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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed CO/Lieutenant (Part 1) (5/13/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're diving into another transcript
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  from an interview given by a correctional officer at MCC
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  to the OIG about the death of Jeffrey Epstein. And
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  once again, when I say question, that is the investigator
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  asking the question. When I say answer, that's the response
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  of the corrections officer. Question. Okay, before starting the interview,
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  I would like to place you under oath redacted? Can
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  you please raise your right hand? Do you swear to
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  tell the truth and nothing but the truth? Join the interview? Answer? Yeah,
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  question Please let me know if you don't understand any
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  question and I'll repeat it or try to rephrase it
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  for you. What's your current home address? He goes through
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  all of that, and the Social Security and all of that.
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  Then he gets to college question what's your highest level
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  of education? Answer a bachelor's degree? Question? Which college? Answer? Redacted? Question?
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  And what was the bachelor's degree in? Answer Forensic psychology
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  and counseling. Question You said forensic psychology. Answer Forensic psychology
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  and counseling question in what year did you graduate? Answer
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  two thousand and seven question? And that's in New York City.
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  Correct answer yeah. Question okay, what did you do prior
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  to working for the BOP? Answer? I was a New
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  York City probation officer. Question for how long? Answer three years?
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  Question did you have any military service? Answer? No? Question
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  how long have you served with the Federal Bureau of Prisons?
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  Answer a little over ten years ten years and five months.
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  Question do you recall your entry and duty date? Answer
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  yeah to thirteen eleven. Question and prior to that you
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  said you were with New York City Probation's Office and
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  that was for how many years? Three years? Answer? Yeah.
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  Question what did you do prior to that? Answer New
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  York State? Correct officer? Question new York State? How long
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  did you do that for? Answer about seven or eight months?
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  Question and prior to that answer, I was a full
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  time student at redacted question the short period with New
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  York State? Did you resign from that position? Answer? Yeah,
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  I resigned to go to probation. Question Okay, when did
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  you graduate from BOP training? Answer April twenty thirteen. Question
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  When and where was your first office assignment with the BOP?
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  Answer Allenwood, Pennsylvania. Question okay, and what year was that? Answer?
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  Twenty eleven when I started. Question what was your position? Answer?
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  Correctional officer? Question did you stay there or did you
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  move on as a correctional officer? Answer? I was there
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  from February, my EOD date, until October twenty thirteen. That's
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  why I transferred to MCC New York. October sixth, twenty
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  thirteen was my first day at MCC New York. Question
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  did you transfer as he gets cut off by the guard?
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  Lateral transfer? Question lateral transfer, so you were still a
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  correctional officer? Answer yes. Question okay, how does it work
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  in Allen Wood? Are you assigned to one of the
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  facilities or were you rotated throughout? Answer? Ninety five percent
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  of the time, I was at the medium, but when
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  we were short staffed, then I would go to the
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  pen on the low. But they tried their best to
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  keep you at one institution. But you were hired for
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  the entire complex, so you could bounce around. Question Okay,
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  when did you get promoted? Answer? October first, twenty twenty
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  was the day I got selected for lieutenant. But I
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  started here January third, twenty twenty one. Question okay, did
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  you hold any other position between correctional officer and lieutenant.
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  Answer correction officer was entry level, then automatic senior officer.
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  Then I was promoted to Senior Officers Specialist, which is
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  up under a GS eleven. I'm sorry, a GS nine lieutenant.
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  And then I'm now promoted to lieutenant. So the promotions
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  were the senior office specialist and the lieutenant. Question when
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  did you get promoted to senior officer specialist? Answer August October? No,
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  I'm sorry, August of fourteen or fifteen. I can't really
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  remember which year. Question but senior officer specialist. That's a
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  lieutenant position. Answer no question, Oh, it's just the same grade.
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  Answer No, Senior officer Specialist is an eight. Question oh,
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  and lieutenant's nine answer lieutenant is a nine and eleven.
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  I just can't remember what year I got promoted. I
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  can't remember if it was fourteen or fifteen. Question on
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  August ninth and tenth of twenty nineteen, what was your position?
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  Answer senior officer specialist. Question what shift did you work?
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  Do you recall on August ninth and tenth? Answer? I
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  don't remember what shift? Question Okay, I'm going to provide
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  you with it. I'm going to provide you with two documents.
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  It states mcc New York dle assignment roster. One is
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  for August ninth and one is for August tenth. Can
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  you just take a look at it? Answer? Yeah, question,
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  let me know if you recall. Answer yep, we got
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  the ninth here. Okay, yep, I was attorney conference for
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  daywatch eight to four. That's my regular shift. Question which
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  day was that August ninth? Answer? Uh, this is August ninth, yep.
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  And then wait, hold on a second right here, yep,
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  I did overtime from activities. Lieutenant is usually two to ten,
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  but I overlap because my regular hours are eight to four.
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  So usually when they have the senior specialist eights do activities,
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  we have to wait until four to actually start the
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  role because we're still doing our regular time. So I
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  did activities from four to ten that night. Question. Now,
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  we've talked to other lieutenants and they said that they
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  actually start the lieutenant position two hours earlier. Is that
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  the case with this case as well? Did you start
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  at four or did you start at two? Answer? I
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  started at four because I was attorney conference for my
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  straight time. Question. Okay, so because you did that, then
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  you actually did start at four. Answer that's correct. Question.
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  So from four until did you say you actually end
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  with that time? It says on that as well, answer yeah,
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  four to ten. And for August tenth, he gets cut
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  off by the investigator, So you didn't go until twelve am.
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  Answer that's correct question okay, yep, yeah, because okay that
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  makes sense. Answer yeah, all right, And then I'm looking
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  at the tenth. August tenth, I was shoot too. I
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  was supposed to be attorney conference. That was my post,
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  but because what happened with Epstein Attorney Conference, all social
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  visits was canceled. So when I came in that day,
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  I remember the lieutenant telling me to go to shoo
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  to help out. Extra bodies in shoe that day. They
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  put a bunch of us in chee to just be
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  there and help out questions. So when you were in
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  the shoe on August the tenth answer yeah, question no
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  what time? Answer eight to four? Question so eight to
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  four pm? Answer yeah, that's it. And I did overtime
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  question on August tenth. Answer yep. From internal we were
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  it was terrible with m dations and just being short
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  staffed whatever that means. So we all everybody that was
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  there for the day. We just pretty much stayed for
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  evening watch as well. Question Okay, so primarily what we're
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  going to be talking about is your on August ninth,
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  the shift from four to ten, and then we'll probably
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  ask you some questions at eight am to four pm
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  in the shoe the following day, and then they give
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  her a bunch of paperwork to sign like usual initials. Question.
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  She can keep that in front of her so that
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  if we ask you about other people, you can kind
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  of just refer to it. Question who is your supervisor
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  when you worked at MCC on August ninth and tenth?
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  Answer redacted? He is a GS nine lieutenant. Question is
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  that redacted? Answer? Yeah? Question okay, as a senior officer specialist.
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  What's your daily duty? Answer on that specific post because
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  it varies day to day. Question. I was going to
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  try to differentiate between what you do before as a
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  senior officer specialist to when you do activities lieutenant. So
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  on that post you said that your attorney conference right
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  answer yeah. Question what are your duties? Answer? So this
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  post entails pre trial inmates meeting with their legal team.
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  Question okay, answer lawyers, probation, whoever comes through on a
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  legal matter. That's where inmates meet with them on that
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  floor for whatever reason. Question okay, and what about an activity? Lieutenant? Answer?
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  Activities is louton tenant that night? Question yeah, that night? Answer.
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  So I'm required to do rounds, make sure that the
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  staff are alive and well, rounds of them doing their duties,
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  conducting their rounds, doing shakedowns, you know, making sure that
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  they're doing the count things like that. So basically just
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  supervising staff. Question okay, answer on accounts and rounds. Question yeah,
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  on that note, count and rounds. Do you assist with
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  doing the counts and rounds? Answer? Negative? Question so you
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  said though that they make sure that they do them.
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  How does the lieutenant actually ensure that the employees are
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  doing their accounts and rounds? Answer yep. So for instance,
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  if it's a certain day we all have the operations,
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  lieutenant will say, hey, I want you to observe account
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  in Unit seven North nine North is doing a bed count.
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  Go observe that count. So we ensure that those things
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  are being done. Basically, but when we make our specific
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  round and we're speaking with the officers saying, hey, is
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  everything good? You know, make sure you do your rounds,
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  basically reinforcing and reiterating because you know, at the end
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  of the day, we're all adults, so like you have
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  a job to do and we're just making sure and
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  you know, making sure that you're doing it. We're not
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  like babysitting and like, hey, you know, do a round.
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  Question Do the officers, though ever, actually participate in the
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  rounds and the counts? Are they supposed to do that
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  at all? Answer? Say that again? I'm sorry. Question, So
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  are the lieutenants? Are they supposed to participate in any
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  of the counts and rounds done on the inmates? So
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  when the CEOs are doing counts and rounds, he gets
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  cut off by the officer. Yes, yes, question is that
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  like you're supposed to do that like once a shift?
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  Answer no, So once a shift we're taking the count
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  So we're the ones in the control center where the
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  officers are actually calling their accounts in. So like observing
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  counts is something that we do irregularly, if you understand
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  what I'm trying to say. So like say, for instance,
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  if I'm activities today, I want to observe seven north
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  and conduct account I want to go up to nine
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  norths today and do a shakedown with them. It's just
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  something that as a lieutenant, you take the initiative and
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  when you go to the unit, you say, hey, let's
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  do a shakedown. Let's do a round on this. Tell,
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  let's do a round on this. Tell. You have any
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  issues with any inmates? Oh? Yeah, I had an issue
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  with inmate Smith. All right, let's go talk to inmate
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  Smith over there. Question. So it's your discretion. Answer yes, question, Okay.
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  So it's not like you just need to do this
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  or that. It's just that you want to take the
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  initiative to make sure that they know where they're going
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  and they're doing answer. It should be done. But it's
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  not like, hey, Monday, it has to be done. Tuesday
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  it has to be done. You know, as a lieutenant,
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  you should be a lot. You should be speaking with
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  the officers and in the mix and handling with them.
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  But it's not like Tuesday you do it, Wednesday, you
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  do this, Thursday, you do that. Answer okay, question, And
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  in special housing unit, we should be walking every single tier,
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  speaking with every single inmate as a lieutenant making rounds
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  in a special housing unit. All right, folks, we're gonna
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  wrap up right here and in the next episode dealing
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  with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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