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Episode 261: Family Ties (SG-1 10.18) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Into Gate episode two hundred and sixty one. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: starg at SG one this week with episode eighteen, season ten,
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  Speaker 1: Family Ties.
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  Speaker 2: You can keep that Mitchell here. I was thinking, we're
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  Speaker 2: having just a fun little cold open. Brenda and I
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  Speaker 2: finished talking. What do you do stop restart recording?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, sometimes you pick up on it and yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But Mitch's like, that was not good. Take two, guys,
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  Speaker 3: that's an.
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  Speaker 1: Air check in the room, a little bit at live editing.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, Rob Mills will be devastated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he hasn't been talked about in months, months, decade.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a new thing.
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  Speaker 2: It is some charity work. While ago he was running
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  Speaker 2: for charity or some ship.
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  Speaker 1: He's always on stage all the time as a breakfast
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  Speaker 1: radio person. We get offered chats with with Millsey all
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  Speaker 1: the time. He's in theater health.
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  Speaker 3: He's an actor. Remember the Wasabi Guy.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I know what you
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  Speaker 1: are talking about.
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  Speaker 3: It was like season three of Australian Guy.
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  Speaker 1: I would have at the time, Absolutely Lee, Lee.
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  Speaker 3: Lee Harding, Lee Harding. Where did I pull that from?
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  Speaker 2: I said, yeah, Lee Harding with Sabi. Look that up, guys.
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  Speaker 2: He's a great time.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta travel a little travel for you.
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  Speaker 2: Just just play some Lee harding with Sabi while you're
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  Speaker 2: trying to find where you can stream see patrol while
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  Speaker 2: you're in Japan.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot, a lot.
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  Speaker 1: We're filling in some gaps today.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean you said family ties, but there's only
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  Speaker 3: one family ties and the main man.
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  Speaker 4: A p K.
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  Speaker 3: Let's play it, Michael J. Fox? What what.
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  Speaker 5: This is?
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  Speaker 3: Some makeup? Oh yeah, Chris Judge loves this. Let's take shirt.
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  Speaker 6: We've been together a four million?
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  Speaker 3: What did you say, apk Alex P Michael J. Fox.
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  Speaker 3: That's his character's name. Oh that's a deep cut. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: well done, thank you. That's what he was known as
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  Speaker 3: for ages. Really remember that it's a start, then that
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  Speaker 3: he was a start. I just didn't know that. What
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  Speaker 3: would we do is shut in an army and thanks.
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  Speaker 1: And Denise Williams Denise spelled d E N I E
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  Speaker 1: c E. She is Denise n she is she is Denise.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have said that Indian, Indian and African man
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  Speaker 3: kame ala la stop it, come on, you've guy's brilliant, brilliant,
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  Speaker 3: but he's three weeks behind. She'll have won the presidency
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  Speaker 3: by this point.
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  Speaker 1: She might not have won the nomination.
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  Speaker 2: We could be in civil war by the time this well,
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  Speaker 2: that country could be in civil war by the time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we just follow what they do, we will
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  Speaker 1: be We love it when when the when the assassination happened,
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  Speaker 1: We're sitting there watching the news that was like on
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  Speaker 1: a Sunday, and I'm sitting there just like.
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  Speaker 3: I really want to watch that movie Civil War.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that new one that came out this year
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  Speaker 1: with Kurston Crash.
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  Speaker 3: I think when it Captain America.
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  Speaker 1: See, I heard really like it was. Yeah, I've heard
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  Speaker 1: mixed things about it, to be fair, but I'm like
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  Speaker 1: it's existence. Yeah, it's it's like two journals like there
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  Speaker 1: is like a modern day civil war in America. Again speaking,
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  Speaker 1: this is like a drunk Gibson Brothers movie review. I'm
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  Speaker 1: speaking having not seen as well there we like it
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  Speaker 1: barely seen a trailer, but like two journalists have got
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  Speaker 1: to get from one place to another covering things going
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  Speaker 1: on in the war out blah blah blah, but very
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  Speaker 1: much in like a modern America.
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  Speaker 3: And then like Biden comes out with two machine guns
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  Speaker 3: like like ripped so ripped and they're like, Joe, you're
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  Speaker 3: shooting the wrong way. Bro, I haven't.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen the film, but I'm gonna say, if
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna want to watch a journal political journalist film
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  Speaker 2: featuring Kirsten Dunce, of course you're gonna go and watch
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  Speaker 2: Dick' going to say spider Man politics in that journalism?
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  Speaker 2: He said, yeah, political journalism. Sorry, yeah, Well, Dick is
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  Speaker 2: the one about deep throat Williams, the white Michelle Williams,
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  Speaker 2: as they like to.
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  Speaker 1: Say, Yeah, yeah, I guess I'm racist because I only
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  Speaker 1: ever think of Michelle will Dawson's Creek Michelle Williams. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like the other Michelle Williams is like a trivia answer, right,
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  Speaker 1: She the the black Michelle Williams.
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  Speaker 3: She from Careful Destiny's Child.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams.
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  Speaker 3: Beyonce is actually related to Shannon. No one knew that
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  Speaker 3: until just gonna look this up, guys trial to make
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  Speaker 3: sure I'm not being this episode. American singer and actress
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  Speaker 3: Michelle Wiams. How's this saying? Sorry?
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  Speaker 1: The Wikipedia? Just as Destiny's Child was in Bold, an
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  Speaker 1: American musical girl group who's out of Bold final Bold
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  Speaker 1: line up, Unbold compromised Bold, Beyonce Knowles, Kelly Rowland back
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  Speaker 1: to Unbold, and Michelle Williams, like of.
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  Speaker 3: The three people in the three piece.
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  Speaker 2: And again showing the difference between your Google and my Google.
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  Speaker 2: I just googled Michelle Williams and I turns out her
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  Speaker 2: first name is Tantra. She's Tanetra Michelle Williams probably probably.
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  Speaker 3: With Michelle really, I think it is one of the
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  Speaker 3: ten t A.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of they did that when there was already
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Williams established. I'm like, you know, Dawson's creaking.
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  Speaker 3: She wasn't sad at that point, so true. She's older now,
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  Speaker 3: so there's probably didn't that point. Do you want to
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  Speaker 3: press that recess? Just start this whole thing again?
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  Speaker 5: Wow?
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  Speaker 3: Wow, where's that wipe? Said? Remember the wipe sound indicating
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  Speaker 3: you just delivered.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me find it because I feel like we
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  Speaker 1: might need it in the future. Yeah, yeah, No, it's
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  Speaker 1: too much throwing.
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  Speaker 3: What's this? No, it's too we wow.
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  Speaker 2: Something ironically we're going to get We're gonna get canceled
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  Speaker 2: during this episode, which this episode is basically Yeah, once
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  Speaker 2: Stargate knew that.
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  Speaker 3: They'd been canceled. Yeah, they made a few few meta
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  Speaker 3: meta things. Oh, we haven't read the synopsis yet. We're
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  Speaker 3: all over. No, I don't think you've even introduced us.
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  Speaker 1: Wanted to start by restarting the one being really horrific
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  Speaker 1: and and rude and racist is Maddie as always at
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  Speaker 1: Brendan the calm.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, sir, I'm the gentleman.
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  Speaker 7: We've always the progressive gentlemen, the perverted gentleman, progressive one
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  Speaker 7: hodly enough to my left, so progressive I'm past or
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  Speaker 7: you would like a beyond all the.
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  Speaker 3: Way back around to Pigot. I'm twenty forty eight, twenty
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  Speaker 3: forty eight Republican.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they canceled him. Really, I didn't even know the
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  Speaker 6: new season had started.
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  Speaker 5: I don't mind telling you I'm a bit disappointed in
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  Speaker 5: this facility. I was expecting more.
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  Speaker 6: Well at times, so do we.
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  Speaker 8: But the truth is the Stargate program just doesn't get
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  Speaker 8: the support it used to from the people in church.
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  Speaker 3: Why not Eureka, that's now somebody else.
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  Speaker 5: That's too bad, because, after all, your Stargate program is
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  Speaker 5: accomplished for this network of planets. I would think the
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  Speaker 5: decision makers would show it the respect of deserves.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now there's one thing there that I've never noticed is
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: Carter says the Stargate program doesn't get their respective deserves anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Then old what's his name says why not? And then
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  Speaker 2: Bill shouts Eureka, that's because Sci Fi green lit Eureka
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: the TV show, and apparently everybody at Stargate in the
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: writing room, we're in their feelings about it, yeah, saying
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  Speaker 2: what they've got the money to green lid this green
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  Speaker 2: light this show, which, to be fair, ran for like
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  Speaker 2: seven seasons, because.
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  Speaker 1: I know I've heard of it, but I watched it.
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  Speaker 3: Judging by the last kind of half of this season,
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of very basically.
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  Speaker 2: Judging by the audio commentary, I'm kind of glad they
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  Speaker 2: all got fired.
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  Speaker 3: I look, I hate maybe half of the writers were
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  Speaker 3: actually in Eureka.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pitching to like.
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  Speaker 3: Superle versus a Arl in the nineties.
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  Speaker 1: You learn about it, Carmel absolutely as we go. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I've got that ready for it. We won't need that.
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: We don't need that.
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: I like this funny thing is like our energy is
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: from the last two podcasts that we did two weeks ago,
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: two weeks just vibe. Yeah, Yeah, we don't block record
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  Speaker 3: at all.
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  Speaker 2: So this episode was written by fan frivites afro Its
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  Speaker 2: Joe and Paul, Joe Malazzi and Paul Mulley. Unfortunately, maybe
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  Speaker 2: that just the mill could soured after the news of
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  Speaker 2: the cancelation and stuff like that. But I just feel
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  Speaker 2: there was a little bit of just pettiness going on
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  Speaker 2: in the commentary.
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  Speaker 9: Speaking of Bow and speaking of this whole hair curler debacle.
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  Speaker 9: One of the things when when when the show ended,
• 10:29
  Speaker 9: I you know, went down and I thanked Bo, you know,
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  Speaker 9: a for all of his hard work, but b for
• 10:34
  Speaker 9: the fact that you know, whenever he had either you know,
• 10:39
  Speaker 9: a problem with a script or a line, you know,
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  Speaker 9: he'd always come up and he would run things by us,
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  Speaker 9: no matter how small, and you know, he would say,
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  Speaker 9: you know, I'd like to do this, or would you
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  Speaker 9: mind if I did that? And I always thought that
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  Speaker 9: was very cool, very cool, uh huh. And I just
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  Speaker 9: as a writer, I appreciated the fact that, you know, he.
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  Speaker 6: Trying to say that other people didn't do that sort
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  Speaker 6: of thing.
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  Speaker 9: Some did on bigger issues, some didn't, kind of mixing
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  Speaker 9: things up on the day, you know, and flying things
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  Speaker 9: different ways, you know, alter, you know, offering us kind
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  Speaker 9: of alternate takes, which are cool as long as they
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  Speaker 9: offer us an original take to choose from, which sometimes
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  Speaker 9: didn't happen.
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  Speaker 10: I mean the one where the line is actually said
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  Speaker 10: the way it was written in the script.
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  Speaker 6: Well, exactly. Interestingly enough, we have a someone whose responsibility
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  Speaker 6: is it.
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  Speaker 9: Is basically make sure that the dialogue is said the
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  Speaker 9: way it's said, the way it's written, because they have
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  Speaker 9: the script, you know, right there with them, and they
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  Speaker 9: follow along as.
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  Speaker 10: Generally is you know, you you hope that people would
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  Speaker 10: point out to the actors they might be saying something
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  Speaker 10: differently from the way it's written.
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  Speaker 9: But in retrospect they do realize when the lines are
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  Speaker 9: have been changed. Because whenever we go to editing and
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  Speaker 9: I asked to see the script, they made a point
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  Speaker 9: of whiting out the dialogue.
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  Speaker 6: Is it helpful? Written helpfully whiting and writing in what
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  Speaker 6: the actors actually said?
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  Speaker 9: Ah, it makes it doubly hard for us on to
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  Speaker 9: do the.
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  Speaker 6: A lesson in how much power we have on this show.
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  Speaker 2: Just felt a little icky and a little I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you'aring some dirty laundry, yeah, and just being well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe on set, they were just trying
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  Speaker 2: to polish your turn. Maybe that's why they were changing
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  Speaker 2: lines and wiping them out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It turns out Joe Paul wrote one good episode, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and most of the best parts of that
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  Speaker 3: episode was filler.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah back in season four, you know. Yeah, the director
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  Speaker 2: did all the yeah, did all the time loops and
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  Speaker 2: all the all the fun stuff. Best episode and they've
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  Speaker 2: just been coasting on.
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  Speaker 3: It and yeah, they made it up for you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So I mean I could relate.
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  Speaker 2: The reason I think maybe that jumped out at me
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  Speaker 2: is I ten years ago, I had my dream job
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  Speaker 2: and I loved it, and I got to a certain
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: point where I think I was being a little less
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  Speaker 2: appreciative of how good I had it because I wanted more.
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  Speaker 3: I want, you know, I wanted the next level last.
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  Speaker 2: Year only fans absolutely, And then it was I think
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  Speaker 2: it was after I don't know, I was kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, thinking myself is better than other people, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, getting a little bit too competitive with certain people.
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  Speaker 2: And then I lost my job, like I lost my
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  Speaker 2: dream job, and then I was like, oh, and then
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  Speaker 2: it was really hard at the time. But as I've like,
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  Speaker 2: as I've gone on from them, like, actually that I
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  Speaker 2: didn't realize how good I had it. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: should have actually just been really happy and accepted where
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: I was, and I probably potentially still would have had.
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  Speaker 3: The job as hard as you can.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So just I don't know, maybe I'm
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  Speaker 2: just projecting a little bit there, but that was the
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  Speaker 2: kind of vibe.
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  Speaker 3: And I've got a couple more that i'll play that
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  Speaker 3: I won't. I won't play them all, but those a
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  Speaker 3: couple more that.
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  Speaker 2: Just made me feel a little bit icky about how
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  Speaker 2: toxic the production side of stuff has gotten.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could. You hear it a lot about shows
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  Speaker 3: like Saturday Night Live. They're just so toxic, stealing premises
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  Speaker 3: and jokes of each other and stealing it off the
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: younger comics to get it for the older comment.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's allegedly Leslie Jones. So she is a
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: massive Rupule's Drag Race fan and she goes live after
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  Speaker 2: every episode. Leslie, Leslie Jones. She was in she was
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: in that horrible Ghostbuses movie, wasn't she Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The large black woman. Okay, did she win an egot too?
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  Speaker 5: Me?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: So apparently she goes like after after every episode of
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  Speaker 2: RuPaul's Drag Race, she goes live and like talks about
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  Speaker 2: it and like goes live on Instagram or TikTok whatever
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  Speaker 2: it is and talks with the fans and stuff. There
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: was a guy that put a TikTok up because he
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: worked on the production of the show and he actually
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: had a cameo in the episode of someone who got
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: like a drag makeover, and he loved he idolizes this
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: and he never he never named the person, but he
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: said he idolizes this person on SNL. He's a he's
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: a wanna be stand up comedian, like that's what he
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: wants to do. And he put a comment on the
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: live feed going, oh, yeah, I was in this episode.
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  Speaker 2: You'll see blah blah blah. And then the SNL person
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: was like, what do you want to medal? And just
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: like it was like meeting your right It's like they say,
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: never never meet big Bird, Like it's always this. So
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  Speaker 2: he put a TikTok up telling that story, not naming
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  Speaker 2: the SNL person, and then two days later he did
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  Speaker 2: like a follow up TikTok and he's like, yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: that SNL person because in the comments everyone went, oh,
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: that's obviously Leslie Jones. He never said the name, but
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: now now Leslie Jones is threatening to sue him for
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: like what because he told that story. And he's like, well,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't say your name. I just told what happened
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 3: They just assume you're a bitch. Yeah, So I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's very toxic. I feel like Stargate,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: especially in the first seven seasons, was probably not as toxic.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: That's how Rick was a big thing, because remember Rick
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  Speaker 2: was like, there's no ego in this show. It says
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: the guy with his name before the titles, but he
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: kept it a very light thing, like this the best
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: we can do. I don't think I actually clipped the audio,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: but there's a certain point in this. In this commentary,
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  Speaker 2: Joe and Paul Starter sentence as well now as executive producers,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: and then went on to yeah, he felt very Cooper vibes,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: and I was just a little bit put off, and
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, maybe it was time
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  Speaker 2: this show ended.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe you know, I feel like it. I did write
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: a note about it because it's it hurts me to
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: say it, and I know we've always said that endings
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: are hard but I honestly forgot how trash the ending
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: of this season was the end of the series apart
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  Speaker 3: from the the very last two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dominion and Unending are pretty flawless.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Unending. I can't remembers convers around it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but and then he is nice as like a standalone
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  Speaker 3: and it's just I.
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  Speaker 2: Just I know the fandom had because it is is
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: the series finale, you put a lot more pressure on that.
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  Speaker 3: So people were disappointed with But they were disappointed with Mobius.
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  Speaker 3: They were disappointed with every time they thought it was
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: gonna be I was the same with Scrubs.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Scrubs was originally going to be canceled with the writers'
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: strike back in like oh seven or and they had
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: a short season of thirteen episodes and the final episode,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: which wasn't actually filmed, as the final episode was like
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: a dream sequence one where it was like a Princess
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Brydon knockoff, and we all thought that was going to
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: be the final episode. We're all like, oh, oh, that's
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: a bit as a standalone episode, great, amazing As a
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: series finale, You're like, oh, but then they got like
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: another two seasons.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Those strikes are so to use a gen Z word
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  Speaker 3: cringe because you get all these idiots who are so
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: rich out on the street picketing, you know, Netflix and shit,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: and you're like, why, Yeah, it's like you're so rich,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: and you're saying it to the people in the audience
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: like we're fighting for the rights of the writers, which
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: is fine because chat GPD is going to take their
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: jobs anyway. AI is well, that's what they're worried about, right,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: And then you're like, why do I care? Yeah, struggling
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: to make ends meet, and you guys like, yeah, this
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: is amazing. What I find.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: What I find found really cringe with all that is
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of people would jump on social media.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Actors, like you know, working actors who just you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: only pick.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Up a bit part here and they're their background actors
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: or they have one line in Grays and Anatomy and
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. They would get on TikTok and Instagram
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: and things like that and they're like, oh, so here's
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: this stack of residual checks that I got, And they
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: would sit there and go, okay, so here's a show
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: that I did four years ago. I got three dolls.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I only got three dollars and fifty cents and residuals
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: for this, you know. But then by the time they
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: get up to these checks, they've out of nowhere for nothing.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: They've just got picked up an extra three hundred bucks.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I designed kitchens for a living I
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: don't expect if I if I designed your kitchen, I
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: don't expect every time you cook something in it, I
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: get I get flicked two bucks. Or if you sell
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: your house and you make twenty grand more on it
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: because the kitchen that I designed for it, I don't
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: expect a cut of that. I don't get residuals on
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: my work that people can.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: You could have got that microwave to open the other way.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's that like, obviously everyone deserves a living wage,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: they deserve what do you call it, health benefits and
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But I just found the
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: idea of huven rights. Yeah, I just found the idea
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: of belittling like your residuals and stuff that you got.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I was just like, you just keep that little bit. Yeah,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: that's something you can just keep to yourself, and just
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: that can be an in industry thing. Like I've never
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: had a conversation with Lincoln about any any residual checks
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: he gets in the mail or anything like that. He
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: never comes to us and says, oh, look, I only
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: got a check for a dollar fifty you know.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: What I mean?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. And sometimes they'll you know, come at
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: a really good time for link where he'll just get
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a check for something that he made, you know, one
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: hundred years ago, and it's not a lot of money
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: because you know, he wasn't might not have had a
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: bigger role in something so long ago. But it will
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, yeah, well here's here's the you know,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the the the annual or the whatever check for that.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, that's handy, because I.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Love to get a check of them out for two
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: hundred bucks every eight months.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Oh awesome. Sick. Yeah, I feel bad, like because I
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: do like Joe and Paul because they still give, especially
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Joe malots, he gives a lot so involved, gives a
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: lot back to the fanom. Even recently he's doing his
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: tweets and he's giving a lot of back behind the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: scenes stuff which is incredible to read as a fan
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: and you're like, I've never heard this after twenty years.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It's like there was a vault that had a lock
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: on it for fifteen years and finally it's been open
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, how is all this coming out now?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: That's seemingly fresh, Like he's not sharing it going I know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: this is the tenth time I've shown you this photo,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I've told you this story, and people eating it up
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: because it's great.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And it's not like it's stuff that was saved digitally.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: It's all like old school stuff from back in the day.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Now, give a shoe box full of photos that I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: took in a polaroid and he's that, you know, I'll
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: tell you the story about it's really really cool.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like so I don't want to bring it down,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: but I just just play this one for me. Mitch
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: and fan favorite, our favorite, Gary Jones. This just felt,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you know how like we always give Cooper bitership, but
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: he's like I went down to the floor, you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: to speak to the speak to the peasants, the actors
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. This is I'm telling a story
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: about Gary Jones.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: Which is funny. We worked on the show for so
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: many years and I never really.
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah, sat down or over talked to Gary Jones until
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: the Comic Con last year, where he hosted our panel
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: and uh and not retrospect. Maybe you should have run
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: some of the questions by us before asking them, you
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: know that aside, I had a really good time with
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: Gary in San Diego.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: Very nice guy.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the improv president, Gary Jones. He's going to run
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: questions by you.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: He's an improv genius. Yeah. Gary Jones probably didn't even
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: have any Gary Jones the talent of this show.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: He's banana in the sink guy.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean John Paul better, not better
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: than Winn of Opportunity. But they have written good ones.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I was actually shocked to find out that they wrote
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: most of the Earth based ones, which is the ones
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: that I dislike the most because I'm like, we've got
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: a stargate, go to a different planet.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I mean the fact that how much of a running
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: joker became doing this podcast along the way. Absolutely we'd
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: see their names pop up at the start, go oh,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I guess we're not getting off Earth.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Like, but they were attached to the show for so long,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and I have the respect for them even if I
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: didn't because of watching the show, I've got like current
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: day respect for what I see on Twitter and the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: stories they shared on and then I apply that to
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: watching an episode that's twenty years old, and I'm like, oh, actually,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I know I'm in good hands here, like they've.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Always been good to us actually on social media and stuff. Yeah, absolutely,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: yea the great Yeah.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't want to shoot and say the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: whole people.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying no. You can imagine how toxic it
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: would be, and it'd be very disheartening losing a job
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: like that where you're like, come on, we could yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: But I guess they get they got to go to
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Atlantis and then they do Universe, I believe. So I
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: think I think most of the sort of creative team
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: went over to to Universe.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: See I was gonna say, when you're on the sci
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Fi Network and your eureka, Yeah, and you're a show
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that's been going for as long and was clearly popular
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: for a long time, with great cast that had been
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: around for so long as well, that you can't not
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: feel untouchable. But I guess every year there for four
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: or five years, they thought they were getting canceled.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: So I guess that's what I mean.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: This is technically the third time the show's been canceled.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: You know, it was canceled after season five on Showtime
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: and then sci Fi picked it up, and then and
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: then season eight they finished the show.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Do you believe if they just did cancel, we wouldn't
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: have got season seven?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: But then also it's like the franchise is still going,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Like even with SG one ending, Atlantis is still there.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: You can tell that.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: You know, there's some burnout going on with everyone being
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: stretched too thin over two shows, so it will one
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: would have been good to consolidate just on one show,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: but for me, four and five of Atlanta are some
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: of the weakest Stargate we get. But then also they
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: get another show after that in Universe, so it's like.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they worked for another five years. Yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Has there been much of it? Like, I mean, I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: guess the fact that when I say we more so
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you two guys, because you have so much more in
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: depth with this does stuff and knowledgeable than I am.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But has there been much of a tell all? I
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: would say no because of the way we're still speculating,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: but in the way of like what happened and how
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: it all played out with that sort of stuff, because
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like, had they have had the foresight anything bad,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: they would have said back then they had the foresight
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that hey, we're going to be in a streaming age
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: in like five.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Years, this coming.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: No, I know that's mean, but like here had they
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: have because if you knew that this is where the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: where entertainment world was going, you'd be like, I'm not
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: saying anything because I mean, the sky is the limit
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: with the streaming world, you know, like they're just green
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: lighting everything or you know, even if it's set, you know, whereas.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: That I shouldn't be saying, yeah, I don't know.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I like because now you think that like they're still
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: keeping it alive now because there is still there's the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: push every couple of months from the fans to jump
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: on Instagram, jump on Twitter and punch out this hashtag
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and show MGM or our Amazon that we really want
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: this show and how we want it. We want a continuation,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: we don't want a clean reboot or anything like that.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: So the like on the knowing what happened behind the scenes.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I think Brad right, I've seen some interviews where he's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: just very fortless. The numbers weren't there, you know, there
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: was changes at the studio. They want as big advocates
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: for the show.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: And that was it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: And Brad's very matter of fact about it.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: He's like, that's just what happens.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: What I will put a pin in that I think
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: had a lot to do with it is a lot
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: of the behind the scenes stuff that happens over the
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: next maybe two seasons. I don't want to give things away,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: but just some some changes and some shifts and things
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: like that I think affected the show as a whole
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: for the viewers. I think it was too much change
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and we kind of lost that stability that we had
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: for a long time, and I think it put viewers
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: off a little bit, and I think that might be
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: why the numbers dropped. But yeah, we'll have to get
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: into that sort of season.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: This episode had a lot to do with this season.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, I just I mean some more like season season.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: The end of season three of Atlantis. Season four of
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Atlantis and then rolling into season five, I think.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Was season four's peak. For me.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: It was a time of great change that I think, yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: we'll have to address at a later date. Just to
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: not spoil anything for you, Okay, but I guess we
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: should talk about this episode rather than that.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Nearly half an hour and this is like this is
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: this This feels like it's a special episode, Like, you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: this feels like something we might be doing once we're
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: done with all episodes of Stargate, just sort of reflecting
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: on the show. But whether that's because of this episode,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: which you know, I'm getting to the end of this
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: episode watching it, I'm sure the fact that Fred Willard
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: is in it, I feel like I've got some memory
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: of it because you know, this would have been a
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: couple of years, you know, after Anchor Man, I would
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: have seen him through watching Everybody Loves Raymond. I just
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: see this guy and I go, I know, I'm gonna
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: have a good time with this guy. He's so much
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: fun and I like to think that he is exactly
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: like that off camera.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Well, this role was written for him. Yeah, he expressed
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: some interest that he was interested in some kind of
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: he liked the show. He's interested in doing something next
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: season for sure, specifically for him.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And we get to the to the end of
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the episode and he's out in the woods and then
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you know, whether they've just taken care of the Jafa
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that are out there or whatever's going on, and I'm
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: just listening to the dialogue looking at the blocking and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: just maybe the way that it's maybe the way that
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: it's shot, I don't know, not even just there's something
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: about it or I was just like, man, if you
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: just plucked this episode and watched it back to back
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: with something from season three, he'd be like, oh man,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: this show is.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And this is the Delaese episode as well Delawise episode.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: But I think this started at that museum planet that
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: we went to.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: It's just like weird, oh bad guys, Yeah, just odd
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: and touch Like I was saying two weeks ago, weird
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: that this is kind of the part two of.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Italian with how violent, yeah, violent and.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Serious that episode was, and this is now the repercussion
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: of of all those bombs that Vinnie Jones left on
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: the planet.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And yeah, like part of the who cares there because
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: that could towards the end of that episode was hey,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Khan is warning us there's this threat coming and he
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: knows how to stop it until going he might be
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the one behind It's like, well probably, but we can't
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: take that chance. He admits to being the one behind it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: At the end of that episode, he gets killed. That's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the end of that storyline. Now you can just as
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: easy in this episode, pick it up and go, hey,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: well those plans are still in place. He's still got
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: people that were working for him, and they're still got
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the next in line is just going to take charge
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and still come after the Tai. Yeah, both work, but
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: when it doesn't have to continue, we're just sort of
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: throwing this in as a means to get Varla's dad involved.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: It's like he could have been part of this story
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: for a thousand different reasons.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a lot of reasons I don't like it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: One of them is, like we we mentioned last week
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: in Italian that or the week before the last episode
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: of s U one Italian where Tilk was like adamant
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: that he wants to kill Arkon, and General Laundry is saying,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: we're not just going to do that just on a
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: whim of someone we don't know yet. In this episode,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: they take the Daedalus or whichever is that the only
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: one the Odyssey is alive still, Okay, the command is not.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: This is the new colonel we meet in the episode
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: this episode, Colonel Davidson, after the last colonel.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Was killed in the Auri attack.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: No, No, the the Lucian lines Episode's Yeah, because this
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: is he hasn't had a commanded one that survived the Areo.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think the landry says that we're not
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: going to go to the planet. We're not going to
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: fight go after arcade because of minimum intel. Yet the
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: guy that gives them the intel for this planet where
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: the where the so called Nakuta and the cargo ships are,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: was given to us by Varala's father, the dodgiest character
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: in SG one her father, and she's saying he's dodgy,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: don't trust him. And then they fly to the planet
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: and they're going, oh, they're moving. They shoot the fuck
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: out of the planet and there's a secondary explosion. I'm like,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: you just shot that planet with basically zero intel.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And on top of all of that, there's then a
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: three week time jump and Jasic has been living on
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: his own unsuper.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: In the laundry village.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Let vala live off base. TILK hasn't been like seven
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: years three weeks off. Yeah, it was put in I'm
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: going took him seven years.
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I was worried.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Jacob going on because I cakeb sorry, because like all
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: of a sudden he's there going, oh, I run a
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: bingo thing like that's so weird that he would even
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: like that. They call it Bingo and whatever his planet is.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, I do it every Tuesday and Thursday.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, how long have you been? Wait?
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: What? Like, didn't you just get here like the entry fee? Yeah, yeah,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: he said was funny, but it was just in a weird,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: odd place like scams.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I think that is the perfect wrap up for this
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: entire episode is it's a lot of interesting things, just
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: weirdly placed. So the I think the biggest shell shock
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I got was the opening scene and what it feels
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: like to me, and I mentioned it maybe two weeks ago.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: It's like when when men right what they think women
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: do when men aren't around? Basically, if any if you
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: want to press play on that on thepisode right now
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: for that scene. This is what I hear.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Chappelle Dave Chappelle in the clumps. That's hilarious.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: They do.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: We need, we need, we.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Need the two vaginas on the show to have some
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: kind of bonding experience.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: What can they do? The dialogue is awful.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Now, Carter, who is someone we've known for ten years.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: What do we see her doing in her off time?
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Remember back in season three when she was in a
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: leather jacket and jeans fixing a Harley you know, you
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: know laser working on an Oregon lazer.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: She is a character you would have to force to
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: get into to address you know, you're going to meet
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the president, you're gonna have like.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: She would wear her formal Air Force So not even.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, not even the presents about because you wouldrobably
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: be wearing Air Force stuff. But like, if you're going
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to a like you're going to speak at a dinner
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: or something where it's a little bit less military, should.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Be that revealing.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't have problem note because I.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Think I don't have problem with it either. I'm just
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: saying no, I.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Did read or members in the commentary Claudia Black and
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: a Mana Tapping.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Chose their own outfits. Those are outfits that they chose
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: that they felt comfortable in. Yeah, but that's not correct.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's a little too much Amanda getting into
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Carter And again, I have no problem with Carter by
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and girly.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: She's a girl, she can be girl.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: If the issue I had is it came out of
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: left field and just where you know, three episodes from
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: the end of the show and suddenly Carter's like girls
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: trip shopping.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: What did they say, manicures, many patties and something drink.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: It was manicures, some kind of drink and the Toory's Secret.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like that stuff I would I buy
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: for Vala because we know that she's very materialistic, she
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: loves out.
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: Well, yes, if I'm going to integrate into Earth society,
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: we thought it was very important that I immersed myself
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: in the local cultural offerings.
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: And by cultural offerings you mean petticurescinos and Victoria's secreto crapo.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: The book.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: No, I would get at. I would get it if
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I think it was just handled wrongly and the like
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I would get it if like those are things that
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Varla found out about and she's like, okay, Sam, we
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: have to go please take Yeah, these are the lists
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: that things that Yeah, but I would feel like hard
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: do we go? No, that's not Let's let's go get
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: a state, let's go jacket, Let's go to a museum
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: and you know, learn some ship because I'm a scient
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Even when they went out and when they had the
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: gauntlets member and they jumped the fans wearing leather jackets
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: eating steaks and getting into fist fight.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I have no problem with you know,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Carter showing her feminine side.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: It just it just fell out of place.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: And but I mean if if a man of Tapping
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and Claudia Black like Feltsmith, I mean, because you know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: we are thinking it's two thousand and seven, they might
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: have found it really empowering to just be like, oh
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: my god, I can finally show my femininity and I
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: have to hide it in these uniforms everyone else whears.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: So if they got something out of it that way,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: that's fantastic. I just think the writing for them could
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: have been.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: A little better to showcase it. And Cam did not
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: look anywhere inappropriately.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Even if you do that, fantastic, But it was like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: so what like and then they kind of bring I
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: didn't mind the scenes later on, but it's like all
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: they basically think that the way that and Varla bond
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: apparently they just bond because they're both they're the only
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: two on the basis besides the lamb that Vaginas apparently
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: is shopping.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Get it?
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: What's that life formngos? Get it?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Get in loser.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: We're going shopping that's that's yeah, it would be on
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Wednesdays we were pink, that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Would be Varala get in Louser, We're going shopping and lamb.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: But I don't want to be anywhere.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Later on, when I don't want to be here and
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: to be there, Yeah, later on when like Sam, I don't.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Want to be alive anymore.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: But I don't want to be dead either. Yeah, I'm dead.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I'm lad death if stuck there forever. I've seen so
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: many people die, it's so cringe.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: But then the only other thing that the writers thought
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: that they would do to bond is like drink champagne
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: or wine or whatever they were drinking later on when
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: like when Sam brings in a bottle of wine and
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: a couple of glasses and they can just have girls
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: nu in and I'm just like, I'm like, I'm not.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't be surprised if there was like a deleted scene
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: or a yeah it was a pillow fight was next,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: because as it was like that audio that I played
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: before of Joe and Paul being a little bit icky.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: The issue they had is because Claudia Black, it was
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: her choice to put all those curlers in that in
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: that one scene she had with Landry.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I mean she's the quirky character.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she's done that kind of stuff before.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: So it's like, if you don't want to do that,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: go be the director. Don't be a writer, you know
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Or have have have writing in the
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: script that says she's doing you wrote it. You wrote
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: a scene where Landry goes and visits Varla in her quarters.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: It's very Claudia Black as an actress is going to go, Okay, well,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I'm still exploring this character. What does Varla do in
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: her downtime because we haven't explored that yet.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: So Claudia Black was the one that brought in okay,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: we I'm gonna be wearing this.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: We have curls in my hair because back in the Quest,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: she pulled a hair dryer out of her bag, which
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: was hilarious.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: So I found just because Landry felt guilty about his daughter,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: is trying to get her to Vala to get with
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: her dad and like that. You have no idea what
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: type of person this guy was, mate? What if he
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: was an abuser? Right?
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I one hundred percent forgot about Lamb's mother.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I always didn't because I was going to do that
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: dude wears my car bit and you said, no, they
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: actually have a conversation. Oh yeah.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean though, is when I saw I
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: always forget that it's this episode. I always expect it
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: for some reason, Like I was expecting it back at
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the start of season nine when we find out that
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Lamb is Landry's daughter. I always go, oh, that's right,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: her mum. We'll get to her mum. And it's two
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: seasons later and she just and turns out that woman's
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: never acted before in her life. The audio commentary, she's
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: a background extra worker. But they couldn't find anybody who
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: could act that looked like they would be Lexa doi mother.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Wow, so this is this first this is this woman's
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: first speaking role.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Did they get Lexidoi's actual mother?
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess she can't act. I guess that well,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: you know she can't act.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So surely menagine the pressure on Shanksy. It's like, hey,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: my mom, like you know, he's the mother in law.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Pressure. Yeah, I'll see what I can do.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I've gotta say I I typically check out
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: it at this episode about the twenty five minute mark.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: So by the time it gets to that whole big
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: sort of deal at the end, and the I mean,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I love the double cross where like Vala like leads
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Jasic to a different Yeah it was good, Like cargo
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: ship was really really good, but.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: It's devastating for her. She was right, yeah, well I'll
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: get to that.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: But the actual deal that Jason is, I don't know
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: who those Ja'afar are or where they were in terms
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: of who whether what part they were involved in with
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: kat I check out at that point.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: I'm just like that was on the right. Yeah, yeah,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: it was too.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Well, obviously the cargo we set up was ours, but
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: then the other one we had to that was one
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: that that arc had had put on Earth last week
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: to blow up.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: And we finally found.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: But it's like, well we found it at some point,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and rather than just taking it by force, we then
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: got our own clothes jumper and set that up ten
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: meters away from that without those other Jafar knowing, so
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: that we could then run this this play on Jasik.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: And the problem I have with that is when Vala
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: takes Jasik to the fake cargo ship and then he
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: says and they go to go in, He's like, oh no,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: it's rigged to blow. I'll go in and disarm it.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: You stay out here up, anyone in a ten mile
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: radius is dead. Yeah, you point it out before. There's
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: literally a scene earlier in this episode where we see
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: an explosion on the surface of a planet and the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: stars of the show comment about how much bigger it
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: was than they expected because it was a knack with
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: her enhanced explosion. If Varla stood outside that she doesn't
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: make any sense that Jasik, not knowing he's being played,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: would tell Varla stay outside while I disarm it, so
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: you'll be safe out here, because if it had gone off,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: she would have blown up.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: So just that part didn't make sense to me, which
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: was unfortunate because I did like the double cross, but
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: leaving her outside just made no sense.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: I've just felt for Varla because like as much as
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: I like the as much as I like Frank Willard,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: but Fred will I just can't read Varla's dad Jaysick
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: sometimes funny, but I hate him. I actually hate him.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: He's a piece of shit. I hate men that reject
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: their children, daughters especially, And it was just like there
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: was no they didn't wrap the story up. He just
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: left sold those potato chips to that idiot, and you've
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: got to remember that. And that's it. We never see
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: him again. It never gets closed out. Well, she's just devastated.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: She's keep all the trinkets in the box. She loves him,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: but he's just a piece of shit.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: And the production knew that the show was being canceled,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: so they weren't going to have an opportunity to bring
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Jason back, and that's how they actually chose to end it.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: That horrible light at the start where Jasic asks Vala
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: to remind him who her mother is, like, so he's, yeah,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: he's like, my mother was like, oh gross, so gross.
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: The other thing that actually really triggered me was actually
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: the cannon that they kind of I think they ruined
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: without even noticing it. Right, So you got so before
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: this episode, before this episode, we know that Varla was
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: a host to Gore well named Katsh we assume possibly
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: for hundreds of years.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, this is what I was thinking.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: And now and now it can't be that because he's
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: still there's still like an even age gap as father
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: and daughter so like. But in continuum we find out
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: that Vala was at least a host of world for
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: fifty years.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, okay, se coming in here and asking you guys,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: do we have a rough again? Sorry, three star? Do
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: we have a rough idea?
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Stars? Was the three Yeah? Yeah, he solid.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Constructive criticism was do we not only do we
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: have a rough idea? Did she ever? Do we ever
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: actually know how long?
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: The only thing they mentioned is Continuum, and it's kind
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: of with the fandom, they're not sure they reckon it
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: sounds like fifteen the credit in Continuum, but in the
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: captions captions it says fifty.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Wow somewhere because sometimes the captions do yeah, yeah, wow.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: But I never considered that. I've never thought of that ever.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that really irked me. Yeah, I was like, you
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: guys really.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Because that's that's the cooler, tragic part.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: That's the genesis of her tragedy. Yeah, so that that
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: to me, I was just the world that it's kind
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: of wow.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: And the fact that, yeah, like there's obviously they haven't
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: potentially they haven't spoken since she was free from Ktesh
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: even before that yet, does Jason even know that she
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: was was a prisoner in her own body and did
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: horrendous things at the hands of a game.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: She should be dead, like she should be older than
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: all of st One, older than Stargate Command itself. Yeah,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: that would be cool, you know what I mean, Maybe you're.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Right in that he you know, somewhere along he scamming days,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: he found a sarcophagus or something, you know, it was
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: keeping him at the age that he found it or
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: something like. That's very convenient. I get it. But like
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: that was the very first thing I thought of, too,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: was like, hang on a second, a host, Like was
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: she only a host for like five or ten years?
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: And yeah they put that together. Yeah yeah, wow crazy
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: because you know, as a host of Gold, you have
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: long life, you have a sarcophagust to get you over
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: the thousand year help.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, really does like less I guess it lessens
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: her gold trauma. And then just adds, yeah, go old
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: for a weekend. Yeah, she's like her and Carter just
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: both hosts to her. Yeah for a couple of days,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and then Milk both got in the quadry in their blood.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah wow.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the fact that Jason never even like spoke
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: about Katsh or anything like that.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: They just can shat the bed with this episode. Yeah,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: in more ways than we'd like to admit.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow that it really does make him a
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: piece of shit, doesn't it. And yeah, like he's like,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, they were going for like
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: an Ergo or to a lesser extent, a Lucius Love,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it's like Ergo ten out of ten, Lucious
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Love was loving and he wanted to be loyal. Yeah,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the guys are just funny in terms of.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, everything he did a piece of ship, but he
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: said it in a funny way with the music, sir,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: you laugh at Yeah.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And then Lucius Lovin not bad in his first one.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: His second visit was a too soon in a bit maah.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like diminishing returns. Now we have Fred
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Willard And yeah, I don't think any of it really hit,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: like the fact that, yeah, it doesn't make sense to
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: me that they would be three weeks.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: He's obviously been living.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Off world by himself on a government stipend, and he's
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: managing to like post ads on TV, selling startups and
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: and all that kind of ship so quick.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: It was kind of funny.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: But you're like, what it gets a book deal, And
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like, don't you have to have some kind of
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: history to get a booked it like it was a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: funny it until you think about it.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you need a what's what? It's that thing they
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: have that your social security He doesn't have a social
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Security number. He doesn't have he doesn't have a history anywhere.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have a birth certificate. Unless the unless the
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: military is like provided this fake documents that.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: They've got Jack two point zero, they've got Cassandra, they've
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: got this guy. They're all world earth livers.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: True, but they're all they were all miners. This is
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: a This is a sixty year old man just rocking
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: up with no history.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: No intel. We blew blew up a bunch of ships
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: we don't know who were on it. Shut off about blander,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: piece of dog ship. Wife left you.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't mind Tilk's advice, though, I offer you.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: A word of advice.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: Any input that would help me better myself would.
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: Be greatly appreciated.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Perhaps three words, be less annoying, classic to go yourself. Yeah.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I just feel like the last three episodes that we've
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: done in vest one, especially just in the correct place
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: in the incorrect place, and the caliber is the caliber
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: is just not there like where it should be at
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: the end of the entire series.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: And like Mitchell saying before, it's like this show has
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: ended like five times. Yeah, and there hasn't been a
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: dip like this in quality. You know when you look
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: at the end of season six, the end of season seven,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: the end of season eight. Yeah, most people, not just
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: not just the final episode, but the five or six
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: episodes leading up to it. There weren't any real stinkers
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: there through all that.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: And I don't remember it sucking this bad. Yeah, the problem.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: That's why I think that a lot of these I'm
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: new too. There was there might be at least three
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: maybe four episodes.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Well that wasn't good. Next maybe, yeah, and everyone remembers
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: unending Yes, yeah, can't.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: And what I remember. It's interesting you're talking about like
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the there's you know, controversy and the fandom, how they
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: feel about it or whatnot. And I can't wait to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: talk about it because I don't know that I know
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about, which is good because I've watched
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: it in one hundred years. But what I do know
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: about it when I think about it is that it's
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: just characters. It's just those handful of characters in one
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: place for the essentially the entire episode, and it's just
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: them talking to each other. It's like all this big
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: ship that's going on and new characters that we're introducing
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: like in here, and we're just duck in between planets
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: on gates or and chips whatever. No, No, we're just
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: going to go back to the core of what we
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: love about the show, and that's a couple of key
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: characters in a.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Weird situation into personal relationships.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're going to really explore that in a
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: very unique way that we kind of haven't ever really
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: done before.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I feel like Sunday, meaning the last Atlantis episode, we
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: got so much character development in one episode because they
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: had to time off and talk to talk each other.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: That was low budget. Yeah, and like the flames weren't real.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: It's completely CGI. Yeah, So it was like very low budget.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: It wasn't much CGI at all in that episode. It
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: was a great episode.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, we're talking about that Bad Guys
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: episode a few weeks ago and I said, this feels
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: like an adventure that would be happening all the time
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: between the missions that we do see. It's just we
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: don't see those ones because they're kind of inconsequential, and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: then you get something like Sunday and I'm like, I actually,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying just watching these guys interact with one
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: another about the most mundane ship.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Because they finally will they finally talk about all the
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: subtext stuff.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they start getting into the will they won't they?
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Of? I thought, Whereas we had been shopping and really
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: we didn't talk about it last week.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: But the acknowledgment of like of Rodney going, oh, Beckett
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: was my best friend and it wasn't until he was
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: gone that he realized it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Like, that's heartbreakingeah, especially because you imagine growing up and
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: not having any friends. Yeah, that happens a lot.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Something that occurred to me, Well, you were just saying
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: referencing Bad Guys, Mitchell Is. It made me realize, do
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: you know what Bad Guys was? Bad Guys was one
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: of the skits that they should have thrown to in
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: two hundred, but they ended up making a whole episode
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's what. Yeah, that's what it was, the rest of.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: The episode of Invisible O'Neill. You know, that's what Bad
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Guys was. It should have been a little throwaway minute
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: long bit.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Maybe it was they made a whole episode.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe they realized they had too many bits and they get, well,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: let's just keep the strongest ones and we'll make an
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: episode out of it. But it's no, no, no, that was
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: good because it was short, you know ones.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: We have to really blow this up.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Can we just okay, take this little idea, let's make
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: it die hard?
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, lame.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Imagine imagine throwing to throwing to the joke, and you
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: have that that the guard doing his die hard stuff,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: and it gets to Daniel.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Shut up, shut up, when you'd be like, what is
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: going on?
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: This is you know, but then we got the whole episode.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I don't want to I feel bad shooting on the
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: whole thing because it's not terror. There are some little
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: shining moments in it.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I giggled a few times, but like the fact that
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: that is freest He doesn't he doesn't turn around. It's
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: like nah, yeah, yeah, time spent. Yeah.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: There was no character growth because Varla didn't mature like
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: she she said from the very start of the episode
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: he's a piece of shit. And by the end of
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: this so she goes, oh, I've confirmed he's a piece
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: of shit. But she still has her little treasure chest,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: which is sweet but also very very unhealthy.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Ah, it's heartbreaking.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you know, we don't get any character
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: progression of Jasic. Daniel and Tilk and Cam are barely
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: in this.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They were kind of just they went to his
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: house and oh, one stage you asked us to come,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: did land Like I guess with that line that you
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: just play with. They go, Tilk is here to escort
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: you out.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, yeah, Tilk's here, Like this is
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the third last episode of his show, and we're sidelining
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Christopher Judge. I love Fred Willard put him aside. We're
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: sidelining Christopher Judge and Tilk for Jasic.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Tilk, frontline member of s G One Blood, kin to
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: all Jafar and potential leader of the Jafar Nation, is
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: working escort Dudy, escorting Jasic to the surface.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: He got own to tell him something.
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: We we do have to acknowledge the one kind of
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: shining hope in this episode that they said many many times.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: We just added it and thought it would get cut.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: We added it in the in the script and it
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: didn't get cut. That's what we shot it it didn't
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: get cut by the director we shot it. It didn't
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: get cut by Brad and Robert.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Didn't they just say why don't they follow the script? Yeah?
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: And then when they do they complain, Yeah.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: No, no, there they're just saying, like, we thought this would
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: get cut, it got shot. We thought the studio would
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: say no.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: But it ended up being broadcast.
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: My girlfriends and I talk about a lot of things,
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: they's just one topic we rarely discuss vaginas. And I
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: asked myself, why is that? Why don't we talk about vaginas?
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: Why are work and kids and holiday plans more acceptable
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: topics of conversation than our own vaginas? And I didn't
• 53:59
  Speaker 8: have an sir, so I took it upon myself to
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: find out. I started to talk about vaginas at work,
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: at home, sometimes even at fancy restaurants. Soon my friends
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: started to talk about vagina's as well, and it was
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: only a matter of time before it became a hot
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: conversation tic. No matter where I went, it was vagina, this, vagina, that, vagina, vagina, vagina.
• 54:21
  Speaker 11: Make It Naked forty four, forty five, forty six, forty seven,
• 54:27
  Speaker 11: forty eight seconds of the third last episode of SG one,
• 54:30
  Speaker 11: which like it's a funny bit, but it's crazy when
• 54:32
  Speaker 11: you go, we're here.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: For forty two minutes, and that was nearly one of them.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: And that of the third last episode, that was ten
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: percent of the episode that was he got the tickets
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: from Jason.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: From Jason the Virginia on the Virginia Dialogues is what
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: in the in the in the scene where Tilk is
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: escorting him out, he says, I've got two tickets to
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: the Virginia Dialogues.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Do you want it?
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Friday night?
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: So Tilk went think that he had a ticket to
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Virginia Dialogues and ended up sitting through the Johnny.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: That's why I think that I maybe I haven't ever
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: seen this episode because only a few months ago, one
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: of you guys sent it onto our chat, that clip,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm there.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Because we spoke about it years ago, because we couldn't
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: wait for Reese to see it.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, years and years years ago. See whether he's actually
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: seen it.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But and maybe we send it on a couple
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: of times then, because every time I see it, I
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: go that I don't know that this seamless editing, because
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: it makes it look like that's from Starcake, Like that
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: just makes it look like was in a room where
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: that happened. I don't know who's made this up, but
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: that looks really good. I can't like, obviously it's not real,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: but it looks so seamless, and then you see it,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: you're like, holy shit.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: Although it is interesting if you look at the blocking
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: of it, though.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Jason had two tickets to the Virginia Dialogues tilks that
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: down and there was a guest on either side of it,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: so one one person, either the person he looked at
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: or the woman on the other side. Jason must have
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: given a ticket to that person sold it.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that would have been I mean, that would
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: make it funny, surely, depending on the look that someone
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: one of those extras gives him.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: He was there with Carter. I wish it was one
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: of the old bingo ladies, That's what I would it
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: would have been. Or camp Oh.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, given the broken given that he did oh that
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: was another thing that given broken, they didn't like the
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: side of the joke that it was too much.
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: Did no.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: That was something that Peter del Is put in.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: So he's awkward because he sees yeah, yeah, in some.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Civil cities and he goes and runs in the closet,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: not an euphimism, and and it ends up at the
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Vigia dialogues would be it would be good. Actually we
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: want to point out to it is just on tilk
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: when after the whole double crosses done, like after she's
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: like zaddered him and Valley goes back and like rolls
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: him over and goes to pull him up. You see
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: kind of like grabbing his head like recovering from the
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: zat and you can clearly see his tattoo wedding ring
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: bright as day. Yeah yeah, and then I guess, uh,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: to end it on the downer, I just had one.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: More grab of It wasn't too many highlights of Joe
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: and Paul.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I probably should have ended on the John of monologues,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: but I just had one more bit of Joe and
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Paul making me feel icky in the audio commentary.
• 57:30
  Speaker 9: I also love the way a lot of bounty hunters,
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: aliens bounder hunters in particular wear.
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: A lot of the leather. Yeah yeah, and you would
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: think that if you're.
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: Doing a lot of running and shooting leather, you know,
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: it doesn't mean you breathe as well as let's say
• 57:45
  Speaker 9: other type of material that you know, yeah, but more suitable.
• 57:48
  Speaker 10: Nothing says alien bounder Hunter like a nice leather trench coat.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: True.
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: True. Oh and that is supposed to be Tilk of course.
• 57:58
  Speaker 9: Well you're not supposed to. You just gave it away.
• 58:00
  Speaker 9: I presumab they've seen this episode. They're not just watching
• 58:02
  Speaker 9: it with the commentary.
• 58:03
  Speaker 10: And you didn't want to talk about the end before.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: The Girls of fighting, the Girls of Fighting.
• 58:08
  Speaker 10: I remember, I am doubting that that was actually Chris
• 58:10
  Speaker 10: who I remember.
• 58:12
  Speaker 9: At the meeting, I said, to pull this off, we
• 58:15
  Speaker 9: have to believe that that's you know, Tilk, And they said, okay,
• 58:19
  Speaker 9: well what we'll do put the skull cap on and
• 58:22
  Speaker 9: then we'll remove the skull cap and you know, sort
• 58:24
  Speaker 9: of to.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: Hide the fact.
• 58:25
  Speaker 9: But I don't know the fact that he's half a
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: foot shorter than Tilk and you know, his hair is
• 58:34
  Speaker 9: maybe five inches longer.
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: I didn't notice. I think you did look fine to me.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: So they've shipped on the costumers. They've shipped on, like
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: their executive producers have been on the show since season four,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: and suddenly now they're like, oh, what a Bounty Hunters
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: were black leather, it's your show.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I did not never liked that that
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: they would just they've done that so much for these
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: last two seasons, dressed in like leather trench coats and
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: weird costumes. But guess what's wrong with the SGC uniform
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: you've been wearing for seven eight years?
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Like, well, you you write the show, guys, If you
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: don't want them in people in leather, don't put them
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: in leather. So they've shot on the costumers, they've shot
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: on casting, you know, they shoot on hair and makeup,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: just like really, guys that it just felt like they
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: were punching down in very much a Cooper way.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't great. Yeah, I like the extra scene
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: of Landry and his wife.
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: We met the nicest boy in the cabin next to ours.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: He's not very ugly. You should marry him or at
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: least use him to conceive a gun child for us.
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: There he is at the buffet.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Come on, it must tick futurama. Oh, I know that's
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: the Wongs. That's the Wong family and there's Wong. I
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: thought it was going to be a grab. The most
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: random thing I wasn't play was gon. I mean, well,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna be the dude, where's my
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: car ordering Chinese nod? I ran out of town.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, that was that was family ties right.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Always said that you can shutting him all the.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Soup and the fortune cookies and that's it, lambshank, and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: then uh, you can put it in a brown paper
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: bag and come put it in my hand because I'm
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: ready to eat. I refuse to play your Chinese food
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: mine games.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 10: And then then no, then no no, and then.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: You can me off lead and then I'm gonna come
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: in there and I'm gonna put my foot.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: In your wrass and you.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Say and then again stupid racist. So it's one of
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: the I still reckon.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: That was one of the top like cinematic viewings of
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: my teenage years. Yeah, the massive group of friends we
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: went with, and it would have been like I can
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: find absolutely sorry guys, but like like in fact that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: whoever wrote that, I don't know, it's Ashton coolt to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: show Willom Scott. It was like it was designed for
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: a twelve to fifteen year old audience.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: It was literally designed for it was ironically though, the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: one scene that you two kept recreating was the scene
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: where those two make.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Out Sweet dude, sweetweet.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: I mean yes we did.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did the one where the swallows the pop
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: the ice cream hole.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: It just pulls out the bare stick.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Get into geek wipe.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: See.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: I like it when you put the bleeps in and
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: everyone's like whoa, yeah, really bad. Burn the studio down.