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Episode 730: Healing From Chronic Pain with Joshua Cameron · The Trauma Therapist

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That's the Trauma Therapist Project dot com. Let's get started. So five four,
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three, two and one. All right, folks, welcome back to
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the podcast. I am very excited to as my guess today. Joshua Cameron
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Joshua, welcome, sir. Thank you so much, guy, I really
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appreciate it. So Joshua is a combat veteran who specializes in helping those were
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caught in the life of chronic pain, whether that be emotional or physical.
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He helps them heal through the healing the spirit, and following Daoist principles of
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inviting flow with their blocks in our energy. Joshua spent over ten years in
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the medical field, from combat medic in the Army to pediatric medical research and
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data analysis. At the University of Utah or Joshua. Welcome in. Before
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we going share with our listeners where you're from originally and where you are currently.
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Okay, well that's easy because I'm originally from Utah and I'm currently in
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Utah. Now, I moved around a little bit. At nineteen, I
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joined the Army and then spent four years over at Fort Campbell. If you're
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familiar with the Screaming Eagles, right, if you ever seen like Band of
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Brothers TV show with Tom Hanks, right, that was that was the Screaming
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Eagles. So that's where I was, And then you know, spent time
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over you overseas at multiple war zones, and then after that spent seven years
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in Indiana, but then made my way back to Utah at the end of
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twenty ten. All right, So, how the heck did all this start?
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For you? Um? So it's a kind of a long story,
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and so I'll try to bob and weave my way through it. But I
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think, um, I think a lot of how this started was really by
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you know, you know, you mentioned about my my spiritual you know path
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a bit, and in order to have a spiritual path, I actually started
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on an anti spiritual path. And what do I mean by that is that,
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you know, in order for somebody to be truly spiritual, they really
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tap into who they are and listening to their inner voice. But from a
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young age, I was taught to distrust my inner voice, right and little
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things. I'm sure that everyone you know, if you're listening, you know,
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and you Tube guy, I'm sure that you've experienced it. You know,
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things like you know, hey, Josh, when you what do you
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want to be when you grew up? Like, oh man, I want
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to do this. That's stupid. Why would you do that? You should
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do what I think would actually make you money. So then it starts making
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me think, oh so my ideas are stupid. Oh so, then my
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career objectives are stupid. Oh so, then I'm stupid. And the problem
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with that is that you know, when your intuition says, hey, you
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should do this, but oh sorry, I've already come to the conclusion that
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I'm stupid and I cannot trust my intuition, which ultimately led me to the
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army because at nineteen, people like Josh, we're gonna do You're an adult,
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now, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do what
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it's like. Ah, And so I joined the army without any real idea
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of what I wanted to do when I grew up right, quote unquote,
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and it could have easily been perceived as a mistake. In fact, the
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four years that I was it was like what did I do to myself?
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But what's amazing now is that since I have the grace to look back fondly
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at myself and not be like right to myself, I can then look and
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see like, oh, you know, even if I was listening to other
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people and I wasn't trusting myself, I still put myself there willingly. And
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even though I joined you know, this totalitarian or you know environment with an
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outrageously sized chip on my shoulder, that was still me. That was you
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know, still I did that. Right. It wasn't the best environment for
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me, clearly, But what it did is that allowed me to create obelists
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in time that I can then look at me like, oh, hey,
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Josh, this is what happens when you getting your own way, and this
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is what happens when you think you're the smartest person in the room. Right.
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I joined as as an angry teenager, and it took me several years
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in my twenties to get out of that angry teenager phase. And you know,
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this is what happens when, you know, when you put yourself somewhere
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willingly and then completely resist it. Right, Carl un says that which you
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resist persists. I resisted the ankst. I resisted the fact that I was,
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you know, in this totality organization. So what happened, well that
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I was controlled even more, right, because if you don't follow orders,
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well then guess what, well, they're going to go ahead and start taking
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your money. They're gonna start doing all sorts of things. And so it
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was a real benefit for me, though I didn't see it at the time,
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and so I think that was the start of it. I appreciate that
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and appreciate you sharing that. And you know what you said initially about trusting
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oneself and listening to oneself is profound. I mean it's huge. I think
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a lot a lot of people experience that. Unaddicted Bath Joshua. To this
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day, I'm still struggling with, you know, listening to my gut,
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listening to my authentic self and trusting that, and it's something I'm still working
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on. Um. So you said, you grew up in an environment like
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that. Yeah, Now was that via both parents or are you speaking specifically
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in your in your home environment or just in the in your cultural environment as
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a kid? I mean great questions, great questions now really both And so
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in my home environment, right, my dad checked out when I was too,
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got divorced and then really didn't have a whole lot of influence. I
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saw him like maybe once a year, yea, even though he lived like
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thirty minutes away, seeing maybe once a year. And my mom was you
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know, in a you know, god bless or an out but you know,
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as you know, as a you know, flawed person just like us
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all and was you know, drowning at the bottom of the bottle and was
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married to somebody who was a you know, a tyrannical you know, alcoholic.
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And what I learned, you know, at a very young age is
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that just like in Jurassic Park, the tyrannosaur doesn't see you if you don't
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move. Now, the problem with that is that when I went to school,
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well, guess who gets picked on? The kid who doesn't move,
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the kid who shy, the kid who it doesn't stand up for themselves.
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So the very survival mechanisms that I employed to keep myself safe from the terrannosaur
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blew up in my face disastrously at school. So then that further instilled like,
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hey, I just I apparently everything I do is wrong. And so
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it created this this animus between my you know, outer self and my inner
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self. So you go to the army, and how are you working through
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this in the army or what's your experience while you're there? You know,
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I wish I had the presence of mind to be a lot to work through
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it, but I just wasn't. I just wasn't mature enough. You know,
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I could easily say, well, hey, man, I had no
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prefrontal cortex, right, so I was relatively brained down and so leave me
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alone. Um, but I just didn't have the maturity, right I was
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because I was so caught up in this paradigm that I'm wrong. Well,
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then it just like a dog who's leashed outside all day long while I snap
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at everything right. And so there was a lot of there was a lot
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of innate trauma that was really bound up inside of me that caused a lot
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of you know, mental you know, um anguish and pain and really caused
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me to be in my way quite often. So how do things an unfold
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such that you start to become aware of what's been going on and what is
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going on at that time? Well, you know, really it starts off
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with you know, I'm I'm a huge fan of Jordan Peterson, and even
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before I met him, I was really employing a lot of philosophies that he
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talks about, which one of those is allow yourself to do something stupidly right.
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I mean, because what the hell do we know? Man? Right?
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And if I don't If I'm trying to new a venture, right,
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and I go out and I try it, well, if I give myself
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the allowance to do it stupidly, well one, I'm not going to take
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it, you know, overly seriously, you know when I fail, because
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chances are stupidity is not going to succeed, but it's going to give me
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valuable data, and that valuable data is going to allow me to be able
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to then say, Okay, well this worked, but that didn't. Okay,
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well this work but that didn't. Okay, Well how do I then
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start getting more successes? And um, you know I would working in pediatric
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medical research, you know, at the time, you know, Donald Trump
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became elected and I was working around a lot of women and there's a big
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uproar, and it really it galvanized me, like, d look at me.
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I'm gonna help on my white horse and I'm gonna ride into town and
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everyone will be like, hooray, here's Joshua. And while I felt good,
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I did a lot of things really stupidly, and I was out there
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like, okay, well, you know, what do I see working?
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Okay? When politics? What I see working as people say a bunch of
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loud things and then they get seen. Okay, Well what if I try
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that and do a bunch of loud things. And what happened was eventually I
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got to a point where, you know, I'll be talking to somebody and
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be like, well, guy, it looks like you don't quite understand what
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I'm saying, or in fact, maybe you disagree. So it must mean
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that I need to raise my voice a little bit louder in order to show
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just how right I actually am and just how superior my thoughts are. And
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so I really walked around a while with my head up my fourth point of
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contact without realizing it. But what it did is it gave me the benefit
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of putting myself outside my comfort zone so I could grow. And then eventually
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when I grew, well, you know, I had to pop my head
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out of my butt. And when that happened, it really took kind of
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my world falling apart at that point, because you know, Carl Jung has
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this idea that that would you resist persists, Right, the very people who
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say that they are against the auoritarian doesn't become very much authoritarian. Right.
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The same way that a NASCAR driver doesn't want to crash into a wall doesn't
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look at the wall right he's driving. It looks at where he wants to
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drive. Because where we look right, we magnify our focus, and wherever
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it is, we look well, that's the direction of travel that we're going
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to go in. And I didn't realize that until I met a man by
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the name of Peter Sage. You never heard of him, I don't think
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so. So he's a serial entrepreneur, He's I'm just a leading you know,
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a resource on consciousness and neuroscience. I mean, just amazing guy.
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You know, born in Leicester, you know, England, and you know
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I went through his mentorship and you know, I had him as a as
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a mentor, and it taught me so much about my own internal design,
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why it is I do what I do, why I think what I think.
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And it was in that process that he actually introduced me to a mentor
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of his who I thought was the most bizarre person in the world. Right
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here's this guy saying that he's this spiritual healer. Is like, okay,
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dude, you're a spiritual healer. Okay um? And uh but up until
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that point, I was really tuning into sad Guru. If you're familiar with
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sad Gurum. Okay, So there's Indian mystic that has you know, completely,
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you know, diametrically opposed on the outside, at least you know the
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way that we would look as you know, this white dude from from Utah.
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But uh, you know, he has this point that life is about
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experience, isn't it right? Because all day long we can sit inside our
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heads and we can talk ourselves out of it an experience. The same way
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that a child folds their arms and says, no, I don't like it,
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and then there's this frustrated parent. It's like you haven't even tried your
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vegetables. How do you know you don't like them? Right? Well,
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I just know. Um. Well, so here's this guy who I thought
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was bizarre, by the name of Ed Straitcher. And in my right ear
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I heard this audible voice, right maybe it was my higher self whispering down
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to me of life is about experience, It's like and it was in sad
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Guru's voice. It was like, Okay, well, there's a reason why
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I'm hearing that, and I need to check this out, and again putting
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myself outside of my comfort zone because again here I am in a seemingly bizarre
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situation, and that allowed me to tap into more spiritual awareness and a spiritual
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path that I didn't even realize what was possible. What's really interesting to me,
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Joshua, as I'm hearing you talk, is you know, you shared
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a pretty oppressive environment growing up, one that could have, I guess seemingly
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from the outside perceived that there was no visible trauma, but there was obviously
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a lot going on, a lot of you, maybe you can use the
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word negative stuff going on that really I think impacted is your directory of your
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life. You believe in yourself certainly, and yet you also talk about this
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pretty incredible self awareness that you have and to me, there that's that's I
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think, it's it's awesome that that happened. But how the heck did that?
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Where did that come from? M great question? Uh So since you
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know, ever, since that's a teenager, you know, I've been devouring
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you know, Aristotle, you know Plato, you know the Nietzsche, uh,
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you know the you know the great you know the great philosophical you know
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geniuses. And in many ways it was above my head, right, especially
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reading Nietzsche as that as a as an eighteen or nineteen year old, It's
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just like I get that these are words and you know, and it was
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almost like it was almost like a zen coon. If you're familiar with zen
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coon, Yeah, yeah, because zen coons don't really make sense as you
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read them. They're supposed to make intuitive sense as you read it, in
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the same way that somebody tells a joke and then you laugh, right,
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you just get it. And in many ways I find this philosophy like that.
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And so it took me a lot of years of okay reading, Okay,
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this is what I think that they mean. Let me go ahead and
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adopt that way of thinking and looking at the world. In this lens and
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then it you know, through I guess the law of attraction, I really
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attracted things into my life that allowed me and gave me the opportunity to see,
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hey, do you actually believe what you think you believe? Right?
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Do you actually know what you believe? And as I experience these things,
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that really allowed me to look further into myself, whether I realize it or
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not, in order to really cultivate what it was that I wanted. Wow,
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that's a really, I think powerful position to be in, and I
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think a lot of us could benefit from having that kind of insight You're looking
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at being aware of our belief systems are paradigms that we're running r on a
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daily basis. All right, So how did you get to a point?
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First of all, let me remind you when I'm speaking with Joshua Cameron.
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How did you get to a point, Joshua where you said to yourself,
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right, I want to start helping people, were working with people to help
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them along their journey. So that's a slightly complicated question because I thought I
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was helping people when I was out doing I was out doing my you know,
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my political activism, and what I mean by that is that I suspended
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and just kind of you know, four went anything that needed work in my
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internal life. I just allowed my life to basically fall apart because look at
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me, Right, that's kind of what the martyr does. The martyr says,
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Hey, you know, even though my life is falling apart, look
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at the good that I'm doing for you, which is complete bs. Right.
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The idea that you change yourself and change the world is probably the truest
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statement ever because you know, if we don't put the auction mask on ourselves
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first, we're going to pass out and we're not gonna to help anyone.
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And as much good as you know, whether I was doing good or not,
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if I'm not taking care of myself, well I'm gonna I'm gonna collapse
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out of exhaustion. Right, I'm gonna collasp because my life has fallen apart.
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Uh. And so it really was the examination of my internal belief system.
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Right again, Uh, you know who am I? You know?
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Who do I want to be? And when I first started tuning into Jordan
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Peterson, right, the ability to suspend my disbelief in order to entertain an
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idea. Right, it was Aristotle who said that the market of intelligent It's
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a market of intelligent mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it,
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right, just because you say something doesn't you know, I can certainly
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be skeptical, But what if I verify it? Right? What if I
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don't just you know, fold my arms and dogmatically say, well, I
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think this is silly. Therefore I'm just going to assume these vegetables taste gross,
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right, just just like a little kid um. And so you know,
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with that, you know, as I started examining, you know,
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who I was, Jordan Peterson had this idea that probably the best thing that
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you can do for yourself is to create your highest ideal of goodness, of
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which you can conceive and then become it, right, make yourself worthy of
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it by becoming it. And when I started playing with this idea, I
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actually had a vision pumped in my head of a podium, and that podium
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was obvious that it was at a church. It was obvious to me that
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church was at Mormon church because I live here in Utah. But I was
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like, well, wait a minute. You know, I get from this
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vision that I should be speaking from the business end and addressing people. But
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I'm like agnostic at best, and kind of deal, you know, thinking
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atheist, like I certainly don't believe in an entity as God. How the
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heck am I going to be able to address like, how is that even
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possible? And by you know, just speaking with some friends, come to
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find out, Oh, well, that's interesting. Every first Sunday of every
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month there's this fast and testimonial meaning that the LDS have that where anybody who
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shows up can go up and share their thoughts. Anybody, huh interesting?
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And so I went up there and started just sharing my thoughts, and the
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third month of being there, I created an editorialized version of my highest ideal
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of goodness, which was Gandolf, but not Gandolf in the sense of,
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you know, YO shall not pass, which is awesome and all, but
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the Gandolf who shows up to hang out with Hobbits that everyone else dismisses,
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sees them as useless. And yet the Hobbits saved the entire Middle Earth because
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their love of life and their love for community actually inoculated them against protected them
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against the pervasive evil, which was Souron. And so Gandolf's love for humanity
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and love for connection right that's what I saw as my highest ideal of goodness.
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And well here I am, so give us an example of the work
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you do. What does it look like specifically? Obviously don't use names,
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but walk us through. Sure, So I have a client right now who
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came to me in tears. You know, this person has been in a
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they've gotten a car accident twenty years ago. Uh. They you know,
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smashed their ribs up. Uh their ribs are still hurting from twenty years ago,
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or at least, we're um. And now they had uh you know,
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they had bone spurs in their in their spine. Uh. They you
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know, trauma in their mind, and you know, uh, a swollen
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limp node uh in their body because their limp system isn't working, you know.
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Uh. She was told that her liver was blocked. I don't necessarily
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know exactly what that means, but just going off of what she was saying,
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and as I, you know, I was talking to her, you
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know, first I have to find out like, oh, you know,
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is this something that is just like a passing you know, interest, like
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yeah, I kind of want to heal or oh my god, like I
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need to be able to heal. Right, how serious. Is it?
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Is it for you? Because you know, if it's not serious, you're
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just not going to pay tension. Right. And you know, almost like
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a football player who thinks too too much of their abilities and they don't really
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involve themselves, right, They're just not really that interested, but they're not
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checked in. They're not listening to the coach, and so I have to
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find out, hey, are you even coachable? Um? And then you
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know, as I do that, well, you know, my modality is
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effectively I bring people down into a deep meditation, get them into an alpha
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state. I do record them so then they can go back over through the
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meditations because you know, everything is energy, right. This is something that
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you know, physics proves in fact Einstein's mentor you know Max Plank you know,
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is famous for saying that you know, everything is consciousness. And you
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know, the more that we wrap our minds around that, then we start
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to realize, uh, and even see that neuroscience now is proving that the
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brain doesn't know the difference between ima imagination and actual physical you know, interaction.
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And so part of what I do is get through to their idea entity.
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Right. There's three levels. There's three main levels. Of awareness.
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One is intellectual level, right, and you can think of like a smoker.
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Right, there's literally no reason why a smoker should smoke, right,
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there's no reason why they should, you know, suck in carcinogenic vapors and
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their lungs. So intellectual, right, we can know things all day long,
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but we're not necessarily going to take action. Right. We can know
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what to do, but we might procrastinate. We can know what to do,
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but then we just may not do it. And then there's the emotional
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level. Right. Take that same smoker and say the daughter comes up and
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says, daddy, daddy, daddy, I really want you to quit,
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smokers. I want you to walk me down the aisle one day, like
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right. And well, and then they crush those cigarettes and they throw them
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away. Well, that's great to be able to get you out of your
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rut and you get you actually moving towards a you know, a goal that
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you want to do. However, right now they're a smoker who's quit,
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which means they're doing what they're resisting. They're resisting the urge to smoke.
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The problem with that is that which you resist persists. If you're at the
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gym and you're holding a resistance band. There's only so much time until your
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arms give out and until you until you change your identity. And this is
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really where I help people get to is getting to their identity level and remaking
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the identity that they want. Because once you change your identity, well,
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somebody offers you a cigarette, it's not you don't even identify as a non
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smoker. You just don't smoke. And this is the idea in the dow
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To chain where you know, this idea of you know, if you give
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evil nothing to oppose, it'll go away on its own, not because it's
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not there, because you can step out of its way, right, But
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if you're opposing and you're resisting, well, your willpower will give out right
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because you know, no matter what you know, um, the environment will
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trump your willpower every time over time. You know, if you and I
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are hanging out, I know I'm about to fall off a cliff face.
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I'm holding on you come back on Tuesday, I ain't going to be there
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right right. So for context purposes for a listener, So you are a
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coach, So I am I do coaching because I do need to make sure
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that you understand or you know proverbial. You understand that you know thought power,
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right, and you know our words cast spells on us all day long.
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And there's a very easy way to think of that right here in America,
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which I love the US, But we talk about how we are the
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land of the free, right, and so we use these words when we
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adopt them, and we believe them. But if we're the land of the
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free with four percent of the world's population but twenty five percent of the world's
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prisoners, that seems strange, that doesn't seem very free. But we believe
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it anyway. And so you know, whatever words we tell ourselves, right,
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Bruce Lee was famous for saying that to watch the language that you use,
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you know, with yourself, because your body can't help. But listen.
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And if we are breaking ourselves down in the mind right in America,
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we fetishize this idea that we are our own worst critic or our own worst
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enemy, and own worst critic, our own worst enemy is not somebody who
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has your back, that somebody's going to come and hit you and the hit
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you in the knee with a hammer right before it's time to run a race.
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Right. And so when we have these negative thoughts where these are all
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energy. Everything's energy. And you know, now, neuroscience is proving that
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chronic pain almost always is some level of unprocessed trauma. That's that's you know,
24:03
stuck in the body. And so if we are internalizing all these negative
24:08
thoughts and we're breaking ourselves down in our mind, well doesn't it make sense
24:12
that the body itself would start to break down. So part of the coaching
24:15
process is to be able to get people to understand your thoughts have power.
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Right, you live in a world where the world happens to you, Well,
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then you're gonna get You're gonna get a reflection because the world is going
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to mirror that that, hey, things are happening to you and things are
24:30
going to fall apart. But we start seizing that power back and you actually
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start looking at where you want to go instead of looking where you don't want
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to go. That coupled with the powerful meditations and you know, the effectively
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It might sound silly, but you know, whatever I help people heal their
24:47
soul. And what I mean by that is, you know this idea of
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flow, right, we need all energy needs flow, and if we are
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blocking up our flow by you know, having these, you know, tramatic
25:00
ideas and thoughts, constantly beating ourselves down. Just like water needs to flow,
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the energy in our body. If it quits flowing, will starts to
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stagnate. And what's attracted to stagnating water? Will parasites and mosquitoes? And
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what do they bring? Will they bring diseases? And so what happens when
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these parasites mosquitoes attach themselves to our energy body will just like they do in
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the real world, so that instead of drawing our life bloody drawing our life
25:22
force. If our life force is drawn, just like Max Plank said,
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everything is consciousness, which is a good placeholder for soul will. If the
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soul itself is being drained, well, then of course the body and the
25:33
mind break down as a natural consequence. But the soul itself is now at
25:36
full power, then the body of the mind will they heal as a natural
25:38
consequence. And instead of flopping our arms around and fighting these mosquitoes, which
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then gets the heart rate going, which then gets the breathing going. And
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what are mosquitoes attracted to do in the first place? Our carbon dioxide output,
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Well, then what I do is I help introduce that flow through the
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coaching as well as the meditations, as well as just healing the soul,
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so that way that energy can start flowing again, get rid of that stagnant
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energy. So then you're stepping out of the way of that evil rather than
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I'm posing it now in terms of help us understand how trauma comes into play
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here, because obviously there are a lot of different trauma treatment modalities out there,
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ones that you know, focus on the body, somatic therapies and so
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forth. How do you approach that if someone comes to you with an obvious,
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you know, pronounced traumatic experience, a sexual assault and so forth,
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what is your again with the understanding that everything everyone's different, but how do
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you approach that? You know? I actually I fell into that idea intuitively,
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and you know, and what I mean by that is, you know,
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for you know, a while now, I was a nerd. I
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don't watch as much at TV now, but I was watching a lot of
27:00
Stranger Things, and you know, on this Stranger Things there's you know,
27:04
this girl eleven who goes into a century deprivation tank and in there she taps
27:10
into a whole new dimension. And so I started playing with these ideas like
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well wait a minute, Well I have access to a deprivation tank. I
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also have access to you know, quote unquote magical abilities. Well what would
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happen if I put myself in in a deprivation tank, um, and see
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what I can do with my magical abilities? And so what happened was and
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this is also what I do. Uh, but I had to learn how
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to do this for myself first. But you know, in this deprivation tank,
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I'm going through my meditations, I'm going through my you know, my
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energy work, and I'm feeling more love and more connectedness than I've ever felt
27:45
my life. And it occurred to me at that moment, right that I
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should summon the worst rosest memory of my life. And so I did.
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And so, just like I was in a hologram in this new dimension,
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I went ahead and had it playing, and then I created the version of
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me that was at that age, right, this six year old boy,
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this six year old boy who didn't have a dad, right, who basically
28:07
was checked out, who you know, the only father figure that was there
28:10
every day was it was this you know, maniacal trantis or that's you know,
28:14
that's also drowning. You know, at the bottom of a bottle of
28:17
alcohol. And what I did was I then projected myself who I was then
28:22
feeling this ultimate love right next to that little boy, and I took his
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hand and the love that I never got as a boy. Well, I've
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learned how to give love to my son. So what did I do?
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Well, I gave the same love that I give to my son to myself.
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And I learned at that point that I can be my own father.
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I don't need to go looking out for the validation for my dad because I
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can give that to myself. And then what I didn't realize at the point,
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but then Thedo helped me understand what I did here is that you know,
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I filtered that gross emotion through that that feeling of love that I had,
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and then as I filtered it, then I passed it on to that
28:57
kid, you know, that that child version of me. And so this
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is actually what Seaman's call soul retrieval. I don't know if you ever heard
29:03
soul retrieval, but you know, so I went through and effectively did what
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you know, what they call soul retrieval. And you know, as I'm
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holding his hand, I'm processing this emotion for him, right, And then
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I turned around and let him know, hey, you never have to be
29:19
afraid ever again. And I gave him a big hug that he needed to
29:22
feel safe. And I just burst it out crying because I made that salty
29:27
water a little bit saltier, you know, for a couple of minutes.
29:30
But and so that's effectively what I do is I don't go in there and
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say, hey, let's get rid of this memory. Let's go in there
29:37
and save that person from that event, and let's remake right because brain doesn't
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know, brain doesn't know any difference. So the brain doesn't know any difference.
29:45
Well, let's go ahead and remake those those neural pathways. And since
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we can remake those neural pathways, what are we doing. We're stepping out
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of the way of evil. Share with us if you can an insight from
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when you started work, um u, an insight about an error you made,
30:04
a clinical error you made. What you learn from that. We're coaching
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or rather, yeah, I guess uh so. Part of coaching is you've
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got to know when to lean in and call your clients on their bs right.
30:18
Because as much as people want to be able to heal they're also going
30:22
to fall back on the pathways that they're used to. And you know,
30:26
people who live in a you know, the you know, life happens to
30:30
me mentality need to need to get out of that if they're everyone to have
30:33
any sense of healing or any sense of self autonomy. Otherwise they're constantly going
30:37
to be giving their power to others. So there were times that I've learned
30:41
that wearing kid gloves too often and just trying to be nice rather than just
30:47
kind of drawing a line in the sand and not being rude, but being
30:51
stern and say, hey, this behavior is unacceptable, right, um,
30:55
because when you're new, right, you can get nervous and it's yeah,
30:59
and you know, when you're nervous, you want to you want people to
31:02
like you, right and when you and so I would say that, you
31:06
know, being liked is far less important than being effective. Yeah, I
31:15
agree with that. Um, all right, So who who do you work
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with? Who you are? Can do you have an ideal client? Yeah?
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In general? Yeah, A great question. So ideal really are people
31:29
who you know, experience chronic pain that effectively the only the only hope that
31:33
they have, you know, is that you know their doctor says, well,
31:37
here's this drug that was you know, going to have you know,
31:38
terrible side effects, right that eighty percent of addicts come from taking these drugs.
31:44
UM. And there's no real cure to this. And you have to
31:48
keep coming in, keep coming in, keep getting checked out, Maybe have
31:49
surgeries because your body still breaking down. Maybe get you know, things replaced.
31:55
UM. And if they're tired or that, and they finally want to
31:56
find a place where you know, perfect health actually is an natural state,
32:00
and they and they're tired of actually taking something that just is a band aid,
32:04
UM, then that's that's my my ideal client. And that's you know,
32:08
a chronic pain in the mind or the body. By that's PTSD,
32:12
that's depression anxiety. I even worked with a young lady in New Zealand who
32:17
couldn't help but pick these gnarly scabs. I mean just pick her skin all
32:22
over her shoulders, you know, down her arm, so she could you
32:24
know, it's us in New Zealand. And she'd constantly wear long sleeve shirts
32:29
in New Zealand. Um, it's hausit is there just because you know her,
32:32
just the state of of mental disaffection that she had for herself. She
32:37
just couldn't help but see herself as an enemy and just pick these you know,
32:40
gross scabs. And then after working with her, well, you know,
32:44
she's she's never had that level of self love before. Um. And
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because I help remake her identity, well then she stepped out of the way.
32:52
There's there's no longer the need to pick the scabs because she identifies as
32:57
you know, she doesn't identify as a non smoker, just doesn't smoke.
33:00
She doesn't identify as somebody who doesn't pick their scabs. She just doesn't pick
33:02
scabs anymore. Jus true, what do you think it is about you that
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enables you to do this work? Um? Imagination? Right, Einstein said
33:13
that the mark of intelligence. Intelligence is based on imagination. And again that
33:16
goes back to neuroscience, proving that you know, our brain doesn't know the
33:21
difference between reality and imagination if we are able to visualize, and all throughout
33:25
my life as I has grown up. Right, So, one of the
33:29
things that really saved me from you know, from the you know, oppressive,
33:32
uh, you know background that I had, is I would devour a
33:36
lot of fantasy novels. I devour these epic stories of people who had this
33:40
camaraderie, this brother you know, brotherly camaraderie with their you know, with
33:44
their fellows that I just never had that I and so I identified with with
33:49
this idea of this magical ability to be able to find a path and to
33:52
be able to identify, to be able to save myself and save others um
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and wants. I realize that, you know, my master Ed Straecher.
34:01
Once I realized that's what he was offering me, it was like, oh
34:04
man, I'm all in. I'm all in. And so my ability to
34:07
to trust in myself and then just believe has shown, I mean incredible results.
34:15
In fact, the lady who I mentioned who had um bone spurs,
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right, m R. Now shows we'll guess what, bonespurs are gone,
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So no need for surgery to get rid of bones spurs on the spine,
34:23
right, And you can imagine how painful that can be, bones spurs on
34:27
the spine. And well, how is that possible, Josh, that that
34:30
you brought somebody through a meditation and got them to change their thoughts and then
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now bones spurs are gone. Well, because again everything is energy, and
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all energy can be transformed just a matter of belief awesome, Joshua, was
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the best way for people to get in contact with you, Yeah, for
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sure. So best ways probably could go to my website at www dot Free
34:52
Me from Pains dot com and there'll be a button there that if you want
34:57
to you know, get in touch with you know, live train innings,
35:00
you know, or the community you can you can click that as well,
35:02
and that'll get you connected to my Facebook page. And so that way we
35:06
can stay in touch. I can you know, share some resources that I've
35:09
got and uh, you know, happy to chat with people who you know
35:14
are are really looking for a change, right and really looking for the ability
35:19
to find that that ability to heal awesome. Um, we'll have that linked
35:22
up at the show notes page at the Trauma divers Podcast dot com. I
35:27
really appreciate you coming on here and sharing your uh, your journey, your
35:31
personal experience because I feel, Joshua, that what you're talking about is at
35:39
the core of a lot of powerful work that's happening right now. I mean,
35:44
I'm thinking obviously of like Joe Dispenza and his work, and um,
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I think you're you're ahead of the curve. Thanks, and what's what's happening
35:57
in terms of therapy. Awesome. I love to have you back, Oh
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May, I'd love to be back. I really appreciate this opportunity. This
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has been fantastic. All right, then we'll be in touch. Take care
36:07
of that. Sounds great, Hate you too, man,