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Christmas, Holidays and Divorce - The Grief of Going Solo For Christmas After Divorce · Reflect Reclaim & Liberate - with Sallyanne Hartnell

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, hello, beautiful humans, and welcome back to another episode of Reflect, Reclaim and Liberate.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to believe that we are just a month out from Christmas.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Holy moly, where has this year gone?
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Today is part two of my lead up to Christmas episodes, and today we're going to be talking about going solo for the holidays and grief.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now, with what we've been through as a collective, and yes, I'm based in Melbourne where we've experienced some of the longest and harshest COVID restrictions in the world over the past 18 months.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's not surprising that this year, perhaps more than any other year, we're really craving time with our families and loved ones as the holidays approached.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: Approached, approach.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think we've recognised as a whole just how important our connection to one another and spending time together really is.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: But what if, like so many families, you'll be spending these holidays and this Christmas apart?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Especially if this is the first time you've navigated the holidays as a separated family, it's going to be hard, it's going to feel challenging, and it's going to bring up all the big emotions sadness, grief, anger, disappointment, and all the rest, all in the melting pot.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, yep, holidays bring joy, but they're also reminders of what is no longer a part of our life, or um can really pinpoint for us what feels challenging in our life, in our life, in our family, in our relationship.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes to the joy, but the holidays, the Christmas season can also bring the realisation that where you are in your relationship and in your life is not really where you want to be, and that in itself can tip to can tip or trigger you into grief.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: Grief about the relationship, grief about the marriage you thought you'd have, grief about your disconnection, grief about the family and the life you wanted to co-create, grief about the partner you hoped he or she would be for you, when your reality feels quite different from what you'd hoped and dreamed about.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: So if you are feeling that, if the coming holidays are bringing up all the big feelings, sadness, loss, grief, this one's for you.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's also for you if the grief is almost like preemptive.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're thinking about separating, you're thinking about moving into a different form of your family, and the coming holidays, the coming Christmas season is triggering like a preemptive kind of grief for what you know if you choose that path, what you know or what you predict you're going to feel, and what you're going to lose, and how it's going to look and feel really, really different.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: So the holidays can be really triggering.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you might be feeling grief over not going or not being a part of those things, events, extended family gatherings that you would previously have been a part of.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: You might be feeling grief over not having the picture perfect greeting card type of family that we see blasted out at us in the media at this time of year.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: You might be feeling grief because maybe you're not spending the holidays or part of the holiday season or Christmas Day with your children.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: Or as I said, you're thinking about leaving your relationship, but you're pre-feeling that preemptive kind of grief.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: You're projecting and looking forward to what things might look like in the future.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: You're grieving for what you will leave behind, and the holidays are triggering you, triggering your big emotions because of the traditions, because of these the holidays.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: And you're thinking about what you'll miss if you leave.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: You're thinking about leaving, but you're already grieving.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: You're thinking about the next holidays as you move into these ones and all the ways things will shift and change.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_00: The family dynamics will change, where and how you'll celebrate will change, making memories with your children will change.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: You might have to change the way you spend time with them and with others over the holiday period, knowing that things will 100% change and what all of this means and brings up for you.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: And those feelings can really build and be magnified as Christmas and the holiday season comes closer.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: All the big emotions as Christmas and holidays loom ahead of you.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: So while we absorb the story around us that the holidays and Christmas bring joy, that they're all about family and connection and love and laughter, they can also be a huge reminder of all that you think you've lost, perhaps that you have, in fact, lost, or that you are looking at leaving behind, or that you might lose if your tricky, challenging relationship does break down and you move towards a separation.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it can feel really strange to be embracing both the fun and the love and the joy and the excitement and the celebration of the holidays, as well as holding the sadness, the pain, and the grief of a relationship ending, or feeling as though it might end, or feeling though as though this is your last holiday season, this is your last Christmas in this form of your family.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I thought I'd share on some ways that you can support yourself through the holiday season if it is feeling a little tender for you.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: And to kick off traditions.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: Traditions are great, and sometimes leaning on your old past traditions can help, but they can also be a source of a more acute kind of grief.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: The things that you used to do that now look and feel very different can trigger and magnify the grief.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: So while I think it's really important to honour the past and to lean on the old traditions that you've loved, it's also important to create new traditions.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: So lean on the old rituals as a connection and an anchor, but also open yourself up to creating and embracing some new ones, some new rituals that you can carry forward in this new format of your family.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: Secondly, allow your emotions.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: Don't push them down, don't minimize them.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: Be really honest about and acknowledge your grief if that is what you're feeling, or your sadness or your anger, or whatever it is.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: Be really open and honest about acknowledging it and allowing it to surface, allowing it to rise.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: Acknowledge it to yourself, and if you're ready to share, acknowledge it to others, particularly those who are close to you and have expectations of how Christmas should look and where you should be and what you should be doing, all the shoulds that I spoke about in the previous episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: So be really honest and as open as you can be in a really safe way.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you don't have to overshare, but be open and honest in sharing what you're feeling.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: Don't minimize or squash it down, don't pretend it's not there, don't pretend that everything's fine and you're just perfectly happy.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Allow it, allow yourself to feel all the emotions, even the even the dark shadow ones, the the pain, the anger, the grief.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: Also, and I think I touched on this in the previous episode when I was talking about all the shoulds.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's really okay to acknowledge if there is a sense of relief.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so many of my clients, and I know personally, there was a little bit of relief around, phew, now I don't have to step into that expectation.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Now I don't have to go to that extended family function that I've hated all along.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it's okay, and it's pretty normal to um to be feeling a sense of relief and and release.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and again, that opens up an opportunity for you to create new traditions and new new memories.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: If you are feeling a little tender, ask for help and so and support.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: Friends and family aren't necessarily going to automatically get it, they're not gonna automatically understand that you're feeling this due, you know, this whole hotchpotch duality of emotions, and they don't always know how to step in and be there.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: So talk to them ahead of time, ask for any help or support or extra loving that you need and allow them to give it.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: They will want you, they what they will want to help you through this as best they can.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, so talk about it and plan for it, and allow them to step in and help if that feels supportive for you.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: Also give yourself options.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: There's no right or wrong here, and this is a real opportunity for you to rewrite some of the stories around Christmas and the holidays and how you want them to be.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: So do have a plan A and a plan B in place.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: For example, if this is your first year solo without your ex and maybe even without your kids, and it feels a little raw, plan A might be going might be to go to Christmas or New Year's dinner with your family or your friends.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: But plan B might be really leaning into the loss and the shadowy feelings.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: It might be watching a movie or looking through photo albums and just hunkering down and really nurturing and caring for yourself without the social expectation.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: So have a plan A, have a plan B.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: If it's a delicate time in your relationship, if things are feeling a little tender or tricky and you're not sure how things are going to be going to pan out on the day or the evening or whatever, plan A could be going to your in-laws for lunch, while plan B might be allowing your ex to go ahead of you and you join a little later after you've caught up with your own family or you've nurtured yourself a little bit.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I say no rules, be brave here.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes simply having the plan B means that plan A becomes a little easier for you to navigate.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you've got kids, this is a real time to keep it as kid focused as you can.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: And that is not to say you abandon your own wants and your own needs to accommodate the kids, not at all.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: But if this is your first Christmas after separation, or even if it's you know one of the first, it can be easy to focus a little too much on what you want rather than what's actually going to make the day and the holidays run as smoothly as they can and focusing on what's best for the kids.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: So we can get hooked into you know how we think it should look, how it did look, and really focus on that, and that shifts the focus away from okay, well, what's gonna work best for the kids?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: So reframe the way you're thinking about it, drop the stories, drop the shoulds, reframe the way you think about the time you do have together because arrangements are not always Christmas and holidays arrangements are not always about how much time you want to spend with your children, but maximizing every chance you have with them and making the most of the holiday season and the day, special days with them.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, what would the kids prefer to happen on Christmas Day?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: And this is of course age and stage appropriate.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: Some kids are too little to make these decisions for themselves, but you can think ahead for them.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: You can think about okay, how how is it going to run best for them?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Is splitting the day, is splitting Christmas Day in half what the children would really like likely prefer, or would they be happier not to travel on Christmas Day and instead do it year about?
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Spend Christmas with one parent one year and with the other parent the next year.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: And some of that comes down to logistics and distance.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: How can you make it as kid-friendly as you can and everybody gets a little bit of what they most want either on the special days or throughout the holiday season?
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: What makes the most sense to everyone?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: My next tip is as much as you can cooperate with your ex-partner for the sake of the kids if this is a separated separated family situation.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: If you can decide together how Christmas is going to be this year.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: And remember that just now it doesn't need to be written in stone and it doesn't need to be determined how it will be forevermore.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's time to create a new normal, a new family tradition.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: But if you can cooperate with your ex-partner for the sake of the kids, communicate from a place of wanting to find a really good solution that works for all of you rather than wanting every one of your demands, be they reasonable or not so reasonable, every one of your Christmas holiday requests to be accommodated.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: What's the common ground?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: Find your common ground as a new family.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: What's fun or valuable, at least a little bit for all of you?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: What really matters to each of you, including the kids?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: Try to cooperate around those elements so everyone gets a little bit of what they want and create that new version of how Christmas and the holiday season is going to look for your family.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: So keeping it focused on the kids can also support you to rewrite your Christmas as a family if you're navigating a tender season in your relationship.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: If it's not a separation but it just feeling a little tricky and sticky and challenging.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: What really best serves the kids here?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: Tired, stressed, burnt-out parents who are arguing over, you know, which family to spend time with and how much time to spend where and every and trying to please everybody doesn't really support the kids.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't support you guys either.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe it's a quiet, calm celebration that everyone can enjoy, even if it breaks the usual routine or supposed rules of your family's Christmas.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: Feeling challenged in your relationship is the perfect time to maybe shift things and change things up a bit.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's the time to hunker down as a family, protect your energy, preserve your boundaries, and really honestly choose for you, for your family, for your kids.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: If you are changing things up, and whatever in whatever way, shape, or form that looks, try and discuss and plan things early.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: Now I know we're only a month out, but you've still got time.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Try and discuss and plan things early so everyone knows what's happening, and then you can make your plan B's.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: So actively choose and deliberately list out what you will be saying no to.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: Arrangements with people that you don't really like, expensive outings you don't really enjoy, or or you don't, you know, expensive dinners or events that you don't really want to be investing your time, your energy, and money in.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: All the things, you know, actively choose and deliberately list out the things that you will be saying no to.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever it is for your family, whatever it is for you.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you're feeling challenged in your current relationship, discuss together your drop-dead negotiables.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: I should say your drop-dead non-negotiables, those things that you really want each other to be a part of, those things that really you are expected or obligated to do, and then go a bit deeper.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: Do we really want to do this or is this just a should?
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: So discuss together what you really, really want to lean into as a family, as a couple, and then draw it, draw up your boundaries.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: So just because you've done X, Y, Z, whatever it is in the past, doesn't mean you have to do it this year when things feel tricky.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: And make sure you take the time and make the space to plan some of the things that you really do want to do.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Not just opt into all of those things you think you have to do, all the shoulds.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: So include some time to do nothing, include some time to do the things that you really want to do, and make a deal together to be sure that both of you get a little bit of what you most want and need over the holiday.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: And think about scheduling some alone time, some solo time, or some time that enables you and both of you to choose to do exactly what you want without having to consider someone else.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: You can actively choose it, schedule it in, make yourself a priority and give yourself the gift of time and space to do what you want to do.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever it is that you really want to do.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Make that a priority and choose it.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then communicate.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Communicate to keep everyone, including the kids, in the loop.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: There will be activities, events, concerts, end-of-year stuff, not just Christmas Day, but there'll be all of those things to be organized and arranged.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: And here's my red hot tip: here's a little crisp pre-Christmas gift to you.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't already have one, the busyness of end of year and holidays is a really great time to set up a joint calendar, joint digital calendar.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: It can be done really simply as a Google calendar and a joint family email address for all of the kid-related communication.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: This is great regardless of the status of your family, the status of your or of your relationship, whether you're living together or living separately.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: It allows everybody visibility on what's going on and who needs to be where, when, and age and stage appropriate, the kids can access it too.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: So communicate openly, set up your joint calendar, make sure everybody who needs to know what's going on knows.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's a really good time also to drop the stories.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: I did I keep going back to it.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: I talked in the previous episode about dropping all the shoulds.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is a time you can rewrite how Christmas looks for you.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: When you're worrying about your family, thinking that you don't match up, you're grieving what was or what you think should be.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's an invitation to rewrite the story you're telling yourself.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's an invitation to release yourself from guilt or grief, an opportunity to not buy into the BS story that all those other families are happily moving through the holidays with amazing lives, relationships, and plans.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know, it's possible that every other family you know is living the Christmas holidays family dream life, and it's unlikely.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Many, many families are feeling challenged and triggered right now.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: So if yours doesn't look like the textbook, if your family doesn't feel like the textbook advertises Dream Family Christmas, this is your chance to rewrite how Christmas and the holidays is for you, for your kids and your family.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's an opportunity to own your holidays.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Own your Christmas this year by consciously choosing for you, for your family, exactly what you want to do, how you want to spend your time and energy, and and where and with whom.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Actively choose.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: So really lean into the values that you have for your family, the values that you want to instill in your children, and build your Christmas around that.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gonna look and feel different, but that doesn't mean it's bad or it's wrong or you've failed as a family.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Not at all.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's going to trigger sadness and maybe grief as you navigate through a new way.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it is an opportunity to recreate or rewrite the way your family does Christmas.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: It can still be happy.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: There will still be happiness, even if you the bigger feelings are coming up, the grief and the sadness.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: So there will still be happiness even amidst the grief and the strangeness of this new way of doing Christmas and the and the holidays.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, what are the old family rituals that you would want to hold on to?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: What are the ones that really are important to you?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: And when you think about the values that are important to your family, when you think about the values that are important to you and those you want to share with your children, what are some new rituals that you can create or bring into your holiday story, into your Christmas?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: For me and my kids, it was um, I mean there were a few, but one that comes to mind was um celebrating on Christmas Eve together, watching the Carols and playing a very silly game of Carol's bingo, and that has become part of our story, part of our ritual, which we never did.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they were too little when we separated, but we never did that.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was not something that we did as a um as a Family, when their dad and I were still together.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: So that's part of our story.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: It might be something like that, it might be totally, totally shifting and changing things and volunteering at a local charity organization on Christmas Day.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Lean into whatever is important to you and your values and rewrite your Christmas story exactly how you want it to be.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: And going back to the communication piece, it's really important if perhaps you are having your children only for some part of Christmas Day, communicating with other family members or friends, or whoever you normally celebrate with, and seeing if they are willing to accommodate and juggle some of the usual times or events just to enable that easy transition so that your kids can still connect with extended family, friends, whoever it is, and still be a part of that bigger, wider celebration.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: It might need a little tweak just to fit your family in.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: So communicate ahead of time with your ex-partner and then with the other people that you would normally be spending Christmas time with Christmas Day with or the holidays, if that's what you still want to do, if that's still how you want it to be.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: If you're spending Christmas without your kids, go gently.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Do make some plans, but also be flexible and let your people know that you just might wake up feeling fragile or angry or just not in the mood to be social, so you might cancel at the last minute.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Have your plan A, but also be prepped with a plan B.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: And something that is really, really important: don't forget your own gift.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: If your kids aren't going to be with you, in fact, even if they are, make sure you found a way for your kids to choose and pay for a present for you.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: And they've wrapped it and popped it under the tree.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: Now that might be that you share it on a different day than Christmas morning, you might share it before they go, or they might share it after they've returned, but make sure there's a present for you.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: Don't overlook yourself here.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: If they're old enough, your kids can shop without you with some dollars that you've provided, or otherwise a family member or a friend can take them, or maybe your ex would do this with and for your kids.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: We've always done it, but that doesn't work and it won't work for every separated family.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: So make sure you find a way that your kids can purchase and wrap and choose and wrap and a gift for you, and either leave it under the tree for you to open Christmas morning, share it, they share it with you.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's really important.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's a beautiful way to teach your kids about giving and that Christmas is on the holidays, is about giving as much as receiving.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: So back to your plan A.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: Do have your plan A, but as I said earlier, have a plan B if you do wake up feeling tender and you choose to cancel your social plans.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: So do have something yummy to eat in the fridge, have a Netflix series that you want to binge on, go and sit on the beach or go for a walk or a run or a cycle if you if that's what you want to do.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Have your plan A, have your plan B, and really make sure that both of them nurture and hold you.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: If it's an extended period that your kids will be with their other parent, again make sure you have ways, activities, things, plans that will nurture and hold you through that period.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: You can plan a trip away with friends or even a solo trip, but make sure you've got a few things in place so that you don't just lean into the loss and the grief.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: Allow it, as I said earlier, allow it to rise, don't push it down, but also use the time to really fill up your own cup.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, Christmas and the holidays might be bringing up all the big emotions, and this year it might look and feel a little different, but there are still ways you can navigate through the tenderness, through the grief, and make it meaningful and joyful.
• 28:02
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• 28:08
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• 28:17
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• 28:34
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• 28:48
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• 28:56
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• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: This is as I said, it's a strictly limited offer and strictly limited spots.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: So if you've been sitting on the fence wondering what it's like to work with me, thinking that you might like to explore either how your relationship can look and feel, can you shift it, can you change it, or perhaps you're ready to navigate your way out of it, or you're moving through your separation, divorce, andor you're out the other side and want to reset.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: This is for you.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: Jump off the fence, um, ready to catch you, and would really love to support you at this time.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: As I said, if that's not you, but you know someone, I would love it and be so grateful if you would share it with your with your people so that they can get access to me and the support and nurture that they most want and need.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: Also, know that I'm so grateful to have you here with me listening, and I wish you a peaceful, calm, and happy holiday season.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be back in here with another couple of episodes before we close out for the year, but just know I'm so super grateful to have you listening along with me and hope you found something of what you need in this episode.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: Until next time.