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Jim Harden: Standing Against Injustice, Lawfare, Abortion Terrorists · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey friends, welcome.
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  Thanks for tuning in and for sharing the podcast.
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  And I've got a great guest today.
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  And caught up with this brother in quite some time, the Reverend Jim Harden.
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  He's the CEO of Compass Care Pregnancy Services, services lives outside Rochester, New York
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  with his wife and 10.
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  You heard it right.
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  10 children.
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  He pioneered the first measurable and repeatable medical model in the pregnancy center movement,
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  helping over 650 centers nationwide become more effective at reaching more women and
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  more importantly, saving babies, saving more babies from abortion.
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  He's written extensively on medical ethics, executive leadership and pro life strategy.
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  And he's the author of three books.
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  One of them, we're going to talk a little bit about today, just came out a couple months
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  ago.
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  At the end of last year, are you pro life for the right reasons, Christian first principles
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  and the protection of preborn boys and girls?
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  Also, we're going to get an update his facility, Compass Care, the pro life medical office
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  in Buffalo was fire bombed and destroyed in June of 2022.
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  We'll get an update on that.
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  Jim Harden, welcome to World View Matters.
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  Good to see you.
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  Good to see you too.
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  Thanks for having me back.
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  It's an honor.
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  All right.
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  Well, it's great to catch up with you.
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  Well, I learned that you have a book out and you've been really busy.
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  You mentioned you're going through a lawsuit.
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  What do you want to start with today?
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  Oh, there's so much to talk about.
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  In fact, we're managing through probably, I think this would be our seventh lawsuit that's
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  ongoing.
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  We're in the middle of being attacked.
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  In January of 2023, I predicted that on the lead of the 2024 presidential election,
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  that pregnancy centers and pro life people would face increased attacks.
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  And that would come not just not necessarily the form of violence, like we've experienced
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  shortly after the illegal leak of the dobs case over turning row, but it would transform
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  or transition into more of a weaponization of legislation and kind of attacks using law
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  fare, if you will, where attorneys general, et cetera, would come after pro life people
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  using the legal system, kind of like a legal buffet to attack the politically disfavored
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  for political reasons.
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  So that's exactly what's happening right now.
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  That's one of the reasons why we're facing so many challenges.
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  The most recent lawsuit that we're facing is coming from New York attorney general Latisha
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  James.
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  We just received notice to sue this morning.
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  And now we've learned that there are at least nine other pregnancy centers that have received
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  a carbon copy version of this notice to sue.
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  But primarily alleging the same things that pro-abortion domestic terrorist group James Revenge
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  alleged when they fire bombers.
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  That is that we're lying to women that were misinforming women that were somehow harming
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  women by helping them have their babies.
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  And specifically, they're trying to attack our assistance to help women who reverse the
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  effects of chemical abortion.
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  They're saying that that's impossible, that it harms women, it doesn't work, et cetera.
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  And of course, all the peer review medical literature demonstrates that progesterone therapy
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  that's been used for 50 years in the OB field to help women who have chronic miscarriage
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  problems actually works in the presence of chemical abortion.
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  If a woman changes her mind, if we can catch her with 72 hours, we can reverse the effects
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  of miffa pristone, which is this very dangerous chemical abortion drug that was deregulated
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  by the Biden administration's FDA.
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  Now, what are your thoughts on that?
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  Because I know since Roe v. Wade was overturned, a lot of people think there are fewer abortions
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  now.
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  That's not the case at all.
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  And part because of our U486, and women can get it, they don't have to go to the doctor
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  to get the, so what are your thoughts on that?
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  The abortions off the charts now.
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  Yeah, abortion's gone up 20, I'm sorry, 10% in 2023, which is, and chemical abortion
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  has gone up 20% in the same timeframe.
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  So what that means is chemical abortion, when Roe v. Wade was overturned, it fundamentally
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  altered the business model of the abortion industry.
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  It went from, you know, having, serving, doing surgical abortion or chemical abortion
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  in every state to, you know, many states, but 20 plus states are regulating it significantly
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  so that they would have to, you know, encourage women to travel to places like New York
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  or California to get abortions, we call it abortion tourism, or spoke it out using chemical
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  abortion and, and send these drugs to, in the mail to women's homes and pro-life states.
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  Which, by the way, is illegal?
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  According to the Comstock Act, originally passed, I believe 1871, but modified in 1971,
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  and then again in 1994, it is illegal to ship anything, including a drug or, or some sort
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  of paraphernalia or mechanism or device, across U.S. borders or state lines for the purpose,
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  express purpose of abortion.
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  That's happening right now, all across the United States, and if the Comstock Act were
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  enforced by the Biden administration's DOJ, and by the way, Mayor Garland said he would
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  not enforce the Comstock Act, it's not his job to determine which law is going to enforce
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  and which one is he's not going to enforce.
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  But if he did, it comes with a $250,000 fine per violation, okay, times triple damages
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  for racketeering.
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  You multiply that by 630,000, because that's how many chemical abortions took place last
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  year, 630,000, and then multiply that by five years worth of statutes for limitations,
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  and you've got $2.4 trillion in damages.
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  That's like 7% of the national debt.
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  I mean, that would shut down the abortion industry altogether.
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  I mean, all bets are off at that point, and I think that's one of the reasons why these
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  four abortion politicians are pulling out all the stops, because if the law were enforced
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  as it currently reads, abortion would go away overnight.
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  And I hope that somebody like Donald Trump, if he gets elected, would actually enforce
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  the laws of the land, and unlike the Biden administration, which is literally pitting
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  itself against the legislative branch as well as the judiciary.
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  Yeah, they gave Planned Parenthood a raise, they got them more taxpayer funding.
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  I think $700 million now a year.
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  Nearly three cores of a billion dollars is going to the biggest abortion business on the
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  planet, and they've got 40% of all U.S. abortions, and 44% of all chemical abortions.
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  And is there revenue around $2 billion a year?
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  Yes, it is.
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  Okay.
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  That's a behemoth.
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  And by the way, that's just the United States.
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  They're an international conglomerate for all of that.
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  So by the way, we're talking with Reverend Jim Harden.
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  The website is compasscare.info, compasscare.info.
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  You've also got another website.
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  Would you explain that, please?
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  Yeah.
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  So compasscare.info is our patient facing website.
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  Compasscare understands what women are going through.
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  And if you know of somebody who's facing online pregnancy and serious against hearing
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  abortion, have them go to that website.
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  We serve patients all across the country through telecare.
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  We reach, we can reach and serve women within 24 seconds to reach her before the tele-
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  abortionist centers for these dangerous drugs in the mail.
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  But also, there's another website called compasscare community, and that's more of our education
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  facing website, compasscarecommunity.com, that's compasscarecommunity.com, you get all sorts
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  of updates about what compasscare is doing to save women and babies from abortion, as
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  well as protecting pregnancy centers from being shut down and silenced out of the public
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  square.
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  I'm just, I just wrote down, you know, these, Jim, these terms that we're using now, what
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  are great grandparents think?
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  You, I understand what you mean.
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  You said earlier, abortion tourism that's going across state lines to a state that will
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  murder pre-born babies and mothers, wombs, if your state has it abandoned abortion.
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  Tele-abortionist, tele-abortionist, meaning you can talk to someone on the phone and you
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  can order the abortion pill.
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  Is that, I'm missing anything?
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  That's exactly right.
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  It's totally outside the bounds of medical ethics.
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  You know, they don't, they don't confirm the pregnancy.
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  They don't locate the pregnancy in the uterus.
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  There is no health history to indicate whether or not this, this woman should be receiving
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  a drug that makes her bleed.
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  There is no medical follow-up if she, if she experiences complications, she's told by
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  the tele-abortionist, whoever it is, to go to the emergency room and tell and lie to the
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  doctor telling him that she's miscarrying.
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  I mean, this is, this is, there's a fraud being perpetrated against women.
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  Chemical abortion, a recent study came out saying one in 17 women who start the chemical
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  abortion process end up in the emergency room with sepsis, hemorrhaging, undiagnosed
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  ectopic pregnancy, it's just, it is a disaster and it is a fraud being perpetrated against
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  women.
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  You know, they're protecting the abortion industry, they're not protecting women and what
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  do they do?
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  What do these pro-abortion politicians do that want to protect the abortion industry?
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  This multi-billion dollar abortion industry, they get some re-elected, well, they want
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  to shut down all public pro-affectivity and they want to sue places like compass care and
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  that's what they're doing for telling women the truth.
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  They don't want women to know that the chemical abortion process can be reversed if it's caught
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  early enough.
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  They don't want, they want to force women to continue the abortion that they've already
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  started.
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  This is that choice.
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  How about choice?
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  That's right.
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  And they avoid showing ultrasound or sonograms, they don't do that for their purposes.
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  Let's talk about that one in 17 women end up in urgent care or ER, did you say that's
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  due to the pill?
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  Yes, the chemical abortion pill, Mifra Pristone, it's actually RU46 is a two drug regimen.
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  The first drug is a progesterone blocker and it ends up starving the baby, kills the
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  baby and the second drug is Mifra Pristle and that's a drug that was specifically designed
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  for people that are on chronic pain medication to keep them from getting ulcers but in the
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  presence of a pregnant woman it causes you during contractions and expels the baby.
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  Now some, this is terrible but some abortionists just give them a Mifra Pristle and so they're
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  delivering live babies at all sorts of ages.
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  They don't confer and in the FDA saying, well you can't really give this drug after 10
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  weeks' gestation but they don't know how far along these women are, they just send these
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  from these drugs.
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  They don't care.
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  And not to mention the fact that you've got places like New York that are stockpiling
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  these drug, New York City, Mayor Eric Adams is stockpiled 250,000 doses of Mifra Pristone,
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  New York Governor Kathy Hope will stockpiled 200,000 doses of Mifra Pristle just in case the
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  Supreme Court overturns the FDA's illegal approval of this drug.
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  The FDA circumvented their own protocols for determining safety and efficacy on this drug
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  back during the Clinton administration and thousands of physicians filed a lawsuit.
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  Now it's in the Supreme Court, they just heard oral arguments.
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  What's going to happen?
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  We expected a decision any day now about whether the Supreme Court is going to tell the FDA
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  to go back and do their job and take this thing off the market.
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  It's damaging, women, it's killing women.
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  Yes, it is.
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  And we don't hear those stories in the Marxist media.
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  But Jim, we started off this podcast talking about the new lawsuit against you against
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  Compass Care Law Fair.
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  We've talked about that a lot last year on this program, Law Fair in different cases for
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  different reasons.
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  But let's talk about injustice now.
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  You were fire bombed, your offices were fire bombed in June of 2022.
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  James Revenge took credit.
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  What was the update on that?
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  Has there been any arrest conviction?
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  Please tell us there has been something.
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  Well, unfortunately, I wish I could tell you that there has been something.
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  The only movement that we've seen is that the FBI two years later, around April 1st,
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  April Fool's Day, put some billboards up saying that they're looking for information
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  leading to arrest.
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  There was some billboards outdoor advertising left.
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  Oh, this is the extent of the FBI's forensic analysis is billboards.
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  I mean, I mean, maybe they're doing something behind the scenes.
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  I don't know, but here's the results are everything.
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  Because the FBI has the best forensic technology known to man.
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  They can find somebody within hours or days if they want to.
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  And Merrick Garon, under oath before a Senate judiciary committee saying, well, we can't
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  find these people because they're clever.
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  You know, they do these things at night.
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  I mean, you've got to be kidding me.
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  Oh, my God.
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  Yeah, that's what he said.
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  So, so, you know, it is laughable.
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  But here's, look at the, look, just look at the disparity between the arrests of peaceful
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  pro-life people, the indictments of peaceful code 40 indictments of peaceful pro-life people
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  since the illegal League of the Dobbs case by the Department of Justice.
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  Okay?
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  Under face violations, treatment of access to clinic entrance is act.
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  These people are singing hymns.
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  They're praying.
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  You know, they're, they're, they're, they're very compliant with the, with the police
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  from the police show up.
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  But, you know, they're, they're not violent criminals, but they're being indicted, tried
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  and now sentenced.
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  And this one particular woman, I mean, potentially 11 years, three and $50,000 fines.
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  This is a peaceful pro-life woman who's 80, 20, 88 years old now.
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  And she was a, she actually was rescued out of a death camp after, after World War II.
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  And I want to say it was Yugoslavia, but she was 10 years old and now she's facing prison
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  time for expressing her first amendment rights using her voice to, to speak out on behalf
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  of the voiceless pre-born boys and girls.
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  This is the, so 40 different indictments, meanwhile, there have been 400 attacks on peaceful
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  pro-life organizations like Compass Care.
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  And three, count them, three indictments.
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  And, and by the way, they were, there was one guy who was a part of the inaugural fire
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  bombing of a pro-life entity in Madison, Wisconsin on Mother's Day two years ago.
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  He, he was a, he's a biochemist, a corporate worker out of Madison, Wisconsin in his 30s.
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  And he was part of James Revenge.
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  He was one of three.
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  They caught him by, by using DNA events, there's, there's two other accomplices.
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  They did not charge him with an act of domestic terror.
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  They did not charge him with conspiracy.
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  They, they, they, the, the federal prosecutors gave him a lighter sentence for a lighter crime.
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  He's going to be out in five years.
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  He's, he received no fines whatsoever.
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  Think about that.
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  And, and he, he, his, his, his private defense was paid for by a federal judiciary grant
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  for the poor.
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  What, what, what kind of world are we living in?
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  This is not a just, this is an indictment on the justice system.
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  This kind of result is, but demonstrates.
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  The writ large to the world that the, the, the judiciary and the justice department under
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  the Biden administration is, is being used as a bludgeon against the politically disfavored
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  pro-life people.
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  Yeah.
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  This, I mean, shades of the Obama administration, they were going after conservatives and
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  Tea Party activists and so we've seen a lot of injustice by our own system.
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  The DOJ, and in this case, the Biden, DOJ and FBI not investigating, as you said, they,
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  they have, it's in their power to, to get results.
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  But anyway, Jim, let's talk about your book.
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  Are you pro-life for the right reasons?
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  I want to make sure people know that it's available and people know where to get it.
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  I have it here in front of me.
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  It's on Amazon.
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  Are you pro-life for the right reasons?
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  Reverend Jim Hardin.
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  And is it on your website as well?
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  I believe you can, you can find on our website at compasscareccommunity.com.
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  Okay.
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  But, uh, as I'll say, as you say on Amazon, uh, yeah, I just felt like the book needed to
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  be written.
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  There's a lot of good arguments for why people should be pro-life.
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  But in a post-Roe America, those arguments, I think it's, it's not just that we're in
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  a post-Roe America.
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  We're in a post-Christian America.
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  And the arguments that we've used to convince people to be why they should be pro-life, why
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  everyone everywhere ought to be pro-life, uh, assumed that the person you're talking
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  to came from, came to the, to the, uh, conversation with the same core values about what it means
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  to be human, about the same, but with the same core values about the inherent value of
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  human life, freeborn, as well as born, and all you had to do is humanize the freeborn baby.
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  See, look, the baby's human, therefore you shouldn't, and the baby's life.
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  Well, uh, that's where the post-Christian culture, we no longer share the same kind of today
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  of Christian principles about what it means to be human anymore.
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  And so we, uh, the, the, the traditional kind of arguments around the grotesque statistics
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  of abortion, how, how, how pervasive it is, uh, don't, you know, they don't seem to,
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  to do much anymore.
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  The, the concept of, of embryology, when, when human life begins scientifically, it doesn't
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  seem to matter much anymore, um, you know, and, and even experiential things like, well,
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  I had a, I had a bad abortion experience, right?
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  I, uh, I survived an abortion or whatever, that's all fine and good, but those are all secondary
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  reasons now.
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  We've got to get back to the primary reason.
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  We've got to help Christians deep in their understanding about why, uh, who, who we
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  are as people made in the image of God, yes, and connect that back to the gospel, because
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  Jesus Christ, uh, through the gospel and his, and the first principles about, about
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  worth respect to the gospel, speak to why everyone everywhere should be pro-life.
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  Jesus, uh, is God in the flesh, and therefore his blood is invaluable, it's priceless.
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  And he assigned a value to humanity when he shed that blood on our behalf, and he stood
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  in the, in the gap for us and, and, and, and, and became sin, uh, and nailed that sin to
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  the cross so that we could become a righteousness and have a standing before God the Father.
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  And, and there, you know, he became our good Samaritan, thereby he became our good Samaritan.
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  He essentially condescended and gave us his voice, his resources, et cetera, to give
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  us our lives back.
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  But the good Samaritan, uh, you know, that, that story was told so that the lawyer who
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  was trying to justify his, his, in just or unjust behavior against people he didn't
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  like, was, was told to say, look, you got to go and do likewise.
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  A true, true love is, you know, the opposite of love is not hate.
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  The opposite of love is partiality.
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  It's me playing God, getting to decide who qualifies for my favor and who does not.
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  And we don't have that.
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  Uh, we're not God.
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  And so it's upon, it's incumbent upon Christians to communicate the truth about what it means
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  to be human.
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  We're made in God's image and designed to reflect him.
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  And because he values humanity, because we're the crown of creation, we ought to respect
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  and dignify each other.
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  There is, uh, no place for a government or anybody to make a, uh, a distinction about
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  which humans qualify for protection under the law and which ones do not.
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  Either everybody qualifies for protection of the law or equality is just a shame.
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  It's just a word we use to manipulate the masses.
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  Praise God for allowing the reverend to come out there for a little bit and preaching.
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  Preach it.
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  I wish we had more time, Jim.
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  Um, thank you.
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  We're talking about Amago Day.
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  We're talking about the truth, the biblical and the universal truth that every human life
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  is created in his image and has value and is worth being protected and should be protected.
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  But, um, and we're fighting that battle.
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  I, I'm on the description of your book over on Amazon and I appreciate you staying in
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  the fight.
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  A lot of people, a lot of men with maybe, uh, weaker spines might have said, all right,
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  my office was bombed.
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  We're out.
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  You know, maybe just go on the cruise ship, the Christian cruise ship, but it, it says
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  to stand against systemic injustice requires courage and sacrifice.
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  Why should anyone want to risk that level of discomfort, unpopularity, pain, arson,
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  even death threats?
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  Why ought everyone everywhere be pro life?
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  We need to be, we need any eternal perspective in America's moral midnight to keep us focused
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  of view empowered by the light of Christ.
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  And now we're getting back to the spiritual foundation of things.
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  We are so far off, Jim, and that's what I think I want to get your take on.
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  So many people can justify murder because choice, because convenience, because I want
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  a career because whatever I'm young for whatever reason, because they don't have, they don't
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  value life, they don't have the biblical worldview.
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  But even in the church, there's a biblical illiteracy that we haven't seen before, even
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  in the pews and the comfy seats, whether that's the evangelical church or Catholic churches.
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  And that's why the left can get away with, like the press secretary of the White House
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  said, oh, Joe Biden's a committed Christian, and he'll be celebrating Easter with his family.
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  They get away with that because of our ignorance.
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  And also recently, Biden makes the sign of the cross at a pro-borsion, I guess, event
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  rallies, supporting abortion with the sign of the cross.
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  And then let me just read this to you, I'll get, I'll shut up, let you comment.
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  Catholic vote blasted Biden on Twitter saying this is vile.
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  And Biden makes the sign of the cross at an abortion rally in Florida.
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  You cannot be Catholic and support abortion.
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  You cannot invoke God and promote death.
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  Jim Harden, the only thing I will disagree with is the word cannot.
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  You can, because millions of people are Christian or Catholic and support abortion.
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  You should not be, if you believe the Bible in truth.
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  There are people that can, that they are, right?
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  Let's go ahead and share your thoughts.
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  Yeah, the problem that we're having right now with respect to the church and abortion
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  is that there's kind of a difficulty that the church has, they don't have a filter by
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  which, a theological filter by which to understand the biological problems that are coming
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  our way, constantly hitting us.
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  And so the politicians attempt to co-opt Catholicism or Christianity and say, hey, look, you can
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  be a Catholic or you can be a Christian and still be pro-abortion.
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  Samuel Harris as the abortions are, she's been going around saying you can keep your
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  Christian faith and principles while at the same time being pro-abortion and voting for
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  an abortion, pro-abortion candidate, she's trying to Christianize abortion.
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  And on the same thing here with Joe Biden doing the sign of the cross, he's trying to Catholicize
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  if you will, abortion.
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  And abortion is wrong always and everywhere, always has been.
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  God has, through the law, taught us that pre-born boys and girls are a class of person that
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  should be the most protected.
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  You see that in Lebedicus, you see that in Exodus.
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  If two men are fighting and they accidentally hit a woman and she causes her to miscarry,
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  then it's eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life.
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  Lex Talley on us.
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  That's pretty big.
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  That's a big deal.
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  And that was just an accident.
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  What happens if it's on purpose?
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  What happens if the injustice is being perpetrated on purpose and then celebrated?
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  Well, that's a whole new level of injustice and oppression that does is addressed in
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  scripture as well.
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  And you can see it through 1st and 2nd Kings, 1st and 2nd Chronicles, Jeremiah, Isaiah,
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  Ezekiel.
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  The worst thing, when evil matures to its ultimate, you'll find the society killing its own
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  children causing their sons and daughters to pass through the fire, the Bible calls it.
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  And that's what's happening in America today is being celebrated.
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  It is the greatest injustice in the history of mankind.
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  And Christians are the ones who are supposed to have the prophetic voice and the prophetic
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  action to speak against the injustice.
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  We understand what life and death is.
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  We understand what it means to be human and God is going to hold all governments accountable,
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  whether they believe but God or not, because Jesus Christ is the king of kings.
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  It's a very political position, by the way.
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  And by the way, Planned Parenthood has dwarfed what anything that Adal Hitler ever dreamed
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  to do.
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  And Planned Parenthood has dwarfed Molek, sacrificing babies to the God Molek and the Old Testament.
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  And here we are in America with our own Holocaust.
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  But before we let you go, Jim Harden, I forgot to ask you, did you ever get your security tapes
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  back that had someone I get, apparently it had someone that did the fire bombing and
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  you handed them over to, was it the police of the FBI, we just have a minute left.
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  Yeah, we handed those tapes over to the police to get going on it.
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  And the FBI got copies of it from the police.
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  We had to file a lawsuit against the police department to get our own evidence back so
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  we could give it to our private investigators to do the investigative work because the FBI
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  and DOJ weren't doing it.
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  So yeah, we got it back.
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  We won that lawsuit.
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  Thankfully, that was, you know, it's been quite an interesting ride, as you know, and it's
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  not over.
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  And we've got a long, long uphill climb ahead of us, but it's so important that we do
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  this work to save women and babies from evils of abortion.
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  Amen, brother.
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  And friends, right now you're watching, there's different people, I think, from five or
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  six countries across the country.
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  We hear from people pray for Jim Harden and Compass Care.
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  The website, again, is compasscarecommunity.com and compasscare.info.
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  The book on Amazon, are you pro-life for the right reasons?
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  Jim, we can't wait so long to get together and catch up again.
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  Hopefully there'll be some newer developments with some good news.
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  But thanks for your time today, sir.
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  God bless you.
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  God bless you too.
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  Thank you.
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  All right.
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  You're welcome.
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  Oh, my goodness.
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  It's a challenge to keep these two, a half hour or less friends, but hopefully it'll
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  make you want more and go check out some of the resources they have, especially if you
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  know someone that's in a crisis pregnancy or wants any information on abortion, the
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  pill, and anything else.
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  So go to the website there.
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  Thanks again.
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  That is Compass Care in New York.
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