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The Kenny Report | 29 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is The Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese still in the rough over his golf course
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  Speaker 2: pork barrelling, but the opposition doesn't follow through on claims
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  Speaker 2: he misled Parliament. All this while Albanese's Treasurer, Jim Chalmers,
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  Speaker 2: has been busy finding more excuses for the economic pain
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  Speaker 2: he's delivering. Former Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock joins me to
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  Speaker 2: discuss why we need an immigration summit... I'll show you
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: how a vile anti-Semite has ended up funding Israeli war veterans.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll cross to Israel for the latest on the
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  Speaker 2: election and speculation there is mounting about a new assault
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  Speaker 2: on Iran. Also, the National Cabinet with Mark and Tim,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll hear how Mark went on the ABC.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: You won't find a stronger critic of Anthony Albanese than me,
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  Speaker 2: and if you wander around the country, you'll find no
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  Speaker 2: shortage of people disappointed in him, disillusioned.
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  Speaker 1: By him and angry at him.
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  Speaker 2: But this Prime Minister's biggest enemy is undoubtedly himself. Albanese's
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  Speaker 2: own inability to see the truth, hear the truth or
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  Speaker 2: speak the truth now seems to be dawning on everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, we've been onto it for years.
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  Speaker 3: Reducing power prices by $ 275. Falling by $ 275 per household.
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  Speaker 3: It's Reputex's modelling. It's Reputex's modelling from that time.
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  Speaker 1: To be clear, we did ask.
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  Speaker 3: To speak, myself and Katie, and we're told that that
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  Speaker 3: wasn't possible, and that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: I respect the organisers' right to do that.
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  Speaker 5: That's a full-out lie. Our Prime Minister just flat-out lied
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  Speaker 5: on a national scale in front of the whole country.
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  Speaker 1: Photos with everyone, OK?
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  Speaker 3: I stepped back one step.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't fall off the stage.
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  Speaker 3: Just one leg went down, but I was sweet.
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  Speaker 1: Grace Tame. Difficult.
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  Speaker 3: She has had a difficult life, and that was what
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  Speaker 3: I was referring to.
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  Speaker 7: Well, hecklers have booed the Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, and
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  Speaker 7: Minister for Home Affairs, Tony Burke, during an Eid celebration
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  Speaker 7: in Sydney's south-west.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen some of those reports and they're just simply
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  Speaker 3: not accurate. There were 30,000 people plus at Lakemba this morning. Overwhelmingly,
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  Speaker 3: the reception was incredibly positive. I walked through the crowd
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  Speaker 3: to the mosque and not a single person heckled.
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  Speaker 1: There were a couple of hecklers inside. They were dealt with.
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  Speaker 3: The Japanese Prime Minister brought a melon.
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  Speaker 8: She?
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  Speaker 1: Did she smuggle it? I don't know. Oh, I'm expecting.
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  Speaker 1: Got a couple of melons. She brought two. She brought two,
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  Speaker 1: as you do.
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  Speaker 6: She just came in looking like Pamela Anderson.
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  Speaker 3: When I give interviews, anyone who has sat down with me,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a bit of footage of me doing interviews
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  Speaker 3: sitting on chairs... Well, see, I don't do them with
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  Speaker 3: my arms crossed. And so certainly as the interpretation that
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  Speaker 3: some have put on this is simply not correct.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the trouble is that even when he's been
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  Speaker 2: caught out, this is a Prime Minister who never accepts responsibility. Again,
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  Speaker 2: we've showcased so many episodes.
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  Speaker 3: We're hearing that an asylum seeker boat has arrived off
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  Speaker 3: to the Western Australian coastline.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know anything about that?
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  Speaker 3: I've been travelling in the car, so I haven't been
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  Speaker 3: advised about that.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, state bail schemes are.
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  Speaker 3: Run by the state. The Reserve Bank of Australia are
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  Speaker 3: an independent body and the government doesn't direct them on
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  Speaker 3: what to do. This is not my proposal, this is
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  Speaker 3: the Australian people's proposal. State and territory governments are responsible
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  Speaker 3: primarily for those issues.
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  Speaker 9: Have you had any contact with.
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  Speaker 5: The Iranian ambassador following those strikes overnight?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 10: Have you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I've been here in Melbourne, so our.
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  Speaker 1: No, I have not. Yeah, he's in the car. He's
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  Speaker 1: in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: You can't deal with any of these things when you're
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  Speaker 2: in the car or in Melbourne. And, yes, we came
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  Speaker 2: up with a musical summary of Albanese's signature trait with
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  Speaker 2: a little help from the Robertson brothers.
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  Speaker 6: He thinks he's not, not, not responsible.
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  Speaker 2: I think some of you might have been missing that
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  Speaker 2: little number. Now, in Parliament today, the Coalition focused again
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  Speaker 2: on the blatant political pork-barrelling of Labor's $ 6 million grant
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  Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister's local golf club. But they didn't
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  Speaker 2: turn up anything new, preferring to use Albanese's shifting rhetoric
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  Speaker 2: to reinforce his reputation.
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  Speaker 11: The Prime Minister promised he wouldn't change CGT and negative
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  Speaker 11: gearing before the election.
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  Speaker 5: Then he did.
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  Speaker 11: He promised a $ 275 cut to power bills that he
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  Speaker 11: never delivered. He said he didn't mock the Japanese Prime
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  Speaker 11: Minister when he did. He said he didn't fall off
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  Speaker 11: a stage when he did. He said his $ 6 billion
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  Speaker 11: grant to the Marrickville Golf Club was to fix sewerage
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  Speaker 11: flows when it wasn't. He said the relevant program wasn't
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  Speaker 11: invitation only.
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  Speaker 5: When it was.
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  Speaker 11: Why does this Prime Minister have such a difficult relationship
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  Speaker 11: with the truth?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty compelling list, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: But as I said last night, as disgraceful as the
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  Speaker 2: golf course grant was, this claim about misleading Parliament won't
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  Speaker 2: stack up, and the opposition tacitly confirmed that today by
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  Speaker 2: failing to move a censure motion against the PM. If
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  Speaker 2: they had a strong case against him for misleading the House,
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  Speaker 2: they needed to do that today because Parliament won't sit
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  Speaker 2: again for three weeks. Still, they should continue... probing the
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  Speaker 2: golf course grant. And to be frank, I was a
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  Speaker 2: little surprised at Angus Taylor's answer to this question last night.
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  Speaker 2: Are you looking at referring this to the National Anti-Corruption Commission?
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  Speaker 11: Well, you know, we're going to keep pushing on the
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  Speaker 11: lies we hear from Anthony Albanese every day and the spin.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I have to sit in Question.
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  Speaker 11: Time every day and just listen to, you know, an
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  Speaker 11: hour and a bit of spin every day. It's just
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  Speaker 11: nonsense he goes on about. But the worst thing about
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  Speaker 11: Anthony Albanese and the government that he leads is that
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  Speaker 11: they can't admit it when they've made a mistake.
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  Speaker 2: Fair enough, we've just made out that case. But what
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  Speaker 2: about the Anti-Corruption Commission? Surely the Coalition must refer this grant,
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  Speaker 2: in fact the whole grant scheme, to the Anti-Corruption Commission.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's sidekick, Treasurer Jim Chalmers, suffers a similar affliction.
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  Speaker 2: With record government spending driving persistent inflation and 16 interest
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  Speaker 2: rate increases since Labor came to power and the 17th
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  Speaker 2: expected next week, Chalmers was making excuses again today.
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  Speaker 4: The issue with inflation in our economy right now is
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  Speaker 4: really a function of two things. First of all, much
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  Speaker 4: quicker than anticipated recovery in the private sector. Secretary Wilkinson
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  Speaker 4: and Governor Bullock have both referenced that in the past.
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  Speaker 4: And secondly, obviously, the escalation in fuel prices that came
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  Speaker 4: from the biggest oil shock in the history of the world.
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  Speaker 2: But that shock has happened to every country. Why isn't
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  Speaker 2: inflation a problem everywhere? Why aren't rates going up in
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  Speaker 2: other countries?
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  Speaker 1: What nonsense. Look, this bloke is amazing. He never makes
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  Speaker 1: a mistake, apparently. He's just unlucky. Yet before he got
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  Speaker 1: the job, he had a very different attitude.
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  Speaker 4: On every shelf, in every shop, in every suburb is
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  Speaker 4: a reminder of Scott Morrison's cost of living crisis and
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  Speaker 4: his failures on the economy. Now, we've heard more excuses
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  Speaker 4: from him and from the Treasurer. This government has an
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  Speaker 4: excuse for everything and a plan for nothing.
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  Speaker 2: What a brilliant little flashback, hey? Because Chalmers simply does
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  Speaker 2: not live up to the.
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  Speaker 1: Standards he set.
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  Speaker 2: This Treasurer rarely sees the sun set without making another excuse.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have an inflation problem because wages are growing
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  Speaker 4: too fast. We have an inflation problem because of a
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  Speaker 4: war in Ukraine, supply chain pressures from COVID. and a
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  Speaker 4: decade of economic mismanagement. I think the sorts of Russian
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  Speaker 4: aggression that we've seen in Ukraine is a threat to everyone,
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  Speaker 4: not just threat to our economy. It's one of the
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  Speaker 4: reasons why we had this inflation spike. Certainly, economists expect
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  Speaker 4: the headline number to tick up a little bit as
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  Speaker 4: a consequence of the end of some of those state
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  Speaker 4: energy rebates. Today's inflation number, which did come in higher
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  Speaker 4: than we would like, is a reflection of a recovery
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  Speaker 4: in the private sector and private spending, not public spending,
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  Speaker 4: and that's really clear. We have an inflation challenge in
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  Speaker 4: our economy, and it's made worse by a war in
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  Speaker 4: the Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: That's not an opinion, that's a fact.
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  Speaker 4: We already had an inflation challenge in our economy and
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  Speaker 4: the war in the Middle East is making it worse.
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  Speaker 1: It's quite a list, isn't it? But you won't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: One of the Teals actually offered Chalmers a bizarre new
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  Speaker 2: excuse today.
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  Speaker 7: Has Treasury assessed the extent to which climate change is
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  Speaker 7: contributing to inflation and productivity drag nationally?
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  Speaker 6: And if not, will you commit Treasury to do so?
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  Speaker 2: It's always dangerous climate change that's the culprit, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: And a desperate Jim Chalmers latched onto this excuse because
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  Speaker 2: he hadn't thought.
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  Speaker 1: Of this one before.
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  Speaker 4: When it comes to the economic impacts of climate change,
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  Speaker 4: more natural and more frequent natural disasters, but also the
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  Speaker 4: opportunities of the energy transformation. The IGR makes it clear
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  Speaker 4: and the climate modelling makes it clear that the most
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  Speaker 4: important thing that we can do is to manage an
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  Speaker 4: orderly energy transition, and that's what we are doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Chalmers took this climate alarmist nonsense seriously and pretended
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  Speaker 2: the renewables transition is great for the economy.
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  Speaker 1: Fortunately, not too many people would believe him anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Remember that shocking anti-Semitic rant against an Australian Jewish couple
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  Speaker 2: holidaying in France? It came from an Irishman who said
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  Speaker 2: his name was Paddy and he went as far as
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  Speaker 2: saying he'd put a bullet in someone's head. It all
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  Speaker 2: unfolded in a supermarket in Avignon back in August.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a reminder.
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  Speaker 12: I'm glad that Hitler didn't finish the job.
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  Speaker 9: Go on, say it again, Paddy.
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  Speaker 5: Say it again.
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  Speaker 12: Paddy the Irishman just told us.
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  Speaker 9: He's sorry that Hitler didn't finish the job.
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  Speaker 5: You're in Europe here.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay. You're in Europe here.
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  Speaker 5: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: But go on, tell us again.
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  Speaker 12: You're sorry Hitler didn't finish the job.
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  Speaker 1: Please, tell us again.
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  Speaker 7: Tell us again, Paddy.
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  Speaker 4: You get the f * * * away with me
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  Speaker 4: before I put a f * * * ing bullet
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  Speaker 4: in your.
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  Speaker 5: Head, okay? Nice one, f * * * y.
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  Speaker 1: Nice one, Paddy. You f * * * ing pigs.
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  Speaker 2: After showing you that attack, I tracked down the victims
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  Speaker 2: and shared this from one of them.
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  Speaker 12: What you're seeing now on that video with Paddy is
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  Speaker 12: the demonisation of Jews legitimises violence against us and we're
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  Speaker 12: threatened every day. This is our life. This is our
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  Speaker 12: new normal.
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  Speaker 2: We also brought you the good news that French police
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  Speaker 2: followed up and charged the Irishman responsible for this vile abuse.
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  Speaker 2: 60-year-old Patrick O'Brien was charged with attempting to justify crimes
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  Speaker 2: against humanity and making death threats aggravated by their anti-Semitic nature. Well,
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  Speaker 2: now we can report that the court case is over
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  Speaker 2: and the prosecution was successful. After being found guilty on
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  Speaker 2: both counts, O'Brien was given a six-month suspended sentence and
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  Speaker 2: told to pay 500 euros to each of the two Australians...
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  Speaker 2: and 300 euros to two Jewish anti-Semitism and humanitarian organisations.
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  Speaker 2: The prosecutors asked for O'Brien to be banned from France
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  Speaker 2: for three years, but the judges didn't agree to that.
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  Speaker 2: Back in Australia, victim Sharon has welcomed the decision.
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  Speaker 12: It is our honour to donate that € 1, 000 to Beit Halachim,
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  Speaker 12: the House of the Injured Warrior, that provides rehabilitation and
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  Speaker 12: treatment for the heroic IDF soldiers who have life-changing physical
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  Speaker 12: and psychological injuries because of their sacrifice and courage in
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  Speaker 12: defending the Jewish state.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Paddy is now helping to fund Zionist military heroes. Nice
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  Speaker 2: to see some good come from his hatred. Well done
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  Speaker 2: to Sharon and her husband. This anti-Semitic hatred is out
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  Speaker 2: of control. It's a stain on the souls and the
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  Speaker 2: minds of all of us living in Western liberal democracies
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  Speaker 2: where everyone should know better. Let's go to Canberra now
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  Speaker 2: and catch up with Shadow Health Minister Anne Ruston.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Anne.
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  Speaker 2: Parliament, at least for the House, not returning for another
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  Speaker 2: three weeks. It means if Anthony Albanese was going to
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  Speaker 2: be summonsed before the Parliament, charged through a motion with
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  Speaker 2: misleading the House, it would have happened today, wouldn't it?
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  Speaker 7: Look, it would indeed, but I think that Australians are
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  Speaker 7: starting to see, because of the media coverage from shows
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  Speaker 7: like yours and many others across the nation, that we've
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  Speaker 7: got a Prime Minister who seriously couldn't lie straight in bed.
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  Speaker 7: I think that the events of this ridiculous saga around
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  Speaker 7: the Marrickville Golf Club have painted a pretty damning picture
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  Speaker 7: of Anthony Albanese. I think he's going to be tried
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  Speaker 7: in the court of public opinion for the fact that
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  Speaker 7: he's quite happy to mislead, you know, to basically lie,
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  Speaker 7: to try and get himself out of a situation that
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  Speaker 7: he put himself in. I think the Australian public are
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  Speaker 7: going to mark him pretty badly for what he's done here.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're dead right.
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  Speaker 2: I think Aussies right across the country who might have
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  Speaker 2: given Albanese and Jim Chalmers the benefit of the doubt
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  Speaker 2: in the past are now starting to see this form,
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  Speaker 2: the repeated lying, the repeated inability to confront the facts
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  Speaker 2: and the repeated inability to follow through on their promises.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to get the bad news again next
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday on Cup Day when interest rates are almost certain
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  Speaker 2: to go up again. The pain that's going to be inflicted,
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  Speaker 2: particularly in small business and, of course, young families with
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  Speaker 2: a mortgage, is going to be extreme in the lead-up
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  Speaker 2: to Christmas.
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  Speaker 7: Look, it absolutely is, and I think that's exactly the
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  Speaker 7: point that needs to be made here. All this mismanagement
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  Speaker 7: that we've seen in Canberra and all the denials and
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  Speaker 7: the blame-shifting, you know, the dog-ate-my-homework sort of responses that
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  Speaker 7: we've seen from Albanese encharmers as they've just, you know,
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  Speaker 7: systematically stuck a wrecking ball through the economy. But the
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  Speaker 7: real victims here are families, are households, particularly young families,
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  Speaker 7: people who are just starting to get on their own,
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  Speaker 7: who've got mortgages, the small businesses that are struggling with
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  Speaker 7: the burden of increased costs and also the red tape
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  Speaker 7: that is being plastered.
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  Speaker 1: All over them.
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  Speaker 7: They're the real victims of what happened with the inflation
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  Speaker 7: figures and the consequential impact of that, which we believe
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  Speaker 7: almost certainly will be another rate rise on Tuesday, another
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  Speaker 7: rate rise that means that every Australian who has a
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  Speaker 7: mortgage will be paying more again. And this isn't because
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  Speaker 7: of a whole heap of things that are happening overseas.
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  Speaker 1: The Governor.
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  Speaker 7: The Reserve Bank governor has been saying for months, if
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  Speaker 7: not years, this is homegrown inflation on the back of
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  Speaker 7: the excesses of a government that just doesn't know how
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  Speaker 7: to manage the economy and can't control its spending.
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  Speaker 2: Which brings us, I think, to what is perhaps the
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  Speaker 2: biggest and most substantial lie that they've forced upon us
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  Speaker 2: every day. and that is that they've delivered budget savings.
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  Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers claims to have delivered $ 180 billion.
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  Speaker 1: Worth of budget savings.
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  Speaker 2: It's absolute nonsense because he calls them a saving even
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  Speaker 2: if it's money that's shifted from one area and they
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  Speaker 2: spend even more elsewhere. Government spending continues to rise.
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  Speaker 1: There are no savings.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese can't even promise to deliver net savings in
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  Speaker 2: the coming financial year, yet you as a coalition put out.
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  Speaker 1: $ 31 billion worth of savings... earlier this week.
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  Speaker 7: Well, we know that the Albanese Labor government and Jim
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  Speaker 7: Chalmers had inherited a situation where the increased receipts from
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  Speaker 7: our resources sector and bracket creep have provided them with
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: hundreds of billions of dollars' worth of additional revenue since
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: they've been in government. And what have they done with
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  Speaker 7: that additional revenue? They haven't put it away for a
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  Speaker 7: rainy day like they should have. They've spent it. And now,
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  Speaker 7: having spent it, we have got deficits as far as
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  Speaker 7: the eye can see. So I think, you know, this
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  Speaker 7: government is... Well, the chickens are coming home to roost.
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  Speaker 7: Australians are starting to see... They are economically incompetent when
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  Speaker 7: it comes to managing the economy. I mean, nothing could
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  Speaker 7: be a clearer example of this. You know, we've seen,
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  Speaker 7: you know, a.
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  Speaker 7: The public sector has increased in numbers by a quarter.
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  Speaker 7: At the same time, you know, we've seen, you know,
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  Speaker 7: $ 511 million paid out in redundancies. At the same time,
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  Speaker 7: we've seen $ 860 million spent on consultants. It takes a
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  Speaker 7: special type of incompetence to be able to do all
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  Speaker 7: those three things at the same time. I mean, I
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  Speaker 7: genuinely think Australians are starting to see through the facade.
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: that is, the economic incompetence of this government.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is such a worry.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just finish on some politicking between the Coalition
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: and One Nation. The New South Wales young Liberal president,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Cooper Gannon, was on radio today having a go at
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: those Liberals who have defected to One Nation.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.
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  Speaker 7: It's amazing that there are so many people supposedly jumping
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  Speaker 7: ship to One Nation.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that this was meant to.
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  Speaker 9: Be a party that was a fresh start, but apparently
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  Speaker 9: it's full of the dregs of.
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  Speaker 1: The Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 2: Calling One Nation the dregs of the Liberal Party is
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  Speaker 2: not really going to help the Liberal Party, is it?
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  Speaker 1: That might just boost One Nation.
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  Speaker 7: Look, as I've said many a time, you know, the
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: Liberal Party, the Coalition, the LNP, we've got to focus
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: on doing what we do best, and that is being
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: good fiscal managers, putting good policies out there. I don't
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: think any of these sorts.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: Of comments or commentary.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: serve the interests of what we're supposed to be here
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: for and that is delivering for the Australian public.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I agree with you.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Would you like to give Cooper Gannon some advice then,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: like shut the hell up?
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: Well, I love the exuberance of youth and I'd never
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: tell anybody to shut up because I'm a great believer
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: in free speech, but perhaps I don't agree with him.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us Anne. Appreciate it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Anne Ruston there in Canberra, the Shadow Health Minister. Now,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: let's go to matters overseas, and there's still no clear
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: winner in Israel's elections. Almost 90% of votes have been
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: counted after a record turnout in the first election held,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: of course, since the October 7th atrocities.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from Fox News.
• 20:09
  Speaker 13: Supporters on both sides of the political divide say they're
• 20:12
  Speaker 13: optimistic as votes are being counted here in Israel. But
• 20:15
  Speaker 13: at this point, it's clear neither major party will be
• 20:18
  Speaker 13: able to claim a majority. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: pulling slightly ahead, but his rival, Gadi Eisenkot, says simply
• 20:25
  Speaker 13: stopping Netanyahu from claiming victory on election night was a
• 20:28
  Speaker 13: big win.
• 20:30
  Speaker 14: Netanyahu is a transitional prime minister without a mandate or trust. Netanyahu,
• 20:34
  Speaker 14: do not dare to use Israel's security for your political needs.
• 20:39
  Speaker 13: But Netanyahu is still putting security front and center and
• 20:42
  Speaker 13: leaning into his close relationship with President Trump.
• 20:47
  Speaker 14: Israel is facing a historic opportunity once and for all
• 20:50
  Speaker 14: with our partner, President Trump, to remove the existential threat
• 20:53
  Speaker 14: from Iran.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Let's bring in Tom Switzer, columnist with The Australian. Good
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: to see you again, Tom.
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: G'day, Chris.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It was always a very likely outcome, this in Israel,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: that you have a mess and maybe days and weeks
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: of negotiations to see who might form government.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Do you think there's a chance that Bibi Netanyahu might
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: hang on? Oh, absolutely.
• 21:13
  Speaker 15: I mean, the conventional wisdom was that he would lose
• 21:15
  Speaker 15: this election and he stands a very decent chance of
• 21:18
  Speaker 15: forming a coalition government. And it's a reminder that this...
• 21:22
  Speaker 15: political comeback fighter has an amazing ability to bounce back
• 21:25
  Speaker 15: from setbacks.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: You wrote a column in The Australian where you link
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: him historically, globally really, as one of the most enduring politicians,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and it's a compelling case.
• 21:35
  Speaker 15: Well, regardless of whether you like him or not and
• 21:38
  Speaker 15: his policies, he is a great political comeback fighter. He
• 21:41
  Speaker 15: is like the George Foreman of international politics. I mean,
• 21:44
  Speaker 15: bear in mind, for 30 years, the last 30 years,
• 21:47
  Speaker 15: he's been in power for 18 years. He's been written
• 21:50
  Speaker 15: off time and again... He's been the youngest serving Prime
• 21:53
  Speaker 15: Minister of Israel in 1996 when he was 43, and
• 21:56
  Speaker 15: now he's the oldest serving Prime Minister at 77. But
• 21:59
  Speaker 15: whatever you think about Netanyahu, it shows that he has
• 22:02
  Speaker 15: an amazing stamina and you ride him off at your peril.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Now, J.D.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Vance, apparently the US Vice President, is meeting with Iranian
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: officials looking at peace, but there's a lot of speculation
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: about a new US assault, probably, possibly in combination with
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Israel against Iran.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Here's what Donald Trump's saying about it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: We're in a very good position.
• 22:25
  Speaker 13: It's a question, when do I want to end it?
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Are you planning a digital strike to get Tehran out
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: to the election?
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: I can't tell you that.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: I can't tell you.
• 22:31
  Speaker 15: That, sir.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: But anything's possible, but I can't. Tom, we keep talking
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: about the Iran conflict, but is it the case that
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: with the Israeli election out of the way and then
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the US midterms out of the way next week, the
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: way will be clear.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: For Donald Trump to... to launch another assault?
• 22:51
  Speaker 15: Well, if you believe the Wall Street Journal and the
• 22:54
  Speaker 15: Jerusalem Post, they have front-page stories today making it clear
• 22:57
  Speaker 15: that that's likely to happen. But the question you have
• 22:59
  Speaker 15: to ask yourself is, if indeed the Americans and the
• 23:02
  Speaker 15: Israelis launch airstrikes again on the regime in Tehran, what
• 23:07
  Speaker 15: do they expect the outcome... How will it be any
• 23:09
  Speaker 15: different from the last times they launched airstrikes? The regime's
• 23:12
  Speaker 15: pretty strong. It's still there, and they still essentially control
• 23:15
  Speaker 15: the Strait of Hormuz. And remember, they have this impressive...
• 23:18
  Speaker 15: range of ballistic missiles and drones to hit at America's
• 23:21
  Speaker 15: Sunni Gulf allies.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: There has been reporting out of Israel, though, suggesting there
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: is a plan to ensure that there is regime change.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Now, that's easy to say. We've all talked about that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Very difficult to deliver.
• 23:32
  Speaker 15: Well, I think it's very hard to find historical precedents
• 23:35
  Speaker 15: where airstrikes alone bring about regime change. If you're serious
• 23:39
  Speaker 15: about regime change, The president has to seriously contemplate ground troops.
• 23:42
  Speaker 15: And there's no way he will do that, especially if
• 23:44
  Speaker 15: the Republicans go backwards in next week's midterm elections.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you preempted my next question. I wanted to go
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to the US and the midterms. What's your thoughts on
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: what's going to unfold then?
• 23:55
  Speaker 15: Well, all the available polling evidence, the betting markets, the
• 23:57
  Speaker 15: seasoned observers of American politics, they've been wrong before, of course.
• 24:01
  Speaker 15: They say the Democrats will win the House pretty convincingly.
• 24:04
  Speaker 15: Senate's more complicated, but at this stage they may get
• 24:07
  Speaker 15: the four seats they need. But, of course, the Democrats
• 24:09
  Speaker 15: have to fight for about three seats of their own.
• 24:12
  Speaker 15: And in at least one of those seats, they have
• 24:15
  Speaker 15: a socialist who's very anti-Israel running. And if he loses
• 24:19
  Speaker 15: in Michigan, then the Republicans might have a chance. Remember,
• 24:23
  Speaker 15: the Democrats need to pick up four seats. They can't
• 24:25
  Speaker 15: pick up three because if it's three, it's 50-50. And
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: if the Senate's 50-50, the Vice President is a balanced power.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Now, tell me this, though.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Riddle me this one, right? Whatever happens in the midterms,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: we then have two years of Trump unleashed, if there
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: is such a thing, because he's always been unleashed. But
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: he's just got the two years then where he's going
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: to be worrying about doing what he wants to do.
• 24:46
  Speaker 15: Look, he'll be the lamest of lame ducks if the
• 24:49
  Speaker 15: Democrats control both the House and the Senate. They will
• 24:51
  Speaker 15: stymie his domestic public policy agenda. But on foreign policy,
• 24:56
  Speaker 15: the executive branch has more power and responsibility on foreign policy.
• 25:00
  Speaker 15: And it's hard to know what he will do with
• 25:03
  Speaker 15: that power. But one thing we can expect is that
• 25:06
  Speaker 15: the Democrats, if they control the chambers... they will launch
• 25:10
  Speaker 15: many House Committee inquiries and investigations into the Trump administration's
• 25:14
  Speaker 15: various scandals.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Over the last two years.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Been there before.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: It hasn't worked for them. It has not worked for them.
• 25:18
  Speaker 15: And it'll just make the polarisation worse.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Thanks for joining us, Tom.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Great to see you, Chris.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Tom Switzer there. Read his stuff in The Australian when
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: you get a chance. We'll go to a break now.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I'm going to speak with the
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: former Immigration Minister, Philip Ruddock.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: He reckons there needs to be a new.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Immigration Department and a National Immigration Summit. My next guest
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: was a stellar and steadfast immigration for this country at
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: a very difficult time during the Howard government when we
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: had the Pacific Solution being implemented and all the rest
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: He is, of course, Philip Ruddock. He joins us now
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: live from Canberra, his old stamping ground. Great to talk
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to you, Philip.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I mentioned at the outset that you've got a new
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: book out called Nation Building, How Immigration Made Australia, because
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: this is a great... point to start at you went
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: through the immigration ministry during those difficult periods that I
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: mentioned but you're absolutely fervently supportive of immigration and the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: positive role it's made for this country.
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: Well that's very much Chris it's a pleasure to be
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: back with you and it's been 20 years since I
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: was attorney general and 24 years since I was last
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: immigration minister But there is a great story to tell
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: about the way in which immigration has made Australia richer, stronger,
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: a wealthier country than most, and younger with our average
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: working age. And that is because we've been bringing to
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: Australia people who are skilled with the qualities that we
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: are going to need to grow our Australian economy. And
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: in my view, we've lost some of that integrity when
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: we allow family reunion to become dominant.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, family reunion.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: And you're also critical of temporary visas, too many temporary
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: migrants to Australia.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: So tell us about this too. It's always so crucial.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: If you want to maintain support for immigration, then people
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: have to see the benefits and have faith in the systems. Now,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: immigration's becoming a central political issue now as we head
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: towards the next federal election with all three parties, One Nation,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the Coalition and the government, putting alternative viewpoints forward. What's
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: your observation about the current debate and what needs to happen?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Well, let me be very clear.
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: When I was Immigration Minister, I consulted with the Australian
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: community before we put forward a program that we thought
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: the public might accept I brought together all of the
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: interest groups. I brought together the experts, people like Abel Risby,
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: whom you've no doubt heard of, who is very important
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: in terms of running the immigration program. Peter MacDonald, who's
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: the leading demographer at the Australian National University. I brought
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: together the business communities, the migrant groups. I brought together
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: Australians Against Further Immigration. My view was that you brought
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: them all into the room and you would then.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Talk to them.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: And I travelled around Australia. I went from Port Hedland
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: in the north of Australia I certainly went to your
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: old stamping ground in South Australia.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: We did it in Sydney, Melbourne, Perth.
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: We brought people with us by talking to them about
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: what the program was and nobody consulted before and nobody
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: has consulted since. Now, my view is that an immigration
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: minister ought to be prepared to engage, to go out
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: there and talk to the Australian community. And when you
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: do talk to the Australian community, you can convince them
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: that what you're doing is going to be appropriate for
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: them and their future and give them a better quality
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: of life.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Well, it's probably too late to advise the current Labor government.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: They've been in for four years. If they haven't been consulting.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: They won't change their stripes now, but it's good advice
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: to a coalition government if they're coming in. You say
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: that there should be a separate immigration minister handling this
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: important issue on their own rather than being wrapped into
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the Home Affairs Department. I'll get your thoughts on that,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: but also let's talk about numbers, because while the Howard
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: government had those very strong border protection rules and was
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: strict about controlling immigration, you were able to maintain confidence
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: in immigration and grow the numbers to... unprecedented levels. Are
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: they too high now? Have they been too high over
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the past four years? And where would you look to
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: cut back primarily?
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: Well, I suspect they are higher than they might have been.
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: And I think the temporary migration has been a significant
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: part of that problem. There was a report that was
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: given to me at the time when I was Minister
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: where business interests wanted to have people brought to Australia
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: to work temporally for them, to be able to bring
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: them in, take them out.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think it works as well as we had planned.
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: And in my view, it's better to have an immigration
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: program that is focusing on the skills you need and
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: identifying those skills and bringing in those who are appropriately qualified.
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: But can I say something of the way in which
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: I think the department was treated. They were very important
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: people leading the Immigration Department when I was there. I
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: mentioned some of them who were at the event that
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: I had at Parliament House last night. People like Abel Risby,
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: people like Dennis Richardson, who later went on to become
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: head of ASIO and ambassador for Australia and head of
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: other government departments. People like Andrew Metcalf, who has been
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: the Chancellor of the Australian National University. I mean, these
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: were people who were running the Immigration Department eminently qualified
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: to do so. And what we've seen was that when
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: Home Affairs came in, it was almost like you were
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: bringing the policeman in to take over the watch. And
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: I don't think that the Australian Federal Police, being the
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: body that was working within Home Affairs, ought to be
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: the body that's best equipped to decide who should be
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: able to enter Australia and on what basis. And so
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: I've argued very strongly that we should bring back an
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: immigration department with the sort of people that we had
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: in it in the past.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Now, you've also called for a National Immigration Summit. Is
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: this something that should be a one-off to get us
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: back on track, or you're suggesting this should be an
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: annual process?
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: No, I'm saying that I think a Minister for Immigration
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: ought to be consulting with the people all the time.
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: And as I said, I had consultations as Minister right
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: through the whole of the seven years that I was there.
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: I travelled to every part of Australia. and people felt
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: that they were consulted and engaged. And when we determined
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: the numbers, while they may not have agreed, while we
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: were going through the consultative process, they believed they had
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: been talked to. And in my view, that sort of
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: process is the way to go forward. A summit immediately
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: would be, I think, important, but it ought to lead
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: to regular and continuing consultations.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Great stuff. Thanks for joining us, Philip. I appreciate it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Philip Ruddock there, the former Immigration Minister for this great country.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: His book out at the moment is Nation Building, How
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Immigration Made Australia. We all know that immigration made Australia,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: but you've got to look after it. You've got to
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: run it effectively if you want that to continue. And
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: that's some wise words there from Philip Ruddock. Interestingly, criticising
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the family reunion aspects... and the high levels of temporary
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: migration we have at the moment often leads to permanent,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Let's have a break.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to cross to Israel
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and we're going to get the latest on the election
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: direct from the ground from Sharon Haskell, who herself, of course,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: was contesting the election. OK, we're having a bit of
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: trouble with Israel. Let's get straight into the National Cabinet
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: then with Mark and Tim. I want to talk to
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Mark about how we went on the ABC.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Welcome, gentlemen.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: We'll get to the ABC in a moment, but I
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: want to start off on the Victorian election and get
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: both of your thoughts on what transpired today with the Premier,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Ben Carroll, putting out a fairly bizarre sort of election
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: debate challenge.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: This is the debate Victorians deserve. This is the debate
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: Victorians need. If you're putting yourself forward to be Premier,
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: you must be prepared to answer yes. the tough questions.
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: Warren Pickering's RSVP'd to the debate. I have too. Why
• 33:48
  Speaker 10: won't Jess Wilson and the Liberal Party confirm their attendance
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: at the debate?
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Tim, I'm presuming he means, but this is the debate
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: we need to have, not the one he was actually
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: doing there on his own, but with the other party
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: leaders standing behind those other lecterns.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: The Victorian Premier Doesn't sound at all stagey, does he,
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: when he's presenting these awful pieces to camera?
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Actually, a similar sort of thing was pulled several years
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: ago or several election cycles ago in the US when
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: I think Clint Eastwood showed up on an empty stage
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: to debate Barack Obama. That didn't work either. Barack Obama
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: got re-elected, of course. But, yeah, try to talk to
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: invisible people. I'm not sure if it's going to work
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: for the Victorian Premier there.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: But, of course, Mark, as a One Nation candidate, you
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: want your leader, Warren Pickering, in the debate.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the issue here. All right, there's a
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: One Nation....
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Member in the upper house but at the moment all
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: the all the force or all the sort of the
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: momentum for one nation is in the polls and the
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: libs are saying well you know you can't form government
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be at the debate but but you guys
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: want to be there right and and certainly carol wants
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: you there.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah well jess wilson's going around saying that uh there's
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: only two people that can be the premier of this
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: state and she's completely wrong that's gaslighting the Victorian people
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: get to decide. It's not illegal for One Nation to
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: become the government, Jess. It's ridiculous. But as a general punter,
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: I'd take myself out of it, even if I wasn't
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: in this election. I wouldn't want to watch this debate
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: with Jess Wilson and Ben Carroll on their own. I
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: want Warren Pickering in there. It's just going to be boring.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: The same old trodden out stuff written by consultants. them
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: just doing the scripted stuff like Ben Carroll does it there,
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Jess Wilson does it too. It'll be as boring as hell.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: I don't want to watch that. I don't want Warren Pickering.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: I want Sparks to fly. That's what Warren will bring.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: That's what One Nation brings to the debate. I think
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: that's what Victoria wants.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I want you there as well. I want you to
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: do some.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Live animation from the debate. That would work for everyone.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Of course, if you get One Nation there as well,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: and that's what we want, that's certainly what we want
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: here at News 24, the three-way debate. given that they're
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the three major parties. But then the Greens will want
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: a spot as well. But let's perhaps keep them out
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: of it. Let's stay on Victoria for a moment. I
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: was intrigued by Ben Carroll's visit to Macca's yesterday.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: He took.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: He took the travelling media party to his own electorate
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: and instead of finding like a local cafe or some business,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: small business in the neighbourhood that likes what he's doing
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: and giving them, spending some money there, he took them
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: to local Macca's and stuck his chips, his fries, in
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the soft serve.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this. Add some sweets.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I can recommend it, Kev. Sweet and savoury. I've done
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: it before. Sweet and savoury.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Sweet and savoury.
• 36:53
  Speaker 10: Let's see what the nine-year-old thinks when we take the
• 36:56
  Speaker 10: menu back home.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And the verdict. Sweet and savoury.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Really good.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I've not seen that before, Tim.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: But why wouldn't he go to a local small business
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: where there are people to talk to?
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: Probably because all the small businesses that he's got anything
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: to do with are becoming smaller. The only time I've
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: seen people do that sort of thing with fries at
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: McDonald's is on a drunk bet, and it's after midnight.
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: It's like, I bet, mate.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Come on, mate. I bet you can't. Go on.
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: And people try it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: Go on.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: What demographic is he trying to appeal to with that
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: sort of? dining stunt. That's really peculiar. It's like, you know,
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: let's put more tomato sauce on your gnocchi.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Go on, have a go.
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: It's a really odd combination.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: You've not tried this one, Mark.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: No, mate. Well, honestly, this looks like a person that
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: put into chat GPT, what do humans eat at McDonald's?
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: That's what that looks like. I don't think the man's
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: ever gone. And honestly, no wonder he has to have
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: a nap in the afternoon if that's what he's eating.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: At 11 o'clock.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: That was at 11 o'clock at the Nidri Macca's, apparently.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: 11 o'clock, he's having an ice cream. No wonder he's
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: sleepy at 2 o'clock.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: It is very weird. Very, very weird.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Now, you turned up at the ABC. Well, the ABC
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: turned up at your studios this last week, they must
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: have done. They put it to air this week. They
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: wanted to do a job on you.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: How did you go?
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: If I could take it back, I would. That's the thing.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: I would not take back anything I did in the
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Please Explain cartoons, but I wouldn't let them back in.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: They made me look like a goose. They made me
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: look like an absolute goose, which, to be honest, I
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: would never expect less from our public broadcaster. But, hey,
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: it was a good experience. It was a nice experience.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: It was a nice experience. And they're actually quite pleasant.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: We're going to start bringing them into our press conferences
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: now because they were the only ones to quote me
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: properly in my whole... When I said the Dan Andrews line,
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: where if I had it my way, I'd have Dan
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: Andrews and Jacinta Allen in Prison by Prison. They were
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: one of the only ones. That and Steve Price were
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: the only ones that quoted me correctly.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: So.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: They earned some trust. Oh, well, we'll bring them into
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: the press conference. They're playing nice.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: There is something you said from that exchange, though, that
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I wanted to play and ask you about.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Do I have anything to say to Jackie Lammy? No. Like,
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: it's like you're in the public realm. Like, that's my job.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: My job is to pick on people who are in
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: the public realm.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is your job.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: It is your job in StepMate Studios. We love the
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: fact that you mock everybody. The trouble is, do you
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: ever find that as a politician you can't really mock
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: everyone as much as you used to?
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: Well, I can. I just... People get their knickers in
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: a knot. That's the only difference. It's a unique experience
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: now with this whole thing. But I agree with myself there.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: Once you put something into the public realm, you open
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: yourself up to praise... and parody. Now, I think that's
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: the standard rule, whether you're a politician or a satirist.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: We're forging new ground here. I'm trying to feel it
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: out as we go. But yes, I am realising that
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: it's much more difficult to have my same level of
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: satire without people trying to take advantage politically of everything
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: that I say. So That's right. It's new, fertile, new
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: ground for me. I'm enjoying the process.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating. It is intriguing.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And, look, the serious side to this is what really
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: troubles me, and that is that people are trying to...
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Politicians and activists are out there saying that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: There's political.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Violence and threats and hatred and they're looking to try
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: and virtue signal to the world that they've got an
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: idea about how to.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Fix it up.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: And their idea of how to fix it up is
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: to take down some of the cartoons you are making.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: It's bizarre.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: They're not suggesting we should arrest people who say that
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: they are threatening things about Jews or chanting death to
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: someone or publicly supporting terrorist groups.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: And they're not even mentioning these sorts of protests. Have
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: a look.
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: What would you do if Pauline Hansen were here today?
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: I would f * * * ing shoot her. I
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: would f * * * ing run in front of her.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: It's like, beat her the f * * * up!
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: Kill her!
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: I'll bring my guillotine, I think.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: Shame, fascists! Shame! Die, Nazi scum! Shame, Pauline!
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Shame!
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Die, Pauline, you sick f * * *! Tim yelling
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: out fascist and calling for the killing of Pauline Hanson
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. Apparently that's not fermenting
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: hatred on our streets, but the cartoons are.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: When you're wearing a black mask and you're calling other
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: people fascists, that's a hell of a touch, isn't it?
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: How did the cops not laugh when they've got, like,
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: plainly a 14-year-old girl screaming death threats?
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: OK, cool.
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: It is ridiculous the way they're doing it. The other
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: offensive thing is that... everyone is trying to find political
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: advantage through the attack on Helen Haynes. It's like, obviously,
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: what we need to do in the wake of this
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: terrible attack is give me more staff and so on.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: We've seen people actually doing that. So it is appalling
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: and exploitative and the fact that they're latching onto the
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: excellent Please Explain cartoons, they're trying to stop a very
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: effective weapon against those parties. They're trying to mobilise a tragic,
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: an awful assault and leverage it to stop something that
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: they know is hurting them. So I say keep the
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: cartoons going, double their length, make them bigger.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, give you the last word on this one then, Mark.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, it's all disingenuous stuff, really. This is all
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: just a disingenuous attack. Soon they're going to start saying
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: that we're the cause for inflation. We caused the war
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: in Gaza. You know, we're the reason why petrol prices
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: are so high.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: It's so disingenuous. And I appreciate it.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: It's effective.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: At the end of the day, I'm not trying to
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: be hateful. I'm honestly just trying to bring joy and
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: make something that's quite serious a little bit more silly
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: and trying to bring people into politics because that, at
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, is what politicians don't want.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: They don't want people brought in and understanding the political
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: realm and talking about it more. That's all I'm trying
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: to do. I'm just trying to have a laugh. That's
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: all I'm doing. I'm not out to hurt anybody's feelings
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: or hurt or be a weapon.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not anything.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: I'm just trying to have fun.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Everybody in the country loves laughing about politicians and except
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: the politicians and some sort of pursuant to lefties, I suppose.
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: Let me just jump in on that just quickly. The
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: first person to alert me to the existence of the
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: Please Explain cartoon was a lifelong Labor voter who thought
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: it was hilarious the way the cartoon's made fun of
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: Scott Morrison. He's not so much of a fan of
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: it these days, though.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: No, no longer a fan. Brilliant stuff, gentlemen. I'm going
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: to have to say goodbye.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: We've managed to re-establish our link to Israel, so thanks
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: for joining the National Cabinet again, Mark and Tim.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week. We'll take a break.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we should better catch up with
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell in Israel, live on the latest on the elections.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Israel now and discuss the election aftermath
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: with Sharon Haskell, who was a former deputy foreign minister
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: of Israel.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Sharon, thanks for joining us.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Before we go to the big picture, if I can
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: start on your election, you headed up as chairwoman the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: new Israel First Party and you bombed. I can't put
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: it more bluntly than that. Your party bombed.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: You must be very disappointed.
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: Look, I am disappointed, but I'm very proud of the
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: message that we brought up. In a campaign where there's
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: so much division, where there's two camps, the anti-BB camp
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: and the pro-BB camp, there's very little attention to whoever
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: speaks about unity and about the necessity of both of
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: the sides to sit together. Now, watching the results now,
• 44:45
  Speaker 9: where everything that we've said actually came true, and we
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: see there's a deadlock. The pro-BB camp cannot form a government.
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: The anti-BB camp cannot form a government. And so they
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: have to sit together. And unfortunately, both of them are
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: becoming more and more entrenched in their own position. Since
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: the election, I've been calling for both of them to
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: put all the hatred aside and to sit together because
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: this is what Israel needs. Otherwise, they're going to drag
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: us into another round of election.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: So there are 19 seats won by Arab Israelis, the
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: point here being that those 19 seats could put either
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: of those parties' interests into government, but are both sides
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: saying they won't rely on those seats?
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, because it is impossible to rely on those two
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: Arab sits. One is a communist Arab party, one is
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: a religious Arab party. I actually formed a government, you know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: two governments ago with one of these Arab parties, and
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: it was a nightmare. When they literally put the interest
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: of the Palestinians or the Palestinian-Israeli conflict above the benefits
• 46:00
  Speaker 9: or their own Arab-Israeli community, I mean, when we formed
• 46:05
  Speaker 9: that government, we made an agreement to start working on
• 46:09
  Speaker 9: the Arab-Israeli community, the education, the self-protection and security because
• 46:15
  Speaker 9: there's so much crime about the poverty and how to
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: deal with it. But unfortunately, every week, instead of talking
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: about the Arab-Israeli problem, we were fighting about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: And so it is almost impossible to have a stable
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: government with them. And that's why both of those sides
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: know they cannot form a government with those two parties.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: So you've pre-empted the big question. I'll get you to
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: expand on that a bit more, and that is rather
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: than just endure this stalemate and then be forced back
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: to the ballot box again to have another election in
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks or a couple of months, is
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: there a possibility that Benjamin Netanyahu and Gadi Eisenkot could
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: get together and form a government of national unity?
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: Well, I really hope so. After such a divisive and
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: I have to say like poisonous campaign where every camp
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: see the other camp as an enemy, it's usually very
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: difficult to put that hatred aside. But there's many voices
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: who call for that. The president called for it yesterday.
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: I've been trying to echo this message as well. And
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: I really hope they open up their heart and they
• 47:25
  Speaker 9: listen to it because it's Chris, if there's another election
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: in six months, the result is going to be very
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: similar and they will have to sit together. I mean,
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: this is why Israel first has said from the start,
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: we're not in the pockets of anyone and we're going
• 47:40
  Speaker 9: to force both of these camps to sit together because
• 47:43
  Speaker 9: there's no other choice.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Sharon, thanks for joining us again.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Commiserations on what happened to you, but we'll keep in
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: touch as we see what unfolds in Israel. Sharon Haskell there,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: who's the chairwoman of Israel First. Just time for a
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: little bit of your feedback from what we had to
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: say on the show last night, especially about the economy.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: One viewer says, Albo spends, spends and we pay the price.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Ain't that the truth? And Joy says, here we go again.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Labor spends, the next government cuts back, people don't like
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: it and vote Labor back in. I'm over 70 and
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I've seen it time and time again.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Haven't we all? Haven't we all? I'll see you next week.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter Quedlin.