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S4 48. Dr Mike Davis – Thoughts are Powerful, Renew your Mind · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  Hello, folks, this is Princess, you are listening to the
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  friends. I stopped wearing a very tough
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  spot. I think that what we're doing
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  right now is a great benefit and virtue because it's an
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  end-around between this whole corrupt informational system
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  media system. We claim to believe in a God who
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  spoke the universe into existence and literally raised
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  himself from the dead. And yet, we're not going to
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  believe that anything else exists in the spirit realm, even
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  though his word tells us that they do, Their bodies weren't
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  permitted to go to sleep, like, humans do, and they weren't
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  permitted to go to heaven. So they wander the Earth, you
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  know, I've seen the eyes turned black to unknown tongues being
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  spoken. These Giants were love way up
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  with all the upgrades, the young man behind have been the trees.
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  The way for one of these 12 quarters to come walking down
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  the back and he would jump on Dragon back.
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  Then people start to get weapons, they start to get
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  armor, they start to build cities they still supported by
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  their cities. Now God looks down and there's
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  violence everywhere. The battle this war that we are
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  at is not against each other. It's against these
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  principalities in these rulers in, these are cons in high
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  places. It's really worthwhile to read
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  the Bible. A beer is one of the primary
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  drivers of mind control because we have to take every thought
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  captive and resist. You're going to have a testimony
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  that is a Justice case against the kingdom of darkness.
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  Welcome back to the millennial Mustard Seed pod cast, I have an
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  excellent Episode in store for you guys, I have dr.
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  Mike Davis here with me and this is a crazy.
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  Cool conversation. He's the president lead trainer
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  of the Optimal Performance. Mike is a Christian and he has
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  done some extensive research over the last 20 years and we
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  dive into a sound mind. Renewing the mind how the whole
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  entire breakdown of how much that actually changes.
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  Has our bodies Our Lives, the way that we view the world.
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  This is an important one because I know a lot of the times people
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  are dealing with fear doubt. And let's just be honest you
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  guys we haven't always had the best role models in life.
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  To teach us how to think or how to deal with any of the things
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  that we go through. And in today's day and age, it's
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  imperative that we slow down and we hear a message like what Mike
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  is going to be bringing to the table.
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  I wanted to give a real quick. Shout out to Chuck over a fire
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  theft radio for getting me in contact with Mike Davis.
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  You guys will love his show, hopefully he'll be on here in
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  the future. I'm really excited for this
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  episode. It's two hours long Mike
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  literally just does his thing I jump in and ask questions and
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  he's just a teacher at heart. And information just flows out
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  of him in this episode but I'm not going to waste any more
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  time. I am ready for this episode.
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  Are you guys ready? Let's go.
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  Welcome back to the show everybody.
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  I have an excellent guest here. Mike, welcome to the show and
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  thank you so much for being here.
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  Happy to be here. Why don't you just let me in the
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  audience? Know a little bit of your
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  testimony, your background kind of how you found your calling
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  and what you're doing, okay? How you became a Christian.
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  I'm 57 now became a Christian was 14, my reading the book of
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  Revelation of all things. It's a long story that I won't
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  get into everything, but my mother had sent me a Bible for
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  my 14th birthday. I was living with my grandmother
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  at the time in Illinois. My mother was here in
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  California. Well, my brother's house going
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  to Joint, my mother had moved out here.
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  And I was going to join them the following year and I ended up
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  reading the Bible, one night just house board.
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  Actually, and I was reading through the Book of Revelation
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  and God just used it to imprint upon my heart that these things
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  are real and I end up accepting him into my life that night
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  about 2:00. O'clock in the morning, all by
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  myself. So I became a Christian and did
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  just had an insatiable desire to start reading the Bible.
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  Nobody told me to do that. It was just the which kind of
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  shows me the work of the holy spirit that I just had this
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  desire to read the Bible. So I began reading primarily at
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  that time. The Book of Matthew and I just
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  started reading through the back with a book of Matthew became my
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  favorites me over and over and then right after that, I had
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  some dreams. I read the story of Joseph, and
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  I kind of knew that there were some things going on that God
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  can speak to you through dreams, but I really wasn't used to any
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  of that. So, I had this dream and make a,
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  long story short, the dream I knew was calling me to
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  leadership. I didn't know what type of
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  leadership at the time I had this dream where I was in the
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  dream, I was in this Cavern, which to me, I took to be like
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  hell, And on the other side and I, when I look down to this,
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  this crevice this, this we're just, it was like a crevasse
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  separating one side from the over the other and I saw my
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  friends and teachers and it was like they were in this fire,
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  this molten lava and so I we were doubting me and some other
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  people were battling these demons.
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  And I just remember in the dream, I said something like for
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  the, for the glory of the Lord, for the sake of the Lord, and I
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  leaped across this cabin and there was a sword.
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  In my hand. And so I started you know in the
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  enemy was on the other side and in the dream he was like don't
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  let him get to me. Don't let him get to me.
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  And I woke up and I was like, what the heck was that?
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  I wouldn't told my teacher, the next day about this dream and my
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  teacher said well, I don't know if my teacher at the time was a
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  Christian or not. But he said your I think this
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  means you're called the leadership and I was like, yeah,
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  I thought I was like, whoa, so I end up moving to California when
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  I was 15. I was going in. 15 years old, I
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  was pronounced breed praying and reading my Bible every day and I
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  just knew that I was called into Ministry.
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  I didn't know what type of first and so I just kind of thought
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  I'll just going to be a Bible teacher.
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  Like I'd saw a television, I travel around and just teach the
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  Bible. So I start studying the Bible as
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  much as I could trying to learn as much as I could.
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  And, you know, knew I was called into Ministry.
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  I would teach Bible studies. I remember, we would have, we
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  lived in these apartments in Upland.
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  California, I'm in Southern California and And I we were,
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  you know, we're in these apartments and we would I would
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  pass out tracts to the kids and the apartments.
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  We would bring them over to our home.
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  We would have Bible studies and we witness to and led to the
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  Lord. Every kid in that apartment
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  complex, you know. I don't know how much of that
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  would stay, but, you know, but we they would come and he would
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  stay. And I would not, I knew very
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  little about the Bible. I was watching people on TV and
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  then repeating what? I heard them say, and that's how
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  I started. Had become plagiarism but I
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  didn't, but I don't like it. I'm just teaching a Bible, but I
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  was doing that and I knew it was called in a friend of mine.
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  She said you're called the pass. I would oh no, I don't ever want
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  to be a pastor new. No, no, no, that's one thing I
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  didn't want to be at the no, no, I just want to travel around and
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  teach the Bible but years, later idea could call into the
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  pastorate. And I in doing all of that, you
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  know, in a course of time, when I knew I was called at 15.
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  I said I'm going to seek God. I'm going to prepare for
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  Ministry so I decided this was just my decision but I believe
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  it was. It was the Lord's leading.
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  I decided not to date. I thought I'm not going to day.
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  I was 15. I thought board at, for some
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  something said, you need to get prepared, which, I believe is.
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  Holy Spirit, you need to prepare for Ministry.
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  So I thought I'm going to spend my time getting focused on
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  preparing to do to fulfill my call.
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  So I just, I didn't date. I prayed, I studied, that's my
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  life, was that praying and studying?
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  So I didn't do anything. 18. At the time, I have to say
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  Frank, praying studying the comic books.
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  I was looking for my three cats don't like table books to this
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  day, but I didn't date. And I just, I guess I left it in
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  the hands of Lord. I said, you know, Laura what I
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  like, you know what? I don't like.
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  I'll trust you and I believe he spoke to me and said, if you let
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  me pick for you, I'll pick for you.
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  Someone better than you could ever pick for yourself.
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  So this is 15 fast forward. I'm about getting ready to turn
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  21 and I meet Eat, who was the the lady who was going to be my
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  wife, Karen, she we met and we both hit it off.
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  We were friends for about a year.
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  There's a whole story to that, which I won't get into, but we
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  got, we end up getting married, three years later and so, I've
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  been married. We've been, we've been together
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  thirty-seven years. We've been married. 34 would be
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  35 this year. So yeah, we've been very for a
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  while. But in the midst of that, you
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  know, we did we started a church and I was, you know, Pastor and
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  we were pastoring in leading people.
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  And there are always small fellowships.
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  And I have been in Ministry because I used to travel like,
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  to go to New York and Minister, and it was kind of fulfilling
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  that dream. I never wanted to be a pastor, I
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  remember the one when they walk into my bedroom, this is before
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  I got married and God just dropped in my heart to Shepherd
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  his sheep. I never had a desire for that
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  and I just II distinctively. Remember, walking into the
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  bedroom walking across the room, all sounded just like link clue
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  and I went yeah II just had this love and concern and care for
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  God's people into want to Shepherd them.
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  Not just going in deliver a message and leave you know.
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  And so I knew that's what the Lord had called me to do and and
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  so we did that for a while we actually should Pastor the
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  church. Called our first church was
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  burying Christian Fellowship because in the midst of that,
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  what happened was two things. That was significant that I was
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  involved in a particular week. I had a charismatic background
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  noise belong to a particular group And I began to see the
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  some of the things we were teaching.
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  We're not right. Mmm.
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  And so I started doing research, you know, and I had heard a
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  minister on television scholar would said, if you're going to
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  study the Bible, especially if your city, the New Testament,
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  you need to understand it in its original cultural historical
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  context, and he said, for the Bible That's first century
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  Judaism. So I thought.
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  Okay, so I need to understand something about first century
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  Judaism and so that's what I did to do.
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  Someone just brought me water so I began I start I realized that.
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  Okay if I need to own understand the Bible because I saw that
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  some of the Theology of what I have been taught.
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  I said this is not solid theology.
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  You know we need to bet when that my thinking was we need to
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  be better in our theology. We need to have a better
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  theological foundation so I started to study something out
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  for the most part it was trying to prove that what I had been
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  taught was right and You're correct.
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  Some things. The more I studied the more I
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  saw old man. What what I've been taught was
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  wrong. This is not right.
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  But we made it, you know, my wife and I we slowly came out of
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  that and I found a mentor who began teaching me the name of a
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  doctor, William being, and he became my mentor for the next 25
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  years in biblical studies. Well, and he had started a
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  school for pastors who wanted to go back to school and get their
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  degree. So I end up studying her knee
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  him for a few years, then I end up going and end up getting a th
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  D from his school. Cool.
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  A doctor of Theology and my focus was on understanding the
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  Bible and its cultural context of the degree was a degree in
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  first century Christianity in his Jewish context.
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  I got my masters and doctorate through him.
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  And my focus also was on Paul. I was trying to understand Paul
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  in the, in his Jewish context because everybody else was
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  studying Jesus, and his context and understanding that the
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  jurors the gospels like, what about Paul?
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  So, I became the Paul guy in our group.
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  Oof and as long as it's not, my passion was for Paul and it
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  still is. I love the Apostle Paul, if he's
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  just phenomenal, the way he was used of God but in the midst of
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  that at one point and I need a back up just a little bit.
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  So my wife and I got married. I was 23.
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  She was 22. We were 12 weeks into our
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  marriage. My wife comes to me and says, I
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  hate being married. I don't want to be married
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  anymore and I don't want to have physical intimacy sex with you
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  anymore. The reason why is because my
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  wife had been severely abused as a child.
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  She had been sexually abused. You've been emotionally abused,
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  physically abused. And so what, we didn't know, at
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  the time, I'm 23, she's 22. We had no knowledge to the
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  shoes, experiencing PTSD. So I showed what she said to me
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  later. What she says, when you reach
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  for me, I didn't see your hand. I saw the hand of all the People
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  who abuse me. So we had that in our marriages.
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  Our first year of marriage, there is 12 weeks after we have
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  been married. Then I had a fear that I had
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  since I was 16 years old and it was growing, it was and it was a
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  tormenting fear in my mind, it had kind of kind of kind of
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  gotten installed because of something that I was told at a
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  church meeting and a prayer meeting, and it opened up the
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  door for the devil to plant this thought in my mind that created
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  fear and I would have been struggling with this is I was
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  16. I was Now 23 going on 24 and it
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  was growing and I did everything rather than you to do.
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  I prayed I faster. Over evil, I rebuke the devil.
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  He wouldn't buek, I bind the devil, I lose the devil.
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  I did everything that I could do to do and I couldn't get any
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  relief from the fear. So one day, I'm 24 years old is
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  about a year into our marriage. We're dealing with this with my
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  wife, she doesn't want to be touched.
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  I would reach for my wife to be intimate.
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  She would just clench up, and just draw her hands to herself
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  and just clench up really tight like, in a ball.
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  And she because she didn't want to be touched.
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  She was having PTSD flashbacks, which again, I did know.
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  And she didn't know what it was. So this is all going on.
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  I went to God. I said, God, we know number one.
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  I don't I want to be married to her.
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  I don't know what to do. And I got this fear that I'm
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  struggling with and the first thing we saw I'm sitting down
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  reading my Bible and a nephew is growing.
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  I said Lord what do I do? I've done everything I know to
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  do it and that day, I happened to be in Reading in Romans
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  chapter 12 where it says be transformed by the renewing of
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  your mind. I'm reading that verse and the
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  Lord speaks to me through that verse and I hear you need to
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  renew your mind and I said to God, I thought I haven't My
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  mind. I've been a Christian for 10
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  years. I pray every day.
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  I read my Bible every day. If I have been renewing my
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  that's all I heard was you need to renew your mind, nothing else
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  will say. So I said, okay, God, if you're
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  saying I need to renew my mind I thought I was evidently I
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  haven't teach me how to renew my mind.
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  And that began a journey of trying to understand about my
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  mind about emotions. And that's really how it started
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  because of what I was struggling with and also with what my wife
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  is struggling with because you know, we have that going on with
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  the abuse that she was, you know, still dealing with.
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  And she would pry, it should go. It's not you it's not you and I
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  would think to myself it has to be me.
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  I'm the only one here, you know, you know, but it wasn't me.
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  It was he was what she was struggling with.
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  So I was asking God for Answers people have often often say,
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  well, why didn't you guys go to counseling?
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  And I jokingly, but seriously say I do black people don't go
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  to counseling. It's that's on why people do.
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  But people think coming down slowly, but it's also true in
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  the black community. There was a stigma for going to
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  counseling. However, that's not why I didn't
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  go. It was, it never occurred to me
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  to go to counseling. It just, it wasn't on my radar.
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  That's not what we did in our community.
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  So I didn't. I was so we, I Only thing I knew
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  to do, I prayed, I said God, what do I do?
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  So little by little and I'm going to share the story.
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  I began learning about the mind, I began learning about emotions.
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  At first, I was reading all the Christian books, I could read
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  and I hate to say, they weren't much help because I was asking,
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  God questions about emotions. And most of the Christian
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  literature, I was reading at that time because this is an we
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  were married in 88. So this is like 89 90.
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  Most of the Christian literature at that time was like, well
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  there's not much you can do about your emotions, you just,
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  you got to make the right decisions.
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  Seek to think the right thoughts, do the right behaviors
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  and eventually your emotions will catch up.
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  So the response towards emotions was one of passivity in terms of
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  the what I was reading the Christian literature.
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  I even have a book today in my library, where the guy basically
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  says, there's not much you can do about him and this is a
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  famous Christian. What we do in the mind and he
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  basically says, I think, what I mean fan is, it was well-known.
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  And the guy said, and by the way, I do, when I say this, I'm
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  not trying to put him down everybody, I believe.
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  Now everybody's doing their best to help people.
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  So his view was, there's not much you can do about your
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  emotion, you provide the Forum in God will fill it and by that
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  he means, amen, let's say you have a trouble loving.
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  Well, you just act lovey. Make the decision to act, loving
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  and God will fill your heart with love.
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  Eventually, and I always like to say the teaching was God.
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  God will somewhere down the line.
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  Your emotions will catch up. We don't know when we don't know
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  how but eventually they will catch up that wasn't helping me.
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  I was tormented by this fear, I would try to do that and the
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  fear would take over people with it.
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  Well, you got to trust God. You got to do it by faith.
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  I try that. And that fear just would be so
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  powerful. And so, the more I start
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  learning. Wow, I started to recognize that
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  we We lack wisdom when it came to deal with our emotions are
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  starting to study about the my now starting to see things that
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  and at the same time I was starting to study the Bible.
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  And I believe this was the plan of God.
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  So while I'm starting to study about the mind and emotions, I'm
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  also studying the Bible in his historical and cultural and
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  linguistic context. So I'm going deeper into the
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  scriptures, looking at things in Greek, and Hebrew and the
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  culture of the day, what I'm learning because I had to go, I
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  had to step outside my Christian books and I start reading books
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  on psychology. Elegy.
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  I start reading books on Neuroscience which were I came
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  from. That was kind of a taboo at the
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  time. It's like, no, no, no.
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  You just stick with the Bible. You stick with Christian books
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  and if you outside of that was, it was, it was considered taboo.
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  So I was reading these things, but I was seeing things and I
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  would go back. I'm leaving.
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  This is what I just learned over here about what this word heart
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  actually means in Hebrew, and this word has to do with the
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  emotions. So it was parallel paralleling
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  each other and I was Days. And it will, I think it's the
• 20:32
  grace of God that I was learning these things in parallel because
• 20:36
  I have to say, I was scared. I was like, I don't know if this
• 20:39
  is right or not what I'm starting over here in psychology
• 20:41
  stuff, but then I'm reading stuff in my biblical studies,
• 20:44
  you know, doing more advanced studies, more deeper studies and
• 20:47
  their parallel in each other and I believe God used that to bring
• 20:51
  me along. So I start applying what I was
• 20:53
  learning to myself and I can't tell you when it happened.
• 20:57
  One day, I looked up and I realized that Fear was gone.
• 21:03
  It was completely gone. I don't even remember when it
• 21:05
  left, I just knew I was no longer tormented in my mind that
• 21:08
  it was directly cause of what I learned about the emotions of
• 21:11
  learning, how to renew my mind. Then what happened is my wife
• 21:16
  started because I start teaching these things that are little
• 21:19
  Fellowship, you know, and just didn't know as much as I do now.
• 21:23
  But I was sharing what I knew, people start applying it or my
• 21:26
  wife started applying it and she started to find Freedom And 37
• 21:32
  years later. You know what, 34 years later in
• 21:35
  terms of marriage, we're still together people.
• 21:37
  You know, because I always jokingly said he was a.
• 21:38
  Well, did you guys ever overcome that I go?
• 21:40
  Well, we got, you know, three daughters.
• 21:42
  So yeah, we overcame I said, but it was the grace of God leading
• 21:48
  us and guiding us. Step-by-step my why I always
• 21:50
  tell people, my wife is my hero because I know what she
• 21:53
  overcame. I know that obstacle she's to be
• 21:55
  depressed every day. Almost every day, is she would
• 21:58
  cry. Because of what she was feeling,
• 22:01
  she felt like she was a bad wife.
• 22:02
  She felt like she was a bad Keeper of the house and
• 22:05
  everything. She just felt horrible but it
• 22:07
  was, it was all that stuff. So she started finding Freedom.
• 22:10
  Then friends of mine would come over and in these, are people in
• 22:14
  the ministry and they would go home.
• 22:16
  And I'm just struggling with stuff.
• 22:17
  And what I found Rod was a lot of people spend.
• 22:20
  Even ministers were secretly struggling with the emotions,
• 22:24
  like, I was struggling, but nobody knew it and we were all
• 22:28
  kind of keeping a front of Or people faith.
• 22:30
  And we believe God and we believe his word, but privately
• 22:33
  they're struck, they were struggling.
• 22:35
  So I started one of my friends came over one day and I said,
• 22:38
  well, and by the way, I was reluctant to share what I knew
• 22:41
  because again, I'll still like, I don't know.
• 22:43
  This is completely gotten on finding Freedom.
• 22:45
  My wife was like, I don't know what you're afraid of.
• 22:48
  I'm free. I could care less what other
• 22:49
  people say. She's that way to this day?
• 22:52
  Well, I gotta make sure that everything is biblical.
• 22:53
  So, I'm, you know, I'm doing my research and my one of my
• 22:57
  friends came over, he was struggling.
• 22:59
  So I shared something with him. I said we'll try this and see if
• 23:02
  this works. He comes back about a week, two
• 23:04
  weeks later. He goes, oh my, he's a man that
• 23:06
  Set Me Free. You got anything else, you know?
• 23:09
  And so that little by little, I started sharing with people and
• 23:13
  people were telling me, they were finding Freedom, we were
• 23:15
  teaching at at our church and I think the real turning point for
• 23:20
  me came, when a friend of mine, who's a pastor Pastor, Willie
• 23:23
  Estrada, really good friend of mine.
• 23:26
  He is pastoring a church at the time called by his Irit
• 23:29
  fellowship and Willie. And I would meet, we would meet
• 23:31
  on a regular basis for breakfast and we would, you know, keep in
• 23:34
  one. Another accountable, we would
• 23:36
  share our frustrations and stuff and he goes, what are you
• 23:38
  teaching on? I thought I've been doing this
• 23:40
  series at our church on. Renewing the mind he goes.
• 23:43
  Hey, can you come to my church and teach on that?
• 23:45
  I said, sure. So I went to his church after 13
• 23:48
  weeks. I taught on renewing the mind
• 23:50
  and the very first night I start, and I'm teaching things
• 23:53
  that a lot of people had never heard of before, because I'm
• 23:55
  talking about the mind, the emotions Neuroscience, you know,
• 23:59
  And I say, I when I was teaching someone said to me and my focus
• 24:05
  was on how to how to renew the mind.
• 24:09
  Not just telling people what to do, but telling them how to do
• 24:11
  it. Because I, that's one thing, I
• 24:13
  always struggle with our bike, you know, we're always hearing
• 24:16
  sermons about what we're supposed to do, but we're not
• 24:18
  really told how to do it. Like, you gotta forgive, well,
• 24:21
  how do you forgive? You know, you get a little, how
• 24:23
  do you love? And usually the answer was, what
• 24:25
  you trust God. Okay.
• 24:27
  So then I'd ask, well, how do you trust God?
• 24:28
  God. So the these things kick, you
• 24:31
  know, and no one really gave me when they when I would hear the
• 24:35
  answers. It was not a how-to was more of
• 24:38
  what to I'm going. That's not a how to answer.
• 24:41
  So I started focused on how specific steps.
• 24:44
  You could take. That would create a changing
• 24:46
  your mind and your emotions. And what ended up happening was,
• 24:49
  I was teaching it one night. The first night, I was teaching
• 24:52
  at my friends church, one of the guys in the service I'll never
• 24:56
  forget him exam discuss, he still a friend of mine today and
• 24:58
  he's Says, you know, I asked me if I was asking for feedback but
• 25:01
  at this point I was also a professional.
• 25:04
  I do corporate training for organizations and so one of the
• 25:08
  things we do is ask for feedback and I said saying that have any
• 25:10
  questions or anything? And someone said, I just got a
• 25:13
  comment and say, yeah, he goes, you know, I have to tell you all
• 25:16
  my life. I've been taught to renew my
• 25:18
  mind as a Christian I've been told to renew my mind.
• 25:21
  This is the first time. Someone has told me how And when
• 25:25
  I heard that at that, exact moment, I felt this is what I'm
• 25:31
  supposed to do was that moment when he said that I was like, it
• 25:37
  was like it was like time kind of froze for just a moment.
• 25:39
  It's like this is why you're here.
• 25:42
  The corner. This is why you're and I was it
• 25:44
  was, it was a transforming moment for me because I went
• 25:47
  home that night thinking, I have to teach people how to do this.
• 25:50
  I have to teach more people, how to renew their minds.
• 25:52
  I've got to teach people how to deal with their emotions, so
• 25:54
  that's what my wife, we end up starting an organization called
• 25:57
  the center for Christian training and development.
• 26:00
  And our goal is to help people to understand the Bible better,
• 26:04
  and its historical and cultural context and to teach people how
• 26:08
  to renew their minds and manage their emotions.
• 26:11
  So that's in a nutshell. I said a lot there, but that's
• 26:14
  how we got started. That's powerful.
• 26:18
  I'll just take it. A journey with you're saying
• 26:19
  stuff. I had to mute the mic.
• 26:22
  This is something that I find is not, well, talked about, and
• 26:28
  even if they talk about it, that step by step process, you're
• 26:31
  referring to, like, how does that actually translate?
• 26:33
  Like, when we read scripture, perfect?
• 26:35
  Love casts out, fear. God says all these times the Old
• 26:38
  Testament do not fear. Do not be afraid but yet we have
• 26:41
  Generation of people. Yes.
• 26:43
  Riddle didn't fear. Yeah.
• 26:45
  And one of the things I have in my notes here just that I wanted
• 26:48
  to ask you about because I had dr.
• 26:50
  Laura Sanger own, a few different times over the last
• 26:53
  like year and a half and I know we did an episode on marriage
• 26:56
  and she, I talked about how her husband he was taught by his
• 26:59
  parents. Like when you get these little
• 27:01
  arguments or, like fights or something like that, that he
• 27:03
  would actually like humble himself, he will pray.
• 27:06
  And then he would with a soft touch at the same time, just say
• 27:10
  like generally I'm sorry. Yeah, and like there was like
• 27:13
  this way that he taught her to connect it more than just like,
• 27:17
  oh, I'm sorry, roll your eyes and walk away, because the body
• 27:19
  language was saying, I'm not really sorry and a lot of the
• 27:22
  times we messed up from the world.
• 27:24
  What is the step by step process look like to overcome the
• 27:28
  plethora of different information that we have to read
• 27:32
  from? But how does it translate into
• 27:34
  actual process? I heard it said by somebody
• 27:39
  else, that if we're in a state of Here, right?
• 27:42
  Like I think it's the amygdala or they called the reptilian
• 27:45
  portion of the brain is responsible for like the fight
• 27:48
  or flight and if we're in. Yeah.
• 27:51
  That's that's what's now it's kind of big that's being seen as
• 27:54
  kind of the old model of the brain matter of, oh, this book
• 27:57
  right here, how cold, how emotions are made its by dr.
• 28:01
  Lisa Feldman, Barrett Chief because he says, yeah that old
• 28:04
  model doesn't work anymore. Oh wow.
• 28:07
  Well whoever yeah we do we construct the emotions.
• 28:13
  There's there's a there's a change going on.
• 28:15
  How we understand how the brain works.
• 28:17
  When. Yeah, there are parts of the
• 28:19
  brain where we construct, one of the things she argues that I've
• 28:22
  taught for years. She says we construct.
• 28:24
  Our emotions is not so much that your emotions.
• 28:26
  Get housed in a certain part of your brain is that we construct,
• 28:30
  our emotions, and this is actually what I've taught from
• 28:34
  more of a, not, a neuroscientific perspective, but
• 28:37
  from a more psychological perspective, I would teach
• 28:39
  people. I said, well, you construct your
• 28:40
  emotions and We talked about how emotions are constructed.
• 28:44
  And if you understand the structure of emotions, once you
• 28:47
  understand the components that make up your emotional
• 28:49
  experience, then you can change the components and change your
• 28:51
  emotion experience. That's D does deep.
• 28:55
  Let me say that was the question.
• 28:56
  You're going to ask me because I interrupt, you know, I'm
• 29:00
  learning. This is why I have the podcast.
• 29:03
  We're capturing the the experience I had written down
• 29:08
  that when we are operating in fear.
• 29:11
  Over a long period of time. It can actually lower our immune
• 29:14
  system, make us more susceptible, like it can like,
• 29:16
  dampen are just natural healthy State.
• 29:19
  Yeah. And emotions was that was
• 29:21
  interesting. Yeah.
• 29:22
  There is a book written two years ago called molecules
• 29:24
  molecules of the Mind by dr. Candace, pert, the late dr.
• 29:28
  Canus /. She's passed on.
• 29:29
  One of the things that she said is that emotions are the Nexus
• 29:33
  between Mind and Body. In other words, what connects
• 29:36
  mind and body is emotion. And so one of the reasons we
• 29:41
  decide well what you think and can impact your body but not
• 29:44
  without emotion. And so when you think of certain
• 29:48
  way, you're feeling certain emotions, it's going to impact
• 29:50
  your body. There is a study done by dr.
• 29:54
  Barbara Fredrickson dr. Barbara Frederick.
• 29:56
  And she she's a psychologist and she won an award called the
• 30:01
  Templeton prize for the her Broad and built theory of
• 30:03
  emotion. And you can make this all up.
• 30:06
  She was the first one who did research and actually did the
• 30:10
  study to show that. When you are in certain
• 30:12
  emotional states, it will impact your thinking, it can impact
• 30:17
  your body. It can cause you when you're
• 30:18
  when you're in, what we call - I don't normally use this term to
• 30:21
  when you're in negative emotional states, like fear,
• 30:24
  okay? It can cause your your awareness
• 30:27
  to constrict you don't have access to all of your resources.
• 30:31
  We do know that speak stress, which fear Anger, all those
• 30:35
  things can become under stress. It can suppress your immune
• 30:38
  system because when you're in those emotional states is
• 30:41
  releasing certain neural chemicals into your body.
• 30:43
  Like cortisol cortisol, which if you got too much of that
• 30:47
  released, it can dampen your immune system.
• 30:52
  You see the book behind me? Deep book here called, emotional
• 30:55
  success is written by another Doctor, dr.
• 30:57
  David this Tonneau he talks about Doing doing things with
• 31:03
  wait, what they call grit or pure willpower Marissa's, doing
• 31:07
  them with the writing motion. And what he saw that, he cites a
• 31:12
  study where and it goes to your point again, or question where
• 31:17
  they looked at African-American children in low-income
• 31:20
  neighborhoods who are working hard, educational wise.
• 31:24
  They were studying, they were pushing themselves.
• 31:26
  They did well in school, but it was causing deteriorate distress
• 31:30
  was causing deterioration. Of their cells.
• 31:34
  So, what you're saying is, right?
• 31:36
  It's been shown that. Hey, certain emotional states,
• 31:38
  if you stay in the long term, what we call negative emotions
• 31:41
  that are that we normally call negative emotions.
• 31:45
  There's a reason I referred in the emotions as - we can get
• 31:48
  into that. But if you experience them over
• 31:50
  time, consistently, it can start to impact your, your DNA, it can
• 31:57
  start impacting. What your how, you know, your
• 32:00
  immune system you can suppress your immune system.
• 32:03
  So Us can make you sick, stress can literally make you sick
• 32:07
  anger. It can impact the heart and
• 32:08
  everything else. And they're also saying where
• 32:11
  the reverse is true, gratitude can strengthen the immune
• 32:14
  system, you know? So when we see things you so
• 32:18
  gratitude Happiness joy, what we call the positive emotions,
• 32:21
  those can have a nurturing effect upon your physical
• 32:26
  well-being as well as your mental and will be are.
• 32:30
  All right, so my mind is doing a lot of really awesome thing.
• 32:33
  Right now listening to you. I like this a lot in Japan to
• 32:37
  stop me in any type of, I'll just start rolling.
• 32:39
  It's like there's no Clarity of choice when we're operating in
• 32:44
  fear, right? If this a fearful mindset,
• 32:47
  there's no Clarity of choice. It's it is restricting like it.
• 32:51
  Like, even as I was listen to you say that, I'm like, yeah, if
• 32:54
  we're fearful, it's very restricting.
• 32:55
  We don't see like, well, hold on, let me slow down and think
• 32:58
  this through and oh, well this is what's going on here and if
• 33:02
  I'm feeling fearful, maybe I need to To re-evaluate and
• 33:05
  actually see what level of severity I should move forward,
• 33:08
  right? But that takes a sound mind and
• 33:13
  I believe that that comes from God.
• 33:15
  So it what it takes a sound mind, which I do believe is a
• 33:19
  gift of God, and it along with that.
• 33:22
  It takes training. There's a verse of scripture in
• 33:26
  first Timothy believe. His first, Timothy 4:8, were the
• 33:30
  Apostle Paul writes to Timothy. He says, basically, it's like
• 33:36
  physical exercise profits for a little while.
• 33:39
  Yeah. But godliness, you know, and
• 33:41
  what he says is exercise, yourself rather unto godliness,
• 33:44
  the word in Greek, for exercise. Gugu nods 0 is literally train
• 33:49
  yourself. Repeating Gallery like, yes and
• 33:53
  the word for train in Greek, refers to the training, the mind
• 33:56
  and body. Wow.
• 33:59
  So as Believers, I read a book a long time ago, I believe it was
• 34:03
  by John ortberg, I don't remember the name of it but he
• 34:06
  said that he said that that as Christians what we need to do.
• 34:10
  And I so love this quote, he said so often.
• 34:12
  We try so hard to be better Christians.
• 34:16
  He says we don't need to try harder.
• 34:18
  We need to train better. Wow.
• 34:22
  And so, a lot of reasons, one of the reasons that we struggle so
• 34:25
  much is that we do not train our mind and emotion.
• 34:30
  One of the, when I, when I went, when I was a, my friend that I
• 34:34
  told you about dr. Pastor Willie.
• 34:36
  Estrada, I end up becoming an assistant pastor at his church
• 34:39
  for about. We went there for about seven
• 34:41
  years and while I was there, I became an assistant pastor and I
• 34:45
  did a message one Sunday called how to train your emotions.
• 34:50
  Mmm and and I think it's either I have it right here.
• 34:54
  I used to have it sitting on my I don't have it.
• 34:57
  It's somewhere on my desk here but I have the original tape
• 35:00
  from that it was flying from years ago.
• 35:02
  Like my oldest daughter is 29 almost 30.
• 35:06
  She was I think she was like 9 when I didn't that message.
• 35:10
  So I still have the original Direction.
• 35:12
  How long ago it was it's on cassette tape.
• 35:14
  Okay but I did that message on how to train and Show them.
• 35:20
  I say your emotions can be trained now.
• 35:23
  I was saying this at a time when most people didn't think that
• 35:26
  way about their emotions and they did believe it.
• 35:29
  But I showed from scripture as a you can, we can train our
• 35:31
  emotions and I also was quoting the scientific literature.
• 35:36
  And I said, listen, we can train our emotions.
• 35:39
  So a lot of what we are find difficult is because we are
• 35:43
  untrained. You know, it's like going out
• 35:45
  there and saying, well like my wife, once did a Marathon, she
• 35:50
  went. And she did a 26-mile marathon
• 35:53
  and she and the way she did when she ran and walked it ran and
• 35:56
  walked it, but she completed it, but she had to train for it.
• 36:00
  If she would have went out there the day of the marathon and said
• 36:03
  I'm going to do 26 Mile, she wouldn't have made it a mile.
• 36:07
  In order to do the marathon, she had to train.
• 36:10
  So many of us are, are seeking to live good Christian lives and
• 36:15
  we don't train for. Can I give you one more quote?
• 36:17
  Yeah. So there's this sport
• 36:19
  psychologist. He used to be, he wasn't Olympic
• 36:24
  trainer. And psychologists name is Jim
• 36:26
  lore, and he had trained Olympic Athlete, he became a coach and
• 36:32
  executive coach for business Executives.
• 36:36
  Okay? And he wrote something in
• 36:38
  Harvard Business Review that I read years ago and he said, I
• 36:42
  noticed something he says I'm working with these Executives in
• 36:46
  their offices. He's I noticed there's a
• 36:48
  difference between the executives and the Olympic
• 36:51
  athletes. He said an Olympic Athlete will
• 36:55
  spin years in practice and preparation for just a few
• 37:00
  moments a performance. Think about, I've had friends
• 37:04
  who died, two friends, who were training for the Olympics?
• 37:07
  I know. That's true.
• 37:08
  They spend years in practice years in preparation for just a
• 37:11
  few few moments a few minutes. Wow performance.
• 37:16
  He said but I noticed the business Executives spend all
• 37:19
  their time in performance and very little to no time in
• 37:23
  practice and preparation. And when I heard that, I'm even
• 37:27
  thought of members of the body of Christ and I said, we spend
• 37:30
  the majority of our time in performance as Believers very
• 37:34
  little time in practice and preparation.
• 37:37
  Asian. And so this is why I talk about
• 37:41
  training, training, your emotions.
• 37:43
  I believe that biblical things that we are called to do, like
• 37:45
  the meditate upon God's word, that's preparation.
• 37:49
  But then it's like, well, how do you meditate upon God's word?
• 37:51
  What's involved in meditation? What are the different types of
• 37:54
  biblical meditation? I'm talking about biblical
• 37:56
  meditation, and these are things, I started studying over
• 37:59
  the years. Start, looking at all the
• 38:00
  different words that are used words.
• 38:03
  Like, huh, God words like Sasha, Belle, Fourche out, all of these
• 38:07
  different Edwards to do with the mind and can deal with, they do
• 38:11
  with meditation and they have to do with the mind and emotions
• 38:14
  and I was never taught these things.
• 38:16
  So in our training and our teaching, we talk about these
• 38:19
  things a lot in the church I Pastor which is now called The
• 38:22
  Oasis. They hear a lot of emotions
• 38:26
  because every so often I'll just do a whole series and I'll say
• 38:30
  this one other thing and you can ask me any other question when
• 38:33
  the pandemic happened, there was a lot of fear.
• 38:37
  Yeah, lot of anxieties. I work as a coach, I have
• 38:41
  branded myself as an emotional success coach and I got a lot of
• 38:46
  calls. When the pandemic hit.
• 38:47
  My book was filled, my schedule was feel because people were in
• 38:52
  such fear such anxiety. People of our fellowship though.
• 38:57
  We couldn't we couldn't meet live.
• 38:59
  We'd actually before the pandemic happened, the place
• 39:01
  where we were renting, we'd end up not being able to use it
• 39:03
  again. So when the pandemic happened,
• 39:05
  it's like well, nobody's meeting now.
• 39:07
  And so we started meeting online and one of the things that
• 39:11
  really bless my heart because we're encouraging everyone don't
• 39:14
  be ruled by fear. You know pray seek God.
• 39:19
  Talk with your doctors, make wise decisions is what we're
• 39:21
  telling everyone. One of the people on our from
• 39:25
  our fellowship Who's online. She spoke of she says Pastor
• 39:28
  Mike, they call me Pastor Mike. She said I have to tell you
• 39:31
  though and everybody starts saying.
• 39:32
  Yeah, this is really true. They said all that you've taught
• 39:35
  us about dealing with our emotion, has prepared us for
• 39:38
  this. So that we're not in fear is
• 39:42
  because of what you and Pastor Karen would you guys have taught
• 39:44
  us? We are not in fear.
• 39:47
  That's so blessed me. I had no idea.
• 39:51
  They were going to say that. So they were saying thank you
• 39:53
  for all that. You've taught us about dealing
• 39:55
  with our emotions. That blessed me tremendously,
• 39:59
  all of that training leading up to those moments of making a
• 40:02
  choice, right? Exactly.
• 40:06
  So as you were talking, one of the things that I was trying to
• 40:09
  hold on to Because I'm taking the journey with you,
• 40:11
  Battlefield just like, this is so important for me personally,
• 40:16
  and I know it's going to affect other people.
• 40:18
  There's, there's a scripture where God says, without faith.
• 40:23
  We cannot please him and me, we, we think of the word pleasing.
• 40:27
  Like like, that's, it's appealing or satisfying.
• 40:31
  Maybe you see God's emotion is heart towards us when we're in
• 40:36
  faith. So, like, just like how many
• 40:38
  people read that verse I do without faith.
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  Is impossible to please God. But what you're doing and
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  talking about and God has led you to in your life is helping
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  to deepen the connection. And if you understanding because
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  we would I would just read over that in my earlier days.
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  I'm like, okay. So he's like happy or something.
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  He's going to smile, but, but it's so much more than that.
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  And then with the scripture, it's always kind of like that in
• 41:04
  the Bible, like you just keep going in.
• 41:06
  You like, I could spend the rest of my life doing this and I'm
• 41:10
  not going to find an Angela right of working this all
• 41:14
  together for four are good for his plans.
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  It's just It's amazing. You just have so much flowing
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  out of. You just seeing your face and
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  hearing you talk of reminds me of like that River of water,
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  that flows out of us. It's like something's boiling up
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  in you and you're like, okay, hold this back.
• 41:34
  Here is another one is another difference between Talent OR
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  anointing right? Yeah well that and that's what I
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  said. If I go to long does interrupt
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  me and To share their testimony and just share their heart.
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  And you know we'll have you down in the future and try to narrow
• 41:55
  in some some topics that that are relevant to what the body of
• 41:59
  Christ and just listeners around the world are dealing with but
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  yeah be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
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  Yeah let's talk about that a little bit, okay?
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  Because that is something that I struggle with and that you
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  coming from very outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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  Very secular the way, He grew up, I mean I got 15 your were
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  talking about. Okay, God, I'm gonna not date
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  and prepare. I got my first tattoo of those
• 42:27
  but I'm not happy to say that but it's like, you know, there
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  was a lot of trauma and there was I went to a big school.
• 42:36
  There was a lot of diversity are things to get caught up and
• 42:39
  wrapped up in. So I would say to people I'm
• 42:42
  just doing what I was taught, right?
• 42:44
  And then breaking that, I had a near-death encounter at like 19
• 42:48
  years old. I got jumped by a bunch of guys
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  and how to monitor out of body experience and that launched me
• 42:52
  into now questioning everything. Because now I'm around.
• 42:55
  Everything's under interrogation because nobody is talking about
• 42:59
  what I experience and that was kind of my shock into.
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  I've got it all wrong, not that I had anything right, but it was
• 43:06
  the reality check of their something so much more, and I
• 43:11
  don't know anything about that. Well, long story short.
• 43:14
  I like 24, I give my heart to Christ and it's been a rocky
• 43:18
  ride. So I'm happy that you're here to
• 43:22
  help me make sense and to make thick napkin as well as the
• 43:25
  listeners get into. Renewing of the Mind share with
• 43:29
  us like what some of that process look like for you an
• 43:33
  advice of how we make that reality.
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  How do we give the right training and effort to get the
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  result of peeling from these traumas?
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  I mean I still do with PTSD. How do we renew our mind in
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  these areas that affect us deeply Yeah.
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  Well, so part of it is, like I said, it's the know how its
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  noise, what is not only knowing what to do, but how to do it,
• 43:57
  which the Biblical term for that is wisdom.
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  Wisdom is skilled. One of the definitions of wisdom
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  is skill. It is how to, and what I start
• 44:04
  studying all this, the thing that I said, was one of the
• 44:07
  things that we have lacked is wisdom.
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  We've lacked how to do something, we've lacked the
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  skill, and a lot of it is within the biblical text, and one of
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  the things that I Variants one year.
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  And then I tell the surgeon start to show that God was
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  really involved. So one year, this is, when I'm
• 44:26
  early on, in my studies of trying, to figure out how to
• 44:28
  renew the mind of stuff, I'm reading this book called
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  Christian perspectives, on being human, And it's a kind of like
• 44:37
  an anthology is not a lot of different Scholars.
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  And, you know, they had neuroscientists and
• 44:41
  psychologists say the Theologian and they're writing about being
• 44:44
  human. They're writing about how, how,
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  and, well, one guy had a chapter on there that it wasn't about,
• 44:51
  renewing the mind, but he talked about that extensively in that
• 44:54
  chapter, and he talked about how change needs to occur, not just
• 44:59
  intellectually, but also emotionally, and we're not just
• 45:03
  intellectually not just below. Additionally not just what you
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  think, not just what you decide but also what you feel and he
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  says, without all three, there's not a true renewing of the mind
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  and I had come to that conclusion from what I was 10.
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  I went no, this is really true because when the Bible says be
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  transformed by the renewing of the Mind, most people take that
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  as just intellectually that you think new thoughts.
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  But if you look up the word mind in Greek, you can use something
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  as simple as a Strong's Concordance.
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  It'll say, The mind and intellect will and feeling.
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  The mine is composed of all three of those, and when I
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  remember, when I first learned it, our way, now that can't be
• 45:44
  right, he calls. I was always told there's not
• 45:47
  much you can do about your feelings and emotions and so
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  your emotions didn't really count.
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  They weren't part of the process of renewing.
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  The Mind, here, I'm reading. This is actually what the word
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  means in Greek. So I struggle with that.
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  But I kept doing research and my studies in Greek and Hebrew, you
• 46:03
  know, learning to look upwards and do and do studies in the
• 46:06
  original languages. It began to bear this out and I
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  went. Whoa.
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  So I'm reading this guy's book and he says that it takes all
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  three for their to truly affect a renewing of the mind.
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  And then, he says, this is why we're told to meditate upon
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  scripture because it had the idea was because it will affect
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  all three. And when I read that again I
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  believe the Lord spoke to my heart and has been borne out.
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  Now over the years, I heard the Bible is structured in such a
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  way as to touch and Transform, not only your intellect but also
• 46:41
  your emotions. And I heard that and I believe
• 46:44
  it was from the Lord and I said and I said to the Lord, what do
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  you mean? The Bible is structured in such
• 46:49
  a way. What does that mean?
• 46:51
  But again, it was all I heard that.
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  I knew that meant I needed to start studying.
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  So I started studying the structure of scripture.
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  How are the strip scriptures constructed?
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  And I began to it took many years, little by little I first
• 47:04
  start studying the Psalms which are, which are filled with
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  emotions and I start studying other things, long story short,
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  I began to find out, I began to study at one at one point.
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  What's called the rhetorical The Retreat?
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  What we could call it, the rhetorical structure of
• 47:19
  scripture that scriptures are written in such a way as they
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  are to, they seek to effect a change, not only in your
• 47:29
  thinking that also on how you feel.
• 47:31
  That the way the Apostle Paul role the way that the Apostle
• 47:34
  Peter wrote they wrote utilizing certain structures and styles
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  and what's known as devices in order to affect certain
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  responses from the people. And when I started to realize
• 47:46
  this, I was like, oh my gosh, this is what the Lord spoke to
• 47:48
  me. And so one of the things I
• 47:50
  started looking at was well, how are these things written?
• 47:54
  I started to realize the writers of scripture are making use of
• 47:57
  emotion to affect change. This is what we're normally not
• 48:03
  taught. We are taught that emotions.
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  We're normally taught emotions are, merely the byproduct of
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  changing your thinking What I began to see in my research, and
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  I mean, this has been borne out in.
• 48:16
  Also the Sciences Neuroscience, psychological research is not
• 48:21
  only can thought changing motion, but emotion, can change
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  thought. And so what I so what I began to
• 48:30
  see what's that were always focusing on just trying to
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  change it at the cognitive or 20 the at the intellectual level.
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  I said, what if we started first seeking to create change at the
• 48:41
  emotional level, it will automatically create a change at
• 48:45
  the intellectual level. So rather than just always
• 48:49
  thought needs to change emotion, I start saying emotion can
• 48:53
  change thought Now I was saying this and that and and it's not
• 48:59
  any worry to me. It was just what my research was
• 49:01
  showing. But if people like no, you know,
• 49:05
  and sometimes I still get people going.
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  No, I do know, there's a whole field of therapy called emotion
• 49:11
  focused therapy, where they use emotion to change emotion.
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  And so one of the reasons it is often so difficult and reason
• 49:20
  people struggle is because they are trying to deal with
• 49:23
  emotional issues, only from a cognitive level.
• 49:28
  And I tell people that I said, here's the thing when you're in
• 49:32
  when, if there's a battle between your intellect and your
• 49:36
  emotions, The majority of the time, your emotions are going to
• 49:40
  win. Hmm, they were over power.
• 49:43
  Where did this is? Why people struggle with porn
• 49:45
  addiction? This is why people struggle with
• 49:47
  sometimes, with anger with fear member austrane.
• 49:50
  Before I had the fear and I would try to be logical about.
• 49:52
  I'm going to apply my faith and I fear will come up and be like,
• 49:55
  well, that forget that, but it was learning how to utilize,
• 49:59
  emotion to change emotion. It doesn't, it doesn't take away
• 50:04
  the intellectual, the cognitive it would stick is still can work
• 50:06
  with it. But I've had friends sometimes
• 50:10
  who had some psychological training, they'll go.
• 50:11
  Well Mike know, you always have to you always have to have
• 50:14
  thought to change emotion, I go. No, that's not true.
• 50:17
  First of all, you can eat certain foods and it will change
• 50:19
  your emotional state. Yeah, independent of thought
• 50:23
  certain foods will change your mood.
• 50:24
  You too much sugar, it will change your mood.
• 50:27
  You can think of GE you can eat too much sugar, you call it.
• 50:29
  You have a crash and no matter how positive you may think, you
• 50:32
  still go feel horrible. Because of that of the sugar
• 50:35
  that you've eaten, you can change your, you can change your
• 50:37
  physiology or your posture, you can breathe different and I've
• 50:40
  done this hundreds, if not thousands of time.
• 50:43
  Now where I've like I did a training at a major car
• 50:49
  manufacturing industry, I won't say the name.
• 50:51
  But it was, if I said everybody would know it.
• 50:53
  And I was working with the executives and we were, and I
• 50:56
  was teaching them, which now the field is called emotional
• 50:59
  intelligence. I was teaching them, emotional
• 51:01
  intelligence skills, and one of the things I showed them how to
• 51:05
  change their emotional state simply by changing their
• 51:08
  physiology changing way. They were breathing, change your
• 51:11
  way were standing, so I have them, think about a problem
• 51:14
  because I think about it, I think about problem or
• 51:16
  frustration that you're dealing with and I have them self, I had
• 51:19
  them put themselves, In a posture of feeling down or
• 51:24
  depressed or discouraged. This is the posture of it.
• 51:27
  That's it. Breathe the way you breathe.
• 51:28
  When you're discouraged. Sit the way you sit when you're
• 51:31
  discouraged or depressed. I said, how does your, how will
• 51:34
  your, for, I had them put themselves as enough as you
• 51:36
  think about that problem? Think about that problem.
• 51:38
  As you put your body in that position, I said, how does that
• 51:41
  problem seemed to you and everybody's like, oh and
• 51:43
  possible to solve. There's no way.
• 51:44
  This is just hopeless. I said, okay, I had everybody
• 51:47
  stand up and then Shake Yourself.
• 51:50
  I said now I want you to stand like you're a superhero that
• 51:53
  stand up, lift your chest and your arms on the side.
• 51:57
  I said men like you're Superman women like you're Wonder Woman.
• 51:59
  I said, look up. That's I want you to think about
• 52:01
  that problem as you do. I want you to laugh.
• 52:04
  A nice, hearty laugh haha and they did that.
• 52:07
  I had to do it several times. I said now, he think about that
• 52:09
  problem. Now I said howhow does that
• 52:12
  problem scene? They say, I can handle this, I
• 52:14
  can do with this. The only thing that changed was
• 52:17
  their emotion and we changed it not by having them think.
• 52:20
  Positive. I just had them change their
• 52:22
  physiology. I have them change the way
• 52:24
  they're breathing. Okay, so our hold on.
• 52:26
  Alright, I got to ask you a quick question so I don't lose
• 52:28
  this one. Do you think that's why I like
• 52:32
  it made me think of yoga because our right.
• 52:37
  People ask me all the time. I was funny just over the last
• 52:40
  couple weeks, I had people reach out to me, listeners and friends
• 52:43
  and family. A few of them and asked me what
• 52:46
  my thoughts were on yoga. And I'm like, no, I'm like, if
• 52:49
  you Want to stretch stretch like, if you want a breather,
• 52:54
  but I said, because there's something to it.
• 52:57
  Now, the reason that my brain jumped is just because you were
• 53:00
  just like making the point of like hey when we posture
• 53:03
  ourselves certain way, it affects the emotion.
• 53:08
  Like that is so strange to me, do you think the enemy tries to
• 53:13
  use and compartmentalize these from what I know of yoga and its
• 53:18
  National format? You're posing in your Literally
• 53:20
  opening yourself up to while you're clearing yourself and
• 53:24
  open yourself up to demonic entities, which they have a
• 53:26
  plethora of names for to move through you from posture and
• 53:30
  movements and like that's I don't necessarily get something.
• 53:34
  Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily so much just by
• 53:36
  posture and reason I get that question to and I answer it is
• 53:40
  balanced in his honest as I can. I said, if that's the case, that
• 53:43
  is, if it's solely posture that you open up, I said, I said
• 53:47
  because the idea is, well, they do that stretch, a yoga, if you
• 53:49
  do That stretch, you're going to open yourself up to the enemy.
• 53:51
  I go. Well, that's like saying if they
• 53:53
  yawn you yawn, you're going to open up yourself, it doesn't
• 53:56
  work that way. I said, there's also beliefs
• 53:58
  that you need to take. Yes.
• 53:59
  However and so, there are certain things that are taught
• 54:02
  within the belief system that I would go.
• 54:05
  No, those, don't those do not track with what we believe as
• 54:08
  Christians, and those can open you up.
• 54:10
  Beliefs, can open you up to things, some I said, but doing
• 54:14
  Simple stretches I said, here's the thing.
• 54:17
  I always say, I said you've got to keep in mind, the enemy.
• 54:20
  Not a Creator or of anything? Yes.
• 54:24
  A distorter of things and this is what because I have people
• 54:29
  when I first start studying this day and I was, and I like I
• 54:31
  said, I had to go outside the Christian books that I was
• 54:34
  reading even by Christian therapist because I'll it was
• 54:36
  limited and I start studying other things that people like
• 54:39
  all know, you know, that you're going to again.
• 54:41
  It was like you're going to open yourself up to the enemy.
• 54:43
  So I was scared, you know, because I didn't want to, you
• 54:46
  know, I don't want to myself and my family up to anything so I
• 54:49
  was taking my time. Doing a lot of research but I
• 54:52
  think about is what I realize is this.
• 54:54
  The enemy would take and twist. The enemy would take what God
• 54:57
  create it and twist it. And the Lord told me that
• 55:01
  through Romans chapter 1 where Paul talks about God revealed
• 55:06
  himself, one of the ways he has revealed himself is through
• 55:10
  creation. Yes.
• 55:12
  But if you go and you read the whole passage.
• 55:15
  What is the test? They do says, when they, when
• 55:17
  they saw him as God, they did not acknowledge Him as God.
• 55:21
  But they begin to worship the creation rather than the
• 55:26
  Creator. And they began to worship the
• 55:29
  Sun, the moon and the stars. They begin to take trees and
• 55:32
  make Idols. So they took what God created
• 55:35
  that reflects God's glory, they saw the glory of creation
• 55:39
  thinking, it was the glory of other gods and they twist it
• 55:43
  creation from what it was intended to be, which was to
• 55:47
  reflect back to the glory of our God.
• 55:49
  So I Look at that. I go.
• 55:51
  How many other things does the enemy take and twist.
• 55:55
  I believe our job. We're supposed to be like, yeah,
• 55:58
  we're supposed to be a light tiny into the darkness and
• 56:02
  saying, hey, this is the original intention for why this
• 56:08
  exists. So, wow, God's created our
• 56:12
  physical being and our minds to work a certain way.
• 56:15
  Not everybody that I have learned from is a Christian
• 56:17
  because I Christians didn't know what.
• 56:19
  I was studying at the Time. And so I had to go outside, but
• 56:22
  I was very careful. Always stayed biblical.
• 56:24
  I thought something was unbiblical that no can go with
• 56:26
  that. It's not biblical.
• 56:29
  But what I began to see was, wait a minute.
• 56:31
  This is not so much about. Oh, is this person a Christian?
• 56:35
  I said there's two. They're discovering things about
• 56:37
  how the human brain and mind works.
• 56:40
  And the way, if it's truly, this is how it works.
• 56:43
  It's God, that created that You know?
• 56:46
  So like I remember when I was growing up as a young Christian,
• 56:51
  and in my early twenties, one of the biggest books around at the
• 56:54
  time was called seduction of Christianity.
• 56:59
  By Dave Hunt, that book had so many Christians scared and one
• 57:04
  of the things that it had a scared about what psychology
• 57:07
  like nope, stay away from psychology not of God.
• 57:10
  There have been Christian ministers.
• 57:12
  One famous lizard. In Southern California, who says
• 57:15
  occur. And should not go to
• 57:16
  psychologist. Because the word psyche comes
• 57:20
  from the word suitcase which has to do with the soul, and God is
• 57:23
  the one who made the sole, so you can't go to secular people,
• 57:26
  only, you only need the Bible, you need Jesus, that type of
• 57:29
  stuff was keeping me in bondage, and keeping his kept a lot of
• 57:33
  other people in bondage. I know, because I've worked with
• 57:34
  them because they had that thinking, and while there are
• 57:38
  things that are said that are that are wrong.
• 57:40
  There are also things said that are, right?
• 57:42
  So that's what I say. We need to bring the truth.
• 57:45
  And the spirit of Truth into these things and began looking
• 57:49
  at it and say, what's Twisted that we need to untwist.
• 57:53
  So when I teach on, renewing the mind, I talked a lot about
• 57:56
  renewing the mind but you know, the foundation of it is because
• 57:59
  I took for me, renewing. The mind is about bringing your
• 58:01
  mind, your will and your emotions into alignment with
• 58:05
  what God has done for you in Christ and what God is doing for
• 58:09
  you in Christ. So that to me, biblically is
• 58:13
  renewing, the mind is getting your mind you.
• 58:15
  Willing your emotions and I could we could talk about the
• 58:17
  scriptures that point to that and say that and state that or
• 58:21
  show that, but it's getting it into agreement into harmony into
• 58:26
  alignment with what God is working within you.
• 58:28
  So the Bible tells us in Philippians chapter 2, verse 12
• 58:33
  and 13 work out your own salvation with fear and
• 58:36
  trembling and that's verse 12 verse 13 says, for it is God who
• 58:40
  works in you both to Will and to do of his good pleasure.
• 58:44
  So God works in us both to Will and to do, the word will is a
• 58:52
  term that has to do with emotion has to do with feeling of
• 58:55
  desire. He works in us, God desires, but
• 58:58
  did, but the first part of the verse verse 12 says, we have to
• 59:01
  work out which means we have to carry out what God is doing
• 59:05
  within and that's the renewing of the Mind process.
• 59:08
  So my point is saying that is the more we understand how the
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  Works. The more we understand how the
• 59:16
  brain works and we can we can utilize that in a Godly way to
• 59:21
  bring our minor Wilner emotions into alignment with what God is
• 59:24
  doing with us and cry. So when I teach it, that's what
• 59:26
  I'm saying, I tell people all the time I say look God is
• 59:29
  working in you both to Will and to do of his good pleasure.
• 59:31
  God is doing his part. You don't ever have to worry
• 59:33
  about worry about that. You've got to do your part and
• 59:37
  it's goes back again. I want to forget your original
• 59:39
  question is like how that's the thing you have to learn?
• 59:41
  How you've got to learn what I call strategies that you need?
• 59:44
  To learn strategies. Like like the Bible says, the
• 59:48
  Bible tells us things like put off the old man.
• 59:52
  Okay, the Bible says, put off anger wrath.
• 59:56
  Put off lust, right? How do you put it off, putting
• 1:00:02
  Christ on it's like. Well, here's the thing is really
• 1:00:05
  interesting in the scriptures. We see a consistent pattern of
• 1:00:09
  before you put something on. You must first, put something
• 1:00:12
  off. That is consistent Ephesians
• 1:00:15
  chapter 4 says you've put off the old man, put on the new man.
• 1:00:18
  Colossians chapter 3 tells us put off the old man.
• 1:00:20
  Put on the new man. You know, the Bible tells us put
• 1:00:23
  on the Lord, Jesus Christ to make no provision for the flesh,
• 1:00:27
  when he comes when Israel went into the promised land to
• 1:00:31
  possess the land, and God told them, you're going to possess
• 1:00:34
  the land. If you look up the word for
• 1:00:36
  possess in Hebrew, it means to possess by first In the
• 1:00:43
  inhabitants of the land. What do you do?
• 1:00:48
  There's this, there's this constant thing of before you can
• 1:00:52
  possess something or put it on. You need to put it off now and
• 1:00:57
  so we teach skills, how do you do that?
• 1:00:59
  How do you put things off and and the idea of it?
• 1:01:03
  We it's a way of well when you say we call it detach skills.
• 1:01:07
  How do you detach from any emotional state?
• 1:01:09
  That's getting me away? That stripping, you important,
• 1:01:12
  we show people how to do that. But we also show them.
• 1:01:14
  How do you step into emotional states that can support you?
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  Because one of the things that I teach, is that your emotions are
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  not meant to be your enemies, they are meant to be your allies
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  in the service of God. God did not give your emotions
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  to you, but to be your your enemies, but your allies.
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  What we have to learn to do which is part of what is taught
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  in emotional intelligence. And I teach it also is that
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  you've got to learn how to respond wisely to your emotions.
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  And we've not been taught how to respond wisely.
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  We've been taught to suppress them.
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  We've been taught to ignore them.
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  We've been taught to repress them or we've been taught to
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  indulge them, none of, which are good.
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  What? Most Christians practice is
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  emotional constraint. We practice emotional
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  constraint, which is not bad, but if you left the only
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  strategy, you have it becomes tiring, emotional.
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  Constraint is when somebody says something to you and you think I
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  could slap them, but I'm a Christian.
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  So I'm not going to do it for another two weeks, right?
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  But I'm not going to do it. I'm not gonna do it.
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  So you don't that's great. But if it's the only strategy
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  you have emotional constraint which is based upon willpower
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  and there are studies that have been done, that will power after
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  a while give gives out And so, people mostly when I was dealing
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  with that fear, I was practicing and trying to practice,
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  emotional constraint. And it wasn't working after a
• 1:02:36
  while the emotional strength gets tiring.
• 1:02:39
  So, people who struggle with addictions like porn addiction,
• 1:02:42
  they try to strain. I've worked in the past with,
• 1:02:46
  with some men. I had a partner that I was
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  working with. We did some work at a church
• 1:02:50
  with men who are struggling with porn, we showed them some things
• 1:02:52
  that work with them, and one of the things like, and I'm not
• 1:02:55
  against what I'm getting ready to say.
• 1:02:57
  But I think it's not enough. So often men will be told you
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  need to put blockers on your computer.
• 1:03:03
  You need to give your passwords to your wife or to someone else,
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  you need to be accountable. And I used to look at that, I
• 1:03:09
  would go okay, those are good. But what's that?
• 1:03:12
  I call it the urge. I said once that urge hits you
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  will find your way around every single one of those things and
• 1:03:19
  every guy, one guy in particular that I work with.
• 1:03:21
  He said, Mike, that's so true. He said my wife would put he was
• 1:03:24
  struggling with porn at one point.
• 1:03:26
  He's a, my wife would put She would put blockers on the
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  computer to block me from going to different size.
• 1:03:32
  Only, she had the password, he said, I would find a way around
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  it every single time. So my point here is to say none,
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  don't do those things. My point is what we need to
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  teach people. To do is how to renew their
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  minds, change their emotions, how to detach from that urge
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  when it hits them. And, and this is the thing that
• 1:03:49
  most people don't realize how did how you direct your emotions
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  towards that, which is Godly emotions were part of the A
• 1:03:57
  walking in the spirit process. I teach that people like what I
• 1:04:00
  do. Yeah, your emotions are involved
• 1:04:02
  and walking in the spirit It Go. I was always taught that your
• 1:04:04
  emotions have nothing to do with walking this pickle.
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  Yeah, I know. That's wrong.
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  Your lips. Just have everything that can
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  share with you one quick thing to show that.
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  Yeah, Romans chapter 8, one of my favorite passages.
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  Mmm, the Apostle Paul says, he writes in Romans chapter 8 for
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  they who are after the flesh. Mind the things of the flesh.
• 1:04:25
  But they who are after the spirit mind, the things of the
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  spirit. So, the word mind in Greek, the
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  Greek word, it comes from the Greek word for Nao.
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  This word means to direct, if you look it up, it means to
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  direct to mind, means to direct the intellect, the will, and the
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  affections or the emotions towards something.
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  You are aligning with something. So, to mind the things of the
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  flesh means, you're directing your intellect and the way it's
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  written in Greek is What's called the active voice in
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  Greek, which means the subject of the sentence is performing
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  the action. So when it says for they who are
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  after The Flesh, mind the things of the flesh, the subject of the
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  sentence are as days with a who are after a foot that means you
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  are directing your intellect, your will and your emotions
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  towards what is of the flesh, it gets into a lie.
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  I meant with what is of the flesh, but the same thing is
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  said of what those who are after the spirit mind the things of
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  the spirit. So when you're walking in the
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  spiritual because you are directing your intellect, your
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  will and your emotions towards what is of the spirit and that's
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  what God is working in us. 24/7 to do that, we direct our
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  intellect. He doesn't do it.
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  I tell people, I say he doesn't do it for you, he empowers you
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  to do it, he would do it with you, but he won't do it for you.
• 1:05:48
  You've got to direct your in Like will and emotions towards
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  what is of the spirit. That's how you walk in the
• 1:05:54
  spirit. Galatians 5:25 says, if we live
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  in the spirit, let us also walk in the spirit or walk by the
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  spirit, the word. Walk by in Greek is a word that
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  means to walk in alignment with, or to keep in step with.
• 1:06:13
  So people who are walking in the spirit, are keeping in Step.
• 1:06:17
  It's like soldiers when they're marching in there and step with
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  each. Other people.
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  Yeah, there's Santa stepped in Harmony when we're walking in
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  the spirit. We're In Harmony with the
• 1:06:25
  spirit. Well, how do we get in harmony
• 1:06:27
  with the spirit? Romans 8 tells us you've got to
• 1:06:29
  direct your intellect will and emotions which is also part of
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  the renewing of the while. When you direct your, your
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  intellect will, and the emotions consistently and the waves are
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  written in Greek, is the idea of you do this consistently, it's
• 1:06:42
  not just one time, you do it, consistently.
• 1:06:44
  Then it says you'll become. If you direct your intellect
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  will and emotions consistently towards what is Of the flesh,
• 1:06:50
  you become carnally minded, the word there is, it's the result
• 1:06:56
  of minding the things of the spirit so you will develop a
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  disposition of carnal - but if you continually direct your
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  intellect will and emotions towards the things of the
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  spirit, you will become spiritually minded, which means
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  you would develop a disposition in your intellect, your will and
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  your emotions towards the things of the spirit.
• 1:07:16
  And what I tell people is you do not have A carnal set of
• 1:07:21
  emotions and a spiritual set of emotions.
• 1:07:23
  You have one set of emotions but where you direct them, either
• 1:07:28
  towards the flesh or towards the spirit determines, if their
• 1:07:31
  carnal or spiritual, Whoo, that's a thousand emotions are
• 1:07:39
  involved in. Walk in the spirit, your whole
• 1:07:42
  being, I should say, is involved in Walking, in the spirit, we've
• 1:07:44
  compared to compartmentalize it and said, well, now your
• 1:07:47
  emotions are not involved. No, the Bible says, present your
• 1:07:49
  whole body. That the biblical view of man is
• 1:07:52
  that we are a dynamic whole we're not set well, I know
• 1:07:55
  people talk about Spirit soul and body, but if you look at the
• 1:07:57
  way Paul said that, he said I prayed.
• 1:07:59
  God sanctify, your whole Spirit soul and body.
• 1:08:03
  We're Dynamic unity. And so, your whole being is
• 1:08:08
  involved in Walking in the spirit.
• 1:08:10
  Not just one aspect of you. So that I asked you about, like,
• 1:08:15
  you know, fear and does that lead, to lowering the immune
• 1:08:17
  system. And we kind of, we kind of broke
• 1:08:19
  that down and helped me to understand what that would look
• 1:08:22
  like over time. Now, if we're walking in
• 1:08:25
  obedience to God, it's the reverse of that.
• 1:08:29
  It reminds me the scripture where it says, like, God will
• 1:08:32
  allow, I think it is. Like the iniquity or something,
• 1:08:34
  I got up to the second or third generation that's that's
• 1:08:38
  peculiar to me. One of the other things would be
• 1:08:44
  Oh jeez. I just have It's interesting how
• 1:08:49
  Jesus would say according to your faith.
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  Hmm. And it reminds me of Proverbs.
• 1:08:55
  So, man, thinketh he is so, do you think that it's sis we are
• 1:09:01
  as people systematically desensitized to these things, so
• 1:09:05
  that our will our mind and emotion cannot be in sync.
• 1:09:09
  You think the enemy kind of has a long range shot where he set
• 1:09:13
  because he's not a creator of anything.
• 1:09:14
  Like I agree with you, he just will parallel something,
• 1:09:17
  distorted, Right up or rearrange things a little bit.
• 1:09:21
  He's not actually unrolling anything new.
• 1:09:24
  He's availing portions of what he has, I guess.
• 1:09:28
  According to the word, the right to be able to do for those who
• 1:09:31
  are in Disobedience, right? Like it reminds me the verse
• 1:09:35
  also this says that they would believe the law God will send
• 1:09:38
  them strong delusion because they reject Even if they didn't
• 1:09:43
  hear the word creation itself, speaks of his glory, his power,
• 1:09:48
  right? Who he is, I was like in a
• 1:09:51
  nutshell. I'm looking and going, I'm
• 1:09:52
  learning so much going to be a part 2.
• 1:09:57
  If you're gracious enough to give us more time down to be
• 1:10:01
  digesting this for a minute, but it just, it makes me think from
• 1:10:05
  all these other things I've heard on the show and just my
• 1:10:08
  own kind of like experiences, right?
• 1:10:12
  Enemy. I think is systematically
• 1:10:14
  desensitizing people so that we are out of what we're not firing
• 1:10:18
  on all cylinders. Our emotions are out of whack
• 1:10:22
  and like you said you were doing with when you're younger you're
• 1:10:24
  going to said, oh I'm trying to read them trying to meditate on
• 1:10:26
  the word of God and then somebody's like yells at you,
• 1:10:29
  your boss or your wife or somebody cuts you off in the car
• 1:10:32
  and all of a sudden you flipped a switch or a whole different
• 1:10:34
  person. Right.
• 1:10:36
  That is so true and you started out at towards the beginning of
• 1:10:40
  this episode talking about ministers.
• 1:10:42
  People on the outside. They put this appearance on like
• 1:10:45
  right, everything's good. And on the man and I'm coaching
• 1:10:50
  people but then the realness is broken.
• 1:10:53
  This behind closed doors, right? That's right.
• 1:10:55
  That's why I love. I love the podcast because it's
• 1:10:58
  challenged me to walk into a space where I'm capturing a
• 1:11:01
  journey of learning this and wrestling with these things in
• 1:11:05
  helps also that I'm finding other people like me.
• 1:11:08
  And that season. For this year, I'm starting to
• 1:11:11
  find a Of people that are like me and they're like, why is
• 1:11:15
  there this like sacred secular divide where it's like, we don't
• 1:11:20
  talk about it and if you do know, we don't talk about it.
• 1:11:25
  It's like, you're an oddball, you're a black sheep, you stick
• 1:11:28
  it out, you're going to be a Target and yes, a lot of times
• 1:11:32
  the targeting is just an increase of the the pain that's
• 1:11:35
  already there, so people that hide they've recluse all right.
• 1:11:39
  So you're breaking some walls down for you right now.
• 1:11:46
  If I can speak to something he says, like, why do we not talk
• 1:11:48
  about this in a church? Or why are we encourage you?
• 1:11:50
  Not to? I think part of the reason is up
• 1:11:52
  until recently, we have had what I considered to be a bad
• 1:11:56
  theology in the church about emotions.
• 1:11:57
  We've had a bad Theology of emotions and what I've one of
• 1:12:00
  the things you said a phrase that I coined a few years ago
• 1:12:04
  was bad theology makes for bad psychology.
• 1:12:08
  If you got a bad theology, can impact you mentally and
• 1:12:11
  emotionally. And it really can't because I've
• 1:12:13
  been I've been a victim of that in the past of, I had a
• 1:12:15
  theology, let the bad psychology meaning an impact me negatively,
• 1:12:20
  mentally, and emotionally in the church.
• 1:12:22
  And I think this came from some of the early church fathers who
• 1:12:26
  were steeped in, Greek philosophy.
• 1:12:28
  We're in Greek philosophy. A lot of times emotions were
• 1:12:31
  seen as evil. They're not to be trusted, and
• 1:12:35
  that came down through and, and a lot of the early church,
• 1:12:39
  fathers, all people know this this not to put down to two.
• 1:12:42
  Probably just fat. They were steeped in.
• 1:12:43
  Greek philosophy before becoming Christians.
• 1:12:47
  And so we can see evidence of that in the scripture.
• 1:12:50
  So there were a lot of things that they brought over and we
• 1:12:54
  and a lot of it was rooted in platonic thinking separation of
• 1:12:57
  Mind and Body And the emotions were bad and evil.
• 1:12:59
  Intellect reason is what was important was good.
• 1:13:03
  But really, when you look at the teachings of the scripture and
• 1:13:06
  especially tall, Paul says, listen, everything was tainted
• 1:13:10
  by sin including the intellect. Okay, including the intellect
• 1:13:16
  and Romans Either one, it talks about how we gave ourselves.
• 1:13:21
  We were given over to perverse desires.
• 1:13:23
  Our minds were darkened, but then, when you look later on in
• 1:13:27
  that same Book of Romans, you know, when Paul talks about all
• 1:13:31
  the things we did that were wrong and Romans chapter 6.
• 1:13:34
  He says, as you, once you did your members as instruments and
• 1:13:39
  your members, refers to all of the faculties of your being, as
• 1:13:42
  you once yielded, your members as instruments of
• 1:13:46
  unrighteousness. This unto sin.
• 1:13:49
  Now yield those, same faculties as instruments of righteousness.
• 1:13:56
  Mmm, to God. So we want yielded, our members
• 1:13:59
  as instruments of unrighteousness to sin.
• 1:14:02
  Now, we're to take those same members cause of we have, we
• 1:14:05
  have been, we have died with Christ, we've been raised with
• 1:14:07
  him. So now we're to yield our
• 1:14:09
  members as instruments of righteousness unto God and your
• 1:14:12
  members means your body, your imagination, your motive
• 1:14:16
  faculties. We aspect of your being is to be
• 1:14:19
  yielded unto God, as it was once used by the enemy and used by
• 1:14:23
  sin and used by flesh to express that, which was not of God.
• 1:14:27
  Now it is to be used to express that, which is of god.
• 1:14:31
  So, your intimate, your intellect, your imagination.
• 1:14:34
  Your emotions are to be shaped by the truth of God.
• 1:14:36
  I believe that went. What Jesus said is true.
• 1:14:39
  You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.
• 1:14:43
  When we understand what it means to know the truth, in the full,
• 1:14:47
  Is the word to know. The idea is that the truth
• 1:14:49
  should shape, not only what you think, but it's just shape how
• 1:14:52
  you feel your passion, your desire, your will.
• 1:14:56
  So I tell people, I said, your emotional life needs to be based
• 1:14:59
  upon the truth so that the your emotions can also be set free in
• 1:15:03
  Christ. So I know where they can expect
• 1:15:06
  can be what God meant for them to be.
• 1:15:08
  Now that doesn't simply mean memorizing, the truth, that's
• 1:15:11
  part of it but it's not all intellect, right memorizing.
• 1:15:15
  Like the intellect part people. I tend to think that information
• 1:15:18
  leads to transformation, it doesn't you can have all this
• 1:15:21
  is, you know, when I was at, when I was struggling with this,
• 1:15:24
  I knew I knew the but my nickname when I was younger was
• 1:15:29
  the human concordance. Could you can ask me about
• 1:15:31
  scripture and I could tell you that's what they were my family.
• 1:15:33
  We call me the human concordance.
• 1:15:35
  They said f ask him a special ask me where the scriptures I
• 1:15:37
  hear tell you but information did not lead to my
• 1:15:41
  transformation transformation so you can gather a lot of
• 1:15:46
  information. With your intellect.
• 1:15:48
  This is why a lot of people will know a lot of scriptures and
• 1:15:51
  they're struggling. What you have to do is
• 1:15:53
  inculcate, that information has to become a part of you.
• 1:15:56
  Wear it shapes, your thinking, your emotions and your will that
• 1:16:00
  I believe the author dollars reading was, his name was Robert
• 1:16:03
  Saucy. I have to go back and check that
• 1:16:04
  but he said that is a true renewing of the mind and I tell
• 1:16:08
  him I said look if you're thinking differently but there's
• 1:16:10
  not a shift in your emotional state.
• 1:16:12
  Hmm. You haven't renewed your mind
• 1:16:14
  yet you've gathered information. That's Good.
• 1:16:17
  But it needs to move over to where it is, now shifting, and
• 1:16:20
  that takes again, strategies to be able to do that.
• 1:16:24
  And you have to know specific and it's not like or these
• 1:16:27
  secret things know, they're not secret their things actually
• 1:16:29
  within the biblical text that we could.
• 1:16:31
  I was I was reading a book last night.
• 1:16:33
  Matter of fact, I have a right here.
• 1:16:35
  It's called my beloved brothers and sisters, and scholarly book.
• 1:16:39
  And it's called Christian, Sibley shipping and Paul.
• 1:16:43
  The writer. One of the things he writes
• 1:16:44
  about is Paul's letter to Philemon.
• 1:16:47
  When and how Paul was utilizing emotive terms, emotional terms
• 1:16:53
  in order to affect Philemon stinking so he would make
• 1:16:58
  certain decisions. So my point here is this in
• 1:17:04
  this, and we could talk about this another time, but it might
• 1:17:05
  be, is that the writers of scripture understood rhetorical
• 1:17:08
  strategies and devices that were used to help to encourage people
• 1:17:13
  to shifter? Think I'll give you a quick
• 1:17:15
  illustration. You've probably read, Hebrews
• 1:17:18
  chapter 11. Right, the great faith Hall of
• 1:17:21
  Fame, right? Your by faith Abraham did this
• 1:17:25
  by faith. Moses did this, you know, the
• 1:17:27
  purpose of Hebrews chapter 11, why it's there?
• 1:17:31
  Hmm, okay, so no he wasn't, Hebrews chapter 11 is an example
• 1:17:38
  or it, is it illustrates what is known in the ancient in the
• 1:17:41
  ancient world and Antiquity as an examples list in the ancient
• 1:17:46
  world when you wanted people? To to embody a certain virtue,
• 1:17:53
  you would provide them a list of people who were respected, well,
• 1:17:56
  known that they knew that they respect it.
• 1:17:58
  Who embodied those virtues the idea of it was to effect an
• 1:18:04
  emotional response to that so that they would start to embody
• 1:18:09
  that virtue also. So in Hebrews, so Hebrews
• 1:18:13
  chapter 11, now you have to keep in mind who's the book of
• 1:18:15
  Hebrews written to is written to people who are under Fusion to
• 1:18:19
  turn away from faith, in Christ. What are they being exhorted to
• 1:18:22
  do? In Hebrews chapter 11, to remain
• 1:18:24
  faithful, which is the the idea of faith in Hebrew, in Hebrew,
• 1:18:28
  and in Greek piece. This is faithfulness loyalty to
• 1:18:32
  remain faithful, not just believe, but to remain faithful
• 1:18:36
  and loyal to Christ. How does the author of Hebrews
• 1:18:40
  seek to do it? When we talk about the, how he
• 1:18:42
  doesn't just tell them. Hey, stay faithful.
• 1:18:45
  He gives them an example list. This was you, this was no.
• 1:18:48
  Known in the ancient world and it was.
• 1:18:51
  And so it was literally a device, a strategy for
• 1:18:54
  encouraging faithfulness. It's in the biblical text.
• 1:18:57
  That's something a white. Have we known this?
• 1:18:58
  Most of this information is locked up as scholarly, journals
• 1:19:02
  got a chance to read but I remember my mentor, dr.
• 1:19:07
  Bean. He's always say, the problem
• 1:19:09
  with Scholars is that they tend to only write to other Scholars.
• 1:19:11
  A lot of this information is filtered down but in fact dr.
• 1:19:17
  Bean had an ization. Which my wife and I are in
• 1:19:20
  charge of it was called the center for the study of biblical
• 1:19:22
  research. Its purpose was to make
• 1:19:24
  scholarly information and disseminated to the person in
• 1:19:28
  the pew. So I'm selling these demand.
• 1:19:32
  I told you, I'm studying, I'm going, oh my God.
• 1:19:34
  So wait a minute. In Hebrews chapter 11 is
• 1:19:37
  actually a rhetorical strategy known as an example list, which
• 1:19:40
  is supposed to encourage it creates encouragement.
• 1:19:42
  It creates motivation, that's dealing with the emotions.
• 1:19:47
  But I had never been in. Every book I have ever read.
• 1:19:50
  I've never been told that, but it was a scholar by the name of
• 1:19:53
  David de Silva. One of my favorite Scholars and
• 1:19:55
  another scholar by the name of Blues.
• 1:19:57
  Michael caught Crosby who wrote about examples list that on
• 1:20:03
  that. I learned about this David
• 1:20:05
  dasilva, introduced me to Michael Crosby's work, and I
• 1:20:08
  wouldn't read Michaels Crosby's work.
• 1:20:09
  And I went, oh my gosh, there are other things there are other
• 1:20:13
  rhetorical where we call rhetorical devices or strategies
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  in the scriptures. That are designed to create a
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  shift in the emotions of the people who are hearing the text
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  in it. Come up with, in the originally
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  who heard it? I have a say this real quick and
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  I'm now I'm saying a lot of stuff.
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  The Bible originally was not written to be read.
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  The Bible was written. Originally, the Bible was
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  presented as something. You hear, the ancient culture
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  was an oral culture and an oral culture.
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  It was a speaking and listening cult or retelling.
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  Yeah, storytelling even the Epistles were written.
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  In to be read out loud and the way the scholars have looked at
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  announced that the way these things are structured.
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  In the Greek. They are not, we read it.
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  Like we will read Hebrews chapter, 11, we go by faith,
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  Abraham by faith, Joshua, only by faith, Rahab by faith.
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  Noah, that's the way we read it. Originally would have been read,
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  like I see a table by faith, Noah my faith and it was
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  building to this Crescendo so it was Stir Up emotions.
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  Within the hearers to effect a change of thinking.
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  All right, to two things. Nothing.
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  The scene from where the Apostle Paul.
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  I think it's at the Parthenon. Mmm.
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  Right. And you can see he's going.
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  He's looking at all these statues.
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  That the Greeks have to discard and that God.
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  And then he can just it's like, dramatic it's alive, right?
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  You can see them, jump up, and be like, listen, I'm declaring
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  to you. This statue to the unknown.
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  God, I'm making a declaration today who he is, right?
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  He was not sitting there like Oh, by the way, hey guys, hey
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  crowd of people that you can see, right?
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  Hall was right. Harry emotionally and bright?
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  Yes, yes he was. He was there are things that I
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  teach one of the keys to emotional intelligence with
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  other people is being able to get Rapport create connection
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  with others. I teach these in classes in
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  corporations. There's a pilot each called
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  leading with the emotional intelligence.
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  And one of the things we say, is, if you're going to lead
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  people, you gotta create Rapport, you gotta pee.
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  Great connection with them. Hmm and we said that one of the
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  ways you have to do that is you have sometimes you have to flex
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  or change or be a flexible in your own communication style, we
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  all have our own style of communicating.
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  If you want to connect with another person you've got to
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  communicate in their style not according to your style.
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  Okay? That's important.
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  Wow, it's all. Did this the Apostle Paul?
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  Did this Paul said to the Jews I become a Jew to the Greek.
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  I become angry. I become all things.
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  Things to all to those without law.
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  I become as one without law yet, I'm not without law under
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  Christ, I become all things to all men that I might win some,
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  in the Greco-Roman world, this was known as adaptability, its
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  thing, it was an actual strategy.
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  Yes, employed it. And there's a way to look at it.
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  Also, from a Jewish perspective, he employed it in order to reach
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  other people. So when people go are they
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  things description? This is not scriptural, I go,
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  you don't understand the history and the culture, you don't
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  understand what you're you. Don't you're not looking in
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  depth at what's being said in the history and culture of the
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  day like examples list that was part of the culture
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  adaptability, as a speaker. That was part of the culture
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  speakers would use emotion, they would speakers would make where
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  was known as appeals that were make appeals to three things to
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  logic to character. And to emotions is in Greek.
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  It is logos, ethos and pathos. We teach these things today.
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  Aristotle was the one who originally codified all of this.
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  When you look in the biblical text, when you look in the Old
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  Testament, when you look in the New Testament, you see the
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  writers of scripture, making it appeals to logic logos
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  character? They talk about themselves and
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  their character. Why they could be trusted Paul
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  saying things. Like, I was, I was asleep.
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  I mean, I was I was I've gone without food.
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  I've been beaten three times of the Jews.
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  I was, because she's making it, you just make it.
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  Yeah, he's making an appeal to his Character.
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  Yes, that's what we call that an Ethel's appeal.
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  When he says he said. And then when he talks to you
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  like the Galatians and he goes, oh you foolish Galatians.
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  Most Scholars say, I believe is Galatians chapter 4.
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  They say glitch instructor for is one of the most emotional
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  passages within the scripture. Paul is very emotional in but
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  he's emotional on purpose in order to effect a change.
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  So, my point is saying is that There are actually strategies
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  within the biblical text. I can tell you one in from the
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  book of Deuteronomy. Hmm.
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  So in Deuteronomy chapter and if I'm going to allow you to sell
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  me stuff because I know I'm going on, I'm plugged in for a
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  little bit, okay, he's not crazy.
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  So in Deuteronomy chapter 7, God tells Israel that they're going
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  to face Nations that are greater than them.
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  And that are that are stronger than that, they just bigger and
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  he says to them I don't want you to be afraid when You Face these
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  nations because remember Israel wandered around for 40 years in
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  the wilderness because when God brought them to the land, he
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  sent the Spies, spies came back and said we can't do it.
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  There's Giants in the land and people said, well, let's make a
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  captain and go back into Egypt and they end up forty years in
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  the wilderness. So God, as their, you know,
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  Moses is saying his Farewell. He tells the people, when you
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  come to this land and you see Nations bigger than you, he says
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  to them do not Not be afraid. Now.
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  He doesn't just leave it there. He actually tells them how not
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  to be afraid in the next verse. Now, I only knew this when I
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  start studying these things from a psychological and
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  neuroscientist I went, oh my gosh.
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  And then I actually started to study, didn't said, Yep, this is
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  what this word is referring to. He next says to them, when you
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  see the Nations that are bigger than you do not be afraid, then
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  he says this, you shall well. Remember, what the Lord your God
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  did unto pharaoh and to Egypt, the Great Signs and miracles and
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  wonders. That your I saw.
• 1:27:03
  He said, You shall remember the Hebrew word is the car, which
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  means to bring something back to mine.
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  Do you choose to, to, basically, to remember it to relive it, you
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  bring, here's the thing, you bring something back to mine, in
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  order to be moved by it. What you bring to mind is to
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  shape your behavior. So when he says to Israel, you
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  are to remember. He says, Don't Be Afraid.
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  How does he tell them? Not to be afraid call to mind
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  everything that you saw God do? What is that going to create
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  within them confidence in their God, what he said, don't be
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  afraid. He wasn't saying, okay, you're
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  going to feel fear but don't act afraid, you know, people say
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  feel the fear and do it. Anyway I said, okay, that's
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  true. You can do that is really hard
• 1:27:51
  to feel the fear and do it. Anyway I have a a saying I said
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  you can feel the fear and do it anyway or you can get rid of the
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  fear and do it even better. So my thing is, you don't you
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  don't have to live in fear and God tells Israel call to mind
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  what I have done for you. All that you saw remember the
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  plagues. Remember the frogs.
• 1:28:14
  Remember the darkness? Remember the see splitting call
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  all of that to mine so that you will be shaped by what you saw
• 1:28:23
  my Power at work, that'll put your confidence in me and you
• 1:28:27
  won't be afraid. That is a strategy that God gave
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  yet Faith. He gave them a practical way of
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  putting their faith in God because faith is the substance
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  of things hoped, for the evidence of things.
• 1:28:41
  Unseen, it reminds me of David. I forget what it says is the Old
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  Testament, but he's out with his men and there's a raid while
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  they're gone and they're women or children or Samuel chapter
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  30. Yes, there is.
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  And Dave come with men in their groomer of his own men, his own
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  dudes talking about, we're going to Stone him, we're gonna get
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  rid of them and David does something very peculiar that
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  most men don't do today. Hmm.
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  He goes and gets the ephod and he goes and inquires of the Lord
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  like music, you've always been with me.
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  I've been on the run, I fought the bear.
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  I fought the lion Goliath. Who could forget that, right?
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  He's King Saul's. Chasing me.
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  He's the But really, I'm the anointed and I won't take it
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  until you make it evident. And I'm still on the run in the
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  wilderness, but you never left. So, man.
• 1:29:32
  I'm you got more time with this because this is important for
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  me, and for everyone who's going to hear, because this is
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  critical. What can I can?
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  I can I go back to that story of David?
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  And first Samuel. Yes, yes, yes, you're calling
• 1:29:46
  one of my favorite passages. I love to teach on.
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  First Samuel. Chapter 30 verses 1 through 6,
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  which are referring to when the hits when the Kites came and
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  burned down ziklag. Yes and his men they stay.
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  So imagine if they come back, everything's burned to the
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  ground. Their wives are gone, their
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  children are gone and it said, the men begin to all of them
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  began to weep for grief understandable as a normal human
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  reaction, right. Then it says, because of their
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  grief, they became angry and they began to speak of stoning.
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  David. So, now they're starting to
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  blame David for what has happened, and it says that David
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  was afraid and I always say, well, my son, if my men spoke of
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  spoke of stoning me, I'd be afraid to.
• 1:30:31
  So they talked about killing him.
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  Now, you talk about the ephod, but there's one crucial piece
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  that happens. Right?
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  Before that, it said David was afraid.
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  But then the next verse says, David encouraged himself in the
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  Lord, his God. Then he saw, and I always tell
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  people, I said, notice what it says it does not say and the
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  Lord came and encourage David. It says, David encouraged
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  himself in the Lord his God or you can read encourage or
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  strengthen. But he strengthened himself
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  which which and I use, I teach this one of the princes, what we
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  teach is that your emotions are not determined by what happens
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  outside of you, your emotions are determined by what happens
• 1:31:12
  within you. And so, David encouraged himself
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  in the midst of a situation where his men are speaking of
• 1:31:21
  killing him, the village is burned down in the midst of all
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  of this David encouraged himself because there's no one left to
• 1:31:29
  encourage him. David changed, his emotional
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  state, in the midst of the devastation, it enabled him to
• 1:31:36
  make the right decision. Remember we said before when you
• 1:31:38
  are in negative, emotional states, it can cause you to make
• 1:31:42
  the wrong decisions, right? Right, you your creativity gets
• 1:31:46
  shut down your resourcefulness. Get shut down David's men
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  because of the negative emotional state.
• 1:31:52
  They were in wanted to kill him. Hmm, David, it says,
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  strengthened himself in the Lord, then he sought the Lord.
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  And the Lord said, he said, shall I pursue God said pursue,
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  you will recover all if you read the rest of the story, David
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  pursued, they recovered everything plus more.
• 1:32:12
  Here's the thing to me, that is a great example of emotional,
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  intelligence and Leadership, but here's the thing, think about
• 1:32:19
  this, wow, if David's men had killed him out of the mm
• 1:32:25
  negative emotional state that they were in, they would have
• 1:32:28
  lost everything that they later recovered, they never would have
• 1:32:32
  recovered it and they killed David.
• 1:32:35
  But because David strengthened himself changed, his emotional
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  state, sought the Lord that enabled them to recover
• 1:32:42
  everything. So, this is why I believe it is
• 1:32:44
  so important for us to know how to manage our emotional
• 1:32:49
  well-being. Because it determines there's a,
• 1:32:52
  there's a, there's a quote, as I say, determines our quality of
• 1:32:56
  life, there's a quote, from a psychologist who passed away
• 1:32:59
  last year, his name is mihaly csikszentmihalyi, he was a
• 1:33:03
  psychologist. He Was the originator of the
• 1:33:06
  concept of flow like you when you when we talk about being in
• 1:33:10
  the flow you don't athletes are in the floor in the zone.
• 1:33:14
  He studied that he studied it scientifically.
• 1:33:17
  He said in his book flow is called the book is called flow,
• 1:33:20
  the psychology of optimal experience.
• 1:33:22
  He said, people he's at the people who learn to control
• 1:33:27
  their inner experience, will be able to determine the quality of
• 1:33:31
  their lives. That right there in a nutshell,
• 1:33:37
  that's the work that I do. It's helping people to control
• 1:33:40
  their inner experience, so that they're able to determine the
• 1:33:44
  quality of their lives. David in that story.
• 1:33:48
  In first Samuel controlled his inner experience and it affected
• 1:33:53
  the quality of his life because they were able.
• 1:33:55
  He got clear-headed enough to seek God.
• 1:33:59
  And his leadership LED not only to the recovery of everything,
• 1:34:04
  but they got even more. But had his men killed him out
• 1:34:09
  of anger, although mr. They would have lost it.
• 1:34:12
  All in never would have recovered anything.
• 1:34:14
  So do our enduring, our our our, our emotions, important to the
• 1:34:19
  quality of life that we live. Absolutely.
• 1:34:21
  Absolutely. Now talk about as Christians,
• 1:34:23
  there it is. Important to that to the quality
• 1:34:25
  of our Christian Life. Just just because I'm like, I'm
• 1:34:28
  skipping to these places in my brain was like that's on the
• 1:34:31
  back burner because God, I know someday you're going to make
• 1:34:34
  sense of it, right? And we recovered a lot of these
• 1:34:37
  things. But if there's some personal
• 1:34:41
  things like when I think of like the discipline of the Lord, like
• 1:34:44
  doing the Lord disciplines those who he loves, I don't know what
• 1:34:50
  that is supposed to mean like from Biblical standpoint or from
• 1:34:53
  like just a very understood standpoint but I know like
• 1:34:57
  Personally, for me, I have gotten to a place where I know
• 1:35:03
  what the word says. And this is an old, he's like a
• 1:35:06
  couple times where I've had this connection that, that you're
• 1:35:11
  kind of putting words to and helping me to understand some of
• 1:35:13
  these pockets of of our life. Like him working, innocent Drew
• 1:35:18
  us to cost as well to come about.
• 1:35:20
  It didn't happen overnight and it's not happening overnight for
• 1:35:23
  me, it is a process but There's times where I'll know I had read
• 1:35:30
  and knew the scripture said, like, don't look at a woman with
• 1:35:35
  lust in your heart. You commit adultery already has
• 1:35:37
  like many riding around, like, oh, geez, right?
• 1:35:40
  That's really bad. You know, this is gonna be hard,
• 1:35:44
  right? I can't go to the gym this week,
• 1:35:45
  guys, you know, the routine. Cognitively.
• 1:35:49
  And in our mind, we know, but then aligning our will and our
• 1:35:55
  emotion all in sync. There's certain things were in
• 1:36:00
  my private life. I knew like it was like a flash
• 1:36:03
  in my mind. This is what the scripture says
• 1:36:06
  and then there was a check of my will my motive.
• 1:36:09
  Mmm? And because there's times where
• 1:36:11
  I didn't listen, and I understood those moments where I
• 1:36:14
  was alone with the God and it was just reread.
• 1:36:18
  Stir in like you didn't you weren't obedient in this little
• 1:36:21
  thing like that happen. Bear in the long and and you
• 1:36:23
  need to learn that that's not a good outcome that I actually
• 1:36:27
  would start to like make sense to me.
• 1:36:30
  Become alive to me. I was like God, your will not
• 1:36:32
  mine and I'd say stuff, like, every time I get the ball, I
• 1:36:35
  wreck this like, I'm not me doing it.
• 1:36:39
  My way is not working, married, seven years and my wife's in the
• 1:36:43
  other room, probably can hear this and his giggling as I'm
• 1:36:46
  even talking, because it's so true.
• 1:36:48
  Hmm. And then my emotion.
• 1:36:51
  Do I want to please God. Do I want his outcome in my
• 1:36:54
  life. It's just so weird to hear.
• 1:36:56
  You say it from like, like reversing the systematic
• 1:37:01
  desensitization from the enemy in the world and absolutely
• 1:37:05
  plugging in realistic like terms and training strategies plans,
• 1:37:12
  that you can actually start to go.
• 1:37:14
  I'm sharpening in this way and right for this to be the the
• 1:37:18
  outcome because if in my experience and I don't know much
• 1:37:23
  but but When we want to serve God, when Christ is like, we're
• 1:37:28
  not just like, Oh I'm a Christian and I'm doing
• 1:37:30
  everything. The world's doing when we're
• 1:37:31
  really trying to be holy as he is, Holy trying to be set apart
• 1:37:34
  failing, terribly. In my case.
• 1:37:38
  The I feel like man you shouldn't have said that that
• 1:37:41
  hurt that person and it's like like it's like my will wants to
• 1:37:45
  be flipped into like I don't want to ever do that again.
• 1:37:49
  And then there's like their trauma of if it happens again.
• 1:37:52
  And I think the enemy then plays on the mental note, you didn't
• 1:37:55
  get it right last week so we're heading right?
• 1:37:59
  And this is the battle that me as a man sitting here, talking
• 1:38:03
  to another man in Christ. This is the stuff I deal with.
• 1:38:06
  And I'm not alone, right? It's been like my hands down and
• 1:38:10
  honor to hear you. Share your heart and your
• 1:38:14
  research, your experience of what God has called you to just
• 1:38:17
  one body. One, Spirit, many members
• 1:38:20
  diversity of roles that we play. And I think that's something
• 1:38:23
  else. I really like to talk with you
• 1:38:26
  about a down the road to because the old way of doing things
• 1:38:30
  doesn't work, it out. Your God has showed us that man.
• 1:38:34
  I got to tell you the word spoke that to me one time.
• 1:38:37
  When Once years ago, when I was studying all of this, and I had
• 1:38:41
  come to a lot of insight, it was working for me was working for
• 1:38:44
  other people, but I still have a little bit of Doubt of God, is
• 1:38:49
  this, is this, right? This is the right path.
• 1:38:52
  And I was struggling with it and one night, I went, and I sit on
• 1:38:55
  this bench and we're by, where I used to live, is little gazebo.
• 1:38:59
  I said there and the Lord just spoke to me.
• 1:39:02
  It was a powerful moment, powerful, but he spoke to me and
• 1:39:07
  basically, the message was you are on the right track.
• 1:39:10
  Then I heard this. They're going to be people who
• 1:39:14
  will come to you like Nicodemus in the night pastors many people
• 1:39:20
  because they're struggling because the old answers or will
• 1:39:24
  no longer be working. He literally spoke that to my
• 1:39:28
  heart fast forward, a couple of decades later.
• 1:39:32
  This is what we see happening. People coming and going I read
• 1:39:35
  my Bible and pray, I fast, I have people pray over me.
• 1:39:40
  I had people cast things out of me.
• 1:39:42
  I'm still Bubbling I thought people come to me and say, do I
• 1:39:45
  have a demon? I go?
• 1:39:47
  No, you just walking in the flesh and you to renew your
• 1:39:49
  money and they go. And they look relieved, to go,
• 1:39:52
  really? Because they're Believers and
• 1:39:54
  they've been told they have a demon dog like that.
• 1:39:55
  You don't have a demon because and the reason they've been told
• 1:39:58
  as a demon because I said, I've tried and I tried and I tried
• 1:40:00
  and I tried and I tried and I can't overcome it and I go
• 1:40:03
  because you're trying to overcome it either at a
• 1:40:04
  behavioral level You're trying to overcome it at an
• 1:40:08
  intellectual level. You haven't dealt with the
• 1:40:10
  emotional of and sometimes dealing with the emotional level
• 1:40:13
  means I need to deal with stuff. I need to do with my stuff from
• 1:40:17
  my past. I need to get that cleared up.
• 1:40:20
  I mean I need to deal with outdated beliefs.
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  I work with a guy because one of the things I do is marital
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  coaching, we call it. We it's coaching that we do a
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  couple's awful, things that I've learned and part of that is
• 1:40:31
  teaching them to deal with their emotions.
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  And I work with a guy, one time who wants to reassure, he was
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  having some problems. He was, he was doing some things
• 1:40:40
  in his marriage that was called in his marriage to fall apart,
• 1:40:44
  right? So we met he and I we have been
• 1:40:47
  working together to that point about.
• 1:40:48
  So you and I need to meet one-on-one.
• 1:40:51
  I'm gonna find out what it was. He had a belief on the inside of
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  him. That said, there's something
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  wrong with me. People always leave me.
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  And he had this belief since he was a kid, he had experienced it
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  with his parents, hit experience it with one of his brothers get
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  experience, it with an old girlfriend, who left him for
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  another family member. So he had this belief that there
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  was something wrong with him. So his idea was before my why?
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  Cuz he would say I don't understand why she's with me.
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  She's pretty, she's beautiful. Why is she with me?
• 1:41:24
  So here's think it was eventually she's going to leave
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  me. So when his wife are go out with
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  her girlfriends, she was a Godly woman.
• 1:41:31
  Hugo where you going to do with my girlfriend's?
• 1:41:34
  He goes, why are you dressed like that?
• 1:41:35
  You understand that for me? Why are you looking like that?
• 1:41:38
  Why are you putting on that cologne that perfume?
• 1:41:40
  He would so he would but it was the fear.
• 1:41:43
  He had never recognized his. So when we were talking and
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  there's a process of asking questions to help to undo
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  Unearthed this stuff, we came to that he said, oh my gosh, he
• 1:41:54
  said, because part of the process was I said, I said, how
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  are you? How do you feel when you're in
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  the he says, I just feel like, I don't know.
• 1:42:03
  I just like I don't understand why I said will stay with that.
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  Feeling for a second, I go in order to feel this way.
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  What do you have to believe is true?
• 1:42:12
  He stopped for a moment and he went.
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  There's something wrong with me and that's why people leave me
• 1:42:17
  and he Tears. Start coming.
• 1:42:19
  He said I never realized that before, so we change that
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  belief. We re-establish it with the
• 1:42:25
  truth of God. Part of it was finding his honor
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  in God, we established his honoring.
• 1:42:33
  God one session, I'm not kidding.
• 1:42:35
  You one session, it changed his life, his marriage turned around
• 1:42:40
  his wife, testified to it. When they were coming to me for
• 1:42:44
  murder coaching, they were sent to me by their Pastor, who's a
• 1:42:46
  friend of mine and I later interviewed them and I said,
• 1:42:51
  when you first came to me on a scale of 1 to 10, how bad was
• 1:42:54
  your marriage, the wife said 20, I said really she goes, she
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  said, she said, we were on the edge and I was getting ready to
• 1:43:03
  push him off. And I met with them for a year.
• 1:43:09
  Mmm work with them. Work through a lot of emotion,
• 1:43:12
  taught them, how to deal with their own emotions.
• 1:43:14
  He had that breakthrough, totally turned around everything
• 1:43:17
  around. Hmm.
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  And I said to them, the very first day we met, probably, this
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  is from the Lord. I said, you guys are going to be
• 1:43:24
  working with married, okay? Married couples.
• 1:43:27
  And they looked at me, like, I had two heads.
• 1:43:29
  They're like, we don't even like each other and you're talking
• 1:43:31
  about us, you know what she said?
• 1:43:32
  I don't like him right now. I love him, but I don't like
• 1:43:34
  him. Today, this is like five years
• 1:43:37
  later. They are the head of the
• 1:43:41
  marriage, Ministry at their Church.
• 1:43:44
  They had a marriage conference. They invited me to be their
• 1:43:47
  guest speaker, and they're doing a marriage retreat in Hawaii.
• 1:43:51
  I think this year and I told him, I said, why wasn't I
• 1:43:55
  invited to that one? That's the one I really want to
• 1:43:59
  go to Wills involved. My emotions evolved
• 1:44:04
  intellectually, but it was always changing the emotional
• 1:44:10
  level at the level and finding out what was wrong and making
• 1:44:14
  that Shit. A lot of people are doing things
• 1:44:18
  Christians that they don't want to do, and they're told to stop
• 1:44:22
  doing it and they're trying but they don't understand that they
• 1:44:25
  are living in Romans 7, the good that I would.
• 1:44:28
  I do not the evil that I would not, that is what I'm doing, who
• 1:44:32
  will deliver me? And people are telling them what
• 1:44:34
  Jesus Will, and it's true. And I tell people said, listen,
• 1:44:38
  the tools are just instruments in means by which God can work
• 1:44:41
  to affect your renewing of your mind.
• 1:44:44
  That's a, the he is the source of the healing, he is the source
• 1:44:47
  of the transformation. The tools are just means by
• 1:44:50
  which he can work, but they are told you need to stop doing
• 1:44:54
  this. You need to stop doing the and
• 1:44:55
  they use, the are told it at the behavioral level or the
• 1:44:58
  cognitive intellectual level. And I'll say there's one.
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  Last thing I was praying one day and about this about Temptation
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  after there's two things. I like to say, if you don't mind
• 1:45:09
  one is what I was thinking about Temptation.
• 1:45:12
  And I believe the Lord showed me he says I was studying this one
• 1:45:15
  else. I think about Jesus Temptation
• 1:45:17
  and I was meditating on the Temptation, I think it's Mark
• 1:45:20
  for Luke 4. And the worst are show me says,
• 1:45:22
  when my people are tempted by the enemy, Satan tempts you at
• 1:45:29
  the intellectual and the emotional of thoughts to the
• 1:45:33
  mind which stirs up emotions, right?
• 1:45:36
  He's about when my people respond to the Temptation, they
• 1:45:39
  only respond intellectually. And they leave the emotions out.
• 1:45:44
  This is why we struggle because our thoughts are going one way
• 1:45:49
  our will maybe going. I want to do what's right, but
• 1:45:51
  our emotions are going the opposite direction.
• 1:45:53
  And Jesus enunciated a principal.
• 1:45:55
  He says A house divided against itself.
• 1:45:58
  Will fall. You can't stand people sometimes
• 1:46:02
  when I teach them as they go. Well, aren't you motion aren't
• 1:46:04
  emotions unreliable? We've always been taught.
• 1:46:06
  Emotions are unreliable, you can't count on your emotion, I
• 1:46:08
  go. If that's true.
• 1:46:10
  Why is that the number one weapon of the enemy against us?
• 1:46:12
  I think about it. What is James say about
• 1:46:15
  Temptation. Every man, when he is, tempted
• 1:46:18
  is drawn away by his own King, James has less but the word
• 1:46:21
  actually in Greek is desire. He is drawn away by his own
• 1:46:25
  desire. Every Temptation has a feeling
• 1:46:28
  emotional desire involved. If you take the feeling emotion
• 1:46:32
  and desire out of a Temptation, out of it, out of the
• 1:46:34
  Temptation, it ceases to be a Temptation.
• 1:46:37
  Yeah, if you came to me said, Mike, want a cigarette would
• 1:46:40
  mean nothing to me. I don't, I've never If you said
• 1:46:43
  Mike, want some crack with mean anything to me because I've
• 1:46:46
  never done drugs. If you came to me, said Mike was
• 1:46:49
  some dryers French, vanilla ice cream.
• 1:46:50
  Now, we got a problem. Now I'm like, oh, get behind me,
• 1:46:57
  you know, donut, no, we got a problem.
• 1:47:01
  Why there is emotion and desire into that?
• 1:47:05
  There is none link to cigarettes cocaine, alcohol.
• 1:47:09
  You could throw alcohol in front of me all day long.
• 1:47:11
  And I said, one drink, I call them said, I don't drink, but if
• 1:47:15
  you were say, I come on. Come on, let's get drunk.
• 1:47:17
  It would hold no appeal to me whatsoever, but if you hold a
• 1:47:20
  box of glazed doughnuts in front of me, now, I gotta walk in the
• 1:47:23
  spirit. Got to apply some tool to walk
• 1:47:27
  away from that. You'd get the point that I'm
• 1:47:29
  making emotional much. So, save me, utilizes our own
• 1:47:34
  emotions against us. That's why I told people, I go
• 1:47:36
  people go, oh, they're unreliable our goal yet.
• 1:47:39
  Every time you're tempted, and if you're tempted in the same
• 1:47:42
  thing over and over, it's funny how reliable those emotions are.
• 1:47:46
  It's a mass training. If you train, unreliable
• 1:47:50
  emotions are emotions that have not been trained.
• 1:47:56
  And I'll leave it at that. Tell, tell my listeners where
• 1:48:01
  they can find you. Like, if you have a show, do you
• 1:48:04
  have a website? We actually going to be starting
• 1:48:07
  a podcast pretty soon called for the Christian Community.
• 1:48:11
  I believe we're going to call it the flourishing life and we're
• 1:48:14
  going to be talking about all of these things.
• 1:48:16
  I did a whole series at our church called on, we called it
• 1:48:20
  success and prosperity of Kingdom perspective, when we
• 1:48:21
  talk about the concept of flourishing and looked at, you
• 1:48:25
  know, what does the world say? What are some a buret teachings
• 1:48:27
  in the body of Christ? What is the Bible?
• 1:48:29
  A really say, you know, so we're looking to start soon.
• 1:48:34
  I need is actually set a date for it, but we're going to be
• 1:48:36
  doing a podcast for the Christian Community called the
• 1:48:40
  flourishing life. We do trainings, there's a
• 1:48:43
  training, we have called Sanctified emotions, which is
• 1:48:47
  emotional intelligence for Christians.
• 1:48:50
  We actually have a coaching certification program called New
• 1:48:54
  Creation coaching where we certify people to be coaches to
• 1:48:57
  work with Christians and weave. Train them in the different
• 1:49:00
  tools and stuff that I use that we created that we've done two
• 1:49:02
  of those so far. And there's another train we do
• 1:49:04
  call patterns for renewing the mind which is another
• 1:49:07
  certification people can find me primary same way you did go on
• 1:49:11
  Facebook with me up you know, Mike Davis, they can type I
• 1:49:16
  think it's www. Huh.
• 1:49:20
  Mike, I think I'll of us here. We cut out.
• 1:49:24
  Yeah, we found it for a second. Yeah, I can hear you now.
• 1:49:26
  Can you hear me? Can you hear me now?
• 1:49:30
  Okay? Yes, you're back.
• 1:49:31
  You're back. Yeah.
• 1:49:32
  Sorry about that. Yeah, but they can reach me on
• 1:49:34
  Facebook. There's look up.
• 1:49:36
  Mike Davis, we have a YouTube channel called kic TV.
• 1:49:42
  I think we're freezing up again. Can you hear me?
• 1:49:45
  We froze up. One more time can hear me now?
• 1:49:47
  Yes, it's gonna happen. Didn't it out.
• 1:49:50
  Yeah. Maybe he's telling us, we need
• 1:49:51
  to quit, but we have a YouTube channel called kic TV.
• 1:49:55
  It's is keeping it in context TV with my day.
• 1:49:58
  Davis. Why do a lot of Biblical
• 1:49:59
  teaching on different topics and we look at it within historical
• 1:50:02
  cultural context? Look at the Greek, the Hebrew
• 1:50:05
  ancient near Eastern culture but we make it interest.
• 1:50:07
  You have told you I don't do boring, we make it interesting
• 1:50:09
  and fun to learn and so we also can be starting another YouTube
• 1:50:15
  channel and podcast where we're talking, we're going to be
• 1:50:17
  talking about emotions, renewing the Mind success from a Biblical
• 1:50:20
  perspective, which I like to use the term flourishing.
• 1:50:24
  Like, because what, I'm a big believer in that, is that
• 1:50:26
  success is not really something that you To pursue is something
• 1:50:29
  that you live. It's a way of living rather than
• 1:50:31
  a weight then rather than something you pursue.
• 1:50:34
  Yeah. And has to do with what I call
• 1:50:36
  the flourishing life that God wants us to flourish but has to
• 1:50:39
  do more with how we lived and what we then what we acquire you
• 1:50:43
  know. So but yeah they can reach me on
• 1:50:46
  Facebook as the door they can write me.
• 1:50:48
  I'll give you my email address, it's MLD training.
• 1:50:53
  So m is in mykel isn't lying these and dog MLD training at
• 1:50:57
  msn.com. Mom.
• 1:51:00
  Yeah, it was an honor that was an absolute link you.
• 1:51:03
  This is fun. Love to have you back for a part
• 1:51:07
  2 in this spring beginning of summer this year.
• 1:51:12
  And that's it. That's the show everybody.
• 1:51:15
  I know this was edifying because it's edifying for me if you
• 1:51:20
  learned something If this causes you to laugh and just just think
• 1:51:24
  different about the way that you're living and what gods were
• 1:51:30
  and the tools he's given us. Then I want you to share this
• 1:51:36
  with a friend, a family member share this with your past coming
• 1:51:42
  to you from Southeastern Pennsylvania.
• 1:51:44
  God Bless America and goodbye. Thank you for letting me indulge
• 1:52:16
  myself. I know I go off.
• 1:52:18
  There is absolutely. Let me call my wife a real
• 1:52:21
  quick. I just want to say hi.
• 1:52:35
  Oh yes. Yeah, it's time to I'm three
• 1:52:42
  hours ahead of you, right, right.
• 1:52:43
  But we've been married seven years.
• 1:52:46
  Cool. My son's.
• 1:52:49
  He turns six on Friday. So we got a little dude.
• 1:52:54
  First first year in kindergarten this year, it has been rough.
• 1:52:58
  But my wife, she's actually been in the country.
• 1:53:00
  For I like to see 12 almost 13 years, she's actually from the
• 1:53:06
  Philippines. Wow, You can see that that's a
• 1:53:10
  picture of me and her glare on it or not I see it as a sort of
• 1:53:15
  restaurant is time Russia but it's fascinating because, you
• 1:53:21
  know, I like I said, I grew up outside of Philadelphia and I
• 1:53:23
  just knew like this culture, you know, like did you yet and how
• 1:53:27
  you do it, right? It does culture and she was a
• 1:53:31
  shock. She was like, wow.
• 1:53:35
  Like like just I'm like what you live how and you carry yourself
• 1:53:41
  in what way and one of the things that attracted me to her
• 1:53:44
  so much and one of the things she says about me is about
• 1:53:49
  honest was that I have twins that are there going to be 16
• 1:53:53
  years old. Hmm, out of wedlock.
• 1:53:55
  You know, I was, I was young, I was very young.
• 1:53:58
  I was 18 almost turning 19 when we have by the in Siena
• 1:54:02
  fraternal twins and very worthy work.
• 1:54:07
  Relationship worldly everything but it's she what God has been
• 1:54:11
  teaching me through my wife. Like I wasn't allowed in her
• 1:54:16
  mother's house to like and the we're engaged culture shock.
• 1:54:22
  Like for me I'm like well I respect it because I got my
• 1:54:25
  heart broken it on my God, I'm celibate for a little while and
• 1:54:29
  you know coming to the Lord at that 24 years old.
• 1:54:32
  So I started to change as mistakes, but it's not hard to
• 1:54:35
  change this go. The more I get this right, you
• 1:54:41
  know. I don't want to I don't want to
• 1:54:42
  die in all of this. But anyway, she's been on.
• 1:54:47
  She's been quite a rock and, you know, a challenge and just just
• 1:54:52
  causing me to forcing me to see things differently.
• 1:54:55
  Like, because she's done America night.
• 1:54:58
  I tell people, she's on Americanized.
• 1:55:00
  And like, what do you mean by that?
• 1:55:01
  I'm like, you know, if you know, we don't know ourselves, we
• 1:55:06
  right. And there's so many Loose Ends
• 1:55:15
  especially biblically in like from a man who's terribly flawed
• 1:55:20
  like, where I'm at and what I know God wants me to be holy as
• 1:55:25
  he is Holy. I know I'm not living whole, you
• 1:55:28
  know, I still am wrestling and dealing like I smoke cigars, my
• 1:55:32
  wife, who eats it and that's one of the like the last Frontiers.
• 1:55:36
  Whereas I don't I'm a drink in, I never intervene it.
• 1:55:39
  Like, did hard drugs or nothing like that, you know, I partied
• 1:55:42
  when I was younger, but I'm like that's so hard to quit these
• 1:55:47
  smoking these little cigars and you're saying stuff from this
• 1:55:49
  episode tonight, where I'm like, My will you're my intellect.
• 1:55:56
  I like by does all this stuff has to line up but I'm like why
• 1:56:01
  are we not talk to think that way?
• 1:56:06
  That's why I say things like systematic desensitization.
• 1:56:09
  Yeah yeah get like some secret backdoor to Christianity
• 1:56:15
  Christians. You actually got it, right?
• 1:56:17
  And then there's all of us out here who need help.
• 1:56:20
  Yeah, I'm telling you. That that was me.
• 1:56:23
  I when I started with, I was like, why are we not told?
• 1:56:27
  And then I realized is because nobody else knew we didn't know,
• 1:56:30
  you know, and the way like I said, we had a we've had a bad
• 1:56:34
  theology about emotion. Matter of fact there was a guy
• 1:56:38
  named Martin Seligman, he was the past president of the
• 1:56:42
  American Psychological Association when he became the
• 1:56:46
  president. He gave his inaugural address
• 1:56:49
  and he said in Gee, we've been studying maladaptive emotions
• 1:56:55
  from almost the beginning of psychology, many new study,
• 1:56:58
  anger, and rage and depression, is that we just studied all the
• 1:57:02
  negative emotions. He said we need to start
• 1:57:05
  studying positive emotions, and the impact that they have.
• 1:57:08
  A, how do we nurture? And I was surprised when I heard
• 1:57:11
  his own, wait, a minute psychologist that hasn't been
• 1:57:13
  there, that wasn't their focus. So that began began a whole
• 1:57:17
  movement in Psychology called positive psychology.
• 1:57:21
  That's been going on now. Now, for about 25, 30 years.
• 1:57:24
  Okay, I remember when it started and when I heard him say that I
• 1:57:28
  went, that's the same problem. We've had in Christianity, we
• 1:57:31
  have studied the - if you it, when II started collecting books
• 1:57:37
  by Christians, by Christian therapists and psychologists,
• 1:57:40
  most of them dealt with their things.
• 1:57:41
  Like how to get over a hanger, how to get over lust, how to get
• 1:57:45
  over depression. There was nothing about how do
• 1:57:48
  you cultivate or I should say, there's nothing.
• 1:57:49
  There was very little on. How do you cultivate?
• 1:57:52
  They Joy, are you cultivate? Peace.
• 1:57:54
  How do you? And then there was, there was
• 1:57:56
  absolutely nothing on. How do you utilize your emotions
• 1:58:00
  to change your emotions. There is nothing on that and
• 1:58:04
  I'll be honest with you, they're still really nothing on that
• 1:58:07
  that that's we've gotten better in the body of Christ.
• 1:58:10
  I've been tracking it for the past 30 years we've gotten
• 1:58:14
  better. We were talking about emotions
• 1:58:16
  down the church. We're talking about things we
• 1:58:18
  struggle with but I said, but we still got some catching up to
• 1:58:21
  do. There are there are things that
• 1:58:23
  I know I do. And I'm not a therapist, I tell
• 1:58:25
  people that. I'm not a therapist.
• 1:58:27
  I'm not a counselor. I'm a coach.
• 1:58:29
  That's what. And I said, I'm a pastor and I'm
• 1:58:30
  a coach but I have actually trained therapist and what I do
• 1:58:35
  because they're like, what are you doing?
• 1:58:37
  How are you? So, I've had therapist come to
• 1:58:39
  my training so that they can learn my tools and strategies
• 1:58:43
  that I've learned from other people and because they and I I
• 1:58:47
  have a couple of friends who are counselors.
• 1:58:50
  They're licensed Who knew me mm0?
• 1:58:54
  I'm sorry. I don't mean to keep you man.
• 1:58:56
  I know you got to go. No, no, I'm hanging onto it.
• 1:58:59
  Like I'm loving. It's one of those things.
• 1:59:01
  Like I I've been up since 4:00 a.m. so forgive you and it a
• 1:59:05
  little bit but I have offered a next five days.
• 1:59:08
  That's why. I was like totally cool with
• 1:59:09
  this late interview because I'm doing a training this past
• 1:59:13
  weekend. We get up at four in the
• 1:59:15
  morning. We start at 4:30 minutes.
• 1:59:22
  Degrees and counseling. Okay, I have another friend who
• 1:59:27
  has a master's degree in counseling.
• 1:59:28
  All three of them told me that they were not really taught how
• 1:59:32
  to help people to change. They spent all I said, yes, but
• 1:59:36
  you spent all this money and they go, I know.
• 1:59:38
  But I was not two of them, I have personally trained and they
• 1:59:41
  get the intellect, they get intellect, intellect, intellect
• 1:59:44
  from school, my will, in the emotion, yet, one of my friends
• 1:59:49
  is a really cool to. He's a pastoral, he's in charge
• 1:59:53
  of pastoral care at a church in Minnesota.
• 1:59:57
  L. Can he told me?
• 1:59:58
  He said, Mike, he said what you and Bob Bob was my partners in
• 2:00:02
  this guy who trained me. He said, what Mike taught me.
• 2:00:05
  He said we learn any of that in my class is that we didn't learn
• 2:00:08
  any of that and I go really, I said, what did you learn?
• 2:00:11
  He said, we were taught models of change but we were not taught
• 2:00:15
  how to help people to change. Oh wait, you're kidding me.
• 2:00:18
  I'm working with a young lady. Now who's a therapist she when I
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  first met her she saw me on somebody's interview.
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  She said, can I contact you as a?
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  Yeah. So we taught and I showed her a
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  simple tool to help people and release negative emotions She's
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  like oh my gosh she said you just giving me something to help
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  my client. She said, cause sometimes I work
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  with my clients, all this emotion gets stirred up but then
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  I don't know what to do with all these emotions that get stirred
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  up. So they leave my session with
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  all these emotions. And I was like, oh, that's
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  terrible because I never when I have clients, always tell them.
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  I said, I will never leave you worse than when you came in.
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  Never, I do not do that. I've heard that there are a lot
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  of therapists who do that. They'll stir up all these
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  emotions. Then I go.
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  Well, our time is up, I'll see you next week.
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  Take a double dose of your medicine for the next three
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  days. So that you don't know, man.
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  Tell me you and I respect their opinions but some of the what I
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  realized they have the tool so I share with the generator for let
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  me show you a simple tool. She shared it with her client.
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  She said, she said my client called me back said, man, this
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  is this is made such a difference.
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  I thank God for this. She said, when I get depressed,
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  now I know how to release it. Let It Go.
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  But I don't get stirred up and she ended therapist was thanking
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  me. She said, thank you.
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  You shown me a way of helping my Ants and now so she wants to
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  take the training with me. She says let me know when you're
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  doing a training, I got another therapist who wants to join the
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  training. So so so what does that training
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  look like if I was like I mean we're three hours differences.
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  It's online obviously? Right?
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  Yeah. We do it first and only or one
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  of them is what we call a hybrid approach.
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  It is. Okay.
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  Part of its online. That's the patterns for
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  Renewing, Your Mind part of its online.
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  Part of it. It's, we make face to fit, well,
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  we weren't doing it during the pandemic.
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  So we actually, I didn't even Trainees during the pandemic
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  because we're doing so many other ones.
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  The other two are online though, and we normally do the.
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  So the Sanctified emotions one, which is for your personal and
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  then the, the coach certification, which is for
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  working with other people. Those two are done all online,
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  they're all online. We usually be using meet once a
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  week for about two hours in the evening and you get practices.
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  Then we sometimes we do extra Shinzon the weekend where we
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  meet together we talked about how is it working for you?
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  There's not working right? Like there are coaches that I
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  still work with in terms of like they'll get it could.
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  Hey Mike I'm working with this person and so I approached this
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  because I've been doing this. Hmm, I've been doing the
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  coaching part for over 20 years. The guy like 20 years experience
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  and so I go. Okay, did you try this?
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  Did you do this? They go?
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  No, I didn't ask. Okay, try that.
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  Let me know how it works so I consult with them.
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  Hmm, you know? And so we do that too.
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  So I With my coaches. Some of them are they've been
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  coaches for a while. Some of them are new.
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  So I go I walk with you I you know hold your hand for long as
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  you need most. I think it's necessary to help
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  you get started. Help you in working with people
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  because I tell him I said once you learn the skills that
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  doesn't mean you're an expert that just means you know, the
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  skills becoming an expert takes time, you know, training the
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  training course. Yeah.
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  Because those aren't our coaches, our coaches training is
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  over fifteen week period. So we meet Once a week.
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  Yeah. And you get about two hours,
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  that's two hours of the actual time, and then the extra
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  meetings we have, but because I want to make sure people are
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  thoroughly trained, but you keep training actual tools to help
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  people to change. So we show them how to do it.
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  We show them how to ask good questions, how to listen, what
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  we're getting ready to do next, is create a because I've we've
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  had a lot of success with helping marry couples.
• 2:03:59
  We're going to do a training on how to work out a coach married
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  couples. So because a friend, Of my one
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  of the coaches I trained. She said are you going to do a
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  training on how to work with couples?
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  Oh wait, no, I said the train I gave you guys.
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  She says, no, no, you do something different.
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  I hear you talking about it. She said I thought about went.
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  Yeah, I do kind of do some things differently there so but
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  we but in the trainees we talk about two things, we talk about
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  principles and patterns. We talked about the principles
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  of change and then we show you the patterns of the strategies
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  to help people change and we do it all from a Biblical
• 2:04:30
  perspective. I have closed until it was a
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  neuroscientific perspective where he said, well said, I have
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  a lot to learn. I thank God, I'll say this in
• 2:04:42
  close. I thank God for the path you
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  take. It was difficult in the early
• 2:04:45
  years. I didn't know if I was going
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  down the wrong path but what it made me do was study very hard
• 2:04:52
  and in depth now I get people coming to me having questions
• 2:04:57
  like oh well what about this? What about this?
• 2:04:59
  How does this fit with scripture?
• 2:05:00
  I go. Oh it's okay let's talk about
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  That It Go like, oh my God. You really, I've had, I had a, I
• 2:05:05
  had a psychologist. One time who was struggling with
• 2:05:09
  being a psychologist, because he was a Christian.
• 2:05:12
  And he said, he's at my family, condemns me for being a
• 2:05:15
  psychologist. They said, I'm not trusting God,
• 2:05:18
  so I sat down with him at lunch one day, let me share with you
• 2:05:20
  what God showed with me, and he started crying.
• 2:05:24
  And he said, you've helped me in 30 minutes more than I've been
• 2:05:27
  helped in a long time. Is it just by sharing your
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  journey? So, I look at what I've In
• 2:05:32
  through that God is now he's now using it to help other people.
• 2:05:37
  And so I'm very grateful. Keep him what you told me to
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  keep doing it. When you are to thank you for
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  having me on your podcast.