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The Craft with Suzee Dunn · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies
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Speaker 1: have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends
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Speaker 1: and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and
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Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi,
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Speaker 1: welcome to the Beck Deel Cast. My name is Jamie
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Speaker 1: and this is our podcast about how women are portrayed
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Speaker 1: in movies. Hey, is it good? Usually no, almost never,
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Speaker 1: almost never, But sometimes a movie surprises us and it's like,
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Speaker 1: oh it wasn't it was like only terrible, but like
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Speaker 1: ten okay in its portrayal of women. And then sometimes
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Speaker 1: you're like, I'm tired, I'm tired, I'm tired of this,
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Speaker 1: I'm tired of this happening. I'm tired of this world.
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Speaker 1: Why do we have to have this discussion? But we
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Speaker 1: have to because someone has to, And and then you
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Speaker 1: just spiral are heroes. You're right, Jesus fucking christ Man.
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Speaker 1: What an exhausting time to be alive. Indeed, well, but
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Speaker 1: we're here, I don't know, maybe bring some levity to
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Speaker 1: anyone's life by yeah, sorry, yeah, but we're not supposed
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Speaker 1: to be the bummer podcast. Yeah, we're a fun We're
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Speaker 1: a fun lift up we're fun. We're fun. We're fun,
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Speaker 1: but sometimes we get piste off and you can just
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Speaker 1: had to be okay with it. It's an upsetting world.
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Speaker 1: We're allowed to have our feelings. Yeah, I've been drinking
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Speaker 1: a Mike's heart in days. What's going on? Ship, I
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Speaker 1: know that's what's going on. iBOT Crystally. We bought crystals, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we did. I bought like eight crystals. Bot. I didn't
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Speaker 1: say anything while we're in the store because I was
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Speaker 1: just like, no, she's into it, She's going for well.
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Speaker 1: I figured crystal. I have a lot of things that
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Speaker 1: need addressed in my life, and I bought a crystal
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Speaker 1: for every issue. I bought crystals yesterday and I was
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Speaker 1: vibrating at a very high level. I walked for a
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Speaker 1: total of three hours. I had a panic attack. But
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just I can't handle the energy of
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Speaker 1: the crystals yet, or maybe I should go back on
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Speaker 1: my bipolar medication. Hard to say. I bought the crystal,
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Speaker 1: feel good about it. Bought Picasso Jasper. I'm about to
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Speaker 1: start writing the Great American novel literally any second, literally
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Speaker 1: an It's on the tip of my tongue. I can't
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Speaker 1: wait to read we're so close. But yes, we bought crystals.
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Speaker 1: Totally fine, we can deal with it. Shout out to
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Speaker 1: all you crystal heads out here. We are become you. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we are among you, and speaking of like crystally we're
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Speaker 1: talking about. But before we even do that, let's introduce
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Speaker 1: our guests. She is the creator of Act Like a Girl,
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Speaker 1: which is a podcast. It's a live show. It's a
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Speaker 1: whole movement. It's a movement. As soon as you're done, Hello,
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Speaker 1: sorry I introduced you right as you were swallowing a
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Speaker 1: gulp of water. Also, I have to say I just
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Speaker 1: got given a bowl, like a pipe that's completely a crystal.
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Speaker 1: Whoa smoking and it gives you mental clarity or something. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's like two for one my brain chakras. Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: we're here to talk about the craft. Yes, wait, the
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Speaker 1: craft of screenwriting, the craft spiking of I do have
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Speaker 1: a master's degree in it. I to bring up it.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to open it brought up because you want
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Speaker 1: to know what's exciting. There are still only three degrees between.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, now we're even. Now we're even, I'll give
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Speaker 1: you one. You know the podcast. Yeah, I've never used it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: keep it. Keep it, Dad will finally be proud of me.
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Speaker 1: It'll be great. So one wants to make a dad proud. Honestly,
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Speaker 1: that's so twentieth century right over it. When did you
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Speaker 1: first see this movie? What's your history with this movie? Oh? Man,
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Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I saw this in my teen,
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Speaker 1: like teenage years. I was probably like thirteen or fourteen.
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Speaker 1: I think that's like the right age to see it
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Speaker 1: for the first time. I wish i'd seen it then. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was obsessed with it immediately. I mean, it's it's
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Speaker 1: not it is a teen movie structurally, but it's also
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Speaker 1: like not a teen movie. It's pretty scary. Yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: some scary imagery. There's some pretty heavy topics sexual yeah, racism. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I saw it until I was later
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Speaker 1: teens or maybe even early twenties. I think I saw
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Speaker 1: it for the first time in college and then Jamie
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Speaker 1: three am last night. Yes, you've never seen it before.
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Speaker 1: I've never seen it, which is weird. It's like a
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Speaker 1: movie that I know if I had seen it at
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Speaker 1: the right time, I would have been because I was
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Speaker 1: really into Witchy Ship when I was a teenager and
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Speaker 1: still kind of now. And and I mean, we just
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Speaker 1: bought crystal. We just bought crystals. Wait, what do you think? Well,
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Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts. I loved the first
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Speaker 1: half of the movie. The second half of the movie.
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Speaker 1: I didn't like the second half. I didn't like the
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Speaker 1: weird turn that it took in the second night. But well,
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Speaker 1: we'll get there. But in general, I liked what they
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Speaker 1: were going. I'll do the recap of the craft, the
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Speaker 1: recraft that doesn't make any sense. I loved it, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much. So. It centers on these four girls, Sarah, Nancy, Bonnie,
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Speaker 1: and Rochelle. Sarah's new to town. She just moved to
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Speaker 1: l A from San Francisco, and she's like already kind
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Speaker 1: of practicing witchcraft and magic. And these Sarah hot, all
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Speaker 1: of them. All of them are big. It's it's a
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Speaker 1: it's a very it's a hot move ho. It's a
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Speaker 1: lot of hot, but not really any hot men to
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Speaker 1: speak of. Um, I'm gonna go with Skeet, not his character.
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Speaker 1: Who's Skeete that's his real name? Oh wait, the like
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Speaker 1: a job, Yeah, the the guy that his name is
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Speaker 1: the short term for masturbation, like skee like like Skeet skeet,
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Speaker 1: motherfucker skee goddamn skeet skeep motherfucker ear. Yeah, yeah, he's
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Speaker 1: on Riverdale. This is all wild. I didn't know he's
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Speaker 1: a guy from Riverdale. Well, I guess he's hot. I
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Speaker 1: find he's hotter now really, I think he's hotter. Now
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Speaker 1: I would agree he's hotter. And I didn't think he's
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Speaker 1: hot in the Craft Riverdale. I think his character is deplorable.
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Speaker 1: So maybe that's why. Well, I like that, Like this
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Speaker 1: movie totally harkens us to discuss the male characters that way,
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Speaker 1: like in a way that generally would discuss the female characters, right, Like,
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Speaker 1: it's just like very easy to be like, well he's hot,
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Speaker 1: he's not. Yeah, and then we don't know anything about
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Speaker 1: his character and he's not that he's horrifying, but we'll
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Speaker 1: get yeah, we'll get there. So Sarah's like, hey, you
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Speaker 1: guys seem witchy. I'm kind of witchy. Maybe we should
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Speaker 1: all be friends, and the other three girls are like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we need a fourth because they have to have earth
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Speaker 1: and fire and everyone of fours, they need a north,
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Speaker 1: south east West. So they sort of bring her into
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Speaker 1: the group, and Sarah is the most talented of the witches,
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Speaker 1: so she's able to introduce him to different spells and like, hey,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, there's this racist girl, let's make her
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Speaker 1: hair fall out. Wait a minute, there's this boy skeet well, well,
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Speaker 1: Sarah like she's the best witch, but she knows the
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Speaker 1: least and then they like kind of teach her how
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Speaker 1: to harness she's like the least educated. Yeah, and so
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Speaker 1: she just has raw talent, right, but then they sort
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Speaker 1: of mold her and their teacher had to cast the
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Speaker 1: spells and then they yeah, so they like there's different
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Speaker 1: people who they sort of want to cast spells on,
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Speaker 1: either to punish them for being racist. Taylor, all racist
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Speaker 1: people should just go bald, and I'm setting them off
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Speaker 1: the hook right right, because some of them might look nice. Well,
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Speaker 1: it was like spoiled. It was a weird I never
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Speaker 1: even made the connection that made they were turning her
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Speaker 1: into a skinhead because racist sometimes are already involved by choice,
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Speaker 1: because like, this is part of the I wonder if
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Speaker 1: the two white guys who wrote this movie thought that
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Speaker 1: hard about it. I doubt it. I doubt it, but
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Speaker 1: I said, but I like that. But then that's also
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Speaker 1: interesting because even though like, Okay, yeah, that's great that
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Speaker 1: they talk about racism and like show a racist character
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Speaker 1: getting her come up. And but then like they don't
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Speaker 1: even give Rochelle a lot of validity as a character,
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Speaker 1: Like we never see her home life. The only time
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Speaker 1: we see her, she's the only character. She's the only one.
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Speaker 1: Like we just see her front door. That's it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's I mean the back half of this movie just
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Speaker 1: and there's no other person of color. Yeah, she is
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Speaker 1: the only one. I think you even see unscreen any
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Speaker 1: which is like for a movie that takes place in
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, is like craziest thing. But right, So, so
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Speaker 1: she punished these Yeah, and then Skeet is like he
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Speaker 1: spreads this rumor that like he and Sarah head sex
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Speaker 1: even though he didn't. But then Sarah's like, well, I
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Speaker 1: still want him to like me. So she cast a
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Speaker 1: spell and he sort of becomes obsessed with her. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then um, Nancy sort of like the head Dorothy
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Speaker 1: Gale in The Terrible Movie, returned to oz. Yes, I
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Speaker 1: still have not seen that her eye. Yes, oh my god.
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Speaker 1: But she wants to sort of invoke the spirit of man. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they worship a male god, which is kind of upsetting
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Speaker 1: right movie, like like who's inside of you? Anyways? So
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Speaker 1: she like they cast this spell or whatever, do this
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Speaker 1: ritual to have him be inside of Nancy, and then
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Speaker 1: it turns her all evil and then they have this
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Speaker 1: big they sort of duke it out at the end.
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Speaker 1: Finally Sarah triumphs because she's the good witch of the
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Speaker 1: North yea literally, And then is Nancy the witch of
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Speaker 1: the South? Am I saying she's not of the West? Um?
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Speaker 1: But I don't remember who's who? I didn't even I
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Speaker 1: can't either. But I also think that they assigned them
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Speaker 1: the wrong elements in my opinion, thinking that too, because
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Speaker 1: I think that Rachelle is definitely air and Bonnie is
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Speaker 1: definitely earth. And then this is like different than I
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Speaker 1: think most people would think. But I think Sarah is
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Speaker 1: fire and Nancy is water because Nancy is more chaos
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Speaker 1: and fire is like, I don't know, like more controlled
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Speaker 1: and it's all like one thing, whereas water like other
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Speaker 1: things can exist in it and there can be like
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Speaker 1: different kinds of chaos whereas fire is just like all
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Speaker 1: this anyway, I think about these things. I was just wondering,
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Speaker 1: It's like, am I am I a fire Am I
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Speaker 1: a water? Am I Samantha? Am I Charlotte? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I think you're what's what's your? What signed are you?
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Speaker 1: Is it? What kind of sign is it? I'm a chorus?
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Speaker 1: Well that's earth an Okay, I'm a sign. I'm a
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Speaker 1: fair sign. I guess I'm an ares Leo nice Earth?
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Speaker 1: Well Earth is Sarah was Earth? Right? Think I think
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Speaker 1: that's what they signed her to. Yeah, um yeah she
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Speaker 1: was mother? Yeah yeah, right right right. And it's like,
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Speaker 1: I guess I can see that argument. I don't know, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think. Okay, So something I did find funny in
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Speaker 1: this Okay. So the big problem for me with this
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Speaker 1: movie is the first half of it is all about
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Speaker 1: these teenage goth adjacent misfits finding each other bonding. There's
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Speaker 1: a little bit of friction, there's a little bit of
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Speaker 1: click problems, but ultimately it's people in high school finding
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Speaker 1: people that they like and generally doing positive, like or
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Speaker 1: not horrible things. They make a racist go bald. I
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Speaker 1: think that's very cool. You know. Nev Campbell gets healed
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Speaker 1: of her scars and it's confident like in this universe. Now,
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Speaker 1: her doctors being like written up about in medical journals
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Speaker 1: for hearing right and women lifting up women women even
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Speaker 1: though the women in stem in this case had nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with it, women in magic, because she's like
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Speaker 1: making major breakthroughs, right right, I mean, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: about them coming together. And then the second half of
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Speaker 1: the movie they kind of sell out all the momentum
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Speaker 1: made in the first half and just turn these characters
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Speaker 1: against each other in a really brutal way. And and
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Speaker 1: for me, the most frustrating part was, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: guess we're to understand, you know, Nancy gets her wish,
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Speaker 1: which is move inside of her and she basically becomes
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Speaker 1: a god who can read people's thoughts and fly and
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Speaker 1: appear and blah blah blah. But then they basically sell
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Speaker 1: out the characters of Bonnie and Rochelle, who we have
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Speaker 1: started to learn more about and they have been getting
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Speaker 1: to different degrees at least we've gotten looks into their
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Speaker 1: lives and we're sort of understanding where they're coming from
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Speaker 1: and why they want what they want, and then all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like, oh, but none of that
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Speaker 1: matters anymore. They're just gonna do what Nancy tells them
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Speaker 1: to do. And now they're I was shocked by that
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Speaker 1: choice that they didn't have them be on Sarah's side
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Speaker 1: or didn't even in ass the like that we don't
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Speaker 1: see that change take place. It just happened. Yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: no real build up or arc. Well are we to
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Speaker 1: believe that and his power is sort of corrupting all
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Speaker 1: of them? Or maybe just but then why are they
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Speaker 1: still bitches at the end? You know when they when
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Speaker 1: they go up to Sarah and they're like, hey, we
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Speaker 1: don't have powers anymore? Do you have? Like it was
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Speaker 1: just weird because they all came together as friends and
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Speaker 1: then it's sort of and I thought of that too,
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Speaker 1: of like, oh, maybe they're just being manipulated by Nancy
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Speaker 1: and mentally. But but even after that's no longer a thing,
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, are we supposed to think that these
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Speaker 1: three were just not good people the whole time? Because
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Speaker 1: I I don't like that there is sort of that
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Speaker 1: implication because come to think of it, I don't think
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Speaker 1: Mom is a bad force. The how he's everything, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's every seld and as the witch store lady, I
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Speaker 1: can't remember what her character's name is. I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 1: which store lady, which short lady? She says, like there's
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Speaker 1: evil and good in nature in the world, so like
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Speaker 1: it's really the witch who chooses, so she will. And
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Speaker 1: also like they steal from her in the beginning, which
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Speaker 1: I know I've as a teenager, I stole stuff sometimes,
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Speaker 1: like more like from CVS than like from from a mom. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: from like a locally owned and to her credit, I mean,
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Speaker 1: she doesn't seem super bothered by it, like you know,
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Speaker 1: like that the woman who owns the New Age shop
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Speaker 1: is just like, oh, you're stealing again, and she's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't have any money. I was like, this is
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Speaker 1: a weird dynamic. Why would you let him keep coming in?
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Speaker 1: But she's so chill, she's in with Manos. She's like whatever, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's his life. That's a good point though about this
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Speaker 1: movie starts out is like a depiction of female friendship
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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, cool, I'm glad they all found
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Speaker 1: each other and even though some of them are you know,
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Speaker 1: like rough around the edges, they found each other and
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Speaker 1: that's nice. And then yeah, by the end, they've pretty
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Speaker 1: much all the three original which is all turned on Sarah,
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Speaker 1: and then they try to kill her, even like I
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Speaker 1: pretend like her dad and stepmom are dad. Yeah, oh
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Speaker 1: my god. That That was the thing that made me laugh,
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Speaker 1: is like they're like, oh man, it was a flight
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Speaker 1: from l A to San Francisco. I'm like, that's like
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Speaker 1: an eight minute flight. How can you get that wrong?
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Speaker 1: She should have known they were lying. At the end,
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Speaker 1: you see your dad and he's like, hey, it's me.
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Speaker 1: I was like, of course you took a two minute flight.
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Speaker 1: What You're fine. I love those parental relationships. I love
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Speaker 1: Sarah and her dad. They're so cute together. Like, I
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Speaker 1: love that she doesn't have daddy issues. Yeah, he's like
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Speaker 1: kind of the only male character that you don't end
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Speaker 1: up absolutely hating. Yeah, and he likely supports her. Like
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Speaker 1: when when that guy shows up when they first get
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Speaker 1: to the house, Yeah, the snake man, Like he like
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Speaker 1: what freaks out on him? Yeah, that was so fucking weird.
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Speaker 1: He like freaks out on him, you know, rather than like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, victim blaming or something. Right. And I
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Speaker 1: also love Nancy and her mom's relationship, which I do
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Speaker 1: think also gets spoiled by the second half because it's
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Speaker 1: like they have so I mean, like, yeah, they're a mess,
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Speaker 1: but like they're each other's mess. I didn't. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I didn't like Nancy. It's interesting because again it's like
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Speaker 1: the movie does a lot of work in the front
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Speaker 1: half to develop Nancy's character. Is like, yes, she is
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Speaker 1: jealous of Sarah, which is like not atypical for teenage girl,
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Speaker 1: and so I was like, okay, she's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: she's tough, but like she you know, she doesn't seem
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Speaker 1: like a bad person. And then they give us her backstory,
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Speaker 1: which is like she has a brutal home life, like
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Speaker 1: her mom and her stepdad I guess are are alcoholics
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Speaker 1: who are screaming at her from the second and her
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Speaker 1: mom is the first an yell at her um. And
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Speaker 1: so it's like, okay, she has a really really really
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Speaker 1: hard home life. And then sort of sells that out
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Speaker 1: when they're just like, okay, now she's an all powerful
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Speaker 1: being and she's a she's an evil bitch, and at
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Speaker 1: the end she's punished by being in in a mental
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Speaker 1: asylum and you know, in a kind of needlessly long
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Speaker 1: montage of her, you know, I was like, okay, we
17:23
Speaker 1: get it cut, Yeah, just like what did it were?
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Speaker 1: They like, no, we need more, like but either way,
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Speaker 1: I was just like man like it. I don't I
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Speaker 1: don't get why this movie went the way it did,
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Speaker 1: because it just sacrificed all the really good character development
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Speaker 1: they were doing to just turn girls against each other
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Speaker 1: for the sake of it. I felt like, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I mean, I have conflicting feelings about it,
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Speaker 1: the same way I do for like Heathers and Mean Girls,
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Speaker 1: where it's like a depiction of female friendship which is
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Speaker 1: like always to me kind of just defaults is like,
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Speaker 1: oh cool, I'm glad that there's a movie about this, right,
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Speaker 1: And then they're often shown as like, at least some
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Speaker 1: of them are like really awful to each other to
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Speaker 1: the point where they're killing each other or trying to
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Speaker 1: kill each other or just like bullying each other. So
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Speaker 1: there's that that I'm like, okay, well, yeah, like you said,
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Speaker 1: towards the second half and towards the end, the three
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Speaker 1: original Girls too, of the characters are basically they're just
18:22
Speaker 1: like well, whenever, like they just totally blow them off.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, yeah, they're just like, well everything.
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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed the first half of them, because
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Speaker 1: now they're just going to be around. It's also so interesting,
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Speaker 1: like their hair all just gets so much better as
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Speaker 1: they are more power and I also love that. Oh
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Speaker 1: I can't even remember why she said this, but my
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Speaker 1: favorite line in the whole movie was when Rochelle is like,
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Speaker 1: and I told her your white honeys just deal with that.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. They're like, what did Nancy wish
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Speaker 1: for her? She's like, I don't know. She wished to
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Speaker 1: not be white trash anymore. It was like, and I
18:58
Speaker 1: told her, you're what there? But I mean Nancy. I
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Speaker 1: guess I didn't really like the takeaway I got from
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Speaker 1: Nancy and her mom because even after we see the
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Speaker 1: stepfather have a witch induced heart attack and he dies
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Speaker 1: and then they get money, that's all like great, great, great,
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Speaker 1: love to see a villain his mail died in front
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Speaker 1: of me. That scene in the trailer too, when they're
19:21
Speaker 1: talking with the guy, that's like, yeah, all the different
19:26
Speaker 1: Like the art department must have had so much fun
19:28
Speaker 1: creating that scene because there's like different wallpaper on each
19:31
Speaker 1: wall of the trailer, and like scenes are just like
19:34
Speaker 1: sitting and smoking stick so good. I love it, and
19:42
Speaker 1: look like she's crying but then she's laughing. It's so good. Yeah. Um,
19:46
Speaker 1: And so that was all great, But then I feel
19:48
Speaker 1: like where you sort of leave off with Nancy and
19:50
Speaker 1: her mom as they moved to this really nice apartment,
19:52
Speaker 1: which you're just like a hundred but it was so
19:57
Speaker 1: then they moved into this amazing apartment in l A.
20:00
Speaker 1: But the jukebox that only plays Connie Bradley Bailey something right,
20:07
Speaker 1: Conny Connie Walker, my favorite France frand and my favorite
20:14
Speaker 1: that's a feminist. Um. But then with I'm pretty sure
20:21
Speaker 1: the last time we see Nancy's mom, you can tell
20:24
Speaker 1: you the door in her face, right, because her mom
20:26
Speaker 1: is still kind of a disaster alcoholic who's not thinking
20:30
Speaker 1: about her daughter. And so it's like, well, you know,
20:33
Speaker 1: that's not what's gonna make Nancy happy. Even though that
20:35
Speaker 1: improves her situation by not having a piece of ship
20:37
Speaker 1: step step dad anymore and having a better living situation,
20:40
Speaker 1: her mom's still an alcoholic and doesn't know how to
20:42
Speaker 1: take care of her kids. And that is like kind
20:45
Speaker 1: of devastating and and sad and hard to see. Um,
20:49
Speaker 1: and also just made me feel worse when they turned
20:52
Speaker 1: Nancy into a total evil demon because I was just
20:55
Speaker 1: like she you like, I feel like if you're gonna
20:58
Speaker 1: do that to a character, if you're going to if
21:00
Speaker 1: you know at the beginning you're going to take this
21:01
Speaker 1: character and turn them completely irredeemably evil, but then don't
21:06
Speaker 1: give them a very sympathetic backstory that like possibly a
21:09
Speaker 1: girl seeing that movie could relate, you know, because so
21:13
Speaker 1: many I mean, you know, it's not uncommon to have
21:15
Speaker 1: an alcoholic parent, and so it's just weird to see that.
21:19
Speaker 1: There's also a little moment where like her stepdad, she's
21:21
Speaker 1: like wearing a robe and he's like you could almost
21:23
Speaker 1: see through it, and he like kind of yanks on
21:25
Speaker 1: a robe and it's like weirdly sexual. And another thing
21:31
Speaker 1: that I struggled with in this movie is that a
21:34
Speaker 1: lot of the spells that they because each of the
21:37
Speaker 1: four girls has sort of like their own character arc.
21:40
Speaker 1: They're thing that they're trying to achieve, and at least
21:43
Speaker 1: two of them are like either very superficial or selfish.
21:47
Speaker 1: Where Bonnie is trying to remove the scars so that
21:50
Speaker 1: she can be beautiful on the outside as well as
21:52
Speaker 1: and and then as soon as that happens, she turns
21:55
Speaker 1: like ship on the inside. She's like but also when
21:57
Speaker 1: they were just like when Sarah was giving her a
21:59
Speaker 1: hard time in the car. I don't know. And I
22:01
Speaker 1: say this as a teenager that wore a back brace,
22:05
Speaker 1: Like when when Sarah turned to Bonnie and was like,
22:07
Speaker 1: ever since you started looking at like a normal girl,
22:10
Speaker 1: you've become a real bit or like that was summarized,
22:13
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, give Bonnie like
22:14
Speaker 1: a couple of months to be a little bit and
22:16
Speaker 1: be like I'm cute now. I was like, man, because
22:18
Speaker 1: getting out of a physical prison is exciting, and give
22:21
Speaker 1: her a couple of months. I don't know. I was
22:23
Speaker 1: like getting her dress sexy and walk around. Yeah, like
22:26
Speaker 1: let for a narrative of a movie. It was a
22:30
Speaker 1: little bit of a bummer to like see Bonnie like
22:32
Speaker 1: so like her hair like so greasy and in her
22:35
Speaker 1: face and just like completely covered up because of this scar,
22:38
Speaker 1: you know. And then like the minutes off she's like
22:40
Speaker 1: sexy nev Campbell. All of a sudden she starts out
22:43
Speaker 1: very ali sheety in the breakfast club. Yes, well, but
22:48
Speaker 1: I think almost like covering her face with her hair
22:50
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, please don't know this. It's Neuf
22:52
Speaker 1: Cambell and she's very hot because she's hot at the
22:55
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie too, but it's that crazy Hollywood
22:58
Speaker 1: thing where they're just like, we're just going to gaslight
23:00
Speaker 1: you into thinking she's not not because she looks a
23:03
Speaker 1: little bit she's gonna have a middle part. And well
23:08
Speaker 1: between that her like her wanting to remove her scars
23:12
Speaker 1: and Sarah, who's the main character that we're most supposed
23:16
Speaker 1: to identify with and root for, her thing is that
23:19
Speaker 1: she wants this boy to like her even after he
23:22
Speaker 1: spread these like vicious rumors about her. And so I
23:25
Speaker 1: want to go through that arc really quick. Skeets Character
23:28
Speaker 1: arcs se day out on every episode of the Backtel
23:33
Speaker 1: Cast Skeets Character Arc. So, okay, So the first thing
23:38
Speaker 1: you see is like him talking to Sarah and he's like, oh,
23:43
Speaker 1: the old girls over there, the bitches of east Wick
23:45
Speaker 1: and the like slut shames Nancy and like we're like, oh,
23:48
Speaker 1: I don't know, really, it's just like she's a slut. Yeah, yeah,
23:52
Speaker 1: I know how he feels. So he's like talking them
23:57
Speaker 1: and then they go on a date. He and Sarah.
24:00
Speaker 1: They're like flirting. He's like, oh, your head is good
24:03
Speaker 1: good for kissing? Can I? He asks Permis I know,
24:08
Speaker 1: I know not to do I know, and then and
24:11
Speaker 1: I was like feminist Nikon Skeet asks permission to kill
24:17
Speaker 1: ri He I was like, wow, this never we never said.
24:23
Speaker 1: I literally said out loud less and I was like, God,
24:25
Speaker 1: damn it, that's so sexy. And then he sucks it
24:27
Speaker 1: all up, which is weird because he well, I mean
24:31
Speaker 1: she and she says no and he's like oh, and
24:33
Speaker 1: then she's like, are you mad and he says no,
24:36
Speaker 1: and then you're like and then the scene cuts to
24:38
Speaker 1: the next day, You're like, well they do kiss? They did? Well,
24:41
Speaker 1: yeah they did, because but then totally adds validity to
24:46
Speaker 1: a story because his friends see them making out and
24:48
Speaker 1: then they're leaving, so that's like key that, like they
24:51
Speaker 1: do kiss, because then everybody's like, well we saw them
24:54
Speaker 1: making out comes afterwards, right, because then he asks her
24:59
Speaker 1: to go home right him, and she says no, and
25:01
Speaker 1: he's seen he's like saying he's okay with it, But
25:03
Speaker 1: the subtext of his tone and stuff like that is
25:06
Speaker 1: he's annoyed and piste off that he will that she
25:09
Speaker 1: won't go home with him, So then he spreads the
25:12
Speaker 1: rumor that they slept together, and then she calls him
25:15
Speaker 1: out on it. She's like, you're a lying sack of shit.
25:18
Speaker 1: Fuck you, and he's like really rude to her, and
25:20
Speaker 1: then she's like, oh, I better cast a spell to
25:22
Speaker 1: make him like me. Even he also proved himself as
25:25
Speaker 1: a piece of ship. He also says like out like
25:27
Speaker 1: he like yells so that everyone hears, just like I
25:30
Speaker 1: don't want to date you again or whatever, like just
25:33
Speaker 1: to add even more relity to a shitty, shitty story
25:35
Speaker 1: and its stupid pants. There is terrible pants in this
25:39
Speaker 1: movie pants. So by the way, this movie, I just
25:44
Speaker 1: want to say that this movie completely was passing the
25:47
Speaker 1: backdel test until minute thirteen, which I love was really good.
25:51
Speaker 1: That never happens and that has to happen one time.
25:54
Speaker 1: And at minute thirteen they talk about how much they
25:57
Speaker 1: don't like the guys. That's like the first that that was.
26:00
Speaker 1: Another part I liked about the front half of this
26:02
Speaker 1: movie is that at the beginning, when I mean, granted,
26:07
Speaker 1: do Nancy, Bonnie and Rochelle basically bully Sarah into being
26:12
Speaker 1: their friend. Yes? Is that clicky and problematic? Yes, but
26:18
Speaker 1: they're just come with us. They're like, you're our friend now,
26:22
Speaker 1: which kind of happens in a more fun way and
26:24
Speaker 1: mean girls. But but it's I mean, that's high school,
26:26
Speaker 1: I guess, but you know, worth saying. But they sort
26:29
Speaker 1: of look out for each other a little bit, where
26:31
Speaker 1: Nancy very in no uncertain terms, says, look out for Skeet.
26:36
Speaker 1: He's a predator. He'll hit on anyone with hits. Trust me,
26:40
Speaker 1: he spreads disease right right, except Bonnie because she still
26:45
Speaker 1: has a middle part for like twenty more minutes and
26:47
Speaker 1: then she'll start fucking anyone she wants. But and then
26:51
Speaker 1: when that happens and Sarah finds out the hard way,
26:54
Speaker 1: that's Skeets an asshole. Nancy sort of gloats a little bit,
26:58
Speaker 1: but ultimately doesn't shame where for it doesn't doubt her
27:01
Speaker 1: story and why did I tell you? And that is
27:05
Speaker 1: sort of what convinces Sarah, Okay, I'll be friends with
27:08
Speaker 1: these girls because they warned me and I wanted to
27:11
Speaker 1: learn anyways, which seems like a very teenage girl move.
27:15
Speaker 1: And then you know, now I have a reason to
27:17
Speaker 1: trust them. And so that was I was like, that's
27:19
Speaker 1: a you know, pretty solid friendship bonding moment, and I
27:23
Speaker 1: liked that. It was like one of My favorite parts
27:25
Speaker 1: of them coming together Light as a feather stuff is
27:26
Speaker 1: a board scene. Amazing, I'm so good. I'm obsessed that
27:29
Speaker 1: scene because it's it's like, it's the best and you
27:32
Speaker 1: and they started doing like the like mid to late
27:35
Speaker 1: nineties almost pretty matrix e kind of technology where you
27:39
Speaker 1: see the three sixties shot like we just want to
27:44
Speaker 1: prove that, you know, there's not some weird things. She's
27:47
Speaker 1: laying on a green block, but I like it looks
27:50
Speaker 1: so real, it's exciting. It's man, Yeah, that was cool.
27:55
Speaker 1: I left that scene. Yeah. So then where skeets are
27:58
Speaker 1: Lands is that he gets spell cast on him, he
28:01
Speaker 1: falls in love with her and starts stalking her. Then
28:04
Speaker 1: this rise to rape Sarah. But that but by then
28:08
Speaker 1: it's the second half of the movie where where it
28:11
Speaker 1: seems like all the harmless slash very little harm done
28:17
Speaker 1: they do in the first half that's fun to watch
28:20
Speaker 1: suddenly comes back on them threefold in the second half,
28:23
Speaker 1: and I feel like punishes female characters unnecessarily everything post
28:26
Speaker 1: the invoking in summoning of Yeah, that's when things take
28:31
Speaker 1: a turn. So then he tries to rape her, she
28:33
Speaker 1: runs away, and then Nancy's like, we're going to get
28:36
Speaker 1: revenge on this guy. So she goes and and like
28:40
Speaker 1: puts a lot of unwanted sexual contact on him and
28:44
Speaker 1: then turns into s and has sex name and that
28:49
Speaker 1: could probably be considered rape, Like did they have sex sex? Though?
28:53
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like it's like they were to
28:56
Speaker 1: write and that. But that's another like selling out of
28:58
Speaker 1: a character they just didn't like. That didn't make sense
29:01
Speaker 1: to me other than once Nancy had momented power, like
29:06
Speaker 1: she just wanted to use it to cause chaos, to
29:09
Speaker 1: hurt anybody, like and well, I mean, I don't know
29:13
Speaker 1: because at first, when she said I'm going to go
29:14
Speaker 1: get revenge on him, I was like, all right, this
29:16
Speaker 1: seems like something this character would do because she's piste
29:19
Speaker 1: off and wants to take care of it, probably in
29:22
Speaker 1: a chaotic way, but then ends up having totally selfish motives.
29:28
Speaker 1: That's like, I don't I don't really believe that. The
29:31
Speaker 1: scene ends with him getting magic to death out of
29:34
Speaker 1: a window, like pushed by magic out of a window.
29:37
Speaker 1: But he died. I think he died. Does he did die? Okay?
29:41
Speaker 1: I was when I couldn't remember, could just start there,
29:44
Speaker 1: just kill him? I mean honestly that his death scene didn't.
29:49
Speaker 1: The sex scene that precedes it is very problematic and
29:53
Speaker 1: confusing and just like, oh, what are the ethics of this?
29:57
Speaker 1: But his death scene I really liked. That's the problem
30:01
Speaker 1: is that she like quite literally asked for it, you
30:03
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like our a big issue was
30:05
Speaker 1: talking about rape culture as well, she was asking for it,
30:07
Speaker 1: like she quite literally, Yeah, she like literally asked for
30:11
Speaker 1: him to fall head over heels in love with her,
30:13
Speaker 1: not to rape her. Obviously, No, no, what I'm saying.
30:16
Speaker 1: And that's that's why it's And that spell was so
30:20
Speaker 1: fun at first two or it's just like he was
30:22
Speaker 1: just like I want to carry your books. Why can't
30:24
Speaker 1: I stop thinking about you? I'm stupid. I'm stupid. I'm stupid.
30:27
Speaker 1: And it's like, great, this checks out, he's stupid. Backfires, Yeah,
30:32
Speaker 1: and then the whole threefold thing comes in and just
30:36
Speaker 1: every repercussion of the threefold thing I just just didn't
30:40
Speaker 1: work for me at all. Like there's no world in
30:43
Speaker 1: which because Sarah cast a goofy spell in an already
30:48
Speaker 1: misguided attempt to make an asshole like her, there's no
30:52
Speaker 1: way that she deserved that come up and of being
30:56
Speaker 1: a sat no. And Rochelle's arc of at the end
31:01
Speaker 1: when you know she's doing a bad thing and she's
31:04
Speaker 1: kind of mindlessly following Nancy for reasons that I didn't understand.
31:08
Speaker 1: She and Bonnie look in the mirror and Bonnie has scars,
31:11
Speaker 1: and then and then Rachelle's somehow going bald because she
31:15
Speaker 1: retaliated against a racist, which is like, no, she that
31:18
Speaker 1: was allowed. That was allowed. I just I don't know
31:21
Speaker 1: every racist should go bald, like the should fly out
31:26
Speaker 1: of a wind get thrown out of the window. Man.
31:28
Speaker 1: I really did like Skeet's death scene. It was what
31:32
Speaker 1: did you say? She said, You're sorry, She's like shaking,
31:36
Speaker 1: and then he just like you know, explodes. But I
31:38
Speaker 1: agree with Caitlin that it like totally negates the validity
31:42
Speaker 1: of it all by then raping him before doing that.
31:46
Speaker 1: It's such a bummer that his whole arc plays out,
31:49
Speaker 1: didn't say way, especially because it starts out with him
31:51
Speaker 1: asking for consent to kiss her like don't like don't
31:55
Speaker 1: and that's shy is under a spell. Yeah, So if
31:59
Speaker 1: you're going to set up that type of behavior, then
32:02
Speaker 1: don't make that character actually end up being a gross
32:06
Speaker 1: because that's like the major that we should so many
32:11
Speaker 1: characters in this movie a troubled but possibly not irredeemable character,
32:20
Speaker 1: and then at the end they're just totally like nope.
32:23
Speaker 1: And I remember like rewatching this movie when I was
32:26
Speaker 1: becoming more feminism aware, you know, and thinking to myself, like,
32:30
Speaker 1: I kept hoping because I think I kind of forgot
32:33
Speaker 1: plat points, and I kept hoping that she would like
32:36
Speaker 1: be wanting him to follow so how to reveals in
32:39
Speaker 1: love with her, to like then teach him a proper left,
32:41
Speaker 1: like a good lesson. But then it just really was
32:44
Speaker 1: because she just wanted him to like her, and I
32:46
Speaker 1: was like, damn it. And almost immediately once he starts
32:49
Speaker 1: to like her, she's over it. She's just like, oh, well, well,
32:52
Speaker 1: it goes back to my point of like two of
32:55
Speaker 1: the like desires of the girls are like I want
32:58
Speaker 1: to be hotter and I want a boy to like me.
33:00
Speaker 1: And it's like, you, I guess you could argue, that's sure,
33:02
Speaker 1: that's what they're they're teenagers, that's what teenagers. But I
33:06
Speaker 1: would counter argue that we're socialized to think that that's
33:10
Speaker 1: all teenage girls are capable of or should care about
33:13
Speaker 1: or do care about, which one of them wishes that
33:16
Speaker 1: racism would no longer exist, and that's good really, like
33:23
Speaker 1: Rochelle kills it in the wish department. Everyone else does
33:26
Speaker 1: kind of also like kind of feels bad about it too,
33:29
Speaker 1: which is sad, like she should just be like, yeah,
33:32
Speaker 1: suck you, you're bald to deal with it, you know.
33:34
Speaker 1: But I think that that's interesting too, which again is
33:37
Speaker 1: why it's such a bummer in the end when she's
33:40
Speaker 1: just like a crazy bitch too, yeah, I mean, and
33:43
Speaker 1: and really like, yeah, selling out developed female character to
33:47
Speaker 1: be a crazy bitch is just such a move. Also
33:52
Speaker 1: a small character for Sarah Um she's sort of Disney
33:56
Speaker 1: princessed a little bit by no mom. She has mom,
34:00
Speaker 1: and there's sort of this the specter of her mom
34:03
Speaker 1: is sort of being you know the whole time. I
34:08
Speaker 1: totally about that, but only because of you, because of
34:11
Speaker 1: what you bring up always on back Toel cast I
34:13
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, we're changing lives, we're here, we're
34:17
Speaker 1: hero But but that occurred and then I don't know,
34:23
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't dissatisfied with how that was brought
34:26
Speaker 1: back at the end with the name of the witch
34:30
Speaker 1: at the Witch Store is Lerio, which is a Spanish
34:33
Speaker 1: word for lily um. But at the end when Sarah
34:37
Speaker 1: almost sort of seeks out Lerio as like a maternal
34:41
Speaker 1: figure of like, here's a woman who knows something I
34:43
Speaker 1: don't and I need help and I'm scared. Mom, it
34:47
Speaker 1: goes goes to Leria and Lerio is you know, it
34:50
Speaker 1: adds in and she really is kind of like the
34:54
Speaker 1: witch ex Makina at the correct moment in the movie, right, Oh,
34:58
Speaker 1: she has all the information and turns old Sarah will
35:00
Speaker 1: be fine no matter what, and you know, and then
35:02
Speaker 1: we get to see that weird climactic scene but she
35:05
Speaker 1: says like whatever, she's like and your mother was a witch?
35:08
Speaker 1: Did you know that? And Sara was like no, and
35:11
Speaker 1: she said, well she was. You're like, well that's great,
35:16
Speaker 1: don't she know she's the witch at she does everything?
35:21
Speaker 1: She does it all? Yeah, that was that was a
35:23
Speaker 1: weird what did she do? That was helpful in that scene?
35:25
Speaker 1: Genuine question because doesn't it just end with like the
35:28
Speaker 1: shop blowing up and then that's it. But then it
35:30
Speaker 1: doesn't like it because because it looks like it's exploding
35:36
Speaker 1: and us like it's it's Nancy. So she runs away
35:40
Speaker 1: because she's still being tormented by Nancy. Yeah, I mean
35:44
Speaker 1: that character the Witch Story lady doesn't really do anything
35:47
Speaker 1: except maybe give her the confidence later on to realize, hey,
35:51
Speaker 1: I can invoke. It was nice to see a maternal
35:57
Speaker 1: moment for Sarah. Maybe that was like supposed to just
36:00
Speaker 1: be like, oh, she gives her a strength or something.
36:03
Speaker 1: Oh I did like that. Sarah repeatedly tries to not
36:09
Speaker 1: kill Nancy, which after a certain amount of misdeeds, would
36:13
Speaker 1: have been legit, you know, And I think a lot
36:17
Speaker 1: of movies would have just made that easier move, but
36:19
Speaker 1: is repeatedly trying to make counter spells to be like
36:22
Speaker 1: I don't want Nancy to hurt anyone else, and I
36:24
Speaker 1: don't want her to hurt herself. So you're just like, well,
36:27
Speaker 1: that's a good look it out. And also I don't
36:29
Speaker 1: know if I would have had that sort of frustraint,
36:31
Speaker 1: I'd be like, get rid of her. Why is she
36:33
Speaker 1: so mean now? But she just why It makes no
36:36
Speaker 1: sense to me that, like, if that's her character, she
36:39
Speaker 1: wants goodwill to what everyone, and like she's looking out
36:42
Speaker 1: for people, why then does she choose to make this
36:46
Speaker 1: boy like her as her like mainly story. Maybe she
36:52
Speaker 1: learned from that and learned even that choice though, Like
36:55
Speaker 1: it's why if he had wronged her, why didn't she
36:59
Speaker 1: cast a spell to make his dick tiny fall off
37:02
Speaker 1: or stop working or something, yeah, like or just a
37:04
Speaker 1: counter about yeah something something. But yeah, it was just
37:08
Speaker 1: a weird choice that if this had been written and
37:11
Speaker 1: directed by women, I feel like I was also very
37:17
Speaker 1: sad when all the sharks washed up on the Yeah,
37:19
Speaker 1: what a weird I forgot about that. That was like,
37:23
Speaker 1: you're making me feel bad for sharks. I like, that's head.
37:29
Speaker 1: There's just a million of them, and she's like their gifts, Like,
37:32
Speaker 1: what fucked up? Nancy? That's that's pretty much exactly where
37:36
Speaker 1: the movie lost me, because from that scene on, it's
37:39
Speaker 1: just like, well, I hope you enjoyed the first part,
37:42
Speaker 1: no sense, Like when they because they do the sands right,
37:45
Speaker 1: and like all the glass things explode and all the
37:48
Speaker 1: animals go out and whatever, and then Nev Campbell is
37:51
Speaker 1: like sitting on the rock watching Rochelle's character is taking
37:55
Speaker 1: a beautiful nap, and then Nancy is walking across the
37:58
Speaker 1: water and it's like what happened happened. Oh, here's another.
38:06
Speaker 1: Because there's not a lot of male characters in this movie,
38:08
Speaker 1: which amazing, most of them end up dead by the end,
38:13
Speaker 1: and the remaining ones the one character. I don't know why,
38:16
Speaker 1: I was like harping on this in my head. I'm like, man,
38:18
Speaker 1: it's crazy that that character wasn't a perfect the gym teacher,
38:22
Speaker 1: the swim coach. Oh yeah, where there is the moment
38:25
Speaker 1: where like he definitely like when Laura Lily or what
38:29
Speaker 1: is her name, Laura, Laura, which is which is the
38:35
Speaker 1: popular girl when she like, you know, when she takes
38:39
Speaker 1: off her cap and her hair is falling out, and
38:42
Speaker 1: then he like it's literally like he's like, oh, she's
38:44
Speaker 1: not hot anymore, so I won't pay attention to her.
38:46
Speaker 1: Let me look over here. And then he sees her
38:48
Speaker 1: do like the perfect dive, and it's it's like, now
38:51
Speaker 1: he pays attention to the girl, the only girl of
38:54
Speaker 1: color in the whole fucking field. I guess I didn't
38:56
Speaker 1: see it that way because he scolded Laura once before
38:58
Speaker 1: where Laura was making fun. But I don't think you
39:02
Speaker 1: did enough in my opinion. Well, he's also a character
39:05
Speaker 1: who's on screen for like eleven seconds in the whole movie.
39:07
Speaker 1: I think I was. I was lightly impressed by him.
39:11
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean between um, Nancy's gross stepdad who
39:15
Speaker 1: has a heart attack and dies, Skeet who dies, and
39:19
Speaker 1: the snake man at the beginning it was run over
39:21
Speaker 1: by a car. Yeah, it's like half the men because
39:23
Speaker 1: the other The only other male characters with speaking roles
39:25
Speaker 1: in the movie are Chris's friends. Who is that tiny friend?
39:30
Speaker 1: He's okay, I was like, I know who that guy is,
39:32
Speaker 1: who's that tiny? In Clueless? He plays Murphy's uh, And
39:40
Speaker 1: then I don't even know the other dude. One of
39:42
Speaker 1: them is Mint and one of them is Trey. I
39:44
Speaker 1: think I don't even know which ones which they are,
39:47
Speaker 1: which is great, Yeah, right, exactly, like I don't know
39:51
Speaker 1: what these characters are the same, the represent the same too. Yeah. Yeah.
39:55
Speaker 1: He plays Bernie Murphy's love interest in Clueless. Yea, So
40:00
Speaker 1: I would argue that of the both male and female
40:04
Speaker 1: characters in this movie, of the women who aren't portrayed
40:08
Speaker 1: all that well, neither any of the men. Like all
40:10
Speaker 1: the men except for like Sarah's dad, who hardly has
40:14
Speaker 1: screen time and it's kind of awesome. He is such
40:16
Speaker 1: a good dad. And then when she there's like a
40:19
Speaker 1: scene where she's like laying a boundary. She's like, don't
40:21
Speaker 1: touch me, go away, and he's like, okay, yeah he does, like,
40:25
Speaker 1: oh man, that definitely happened. And when my dad at
40:28
Speaker 1: some point he just like sunk off. Yeah, he was like, well,
40:30
Speaker 1: the teenage girls are confusing. And then when he's like
40:33
Speaker 1: dropping because you know, clearly we established that, they look
40:36
Speaker 1: at her wrists and they're like, oh, you cut it
40:37
Speaker 1: the right way, So we clearly established that, like probably
40:40
Speaker 1: part of why they left San Francisco is because she
40:43
Speaker 1: tried to commit suicide. Decidit right. And then when he's
40:46
Speaker 1: dropping her off at school, he's like, you know, you
40:48
Speaker 1: don't have to go right away, like we can, you know,
40:51
Speaker 1: settle in. You can take some time off. And that's
40:53
Speaker 1: another positive part of their friendship I thought, is that
40:56
Speaker 1: she's not shamed or pushed to be asked questions about that,
41:01
Speaker 1: where Nancy's just like punk rock right, and then like, okay,
41:04
Speaker 1: we accept you. You're a friend. And I was like, man, cool, okay, cool,
41:08
Speaker 1: but I don't know that. Man. Another fun moment in
41:11
Speaker 1: the half of the movie that I liked Yeah. Does
41:14
Speaker 1: anyone have any final thoughts about the movie? Just that
41:16
Speaker 1: this was written and directed by white guys obviously in
41:22
Speaker 1: case you couldn't have assumed that off the fact that
41:24
Speaker 1: it's a movie that was released. Yeah, I mean, I
41:27
Speaker 1: think it's just exciting that it. They don't really talk
41:31
Speaker 1: about boys that they like, really true, there are none
41:35
Speaker 1: to like. Yeah, and so I think that that's an
41:38
Speaker 1: exciting part of it. But yeah, I think it's just
41:41
Speaker 1: a bummer that it. But they're redoing it, right, aren't they.
41:45
Speaker 1: I heard that that they're what they're thinking about redoing it,
41:48
Speaker 1: which I'm like, let's cast Susie Dennis Sarah and let's
41:53
Speaker 1: have it be written by a woman interacted by a woman.
41:55
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Craft reboot is right, actually a sequel.
42:01
Speaker 1: Oh that's well, that's cool. Or just stop rebooting things
42:05
Speaker 1: and write another movie about witchy teenagers. It's true, speaking
42:10
Speaker 1: of characters talking to each other about things, this movie
42:13
Speaker 1: definitely does pass the backdel test. It basically passes immediately.
42:19
Speaker 1: I mean they're not talking to each other, but they're
42:21
Speaker 1: like doing a seance and it's three Yeah. Yeah, I mean,
42:26
Speaker 1: like I mean this in terms of passing the test.
42:28
Speaker 1: A million times as that's it's almost like the opposite
42:32
Speaker 1: of the test. Like the boys are the characters that
42:34
Speaker 1: are like obsessed with the girls and are like only
42:37
Speaker 1: ever talking about girls, and men rarely talk to each other.
42:41
Speaker 1: There's only a few scenes where there's like two men
42:43
Speaker 1: talking to and they're talking about usually about how they
42:48
Speaker 1: super love a girl or how do they super think
42:50
Speaker 1: she fucking sucks blah blah. But they're all punished, so
42:55
Speaker 1: that's important. Yeah, I mean most of the time they're
42:58
Speaker 1: talking about spells in magic and like all they like
43:04
Speaker 1: what their inner conflex with each other are. Like, this
43:07
Speaker 1: movie very much goes along with the theme of the
43:09
Speaker 1: more a movie he passes the Bechdel test, the more
43:12
Speaker 1: it tends to be financially successful. Budget of this movie
43:14
Speaker 1: fifteen million, box office fifty six million. All right, so
43:18
Speaker 1: there you go. Maybe right, a female even if you
43:20
Speaker 1: kind of sunk up the second half, still right, right,
43:23
Speaker 1: female characters. Yeah, let's write the movie on our nipple scale,
43:28
Speaker 1: um zero to five nipples based on its portrayal of
43:30
Speaker 1: women who this is This is a tricky one. This
43:34
Speaker 1: is tricky because it's doing a lot of things right.
43:37
Speaker 1: It's a female centered movie about female friendships. At least
43:41
Speaker 1: they're friends for the first part of it until that
43:44
Speaker 1: all goes to ship. But well, it is very upsetting
43:47
Speaker 1: to me that the male character who asks permission to
43:51
Speaker 1: kiss a girl, because at least half of the movies
43:53
Speaker 1: we talk about there's a surprise kiss and yeah, and
43:58
Speaker 1: it's like whoa or like yeah. So I was like, oh,
44:04
Speaker 1: he's going to be because I couldn't remember much about
44:06
Speaker 1: this movie. So when I was rewatching it, I was like, Wow,
44:08
Speaker 1: he is he a good guy? Are we supposed to
44:10
Speaker 1: like him? I like him right now? And then every
44:13
Speaker 1: story beat after that it's like, oh no, he's a
44:16
Speaker 1: nightmare person. So yeah, there's the female friendships, and for
44:20
Speaker 1: the most part at the beginning, they're uplifting each other
44:23
Speaker 1: and they're supporting each other. And the movie isn't specifically,
44:27
Speaker 1: there's not about the goal. Isn't there trying to win
44:29
Speaker 1: over a man's love or anything like that. They're basically
44:32
Speaker 1: just trying to get better at witchcraft and the women
44:35
Speaker 1: in magic. Women in Magic, although it is like, okay,
44:39
Speaker 1: is a man to keep using the heat pronoun So
44:43
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, why couldn't it be like a goddess,
44:46
Speaker 1: especially because they're basically describing Mother Nature. I'm like, why
44:49
Speaker 1: is he? Especially when they have Sarah then say Mother Earth?
44:55
Speaker 1: Like why wouldn't if they're putting that pinnacle thing and
44:57
Speaker 1: they have her say that last? You know? So I
45:01
Speaker 1: think it had a lot of potential, but the movie,
45:06
Speaker 1: especially by the end, whenever all the girls have basically
45:10
Speaker 1: turned on each other and it's not, you know, this
45:14
Speaker 1: feminist masterpiece that we're all hoping for anymore. I'm gonna
45:17
Speaker 1: give it, I guess like two and a half snipples.
45:21
Speaker 1: I almost said stars, but ye I know, but stars
45:26
Speaker 1: are five pointed things, which is like a very witchy thing.
45:31
Speaker 1: The pentagram? Is that what it's called? I think? So
45:34
Speaker 1: let me can sell my crystals and oh my gosh,
45:36
Speaker 1: I brought my crystals still my neckpack. Well wait, I
45:42
Speaker 1: have to see them. Okay, okay, right now, let me
45:47
Speaker 1: see smr rattle them. Oh my god, wait where did
45:52
Speaker 1: you guys go to get these? Intuition? Yeah, I work
45:57
Speaker 1: that's over here. Fun. Yeah, So I am going to
46:01
Speaker 1: give it. I'll give it three. Maybe i'd give it
46:04
Speaker 1: to that half. It's a bummer because all the characters
46:07
Speaker 1: have so much agency there, with the exception of I
46:10
Speaker 1: wish we had seen Rochelle's home life. I think it's
46:12
Speaker 1: really bizarre that the only person to come are in
46:14
Speaker 1: the whole movie doesn't have a home life. So dumb.
46:16
Speaker 1: But I mean, even excluding that, we're given a background
46:20
Speaker 1: for all these female characters and then they turn out
46:24
Speaker 1: to be crazy. They turn out to be what, Like,
46:27
Speaker 1: there's just the second half of this movie. It was
46:28
Speaker 1: a big disappointment. But in the first half of the
46:31
Speaker 1: movie we see so much more of fully developed female
46:37
Speaker 1: character than when we would see in almost any other movie,
46:40
Speaker 1: So it's hard. Nancy is kind of one of the
46:43
Speaker 1: bigger bummers for me because it's just like she's the
46:45
Speaker 1: child of an alcoholic and then ends up in a
46:47
Speaker 1: mental asylum. Like that is not a good message. It's
46:53
Speaker 1: bad we don't find out what happens to her mom
46:55
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, it was I really enjoyed the first
46:58
Speaker 1: half of this movie. If you have and to fall
47:00
Speaker 1: asleep in the middle, don't rewind it, like you probably
47:04
Speaker 1: saw the fun part. I'll give it two and a
47:06
Speaker 1: half nipples. I'll give one to Rochelle, I'll give one
47:11
Speaker 1: and Nancy, and then I'll give half a nippy to
47:18
Speaker 1: the gym teacher who didn't bother me. Well, yeah, I
47:22
Speaker 1: didn't give my nipples away. Um, there aren't any cats
47:24
Speaker 1: in this movie, so I don't know which is weird.
47:28
Speaker 1: There's a million given to those discorpions, nipples, spiders, Spiders
47:36
Speaker 1: have eight legs. This has been spider facts with Caitlin,
47:39
Speaker 1: just like how cats have eight nipples. I wish this
47:44
Speaker 1: movie was about four witches who like people wronged them
47:48
Speaker 1: in like that they were racist toward them or that
47:51
Speaker 1: they were like assaulting them and they're like, I'm going
47:53
Speaker 1: to get revenge and then they get revenge and then
47:56
Speaker 1: the world's a better place. That's what this movie should
47:58
Speaker 1: be about. I don't know why, all right it alrite
48:00
Speaker 1: that movie anyway? Would you like to write the movie? Yeah?
48:03
Speaker 1: I mean I think you guys are spot on with
48:04
Speaker 1: two and a half. Like I think that there are
48:06
Speaker 1: so many things that it it did well and then
48:09
Speaker 1: it like all of a sudden just like flipped and
48:11
Speaker 1: did it bad like and then you know again like
48:13
Speaker 1: this stuff with Rochelle, Like, yeah, I think that it
48:16
Speaker 1: was really strong and cool show that black girls do
48:18
Speaker 1: deal with white girls being racist to them in high school.
48:21
Speaker 1: But then they don't show her home life, and they
48:25
Speaker 1: like only make her like the two D character of
48:27
Speaker 1: the four other girls that they kind of make three.
48:30
Speaker 1: I feel like she has lines, yeah, I think, and
48:34
Speaker 1: they don't have anybody else of color to like back
48:36
Speaker 1: her up, and then they like give the girl a
48:38
Speaker 1: family to give more than a front door exactly. Yeah,
48:43
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think two and a half nipples is
48:45
Speaker 1: a good rating. Who gets your nips? Oh man? Okay,
48:47
Speaker 1: well yeah, definitely. I think Rochelle gets one of them
48:50
Speaker 1: for sure. I think the like store owner definitely gets one,
48:55
Speaker 1: which x Mankina. And then also I think that probably
49:02
Speaker 1: Sarah's stepmom could get that happ nipple because I mean
49:05
Speaker 1: she's not really in the movie, but she like clearly
49:08
Speaker 1: is very supportive of them and like she uprooted her
49:12
Speaker 1: life because of what happened with Sarah and she gets
49:15
Speaker 1: on that eight minute flight. I feel like it's like
49:17
Speaker 1: a good, healthy family relationship, yea, even though I mean
49:22
Speaker 1: there's a lot of speculating. Yeah, yeah, it's but you know,
49:26
Speaker 1: that's what you have to do with most movies to
49:28
Speaker 1: fill in the blanks. So I wonder what this female
49:30
Speaker 1: character must be like, well, a positively depiction of the stepmom.
49:33
Speaker 1: It's pretty yeah, yeah, because I feel like there's so
49:36
Speaker 1: many like times in real life and in in movies
49:40
Speaker 1: and stories where like, yeah, the step mom is like
49:42
Speaker 1: horrible and like wouldn't even let the dad like have
49:44
Speaker 1: that relationship with that supports the Disney Trump a little bit.
49:47
Speaker 1: That's nice. Yeah. Well, Susie, thanks so much for being here, guys,
49:53
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Where can people follow you online? Well,
49:57
Speaker 1: you guys can check out Act Like a Girl. As
49:59
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50:05
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