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20190409-DriveTimeAUDIO.mp3 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Jeff Wars. Did you don't checkle Jack Warris? Did you
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Speaker 1: know Jeguars Drive Time? Bryan Sex Sexsday, John Days? Jeffuars
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Speaker 1: Drive Time starts right now? Well, calm morning out there.
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Speaker 1: But where are all those people? Don't they know? We're
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Speaker 1: still celebrating slynn birthday? John? One more big, just one more?
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Speaker 1: There you go? Hey, you only four once, although for
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Speaker 1: John it seems like every day I can remember turning
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Speaker 1: twenty four? Can you remember turning twenty four? That's the
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Speaker 1: real question. Yeah. I took many selfie like that. Does
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Speaker 1: Max have them? No? Yeah, he doesn't need this of it.
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Speaker 1: That was just an Instagram scene that night. You leave
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Speaker 1: me alone. It was my birthday, it was your birthday.
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Speaker 1: Birthdays over it is ready to work? Yeah, I'm ready
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Speaker 1: we go. Hi, welcome, Yes, Tuesday, I got the day right.
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Speaker 1: This week, let's address that John has a pop socket
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Speaker 1: on his phone my phone, so now you can check
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Speaker 1: your email. Of all the people I would think to
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Speaker 1: never have a pop socket, he's one of them. So
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Speaker 1: this is like the most boring week of the off season.
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Speaker 1: Now if you have one of these, apparently, so you'll
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Speaker 1: entertain us. Uh next week, everything seems to pop state
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Speaker 1: of the franchise. I think there's a chance we'll see
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Speaker 1: the schedule next week. Generally it's the week before the draft.
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Speaker 1: It'd be stunned if we don't see the schedule Wednesday Thursday,
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Speaker 1: next week exactly, and then the week after his draft time.
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Speaker 1: So away we go. But this week we're still postulating.
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Speaker 1: Are you tired of that? Do you know? Postulating? Why
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Speaker 1: do we work use these big works? Well, every once
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Speaker 1: in a while we try to expand horizons. One of
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Speaker 1: the reality of it is is we're still all guessing.
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Speaker 1: We're you know, we're trying to make educated guess is
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Speaker 1: about out who, where, when, why relative to the NFL Draft,
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Speaker 1: And that's how we're gonna start big things here. Bryan
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Speaker 1: makes some educated guesses and she'll value for different positions.
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Speaker 1: So why don't you lead us off their birthday girl. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we have the need versus the values of positions that
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Speaker 1: we think the Jaguars are most realistically take in this
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Speaker 1: year's draft. The first one has to be offensive tackle.
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Speaker 1: We know that the struggles that the offensive line had
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Speaker 1: last year, especially on the right side of the line,
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Speaker 1: which makes you think that this guy Jowan Taylor is
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Speaker 1: a likely pick. So I spent some time this weekend
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Speaker 1: with a few coaches, none of whom gave me permission
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Speaker 1: to quote them directly. So here was a general theme.
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Speaker 1: The play has to get started. And these guys were
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Speaker 1: talking about how in recent years you see struggles along
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Speaker 1: the offensive line. I mean, like Borders, whatever quarterback you want,
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Speaker 1: if the play can't get started effectively, it doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: what you do, run or pass. Which means the value
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Speaker 1: at number seven for a player like this, do you
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Speaker 1: want Taylor or some people might tell you Jonah Williams
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Speaker 1: and Andre Dillard crawling to the top ten, the young
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Speaker 1: man from Washington State at number seven, this might be
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Speaker 1: the greatest value position. Yeah, it's a I get a
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Speaker 1: lot of questions about the best available player need that
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Speaker 1: old topic. It's usually a need value access. And what
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Speaker 1: you don't want to do is take the best Like
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Speaker 1: most we don't take the best center, or the best
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Speaker 1: long snapper or the best stuff fullback at this spot.
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Speaker 1: So there is a value to the offensive tackle position. Uh.
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Speaker 1: In this day and age, there's more of a value
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Speaker 1: to right tackle than there used to be. UH. Certainly
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Speaker 1: for the Jaguars, they you would think have their left
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Speaker 1: tackle they had the other four spots. This is a
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Speaker 1: plug and play guy that you can come in. He
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Speaker 1: plays right away, He improves you right away at a
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Speaker 1: position that makes sense. Seven might be a touch high
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Speaker 1: for right tackle, but it's not so high that if
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Speaker 1: he's the best guy out there that he makes sense.
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Speaker 1: There would be a logic if you think Andre Dillard
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Speaker 1: is is a great left tackle way and to happen
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Speaker 1: when some people do, you could see drafting him moving
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Speaker 1: Cam to the right side. I'm not predicting that will happen.
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Speaker 1: You could see the logic in it. So I think
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Speaker 1: this is a case where need meets value at this spot.
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Speaker 1: It's also a historically relatively safe pick in that usually
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Speaker 1: not always, but usually offensive line is a much more
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Speaker 1: predictable rate of success in the first round top ten
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Speaker 1: other positions. And when I say that, everything to say,
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Speaker 1: well what about these bus there's bust every position, but
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Speaker 1: your percentages, it's often safer to take that pick. This
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Speaker 1: pick makes sense for this team. I'd put it about well.
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Speaker 1: And here's why the value stands so strong to me
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Speaker 1: is you don't have a starting right tackle on your roster.
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Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean way he was a number
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Speaker 1: one pick but was on the sidelines last year. I
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Speaker 1: mean it never broke into the Bengals, and the Bengals
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Speaker 1: struggled on the offensive lone. We saw them two years
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Speaker 1: ago here and they were not very good. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: credit Mike Draco ESPN, which I've known Mike for thirty years.
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Speaker 1: I've never credit for anything. Um. He said on the
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Speaker 1: radio a few days ago. Josh Wells might start if
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Speaker 1: I mean in terms of the point, which I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying he'd make it the whole season is he's at
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Speaker 1: energy problems, but he might be your best right tackle
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Speaker 1: in terms of performance. He played very well last year
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Speaker 1: when he was in. But I thought, if you drift
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Speaker 1: this kid right. But I'm saying right now, they signed
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys. They signed Western, they signed Wells,
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Speaker 1: they signed Cincinnati kid. I'm calling my boy. Good job
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Speaker 1: both of you guys. Um, they have a lot of guys.
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Speaker 1: Will Richardson might be eventually a guy, but right now
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Speaker 1: they don't have the guy. This guy would be the
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Speaker 1: And with Will Richardson being hurt most that you really
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Speaker 1: haven't seen much of them at all to show that
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Speaker 1: he could even go in there. But they were excited
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Speaker 1: about him as a fourth round pick. And it's important
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Speaker 1: to note that he hasn't shown anything because he really
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Speaker 1: didn't get a chance. So we'll see. This is his
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Speaker 1: offseason to get stronger. You get the idea that you
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Speaker 1: can go in counting on no, no, no, which is
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Speaker 1: why they've signed all these other guys and why they're
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Speaker 1: looking at potential players like and Andre Dillard, who's more
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Speaker 1: of a left tackle. Uh, the Washington State kid. So
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Speaker 1: maybe you put him over and there's that spider graph again,
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Speaker 1: and you see he's strong. If the inside line on
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Speaker 1: that right, the gray line is the the the average
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Speaker 1: of the draftable players in this draft, you see that
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Speaker 1: he is exceptional in so many ways. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. Maybe they think Cam Robinson is
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Speaker 1: the right tackle. Who knows, but there's an option for them,
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Speaker 1: so we'll see what they do. But tackle seems to
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Speaker 1: be the great value position here. Next up Williams, Well,
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Speaker 1: just real quick, you know Joan is a tackle and
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Speaker 1: Cole a guard in the NFL. Perhaps the combine. Remember
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Speaker 1: I couldn't get past that one. But a guy who
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Speaker 1: could play either side, right, or left if you needed
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Speaker 1: him to. Why do you look so complused about four
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Speaker 1: weeks ahead of me? Can you see me one of
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Speaker 1: those graphics? I can digest it. Those are amazing. So
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Speaker 1: math was not your strong. Throw up the Juwan Taylor
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Speaker 1: graph real quick. Let's go through it with our friend John.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, like a tree. Wait a day minute. That
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Speaker 1: didn't look great. Well, if you read, you see where
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Speaker 1: he's strong and where he's not. Very apparent overall, very
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Speaker 1: good run block run black, very good positive round blockhea.
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Speaker 1: The gray line is the average. So in areas total pressure, right, um, penalties,
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Speaker 1: that's what that says. Not very good, I actually quite poor.
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Speaker 1: We'll see what all that means. But he's considered the
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Speaker 1: highest offensive line prospect in this draft. Well, everybody who
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Speaker 1: does mocks has mocked him to the Jaguars at least once.
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Speaker 1: That's the consensus pick, because it makes so much sense
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Speaker 1: on paper. You look at the roster, you think, right tackle,
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Speaker 1: he's the right tackle. That's the fit. That's the reason
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Speaker 1: that I think somehow it won't happen, because that just doesn't.
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Speaker 1: But uh, he's he's reportedly been here for a visit.
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Speaker 1: He makes sense. I would put him the odds on favorite.
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Speaker 1: Uh again about I would say they're taking that position
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Speaker 1: and taking him, But so much can happen on the draft.
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Speaker 1: That's about as high as I would ever put a
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Speaker 1: guy at number seven Richland, you alluded to it might
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Speaker 1: not happen seventh overall, but an obvious need for the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars is tight end. And you can't say tight end
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Speaker 1: without hearing the two prospects out of Isola, t J.
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Speaker 1: Hopkinson and Noah Family put in earth Smith there as
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Speaker 1: well as the third prospect. But this is obviously a
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Speaker 1: glaring need for this team. But every time you read
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Speaker 1: something or we've even talked about it, taking it tight
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Speaker 1: and seventh overall, they better be pretty dang good. This
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Speaker 1: is I think the least likely for the Jaguars at
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Speaker 1: this point because it is a deeper draft in tight
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Speaker 1: ends than we have seen in recent years. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's the guy whose name is on the tip of
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Speaker 1: everyone's tongue. Uh. It seems like a really good chart,
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Speaker 1: really good art. It seems like he's stronger than the
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Speaker 1: average and almost every capacity. He's a big guy, good,
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Speaker 1: great blocker from what we hear. At least he was
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Speaker 1: the University of Iowa. Uh runs great routes, knows how
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Speaker 1: to ladder his way up the field and find the
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Speaker 1: zones and spots and it gets open and is a
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Speaker 1: reliable target. And it makes sense from the perspective of
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Speaker 1: when you look at what Nick Foles was able to
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Speaker 1: do in Philly. He threw at the tight end but
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Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen percent of the time, So this would
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Speaker 1: seem to make sense. And he looks like he's one
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Speaker 1: of the better prospects coming out in recent years. However,
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Speaker 1: there is a death to this position in the draft,
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Speaker 1: and guys will be a liable in round two and
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Speaker 1: round three where the Jaguars have two picks. Yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: a fall in love factor that happens in the first
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Speaker 1: round two. And there is something about this kid that
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Speaker 1: makes you wonder if at number seven you can fall
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Speaker 1: in love with him and just say we've got to
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Speaker 1: have that, you know, the the sentimental fool. I'm a
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Speaker 1: sentimental fool slength you know, says boy. I'd like to
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Speaker 1: see him take this position because it's been so long
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Speaker 1: since they've had it. They've never really had a guy
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Speaker 1: like this, you know, They've had good tight ends and
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Speaker 1: the closest thing they had to this, although he wasn't
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Speaker 1: the blocker was Pete Mitchell right right, and and and
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Speaker 1: he wasn't remotely the block They've never had a complete
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Speaker 1: player at this spot. And in this day and age,
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Speaker 1: you sort of get the idea that as a league,
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Speaker 1: it's going to trend more and more towards tight ends
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Speaker 1: going this high. If they're as good as this guy,
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Speaker 1: you could see this value going up over the next
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Speaker 1: ten years. Maybe this is the or that you get
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Speaker 1: ahead of that. Take that guy. I don't think it'll happen.
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Speaker 1: Those would be the arguments for taking that guy. But
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Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. I think it's so deep
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Speaker 1: that these guys, meaning the Jaguars decision makers, think that
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Speaker 1: you can pass here and get value in the third.
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Speaker 1: That's interesting because the guy like Noah fanse is climbing
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Speaker 1: the charts right, which is he's starting to get momentum,
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Speaker 1: but his chart isn't nearly as good as Hockinson's rider.
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Speaker 1: It's not athletically though. The word on this kid, though,
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Speaker 1: is his upside is so much greater. He's a freakish athlete,
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Speaker 1: explosive in the middle of the field and you're starting
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Speaker 1: to see him, you know, right around the top ten
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Speaker 1: um somewhere from Detroit which is eight, all the way
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Speaker 1: down to Green Bay at thirteen, where he seems to
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Speaker 1: where he seems to make a lot of sense. And
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Speaker 1: his rise is bringing herb Smith up right because all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, tight end needy teams are thinking, well,
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Speaker 1: I might not be able to wait until the top
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Speaker 1: of the second round. Uh. The Sternberger kid from A
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Speaker 1: and M, who was an All American last year, he's
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Speaker 1: climbing into the second round. This move towards tight end.
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Speaker 1: There's great value on it, but you could see that
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Speaker 1: sentimental side of it come in and people say, I
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Speaker 1: gotta get my tight end, and I gotta get him
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Speaker 1: now there could be a run on the tight end position. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's uh, it's really a spot where you feel like
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Speaker 1: if you don't have it, you're missing a huge piece
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Speaker 1: of the offense. And I don't know that that was
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Speaker 1: the case as much, you know, twenty years ago, and
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Speaker 1: teams have always used the tight end. That sounds dim
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Speaker 1: to say, but it just feels like it's a half
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Speaker 1: to now guys like Kelsey and Ertz and Gronk, who's
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Speaker 1: retired obviously, but uh, big plays and the Jaguars tried
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Speaker 1: to get an element of it with Julius Thomas, just
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Speaker 1: work out he was too much a receiver to uh,
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Speaker 1: you'll really be a good tight end in this offense.
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Speaker 1: They've got to get it addressed somehow. I wrote on
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Speaker 1: Friday that nine percent chance to me they take this
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Speaker 1: position on day one or day two. Well, and I
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Speaker 1: think that the dynamic right now is there are some
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Speaker 1: tackles right tackles, the kid from West Virginia whose name
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Speaker 1: I can't even begin to pronounce, the kid from Washington,
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Speaker 1: Caleb McGrory, who might be there at thirty eight, which
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Speaker 1: might tempt them thinking that the tight end position is climbing,
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Speaker 1: You may have to take your tight end early on,
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Speaker 1: whether that's at seven or trying to back up. If
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Speaker 1: there's a defensive player that someone wants into the thirteen range,
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Speaker 1: you may have to go tight end tackle instead of
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Speaker 1: tackle tight end because there are some guys at the
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Speaker 1: top of the second round who would fit your offensive
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Speaker 1: line profile. The conventional wisdom, and I don't know how
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Speaker 1: analytics backs this up, but the conventional wisdom is offensive
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Speaker 1: line is a risky late first round, early second, because
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Speaker 1: the feeling is always if they're good NFL big time
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman and worth the first round pick, they're gone
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Speaker 1: in the top twenty, whereas conventional wisdom also tells you
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Speaker 1: the tight end, you can often find them first, second,
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Speaker 1: and third round. So if you're conventional wisdom thinking your
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Speaker 1: tailor and then a tight or a a right tackle
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Speaker 1: and in a tight end what we're talking about, I'll
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Speaker 1: be interested to see again how tight end changes and
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Speaker 1: sort of blows up that conventional wisdom as we go forward,
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Speaker 1: because the physician is gaining so much importance. They wrote
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Speaker 1: a huge check to bring Nick Foles in here, I
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Speaker 1: don't put it past them to ignore conventional wisdom and
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Speaker 1: go grab a tight end with their first round pick
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Speaker 1: because of the need to give him some weapons. Does
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Speaker 1: not have a tight end on this roster right now
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Speaker 1: that he can, as you like to point out, know
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Speaker 1: exactly where he's going to be on every plug. You
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Speaker 1: talked about Dallas Clark all those years with Peyton Manning.
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Speaker 1: They knew each other, right now, you don't have that,
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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't put it past him to overlook the
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Speaker 1: greater value of perhaps did you want Taylor for Hawkinson
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Speaker 1: or a fan, whichever one they liked better, and then
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Speaker 1: try to make up the tackle position somewhere early in
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Speaker 1: the second round. Right, they've clearly tried to do what
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Speaker 1: they like to do, which is being able to line
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Speaker 1: up at both spots, and yet at both spots you
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Speaker 1: also look at and say, well, they can line up,
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Speaker 1: but how confident are you and what you've got to
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Speaker 1: line up with? And if someone goes down? Then what
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Speaker 1: brings us to big thing three? And this is probably
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Speaker 1: the greatest X factor of the full first round, and
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Speaker 1: that is defensive line, you would say, and you make
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Speaker 1: the argument that maybe they have one of the better
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Speaker 1: defensive lines in the league right now, and they don't
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Speaker 1: have a glaring need there except for the replacement of
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Speaker 1: Calais Campbell eventually. But this is such a talented and
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Speaker 1: there's so many options at defensive line in this draft
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Speaker 1: that we've talked about for weeks, you might not be
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Speaker 1: able to pass up on someone like that at number seven. Well,
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Speaker 1: and it's both edge rushers and interior defensive pressure, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean you had in one of your mock drafts,
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Speaker 1: I believe the Williams kid from Alabama sliding through because
15:51
Speaker 1: of the quarterback maneuvers in the top five and because
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Speaker 1: of the edge rusher craving, And I don't think you
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Speaker 1: can pass that up. You can never pass up a
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Speaker 1: great player whose spider chart looks like that. It's a
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Speaker 1: good chart, it's a good looking chart. Look, he's better
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Speaker 1: than the average. He's at the exceptional level in so
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Speaker 1: many ways. And that's just one guy, right, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you throw up Josh Allen, the kid from Kentucky, the
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Speaker 1: other edge rusher who's getting all sorts of attention, um
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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa. I mean to throw them all up their look.
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Speaker 1: I mean there aren't many guys who have that look. Well,
16:29
Speaker 1: that's gonna drive people's interest up for them, which may
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Speaker 1: give you that chance to back up a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's so depending on what's teams of
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Speaker 1: upbove the Jaguars or quarterback hungry. Well, so what you
16:39
Speaker 1: hope is is that there are teams behind the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: who are quarterback hungry, who are willing to go up,
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Speaker 1: which means it pushes a great player to you, which
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Speaker 1: brings other teams up. Do you think, yeah? To me,
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Speaker 1: the big X factor in this draft when I wrote
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Speaker 1: about this on Friday and try to go through the
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Speaker 1: scenarios how much How realistic is it that people are
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Speaker 1: going to crave Dwayne Haskins at seven or Drew Lock
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Speaker 1: If they do, you know your chances. I feel like
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Speaker 1: trades in the first round, our teams coming up after quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: because I think that will hold true in this draft
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Speaker 1: because you have so many edge rushers that I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if people are going to come up
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Speaker 1: for an edge rusher because there's a perception that there's
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Speaker 1: so many of them out there. It's gonna take somebody
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Speaker 1: needing one of those quarterbacks. And then if you do,
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Speaker 1: how far back are you really willing? If you're dropping
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Speaker 1: back to fifteen, Uh, that gets scary because maybe you're
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Speaker 1: missing a chance on a great player. So that's always
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Speaker 1: the edge. Do you really want to trade back even
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Speaker 1: though it looks like you should want to trade back. Um,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I would trade out of seven
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Speaker 1: if it means risking a chance to get one of
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Speaker 1: these guys who looks elite in the top seven. Well,
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Speaker 1: I I don't have their gray, but I see eight
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Speaker 1: or nine guys who carry that elite level player, which
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Speaker 1: means you're going to get one of them. Well know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If you stay at seven, you're in
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Speaker 1: the money right now in terms of that. So if
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Speaker 1: you back out of it, you better get enough compensation,
18:16
Speaker 1: right You better get two twos or three into two.
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Speaker 1: You better get something to overcome you giving up that
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Speaker 1: elite player, and they're going to get someone who's gonna
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Speaker 1: make a difference on their team this year at seven.
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Speaker 1: If if they are, if they are dead set ongoing
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Speaker 1: offensive line, then that trade back makes sense because you
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Speaker 1: figure you can get Williams, Dillard, Taylor, somebody out of
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Speaker 1: that bunch. You figure it would be available fourteen or fifteen.
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Speaker 1: You would think if Haskins is sitting there at seven,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine they don't get calls somebody coming up.
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Speaker 1: Even though his name appears to be one that's waning
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Speaker 1: right now that he's sliding. Drew Lock's name is much
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Speaker 1: more prevalent when you talk to people about quarterback prospects
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18:57
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19:00
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19:05
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19:08
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19:11
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19:14
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19:21
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Speaker 1: Brian Ashlyn John here with you, Joe Max alongside, we'll
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Speaker 1: go for the next ten or fifteen minutes. You know,
21:25
Speaker 1: invariably no one seems to care at all. There's some
21:28
Speaker 1: two round box and some three round box, and obviously
21:30
Speaker 1: it gets more difficult to project, so it just kind
21:33
Speaker 1: of gets washed. The first round is where everybody focuses,
21:37
Speaker 1: and the second round is where there's great value. Especially
21:41
Speaker 1: in this draft. The word is is that you can
21:43
Speaker 1: go all the way through the third round and find starters,
21:48
Speaker 1: even some day one guys who can come in and
21:50
Speaker 1: be impact players for your football team. So with that
21:52
Speaker 1: in mind, we're taking a look at round two and
21:54
Speaker 1: where we see the Jaguars being able to mind for
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Speaker 1: some gold mine, for some gold What you up now?
22:00
Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna say, guys, especially John, but
22:03
Speaker 1: I got Will Greer. I watched him play when I
22:05
Speaker 1: was covering Florida. Knew it was going to happen. You know,
22:09
Speaker 1: we've never taken a self field like that. There's time
22:13
Speaker 1: after going to the NFL Combine with John, I was
22:15
Speaker 1: so impressed with just his confidence overall. To go up
22:18
Speaker 1: at the podium with Haskins and Kyler Murray right next
22:20
Speaker 1: to him and him saying, you know, I'm the best
22:22
Speaker 1: quarterback in this class. His ball placement is one of
22:25
Speaker 1: the best in the class three hundred sixty four past seniards.
22:29
Speaker 1: I'm also not convinced with Folds that you don't need
22:32
Speaker 1: a rookie in here, because yes, you paid him all
22:34
Speaker 1: this money and contractually it says that he's your guy.
22:37
Speaker 1: But we haven't seen on the field yet. What happens
22:39
Speaker 1: if an injury occurs, then you're putting in Cody Kessler.
22:42
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced. I think second round it's not out
22:46
Speaker 1: of this world to take a rookie quarterback. I'd be surprised.
22:50
Speaker 1: Um it makes sense for the reasons that Ashelon outline,
22:56
Speaker 1: she got that going for you at I do wonder
22:59
Speaker 1: how infinitely they are in Kessler behind um Folds, But
23:06
Speaker 1: I think if if they weren't, I sort of think
23:09
Speaker 1: they'd have done something by now, because you would get
23:11
Speaker 1: a veteran in here before April fifteen. If if if
23:15
Speaker 1: you're planning to do it, so, does that mean they're
23:16
Speaker 1: going to try to draft and develop. My theory is
23:20
Speaker 1: they won't because if you're going to take one of
23:22
Speaker 1: those Dave one two picks, I think you would take
23:26
Speaker 1: a guy that you believe is special and a starter,
23:29
Speaker 1: which means you're doing at number seven. Otherwise you're trying
23:32
Speaker 1: to win now and you need your guys to play
23:33
Speaker 1: right away. Uh. The knock on career is that there's
23:37
Speaker 1: nothing that absolutely stands out and wows you. There's no
23:41
Speaker 1: unbelievable arm talent like the guys in the first round. Dude,
23:43
Speaker 1: that's why he's not listed in the first round. If
23:46
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a quarterback here, then I agree. I
23:48
Speaker 1: think it'd be greer. Okay. Um. I don't see the
23:52
Speaker 1: quarterback either, although I am the best player available and
23:57
Speaker 1: quarterback is the most important position of the field. So
23:59
Speaker 1: if he's got the high is great on the board,
24:01
Speaker 1: then take it, because you never ever pass on the
24:07
Speaker 1: top player on your board. The only reason I wonder
24:09
Speaker 1: about it is he would have to come in and
24:12
Speaker 1: be your backup, I would think, or or you're keeping
24:14
Speaker 1: three and uh one snap away rookie quarterback. It scares
24:20
Speaker 1: you because then all of a sudden, you're not really
24:23
Speaker 1: backing your your quarterback up is something you believe is
24:25
Speaker 1: gonna win now. So it's a weird spot there. And
24:30
Speaker 1: and and I'll admit to not being able to quite
24:32
Speaker 1: figure out what I think their strategy is there. Well,
24:35
Speaker 1: I don't hold a lot of confidence in Cody custom
24:37
Speaker 1: last and what we saw last year. So if this
24:40
Speaker 1: kid has a high grade on the board, I don't know.
24:42
Speaker 1: I mean, if you lose your starting quarterback in this
24:44
Speaker 1: game most of the time, you're in trouble. Anyway, if
24:46
Speaker 1: you think this is a guy who couldn't develop, then
24:49
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with him doing that, although
24:50
Speaker 1: I don't see it likely. Um. I think what's likely
24:53
Speaker 1: is the Jaguars go tight end in the second round.
24:56
Speaker 1: And we just talked about fant and Smith iming and
25:00
Speaker 1: catching Hawkinson. In terms of where they might go, I
25:03
Speaker 1: I think the stern Burger kid from Texas A and M,
25:06
Speaker 1: who was an interesting kid. He started at Kansas, then
25:09
Speaker 1: transferred to A and M. So he sat out in
25:11
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen, played in two thousand and eighteen and
25:15
Speaker 1: put up good numbers. Was an All American. Uh, great
25:18
Speaker 1: catch radius right, got long arms and big hands, makes
25:21
Speaker 1: plays in traffic. Is an explosive athlete. Now he doesn't
25:23
Speaker 1: block at all, so he doesn't give you that if
25:26
Speaker 1: if that's what you have to have that is not
25:28
Speaker 1: his game. But he only played one year at Texas
25:32
Speaker 1: A and M that's it, didn't really play Kansas and
25:34
Speaker 1: obviously had the sit. So he's got lots of upside
25:37
Speaker 1: in terms of his ability to develop as a player.
25:40
Speaker 1: Got a pretty good frame on him. But the thing
25:42
Speaker 1: I like about him is he's a get down the seam,
25:45
Speaker 1: make a tight catch in traffic, and turn up the
25:47
Speaker 1: field and make a play. He's got explosiveness to him. Um.
25:51
Speaker 1: I like him, and I think he's a second round
25:53
Speaker 1: pick right now. Based on the way that the tight
25:55
Speaker 1: end position is getting momentum up the board, hump, I
25:57
Speaker 1: would not be surprised to see him go this ro oute. Um.
26:00
Speaker 1: The only X factor would be if there is a
26:03
Speaker 1: push on tight ends like you're talking about in the
26:05
Speaker 1: first round. It's conceivable that the ones they like at
26:09
Speaker 1: that second round position, it could be gone in the
26:12
Speaker 1: first round, and then the strategy then might make sense
26:16
Speaker 1: to wait until the third round because there's so many
26:18
Speaker 1: available if they go second round. This kid makes a
26:21
Speaker 1: lot of sense. This is a kid who's climbing and you, sir,
26:25
Speaker 1: oh uh I went Jalen ferguson the edge rusher from
26:29
Speaker 1: Louisiana tech uh. And the reason for that isn't so
26:33
Speaker 1: much Hymn specifically, it was to discuss the concept of
26:37
Speaker 1: if they don't go edge rusher with that plethora of
26:41
Speaker 1: edge rushers who available on the top ten, all of
26:44
Speaker 1: a sudden you're in a weird spot because much like
26:47
Speaker 1: offensive line teams generally, it's a little scary to draft
26:52
Speaker 1: edge rusher late in the first round earlier in the
26:55
Speaker 1: second because conventional wisdom is those guys are so important,
26:59
Speaker 1: so special that if there, if they're capable of being
27:04
Speaker 1: big time in the NFL, then they're probably going in
27:08
Speaker 1: the top twenty unless you find a unique in Goguay
27:10
Speaker 1: who slides so but it gets so rare, so like
27:14
Speaker 1: quarterback with that, it gets so rare, it's really rolling
27:18
Speaker 1: the dice after that spot. So there are teams that
27:21
Speaker 1: shy away from you know, second round scares him because
27:26
Speaker 1: their thought is if I'm taking in the second round,
27:28
Speaker 1: why am I not taking them in the first. But
27:31
Speaker 1: it makes sense because this kid has a first round
27:33
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27:36
Speaker 1: off field stuff that kept him out of the combine.
27:38
Speaker 1: So he's a guy. If you're going edge rusher, it
27:43
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Speaker 1: from Orange Park, Florida. I think I still think losing
29:57
Speaker 1: to Shaun Gibson is going to bite us. What you
30:00
Speaker 1: think about Jared Wilson's abilities as a replacement? Also seriously
30:04
Speaker 1: lacking depth of that position, aren't we Well, it's uh,
30:09
Speaker 1: it's an X factor every season you have to go
30:11
Speaker 1: in with a few that you don't know, and you
30:14
Speaker 1: frankly don't know how Jared Wilson will play over a
30:16
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30:19
Speaker 1: the starter alongside Ronnie Harrison. I don't think it'll be
30:21
Speaker 1: as distinct a free strong situation as it's been in
30:25
Speaker 1: the past. UM, meaning all the times safeties sort of
30:30
Speaker 1: played different versions of that role. It's more of a hybrid. See.
30:34
Speaker 1: I see those guys being more of that than the
30:36
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30:41
Speaker 1: I think they are then. Uh, I don't agree with
30:44
Speaker 1: some of these draftniks who are saying it's their second
30:46
Speaker 1: biggest position to need. UM. I think they'll take it
30:50
Speaker 1: fourth through seventh round somewhere to give them depth there.
30:55
Speaker 1: But I don't see them going that way in the
30:57
Speaker 1: first round. And you know, Uh, to John, I think
31:01
Speaker 1: losing him on some level will hurt. But out of
31:04
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31:07
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31:09
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31:11
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31:13
Speaker 1: You can't have depth at every position, especially when you
31:16
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31:20
Speaker 1: defensive roster. You're going to give something up. It had
31:23
Speaker 1: in a seven point four five million dollar cap hit
31:26
Speaker 1: for a free safety who is good and fit your defense,
31:30
Speaker 1: but not elite. It was time to move on. Uh.
31:33
Speaker 1: He was an undrafted rookie free agent, by the way,
31:35
Speaker 1: and so is Wilson. Wilson is taller, he is bigger,
31:40
Speaker 1: he is longer. What we don't know whether he has
31:44
Speaker 1: Art Shawn's instincts. Gibson had exceptionally good instincts in the
31:49
Speaker 1: passing game. He showed us that when we went to
31:51
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl with Cleveland and we saw it here.
31:53
Speaker 1: Now he had some breakdowns at times as well. Those
31:56
Speaker 1: were more physical than instinctual. We have to find out
32:00
Speaker 1: and they're trusting that Wilson has shown them enough on
32:03
Speaker 1: the practice field, not on the game field, on the
32:05
Speaker 1: practice field that he has instincts to play that position.
32:08
Speaker 1: If you're going to be a sustainable winning team in
32:11
Speaker 1: this league, sometimes you have to trust what you've targeted
32:16
Speaker 1: and are developing DJ Chark a little bit of a
32:20
Speaker 1: different story, but similar in a sense. You have to
32:24
Speaker 1: trust what you've seen in practice, what you've scattered, what
32:27
Speaker 1: you believe, and trust that you're going to see it
32:29
Speaker 1: on the field when observers haven't had a chance to
32:31
Speaker 1: see it yet. I think Wilson and Chark are similar
32:33
Speaker 1: in that sense. I saw some flashes from Wilson last
32:35
Speaker 1: year in the preseason and particularly that made me think, oh,
32:38
Speaker 1: he's got a roster spot, there's enough there, and on
32:40
Speaker 1: special teams, and late in the year when he was
32:42
Speaker 1: in the game, saw some stuff you can't pay high
32:44
Speaker 1: dollar high draft for a positions. You were confident he
32:47
Speaker 1: was at least going to make the team. Last priests,
32:49
Speaker 1: I remember us talking about that. All right, let's go
32:51
Speaker 1: Bruce from Georgia. Please stop the band aid approach, think
32:55
Speaker 1: long term and draft Haskins. There's gonna be fIF the people,
33:00
Speaker 1: the readers who want this. UM. I wouldn't mind it.
33:04
Speaker 1: I don't think it will happen. But I think the
33:07
Speaker 1: flaw in the thinking here for some people is there's
33:12
Speaker 1: still sort of a thing out there that they see
33:14
Speaker 1: folds as a band aid approach, as a one or
33:16
Speaker 1: two year guy, And I don't know if he has
33:19
Speaker 1: or not, but I think what people need to understand
33:21
Speaker 1: is that's not how they think it. If he was
33:24
Speaker 1: thirty five, you'd see it as a band aid. He's thirty,
33:27
Speaker 1: and look at how many quarterbacks play well into they're
33:30
Speaker 1: late thirties. Now they have to trust that they're right
33:33
Speaker 1: about him. But when they and again, it doesn't mean
33:36
Speaker 1: they're right. When you're trying to explain to people why
33:39
Speaker 1: they make moves they make, they're thinking, is not that
33:43
Speaker 1: we're bringing him in as a one or two year
33:45
Speaker 1: a gay. So that's why, as much as I wouldn't
33:49
Speaker 1: mind them doing Haskins, I don't think they'll go that
33:52
Speaker 1: route because they don't see Folds as a short term
33:54
Speaker 1: stop gast talking to people over there, they don't the
33:57
Speaker 1: four year deal he's going to play into that, you know,
34:00
Speaker 1: barring injury or barring a total collapse, which no one anticipates.
34:04
Speaker 1: But they have a long term view with him. It's
34:06
Speaker 1: not just when they went to the card of playing
34:10
Speaker 1: with the Folds, a lot of people looked at it, well,
34:12
Speaker 1: they're trying to win now, Well, of course they're trying
34:15
Speaker 1: to win. Now, that's what he does. That's what Tom
34:16
Speaker 1: and and that's why you keep clayss right. But they
34:21
Speaker 1: see him as transforming this team from the defensive running
34:26
Speaker 1: team to eventually passing team that is the staple of
34:30
Speaker 1: the modern NFL. They think he's that guy. That's why
34:32
Speaker 1: they give him the big contract in the big books.
34:35
Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap it up with Limo Bob from
34:38
Speaker 1: Neptune Beach, Florida. With all these free agent signings, do
34:42
Speaker 1: you believe we are positioned to move up in the draft?
34:45
Speaker 1: Limo Bob really does drive by the good guy? Um? Yeah, there,
34:55
Speaker 1: they are in better position straight up in the draft
34:58
Speaker 1: because they're creating signs. But I don't think that that's
35:01
Speaker 1: why they're doing it the free agent signings. As we
35:04
Speaker 1: discussed on this show before their approaches, we're gonna take
35:08
Speaker 1: free agency and make sure we fill up our depth chart.
35:12
Speaker 1: We're gonna make sure we would look on on our
35:15
Speaker 1: white board we have enough tight ends to line up
35:17
Speaker 1: and would feel okay there, we have enough right tackles
35:19
Speaker 1: line up, We feel okay there. So they want to
35:22
Speaker 1: go into the draft like that so that they're not
35:25
Speaker 1: sitting there when the board starts counting down over here going,
35:29
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this right tackles gone, this right tackles gone,
35:32
Speaker 1: and now there's five right tackles gone, and we have
35:35
Speaker 1: to take a guy who stinks here because we've got
35:38
Speaker 1: a slot up there that we're worried about. So they
35:41
Speaker 1: want to be able to draft as much as possible
35:43
Speaker 1: without regard to need. But certainly being in that situation
35:48
Speaker 1: over here enables you more freedom on draft day. But
35:51
Speaker 1: I don't think it's specific. We have to do this
35:54
Speaker 1: so that we can trade. What are the Jets pay
35:56
Speaker 1: last year to go up with the Colts? The Cults
35:59
Speaker 1: were six believe it was to move up to spots.
36:02
Speaker 1: I think it was three second round pass. There's no
36:04
Speaker 1: way the Jaguars are going up, No way. They need
36:07
Speaker 1: so many things on offense. They need a tackle, they
36:10
Speaker 1: need a tight end that may need to tight ends.
36:12
Speaker 1: They need a running back. You're not going to trade
36:14
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36:18
Speaker 1: gets you those players for one guy. I don't think
36:21
Speaker 1: they're in better position if they wanted to, but I
36:24
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36:26
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36:28
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36:30
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36:32
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36:37
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36:40
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36:43
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Speaker 1: going to third round last year. Guess who it was,
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Speaker 1: Jenny and gonna be this young man they went to
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Speaker 1: the jag Oh the drama. Big news around the league
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Speaker 1: yesterday was Nick Saban and Ronnie Harrison For context and
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Speaker 1: we'll get your opinion after the tweets. Nick Saban was
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Speaker 1: on a telephone call and said, if Ronnie Harrison would
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Speaker 1: have come back for a senior year, he could have
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Speaker 1: been a first round talent and cost himself millions of
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Speaker 1: dollars by not doing so. Ronnie Harrison tweets back this week,
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Speaker 1: tweet that's going to be in our top tweets, number
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Speaker 1: one tweets to tweets tweets top tweets. Coaches get so
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Speaker 1: but hurt nowadays about a kid making a decision to
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Speaker 1: live out his dreams and go pro makes me think,
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Speaker 1: do you really care about the success of the kid
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Speaker 1: or how well your program performs? Tweeting that back at
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Speaker 1: Nick Saban, who says that Ronnie should have come back
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Speaker 1: for his senior season because he cost himself millions of
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Speaker 1: dollars doing so well. The best part of the tweets
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Speaker 1: keep your name out to your mouth or hashtag keep
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Speaker 1: my name at your math. I like, well, and here's
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Speaker 1: what my guess is having. I don't know Nick Saban,
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Speaker 1: but my guesses he was trying to make a point,
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Speaker 1: and his point probably got away from him a little bit,
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Speaker 1: and he used Ronnie Harrison as an example. I doubt
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Speaker 1: he was trying to criticize Ronnie. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 1: know why he would, so I would give Nick the
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Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt in that sense. He was probably
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Speaker 1: trying to make a point that I can't imagine him
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Speaker 1: really trying to be critical Ronnie Harrison. I don't know
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Speaker 1: why he would. I don't know the relationship, but I
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Speaker 1: can certainly see why Ronnie in this day and age,
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Speaker 1: when things sort of get going, would have taken that
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Speaker 1: as he does. And you know, if if a kid
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Speaker 1: wants to come out, it's his right to come out.
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Speaker 1: So in that sense, uh, I kind of ran the
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Speaker 1: numbers in this a little bit. Yesterday. He wouldn't even
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Speaker 1: if he had been like a late first round pick,
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't have made nearly as much more as Saban's
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Speaker 1: quote kind of indicated, but it's uh, again, come out
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Speaker 1: when you want to come out, because you're losing money
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Speaker 1: every year that you don't. So there's so many different
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Speaker 1: angles to both men are looking out for their boat,
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Speaker 1: for their their enlightened self interest, right, Um Saban is
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Speaker 1: put that tweet back up, would you? Max? Um Saban
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Speaker 1: is of course looking out for his program first and foremost, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're coaching team, you're not looking out
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Speaker 1: for the individual more than you're looking out for the program.
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Speaker 1: So he's looking out for his own enlightened self interest,
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Speaker 1: and obviously Ronnie Harrison is as well. They're looking out
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Speaker 1: to make the best move for themselves, which is it's
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Speaker 1: just the nature of football. Now here's my band on this.
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Speaker 1: You've got a coach who's making NFL head coaching money,
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Speaker 1: coaching players, some of whom could could be making NFL money.
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Speaker 1: Who are you to tell them? No, you got yours? Right?
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Speaker 1: If I'm a player and I see the coach making money,
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Speaker 1: and the coordinators in college football make a ton of money,
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Speaker 1: now heck, the staff makes what NFL coaches make. But
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Speaker 1: I can't touch that because I'm supposed to be here
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Speaker 1: playing for you so that you win more championships. If
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Speaker 1: in my comment at the top was I can't believe
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Speaker 1: that Nick was really trying to go after if if
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Speaker 1: he was, it was dead wrong. It opens a can
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Speaker 1: of worms, John, because we saw a couple of years
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Speaker 1: ago when the Northwestern players tried to unionize. Right, you
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Speaker 1: have all these players who are putting their bodies at
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Speaker 1: risk every week for coaches who are already paid. That's
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Speaker 1: what I don't like about college football is is that
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Speaker 1: now you tell these kids they have to stay for
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Speaker 1: three years or four years. My senses, if you can go.
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting, there's an article this morning and it's
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Speaker 1: not coincidenced by the way it was written yesterday. You know,
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Speaker 1: on the Sports Illustrated side, kylin Ka here wrote one
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Speaker 1: where she talked to NFL personnel people about who could
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Speaker 1: have come out after one year. Right, give me some
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Speaker 1: players who pastor present, who could play in the NFL
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Speaker 1: as teenagers. There aren't many. Very Adrian Peterson comes to mind.
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Speaker 1: Most kids won't come out after one year because they can't.
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Speaker 1: But everyone should be able to leave when they're ready
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Speaker 1: to leave. Everybody absolutely should have the right. But in
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Speaker 1: no way should they be paid to play college football.
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Speaker 1: But I'm not and I'm not advocating that. What I'm
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Speaker 1: indicating is is kids, when kids have the right, when
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Speaker 1: kids have the chance to go, when they're told by
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Speaker 1: whatever committee, kind of like the NBA works. When they're
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Speaker 1: told by whatever committee, Yep, you're gonna come in, You're
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Speaker 1: gonna be a seventh round pick. They should be able
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Speaker 1: to make their mind up after the freshman year, of
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Speaker 1: the sophomore year, the junior year, whatever. Eliminate this. Coaches
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Speaker 1: don't want that and a third round pick in the NFL,
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Speaker 1: unlike the NBA where there is no third round. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: a third round safety is going to get every ample
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Speaker 1: tune to make the roster. He's probably gonna be a
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Speaker 1: starter by coming out early. Remember, he gets a year
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Speaker 1: closer early to the second contract, and also gets a
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Speaker 1: year more to play in the league, which in a
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Speaker 1: short career, if he plays eight years rather than seven
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Speaker 1: at the end of his career, could be a couple
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Speaker 1: million dollar. And let's not forget just because you stay
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Speaker 1: an extra year or two doesn't mean you're going to
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Speaker 1: go from being a third round pick to the first round.
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Speaker 1: Right guarantees, no guarantees at all. Some guy can hurt, right,
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Speaker 1: or some guys just are a third round talents. That's
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Speaker 1: as good as they are, right, Some aren't. Some are
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Speaker 1: well get it is. Look at marsh and l Adam
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Speaker 1: Are the kid from South Carolina came back, would have
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Speaker 1: been a millionaire, came back. It was never the same
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Speaker 1: when he got running back. Absolutely, that's always the risk.
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Speaker 1: So if they want to come out, they should be
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Speaker 1: allowed to come. And then you know, just to be
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Speaker 1: fair that the converse is Josh Allen, the pass rusher
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Speaker 1: from Kentucky who stayed an extra year. He probably would
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Speaker 1: have been a third round pick. And if he does
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Speaker 1: come out, that's where he goes. But he stays and
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Speaker 1: he makes more money. So you can point out both.
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Speaker 1: All I'm advocating for is if I'm a freshman and
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Speaker 1: I'm Adrian Peterson and or Moris Clarett thought he was
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Speaker 1: the guy, and I can come out, let me test
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Speaker 1: the waters, figure out a way to let me test
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Speaker 1: the waters. A opening his mouth like that when he's
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Speaker 1: already getting paid, it's not going to get any sympathy.
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Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen. Another proponent to that
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Speaker 1: that John mentioned is the risk of injury. Lane Kiffin,
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Speaker 1: who used to be at Alabama, pointed this out. If
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Speaker 1: sixty juniors got second and third round grades, how would
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Speaker 1: they all go in the top fifteen if they come back,
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Speaker 1: some come back and going worse rounds than what their
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Speaker 1: junior grades were. Love when kids live and fulfill their dreams.
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Speaker 1: What do you say if they get hurt and loose?
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Speaker 1: Hashtag Mark Matt Matt Barkley, who's a huge example of that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: point I R guaranteed. Yeah. So let's wrap up top
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Speaker 1: tweets with more drama. What's going on with this league
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Speaker 1: right now? With Antonio bount and Juju Smith Schuster I
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Speaker 1: don't care Field sweeps this out, which was a Instagram
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Speaker 1: message that Juju since Antonio Brown his junior, basically asking
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Speaker 1: him for advice about how well he performs in the league.
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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown tweets this out as some type of insults,
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Speaker 1: but it makes Juju Smiths shoes to look even better.
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Speaker 1: So I'm a little confused what the motive was there.
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Speaker 1: If I was, the Raiders would be really worried right now,
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Speaker 1: because what Brown should be happy He's left Pittsburgh he's
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Speaker 1: here with us. We have paid him, we have given
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Speaker 1: him the adelation that he needed, the adulation that he
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Speaker 1: you know, we love him, and he is still focused
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Speaker 1: on the past when I need him focused on the present. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'd be worried about that I had paid a guy
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Speaker 1: who was not going to be with me. I always
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Speaker 1: try to step back, and you know, I'm a firm
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Speaker 1: believer that you don't really know what's going on in
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Speaker 1: somebody's head, so you can't really know their motivation. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what you guys are thinking other than you
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Speaker 1: want to get me off the air. But um, certainly,
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Speaker 1: if Brown's true nature is what he is showing in
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Speaker 1: recent weeks on Instagram, which or social wherever, which is
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Speaker 1: constantly worried about his other team, then I'd be worried too.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's all in act, Maybe all that goes away
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Speaker 1: when training camp starts and he'll be fantastic, focused, whatever.
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Speaker 1: But I'm with you, it's uh, it's a bizarre way
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Speaker 1: to behave when you've gotten what you want. Our mutual
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Speaker 1: friend Vic Catchman used to talk about free agents who
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Speaker 1: left Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh was a place where players were treated very,
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Speaker 1: very well, um the championship. Pedigrees there being a Steeler
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Speaker 1: meant something. And he always used to point out that
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Speaker 1: guys who leave in free agency, they always kind of
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Speaker 1: want to be back there. They didn't want to leave
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Speaker 1: because very few places are like Pittsburgh. And I can't
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Speaker 1: help but read about Brown and think all he wants
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Speaker 1: to do is be back in Pittsburgh. And he's piste
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Speaker 1: off because he had to leave. I never wanted to leave,
47:39
Speaker 1: never want to leave in the first place. It's a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a different situation. Levy on Bell's situation
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Speaker 1: was a little different because he was a running back
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Speaker 1: and there's a weird pay versus value age equation going
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Speaker 1: on the running backs right now that I can kind
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Speaker 1: of separate that a little bit. Uh, Antonio Brown could
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Speaker 1: have and should have been a legend for life in Pittsburgh,
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Speaker 1: and Uh, it's it's just a very very strange story.
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Speaker 1: And my guess is, knowing a little bit about the
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Speaker 1: Steelers organization, as good as he was, they're doing cartwheels
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Speaker 1: that he there anymore, and they can't wait for him
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Speaker 1: to just stop talking about that. Stay tuned on the
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Speaker 1: Bell thing. I bet there's a point this year of
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Speaker 1: the Jets, even though they were in New York, have
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Speaker 1: always been known as sort of the circus like atmosphere
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Speaker 1: of a franchise. Don't be surprised if he does it.
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Speaker 1: Long for the stability of the Steeler, Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 1: know at all. I don't know. I haven't studied it enough.
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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying the running back is a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a different dynamic right now because they pay issue,
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Speaker 1: but wide receiver has got nothing to do with that.
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Speaker 1: Strange if I was if I was Mark Davis right now,
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Speaker 1: I'd be like, what did we just do? Yeah? All right,
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Speaker 1: that'll loude for our show. Thanks John, You're right, he'll
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Speaker 1: be at his desk, Holliday, I got a full day
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Speaker 1: ahead of me, but for Joe and Max, that'll do
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Speaker 1: it for this screw. See you next week on Jags
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