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Sharri | 24 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Thanks, James.
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Speaker 2: Good evening. Tonight, Penny Wong has spent tens of thousands
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Speaker 2: of taxpayer dollars taking a separate flight to the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister to travel to the US. Our exclusive in a moment.
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Speaker 2: The Anglican and Catholic Archbishops are demanding the University of
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Speaker 2: Sydney Vice-Chancellor Mark Scott stop a Globalise the Intifada student group.
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Speaker 2: Bishop Tony Percy would join me live. And Kelly Sloan
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Speaker 2: will be here in studio to give her view on
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Speaker 2: whether the Prime Minister deserves his Global Citizen Award. That's
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Speaker 2: all coming up and more. But first, let's start with
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Speaker 2: this story. Penny Wong has spent tens of thousands of
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Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars taking a separate flight to the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: to travel to the US. The Foreign Minister flew Qantas
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Speaker 2: business class on Sunday morning. You can see her picture there.
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Speaker 2: surrounded by her entourage. Current airfares have a return business
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Speaker 2: class flight on Qantas costing between $ 10, 000 and $ 20, 000. A
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Speaker 2: spokesman for the Foreign Minister said she had three ministerial
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Speaker 2: staff travelling with her for the United Nations General Assembly week.
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Speaker 2: This would put the cost... An estimated $ 80, 000, perhaps more,
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Speaker 2: perhaps even $ 100, 000 in flights alone. Albanese departed on Friday
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Speaker 2: for the US on a government plane. Now, Wong's office
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Speaker 2: say she travelled on a commercial aircraft because she had
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Speaker 2: a separate program to the Prime Minister. Now, there's no
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Speaker 2: suggestion any rules were breached. It's simply the cost to
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Speaker 2: taxpayers that's the issue. Annika Wells faced criticism and came
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Speaker 2: under political pressure when her trip to the US in
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Speaker 2: September last year cost almost $ 100, 000. And here's some of
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Speaker 2: the backlash when the cost of her trip emerged in December.
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Speaker 3: Annika Wells has consistently exercised very poor judgment and not
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Speaker 3: upheld those reasonable community expectations. So, yes, I think her
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Speaker 3: position is in a questionable state right now.
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Speaker 2: She has rorted her travel entitlements... Yet nine months later,
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Speaker 2: it seems Wong may have repeated her error of judgment.
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Speaker 2: And what has the $ 80, 000 or so in flights delivered
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Speaker 2: for Australia? Well, I'd say not much for our country,
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Speaker 2: but Penny Wong has been delivering for her core constituency
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Speaker 2: of Gaza. In a speech, Wong lectured the international community
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Speaker 2: about action for Palestinians.
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Speaker 4: And since October 23, we have committed more than $ 160
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Speaker 4: million in humanitarian assistance to support Palestinians in Gaza and
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Speaker 4: Lebanon through partners like UNICEF. And we continue to direct
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Speaker 4: much-needed aid to women and children in the West Bank.
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Speaker 4: But as others have reminded us again and again, aid
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Speaker 4: that cannot get through cannot save lives. So we again
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Speaker 4: call on Israel to do what is right. and to
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Speaker 4: allow safe, unhindered aid access to Gaza at scale.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is just utter nonsense. Israel isn't impeding
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Speaker 2: aid access. In fact, Israel has been treating injured Palestinians
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Speaker 2: in their own hospitals and supplying Gaza with hundreds of
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Speaker 2: thousands of tonnes of aid. But, of course, Wong prefers
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Speaker 2: the talking points of activists. And what about that figure
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Speaker 2: she mentioned, the $ 160 million, $ 160 million since October 2023
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Speaker 2: to an area controlled by terrorists? And as far as
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Speaker 2: I'm aware, not a cent to the Jewish nation. In
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Speaker 2: response to our questions about her travel, Wong's spokesman said,
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Speaker 2: what happens at the United Nations General Assembly matters to Australians.
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Speaker 2: Decisions and discussions there affect our security, our economy and
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Speaker 2: our prosperity. That's why Australia has an interest in being
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Speaker 2: at the table, shaping outcomes and making sure our voice
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Speaker 2: is heard. That was in response to our questions about
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Speaker 2: whether she should have flown business class with her staff
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Speaker 2: instead of going on the same flight as the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: But the issue isn't whether she should have attended the
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Speaker 2: UN General Assembly, although I can't see that her contribution
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Speaker 2: has been meaningful or worthwhile, but the issue is whether
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Speaker 2: she should have gone on the same flight as the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. This is, yet again, Albanese government ministers showing
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Speaker 2: a lack of respect for for taxpayer funds. And in total,
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Speaker 2: this whole woke talk fest would be costing Australian taxpayers
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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of dollars in government expenses. And also,
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Speaker 2: Albanese can boost his ego on the world stage and
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Speaker 2: receive an award as he did today.
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Speaker 5: I accept it with humility on behalf of Australia. because
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Speaker 5: it is the honour of my life to serve Australians.
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Speaker 2: I mean, when you think about what people are going
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Speaker 2: through in this country, it is sickening to see him
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Speaker 2: receive this award. Australia is in a dire state. Families
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Speaker 2: are suffering. Facing more rate rises next week, government spending
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Speaker 2: is keeping inflation higher than target and the property market
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Speaker 2: is facing a major shock. all while terrorism is at
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Speaker 2: its highest level in decades. ASIO Director-General Mike Burgess would
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Speaker 2: raise it higher if he could, if the definition of
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Speaker 2: the categories allowed it. But never mind that Australians are
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Speaker 2: facing a probable terror attack, never mind that the economy
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Speaker 2: is deteriorating and families are struggling, as long as Albanese
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Speaker 2: gets his award, she'll be right. Well, speaking of the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister at the UN, Albanese has let the cat
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Speaker 2: out of the bag. His new digital duty of care
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Speaker 2: laws are really about censorship and stopping what he considers
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Speaker 2: to be misinformation. Here's Albanese at the UN making this admission.
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Speaker 5: It's an inevitable next stage because whilst today we're concentrating.
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Speaker 6: On the impact on children.
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Speaker 5: The truth is this is having an impact on our
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Speaker 5: entire society and how it functions with misinformation, disinformation, with
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Speaker 5: the increased polarisation that we're seeing as well in the
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Speaker 5: political system where people are moving away from the centre
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Speaker 5: and more and more to the extremes, be they of
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Speaker 5: the left or the right. And that is why we
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Speaker 5: think that this is a very positive.
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Speaker 2: Move Well, today he tried to deny that he'd even
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Speaker 2: said that. I mean, you can see it with your
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Speaker 2: own eyes. It's a truly astonishing statement. Albanese admitting the
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Speaker 2: next stage of their laws are about dealing with the
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Speaker 2: increasing polarisation in the political system. He wants to stop,
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Speaker 2: as you heard, he wants to stop people moving to
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Speaker 2: what he calls the extremes of the right or left.
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Speaker 2: And you know who I think he'd consider the extreme right?
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson and One Nation, of course. And there is
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Speaker 2: a risk he'd use these laws to censor his political opponents,
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Speaker 2: all in the name of what he may claim is
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Speaker 2: minimising harm. Things like debates about migration. This is truly dangerous.
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Speaker 2: Albanese thinks his worldview is the right one. He's got
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Speaker 2: no self-awareness. He doesn't realise that he's far from a
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Speaker 2: mainstream centrist political figure in the vein of other Labor
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Speaker 2: politicians like Chris Minns and Peter Malinowskis. Albanese's policies represent
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Speaker 2: a radical left view of the world. And as you
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Speaker 2: heard from the Prime Minister himself, he plans on using
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Speaker 2: legislation to censor content that he considers misinformation or disinformation. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is something that other government ministers like Annika Wells
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Speaker 2: had been trying to deny.
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Speaker 6: So just to be clear, you won't return to.
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Speaker 1: That's right... to mis- and disinformation?
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Speaker 2: For children.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: You won't return to trying to stop mis- and disinformation online?
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Speaker 3: I view that policy question that is before all of
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Speaker 3: us as something entirely separate to the digital duty of care.
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Speaker 6: Will you return, though, to trying to tackle that separate
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Speaker 6: issue of mis- and disinformation?
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Speaker 3: At the moment, I am highly focused on introducing the
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Speaker 3: digital duty of care to the parliament.
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Speaker 2: American journalist Michael Schellenberger warned that this is what was
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Speaker 2: really underlying Albanese's legislation when he came on this show
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Speaker 2: last week. There is ministerial discretion in this legislation to
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Speaker 2: determine what is considered harmful content. So it's up to
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Speaker 2: the minister ultimately to decide. How worrying is this?
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Speaker 8: I mean, this is an incredibly sweeping, comprehensive bill. It
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Speaker 8: basically allows them to censor anything they don't like. The
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Speaker 8: specific language in one part is they can censor anything that, quote,
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Speaker 8: may cause serious harm, unquote. That could be psychological harm.
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Speaker 8: That could be calling a biological male a male rather
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Speaker 8: than a trans woman. That could include saying that we
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Speaker 8: don't want Mass migration or we're worried about terrorism from migration,
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Speaker 8: all very legitimate concerns. Those could all be construed as
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Speaker 8: hate speech by people that are very ideological, which we
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Speaker 8: know the Labour Party. the Green Party are.
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Speaker 2: And the legislation does specify that it's up to the
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Speaker 2: minister to determine what's considered harmful. That's why it's so dangerous.
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Speaker 2: It gives the Albanese government immense power to arbitrarily decide
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Speaker 2: what is misinformation, what should be censored from the internet.
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Speaker 2: And they were trying to hide their true agenda. But
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Speaker 2: over at the United Nations, Albanese just couldn't help himself.
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Speaker 2: And to discuss this and more, joining me now in
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Speaker 2: studio is the New South Wales opposition leader, Kelly Sloan. Kelly,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much.
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Speaker 9: For being here.
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Speaker 2: Look, I just want to get your reaction to what
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Speaker 2: I spoke about just there, the Prime Minister receiving this
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Speaker 2: Global Citizen Award when there are so many problems facing
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Speaker 2: our nation.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think people watching that are saying, we don't
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Speaker 3: want a global citizen, we want a strong, good Australian
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister. And, look, I think people would love to
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Speaker 3: celebrate their Prime Minister. They'd love to be proud of
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Speaker 3: our Prime Minister on the national stage. If he was
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Speaker 3: blitzing it at home, but quite the reverse is happening.
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Speaker 3: Families are going backwards. Living standards are declining. We've had
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Speaker 3: three interest rates with maybe another on the way next week.
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Speaker 9: Houses are not being delivered. There's great social.
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Speaker 3: So in those circumstances, to see him sitting in the
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Speaker 3: UN and seeing him in New York picking up a
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Speaker 3: trophy that he can put in his cabinet in his
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Speaker 3: holiday house when he leaves Parliament, I think it makes
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Speaker 3: people feel aggrieved.
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Speaker 2: And one thing that's really shaken up Sydney is, of course,
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Speaker 2: the property market, you know, all but crashing. I mean,
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Speaker 2: crunching for sure.
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Speaker 10: It is.
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Speaker 2: Because of the tax changes.
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Speaker 3: And because of the great uncertainty that he and his
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Speaker 3: Labor government have created.
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Speaker 9: And then we are seeing the, you know, renters.
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Speaker 3: Are getting squeezed out of homes, investors not wanting to
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Speaker 3: invest anymore. In New South Wales, we're 40% behind our
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Speaker 3: housing accord targets. We are bringing people into the country
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Speaker 3: at a rate we can't house them anymore.
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Speaker 9: And this is on Albanese.
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Speaker 2: Crime has also been a big issue in this state. Now,
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Speaker 2: you've announced an entire new policy because what we've seen
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Speaker 2: in the past few weeks is a spate of shootings
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Speaker 2: where the wrong person, we're told, was targeted. It seems
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Speaker 2: out of control. You know, this used to be the
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Speaker 2: underbelly and now it just seems out of control.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is entirely out of control on Sydney streets,
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Speaker 3: even if our police minister in New South Wales refuses
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Speaker 3: to admit that. 52 gangland shootings in Sydney this year alone.
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Speaker 3: Innocent people getting caught up in the crossfire. Innocent people dying.
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Speaker 3: A 23-year-old student in his bed. A grandfather kidnapped and murdered.
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Speaker 3: This is not the Sydney we know in. This is
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Speaker 3: no longer crim versus crim. This is innocent people getting
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Speaker 3: caught up. We believe we have to do something and
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Speaker 3: the Nats and the Liberals will always be much stronger
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Speaker 3: on crime. So we've announced a comprehensive plan package to
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Speaker 3: keep our streets safer. And it includes things like adult crime,
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Speaker 3: adult time. We're going to have some tough love if
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Speaker 3: we're in government next year and make sure that repeat
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Speaker 3: offenders don't get away with it. There'll be mandatory sentences
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Speaker 3: for people that carry guns on our streets in order
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Speaker 3: to commit crimes. We're going to boost funding for the cops,
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Speaker 3: crack down on the crims.
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Speaker 2: And we're serious about.
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Speaker 3: This because people in Sydney are scared, quite frankly. And
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Speaker 3: I understand why that's happening.
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Speaker 2: We've spoken about the issue of the gun buyback scheme
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Speaker 2: before and how it disproportionately punishes farmers and recreational shooters
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Speaker 2: rather than dealing with the actual problem of Islamic extremism. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: But you've now come out and said that you'd reverse
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Speaker 2: it if you won government.
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Speaker 9: We would freeze the gun buyback.
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Speaker 3: There is a reason that Chris Minns is the only
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Speaker 3: state premier in the country to sign up to Albo's
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Speaker 3: half-baked gun buyback, and that is because it doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 3: The feedback from stakeholders, from farmers, primary producers, sporting shooters,
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Speaker 3: is why are they having to pay the price for
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Speaker 3: radical Islamic extremism in Bondi? And while ever we are
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Speaker 3: looking that direction and not looking at the terrorists and
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Speaker 3: the underworld figures, we're in trouble because the coconut cartel
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Speaker 3: is not going to walk into a cop shop and
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Speaker 3: hand over their guns, right? Terrorists are not going to
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Speaker 3: go in and hand over illegal weapons. So we would
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Speaker 3: be investing instead in the one thing that could fix
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Speaker 3: this and red flag another terrorist event, and that is
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Speaker 3: the gun registry, making sure that anyone who's red flagged
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Speaker 3: by ASIO does not get a gun and doesn't get
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Speaker 3: out on our streets. So we'll be squarely focused on
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Speaker 3: supporting the cops to do their job well.
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Speaker 2: We also need more information sharing between the agencies as well. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Because in my view, the attack was probably preventable had
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Speaker 2: all the information been in the one place, but as
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Speaker 2: it happened, the alleged attackers went undetected.
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Speaker 3: And so we need to be squarely focused on that.
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Speaker 3: And while ever we are trying to orchestrate a huge
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Speaker 3: gun buyback and take farmers' tools of the trade away
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Speaker 3: from them, country cops are going to be diverted away
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Speaker 3: from policing, looking after domestic violence, keeping their communities safe.
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Speaker 3: And we just need to focus on what matters.
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Speaker 2: The election's about, is it six months away?
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Speaker 9: About six months away.
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Speaker 2: And the polls at the moment, Labor and One Nation,
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Speaker 2: and One Nation have only just got a New South
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Speaker 2: Wales leader recently.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Labor and One Nation are tied on about 29%. Your
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Speaker 2: coalition is behind on 18%. Are you worried about this?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, of course I'm alert to it.
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Speaker 3: I'm not alarmed. I'm alert but not alarmed. And it
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Speaker 3: depends which poll you get. The poll before that, we're ahead.
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Speaker 9: So this is an.
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Speaker 3: Uncharted territory at the moment. And people are telling us
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Speaker 3: they're frustrated. But if they want a serious government, an
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Speaker 3: alternate to Labor, voting for the Liberals or the Nationals
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Speaker 3: is going to be the only way to guarantee that.
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Speaker 3: If One Nation votes do erode some of our Liberal primary,
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Speaker 3: unfortunately you are just going to entrench a really bad
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Speaker 3: Labor government. And if New South Wales, you know, if
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Speaker 3: the Liberals and the Nationals lose more seats in New South.
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Speaker 9: Wales, it's a minority means government at the moment.
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Speaker 2: We're very close.
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Speaker 3: But if it goes backwards, we are going to have
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Speaker 3: a left wing Labor government in this state. It's going
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Speaker 3: to be more like Dan Andrews and more like Albo.
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Speaker 9: And we don't want that.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, and I'm going to go into this story
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Speaker 2: in more detail with Bishop Tony Percy shortly. But I
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Speaker 2: broke the story a couple of days ago that the
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Speaker 2: University of Sydney Vice-Chancellor Mark Scott was not doing anything
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Speaker 2: to stop a student group running under the banner Globalise
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Speaker 2: the Intifada. Now, Kelly, I've been told by Jewish figures
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Speaker 2: that when a senior Jewish figure rang you about this
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Speaker 2: on Sunday, that you immediately picked up the phone to
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Speaker 2: Mark Scott. Yeah, I did.
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Speaker 9: I was really upset about it.
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Speaker 3: This isn't just students protesting and shouting a phrase that
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Speaker 3: we find vile and horrific. This is institutionalising the term,
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Speaker 3: a term that our Premier, by the way, said he
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Speaker 3: wanted to ban.
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Speaker 9: And I want to know what he's doing about this.
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Speaker 3: What pressure is he applying on the university other than
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Speaker 3: just a phone call?
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Speaker 9: Because This is sanctioned activity on university grounds.
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Speaker 3: And I do not buy the excuse that the SRC,
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Speaker 3: the student rep council who's holding these elections, are a
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Speaker 3: separate body. The university should be stripping them of their funding.
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Speaker 3: It is unacceptable. Stripping them of funding. Strip the SRC
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Speaker 3: of their funding. And if the universities don't get tough
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Speaker 3: and make their campuses safe, then the state government should
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Speaker 3: also strip money from the universities.
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Speaker 9: That is how serious it is. It is a red line.
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Speaker 9: And do you think the.
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Speaker 2: Way Mark Scott has handled this has been good enough?
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Speaker 3: I don't think it is. Look, I have a lot
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Speaker 3: of respect for Mark Scott. He picked it to his credit.
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Speaker 3: He picked up the phone and had a long conversation
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Speaker 3: with me on Sunday. But they need to be tougher.
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Speaker 3: It is not OK simply to say that because the
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Speaker 3: term isn't banned in New South Wales, that it's legal,
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Speaker 3: that it's OK on campus.
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Speaker 9: No, it is not.
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Speaker 3: They have a responsibility and a duty of care. And
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Speaker 3: when this is a political party naming, forget the laws.
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Speaker 3: What about your morals and ethics? What about keeping your
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Speaker 3: students safe? You know, it's unacceptable. And you would have
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Speaker 3: thought these universities would have learnt their lessons after the
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Speaker 3: encampments and the great damage that did to their reputations.
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Speaker 2: And the Royal Commission and everything. Kelly, thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: And thank you for your strength as well. Thanks, Shari.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's return to the United Nations. And as
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Speaker 2: the U.S. vows to either make a deal or annihilate Iran,
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Speaker 2: its president, Massoud Pazeshikan, has vowed to never surrender.
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Speaker 5: He must know that the resistance of the Iranian people
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Speaker 5: will only increase in the face of sanctions, increased pressure,
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Speaker 5: increased bullying.
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Speaker 7: We will never bow our head or bend at the knee.
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Speaker 2: The American delegate walked out shortly after the speech began.
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Speaker 2: And for more, let's bring in Now News 24 defence
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Speaker 2: analyst Peter Jennings. Peter, good to see you again. Look,
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Speaker 2: Massoud laid out the conditions for negotiations, but warned they'll
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Speaker 2: be fruitless, you know, if a threat of force is made.
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Speaker 2: But the point is Iran has never come to the table.
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Speaker 2: It's refused all the deals. So why would it suddenly
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Speaker 2: accept one now?
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Speaker 6: I think it's extremely unlikely to accept a deal, Shari.
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Speaker 6: Although it's interesting to note that Trump's negotiators, Steve Witkoff
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Speaker 6: and Jared Kushner, spoke with the Iranian delegation in New
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Speaker 6: York for about three hours. I understand that happened today.
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Speaker 6: So the Americans are still trying. But I think what
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Speaker 6: we're going to see for a good period of time
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Speaker 6: into the future, well into 2027, is a continuation of
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Speaker 6: the stalemate. And the American hope will be that Sanctions
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Speaker 6: that they're enforcing on denying Iran the ability to export
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Speaker 6: oil is going to bring the country to its knees economically.
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Speaker 6: It is having that effect, but it's not really going
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Speaker 6: to change, I think, the position of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards,
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Speaker 6: which are the people really in power. They'd rather be
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Speaker 6: in charge of a poverty struck country than being out
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Speaker 6: of power. So we're going to see a stalemate, I think,
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Speaker 6: for months to come, and that will have consequential effects
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Speaker 6: on oil exports and the global economy.
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Speaker 2: The Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is set to address
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Speaker 2: the UN General Assembly. I mean, Peter, you look at it,
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Speaker 2: the United Nations is broken, it's discredited, the entire show
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Speaker 2: has been ganging up on Israel. Yes.
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Speaker 6: And it's sort of become a kind of a comedy
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Speaker 6: routine at the moment. And I saw Netanyahu released some
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Speaker 6: social media with sort of parrots squawking about it's all
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Speaker 6: Israel's fault in place of the UN delegates. It's just
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Speaker 6: got ridiculous. And it's really way beyond time that Israel's
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Speaker 6: True friends, which is the old democracy, should stand up
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Speaker 6: for it and say enough's enough. We've just had this,
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Speaker 6: you know, silliness of attacking Israel. We sit through and
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Speaker 6: listen to a speech from the Iranian leader when the
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Speaker 6: Iranian regime was responsible for killing something like 40,000 civilians
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Speaker 6: in Tehran in January. And no one complains about that, Shari.
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Speaker 6: The Israeli situation is crazy.
21:36
Speaker 2: No, it really is. The UK Telegraph is reporting that
21:40
Speaker 2: China is rapidly expanding its nuclear weapons program across seven
21:44
Speaker 2: major sites. I mean, this is quite unbelievable. Satellite imagery
21:47
Speaker 2: showing villages and farms have been flattened to make way
21:51
Speaker 2: for facilities, while entire new towns have been built to
21:55
Speaker 2: support these nuclear operations. Peter, what's going on here and
22:00
Speaker 2: why isn't this bigger news?
22:04
Speaker 6: I can't explain why it's not big in news, because
22:06
Speaker 6: it's something that military folk have been watching very closely
22:10
Speaker 6: for many years. You know, for most of the last decade,
22:13
Speaker 6: China's nuclear arsenal was limited to about 400 weapons. It's
22:18
Speaker 6: now planned to grow to about 1500 weapons by the
22:22
Speaker 6: end of the decade. And if you recall back, Shari,
22:25
Speaker 6: to the missile test from a Chinese submarine that was
22:29
Speaker 6: fired from the South China Sea, and we were all
22:31
Speaker 6: highly alarmed about that a few months ago. This is
22:35
Speaker 6: all part of a significant project on the part of
22:39
Speaker 6: Xi Jinping to grow China's nuclear capability, to spread it
22:44
Speaker 6: throughout the country to make sure that it can't be
22:47
Speaker 6: preempted or attacked easily in one fell swoop. And then
22:52
Speaker 6: from that, I think for China to become you know,
22:55
Speaker 6: more and more threatening, making more use of brinksmanship to
23:00
Speaker 6: try and, you know, dominate its neighbours and other countries
23:04
Speaker 6: such as Australia in the Indo-Pacific region. So we should
23:08
Speaker 6: be watching it much more closely. than we are. And
23:12
Speaker 6: I thought, by the way, that was an excellent report
23:14
Speaker 6: from the British Telegraph, very detailed, lots of interesting satellite photographs.
23:19
Speaker 6: They did a great job.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they did indeed. Just finally, I want to ask
23:23
Speaker 2: you about the fact that China has reportedly got their
23:26
Speaker 2: hands on parts of an Australian F-35 stealth fighter jet
23:30
Speaker 2: that was somehow diverted to Hong Kong on its way
23:33
Speaker 2: to the US. What has happened here and is it
23:36
Speaker 2: a worry that they've got hold of our... military technology?
23:42
Speaker 6: So China's number one intelligence target is to find out
23:46
Speaker 6: about American military technology. And what I read today, I
23:51
Speaker 6: found absolutely chilling because amongst the items which they have
23:55
Speaker 6: found is the effectively the bomb bay doors of one
23:59
Speaker 6: of our F-35 aircraft, which has a special stealth coating
24:03
Speaker 6: on the doors. This would be an immensely high Chinese
24:06
Speaker 6: intelligence priority. And Richard Miles has said, well, apparently there
24:11
Speaker 6: was nothing of significance that was in this fight. I
24:14
Speaker 6: can tell you that's not right. So Miles is either
24:17
Speaker 6: not telling the truth about it or he is being
24:19
Speaker 6: badly briefed by the Defence Department.
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Speaker 2: Wow. You've got other information. And another point I make
24:23
Speaker 2: about it.
24:24
Speaker 6: Is to say, well, based on what we have now
24:28
Speaker 6: been told has been taken by the Chinese... This will
24:34
Speaker 6: be in all likelihood a violation of America's export control
24:38
Speaker 6: rules for military technology because it is American military technology.
24:43
Speaker 6: And so the Americans will take that very seriously. And
24:47
Speaker 6: I do know that as a former senior defence official,
24:49
Speaker 6: that America will be asking very tough questions about how
24:52
Speaker 6: did these things get into the hands of the Chinese?
24:55
Speaker 6: It's not because the parcel was misaddressed. This has been,
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Speaker 6: I think, an intelligence operation. It reflects technology that the
25:05
Speaker 6: Chinese are particularly interested to find from the West because
25:09
Speaker 6: they're not that good at stealth technology themselves. This is
25:12
Speaker 6: very serious and Miles has got, needs to make a
25:15
Speaker 6: better explanation of what it is that's actually happened here.
25:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed. Peter Jennings, thank you so much for your
25:21
Speaker 2: analysis as always. Now, the Anglican Archbishop and the Catholic
25:27
Speaker 2: Archbishop have both demanded that the University of Sydney Vice-Chancellor
25:31
Speaker 2: Mark Scott take action to stop a student group running
25:35
Speaker 2: under the banner of Globalise the Intifada. The Anglican Archbishop
25:39
Speaker 2: said it's distressing that Jewish students and academics have again
25:42
Speaker 2: been confronted with blatant anti-Semitism on a campus. Here's the statement.
25:47
Speaker 2: I stand with Jewish leaders and the Premier and others
25:51
Speaker 2: in calling for posters or any kind of material using
25:55
Speaker 2: the phrase globalised intifada to be removed from the University
25:58
Speaker 2: of Sydney campus. And the Catholic Archbishop, Anthony Fisher, and
26:03
Speaker 2: Bishop Tony Percy, who's standing by to join me, specifically
26:08
Speaker 2: put pressure on the UCEDD leadership in their statement. They
26:12
Speaker 2: referred to Vice-Chancellor Mark Scott's opening statement to a commission
26:16
Speaker 2: of inquiry into anti-Semitism at Australian universities when he said this.
26:22
Speaker 2: This is what Mark Scott said. The testimonials are heartbreaking
26:26
Speaker 2: and unacceptable and for that I'm sorry. No one should
26:30
Speaker 2: feel at risk, unsafe or unwelcome at any place of
26:33
Speaker 2: learning and no one should feel the need to hide
26:34
Speaker 2: their identity or stay away from classrooms or campuses. So
26:39
Speaker 2: that was Mark Scott. How do you reconcile those words
26:43
Speaker 2: with what's unfolding on campus now, where Mark Scott has
26:47
Speaker 2: allowed a student group to run for council elections under
26:51
Speaker 2: the banner Globalise the Intifada? It's irreconcilable. which is what
26:57
Speaker 2: Bishop Tony Percy, on behalf of the Archbishop, points out.
27:01
Speaker 2: He says the massacre at Bondi less than a year
27:04
Speaker 2: ago should have seen a greater commitment by the University
27:07
Speaker 2: of Sydney to the safety and security of its students
27:10
Speaker 2: rather than a repeat of previous inaction. Having a student
27:14
Speaker 2: group seek election under an ideology of globalised intifada creates
27:19
Speaker 2: the very feelings of risk, unsafety and unwelcome for which
27:22
Speaker 2: Professor Scott apologised just two years ago. A huge personal
27:28
Speaker 2: thank you to our Anglican and Catholic leaders for coming
27:32
Speaker 2: out and demanding action of Mark Scott and the university.
27:36
Speaker 2: And I'm pleased to say, as I said, Tony Percy
27:38
Speaker 2: standing by to join me just a moment. But I
27:41
Speaker 2: want to tell you what one Jewish academic says first.
27:44
Speaker 2: A Jewish academic says that they've been told if they're
27:47
Speaker 2: uncomfortable with the situation, they are authorised to work from home.
27:51
Speaker 2: The academic says we can see this as a stunning
27:55
Speaker 2: defeat that will empower further Jew hatred on campus. And
27:59
Speaker 2: it's hard to disagree with that. Globalise the Intifada has
28:03
Speaker 2: nothing to do with Israel or even Palestinian rights. It
28:07
Speaker 2: is a call to extend violence against Jews in Australia
28:11
Speaker 2: and around the world. It seems the university leadership has
28:14
Speaker 2: learned little over the past few years. And joining me
28:23
Speaker 2: live now is Bishop Tony Percy, who's just landed in Melbourne.
28:27
Speaker 2: Great to see you, Tony. And firstly, thank you. A
28:31
Speaker 2: genuine thank you to both you and Archbishop Fisher for
28:35
Speaker 2: speaking up about this.
28:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's a pleasure to speak up.
28:40
Speaker 11: I mean, Shari, the first time I met you was
28:42
Speaker 11: with Solomon Liu, and that was after the launch of
28:46
Speaker 11: Tony Abbott's wonderful book on Australia, which, by the way,
28:49
Speaker 11: is recognised by centre-left and centre-right people as a wonderful
28:53
Speaker 11: history and a great help to the confusion that's currently reigning.
28:57
Speaker 1: And then I made a.
28:57
Speaker 11: Dart for both of you because that was after October 7, 2023,
29:00
Speaker 11: before Bondi. And I expressed my real sympathy about what
29:05
Speaker 11: was happening in the country then.
29:07
Speaker 1: And then, of course, we've had Bondi now.
29:10
Speaker 11: And so you would have think that the responses from
29:12
Speaker 11: the vice-chancellor of the Sydney University, Australia's oldest university, would
29:17
Speaker 11: have been a little bit better than what we've got.
29:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's such a good point. I mean,
29:24
Speaker 2: do you think the University of Sydney is letting down
29:26
Speaker 2: Jewish students by allowing a group to run under this
29:31
Speaker 2: clearly a violent race?
29:34
Speaker 1: Oh, undoubtedly, I think.
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Speaker 11: And again, I mean, I think, you know, you ought
29:37
Speaker 11: to receive the sympathy through myself. and other people here
29:41
Speaker 11: to the entire Jewish community. But the question then becomes, okay,
29:45
Speaker 11: if you can attack one group, namely Jewish people, without
29:49
Speaker 11: any real rationale.
29:51
Speaker 1: Then who's next? Is it going to be Buddhists? Is
29:53
Speaker 1: it going to be Hindus?
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Speaker 11: I mean, we've created a free and fair country in
29:57
Speaker 11: Australia and it's been a magnificent enterprise. We've created a
30:00
Speaker 11: fantastic society, but it's falling apart increasingly because we're not
30:04
Speaker 11: recognising that violence can never be tolerated and the incitement
30:08
Speaker 11: to violence cannot be tolerated.
30:11
Speaker 1: In a free and fair society.
30:13
Speaker 11: And this violence and then this incitement to violence against
30:17
Speaker 11: Jewish people is a threat to Jewish people, obviously, but
30:20
Speaker 11: it's a threat to every other Australian if you stop
30:22
Speaker 11: and think about it.
30:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. You point out in your statement, excellent statement,
30:28
Speaker 2: by the way, that Vice-Chancellor Mark Scott had apologised previously.
30:32
Speaker 11: So.
30:33
Speaker 2: Do you think he's failed to learn the lessons?
30:37
Speaker 11: Well, you have to talk the talk and you've got
30:39
Speaker 11: to walk the walk. So Mark Scott has done the
30:42
Speaker 11: first but not the second.
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Speaker 2: So you're urging him now to.
30:48
Speaker 1: Oh, most definitely. I think so, yeah.
30:50
Speaker 11: And not only myself, Shari, but also the Prime Minister
30:54
Speaker 11: has been very vocal about this, the Premier of New
30:56
Speaker 11: South Wales, Chris Minns, and then the Liberal leader, Kelly Sloan.
31:04
Speaker 11: And now the Anglicans have got onto the show. And
31:07
Speaker 11: Archbishop Fisher, of course, who has a Jewish background, who
31:09
Speaker 11: spoke magnificently at the gathering in front of St Mary's
31:12
Speaker 11: Cathedral just after the Bondi incident. He's been very, very
31:17
Speaker 11: strong on this whole incitement to violence which has been
31:20
Speaker 11: so prevalent in Hyde Park every weekend.
31:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, maybe when he's back from overseas we can
31:25
Speaker 2: get him on the program as well.
31:26
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure he'd be delighted, yeah.
31:29
Speaker 2: Well, Bishop, thank you very much enormously for your time
31:33
Speaker 2: and your leadership and safe travels. All right, still to come,
31:38
Speaker 2: the big name set to arrive in Australia for this
31:40
Speaker 2: year's CPAC conference and the New York Times is being
31:43
Speaker 2: sued by its own shareholders. I'll tell you why shortly.
31:52
Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in. Well, remember when RBA Governor Michelle
31:55
Speaker 2: Bullock said this about unemployment earlier in the week? I think,
32:00
Speaker 2: you know, between four and a half and five will
32:02
Speaker 2: probably take enough heat out of the labour market that
32:06
Speaker 2: it'll ease pressure on inflation. Well, the new data today
32:11
Speaker 2: shows the unemployment rate rose to 4.6%, the highest number
32:15
Speaker 2: since 2021. And joining me now is real estate expert
32:18
Speaker 2: Tom Panos for his analysis. So good to see you again, Tom.
32:21
Speaker 12: Thanks for having me, Shari.
32:22
Speaker 1: So what do you think?
32:23
Speaker 2: Is this going to be enough to stop a rate
32:25
Speaker 2: rise next week? No.
32:27
Speaker 12: I think we're going to have a rate rise regardless
32:29
Speaker 12: of that. That's not a very big increase in the unemployment.
32:32
Speaker 12: I think it was 4.5% to 4.6%. Having said that,
32:35
Speaker 12: it's now back to the highest level since 2021.
32:37
Speaker 6: Mm.
32:39
Speaker 12: And if you look deep into those numbers, Shari, you'll
32:42
Speaker 12: see the part-time jobs went up. And that's because what's
32:46
Speaker 12: happening is even companies and businesses now are getting nervous
32:49
Speaker 12: about full-time staff so they're prepared to put part-time on.
32:53
Speaker 12: And for a lot of people, they don't understand the
32:55
Speaker 12: relationship between inflation and unemployment. The higher the unemployment, it
33:01
Speaker 12: means that employees don't have the bargaining power, right? which
33:07
Speaker 12: means that it can help inflation come down because wages
33:11
Speaker 12: form part of inflation. But the thing that worries me
33:14
Speaker 12: is we're all having a go at not spending. The
33:17
Speaker 12: government should actually stop spending as well because that is
33:20
Speaker 12: a contributor to inflation as well.
33:22
Speaker 2: And, you know, David Koch came out this week and
33:24
Speaker 2: he says the RBA needs to be more upfront about that,
33:27
Speaker 2: that the RBA governor should be telling Australians that it's
33:29
Speaker 2: government spending that's pushing up inflation that's causing them pain.
33:33
Speaker 12: Look, She does a decent job, but I think she
33:36
Speaker 12: needs to show more leadership and to actually sort of say,
33:39
Speaker 12: I think it was.
33:42
Speaker 12: A Liberal MP, Simon... Kennedy. Kennedy. He actually said he
33:47
Speaker 12: was shocked that they had not done modelling. It's not
33:49
Speaker 12: too hard to do. If the government spent less money,
33:52
Speaker 12: would that take inflation down? And I think that our
33:56
Speaker 12: Reserve Bank governor should also be a little bit... I mean,
34:00
Speaker 12: I know that she's appointed by the government, she is independent,
34:03
Speaker 12: she should be turning around and saying, hey, this is
34:06
Speaker 12: the impact of your spending to inflation.
34:09
Speaker 7: Yeah.
34:09
Speaker 2: Turning to the housing crisis, we've seen that property giant
34:14
Speaker 2: Mervac's head of development, Stuart Penclas, has warned that Australia's
34:18
Speaker 2: new housing supply is going to fall off a cliff
34:22
Speaker 2: in the next six months. Do you agree with that analysis? Yes.
34:24
Speaker 12: So I do a lot of training and coaching to
34:27
Speaker 12: people building companies. And I can tell you, there was
34:32
Speaker 12: one I was with last week, and they're really concerned.
34:35
Speaker 12: And we should all be concerned as a country because
34:37
Speaker 12: new home sales form part of the new build target
34:41
Speaker 12: that we have in Australia to help with all the
34:44
Speaker 12: migrants that are coming in. And that's very concerning. So
34:49
Speaker 12: it's not just them saying it. I talk to a
34:51
Speaker 12: lot of builders around the country, and they're saying... are
34:55
Speaker 12: far less people coming into their sites, looking at their,
34:58
Speaker 12: you know, sites on the weekends. So that is a
35:01
Speaker 12: very big concern. New home bills are a very big concern,
35:04
Speaker 12: bigger than existing properties.
35:07
Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned migration, and this is part of
35:09
Speaker 2: the reason why migration is suddenly such a big political issue.
35:13
Speaker 2: Part of that is linked to housing supply.
35:17
Speaker 10: Correct.
35:17
Speaker 12: So, I mean, I'm a son of migrants, right? So
35:21
Speaker 12: I think migration is.
35:23
Speaker 2: Likewise.
35:24
Speaker 3: Yes.
35:24
Speaker 12: So we know the contribution migrants have done to Australia
35:29
Speaker 12: over the last few decades. The issue is that if
35:31
Speaker 12: you're going to bring migrants in... You can't just let
35:35
Speaker 12: them sit outside on the road on Holt Street or
35:37
Speaker 12: sitting in some laundry. You need to provide housing. And
35:41
Speaker 12: we're not doing that right now. And as you can
35:44
Speaker 12: see from those figures, that we're not going to meet
35:48
Speaker 12: those targets. So that is a concern. There should be
35:51
Speaker 12: a better correlation with migrants and providing accommodation for their
35:55
Speaker 12: sake as well as everyone else's.
35:56
Speaker 7: Yeah.
35:57
Speaker 2: I mean, I've mentioned this a couple of times tonight, but,
35:59
Speaker 2: you know, we talk often, Tom, about how badly the
36:03
Speaker 2: economy is going, the housing market, how families are struggling,
36:06
Speaker 2: and then just to see the Prime Minister getting an
36:08
Speaker 2: award in New York and being all happy with himself,
36:11
Speaker 2: patting himself on the back.
36:13
Speaker 12: Look, he would have been, look, at the moment, he's
36:15
Speaker 12: probably not the most favourite person in the country and
36:17
Speaker 12: he would have been over the moon to be able
36:19
Speaker 12: to just get on a plane and get out of
36:20
Speaker 12: here into a place. And then that's the last thing
36:24
Speaker 12: he would have expected in front of all these other
36:27
Speaker 12: international colleagues of those being told by that very brave journalist.
36:33
Speaker 2: Latika Burke.
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Speaker 12: Yes, I must say, she's ex-ABC, isn't she?
36:37
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. She's ex-Sydney Morning Herald.
36:39
Speaker 12: Ex-Sydney Morning Herald. It was something that he wouldn't have
36:43
Speaker 12: been unexpected. But having said that, Shari, she did ask
36:45
Speaker 12: genuine questions.
36:46
Speaker 2: It was a good question, but I heard, I don't
36:49
Speaker 2: know if I should say this, Nivi, I heard the
36:50
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's office wouldn't give her a copy of his
36:54
Speaker 2: speech because he was so angry about the question. That's
36:57
Speaker 2: what I heard.
36:57
Speaker 6: Really?
36:57
Speaker 10: Right.
36:58
Speaker 12: Well, it's one of the few times he answered a
37:00
Speaker 12: question cleanly. He answered it clearly and he probably answered
37:02
Speaker 12: it honestly.
37:03
Speaker 2: He said no. He just said no. Exactly. All right,
37:06
Speaker 2: Tom Panner, so great to see you. Thank you.
37:07
Speaker 13: Thank you so much, Shari.
37:09
Speaker 2: All right, still to come, artificial intelligence hacks into Medicare,
37:12
Speaker 2: what it means for you, plus Albanese laps it up
37:15
Speaker 2: in New York. As we've been talking about, my panel
37:18
Speaker 2: is after the break. Welcome back. The Albanese government is
37:24
Speaker 2: scrambling to explain why it is only now revealing that
37:28
Speaker 2: Medicare was hacked by an AI firm, OpenAI, back in June.
37:33
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is panicking, launching a task force to
37:36
Speaker 2: examine how on earth the agent managed to infiltrate a
37:39
Speaker 2: supposedly secure government website. Let's bring in our panel tonight,
37:44
Speaker 2: founder of CPAC Australia, Andrew Cooper, and former New South
37:47
Speaker 2: Wales Police Minister David Elliott. Welcome, gentlemen. Andrew, to you first. Now,
37:52
Speaker 2: the timeline, you know, OpenAI was far too slow to
37:55
Speaker 2: tell the government, but then the government was not up
37:58
Speaker 2: front with the Australian people. They waited as well.
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Speaker 10: It's a weird scenario when it seems to surprise the
38:04
Speaker 10: Prime Minister that someone tried to hack systems. I mean,
38:07
Speaker 10: hackers have been around since we invented computers. There's new systems,
38:12
Speaker 10: there's going to be new types of hacks. And rather
38:14
Speaker 10: than standing up and blaming... the tools that the hackers used,
38:18
Speaker 10: let's get a Prime Minister that stands up and actually says,
38:21
Speaker 10: this is not good enough. We're going to improve our systems.
38:24
Speaker 10: We're going to protect your data and your privacy. That's
38:26
Speaker 10: what I want to see from the Prime Minister. None
38:28
Speaker 10: of that nonsense he pulled off recently.
38:30
Speaker 2: I mean, everything's digitised now. I was worried about filling
38:34
Speaker 2: in the census, I have to say. I was worried
38:35
Speaker 2: about an AI hack in the future. But, you know,
38:38
Speaker 2: it seems we're already there. And who knows what other
38:41
Speaker 2: government sites will be vulnerable moving forward?
38:43
Speaker 13: Well, all of them are vulnerable.
38:45
Speaker 14: I mean, I'm a director of a company that bought
38:48
Speaker 14: some property today and I had to hand over my
38:50
Speaker 14: passport and my driver's licence.
38:51
Speaker 13: To the real estate agent.
38:53
Speaker 14: I said, why am I giving it to the real
38:54
Speaker 14: estate agent?
38:55
Speaker 13: But it's all part of the money laundering and.
39:00
Speaker 14: Mitigation of risk of people purchasing properties that live overseas
39:03
Speaker 14: or are not Australian citizens. So when you collect this
39:07
Speaker 14: amount of data, there is always going to be a
39:09
Speaker 14: risk that somebody is going to use it against you.
39:11
Speaker 13: And, I mean, my life's an open book, so is yours.
39:14
Speaker 2: I was going to say your address is probably online
39:16
Speaker 2: somewhere anyway.
39:17
Speaker 14: But we've got to be very, very conscious of the
39:19
Speaker 14: fact that it can be manipulated.
39:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed. And I think there is still a transparency
39:24
Speaker 2: issue that Albanese didn't tell the Australian public about this straightaway.
39:29
Speaker 2: All right, I want to move on to the other
39:31
Speaker 2: side of politics. Now, Barnaby Joyce has revealed what it
39:34
Speaker 2: would take for One Nation to back Angus Taylor as
39:38
Speaker 2: Prime Minister. He says in the event of a hung parliament. Now,
39:41
Speaker 2: among the demands by One Nation are pro-mining policies, new dams,
39:46
Speaker 2: scrapping the climate change department, et cetera, slashing immigration. And, Andrew,
39:52
Speaker 2: he says the deal would cut both ways. I mean,
39:55
Speaker 2: it seems like it's Barnaby having these conversations in a
39:58
Speaker 2: one-way direction and the Liberals don't want to engage.
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Speaker 10: Look, I think what Barnaby's proposed, the Liberals will probably
40:05
Speaker 10: want to do anyway. So it's a pretty easy deal
40:08
Speaker 10: that Barnaby's put on the table. take the Prime Minister,
40:11
Speaker 10: do most of the things that we want to do anyway.
40:12
Speaker 6: So I think that's fine.
40:13
Speaker 10: I think the issue is that, you know, we expect
40:18
Speaker 10: the parties to cooperate right now.
40:20
Speaker 9: That's unrealistic.
40:21
Speaker 10: The parties are competing. But what we want to see
40:24
Speaker 10: is some conversations about what happens post-election. Barnaby's opened the conversation.
40:28
Speaker 10: I would expect Angus and certainly Matt Canavan to continue
40:33
Speaker 10: those conversations. I'm very hopeful and glad to see that this,
40:38
Speaker 10: you know... the can of worms that this can be
40:40
Speaker 10: is finally sort of put on the table and hopefully
40:43
Speaker 10: we can, it'll be sorted out over the next 18 months.
40:45
Speaker 2: I mean, it works for One Nation to have these conversations,
40:48
Speaker 2: but it doesn't work for the Liberals.
40:50
Speaker 14: Well, it doesn't because there's still a large proportion, not
40:53
Speaker 14: a majority, but a large portion of Liberals who are
40:55
Speaker 14: quite moderate and will not want to see these things.
40:58
Speaker 14: So this will be a very, very difficult pill for
41:00
Speaker 14: them to swallow, to see them talking about, you know,
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Speaker 14: the reverse of net zero and the construction of dams
41:07
Speaker 14: and But they are all things that conservative Liberals are
41:11
Speaker 14: going to be cheering on.
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Speaker 2: I actually didn't even mean the specifics of the policies.
41:14
Speaker 2: I mean, starting to have public conversations about forming an alliance.
41:18
Speaker 2: I mean, from One Nation's perspective, it's a good thing,
41:21
Speaker 2: but from the Liberals, they don't want to give voters
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Speaker 2: the green light to.
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Speaker 13: Be jumping ship.
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Speaker 14: And once again, and I won't be voting for One Nation,
41:27
Speaker 14: I'll be voting Liberal, but once again, Barnaby and Pauline
41:29
Speaker 14: Hanson have snookered us. They've snookered us. They have played
41:34
Speaker 14: us off the break by highlighting the fact that it
41:36
Speaker 14: is in our best interest to talk to them, not
41:40
Speaker 14: in their best interest for us to start to initiate
41:44
Speaker 14: the conversation. So they're ahead of the ball now and
41:49
Speaker 14: that worries me because people will be saying, well, you know,
41:53
Speaker 14: if the polls are saying Barnaby's going to get the vote,
41:55
Speaker 14: that Pauline's going to get the vote, and they're just
41:59
Speaker 14: going to be implementing policies that the Liberal Party are
42:01
Speaker 14: going to be forced to agree, I might as well
42:03
Speaker 14: vote for One Nation. And this is what happens when
42:05
Speaker 14: there's three-cornered contests against the National Party.
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Speaker 13: For the Liberal Party quite regularly. It has for the
42:10
Speaker 13: last 50 years.
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Speaker 14: And I'm very, very concerned that they're going to take
42:14
Speaker 14: a lot of the wind out of the sail of
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Speaker 14: the Liberals and Nationals by just highlighting the fact that,
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Speaker 14: you know, we're going to be a.
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Speaker 13: Much more conservative version of the Coalition.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: As you said, Andrew, they are competing. And the reality
42:29
Speaker 2: is that some very high profile senior liberals and national
42:32
Speaker 2: figures could lose their seats to One Nation candidates.
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Speaker 10: Look, to me, I liken it to business, right? There's
42:38
Speaker 10: a process of creative destruction going on at the moment
42:42
Speaker 10: that we had a We had a business that didn't
42:45
Speaker 10: listen to its customers, a party that didn't listen to
42:47
Speaker 10: its voters for many, many years. And there's an emerging,
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Speaker 10: another party that's now competing for those voters. For me,
42:54
Speaker 10: as a voter, I'm excited by this, right? I'm thinking, OK, finally,
42:58
Speaker 10: something is going to emerge out of this. It's going
42:59
Speaker 10: to be a viable core conservative values organisation. It may
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Speaker 10: be all three involved.
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Speaker 6: It may not be.
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Speaker 10: My mind is that is that this is an exciting
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Speaker 10: time for conservatives. And I think you can see that
43:13
Speaker 10: now that there are viable choices on the right-hand side
43:16
Speaker 10: of politics, the left vote is diminishing. And now with
43:19
Speaker 10: 27 points, I mean, I can't see how Labor can win.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, when you put the primaries together, it is
43:24
Speaker 2: around 50%.
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Speaker 10: Well, I doubt the pollsters know how to distribute those preferences.
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Speaker 2: No, I agree. They don't know. Now, you founded CPAC Australia.
43:33
Speaker 2: which is a conservative conference. You've got it coming up
43:36
Speaker 2: in October, I believe. Yep, October. Can you tell us
43:39
Speaker 2: some of the big names you've got coming to Australia?
43:42
Speaker 10: Well, we've got Liz Truss coming over for our third trip.
43:46
Speaker 2: Former British Prime Minister.
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Speaker 6: Former British Prime Minister, the Right Honourable Elizabeth Truss.
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Speaker 10: And so she's arriving. We have other visitors, of course,
43:53
Speaker 10: from different parts of the world. She's probably the biggest name,
43:57
Speaker 10: but she'll be joining Angus Taylor, Pauline Hanson and Matt
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Speaker 10: Canavan on the stage.
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Speaker 2: Together.
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Speaker 10: They'll all be together, one after the other. That's going
44:06
Speaker 10: to be fireworks. That's going to be an interesting start
44:08
Speaker 10: to the conference, Shari.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: David, just before you go, I want to get your
44:12
Speaker 2: view on whether values seem to be changing because we
44:16
Speaker 2: see that in Victoria... The Melbourne City Council, which has
44:20
Speaker 2: not voted to recognise Australia Day for four years, since 2022,
44:25
Speaker 2: they now are. First time in four years.
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Speaker 14: Well, to Andrew's point, if you've ever wanted to be
44:30
Speaker 14: excited about being a conservative, this is the time to
44:33
Speaker 14: do it. I mean, this is a classic example of
44:35
Speaker 14: panic stations within the left. They see that so many
44:40
Speaker 14: of the working class conservatives now want values and They
44:44
Speaker 14: want patriotism. They want to see the type of establishments
44:49
Speaker 14: that our institutions promoted for so many years when Australia
44:52
Speaker 14: was a great, prosperous country, and Australia is one of them.
44:56
Speaker 13: And I think this is a.
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Speaker 6: This is.
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Speaker 14: This must be driving the left nuts, that Melbourne City Council,
45:03
Speaker 14: you know, it was the Havana of the South Pacific,
45:06
Speaker 14: that they now have to go out and put Australian
45:08
Speaker 14: flags out and celebrate Australia... It's driving them nuts, but
45:11
Speaker 14: they're being forced to do it, dragged, kicking and screaming
45:15
Speaker 14: in recognising the fact that Australia is a great modern nation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Bring back the flag.
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Speaker 5: Right.
45:21
Speaker 2: David Elliott, Andrew Cofer, great to see you both. Thank
45:23
Speaker 2: you so much. And after the break, finally, the New
45:27
Speaker 2: York Times held to account. I'll tell you why shareholders
45:31
Speaker 2: are suing this rotten rag. Welcome back. And it's about
45:40
Speaker 2: time shareholders of the biased New York Times are filing
45:43
Speaker 2: a lawsuit against its parent company, arguing the paper has
45:46
Speaker 2: failed to meet its obligation to tell readers the truth
45:50
Speaker 2: and correct itself in a timely fashion when it doesn't.
45:54
Speaker 2: The petition was filed in the New York County Supreme
45:57
Speaker 2: Court yesterday and claims journalistic standards are, and I quote,
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Speaker 2: weaponised within the company to serve the personal agendas of
46:05
Speaker 2: unchecked editors. And for more now, I'm joined by the
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Speaker 2: co-chief executive of the Executive Council of Australian Jury and
46:12
Speaker 2: my co-author, of course, Alex Rivkin. Alex, good to see
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Speaker 2: you again for the.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you, Sharon.
46:16
Speaker 2: Second time today. Look, this is the newspaper that published
46:21
Speaker 2: false claims that Israeli guards were coaching dogs to rape
46:25
Speaker 2: Palestinian prisoners.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, look, this is a long time coming and it's
46:30
Speaker 7: about accountability. If you want to call yourself the newspaper
46:33
Speaker 7: of record and carry immense moral weight and authority throughout
46:38
Speaker 7: the world, you can't get away with this sort of thing.
46:40
Speaker 7: You can't publish these sorts of pieces with ludicrous accusations
46:45
Speaker 7: and tuck it away in the opinion section because it
46:47
Speaker 7: doesn't meet any basic standards of journalistic ethics, and then
46:51
Speaker 7: expect to get away with it. But these things have
46:53
Speaker 7: a profound impact. It doesn't stay within that paper. And
46:56
Speaker 7: we saw it also with the recent documentary, NASA, which
46:59
Speaker 7: received a 25-minute standing ovation at the Venice Film Festival.
47:03
Speaker 7: NGOs like Breaking the Silence, they all rely on unverified
47:07
Speaker 7: anonymous accounts which smear the men and women of the IDF.
47:11
Speaker 7: And it then cascades down to university campuses, NGOs, And
47:15
Speaker 7: it influences public opinion and government policy. So this needs
47:18
Speaker 7: to be stopped. And this legal action has the potential
47:20
Speaker 7: to stop it right at the source.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so important. And, you know, the media generally
47:26
Speaker 2: plays such an important role in recording history, but also
47:29
Speaker 2: establishing the facts, setting the tone for society. Alex, which
47:34
Speaker 2: brings me to our book. Now, I have to confess,
47:37
Speaker 2: I was worried when we wrote Bondi Terror that People
47:42
Speaker 2: might not care enough to read it, that no one
47:44
Speaker 2: would want to read it and read about the horror
47:47
Speaker 2: of that day, but I couldn't have been more wrong. Alex,
47:51
Speaker 2: we found out today that it's Australia's top-selling Australian-authored non-fiction
47:56
Speaker 2: book this week. It's made its debut at number one, Alex,
48:01
Speaker 2: which is, it's overwhelming, isn't it, to know that Australians care?
48:06
Speaker 7: It is, and it's that affirmation. You know, we know
48:10
Speaker 7: that Australians care. We saw it with the outpouring of
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Speaker 7: grief and support immediately after Bondi. We see it to
48:15
Speaker 7: this very day. But you're right, you know, we put
48:18
Speaker 7: our hearts and souls into this work, into preserving the
48:21
Speaker 7: stories of the victims and the families and the survivors
48:23
Speaker 7: and the first responders, ensuring that this history is always
48:27
Speaker 7: remembered and the stories are told. And to now know
48:29
Speaker 7: that so many Australians have this book and have those stories,
48:34
Speaker 7: it's humbling and it makes me immensely proud. And most
48:37
Speaker 7: of all, I'm happy for people like Ava Weitzen and
48:40
Speaker 7: Sabina Clayton and Larissa Clayton as well, all of the
48:43
Speaker 7: families who urged us on throughout this work and were
48:47
Speaker 7: our biggest supporters. I'm just thrilled for them and I'm
48:50
Speaker 7: thrilled for you, Shari. You've been such a wonderful person
48:53
Speaker 7: to collaborate with and work with.
48:55
Speaker 2: So have you, Alex. Thank you so much. So have you.
48:58
Speaker 7: And I'm thrilled, really, for everyone that's been involved in
49:00
Speaker 7: this and for HarperCollins, the publisher, as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've got to say thanks to HarperCollins for
49:05
Speaker 2: publishing the book. Yeah. And, you know, HarperCollins has released
49:09
Speaker 2: a press release about the sales of the book, and
49:12
Speaker 2: the CEO of HarperCollins, Jim Dimitriou, said this important book
49:16
Speaker 2: chronicles one of the darkest days in our nation's history.
49:20
Speaker 2: with thoroughness and sensitivity. And we're proud that readers are
49:23
Speaker 2: engaging with this vital piece of Australian history. And the
49:27
Speaker 2: HarperCollins sales director, Karen Marie Griffiths, said following the terrible
49:32
Speaker 2: events that took place in Bondi, there is still a
49:34
Speaker 2: strong desire across the country for people to understand what happened.
49:38
Speaker 2: And we've seen that reflected in the demand for this book.
49:41
Speaker 2: across all channels. And maybe I should add, I don't
49:44
Speaker 2: know if this is public, but we are on our
49:46
Speaker 2: fourth reprint now, Alex. So it is being well received
49:50
Speaker 2: and it was sold out for a while, but it
49:51
Speaker 2: has now been restocked at Booktopia online and in most bookstores,
49:57
Speaker 2: you know, Harry Hartog, QBD Books, Dimmicks and Big W.
50:00
Speaker 2: We're going to try and get around to do some signings. Alex,
50:04
Speaker 2: just finally, I want to get your thoughts on this
50:07
Speaker 2: really terrible, I couldn't believe how sad this story was
50:10
Speaker 2: coming out of Israel. It's about the son of the
50:12
Speaker 2: Israeli ambassador to the United States. He's been critically injured
50:16
Speaker 2: in a car ramming in the West Bank. But then
50:19
Speaker 2: I heard that the ambassador already lost his elder son, Moshe,
50:24
Speaker 2: fighting Hamas.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's horrific. It's so tragic. And just on Sunday,
50:30
Speaker 7: a father of six was killed in the West Bank
50:32
Speaker 7: as well in another terrorist attack. And we hear so
50:35
Speaker 7: often about settler violence, which is deplorable and everybody condemns
50:39
Speaker 7: it unequivocally. But you never hear foreign leaders, including our
50:43
Speaker 7: own foreign minister, who's speaking at the UN this week
50:47
Speaker 7: and criticizing Israel vehemently. You never hear them talking about
50:51
Speaker 7: persistent Palestinian terrorism in the West Bank. You have, on average,
50:54
Speaker 7: about 800, 900 such incidents a year in the West
50:57
Speaker 7: Bank targeting Israeli civilians. And Israelis living there have been
51:02
Speaker 7: so dehumanized. Their lives have been so devalued. We always
51:05
Speaker 7: hear the slogan from the progressives that no one is illegal.
51:09
Speaker 7: But apparently if you live in disputed territory beyond a
51:12
Speaker 7: defunct armistice line and you're Jewish, your life has no worth.
51:16
Speaker 7: But we pray for this man and for the ambassador
51:19
Speaker 7: and we hope for a good outcome.
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Speaker 2: Indeed. Alex, thank you so much. And thanks, everyone, for
51:24
Speaker 2: your company this week. We're out of time. Here's the
51:26
Speaker 2: awesome Paul Murray.