You don't have to worry about being sued or being ruined. If this turns out
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to be what I think it is, because there won't be anybody here.
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Yeah, now, Martin, let's not, uh... Let's not what, Larry? What?
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Oh, Jesus, Larry, huh? Come on, let's just forget it. He won't listen.
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It's obvious the man has made up his mind. You bet your life I made up my mind.
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But I'm telling you, and I'm telling everybody at this table,
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that that's a shark. and I know what a shark looks like because I've seen one
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up close and you better do something about this one because I don't intend to
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go through that hell again.
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All right, people, right, come back. You know, it's exciting episode of Citizen
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Freight. Now, I did mention in the last podcast we weren't going to talk Jaws
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2, but then I figured, ah, fuck it, I've already watched it.
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I don't want to watch another one yet, so we're going to do Jaws 2. Yeah, why not?
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It's still not CF. We really have no fucking structure here,
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so fuck off if you don't want to listen to Jaws 2.
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And you know what? I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what right now.
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This movie gets a bum rap. 5.9 or something in the IMD.
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Listen, people. We know we're not getting jobs. Funny story here.
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Funny story time. Story time by Kieran. Jack and Ori.
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What the fuck was that? Jack and Ori. You know, you obviously haven't heard
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of Jack and Ori, which was an iconic British kids series.
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Oh, my God. Where celebrities used to tell stories to kids.
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Well, it was very atmospheric. Freaking.
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No, they used to have people like Kenneth Williams from the carry on film.
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Nobody, nobody, nobody, nobody is listening to this.
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Our numbers from the States have fucking skyrocketed and they're like,
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what's the fuck's a carry on film? I don't know.
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I'm educating them. You know, I'm introducing them to iconic British atmospheric stuff.
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Sick and fuck off. And the carry on film. It's my podcast. Sorry,
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Trevor couldn't make it today.
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So anyways we talk sequels a lot here I just saw Meg 2.0,
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and we'll probably get to Meg 2.0 in Halloween month because we did the first
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one they went basket crazy yeah I haven't seen it yet but I heard it's nuts,
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so what I what I respected about it and,
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The guys from Jaws, same producers, okay, same writers.
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We got our boy Carl Guttele back and Howard Sackler. We got John Williams back.
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We got the key core crew back, actor-wise and actress-wise.
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We got Zanuck and Brown back to produce.
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You kept it in the family, which I'm fair with, which I'm cool with.
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Now they even said there's
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no way we were going to beat Jaws or
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try to even try to compete with
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Jaws okay they knew that
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going in so what they even said
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we're not going to hide the shark what's the point
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it's been done so this one they
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said we're just going to go for broke up the
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budget up the body count and just
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go with it have fun yeah it was a
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cash grab of course 20 million in in
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budget 187 worldwide yeah apparently at the time it was like the most successful
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sequel ever i think things like obviously empire strikes back and stuff you
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know went on to beat it but at the time it did really well and there is a lot
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like about this and i am going to defend it
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as well it's basically a late
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70s early 80s slasher that sort
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of reminds me a bit of carrie as well with the younger cast
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members with a big shark instead of a knife-wielding maniac like jason vorhees
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airy yeah the young cast because it's just a look at them they look there's
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even one of the characters and one of the the teen yours that actually looks really like Sue Snell.
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I'm not saying in terms of the story, it's like Carrie obviously not,
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but it's just the young cast reminded me of the cast of Carrie.
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It's from around the same period. So we got,
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Oh yeah, I got it. What's that? Something just popped up. Blah,
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blah. I'm so fucking... I am so fucking sick of computer updates.
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Oh, I want to update... You know what? Remember the old days?
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I'm talking 10 years ago. Windows just did it by itself and leave you the fuck alone.
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Now, there's a fucking update every 30 seconds. Right? Jesus Christ. Right?
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Old man yells at cloud. You know?
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First world problems. ever see that thing from it's like a newspaper clipping
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from the Simpsons with the old
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grandpa and the headline is old man yells a cloud this is the case of this,
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fuck you I'm yelling a fucking technology not it's so advanced it's wonderful
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then fucking update yourself fuck alone,
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fucking bastards AI pricks alright back to Jaws 2,
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now this was directed by if I butcher I apologize he just recently passed Jano Schwark,
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he's actually got a couple big hits under his belt we did talk about one of
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his films which is terrible sorry buddy which was the Santa Claus with Dudley
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Moore and John Lithgow God,
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rest his soul that was God shite I said shite shite right was that God shite
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I spoke like you for a second there right That was more like a sort of Dublin
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accent You sounded more like You know the vampire,
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From Sinners there Oh that's cool I'll take it You sounded like Leprechaun Ah
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to be sure to be sure You don't have to shite,
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That's my wee pad of gold you wee bastard That was more of a Belfast accent Fuck you wee shite.
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A wee pot of gold, you fuck. Right. Right. I don't even know what that was.
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That was a good one. It's a speech impediment probably, but you know.
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All right, back to Jaws 2.
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Now, it's kind of funny. There was some wheeling and dealing going on.
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Nobody wanted to touch Jaws 2.
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And you know what? I get their point. I mean, come on. It's Jaws.
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Masterpiece, right? Oscar winner.
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It's very hard to jump on board on this.
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But so what they did was.
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There's a very, very successful romance drama that came out in 79, 80.
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Huge. And women love it. It's one of the most depressing fucking films I've ever seen.
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But it is pretty good. It's called Summer in Time with Christopher Reeve.
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And it also had Jane Seymour.
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A very beautiful Jane Seymour. It is one of the most depressing fucking films ever.
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But women love it. Women love, they seem to love romance movies where the lead guy dies.
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Titanic. Didn't he die in that? He did. Yeah. Leonardo DiCaprio.
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I don't know. Maybe they're trying to kill someone.
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Even though she was floating on a condo. Yeah. I mean, that's a ridiculous film
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anyway. I think that's the least of its problems.
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But at the end. No, the lead actor, the lead role romance always gets fucked over.
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Bridge of Hermas County. That's what happened. Never seen it.
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At Fatal Attraction, that poor bastard really got screwed over and the poor bunny.
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Well, yeah. Haven't seen that in years since it was like on TV.
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I'm like, oh my god, it's about long. Right?
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Okay. We do realize there's going to be all sorts of fucking complaints now. You know?
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There'll be hope that you get bumped off in Citizen Flame the movie.
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I'll bump him off, no problem.
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Pay me enough. In Citizen Flame the movie. In fact, you don't even have to pay me.
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Brad Perry called. He's playing me. Right.
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Yeah. All right, so back to Josh Duke. Go for it.
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So, yeah, so Jean-Anne Schwartz wanted to direct this film badly.
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It's a passion project of his.
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So he said, we'll budget that film if you direct Jaws 2. And he says, cool, I'll do it.
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And they had to kind of do the same thing with Roy Scheider.
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Now, I don't know what happened here. This is an interesting one.
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Roy Scheider wanted nothing to do with it. Roy Scheider wanted nothing to do
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with it. I'm sorry, I was just interrupted by a Muppet.
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But Roy Scheider left for some reason the deer hunter. Which is a big leave.
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You don't leave the deer hunter.
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But he still owed Universal two pictures.
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So Universal says, you do Jaws 2, we'll remove the two picture deal.
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You just have to do Jaws 2.
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He decided he was going to do it.
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Unfortunately, it was kind of a douche on the set. Didn't make things easy for
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people, which is not fair.
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But I will say this, in his defense, as later in his years before he's passing,
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he says he regrets that. And he says, I actually came around to the film.
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Later on in my years after viewing it a few times so
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at least he came at peace with the film i i've read that too
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apparently he was basically the deal was something along
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the lines of he basically walked from
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the deer hunter so obviously the studio were pissed over him walking but they
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said we'll forgive you and we'll sort things out for you if you can back and
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do jaws 2 i would say well you know what go ahead you know what you said he
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yeah they got pissed because he was walking but at At least the deer hermit
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got Christopher Walken.
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Well. Boom, boom. Uh-huh. Which is, well.
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Okay, you know what? I'm done. I'm fucking done with you, man.
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I am done. My humor is wasted on you.
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Wasted. That was a fucking good one. It was improv. Boom. Heat of the moment.
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I say it. He just went, oh, so like. And he just completely changed the subject.
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Not even giving a little that a boy with that classic Christopher Walken.
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Okay. Okay, Bob. Hope. Sorry. You know, you took that, bud.
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But anyway as I was about to say before it was rudely interrupted by a very
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aggressive and angry Muppet.
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Yeah if Roy Snyder was
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a douche on the set or he was quite in bad form you know throughout the filming
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of this I think it actually helps his performance because I love the route that
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the character takes in this where he becomes a Captain A-Hat type obsessed with
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the shark even though he's right I think I think it's a great character turn,
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and it's followed up with some great scenes and quite dark scenes.
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We'll jump into that in a moment about the character arcs and where they went
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from the first one to this one.
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I have a problem with the Mayors and with Ellens and we'll certainly talk about that soon here.
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As we jump into the cast of Jaws 2, we've got a regular team back,
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Roy Shatner playing Chief Brody. We've got Lorraine Gary playing Ellen Brody.
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We got our boy Murray Hallington back, who I like to see as Mayor Vaughn.
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And Jeffrey Kramer is back, who plays the sidekick Hendricks.
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Now we got the new douchebag, Joseph Mascolo, who plays Peterson.
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He's kind of like the new Vaughn, I guess you can say. And we got the data dump,
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the, I like to say, the cameo Hooper part, Dr. Elkins.
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Yes. And then we got the dipshits.
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All of the rest of them are dipshits? Essentially, like every single kind.
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There's two Napoleon Dynamites here as well, which was quite awesome. I saw that.
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So we got Tina, Mike, Andy, Jackie, Paul, O'Tommy, Larry, Doug,
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Brooke, Marge, Bob, Patrick, and Ed. These are all the dipshits.
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These are all going to be eaten, and I'm fine with that. You're kind of right.
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This is kind of like the slasher team you get from Friday the 13th about to get butchered.
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Yeah, I was 100% on the side of the shark any time they were on the screen.
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I would also say that Broody's deputy is an alert dipshit. So he is,
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and I want him to get killed.
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He's all right. He's all right. But I do want to give a little shout out to
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Doug. He was, this is one of his first roles.
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And he was the one reading the book and they threw the water balloon at him. Yes.
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He was the nerd. This guy called Keith Gordon.
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Now, Keith Gordon has a quite successful career as an actor in the 70s and 80s.
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He was in Dressed to Kill. He was the lead in Christine.
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He was the lead in Back to School. And then he ended up moving to directing
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where he did Wake in the Dead and a fucking great film called A Midnight Clear.
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And then he does piles of DTV from Dexter to Fargo to The Strain.
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So he's done well for himself, and it's nice to see him. Good on him. Yeah.
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Yeah, he just kind of made – just didn't want to do acting anymore and didn't
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want to do something different. Yeah. But there you go.
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Now, I do like – now, the opening sequence is nothing like the original.
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You're not going to top it.
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Like I mentioned at the beginning here, the filmmakers knew that.
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But I do like how they plant the seed a bit, and all it is is these photographers
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that get attacked by the shark.
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Yeah. And the music starts. We love our John Williams score.
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But it's pretty much just a little Easter egg that they're peppering in the
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beginning of the film because this camera is going to come back.
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Yeah, exactly. They're setting up the scene later on to basically clear Brody's
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name. Oh, it doesn't really, though.
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But it's basically, it's a plot device setting up scenes later on, essentially.
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But also we'll get a glimpse of the Orca from the original.
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Yeah, that's what I really did like.
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Pull the heartstrings a little bit. You saw the orca just sitting down there. Yeah.
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And so it was nice. I think their main thing was to, they weren't going to overdo it with the shark.
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What they wanted to do was a little nod to the hat from the original.
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It's the orca. Here's where it is. Here's where it lies.
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And it comes, you know, after the photographers get it. Yeah.
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They don't, what can I say? they don't oversell
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the scene no I would say they don't
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try to top the Chrissy scene I would say overall again
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it's obviously because of Spielberg not
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being here but I don't want to give a full
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review now but this scene is an example of a lack of tension I would say that
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the script here is actually really good but the direction wise for example with
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this opening scene there is a lack of tension that were got in the original
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with Spielberg. I don't think that was their point.
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I do think, no, the whole point was just to a little nod to the Orca,
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and then these guys get it, but it will come back to play.
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There's a point for this scene, not just a little, you know, wink.
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Yes, but if you're going to have a scene with the killer shark,
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you want to make it as tense and as scurry as possible.
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Yeah, I mean, you're right to an extent, but I think they can't go for that
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because they know they're not topping the original. Now, there's a jump scare
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in this one that's fucking brilliant. And I will say this.
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The upper game, what do you do for a horror sequel? You up the body count.
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And there's some decent scenes coming up here that I really enjoy.
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And there's a jump scare that scares the fuck out of me. One of the divers will
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talk about it. I know what you're talking about, yeah.
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It's a wonderful scene. And then the per cadet who gets it is a wonderful scene. Yeah.
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And then when Marge gets it, there's some really good stuff here.
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Yeah. Yeah. Again, like I say, I also think it's a really good idea,
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script-wise, to up the ante by putting kids in peril.
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It's basically all a bunch of kids here who are the main ones in danger,
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as I think that's a wise decision.
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Again, this script is solid.
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So, Ellen now, I think she's like party comedy girl. Yes. And she's working
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for this douchebag Peterson. She works for the council, basically.
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Yeah. Yeah, and we'll jump into that one a little in a moment here when the
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time's right, when he gets fired.
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And we'll talk more about their arcs there, which kind of throw me off and kind
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of does a little disservice to the original.
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Yeah. Now, there's a beautiful shot, and it's the best shot of the film.
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Yeah. And they're at the pool party, whatever they're doing,
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pool party, committee, whatever the fuck.
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That's a dance type thing? Yeah, or some kind of grand opening or something.
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Yeah, it's kind of like a prom, but with that old sir as well. That's fucking creepy.
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There's got this Amityville there. The Amity Island inbred. Yeah, yeah.
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See, it scenes like this genuinely reminded me of Carrie.
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I know, obviously, it's a completely different story, but I was just thinking, Carrie?
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I never really thought about it. No big deal. No big deal. And Tweets Row.
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I still can't believe you didn't appreciate that Christopher Walken thing.
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It was all right. It was not. That was fucking good. Don't give up the day, Joe. Fucking good.
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Don't give up the day, Joe. I mean, I guarantee our listening audience is going, ha, ha, ha.
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Kieran, they are so class. Why is that deuce Trevor not understanding?
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Yeah, exactly. I'm sure they are. Wow. More like a little in their eyes.
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Isn't Sam, what the fuck?
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You know what? I want people to, you better fucking write in, people.
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send them to hate mail instead of me. Why not?
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Anyways, back to Josh too. Back to the big show. This is the longest podcast
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ever. Yeah. Longest podcast ever.
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But anyways, it's a night shot. It's night and we're in the harbor of Amity.
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Amity. Amity. I just call it Amityville as well, even though it's Amity.
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I know, it's Amity. It's Amity Island.
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Yeah. And so, and you see this boat just sitting there floating.
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It's nice and calm. but all of a sudden you see the boat moving so
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you know our little boy he's got a little bite of the boat yes and
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then the camera pans down over the night
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ocean and shallow waters because you're near the shore yeah and you can see
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it's beautifully lit the the white the gray shadow of the what what you think
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is a shark and it's a gorgeous i mean literally a gorgeous shot of the whole shark.
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And then you see the fin come up. Yep. And then the fin, you see the town on
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the island. You see the town as the fin rises, meaning our boy's back or junior,
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whatever you want to call it.
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It's a great shot and it's a nice way of reintroducing the shark to the town.
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By the way, I would say that part of the Jaws films were filmed on a set for
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Amity Island and I actually visited it back in 2017.
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I mean, you say that, but Everyone has.
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Everyone's done Universal Studios. Everyone has. Who gives a fuck?
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Not everyone has. Yeah, see? See? Did it make you feel good?
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Does that make you feel good, me saying that? No, it doesn't, does it?
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What I would have said was, wow. What I would have said was,
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wow, Trevor. Like being attacked.
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Wow. I would just be like, see, you're still talking. See, I can't even finish
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my sentence. Can't even finish my sentence. What the point was.
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Try your eyes. What the point was.
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It's hurtful, isn't it, when someone just dismantles a comedy made?
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What I could have said, wow, that's really amazing. Did you enjoy yourself?
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No, I wasn't going to do that because I'm just going to pounce on you like you
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do if I quit some walking joke.
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Your walking joke was shit. Fuck, that was a classic.
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Get over it. Back to Jaws 2. Get over it. Back to Jaws 2. Yeah, again.
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I wish the fuck you weren't on the island whenever the shark came out paddling.
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With your rubber rings on.
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There's a funny line. And what I do like about the reintroduction to the town
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after we see that beautiful shot, the shark coming to town, he's coming to town. Yep.
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Is just the banter between everyone, between Ellen and Brody and between Hendrix and Brody.
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And even, I mean, there's just, they're all the same, the same cast and crew,
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and they're all just shooting the shit.
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And they're just back to what they do in their normal routines after beating
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the shark four years ago.
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And there's some playful banter like he did in the original.
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It doesn't have as much in this one. The writing's a little more sharper on the last one.
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But there's some great dialogue. There's one where Hendrix finds the camera.
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And he goes to Brody. Brody goes, where'd you get that? It was at the abandoned cruiser.
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He goes, Jesus, if I had a 100 grand cruiser, I wouldn't leave it abandoned.
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And then Hedrick says, if you had 100 grand, there'll be an investigation.
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No, I mean, there is. But it's banter, quick banter like that that we had in
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the original that they do pepper in back in this one.
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I would say that again, it goes back to this is a solid script but what it's not I mean,
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there's a couple of things at least that it's not as good as the original with
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and that's character development apart from the Brody character who has great
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character development in terms of the dark sort of road that he Goes down,
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I mean obviously it's not too dark It's not possum, put it like that But I really
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liked The character arc For Brody here.
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Yeah, and the problem with the character arcs here, you're not going to get
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many of them. You're not going to get it. You're not going to get Hendrix.
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He's still kind of a whiny nerd.
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And the dipshits. Who cares about the fucking dipshits? Yeah,
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they're just sharp, mate. Yeah.
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Yeah, and that was kind of the problem. They were all likable.
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They were all there to help each other.
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None of them was really a dick that you wanted to see get it.
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You never really give us that villain.
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Yeah, yeah. There was never like a bully or anything. They were all just sort of dumb kids.
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And yes they are annoying and yes they're sort of rooting for the shark because
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you want to see a bit of gore and a bit of action as well but yeah I mean,
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in terms of the writing of their characters again
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it goes back to so many slicers that it is
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lightweight in terms of characterization but I don't think they're really there
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to be well thought out sort of characters they're there to be shark bait and
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because they're a bunch of kids and two of them are Brody's kids that sort of
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does up the ante in terms of the conflict and the drama,
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yeah and that's my point I can understand why
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people don't like the film because and that's the key reason right there
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also the movie's two hours long and I think and there's a couple elongated scenes
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couple scenes with the boats floating around yes yada yada yada but again like
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the last one I wouldn't end up much out of it I would like to have seen.
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More continuity that we got in the original.
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I mean by that, I just don't like the way Brody's treated here.
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By the same people that he saved from last time. I know that.
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I mean, it goes back to Vaughn being like, a deck again, but that's okay because
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he is a deck. No, but that no, it's not okay.
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Because when there has to be conflict, but in terms of the script.
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There doesn't. There are no, there doesn't. Of course there does.
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Let me, can I finish? Go ahead. My point is.
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The best art, I think, well, actually, Quint, when he realizes he fucked up,
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is probably the best one.
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But, no, mine was, I said this, was Vaughn's, the mayor, because that's when
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he, you know, when the disaster happens, he tells the parole,
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my kids were on that beach too.
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And right there was his art. Right there was this guy got it.
24:33
He finally had to take a hit.
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Oh, the town folk had to take a hit. He guessed what he did wrong.
24:39
And this one he's like oh come on
24:41
man there's not another shark but he's the same guy and
24:44
it's like wait a minute no no no you need to be sticking up
24:47
for him i get what you're saying you need you needed
24:50
you know what you needed you need peterson and the
24:53
rest of the committee to fire vaughn for sticking
24:56
up for brody yes that would have been perfect the the
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reason the reason basically they got murray hamilton back and
25:02
apparently he had to fill him at scenes quite quickly because his wife
25:05
was ill so they had murray hamilton back so i
25:08
think you know they wanted something to give him the character
25:12
something to do there has to be some sort of conflict but i agree that they
25:16
could have had it maybe with one of the other council committee members you
25:21
know being the deck yes yes of course yes but yeah i get that he hasn't learned
25:28
any lessons from the first film and there is a lack of continuity there.
25:32
He basically resorts back to being an asshole.
25:35
But, you know, if you're going to put the character Vaughn in the film,
25:39
I sort of want to see him being Vaughn and being an asshole.
25:44
Now you've got Peterson and him. And quite frankly, you have Ellen doubting him now too.
25:50
And it's like, come on.
25:53
Okay, this guy needs to be given a chance to be heard here. And he clearly gives
25:59
him a picture, which is clearly a fucking shark.
26:04
What's this nonsense to turn around and say is that seaweed it's a fucking shark
26:08
face I mean what are they talking about seaweed.
26:14
It's,
26:16
At least they could have said something like, well, it looks a bit like a dolphin
26:19
or something, but seaweed? What? You know?
26:23
But for the Brody character, there has to be some sort of conflict in terms
26:31
of other people opposing him.
26:32
I understand that. But all it was was one line fix.
26:37
Vaughn goes, give us time. We're going to talk about this. Next scene,
26:41
he comes home drunk. He's been fired.
26:43
All they needed was one scene where Vaughn meets him in the office. I did what I could.
26:49
And Vaughn goes, I stepped away myself. And you know what's a great scene?
26:53
That's all. That's it. Murray's gone. He's written out.
26:56
But man, he stuck to his guns. He stuck up for Brody, which he didn't in the
27:01
first one. And he regrets. You know what's a great scene? That's the same in bed.
27:04
I watched this years ago as a kid on TV for the first time, when I was a young kid.
27:09
And I couldn't remember much of it.
27:12
But the two scenes that I could remember are the one which has always stuck
27:17
out in my head where they find a dead whale on the beach,
27:21
that's eaten, it's all gory and stuff but also the scene where Brody is basically
27:26
whenever he's obsessed with the whole shark thing whenever he shoots up the
27:31
beach basically you know,
27:33
let's get some fired let's quickly talk about.
27:40
The skier scene the water skier. Yes. She gets eaten. Yeah, they've got this
27:46
as well. But I do love the dumbass driver.
27:49
Yeah. The shark's coming, she picks up gasoline to do whatever to it.
27:54
She ends up pouring it on herself and then getting a flare gun.
27:57
The absolute stupidity of so many of the characters here. You know what I mean?
28:01
She literally, yeah, and then the boat. The shark doesn't even kill her.
28:06
Her own stupidity of blowing up the boat and pouring petrol for herself kills her.
28:13
It's like, you know The shark doesn't even have to bother,
28:18
The shark was sitting there reading a book Watching this bitch On fire By the
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way, I really liked the look of the shark In this one, with the burnt face After this explosion,
28:28
I think that's pretty true They kept true to that And they definitely fixed
28:32
a lot of cosmetics That was a problem with the first one And that's why they
28:36
wanted to show up more Because they invested more What went wrong,
28:40
Or you can say it right because there was a blessing went wrong in the first one.
28:43
They decided they're going to show it, so they put a lot of work into the shark
28:46
in getting it right. So kudos to that.
28:49
But I think it's funny. Ed and Tina have witnessed everything that's happening here.
28:52
They witnessed the dead whale, the orca thing, and then they witnessed the skier,
28:58
disappearing in the water and the boat blowing up.
29:00
Yeah. So Ed and Tina, and then Ed gets his demise wonderfully.
29:04
But there's this scene where we meet Dr.
29:07
Elkins and very smart woman and she talks about the shark bites and who it could
29:14
be and Brody wants it to be a shark almost he almost wants it to be which is
29:19
creepy he wants to be right, he's obsessed yeah.
29:22
And so but she says you don't understand this could have been these wounds aren't that older,
29:29
the shark could have been bitten miles away and the current brought the whale in.
29:38
She's trying to be smart with him. And there's a great line where she goes,
29:42
Brody's kind of losing the plot at this point.
29:44
And he goes, well, I heard dolphins can communicate with each other.
29:47
Do you think if the shark blew up? And she cuts him off and goes,
29:50
no, sharks don't take things personally.
29:53
Yeah. But the two in the other films, in the later sequence. Oh, yeah.
29:57
Until we, part four. Yeah. Wow. The revenge, this time it's personal.
30:00
Well, this is the cousin's nephew's brother of shark number one.
30:05
Sentient shark that is pissed off because of its family getting killed in earlier films.
30:11
But jumping back to what you said about where he's now putting the sodium cyanide
30:16
in these hollow point bullets. He's turning the rumble.
30:19
And he's now on these lookup towers. Yeah.
30:23
And he loses it and he screams shark, shark, get out of the water,
30:28
get out of the water. He shoots the fish.
30:31
Yeah and but again it's almost
30:35
like they're trying to reflect on the scene where i really liked in the first
30:37
one where he realized michael's in the pond the
30:40
shark might be in the pond and he starts going faster and faster and
30:43
faster you know and we're running with him as the jaw scene picks up it's a
30:47
really nice little scene this one i didn't feel anything i just felt i actually
30:53
really liked it and i didn't i thought there was no tension there was no i think
30:58
we should have played on it more to where we actually think there's some harm coming.
31:02
But from the distance, when he sees it, even I would say, oh, that's something else.
31:08
It's a dark replay of the scene you're talking about from the first film,
31:11
but I think actually this dark route
31:15
that the character has gone down is actually the best part of Jaws 2.
31:19
And this is the sort of highlight of it with this scene where he goes nuts and shoots up the baits.
31:25
Yeah, no, I don't mind the act itself. The lead up to the lead up to the act
31:30
and the way the act's handled is not just, well, I mean, really,
31:35
you could have fooled the audience better with that.
31:37
I think possibly they could have
31:39
had more and more build up with the Brody character basically losing it.
31:44
But the problem is he had a lot of other characters to juggle,
31:46
especially the teenagers and also the council committee members.
31:51
So I would have liked more focus on the Brody character personally,
31:55
but that's not what we've got.
31:59
The best jump scare moment is the divers that are just diving in the water for a while there.
32:06
And one diver separates and he's got this clearing next to him on the left and
32:12
I didn't even see it coming.
32:13
It just comes out of nowhere and it's a full-on image of the shark. Yes.
32:17
And it is an underwater shot too, which would be hard to do.
32:21
And it's actually very good. Didn't see it coming. Well, I saw it coming. I just didn't know when.
32:27
Or what they did was they elongated the scene a bit. I was like,
32:30
okay, this is dragging a bit. So you're kind of getting kind of bored a little
32:33
bit. Yeah, what's happening here?
32:34
Yeah. Yeah, what's going on for the scene? What's the point? And then, boom.
32:39
It's timed well, actually. And it definitely wakes you up to let you know this
32:43
is the final act coming up. Yep.
32:45
Which is basically Brody's sons going out with their mates, even though Brody's
32:51
older son, the 17-year-old one, has been grounded because he's got a job.
32:55
And Brody's a douche to him, but it all makes sense because he's just generally
32:59
being a douche and he's worried, you know?
33:01
I mean, I do like... I thought the film kind of could have been long sometimes,
33:06
and I felt like that maybe because I wasn't into a lot of the characters because
33:09
a lot of them were dealing with the stupid dipshits.
33:12
But what I felt, though, you kind of needed it because you see the opening scene
33:18
with the photographers.
33:18
Well, that comes back into play with the camera, the image that he gets.
33:23
You get the wonderful jump scare with the other divers.
33:27
But that has to come, that comes back because Brody follows the ambulance that
33:31
he's, the guy's going to be picked up in and he finds out they don't know what
33:36
it was but he figures out there's definitely a shark out here.
33:40
That's where he finds out Michael and Sean his kids have gone to take the boat
33:45
out so each scene whether you think it's relevant or not actually is.
33:50
No, no, I know what you're saying but I personally think it would have worked better.
33:54
I think I'm going to be really to review what we are given but
33:57
i think one of the letdowns for me you know we're sort
34:00
of joking about the dipshits i mean being on on the side of the shark and stuff
34:04
but genuinely in terms of the tension and threat and overall drama i think more
34:10
deaths by the shark of the dipshits would have increased the stakes more and
34:16
it would have been more edge of your seat.
34:19
I think. Yeah, there's a little too many of those moments where they fall in
34:23
the water, and the shark's about to get them, and he pulls them up just a time. Exactly.
34:27
And also, I would say, there's too many of the dipshits as well.
34:30
If they had it just focused on maybe five of them instead of,
34:32
I don't know, what is there, 10 of them or something?
34:35
They did, again, going back to what I said about peppering the small moments
34:39
that matter that we don't think do at the time, I just mentioned in the beginning
34:43
of the pod, you got Ed and Tina.
34:45
These are the two dipshits that fall in the whale. to two dipshits that saw
34:49
the skier blowing up, whatever.
34:50
Yeah. And yet, but they're the ones, when Ed does get it, I felt sorry for that kid.
34:56
That was a terrible way to go. I know, but I want to borrow that.
34:59
I know, I'm not arguing that, but that is an effective scene.
35:04
It is probably one of the best kills in all the jaws.
35:06
It's when he grabs him and just drags him to the boat and you can hear him smack.
35:12
Yeah. And then he pops up screaming, help me, help me, help me.
35:15
He's trying to find his breath and he just gets gulped. thunder and
35:18
there's tina who sells it really nicely is she a
35:21
good actress she she did a nice job she did
35:24
a nice job they all they actually did their they've all done
35:26
their job but and i wanted more of that and we do we do get another great death
35:32
when morgan when sean falls in the water she self-sacrifices herself to get
35:38
him up on this boat and sean's a little kid and she literally gets engulfed by the shark.
35:45
I think that's the best death actually in the entire film.
35:49
It's terrifying because there's a shot where Sean, well there's a shot when
35:53
Sean sees her getting engulfed.
35:55
He's literally seeing her being eaten so cold. I know.
35:59
I wish we saw that. Yeah, and not just because we're sick freaks and like our
36:03
gore and all that, but I did want more of that because it really would have
36:06
raised the stakes, genuinely.
36:09
So, and again, back to the dipshits, in their defense, The actresses playing
36:13
them are all solid There's nobody really lets the side down In terms of acting here,
36:19
Well, they're not bad at all. I just don't like them. I just want them eating.
36:23
But that's to do with the writing of them.
36:25
And you know what? Teenagers are irritating and annoying anyway.
36:29
So, you know, who wants a sensible teenager in a slasher or a killer shark film?
36:35
It wouldn't work. That's the whole point.
36:39
Let's talk about the batshit crazy scene. Which one?
36:46
The chopper. Oh, yes, yes. Yeah.
36:51
Now, am I the only one? I fucking love this scene. It's shot well. It's funny about them.
36:58
When the shark grabs it and starts pulling it under, and then the minute the
37:04
blades hit the water, they fly.
37:06
Now, this sounds sick and morbid, but I'm saying it now. Now,
37:09
the blades fly, and they cut up the boat, causing a little more ruckus with
37:12
the little raft they had to make with all these different boats.
37:16
But I would like to have seen one of those blades go right through one of their fucking heads,
37:21
No, I know guys, I know you think but let's see a death that's not the shark,
37:28
I mean, fair enough, I mean, I know you've got issues,
37:31
and you probably need some sort of psychiatric help but I suppose in your defense
37:37
it would work in terms of in terms of raising the stakes yeah,
37:43
so yeah, wasted opportunity night.
37:47
Am I wrong? Like that annoying one, Jackie, who kept fucking screaming the whole
37:51
time. The problem is, the problem is it's a summer's golf course.
37:53
Put a blade in her chest. It's not an 18 certificate.
37:55
It's not actually an 18 certificate slasher. But okay.
37:59
Even better. Got it. Here we go. Go ahead. The blade comes at us, right?
38:03
But then all of a sudden, you see Jackie's body just fly and she hits the water.
38:08
And she's floating down in the water with the blade sticking out of her.
38:11
You don't have to see her penetrate. I'm classy.
38:13
You don't have to see her penetrate. but then you see all the blood coming and
38:17
then the shark just Right, right.
38:20
Yeah, well, yeah like a scalping with a helicopter blade and then our dead remains
38:25
eaten by a shark Yeah, I mean, I'm up to that What's the problem?
38:31
I've seen worse There's a cut scene and you can watch it on the 4K.
38:35
I don't know why they just don't put it back in They actually It works.
38:41
I don't know what they said, why they cut it Maybe for peace When the chopper
38:45
is brought down, we see the pilot inside the little cockpit. Yeah.
38:53
And the shark gets into the cockpit, the side of it, and grabs him.
38:57
Maybe the shuttle, but FIAC, I haven't seen this thing. I don't know.
39:00
You can probably YouTube it.
39:02
Yeah. But I don't know. I'd like to have seen that. But it was a good shot because
39:06
there's a pilot. They're helping him.
39:09
Okay, this is cool. They're going to be all right. And then I didn't see that.
39:13
Fucking takes it down. So funny. Oh, Josh.
39:22
Yeah. Then he got brought, he comes to save the day. You know, I,
39:27
Yeah, you're probably right with Brody because Brody's in the original freight
39:31
of water, doesn't like boats, blah, blah, blah.
39:34
Now he's commanding a boat by himself. He's Rambo on water, basically.
39:40
Yeah. With electric cables that are onto the sea and all sorts.
39:45
I would say I did enjoy watching the death of the shark with the electric cable.
39:50
I thought that. Yeah. Open wide. You say, ah. Open wide, motherfucker.
39:56
Elka, that's what he missed.
39:59
And it, because he remembers when Dr. Elkin says, well, they're attracted to sound.
40:05
Yes. It's set up. Yeah. It's set up earlier. We even see. And then so is the cabling.
40:10
So is the cabling. Yeah, I know. That's set up. But again, each scene is set
40:14
up properly. It's a good script.
40:16
Yeah. Whether you think the scene is necessary or not, they are telling you
40:20
something, whether you catch it or not, it's going to be relevant.
40:23
They're formatting the plot.
40:24
Exactly. how they're setting up stuff for later on. Again, script is solid.
40:28
Yeah, and our boy saves the day. And I like the shark's eyes are on fire and
40:32
smoking. It's a great death, yeah.
40:35
I can't expect any sort of horror slicer elements.
40:38
You know what I mean? At the end of every slicer, the bad guy has to have a
40:42
cool death, and the bad guy here, the shark, does.
40:46
Ah, Jaws 2. I like it. I like it, guys. I'm sorry.
40:50
I can't get mad at it. I enjoy this film. I own it. I have it on 4K.
40:54
I enjoy it. I can watch it again.
40:57
I have no problem with this movie at all. Don't keep me wrong.
41:00
It's not Jaws. It's not even close to Jaws. It lacks attention.
41:02
But fuck, it's a good time.
41:04
It lacks attention and the character development of the original.
41:09
It lacks Speedburg, essentially, but at the same time, I think it deserves a
41:14
bigger rating and more respect.
41:17
And maybe it has over the years, but you said it has like a 5.9 or something on IMDb.
41:22
It's not worse. if not worse, yeah. I would give it at least a 7. I would. I would. Yeah.
41:29
Jaws is an 8-something. This is definitely a 7, at least. You know,
41:32
they admit to what they had.
41:35
Up the body count, up the shark.
41:38
And while I know we're laughing at the teenagers and stuff and all that sort
41:43
of thing, but they're doing exactly what they're meant to do,
41:45
and that's part of the fun. It's like a Friday the 13th film.
41:49
Yeah, but before Friday the 13th was that kind of... before that genre was built. This is 79, so...
41:55
They were ahead of the game. But yeah, guys, give me, if you haven't seen it,
41:58
and seriously, a lot of people might not because the traditionalist with Jaws,
42:02
I'm, I can't, you know, Jaws is, like I told you before, he's a masterpiece.
42:07
Five out of five, 10 out of 10, you won't touch it. But someday,
42:10
you know, movie studios are going to want to make some money on that, on that success.
42:14
And Jaws too is, you know, they did what they said they set out to do and I
42:20
wasn't offended by it. They told you, this is what we're giving you.
42:24
Hope you at least have a smile on your face. And I did.
42:27
So what more can you ask for? Yeah, it's decent and it's entertaining.
42:32
And the great thing about them, they didn't try to copy and paste.
42:36
And that's what's important.
42:38
They didn't try to get a veteran actor to replace Robert Shaw.
42:42
They didn't try to get a young up-and-comer to replace Richard Dreyfuss.
42:46
They just worked with what they had. I continued the story. They didn't try to over-market.
42:51
They didn't try to replace Quinn. They didn't try to replace Hooper.
42:55
Yeah. They continued the story. A broody story, especially.
43:00
Well, there you go, guys. Draws 2. Up next? I don't know. Piranha, maybe?
43:04
Maybe piranha. Little shark. Piranha theater. Little alligator.
43:08
Well, we could do a reptile movie and a tiny fish movie during shark month.
43:14
We'll figure it out. We're just making this up as we go along,
43:17
folks, as no doubt you've gathered. God, we're fucking terrible.
43:21
You know what I do? This is what I'm going to do. We're doing a double feature. What?
43:25
You're saying a double feature? Double feature during shark month?
43:28
We are. because we've got a lot of films coming. So we're going to do a double
43:32
feature from Shark Month.
43:34
We're going to do other monster double feature, which would include Little Killer
43:39
Fish, Piranha, and Alligator.
43:42
Boom, a reptile one. Right. We're going to do back-to-back full double podcast.
43:47
Boom, classics. Okay. I would like to request at some point,
43:51
too, Night of the Lepus from the 1970s.
43:55
You must have fucking watched that. I do. And I have watched it recently again
43:59
It's basically giant killer rabbits What Okay, but now we're going away,
44:07
You're moving away From water now At least a reptile movie And a little fish
44:13
movie I don't mean you're in shark month.
44:17
Maybe Maybe And bones from Star Trek's in it, so beat that Oh,
44:22
wow Bones from Star Trek Damn it Jim, they're rabbits,
44:28
I like that joke The Christopher Walken was a piece of shit No,
44:33
no, I appreciate the Bones one,
44:36
Alright, I want to give a shout out To our very active listener We mentioned him last time Or her,
44:43
I don't know In New Jersey An active listener in California And our little Silent
44:50
wonder in Indiana Hello, Indiana I'm trying to think of what's Indiana Okay.
44:56
Isn't Yale in Indiana? I don't know.
44:59
I don't know. That could explain it. Right? They've been headhunting Miguel. Right?
45:04
They've been like, God, we'd love you to come and graduate with,
45:07
you know, be part of one of the, you know, be one of those honorary PhDs or
45:11
something. What would your PhD be in?
45:14
Talking what? Talking shite? What would it be in?
45:19
Shit talking! I'm a renaissance man here. You pass out, you get the wee scroll
45:24
and the wee hat and all, you know what I mean?
45:26
A doctorate of shit talk. So there you go. Yale, you got to back off here.
45:31
I appreciate you downloading us.
45:33
I just don't have time. I got so much going on. Yeah.
45:37
He got shark month. Look at him a brick. It's shark month going on right now, Yale.
45:43
How long have you got to make sure I'm right? Is it? Is Yale in Manhattan? I don't know.
45:48
Can you, you can't fucking Google that in two seconds for me.
45:50
I don't have Google. You do it.
45:53
Oh, Jesus. Here we go. What? I look like your servant?
45:57
Watch it out. I know you've got a degree now and a doctorate.
46:00
Oh, I'm not even close. Well, there you go.
46:05
Your doctorate obviously isn't in fucking geography.
46:10
Yeah, I was in Connecticut. There you go. Well, they're not going to want me now. No.
46:19
Would you get a shot month anyway, so it doesn't matter? Hold on,
46:22
Indiana University. What we got in Indiana, it's big.
46:26
Is there any, uh, What do you call it?
46:29
Ivy League? Who knows? I'm sure it's a lovely part of the world, though.
46:37
What? It's because of the Midwest. They call it the flyover states. Right?
46:42
Right? Well, I don't know. Why not?
46:47
Wait, is that... No. You know, all the big schools are all on the East Coast. Okay, looks like.
46:55
Well, there you go. sorry Yale you're in Connecticut,
47:01
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47:08
that's all I've got anything you want to add no it's all good I'm looking forward
47:13
to Piranha and Alligator so there you go double feature,
47:19
feature feature,
47:22
I'm excited for that one alright guys thanks for listening and take care of
47:25
yourselves. We'll chat soon. All the best.
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