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Victims in college football rape scandals fight for justice · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece after three years and two trials,
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Speaker 1: twenty three year old former football player Brandon Vandenberg convicted
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Speaker 1: on multiple counts of aggravated rape and sexual battery, now
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Speaker 1: facing a sentence of fifteen to twenty five years. The
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Speaker 1: former athlete and three of his teammates were accused of
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Speaker 1: sexually assaulting a fellow student in a college dorm room
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Speaker 1: after a night of drinking. Surveillance video showing the men
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Speaker 1: carrying the unconscious victim into the building, waking up in
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Speaker 1: an unfamiliar room at the next morning. Well, Vandenberg didn't
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Speaker 1: physically assault her. He was convicted of facilitating and encouraging
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Speaker 1: the entire thing. Wow, you're hearing our friend Maria Chavou
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Speaker 1: camp Campo at ABC. They're calling it a scandal. I
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Speaker 1: call it a felony. You know what's interesting about the
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Speaker 1: college rape scandal. That's certainly putting perfume on a pig.
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Speaker 1: What an ephemism? Did you know? Look around? I'm looking
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Speaker 1: around the studio. I look around when I'm in the car.
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Speaker 1: I look around when I'm at church, I look around
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Speaker 1: when I'm at the children's school. Did you know that
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Speaker 1: one out of every four women and look around have
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Speaker 1: been sex assaulted. Man, I learned the hard way in court.
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Speaker 1: Very few of these women ever come forward. You'd be
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Speaker 1: very surprised at all the women that have been assaulted
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Speaker 1: that never say a word. Joining me right now on
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Speaker 1: the Ohio and the Utah and so any other rape scandals.
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Speaker 1: An all star panel to break it down and put
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Speaker 1: it back together again with me. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags. You can find her at Wendy
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Speaker 1: Patrick PhD dot com. James Shelnutt twenty seven years major
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Speaker 1: Metrocase Division SWAT officer, now lawyer. Karen Smith joining me,
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Speaker 1: California forensics expert, lecturer, University Florida and host of Shattered
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Speaker 1: Souls podcast. Also with me. Karen Start in York psychologist
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Speaker 1: joining us out of Manhattan today. You can find her
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Speaker 1: at Karen start dot com. That's Karen with us. See
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Speaker 1: but right now, let's go out to Crime Online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigator reporter Levi Page. Ps I mean, see, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You know, Levi Page. Did you hear that stat about
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Speaker 1: one out of every four women when you look around
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Speaker 1: have been sex assault? Do you have a mother, right, LEVI, yes,
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Speaker 1: I do. Do you have a sister or a cousin
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Speaker 1: or what do you have? I have a brother, but
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Speaker 1: I do have cousins, and that are females. Yes, you know.
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Speaker 1: My daughter and my son, they're twins, are twelve years
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Speaker 1: old right now. They're going to be going off to
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Speaker 1: college in just a few years. This is called the
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Speaker 1: college rape scandal. Tell me what happened. Let's just start
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Speaker 1: with Ohio State. Tell me about that, LEVI put it
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Speaker 1: in a nutshell for me. Okay, so, Nancy, two football
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Speaker 1: players are charged with the rape a mere Reef and Jason.
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Speaker 1: Why is it always football players? Don't mean to interrupt,
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Speaker 1: but what about that? Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of
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Speaker 1: Red Flags, Why is it always the football players college?
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Speaker 1: And then when you get to professional sports, it's free
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Speaker 1: for all. It could be football, it could be basketball.
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Speaker 1: You know, you don't really hear too much about baseball
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Speaker 1: or hockey or rugby or soccer. Well, what is it
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Speaker 1: with football, Wendy? Theories advanced over the years about this.
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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the theories is, this is a
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Speaker 1: sport that attracts the ability to let's say, have lots
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Speaker 1: of dates. You have, lots of women come home with you.
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Speaker 1: There's also a theory that says there's aggressive date that
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Speaker 1: is at a premium. Did you say date date? Remember
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Speaker 1: it's date rate that happens a lot is what you have?
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Speaker 1: Is okay? I agree, but I'm kind of losing you
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Speaker 1: on the date part of their part of it is acquaintance.
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Speaker 1: Sexual assault is far more common than somebody leaping out
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Speaker 1: of the bushes, and that is problematic. Now you have
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Speaker 1: this this issue of consent being the defense, and that's
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Speaker 1: why these cases are so egregious because when you have
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Speaker 1: a sport that's high profile, that's in the spotlight. Remember
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Speaker 1: football games are a big deal in high school. You know,
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Speaker 1: athletes are role models, whether they want to be or not.
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Speaker 1: And when this kind of behavior, sexual assault is happening,
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Speaker 1: where it begins with some element of let's say, their acquaintances,
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Speaker 1: if maybe they're not on a date. Although sadly, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you and I both know, having tried these cases for years,
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Speaker 1: sometimes the woman doesn't believe she's going to be raped.
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Speaker 1: And that is one of the reasons that these crimes
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Speaker 1: are severely underreported. Is it goes bad very quickly and
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Speaker 1: it turns into a terrible crime. And another thing which
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Speaker 1: I made a shrink on this. I got to eat
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Speaker 1: a second Karen. But a lot of the women, they're
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Speaker 1: really just girls, but women in college and that scenario,
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Speaker 1: they feel as if they would be the ones blackballed,
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Speaker 1: as if it would be their fault if they say anything.
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Speaker 1: Long story short, take a list to our friends over
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Speaker 1: at CBS News is Adriana Diaz. The Ohio State University
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Speaker 1: football players a Mere Reap and Johnson Wentz were booked
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Speaker 1: into this Columbus jail late last night after turning themselves in.
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Speaker 1: The criminal complaint alleged that February fourth, a nineteen year
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Speaker 1: old woman was having consensual sex with Reap when she stopped,
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Speaker 1: stating she did not want to continue. Detective Say Wint
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Speaker 1: then entered the room and Reap, after asking if Wint
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Speaker 1: could join, pushed her down by the neck, and the
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Speaker 1: two men allegedly raped her. Afterward, the report says, Reep
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Speaker 1: told the victim to say the incident was consensual on
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Speaker 1: a video as he was laughing and she was crying.
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Speaker 1: Denise alex Bazunis is with the Columbus Police Department. She
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Speaker 1: was unsure if she should go ahead and file charges.
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Speaker 1: Reap is a cornerback and went a safety. Both are
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Speaker 1: twenty one and played in more than thirty games for
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Speaker 1: the Buckeye, with one more year of eligibility. Attorney Sam
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Speaker 1: Shamanski represents Wint charges are outrageously false. He's wrongly accused.
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Speaker 1: He shouldn't be in jail. Well, I find that really
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Speaker 1: hard to believe. Let me get a ushll nut. You're
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Speaker 1: the lawyer, You're not a prosecutor, so I assume you
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Speaker 1: take the criminal defense case every once in a while.
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Speaker 1: So how does that work? After consensual sex during which
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Speaker 1: your sex partner says, hey, can my buddy join in?
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Speaker 1: I've got a funny feeling. That's not what she signed
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Speaker 1: up for. How often do you see that shell nutt
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Speaker 1: where the man then says, hey, by the way, he
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Speaker 1: will use will you go on video saying this was?
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Speaker 1: Because you know you don't see very often Nancy, Um,
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Speaker 1: you know the bottom whatever? How about ever, have you
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Speaker 1: ever seen it? Let's get specific, have you ever seen
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Speaker 1: that happened where after a sex? Never seen that happened again?
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Speaker 1: Perfume on the pig, this is a rape? Have you
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Speaker 1: ever seen them and go, oh yeah, by the way,
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Speaker 1: can I get you on video saying that whole thing
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Speaker 1: was consensual? We just did No, I've never seen it happen.
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Speaker 1: And if you're trying to avoid this type of charge,
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Speaker 1: that's a terrible idea. You know, if you look at
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Speaker 1: the video and look at the reports of what was
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Speaker 1: on this video, you know this, This young lady who's
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Speaker 1: the victimizes crying during this video. This isn't some happy
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Speaker 1: Joyce event where they're cutting up last and having a
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Speaker 1: good time. She's in tears and it looks like a
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Speaker 1: coerced video Time stories with Nancy Grace. The arrest of
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Speaker 1: a Mere Reef and Jason wind have placed a dark
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Speaker 1: cloud over Ohio State's football program. It's we of the
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Speaker 1: team and it just goes to show you that one
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Speaker 1: or two guys can bring a whole team down, and
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Speaker 1: you're seeing it now. Reef, there's a young man known
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Speaker 1: to many Cincinnatians for his skills on the gridiron. While
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Speaker 1: at Coleraine High Schools when he was a senior, the
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Speaker 1: four star cornerback was one of the best in state
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Speaker 1: prospects who chose to play at Ohio State. Wind Is
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Speaker 1: a current teammate of Reefs. The two lived together in
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Speaker 1: this apartment complex off campus. Columbus police say this is
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Speaker 1: where the men rates a nineteen year old who is
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Speaker 1: also an OSU student. I think there's probably a lot
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Speaker 1: of bad stuff that happens that we don't hear about,
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Speaker 1: and this just comes to everyone's attention because there's such
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Speaker 1: big name. According to court documents obtained by WLWT, the
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old and Reep were hanging out together on
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Speaker 1: February fourth and began to have consensual sex please say.
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Speaker 1: She then wanted to stop, went entered the room, and
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Speaker 1: documents state both men forced the woman into sex acts.
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Speaker 1: Reep is then accused of telling the woman she needed
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Speaker 1: to give her name and say the sex was consensual
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Speaker 1: on a video recording. Have you ever heard anything like it?
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Speaker 1: A video recordings WLWT needs five reporter Karen Johnson. You
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Speaker 1: know I was just thinking, um Karen Stark joining me,
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Speaker 1: psychologist joining me out of Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com. Karen,
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Speaker 1: did I ever tell you in all those hours we
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Speaker 1: sat in the dark together on the set at Court
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Speaker 1: TV Good Times, did I ever tell you that high
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Speaker 1: school I dated the high school football captain. Did I
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Speaker 1: tell you that? Yeah, we cheer. Remember, I can't believe
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Speaker 1: I ever brought that up. What did that attracted? That? Everything, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: But I'm not saying a word. Sadly, we were miked
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Speaker 1: up in the whole control room heard it. But can
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Speaker 1: I tell you that did not help me at all
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Speaker 1: in my education or my legal career. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, the whole thing caused me a lot of grief. So, ladies,
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Speaker 1: if you're listening dating an athlete, it's fine, but it's
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Speaker 1: not necessarily a status symbol, you know. I think somehow
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Speaker 1: Karen start that, well, can you blame the young women
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Speaker 1: in college because so much focused? Did you hear that
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Speaker 1: sound from our played by WLWT? They were talking about
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Speaker 1: at the beginning, the dark cloud, the rape scandal put
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Speaker 1: over the football team. It's all about the football team.
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Speaker 1: So can you blame young girls, young women who go
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Speaker 1: to college and all the emphasis is about the football game,
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Speaker 1: the football team, the game that weekend, the hoopla surrounding that.
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Speaker 1: Of course they think it's a big deal. So you know,
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Speaker 1: I can preach all I want to about it not
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Speaker 1: being a status symbol, but that's not necessarily true, Karen, start.
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Speaker 1: We got to think like they're thinking, it's not necessarily true, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and it's very appealing. But I also want to add
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Speaker 1: that you hear about stories like this from fraternitys. You
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Speaker 1: hear about stories like this. They just don't get the
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Speaker 1: same attention as the football players get because they are
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Speaker 1: the most popular and they're supposed to be quick. Was
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Speaker 1: brought Does anybody remember Brought Turner? He was the Stanford
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Speaker 1: student that raped a young lady out beside the trash bins,
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Speaker 1: then claimed that was consensual. I mean, you know, Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: let's just think this thing through. I mean, I know
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Speaker 1: people do a lot of crazy things when they're drunk,
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Speaker 1: but I hardly think getting naked by the trash ben
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Speaker 1: beside the fraternity house and having sex on top of
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Speaker 1: the dirt and the pine straw was what she really wanted.
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Speaker 1: I find that really hard to believe just that at
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Speaker 1: first sentence, At first bloshcare and Smith. I mean, forensically speaking,
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Speaker 1: you know, when you analyze a case, you have to
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Speaker 1: look at the forensics. You can Yet, what do you
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Speaker 1: do with a case like that. I'm talking about Brought
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Speaker 1: Turners who got the out slap on the wrist by
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Speaker 1: the I think, wasn't he a previous Stanford student or
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Speaker 1: coached one of their debate teams. There was some connection
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Speaker 1: between the judge and Stanford. Remember that, Yes, I do, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, here's the thing about this whole
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Speaker 1: rape culture thing. No, she didn't want that. And in
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Speaker 1: this case at Ohio State, that victim said that she
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Speaker 1: was involved in consensual sex, but she wanted to stop.
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Speaker 1: And the file that's where it ends. The woman says
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Speaker 1: she wants to stop. You stop, you don't go forward.
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Speaker 1: And that's the thing. You're dealing with university football players.
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Speaker 1: Two things here, publicity and financial fancy. A lot of
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Speaker 1: money comes into universities from the football team. And I'm
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Speaker 1: not blaming them, I'm not blood rushing. But what I'm
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Speaker 1: saying is when a woman comes forward against a football player,
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Speaker 1: that means bad publicity, and that means financial devastation if
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Speaker 1: it gets out in the news, and the universities then
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Speaker 1: have to go forward and defend all of this stuff. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, what's not asking you about forensics evidence.
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Speaker 1: We certainly got off the road. Let me just steer
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Speaker 1: the bus back into the middle of the road. Karen,
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Speaker 1: listen to this. Johnson went and a mere Reap of
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Speaker 1: both reigned on rape and kidnapping charges this morning, entering
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Speaker 1: not guilty Please. Reap's bonds set at one hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars wins at seventy five thousand CPDE charging the pair
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Speaker 1: for an incident a woman says happened at an off
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Speaker 1: campus apartment last week. Investigators say it started as consensual
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Speaker 1: sex between the alleged victim and a mere Reap, but
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Speaker 1: they say it became rape when she told him to
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Speaker 1: stop and went joined. This is video we're seeing for
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Speaker 1: the first time today of the two being booked at
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Speaker 1: the Franklin County Jail. Attorneys for both deny the allegations.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into the politics of it,
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Speaker 1: but it's a tough place to be in a student athlete,
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Speaker 1: and if you're falsely accused, the cut cloweral consequences are
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Speaker 1: just pronounced. This case is so fully reasonable, doubt, it's
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Speaker 1: beyond belief. But the reality is my kids innocent, period,
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Speaker 1: Once attorney pointing out police waited seven days to arrest him,
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Speaker 1: were my clients some stone called rapist, kidnapper, he wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have been on the street for seven minutes, not to
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Speaker 1: me in day. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa? What are they
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Speaker 1: telling me? There's a difference between a stone called rapist
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Speaker 1: and date rape, because that's what I think I heard
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Speaker 1: you were hearing our friends at w s y X
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Speaker 1: ABC six. Is there a big difference under the law
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Speaker 1: between date rape and stone called rapists like off the street?
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Speaker 1: You know, in legal theory, no, but when you get
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Speaker 1: in front of a jury, that's a whole another can
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Speaker 1: of worms to convince a jury that a woman went
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Speaker 1: willingly on a date, met possibly started consensual four play,
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Speaker 1: and then said no, does it happen? It happens every day.
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Speaker 1: But practically speaking, sometimes you're going to hit a roadbump
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Speaker 1: with a jury. You've got to get a jury that
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Speaker 1: understands the thinking behind the victim not coming forward. That's
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Speaker 1: a big issue. We see it all the time, you know,
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Speaker 1: you see it in the Weinstein case. Why did all
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Speaker 1: of these actresses never make a formal complaint? Look what
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Speaker 1: happened when they did. When one victim actually caught Weinstein
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Speaker 1: on audio tape and took it to Cyrus Advance the
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Speaker 1: Manhattan DA they did nothing. Nothing. What message does that
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Speaker 1: send Aside from the Ohio rap scandal, there's so many others,
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Speaker 1: but let me just circle back to that one moment
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Speaker 1: to Levi Page Crime online dot Com investigator reporter Levi
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Speaker 1: tell me exactly what the victim's allegations are in the
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Speaker 1: Ohio rape case. So, Nancy, she claims that she was
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Speaker 1: at this apartment complex off campus and the amere Reap
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Speaker 1: twenty one years old. They were having consensual sex. She
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Speaker 1: then says that she changed her mind and she no
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Speaker 1: longer wanted to engage in sexual activity with him. Then
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Speaker 1: things took a dark turn. Nancy. She says that Jason
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Speaker 1: went also a football player. The roommate came into the
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Speaker 1: room and he was like, hey, do you mind if
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Speaker 1: he joined? And she rebuked the idea, and then both
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Speaker 1: of them, who what what what? Levi? Maybe it's an
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Speaker 1: everyday thing for you to discuss. Hey, she's having consensual sex.
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Speaker 1: Then the roommate comes in and says, hey, can I
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Speaker 1: jump in? I just have to drink that in for
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Speaker 1: just one moment. I mean, right there, Wendy Patrick, I
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Speaker 1: got a problem right there. Yeah, yeah, that's right. She
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Speaker 1: didn't sign up for a three son you know going
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Speaker 1: on a date from me. I said that at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: she didn't sign up for that, and you stole it.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a moment. Come up with your
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Speaker 1: own tag phrase. But I know that the allegations are
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Speaker 1: that the roommate came in, then leave my page. He
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Speaker 1: asked her to do a video basically statement giving her
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Speaker 1: name and that the act was consensual. She cried the
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Speaker 1: whole way through as got their myths on that. What yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know this story. I'll say I think I think
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Speaker 1: this whole video, this video consent allegation is just nonsense.
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Speaker 1: You can argue it's to sign at the times, everything's
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Speaker 1: got to be in writing her on video, But this
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Speaker 1: young lady that the trauma that she was experiencing is evidence.
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Speaker 1: When you look at a video like this, it is
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Speaker 1: not a good idea. It is something that will be
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Speaker 1: used as an aggravent, as it should be, and there
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Speaker 1: is a very upheld battle arguing consent in circumstances like this. Sadly,
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Speaker 1: we do see cases like this. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: say it's only in the sporting arena, but given though
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Speaker 1: the allegations we're discussing, we've seen it, let's say more
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Speaker 1: than once. I know I've seen it many times over
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Speaker 1: the course of my career at leavi page. Let me
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Speaker 1: break in just a moment. What were you saying? Is
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Speaker 1: there more in the Ohio case? Yes. In addition to
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Speaker 1: forcing her to record a video statement saying that this
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Speaker 1: was consensual, he also made her take a shower before
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Speaker 1: driving her home, which would wash away some evidence of
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Speaker 1: a sexual assault, which shows you that they maybe knew
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Speaker 1: what they were doing. Uh. Yeah, that's a good point,
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Speaker 1: but very quickly, Karen Smith, Yes, No, hold on, wait
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Speaker 1: for it. When you'd force a rape victim to take
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Speaker 1: a shower, I doubt pretty seriously you're going to be
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Speaker 1: able to wash DNA out of someone's body cavities. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's not going to work. No, it won't. There's still
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Speaker 1: going to be some evidence left behind. And when you
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Speaker 1: know she was reported, she apparently reported this within hours.
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Speaker 1: A rape kit probably was done, at least I hope
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Speaker 1: it was done. And if that's the case, then that
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Speaker 1: DNA will still be within her. You know, if she
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Speaker 1: was held down by the neck, does she have bruising?
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Speaker 1: That would be the forendic evidence. I would be looking
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Speaker 1: for any cruising, any scratches and he marks on her
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Speaker 1: body as well. It's just very sad all around. Nancy
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Speaker 1: all of its Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Prosecutor Jan
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Speaker 1: Norman cued up three videos which were narrated by detective
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Speaker 1: Chad Gish, who discovered them on an iPhone back in
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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. Yes, this is the victim laying on the
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Speaker 1: floor of the dorm room. We see Corey Beatty's hand.
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Speaker 1: There a few seconds of video that shattered lives. It's
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Speaker 1: mister Beatty appearing to have sex with the victim. The
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Speaker 1: video was shot inside to let hall. Just said at
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Speaker 1: two forty in the morning. What you can't see is
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Speaker 1: the unconscious female student laying on a tile floor. I
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Speaker 1: feel almost sick. This woman, this young woman is depicted
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Speaker 1: on video being carried unconscious down a hall at Vanderbilt University.
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Speaker 1: From what we are learning, from what we know, she
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Speaker 1: was totally unconscious when she was raped. Yet this has
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Speaker 1: still being called a scandal as opposed to what it is,
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Speaker 1: a rape on a young woman. With me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel. Welcome back, I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Straight to LEVI page
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigat a reporter Levi, what happened
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Speaker 1: in the Vanderbilt case but Nancy in twenty thirteen, Brandon Vandenburg,
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Speaker 1: Cory Baby, Brandon Banks, and jay Borian Mackenzie. Oh wha
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Speaker 1: wait wait who one more time? How many people Brandon Vandenberg,
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Speaker 1: Corey Baby, Brandon Banks, and jay Borian Mackenzie. That's one, two, three,
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Speaker 1: four five. They were charged with great their football players
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Speaker 1: on at Vanderbilt University and Nancy. This is known as
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Speaker 1: the Harvard of the South, very very hard to get
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Speaker 1: into this college, and they're accused of raping a twenty
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Speaker 1: one year old female in the dorms there on campus,
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Speaker 1: and cameras set up in the dorms in the hallway
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Speaker 1: show them carrying this twenty one year old woman unconscious.
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Speaker 1: Cameras set up were they surveillance cameras or were they
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Speaker 1: camera set up by the purpse cameras set up by
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Speaker 1: the college surveillance cameras in the hallway. But after they
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Speaker 1: carried her into Vandenberg's dorm room, they whipped out their
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Speaker 1: cell phones and they started taking photographs and videos of her. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: At one point when they were carrying her in her skirt,
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Speaker 1: rode up and they started taking pictures of her in
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Speaker 1: her underwear, and Vandenberg also sent photographs of the victim
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Speaker 1: to an ex player that played for Vanderbilt. He also
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Speaker 1: there were photographs recovered from their phones, Nancy, of the
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Speaker 1: woman's private area. There was a video of Corey Beatty
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Speaker 1: and he's taking off his pants. He's wearing American flag underwear.
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Speaker 1: They're teasing him about it, and they're looking at porn
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Speaker 1: on the computer. There's also this is the most disturbing part.
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Speaker 1: There's video of them penetrating her with a water bottle
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Speaker 1: while she's passed out, and one of them urinates on
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Speaker 1: the victim, Corey Beatty, and in the video he says
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Speaker 1: that is for four hundred years of flavory and then
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Speaker 1: he calls her the B word. You know that was
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Speaker 1: my fault. I asked you to tell me what happened.
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Speaker 1: You taught me how old was the victim? LEVI do
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Speaker 1: we know? Twenty one years old? You know what? Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I just don't know what to say. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we're training in court to have an answer to everything.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't even have an answer. Don't that the
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Speaker 1: cruelty by the stain Nancy, the total disdain, the disregard
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Speaker 1: for the fact that this is a human being, a
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Speaker 1: person with rights and her privacy. It's so outrageous and
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Speaker 1: really really shows the disgust that they're having, that they
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Speaker 1: could care less they don't see her as a person.
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Speaker 1: Of course, you're sitting there and you don't know what
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Speaker 1: to say. It's just beyond belief. I mean though, the
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Speaker 1: thought of those videos and those pictures being disseminated to
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Speaker 1: god knows who and totally passed out Levi Paige. Was
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Speaker 1: she roofied? Was she? Why was she passed out? So Nancy.
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Speaker 1: That night before she was taken to the dorm room,
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Speaker 1: she was out on a date with Brandon Vandenberg. They
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Speaker 1: were at a bar in downtown Nashville, the ten Roo,
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Speaker 1: very popular place where the younger crowd, and she drank
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Speaker 1: very heavily. They tried to get into her hotel, but
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Speaker 1: not her hotel, but her apartment, but she couldn't find
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Speaker 1: her keys. So that's when they drove to the dorm
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Speaker 1: room where this a sexual assault took place. Well, you
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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen now. Wendy Patrick, California, prosecutor author.
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Speaker 1: I've read flags. You can find her. Wendy Patrick, PhD.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you got that PhD in there. Now let
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Speaker 1: me ask you, Wendy, is your PhD your juris doctorate
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Speaker 1: or do you have another PhD. My PhD is in theology, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I got a master and Divinity degree after I was
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Speaker 1: a prosecutor for about fifteen years and then went on
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Speaker 1: and got that PhD. Man, you probably needed it after
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Speaker 1: you saw all that, well, you bet I did. And
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Speaker 1: you know it really comes into play when analyzing the
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Speaker 1: behavior of sexual assault perpetrators and victims because it is
25:41
Speaker 1: this why do we have to analyze their behavior? But
25:45
Speaker 1: because the prosecutors did they because unless the jury has
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Speaker 1: been there, they can't appreciate, for example, why a woman
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Speaker 1: wouldn't run to the police right away, why she might
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Speaker 1: continue to have contact with or a rapists. Those are
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Speaker 1: the kinds of stuff, the kind of psychology. That's why
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Speaker 1: we have expert witnesses to explain to a jury how
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Speaker 1: traumatizing it is, how humiliating it can be, how embarrassing
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Speaker 1: and is shaming. And that's one of the reasons to
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Speaker 1: tell you, Wendy, that's why a lot of victims don't
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Speaker 1: come forward because they're so embarrassed because now you've got
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Speaker 1: to tell the whole courtroom what happened. Then you got
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Speaker 1: to see pictures of your genitals on you know, where
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Speaker 1: you're skirt up around your head in front of whoever's
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom. You can't close a courtroom. Now. There
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Speaker 1: were many occasions where I would just hand pictures directly
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Speaker 1: to the jury once they were, of course admitted into evidence,
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Speaker 1: and not put them up on a slide show, usually
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Speaker 1: because the victims were present and I did not want
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Speaker 1: them to have to see that or be embarrassed, or
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Speaker 1: the victims relatives if the victim was dead, I didn't
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Speaker 1: want them to see autopsy photos or crime scene photos.
26:50
Speaker 1: But sometimes they did go up. So you got the
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Speaker 1: rate victims sitting there watching all that. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: Then came the text messages found on Corey Baty's phone
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Speaker 1: days after the alleged rape occurred. They are trying to say,
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Speaker 1: we raped this big Saturday night. I'm about to kicked
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Speaker 1: off the team bro. Period, I'm my life up. Period.
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Speaker 1: All of these though were secondhand accounts. What her next
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Speaker 1: came directly from a man who was there. I can't
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Speaker 1: think a six core baby. Jaborian Tip McKenzie is also
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Speaker 1: accused of rape. At one time he was Batty's best friend.
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Speaker 1: Today he was testifying against him. Well, he continued to
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Speaker 1: um test the young lady. There were moments, yeah, man,
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Speaker 1: do you need a break? Fine? When the twenty one
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Speaker 1: year old appeared changed by it all, Well, I'm the
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Speaker 1: same though what I will ought to take place that day.
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Speaker 1: I'm not happy about it at all. Exist I hate
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Speaker 1: did it happen that way? No, I'm sorry. You could
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Speaker 1: feel sorry for him if you want to. But as
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Speaker 1: the judge often in structure jury, a defendant a perpetrator
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Speaker 1: may exhibit remorse immediately after the deed, but that does
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Speaker 1: not negate the intent at the time of the incident.
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Speaker 1: Let's think about that for a moment. The time of
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Speaker 1: the incident where this young woman just twenty one twenty two,
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Speaker 1: lying on the floor, where the skirt up over her head,
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Speaker 1: getting raped not only by these men but with water bottles,
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Speaker 1: but getting dragged around up and down a hall naked
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Speaker 1: in the dorm or the structure's hall, no, he's upset now.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't upset then when he and his buddies are
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Speaker 1: sitting around pictures and videos of this poor woman. Awful
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Speaker 1: if you can't connect with her. What did this happened
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Speaker 1: to your daughter, or your mother or your sister. Let's
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Speaker 1: take a lesson to the victim in this case. Gut
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Speaker 1: wrenching testimony from the victim in that brutal rape case
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Speaker 1: Vanderbilt University. As the defendant, Corey Beatty sat expressionless in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom. I've seen with my own eyes what I
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Speaker 1: was when mister Beaty was done with me, a piece
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Speaker 1: of trush. Today was the sentencing for Baby. He's one
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Speaker 1: of the four former college football players accused of raping
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Speaker 1: a twenty one year old fellow student and capturing it
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Speaker 1: all on camera. Today Beatty addressed the now twenty four
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Speaker 1: year old victims. It is one of In the end,
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Speaker 1: the judge handed down an expected minimum sentence of fifteen
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Speaker 1: years in prison. His former teammate, Brandon Vanderberg, will be
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Speaker 1: sentenced in September. His other twommates who pleaded not guilty,
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Speaker 1: are now awaiting word on plea deals. I'm so disgusted
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Speaker 1: in these sentences, leave I pay, just give it to himmy,
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Speaker 1: give it to himmy like a bullet. All right, what
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Speaker 1: were the sentence? So Brandon Vandenberg got seventeen years in prison,
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Speaker 1: Corey Beatty and Bates he'll do about seven eight go ahead,
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Speaker 1: worry Baity and Brandon Bigs both got fifteen years, and
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Speaker 1: Jay Borian mackenzie reached a plea deal where he agreed
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Speaker 1: to testify against his former teammates. He got no prison time,
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Speaker 1: that he has to register as a sex offender for
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Speaker 1: the rest of his life. He got probation. He got
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Speaker 1: probation because he snitched probation. So one gets seventeen, he'll
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Speaker 1: probably do maybe seven or eight. Two get fifteen, they'll
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Speaker 1: probably do six or seven, and one gets straight probation.
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Speaker 1: You know what's the saddest part is that there are
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Speaker 1: actually people whining about how this will affect their career.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace, really after the attack happened,
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Speaker 1: he turned to me and said, found the kind of
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Speaker 1: girl I would report a rape right because I would
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Speaker 1: ruin my career. Three days later, she did just that,
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Speaker 1: went to Logan police and reported that Tory Green had
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Speaker 1: raped her. How long did it take for them to
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Speaker 1: take these allegations seriously, and they called him in and
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Speaker 1: I heard nothing for about a year and a half.
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Speaker 1: Don't report this, it would ruin my career. Salt Lake
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Speaker 1: City Fox thirteen reporter Aaron Cox. Wow, Okay, another rape
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Speaker 1: scandal at another university. This time we're talking about Utah State.
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Speaker 1: To leave ipage climb online dot com investigative reporters, tell
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Speaker 1: me what happened in the Utah incidents? Is it true?
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Speaker 1: There are six victims Nancy, six victims that claimed they
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Speaker 1: were raped from two thirteen to two fifteen by a
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Speaker 1: former Utah State football player, twenty five year old Tory Green. All.
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Speaker 1: The women claimed that they were raped on dates with
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Speaker 1: him in their first ever encounter with him, all at
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Speaker 1: his apartment, and it went from twenty thirteen to two
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Speaker 1: thousand fifteen. That's thirteen fourteen, fifteen, three years. What took
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Speaker 1: so long for it to come to authorities? So authorities
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Speaker 1: didn't follow up on these claims and the university was
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Speaker 1: also been a woman that claimed she had met him
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Speaker 1: for ice cream. It was their first date. They went
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Speaker 1: to his apartment to watch a movie and he forced
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Speaker 1: himself on her and raped her. She says that she
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Speaker 1: went to the university, they never took action, they never
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Speaker 1: followed up with her, and she was so upset about
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Speaker 1: this that she gave up her scholarship and transferred schools.
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Speaker 1: Are you telling me that one or six of these
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Speaker 1: young ladies went to the university and they did nothing.
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Speaker 1: What do we know about the university itself as being
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Speaker 1: complicit in the delay in prosecution? Well, I know that
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Speaker 1: the woman that I just mentioned filed a civil lawsuit
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Speaker 1: again into the university. I think other females had gone
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Speaker 1: to the university as well as the police. Do you
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Speaker 1: think do you know? I think that I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many actually went to the university.
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Speaker 1: I do know that several of them went to law enforcement,
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Speaker 1: and law enforcement didn't really take action untild the accusations
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Speaker 1: kept coming in. That's odd, That's really weird. James shell
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Speaker 1: Nutt twenty two, twenty seven years Metro major case swat officer.
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Speaker 1: That's not easy, now, lawyer, James shell Nutt. I find
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Speaker 1: that very odd because I would get rape cases to
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Speaker 1: prosecute where in the police file and the grand jury
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Speaker 1: proceedings there's hardly any evidence at all. I would have
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Speaker 1: to go out and beat the street, I mean, work
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Speaker 1: it hard in order to get a case to take
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Speaker 1: to a jury. Yet I'm hearing that here in the
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Speaker 1: Utah top sat on rape allegations until they started quote
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Speaker 1: building up. What do you what do you make of that?
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Speaker 1: What I make of it is absolutely disgusting. You know,
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Speaker 1: you have to sit and think why would they do this?
34:16
Speaker 1: And you know why always is always the question. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: that seems to pervade an answer, But the bottom line
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Speaker 1: is that you have to think what interference was there?
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Speaker 1: What was their reasoning? What was the police motivation to
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Speaker 1: not investigate this case? And you have to start thinking,
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Speaker 1: you know, is there some improper influence coming from outside
34:34
Speaker 1: the law enforcement agency, through the school administration, through coaches,
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Speaker 1: or through someone else to hinder them or to port
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Speaker 1: a dampen the fire on this situation so that they
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Speaker 1: lacked motivation or lack the ability to investigate this case.
34:48
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just thinking about what if any undue
34:51
Speaker 1: influence was placed on the police. If any I don't
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Speaker 1: know that there was, leave I page. What mar can
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Speaker 1: you tell me about the delay in these cases ever
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Speaker 1: getting prosecuted? Because think about it, we know this guy.
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Speaker 1: One guy is convicted. Isn't he convicted of sex assault
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Speaker 1: on six women? Yeah? I mean if he had been
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Speaker 1: convicted the first time, maybe there would have been five others.
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Speaker 1: And remember that stat I started with LEVI about one
35:21
Speaker 1: in four women have been sex assaulted at some time.
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Speaker 1: How many other women are out there? Six women saw
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Speaker 1: it through all the way. How many other women are
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Speaker 1: out there? How this guy get away with it for
35:33
Speaker 1: so long? Well, Nancy, part of the reason why this
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Speaker 1: was prosecuted was the Salt Lake Tribune was actually tipped
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Speaker 1: off and they did an article on this, and that's
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Speaker 1: how Also it gained momentum and they started prosecuting him.
35:47
Speaker 1: And during the investigation, Nancy, this is very important to
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Speaker 1: point out, they got a search point for Green's cell
35:53
Speaker 1: phone and they got text messages that he had exchanged
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Speaker 1: with a friend of his where they were discussing. The
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Speaker 1: Thought Lake Tribune an article about the accuracy. Whoa, whoa,
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Speaker 1: whoa wait wait wait, I gotta write this down. Go ahead,
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Speaker 1: hit me though he is texting with a friend and
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Speaker 1: he speaked with proper nuns. Please, who is he Green?
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Speaker 1: The defendant? He is Green. The full name is Tory green, Yes,
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Speaker 1: go aham, And he is texting with a friend and
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Speaker 1: at first he denies the allegation, and then he comes
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Speaker 1: out and says, quote, they said I raped them, Yes
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Speaker 1: I did. It's my fault. I'm the one who did it,
36:34
Speaker 1: and that was used against him at trial. Well I guess, so,
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Speaker 1: I mean, okay, so six women that we know of, Okay,
36:42
Speaker 1: what more can you tell me about that? He went
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Speaker 1: to court, he got convicted. Was it a plea, was
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Speaker 1: it a trial? Was the Senate? Is there an appeal
36:51
Speaker 1: going on? What can't you tell me? He went to trial, Nancy,
36:55
Speaker 1: And this is going to get you upset about what
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Speaker 1: his defense was. So the defense attorney argued that all
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Speaker 1: of these victims came forward because he was going to
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Speaker 1: go into the NFL and they wanted attention. That's what
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Speaker 1: their defense was. Okay, I'm upset, but it's also laughable.
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Speaker 1: So I think the delay in the prosecution was because
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Speaker 1: the university didn't report it and the police didn't go
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Speaker 1: through with it. But he's saying the only reason they
37:26
Speaker 1: came forward is because he was going to go to
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Speaker 1: the big show. Yes, yes, he was actually signed to
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons and they dropped him. Okay, that's what
37:37
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now. And also, these women
37:39
Speaker 1: are suing Utah State University. What about that? What's going
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Speaker 1: to happen with that? The litigate five ongoing, Nancy, But
37:48
Speaker 1: they have sued the university because the university didn't follow
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Speaker 1: up on the complaints, they didn't provide any services to
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Speaker 1: help them throughout this devastating experience at all, and several
37:59
Speaker 1: of them have taken action in the form of civil
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Speaker 1: lawsuits against Utah State. Well, I truly believe that's the
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Speaker 1: only way that the rape culture will ever be brought
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Speaker 1: to a halt within universities and colleges is to hit
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Speaker 1: them where it counts, and that's in the wallet. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye, Frank