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WEALTHY UTAH MOM MAKES 'BIG PURCHASE' AFTER SPECIAL OPS HUBBY DISAPPEARS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Why exactly why does a gorgeous and wealthy Utah mom
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Speaker 2: make a big purchase right after her special Ops hubby
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Speaker 2: seemingly disappears into thin air. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Trouble is
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Speaker 2: unfolding in the quiet suburbs of Salt Lake City. US
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Speaker 2: National Guard soldier Matthew Johnson hasn't shown up for work
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Speaker 2: and his kids haven't heard from him for days. Where
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Speaker 2: is Matthew Johnson?
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Speaker 3: The day Matthew Johnson is set to return to work,
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Speaker 3: Jennifer glad Hill reports her husband missing. He should have
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Speaker 3: been home from base hours ago and his phone is
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Speaker 3: going straight to voicemail. As it turns out, Johnson never
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Speaker 3: showed up to work that morning either. Jennifer says she
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Speaker 3: last saw her husband pulling out of the driveway.
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Speaker 2: Neighbors confirm they saw the husband's truck in the driveway.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of conflicting evidence in this case, but
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Speaker 2: bottom line, where is this husband? A father, A special
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Speaker 2: Ops officer? Joining me an all star panel to make
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Speaker 2: sense of what we know? Right now as we go
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Speaker 2: to air, he is still missing again with me an
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Speaker 2: all star panel. But first I want to go straight
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Speaker 2: out to Jennifer Skowski joining us, investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer, thank you for being with us. This is some
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Speaker 1: ritzy area where he goes missing. Correct, tell me about it.
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Speaker 4: Cottonwood Heights, Utah is located just about sixteen miles away
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Speaker 4: from Salt Lake City. They lived in an extremely wealthy neighborhood,
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Speaker 4: a million dollar home. It's very uppity. I mean something
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Speaker 4: where somewhere that you would never expect something like what
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Speaker 4: is unfolding to happen.
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Speaker 2: There is a massive search for the victim in this case.
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Speaker 2: Matthew Johnson. Of course, when you've got a dad with
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Speaker 2: a huge house note three children, and every picture I
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Speaker 2: see of them, they're all wearing designer clothes, They're driving
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Speaker 2: fancy cars, the whole shebang.
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Speaker 1: Joining me.
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Speaker 2: Raymond Judice, high profile lawyer out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: Raymond. Very often when a guy goes missing.
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Speaker 2: Like this, you know, they say, well, I'm gonna go
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Speaker 2: get a loaf of bread and they never come back.
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Speaker 1: They just start a new life.
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Speaker 2: And this guy is a special ops Okay, he knows
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Speaker 2: how to disappear.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he just got sick of her and paying for
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Speaker 1: that huge. If you've seen the house, it's huge, and
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Speaker 1: they've got that.
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Speaker 2: He's got the wife, the designer clothes, the fancy cars,
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Speaker 2: the pool, the works, and you know, sometimes people just
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Speaker 2: take a power and leave Nancy.
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Speaker 5: Back in the seventies is a book called Run, Rabid Run,
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Speaker 5: and that was exactly the premise. Too much pressure, too
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Speaker 5: many car notes, too much house notes, taxes, insurance, go
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Speaker 5: to work every day, chopwood on the weekend, taking the
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Speaker 5: kids to soccer, and this guy just says, that's enough.
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Speaker 6: Hey, I'll be back.
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Speaker 5: As you said, I'm going to go to them, to
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Speaker 5: the quickie market and get a loaf of bread. And
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Speaker 5: he just keeps running. That's not unusual. It's not unusual
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Speaker 5: on post COVID. I think we all look back on
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Speaker 5: the pressures that we're all under to obtain, you know,
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Speaker 5: the brass ring of life, when maybe living simply might
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Speaker 5: be better.
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Speaker 2: You know. Sergeant Gary Young is joining us special guest
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Speaker 2: today out of Cottonwood Heights, Utah. He is a sergeant
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Speaker 2: there in the Cottonwood Heights Police Department. Sergeant Young, I've
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Speaker 2: got so many questions for you. But when we're saying
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Speaker 2: deadbeat dad. I mean I'd be running a one hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty person arraignment calendar, allies, of course, and there
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Speaker 2: would be.
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Speaker 1: A huge throng of people in the hall. Who were they?
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Speaker 1: They would be.
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Speaker 2: The second wave of defendants coming in for deadbeat Dad.
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Speaker 1: There'd be just as many of.
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Speaker 2: Them as there were of criminal defendants, criminals, murders, rapists,
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Speaker 2: child molesters, arstists, the works, drug lords.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, who are those guys?
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Speaker 2: Are they on the calendar? If so, they need to
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Speaker 2: be in the courtroom. I'm going to bond for fit them.
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Speaker 2: And they're like, no, no, no, they're all the deadbeat dads.
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Speaker 2: So when you get a dad that goes missing, my
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Speaker 2: first thought would be dead beat agree or disagree?
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Speaker 1: Sergeant Yeah, I would, I would.
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Speaker 7: I would think that that would be the easiest explanation.
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Speaker 7: If you know, if someone just disappeared off the radar,
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Speaker 7: you know, are they trying to escape something, are they
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Speaker 7: having a stressful life, are they going to go commit suicide?
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Speaker 7: You know, who knows what would lead someone to go
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Speaker 7: off the radar and originally on.
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Speaker 2: Hold on, Sergeant Gary Young, wait a minute, suicide, Wait
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Speaker 2: a minute, I find it much more often that the
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Speaker 2: deadbeat dad leaves for his younger girlfriend. Okay, he's commit suicide.
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Speaker 2: He's dumping the family and the wife and the house
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Speaker 2: and the payment and the cars and the college funds
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Speaker 2: and the braces and the holes shebang from his thing.
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Speaker 2: That is what I would immediately think. I would immediately think, oh,
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Speaker 2: he's killed himself. Men leave home every day, thousands of
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Speaker 2: them a day, and typically, yeah, I know, women leave too,
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Speaker 2: but typically the woman is left behind to raise the children,
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Speaker 2: pay the bills, and somehow cobble it all back together again.
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Speaker 2: So in this case, when you first hear he's gone,
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Speaker 2: did you immediately think suicide, left the country.
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Speaker 1: What was your immediate thought?
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Speaker 2: Did you ever eat consider he just got tired of
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Speaker 2: paying all the bills.
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Speaker 7: My original thought was that he is taking a break.
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Speaker 7: I'm not sure how much stress he's going under. I
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Speaker 7: thought he was just kind of going off the radar
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Speaker 7: and we'd find him coming back in a few days,
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Speaker 7: you know, a week at the most that he would
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Speaker 7: be coming back.
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Speaker 2: Okay, sergeant, you do know I'm a crime victim and
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Speaker 2: a former felony prosecutor and a fed before that, I'm
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Speaker 2: on your side.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but here comes the rest of that sentence. Taking
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Speaker 1: a break? How what huh? Taking a break from your family?
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Speaker 1: What does take a break mein, Sergeant Gary Young.
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Speaker 7: Well, in your context, I was sane escaping his situation.
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Speaker 7: That's what I referred to as taking a break. I
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Speaker 7: assumed that we would find him, you know, returning back
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Speaker 7: home again. You indicated that he's he's escaping or felony abandonment.
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Speaker 7: There were no indications that he was that type of
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Speaker 7: person and he would just abandon his family. Now he's missing.
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Speaker 7: He was reported as missing, and you know, we put
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Speaker 7: out a press release asking for the public's help to
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Speaker 7: identify him, look for his truck. You know, if anyone
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Speaker 7: has contact with him to police have him return so
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Speaker 7: we could close out the missing persons and reunit him
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Speaker 7: with his family. To tell you the truth, I didn't
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Speaker 7: think about feeling abandonment when we took this call.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad to hear what you just said.
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Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young is a special guest with us today.
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Speaker 2: He is a sergeant in the Cottonwood Heights PD. So
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Speaker 2: you're telling me he had no history of taking breaks,
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Speaker 2: as you euphemistically put it. No history of that, no
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Speaker 2: history of not supporting his children ever, nothing like that
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Speaker 2: in this guy's history. Matthew Johnson correct, correct, Okay, that
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Speaker 2: puts things in an entirely different light.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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Speaker 3: As Cottonwood Heights Police continue their exhaustive search for Matthew Johnson,
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Speaker 3: a call goes out for the public's help in finding
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Speaker 3: not only Matthew Johnson, but his truck. Matthew is described
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Speaker 3: as standing five foot nine, weigh one hundred and seventy
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Speaker 3: eight pounds. He has blue eyes and a shaped head.
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Speaker 3: Johnson drives a maroon dodged fifteen hundred pick up.
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Speaker 2: Okay, what does he need a fifteen hundred, Sergeant Young, Well, we're.
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Speaker 7: In a I have a pickup truck myself. We're in
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Speaker 7: we're in the West, and pickup trucks are a very
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Speaker 7: good utility vehicle. You can go camping with them, you
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Speaker 7: can drive in luxury. You know, they seat five to
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Speaker 7: six people, and they're prebvioucent trucks. And when you think
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Speaker 7: about pickups, the fifteen hundred is the lower end of
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Speaker 7: the pickup class. So I think it's a good family vehicle.
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Speaker 7: It's just what a you know, a strapping young man
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Speaker 7: like Matthew Johnson would drive. Would be a pickup truck.
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Speaker 7: That's my deal truck.
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Speaker 2: I was just wondering because I thought a Dodge fifteen
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Speaker 2: hundred was heavy duty.
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Speaker 1: He is special Ops?
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Speaker 2: What exactly does that mean in this scenario? Why was
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Speaker 2: he special ops? What does that entail for him?
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Speaker 7: He received training and I guess he was deployed, you know,
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Speaker 7: several times overseas on the warrant.
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Speaker 2: Terror Sergeant Young question, what did you put in your
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Speaker 2: plate to the public?
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Speaker 7: I asked our local affiliates in the press if they
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Speaker 7: would broadcast out that we're looking for a missing persons
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Speaker 7: for Matthew Johnson. I put out his description where he's
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Speaker 7: lasting at the time frame, and then what you know,
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Speaker 7: a recent photo and his picture of his truck, and
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Speaker 7: then asked for the public's assistance if they've seen him
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Speaker 7: or his truck, or maybe he has a friend that
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Speaker 7: is in contact with him and will be able to
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Speaker 7: come forward, and we would like to resolve that missing
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Speaker 7: person's we'd like to make it a fen person case.
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Speaker 7: So that's the information.
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Speaker 2: About crime stories with Nancy Gray. When was the last
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Speaker 2: time this loving husband and father had been seen alive.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 8: The last time Matthew Johnson is seen by someone other
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Speaker 8: than Jennifer Gledhill is three days before he's reported missing,
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Speaker 8: at a neighborhood gas station. Neighbors say they remember seeing
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Speaker 8: Johnson's truck in the driveway. The next day, Johnson's communications,
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Speaker 8: even with his children stop entirely.
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Speaker 1: We're hearing a.
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Speaker 2: Lot about the truck, Isn't it true, Sergeant Gary Young,
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Speaker 2: that when you're looking for missing person, you're also looking
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Speaker 2: for their vehicle.
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Speaker 7: Yes, no, I was saying, yes, that's how they get
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Speaker 7: to and from work, that they go about their daily
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Speaker 7: lives and pursuits as they drive their personal vehicle, and
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Speaker 7: so ideally he would be with his vehicle.
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Speaker 2: We just saw the same scenario in the case of
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Speaker 2: two missing moms on their way to take children to
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Speaker 2: a birthday party.
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Speaker 1: There was an all out search.
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Speaker 2: For them until their vehicle was found on a remote
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Speaker 2: country road with a pool of blood.
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Speaker 1: Nearby a glass from the window.
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Speaker 2: Their bodies later found stuffed into an ice chest and
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Speaker 2: buried in a cow pasture, deep deeply buried, and then
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Speaker 2: covered with dirt and chunks of cement. What crack that case?
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Speaker 2: The discovery of the car in this case.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 3: Ten days after Matthew Johnson is reported missing, his truck
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Speaker 3: is finally recovered. It's parked on the street, not even
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Speaker 3: a mile from his million dollar home. The truck is
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Speaker 3: locked with gas in the tank. Inside the truck, nothing
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Speaker 3: appears out of the ordinary, but cops do not find
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Speaker 3: any more of Matthew's belongings. Investigators begin processing the truck
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Speaker 3: for any evidence that would explain what happened to Johnson.
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Speaker 3: Neighbors say they last saw the truck on the day
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Speaker 3: Johnson went missing.
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Speaker 1: Very curious.
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Speaker 2: None of his belongings in his truck. Wouldn't you expect something?
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Speaker 2: I mean, when you look in our minivan, you will
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Speaker 2: probably find its belonging to the twins. You will find
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Speaker 2: dog treats, you will find old cups of tea, and
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Speaker 2: there are all sorts of indications that somebody has just
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Speaker 2: driven the truck. So Sergeant Gary Young joining us sergeant
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Speaker 2: with the Cottonwood Heights PD on the case of a
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Speaker 2: missing husband and father. When you find a truck about
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Speaker 2: a mile away from their million dollar home, there's nothing
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Speaker 2: in there that belongs to him.
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Speaker 7: There was nothing in there that an indicator that he'd
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Speaker 7: been sleeping in his car or living in his car,
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Speaker 7: and I have to correct that statement. It was about
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Speaker 7: block and a half, almost two blocks away from his
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Speaker 7: house where the vehicle was located, and that aroused our suspicion.
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Speaker 2: And I'm very curious, Sergeant Young, it's that close to
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Speaker 2: the home, Why did it take so long to find it?
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Speaker 7: The way it's it's positioned on the on the roadway.
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Speaker 7: It's a cul de sac or a dead end street.
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Speaker 7: There's not a lot of traffic volume in there, and
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Speaker 7: it was just parked in front of that, you know,
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Speaker 7: in a residential neighborhood, in a cul de sac or
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Speaker 7: a dead end and so we didn't find that vehicle
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Speaker 7: for several days.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Toby Woolson. He's a forensic biologist.
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Speaker 2: He's a bloodstained pattern analyst and No Slow Forensic Consultation
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Speaker 2: formerly with Miami DADPD. Can I tell you never a
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Speaker 2: lack of business for a forensics expert at Miami Day Okay.
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Speaker 2: You can find him at no Slow Forensic dot com.
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Speaker 2: And he is an author of a book coming out
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Speaker 2: December thirteen, which is on my must read list.
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Speaker 1: I don't say that very often.
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Speaker 2: Toby called handbook a blood stain pattern Analysis. Now that's
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Speaker 2: going to be some good reading, Toby Handbook a blood
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Speaker 2: Stained Pattern Analysis.
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Speaker 1: But what I want to talk to you about right.
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Speaker 2: Now, in a lot of your experience with the Departments
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Speaker 2: Forensic Services Bureau at Miami Dad, if there had been
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Speaker 2: foul play, Toby, what would you have expected.
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Speaker 1: To find in that dodge fifteen hundred.
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Speaker 6: Well, it depends where the foul play occurred. If it
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Speaker 6: occurs in the truck, then we would process the truck
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Speaker 6: looking for any evidence of biological materials, most likely blood,
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Speaker 6: because it's not normal to find a lot of blood
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Speaker 6: or that in a vehicle. You know, if you think
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Speaker 6: the truck was used for transport, then the bet of
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Speaker 6: the truck becomes the area of high interest because it's
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Speaker 6: easier to put a body in the bed of a
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Speaker 6: pickup truck than it is.
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Speaker 1: In the count.
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Speaker 2: That's why it's so critical that forensics check out the bed.
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Speaker 1: I mean, when you're talking about a.
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Speaker 2: Vehicle to raimonds you to Chay, just the importance of
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Speaker 2: a vehicle cannot be emphasized enough.
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Speaker 1: Just let me throw off one example.
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Speaker 2: Top Mom Casey Anthony, the mom the grandma opens the door, Okay,
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Speaker 2: Cindy Anthony of her daughter, top Mom Casey Anthony's car,
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Speaker 2: and she goes, whoa, and.
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Speaker 1: She tells nineber one, it smells like a dead body.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that smell emanating from the trunk of top Mom's car.
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Speaker 2: And you know, Ray, you and I've been to a
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Speaker 2: lot of mercies, you never mistake that smell.
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Speaker 1: Ever.
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Speaker 2: So, also in the trunk from which the dead body
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Speaker 2: smell is emanating is found a hair of baby Kelly,
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Speaker 2: two year old Kelly. Now it's identified through mitochondrial DNA,
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Speaker 2: which you and I know means DNA of the mother. Specifically,
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Speaker 2: that means that hair could only belong to three people,
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Speaker 2: the grandmother Cindy Anthony, the mother, top Mom, Casey Anthony,
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Speaker 2: or the baby Kelly. It was not the grandmother because
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Speaker 2: her hair had been died blonde. It was not the
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Speaker 2: mother Top Mom because her hair had also been treated.
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Speaker 2: This was a pristine hair, no treatment whatsoever, a.
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Speaker 1: Natural hair, a child's hair.
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Speaker 2: It was Kelly's hair and the trunk that smelt like
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Speaker 2: a dead body.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: That is why a vehicle is so important. Agree to disagree,
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Speaker 2: totally agree.
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Speaker 5: And also the positioning of the vehicle in the case
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Speaker 5: at bar that pickup truck is close to the scene
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Speaker 5: of the crime. That means somebody could have driven it there,
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Speaker 5: hidden it, quote unquote, and walked back to the scene
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Speaker 5: of the crime.
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Speaker 2: Try not just drive it off and burn it like
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Speaker 2: any self respecting criminal would do.
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Speaker 5: I don't disagree with that, but I also say that,
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Speaker 5: and a million dollar plus neighborhood, I'll bet there's a
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Speaker 5: whole lot of ring security cameras facing out from all
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Speaker 5: the homes and the coul de sac that show that
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Speaker 5: pick them up truck gett in part and somebody get
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Speaker 5: out of the driver's seat.
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Speaker 2: Okay, now you just said something very telling, Judicay, you
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Speaker 2: said leave the truck and walk back. So right there,
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Speaker 2: you're saying walk back. It's got to be within walking distance.
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Speaker 2: Why would you leave the truck right there?
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Speaker 1: Okay?
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Speaker 2: Another issue. Hey, I'm sure you remember this. Like everybody
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Speaker 2: on the panel, all you League Legal is listening right now.
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Speaker 2: Tara Grinstead, Oh, my star's beautiful high school teacher just
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Speaker 2: got her master's, beloved by all of her students, just disappears.
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Speaker 1: Okay, how did that happen?
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Speaker 2: And the tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny town in South Georgia.
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Speaker 2: I remember going through her house with her mother, and
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Speaker 2: it looked like a little jewelry box. It was perfectly appointed,
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Speaker 2: beautifully decorated, all by hand, not some fancy interior designer.
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Speaker 2: But I noticed that her bed in her bedroom was askew.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever met one of those people? What do
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Speaker 2: you call them? Doctor Chlobe Carmichael? That everything has to
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Speaker 2: be exactly in the right place.
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Speaker 1: What is that? Anal compulsive? What is that?
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Speaker 9: It's an obsessive pass person and they are often considered
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Speaker 9: anal retentive as well. You just combined the terms though
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Speaker 9: I did that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hey, you're the shrink. I'm just a trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: That's why I have you to correct me.
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Speaker 2: So obsessive compulsive, yes, So in a case like that,
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Speaker 2: when you see something totally out of the ordinary, here
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Speaker 2: is this obsessive compulsive perfectly every thing had to be
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Speaker 2: in place, and her bed was like pushed over, crooked
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Speaker 2: in the room. And I looked at her mother and
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Speaker 2: I said, why is her bed crooked? And she said,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I've never seen it like that before.
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Speaker 2: Then I found out this Sergeant Gary Young. I found
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Speaker 2: out that Terra Grin said, also her compulsion. She's an
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Speaker 2: eat nick, She's not crazy. Extended to her car. Have
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Speaker 2: you ever met those people? Their car still smells new
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Speaker 2: after like three years, it's still perfect. She was like
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Speaker 2: that with her car. Her car, I believe it was white.
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Speaker 2: There was mud all up both sides of her car.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, WHOA, Okay, that's not right, that's not right.
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Speaker 2: The seat, the driver's seat.
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Speaker 1: Was way back. There's no way she could have even
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Speaker 1: reached the gas pedal if with a seat back that far.
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Speaker 2: In this guy's car, Matthew Johnson, Special Ops.
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Speaker 1: Where was his seat when the vehicle.
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Speaker 7: Was located and towed? Do our evidence processing? It was
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Speaker 7: left in the same position, was founded and they haven't
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Speaker 7: adjusted it.
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Speaker 2: A Dodge fifteen hundred pickup truck hidden in playing sight.
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Speaker 2: A Special Ops dad goes missing. Then we find out
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Speaker 2: mommy makes.
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Speaker 1: A huge purchase. Where is the missing dad? Who are
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Speaker 1: these people? Listen?
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Speaker 8: Matthew Johnson fifty one and Jennifer Gludhill, forty one, welcome
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Speaker 8: three children, now eleven, seven, and five. During more than
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Speaker 8: a decade of marriage. The family settles in Cottonwood Heights,
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Speaker 8: a suburb of Salt Lake City, living in a home
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Speaker 8: worth nearly a million dollars. Matthew Johnson is still active military,
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Speaker 8: serving as a National Guardsman. In the special optionit, Johnson
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Speaker 8: takes a brief leave of absence while the children return
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Speaker 8: to school.
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Speaker 10: Cottonwood Heights PDE search for Matthew Johnson, aware of the
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Speaker 10: fact that the couple is in the midst of a
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Speaker 10: contentious divorce. Jennifer Gledhill initiated the split in July, with
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Speaker 10: proceedings set to be finalized by the end of October.
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Speaker 10: Gledhill says she is afraid of Johnson, claiming Johnson has
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Speaker 10: been violent with her in the past.
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Speaker 2: Really so, she claims he's been violent toward her in
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Speaker 2: the past, but that is not what a judge said listen.
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Speaker 10: Seven weeks after Jennifer Gledhill files for divorce, Gledhill files
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Speaker 10: for a protective order against Matthew Johnson. A temporary order
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Speaker 10: is granted, but Gledhill must prove abuse at the hands
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Speaker 10: of her husband for anything more permanent. After reviewing text
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Speaker 10: messages and footage Gledhill taped of several altercations, a judge
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Speaker 10: dismisses the order. The judge says the evidence shows Gledhill
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Speaker 10: is equally confrontational and belittling and demeaning to her husband.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to a lawyer that has handled plenty
21:43
Speaker 2: of similar disputes, Raymond Judice.
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Speaker 1: What does all of that mean? That is in civil
21:50
Speaker 1: court not my arena. But I know this.
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Speaker 2: She goes for a tro temporary restraining order and the
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Speaker 2: judge won't do it. He will extend that he says,
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Speaker 2: the evidence shows that she is confrontational, not him, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: The standard procedure is that when someone who feels they
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Speaker 5: were abused goes to the courthouse, in a civil court
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Speaker 5: clerk's office, they apply for a temporary protective order, temporary
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Speaker 5: restraining order, same thing that is automatically granted right then
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Speaker 5: and there with an emergency hearing set in front of
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Speaker 5: a judge as quickly as possible, generally within a few days.
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Speaker 5: That is the hearing that we're referencing, where the judge
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Speaker 5: took evidence from both sides, allegedly reviewed text messages and
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Speaker 5: some videotape and testimony, and that judge found that there
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Speaker 5: wasn't enough evidence to grant a permanent protective order restraining order,
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Speaker 5: and he dismissed the temporary restraining protective order against.
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Speaker 2: Matthew Johnson as you to say, you have you ever
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Speaker 2: been in court and the lawyer for the other side
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Speaker 2: introduces something and you're sitting there going, oh, must that
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Speaker 2: helps me?
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Speaker 1: And it totally backfires.
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Speaker 2: And that is why you better practice every in court demonstration,
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Speaker 2: have every prop have every poster or every piece of evidence.
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Speaker 1: I mean, do I have to say it doesn't fit?
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Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in heaven talking about the Simpson glove. Okay,
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Speaker 2: he put it over two singers and went, Okay, it
23:22
Speaker 2: won't fit. And what were they gonna do? Chris Darden
23:25
Speaker 2: wrestle him in court and make it go down over
23:27
Speaker 2: his hand. That said, never ever play anything or bring
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Speaker 2: in evidence that you haven't tested yourself. Because when this wife,
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Speaker 2: Jennifer Gludheel, brings in the video to show the judge
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Speaker 2: why she should get the house and the money and
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Speaker 2: the children in this tro like kick him out of
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Speaker 2: the house, he goes, Lady.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't really help you.
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Speaker 3: Listen to this video and text messages are gathered as
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Speaker 3: proof Gledhill's fight for a permanent order. One video shows
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Speaker 3: Johnson cleaning up glass from a broken family photo his demeanor.
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Speaker 3: Calm Court Commissioner Russell Minus denied the permanent order, determining
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Speaker 3: there was no abuse. He describes the couple's relationship as
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Speaker 3: highly dysfunctional, adding both parties were equally confrontational and that
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Speaker 3: Gluhill did not exhibit any fear of Johnson. The commissioner
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Speaker 3: said the request for a restraining order appears to be
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Speaker 3: a litigation tactic in the pending divorce.
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Speaker 8: Matthew Johnson has been missing five days when Kinwood Heights
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Speaker 8: p D gets a call from a friend of Jennifer Gludhill's.
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Speaker 8: The friend claims Gluhill called before reporting Matthew missing, giving
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Speaker 8: a very different version of events.
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Speaker 2: A very different version of events. What she changes her story? Oh, yes,
24:51
Speaker 2: she changes the story. And based on that very different
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Speaker 2: version of events, the dominoes start falling, yacking, talking, gossiping.
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Speaker 2: Why did she call her friend and give a different
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Speaker 2: version of events?
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Speaker 1: What happens next? Listen?
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Speaker 8: Cottenwood Heights PD execute a search for in at the
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Speaker 8: couple's home. Cops confirm the suspicion that glad Hill replace
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Speaker 8: the mattress in their master bedroom, the new one arriving
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Speaker 8: three days after her husband's disappearance.
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Speaker 2: Uh oh, your husband goes missing a new order a
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Speaker 2: new mattress.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Chloe Carmichael.
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Speaker 2: I find that very unusual at a time when you
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Speaker 2: need to be scouring the whole county trying to find
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Speaker 2: your husband, pouring over her credit cards in ATM transactions
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Speaker 2: to try to find him. She goes, Wow, I've got
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Speaker 2: a lumpy mattress. That doesn't make sense, doctor Chloe.
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Speaker 9: No, I would agree, Nancy. And moreover, if they had
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Speaker 9: a pending divorce, then you know, people are usually thinking
25:53
Speaker 9: more about trying to kind of get rid of things that,
25:55
Speaker 9: you know, buy new things when there's likely going to
25:58
Speaker 9: be a move happening. Also, it sounds like maybe what
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Speaker 9: psychologists call impression management, when a person you know goes
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Speaker 9: out of their way to try to frame the other
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Speaker 9: persons as a victim, or rather frame the other person
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Speaker 9: as the aggressor and frame themselves as the victim. So,
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Speaker 9: you know, she's producing these videos and whatnot, but they
26:19
Speaker 9: don't actually show anything incriminating and there's a lack of
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Speaker 9: any real evidence on her part of you know, injuries
26:27
Speaker 9: or bruising or anything like that. I also find it
26:30
Speaker 9: unusual that she would not tell the police proactively if
26:35
Speaker 9: there had been some sort of a conflict, you know,
26:38
Speaker 9: if she was calling to make a second report about
26:40
Speaker 9: a conflict, why would she not have just told them
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Speaker 9: everything she knew to say, Look, we had a fight,
26:47
Speaker 9: maybe he ran away, Please go try to find him.
26:50
Speaker 9: So the fact that she's withholding information and then changing
26:53
Speaker 9: her story and then possibly making you know, private statements
26:56
Speaker 9: to somebody else, she's not appearing like a consistent witness here.
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Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young joining US Cottonwood Heights PD. Sergeant Young,
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Speaker 2: I remember the horrible moment, and it only lasted about
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Speaker 2: five minutes.
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Speaker 1: Max.
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Speaker 2: I was in a giant babies or us and I
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Speaker 2: turned around and I had my daughter was still standing there,
27:21
Speaker 2: but my son was gone. He was only two and
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Speaker 2: a half three. I picked her up like football and
27:27
Speaker 2: started running, screaming bloody murder to lock the front doors
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Speaker 2: and the back doors because my son was missing. I
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Speaker 2: didn't think about ordering an ee mattress in that moment.
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Speaker 2: I didn't gather my things that I had already put
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Speaker 2: in the cart for them and casually stroll up front
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Speaker 2: and start check out. Doctor Chloe was really calm in
27:53
Speaker 2: her answer, But I find that crazy odd that she,
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Speaker 2: while her husband is missing, orders a knee mattress.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't bother.
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Speaker 7: You, No, that bothered me because been married for thirty years.
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Speaker 7: And if we make a purchase like a mattress, that's
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Speaker 7: a husband and wife decision, and that may take a
28:09
Speaker 7: couple of days or visits because you're going to be
28:12
Speaker 7: a couple of thousand dollars in mattress. So that would
28:15
Speaker 7: that's not a normal every day or spur of the moment,
28:17
Speaker 7: you know, President's Day mattress.
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Speaker 1: That kind of thing.
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Speaker 7: I would think that they had have spoken about, or
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Speaker 7: it wouldn't take place during a crisis such as your
28:25
Speaker 7: missing husband.
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Speaker 2: When you and your coworkers execute a search warrant, Sergeant
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Speaker 2: Gary Young, what if anything do you find in the home.
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Speaker 7: Ideally we're going to find, you know, physical even for
28:40
Speaker 7: executing a warrant, we would like to have any evidence
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Speaker 7: of the crime, hopefully blood or other bodily fluids. That
28:47
Speaker 7: would be the ideal situation that we would be able
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Speaker 7: to find.
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Speaker 2: That. Isn't it true that blood was found on the
28:53
Speaker 2: slats beneath the knee mattress and a large bloodstain on
28:59
Speaker 2: the carpet bold the bed the room looked as if
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Speaker 2: it had been meticulously clean, including bleaching the walls and
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Speaker 2: trying to remove the stain out of the carpet.
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Speaker 7: Yes, that is correct.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Toby Wilson joining.
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Speaker 2: Me, Forensic biologists, bloodstain pattern analyst at No Slow Forensics Consultation.
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Speaker 1: Help me, Toby explain what we're saying.
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Speaker 6: Well, when there's signs of a cleanup, which is the
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Speaker 6: bleach and the cleaners, it should peak curiosity, especially in
29:44
Speaker 6: a bedroom. A bedroom, you know there's so many things
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Speaker 6: in there that will retain evidence. The mattress is nothing
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Speaker 6: more than a big sponge, so cleaning in that is
29:55
Speaker 6: virtually impossible. In my opinion, I've never seen anyone successfully
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Speaker 6: clean a mattress be because you may get it most
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Speaker 6: of it off the surface, but there's going to be
30:04
Speaker 6: plenty inside. And then if there's enough blood, sufficient blood
30:08
Speaker 6: that it bleeds through the mattress and ends up down
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Speaker 6: on the slats supporting it and the carpet underneath. Again,
30:13
Speaker 6: you're working trying to clean away something that's very porous.
30:18
Speaker 6: So the slats usually are wood. They're going to absorb
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Speaker 6: the blood, so it's going to be difficult to get
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Speaker 6: it out of the wood. But the carpet is the
30:26
Speaker 6: bigger factor. I've found in many of the cases where
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Speaker 6: I've gone looking for a cleanup, carpeting is where we
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Speaker 6: find it because they may clean the surface so that
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Speaker 6: you can't see the blood, but there's this pad under
30:38
Speaker 6: the carpet that actually a sponge also, and you can
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Speaker 6: just peel the carpet back and find blood frequently weeks
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Speaker 6: if there's a large volume, weeks after the event that's
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Speaker 6: still wet. So there's many places in this setting that
30:52
Speaker 6: would be potentially harboring blood cleanup. The other thing is
30:56
Speaker 6: is that when people clean up crime scenes, they're not
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Speaker 6: blood experts, and they clean up what they visually see.
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Speaker 6: They miss the small stuff. So when I go into
31:05
Speaker 6: process a crime scene and look for blood, I'm using
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Speaker 6: whatever methodology, usually visual to lead me to the areas
31:13
Speaker 6: they've missed. So there's a lot of things here that
31:16
Speaker 6: would have applied. And the replacement of the mattress would
31:19
Speaker 6: be a key piece of interest, because you know, knowing
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Speaker 6: that you're not going to get the blood out of
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Speaker 6: that mattress, you know if you've got to replace it.
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Speaker 6: It's just especially with the volumes of blood you're talking
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Speaker 6: about here. If there was enough blood to bleed through
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Speaker 6: and get to the areas under the mattress, that mattress
31:37
Speaker 6: had to be very saturated.
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Speaker 10: Gledhill's friend recounts to police what Gledhill openly admitted the
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Speaker 10: evening before reporting her husband missing. Gledhill shot Johnson in
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Speaker 10: the head while he slept, then buried his body in
31:48
Speaker 10: a shallow grave. Gledhill revealed the approximate location of the grave,
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Speaker 10: telling her friend she's trying to determine next steps.
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Speaker 1: Next steps? Is that what it's called?
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Speaker 2: Okay, so, Ray, how does her gossiping to her friend
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Speaker 2: fit into your scenario? Why does she have to call
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Speaker 2: the friend and tell the whole thing and now she's
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Speaker 2: trying to figure out next steps?
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Speaker 5: Well, that certainly shows after death behavior. But what the
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Speaker 5: defensive battered women's syndrome is is everything that leads up
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Speaker 5: to the homicide is a homicide. But why why is
32:22
Speaker 5: there enough evidence of abuse sufficient that a judge and
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Speaker 5: jury would say we understand what she did her behavior
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Speaker 5: after that?
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Speaker 6: Okay, that's a different argument.
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Speaker 5: I don't think it's helpful, Don't get me wrong. You
32:34
Speaker 5: would rather not have as a defense lawyer, that kind
32:36
Speaker 5: of a text message and that friend who's going to
32:39
Speaker 5: testify for the state obviously come into evidence. But you've
32:43
Speaker 5: got to come up with a defense unless you argue
32:45
Speaker 5: it was a third party, a burglar, somebody else or
32:48
Speaker 5: a lover. And I don't see anything right now that
32:51
Speaker 5: would support that as your primary defense.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So bottom line, you got to go somewhere. What
32:57
Speaker 1: are you going to do.
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Speaker 2: You've managed to get your her husband's blood all over
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Speaker 2: the slats under the bed.
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Speaker 1: You're basically busted, unless.
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Speaker 2: You want to blame it on the five year old
33:08
Speaker 2: for trying to do a cleanup of the carpet. You
33:11
Speaker 2: heard what Toby Wilson said. When they go under that carpet,
33:14
Speaker 2: the lord.
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Speaker 1: Only knows what they're going to find under there.
33:19
Speaker 2: But this is not the first time we would see
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Speaker 2: a wife meticulously.
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Speaker 1: Planning I murder.
33:26
Speaker 2: Does the name Corey Richins ring a bell also known
33:30
Speaker 2: as Moscow mule mom?
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Speaker 1: Listen?
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Speaker 11: Police find Eric Richins dead on his bedroom floor. According
33:37
Speaker 11: to court documents, Richins and his wife, Corey were celebrating
33:41
Speaker 11: a business accomplishment the night he died. Police say Corey
33:45
Speaker 11: claimed she made him Eric a Moscow mule, which he
33:48
Speaker 11: drank in the bedroom. They say Corey told authorities that
33:52
Speaker 11: she left to help one of their children and returned
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Speaker 11: to the bed several hours later. It was then, they say,
33:58
Speaker 11: that she noticed Eric was cold to the touch and
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Speaker 11: called nine to one one.
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Speaker 2: And then there's Emily U, the so called draino wife.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 8: Radiologist Jack Chin says he noticed a chemical taste in
34:12
Speaker 8: his drinks, so he set up a hidden camera in
34:14
Speaker 8: their kitchen, capturing video evidence of his wife. You you
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Speaker 8: allegedly taking draino from under the sink and pouring it
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Speaker 8: into his lemonade. On three separate instances, a doctor diagnoses
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Speaker 8: Chin with two stomach alsters, gastritis and esophagus inflammation. Hidden
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Speaker 8: video is enough for cops, and the forty five year
34:32
Speaker 8: old dermatologist is placed under arrest for trying to poison
34:35
Speaker 8: her husband.
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Speaker 2: And what's so interesting about that case is this woman,
34:38
Speaker 2: who as I recall, was a doctor herself.
34:41
Speaker 1: Is caught on video. The husband gets.
34:45
Speaker 2: Suspicious when his stomach becomes inflamed, and he posts video
34:49
Speaker 2: cams all around the kitchen and the home. You see
34:54
Speaker 2: her on video going over to the kitchen cabinet and
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Speaker 2: reaching in. He wisely set up a camera inside the
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Speaker 2: kitchen cabin and you see your hand reach in and
35:05
Speaker 2: get the draino and pull it out, and then she
35:08
Speaker 2: doctors his morning drink. Okay, Doctor Chloe Carmichael, joining us
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Speaker 2: clinical psychologist, explain what's happening in these scenarios.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, especially with our current situation, I look at
35:21
Speaker 9: what psychologists call grandiosity. So you would ask how it
35:25
Speaker 9: could be that she could think that she could just
35:27
Speaker 9: literally clean this up, you know, out of the carpet,
35:30
Speaker 9: and if it is true that indeed she took it
35:33
Speaker 9: into her own hands to just murder her husband, right there,
35:37
Speaker 9: we have an element of grandiosity. And once you've done
35:41
Speaker 9: an act like that, or even are preparing to do
35:44
Speaker 9: an act like that, more than likely, unless you're a
35:47
Speaker 9: total psychopath, you would have what psychologists call hot cognition,
35:51
Speaker 9: So you know, your your mind is kind of supercharged,
35:55
Speaker 9: and maybe you're not even thinking super clearly, and so
35:58
Speaker 9: that might be why you know, she could to do
36:00
Speaker 9: something like that without really thinking it through. But again
36:05
Speaker 9: I'm looking at the grandiosity possibility, the idea that she
36:08
Speaker 9: would think that she could just you know, make these
36:11
Speaker 9: videos and paint him a certain way and paint herself
36:14
Speaker 9: a certain way and then maybe potentially go murder him
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Speaker 9: and confide in a friend and think it would never
36:20
Speaker 9: come back upon her. There's a real egoism there, if
36:24
Speaker 9: all of that is true.
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Speaker 2: You know, Jennifer Scotski joining me, investigative reporter, Jennifer, I'm
36:28
Speaker 2: always amazed that killers will speak to their compadres, their cohorts,
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Speaker 2: not even co defendants, and expect them to keep quiet.
36:41
Speaker 2: That's always been so bizarre to me that you murder someone,
36:46
Speaker 2: in this case, murdering him in his sleep, so that's
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Speaker 2: not self defense, telling friends about it, expecting them to
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Speaker 2: be in on your secret.
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Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, it's definitely a case of would be a
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Speaker 9: great example of grandiosity that she could do something like
37:03
Speaker 9: murder and then can find in a friend and as
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Speaker 9: you said, expect that the friend would just obey her instructions,
37:11
Speaker 9: you know, to keep this, you know, murder confession quiet. Essentially,
37:15
Speaker 9: that would definitely speak to a grandiosity or kind of
37:18
Speaker 9: a fuzzy connection with reality and social norms and what
37:22
Speaker 9: she could expect from people.
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Speaker 1: What about it, dinnerfer Skouski.
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Speaker 4: Now just to me, just looking at all of this,
37:30
Speaker 4: who it sounds like your classic dumb killer. I mean,
37:35
Speaker 4: it seems that she just didn't think at all. I mean,
37:38
Speaker 4: who buys a new mattress after who goes to their
37:41
Speaker 4: friend and says I did this? Or confidential informant as
37:45
Speaker 4: they're calling this person?
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Speaker 1: Who does that?
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Speaker 4: Nobody with a sane, normal mind is ever going to
37:51
Speaker 4: think they're going to get away with the way that
37:57
Speaker 4: miss Jennifer has has tried to do thus far.
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Speaker 2: And of course I want you to take a look
38:03
Speaker 2: at the classic black widow. Dahlia Dippolito offers a hitman
38:08
Speaker 2: seven thousand dollars to kill her husband. She sets up
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Speaker 2: an alibi for herself in their early morning hours, where
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Speaker 2: she says she's going to the gym. The hitman would
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Speaker 2: go in the home and kill her husband unbeknownst to her,
38:23
Speaker 2: of course, she has done a deal with an undercover
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Speaker 2: surveillance officer. This is her when Ellie law enforcement come
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Speaker 2: to tell her her.
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Speaker 1: Husband is dead. Little do they does she know this
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Speaker 1: is all part.
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Speaker 2: Of a sting. So watch Dahlia Dippolito, watch out, Meryl Street,
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Speaker 2: She's coming for you.
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Speaker 1: Is your husband?
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Speaker 7: Michael Okay, I'm sorry to tell you man, he's been killed.
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Speaker 1: He's been killed.
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Speaker 6: Right now we need to get we need.
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Speaker 1: I can't look and then we have to do our job.
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Speaker 7: If you want the finest pillera we need you to
39:09
Speaker 7: calm do need you to go with theives?
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Speaker 8: Okay?
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Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young joining us from Cottonwood p D. Where
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Speaker 2: is the search? Where did she allegedly stay? She buried
39:22
Speaker 2: her husband?
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Speaker 7: Are still looking for the deceased and we weren't given
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Speaker 7: a specific location. We have put out about twenty five
39:31
Speaker 7: warrants now for cell phones, computer history those we're still
39:38
Speaker 7: following up on all our leads trying to get the
39:40
Speaker 7: best known location. I mean, be a needle in a
39:42
Speaker 7: haystack to just randomly go drive around and look for
39:45
Speaker 7: a place. But we're still trying to narrow that down
39:48
Speaker 7: and uh, several leads we've looked into that haven't been
39:51
Speaker 7: very fruitful, and so we're still exploding that electronic information
39:55
Speaker 7: trying to gain a better location on where we should
39:58
Speaker 7: you know, focus our.
39:59
Speaker 1: Search and where is Jennifer Gledhill? Now listen.
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Speaker 10: Jennifer Gledhill is arrested outside her home nine days into
40:05
Speaker 10: the search for Matthew Johnson on suspicion of murder and
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Speaker 10: tampering with evidence. The couple's three children have been placed
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Speaker 10: in the care of a relative. As Gledhill has been
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Speaker 10: denied bail. Gledhill will remain in the Salt Lake County
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Speaker 10: Jail due to fears she will further tamper with evidence
40:19
Speaker 10: or flee based on the comments she made to her friend.
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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything regarding the
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Speaker 2: disappearance of this husband and father, Special Ops Hubby Matthew Johnson,
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Speaker 2: please dial eight zero one eight four zero four thousand,
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Speaker 2: repeat eight zero one eight four zero four thousand. Nancy
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Speaker 2: Gray signing off, goodbye friend,