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- 0:00Good morning. We are continuing.
- 0:01Kufzadi Khet, you're at, we are starting with Saif Al Ahmed.
- 0:06Just in case I don't remember exactly how I said it.
- 0:09Look at Heila. We certainly never we when if
- 0:14you have to hold somebody, he said that you have to make your
- 0:18hand wet right from the mikvah water or not right And then you
- 0:25hold her and then you you can hold the person that you need
- 0:29to. But la Cathila you at least as
- 0:32much as possible when she's actually dipping to be to for
- 0:36the Tavila not to touch her La Cathila, or at least lightly,
- 0:40but the EV in my stomach. Even if you hold tightly the
- 0:44counts, but that's certainly la Cathila.
- 0:46We do not want that. OK, then let's do lamad aynat
- 0:52srikala hadbiya raglea bishat tavila in Ayn shamtit.
- 0:57All right, so this is again continues the previous concept
- 1:02that we just mentioned. When a person is standing, so
- 1:05they have their entire weight, right, being held up by their
- 1:09legs, by their feet that are touching the floor.
- 1:12So where she's touching the floor, where she's standing, her
- 1:15feet are pressing on the floor. Is that a khatsitza?
- 1:19So we see clearly a person does not need to lift up her legs.
- 1:22She doesn't have to do like a little jump and a hop, swim
- 1:25around. That's not necessary unless
- 1:28there is teat, unless there's cement.
- 1:31Not not cement, not mud, sticky mud, clay, whatever it is.
- 1:35Again, that's a whole nother topic that we touched upon.
- 1:38We're going to touch upon it again, you know, just to say it.
- 1:42The shock points out Nisama, he writes, the Shokhonar says, I
- 1:46mean, if you read on, you will see, don't dip inside a mikvah
- 1:50that has mud. Again, it's a question, which
- 1:54mud? How sticky is it?
- 1:56When is it a problem? Is it loose mud?
- 1:58It runs away with the water. It's all Shiloh.
- 2:00It's discussed in the post game. It's not exactly clear.
- 2:03We try and be a mahamar for any mud, not to have any mud stick
- 2:07to us. OK.
- 2:08So therefore let's assume there's no mud over there.
- 2:12So it's a you know, normally when you go to the mikvah, it's
- 2:15tile, maybe there's cement, it's tile, whatever it is, that's
- 2:18normal alpha. That's the ideal of alpha P
- 2:21should duress it Al ha ritzpah, even though she is standing and
- 2:26there's she's pressing on the floor where she stands, there's
- 2:28the natural pressure of her weight aim Khan hatsitsa
- 2:32mupanesha hamayim makdimim lyra gleha because why the water went
- 2:38there first and there she walks into the mikvah.
- 2:41So where? So as soon as she starts walking
- 2:45in or jumping in, whatever the situation is, her feet are
- 2:49getting wet from the water of the mikvah.
- 2:52And therefore by the by the time she's standing, where, where at
- 2:56the place, where and when she's going to be dipping, her feet
- 3:01have already been completely soaked and wet.
- 3:04And therefore the water gets there between her feet and the
- 3:07floor before she dips and the water stays there and it's wet
- 3:11and there's a keyboard. There's a connection when she's
- 3:14dipping from the main mikvah to the water of the feet.
- 3:17Again, the shock will tell you you should.
- 3:20It should be water from the mikvah and the taz double S down
- 3:23in CF Lamid. And he says technically the
- 3:28water can be from anywhere. It can be from mine to Lucien.
- 3:31It could be water from anywhere in the world, could be from your
- 3:34tap, from the from the sink, whatever.
- 3:36It doesn't matter. From a bucket, it doesn't make a
- 3:38difference because she's dipping in a kosher mikva and therefore
- 3:43the water that's in between that's connected through Kibur
- 3:47is not that it could be from anywhere.
- 3:50And that's why the the lashan of the tour is MI lakhlukhit of
- 3:55water and the water of the and the the Shokhana uses the words
- 3:59water tour says moisture and again, and but it doesn't use
- 4:06the words in either place of Mae Mikva in between.
- 4:10Anyways, that's that same old mahoga chaktas.
- 4:14Let's go on to Lambert. Olive ain't olium Bakali.
- 4:19We are not. There's a zeraderabanan of
- 4:22dipping inside a clean inside a vessel.
- 4:25We know, but we're going to see there's two zeraderabanans and
- 4:29interesting enough, one of them you're yo SE bidyevid, one of
- 4:33them you're not. So pay attention to which is
- 4:35which one of the here I'll just speak out to the tubes eras.
- 4:38It'll be easier. The kids are there is we don't
- 4:42want people to think that you can be Taher become Taher from
- 4:48Tammy need whatever the situation is.
- 4:50You want to become Taher by going into the bathtub, going
- 4:54into a Merkaz. That's we don't want people to
- 4:57think going to a spa, a Jacuzzi. We don't want people to think
- 5:01that you could be, that you could be kosher, that you could
- 5:04be tower that way. The only way to be tower is by a
- 5:07kosher mikva. Theoretically.
- 5:10We know obviously you can make a kosher mikva mikva if you get,
- 5:15you know, rain water, whatever it is, into a pool or a bath.
- 5:19It has to be a kosher mikva. But there's Exerra Mechertzalt
- 5:22because the Mechertzalt would have generally speaking, Mayim
- 5:26Shuvim issues, whatever the whatever the issues are.
- 5:30So therefore, we don't want anyone to think you can be
- 5:33kosher. You can got, you can become
- 5:34kosher from a Merkhatz, stop Merkhatz even if it's not a
- 5:37kosher mikvah. And generally speaking, right, a
- 5:40bathtub and a swimming pool, we consider not kosher just so
- 5:43there's no confusion. So there's one zera.
- 5:46And so what's the zera? It's a din.
- 5:50You can't use a merkhatz to be kosher.
- 5:53The zera is even inside a kosher mikvah.
- 5:57That could be a lake, could be a ocean.
- 5:59You're not allowed to tovel at the moment.
- 6:03When you're tovel, you can't be inside a a Klee.
- 6:07Anything that's macabel tuma, any, any Klee that's macabel
- 6:11tuma. You can't be on it.
- 6:14You can't be standing it, even though you and the Klee are in a
- 6:18kosher mikvah. So obviously midori.
- 6:20So there's no problem, but there are goals there.
- 6:22MI dera banan. It's not going to work.
- 6:25OK. And on this one, we'll see.
- 6:27It's low Alta Tavila, video of it.
- 6:31It didn't work. Even if the clay is in the river
- 6:35now, river moving water we're going to get to later.
- 6:38The only way moving water is kosher is if it's from a spring.
- 6:43If it's rain water, it has to be basically Stillwater.
- 6:47It's called Ashbora and we're going to get there soon.
- 6:50OK, so good point. So that's OK.
- 6:53That's one zera. That's why it's a Zera.
- 6:56The other one that we're going to get to is you can't stand on
- 6:59an object that's small, a small platform smaller than dollar by
- 7:04dollar. Fuck him 4 by 4.
- 7:06Fuck him. A normal step.
- 7:09The depth right when you're walking down a step is I'm going
- 7:13to guess around 2. Fuck him right.
- 7:16If it's going to be 1 tefah, then it's going to be called too
- 7:19steep. And you know, you trip, you
- 7:21fall, but normal steps are round the depth of tooth talking.
- 7:25So that's a problem that that that depth.
- 7:29So anyway, so there's xera. You're not allowed to step on
- 7:33anything that the platform is too small because we're afraid
- 7:36she's going to fall again. I'm not sure.
- 7:41Yeah. Anyways, that's the xera.
- 7:44Was it more before an indoor mikvah?
- 7:46Was it more for an outdoor mikvah?
- 7:47Whatever the situation is, there used to be a problem that if the
- 7:51platform is too small and a woman is on it, she's afraid
- 7:54she's going to fall. Again.
- 7:56I don't know. You know, she's going to fall.
- 7:58I don't know, 6 feet, she's going to call fall. 1 foot.
- 8:01I'm not exactly sure what the issue was, you know, is it a,
- 8:04you know, like you said, a moving river, an ocean?
- 8:07Whatever the situation was, if it's she's on standing on a
- 8:12small platform, she's afraid she's going to fall.
- 8:16Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're standing in the mikvah.
- 8:19Let's say you're standing on an the upsides, the you're standing
- 8:23on a bucket, the buckets upside down and you're standing on a
- 8:25bucket or you're standing on a step.
- 8:28Let's say it moves. We're going to see probably it's
- 8:31a problem even if it's movable. I mean, if even if it's kavua,
- 8:36even if it's welded or anchored down or nailed down, whatever it
- 8:40is. But you're on a step and it's,
- 8:44and any step you're it's completely and you're completely
- 8:47in the water. So of course, meteorite said
- 8:50it's 100% closer your your tower because you were in the Nikola.
- 8:54However, you're standing on something that's less than 4 by
- 8:584 and there's a Kashash. You're going to fall.
- 9:02Whatever the Kashash is, you're going to fall.
- 9:05Does it bother you a lot or not? There is a dangerous place, not
- 9:08dangerous place. I don't know exactly.
- 9:09The McCourt, they were worried, but they're afraid you're going
- 9:12to fall on some level. And so what's the problem if
- 9:15you're going to fall? This is really what it is.
- 9:17She's going to be nervous and anxious and she might not dip
- 9:21correctly. She might keep part of her body
- 9:24out of the water. Whatever the situation is.
- 9:27If she's afraid she's going to fall, the dipping might not be
- 9:31complete and done properly. So that's the xera.
- 9:34If you're on some a small surface, you might not get, you
- 9:37might not be dipped properly. Fine.
- 9:40So now let's read it inside two different Xeras.
- 9:44And so we have to be worried about both Once.
- 9:50Yeah, fine. I'll read it first.
- 9:52Ain't Tobin Bakalim. You cannot dip while you're
- 9:54standing inside a cleat. Lafiha E Mayatit, the Malcolm
- 9:59Shitto valet. If you're going to dip in a
- 10:02place and it's muddy, right? So you don't.
- 10:04We don't want you to touch the mud.
- 10:06But then it's going to stick to you and be a hatsitza.
- 10:08So you have to step on something else or don't go there.
- 10:13So what do you do? So one option, So you say like
- 10:15this, in order to avoid it, you might want to step on a cleave.
- 10:18So he says, wait, LO TA Aman al Gabe Cleates don't step on a
- 10:24cleave made of wood shimacabling tuma.
- 10:27That's macabre tuma migavan even from the backside, right?
- 10:34It's a problem if you're standing in this direction of
- 10:39where it's the backside. Yeah.
- 10:44Amiga van villo algabe nasarim shuratulim le midrasot and even
- 10:49a plank of wood which is set aside to use for, I don't know,
- 10:54for a bed or a seat sometime. OK, this is a whole discussion.
- 10:59We're not going to get into it. Flat pieces of wood that have
- 11:05not been created to be put into a into A to put things inside of
- 11:11it could become a Kabul tuma if it's can be used as like a
- 11:16mattress or like a board for something for lying and sitting
- 11:19on. OK, we'll leave it at that.
- 11:24We're not doing Hokos tumantara here.
- 11:26Veloa Gabe Nassar. I'm sure that we just said Velo
- 11:30al shum Kali hara le midras or any kind of a Kali that's
- 11:34appropriate for lying on. In other words, even if it's
- 11:38flat, right? That's the the fetish.
- 11:40Any clue? That's macabo tuma vetitpa and
- 11:43to be to be to do tavila while you're standing on it.
- 11:47Mishum gazzerat merharts out because of xera of the bath
- 11:51houses. Fine shall calium shall calium,
- 11:57because they used to have bath houses with calium and they
- 12:02would pour water into there as a as a tub and the water was
- 12:06poured in there. And and that tub is a cleat,
- 12:09right? We're not talking about the
- 12:10Kaylee, the bathtub, which is made out of the ground.
- 12:17OK, so then Avra Vitavla. So then she if she went into a
- 12:23mikvah, sorry, she went into a kosher mikvah and she was
- 12:27standing on top of a a bucket or something wood, whatever
- 12:33material that is macabre tuma vid tavla.
- 12:37She was she was told on something that's macabre tuma.
- 12:40So then is lo alta la Tvila, right?
- 12:43So even with the evid, it wasn't kosher.
- 12:48And the shock points out this is even if it's a big bucket or a
- 12:52big Cle, that's again, we're talking about a cleosmicabo
- 12:56tuma, maybe plastic is not, that's a discussion.
- 13:00But for this Salafa, even if it's has a, it's wide enough
- 13:04that it's 4x4 at the bottom surface of the, the bucket is
- 13:09wider than 4 by 4 so we don't violate the other Gazeira we're
- 13:13about to get to. And even if it's stuck to the
- 13:17ground and it's not movable, so that's also not going to be even
- 13:24in that case because it has a din of Akui and it's macabre
- 13:28tumor. The the Tavila, she was not
- 13:32yelled say the Tavila lo altola. So what do you do?
- 13:45Take, I don't know, Twigs, Leaves.
- 13:49Find them from the floor. Some kind of twigs, some kind of
- 13:51a bed of straw. Whatever it is, you find them,
- 13:54gather them, throw it down on the surface of the bottom of the
- 13:58river. I guess that has to be heavy
- 14:00enough not to float away, so straw probably wouldn't work.
- 14:03Whatever it is, you get some little something insignificant
- 14:10that you could throw down on the floor that's not macabatuma and
- 14:13you stand on that so you don't get mud on your feet to create a
- 14:17Khatziza. OK, let's go on the Hein low
- 14:22Tama Gabe Cliche Harris. You also can't be on a cliche
- 14:26Harris and not we're going to see if you're on a cliche Harris
- 14:33is generally an issue of tuma from the inside, not the
- 14:39outside. So what if you want to take out
- 14:41a bucket of ceramics, a bowl of ceramics and turn it upside
- 14:46down? So the inside we said is a
- 14:48problem of and it even better. You have it because it's Zerat
- 14:52mehrzad. But what about a cleetheres you
- 14:56turn upside down? So then it's OK.
- 15:00We didn't a clea macabo tuma, the Zerat and the Merharzad, but
- 15:04he also says Velo adabe bikat and don't stand on top of like a
- 15:09board or a beam or something. Also, again, even if it's not
- 15:15here, we're again, we're talking about a situation where it's not
- 15:17macabo tuma because it's a as a block, It's a, it's a, it's a
- 15:21log. It has, it's not going to help
- 15:23you. It's it's not macabo tuma yet.
- 15:25It's not, it's not a clear, there's no inside surface of the
- 15:29wood and it's not flat for A to use to lie on.
- 15:33So it's not macabo tuma, but you're standing on something a
- 15:37surface that's right above the ground.
- 15:40It's not flat. It's not indented in the ground
- 15:43and it's and it's and it's less than 4 by 4.
- 15:46It's Falcon. So here's that second zero.
- 15:49So don't stand on it. Vititbo.
- 15:52And to make that year a Tefila. Yeah, Fabisha in cliche Harris
- 15:56Matame Migabo, even though cliche Harris Namatame from the
- 15:58outside Velora oil and midras and you can't lie on it.
- 16:03Hashash Hakamim who there's a hashash of Hakamim Shema tihad.
- 16:09She depending on you know, where she is, which kind of a mikvah.
- 16:13Outdoors she is she lotipo, she might fall the lotipo Kara and
- 16:19therefore right. Maybe it's a deep mikvah and she
- 16:21can't swim. Whatever the situation is, they
- 16:25made a zera not to dip on such a item, even if it's not Mikabel
- 16:31tuma, because she might fall off the latifah correctly and then
- 16:35she won't do so because of that, she won't dip properly.
- 16:39However, in this zera avravitava Gabe Aylu, I'll tell at villa
- 16:46that's Villa works. Bidi evid right.
- 16:48This was less severe for Khazal, so they said Bidi evid, this one
- 16:52works. OK, let's go on.
- 16:55Well, if he's and make the Sheesh Boschli vote.
- 16:59So right, make sure we hope we understood all that clearly.
- 17:03The next bit is going to be a little bit confusing, but let's
- 17:07let's read on just a tiny bit. But it's a drop under the post
- 17:11schema trying to make exact sense and piece to pieces
- 17:14together. Part of it's a little bit
- 17:17confusing. So let's see Ulafisa.
- 17:20OK, based on this that we what we just established Mikva
- 17:24Sheesh, Bashli vote if there's a perush madre goat.
- 17:29If you have steps to going into the Mikva shell eights and it's
- 17:33made-up of wooden steps. EM tavla agave a Schli vote if
- 17:39you were toville on the Schli vote a feel.
- 17:42Hey, Miku barium Lakota Mikva. Even if they're bound to the
- 17:48right nailed into the wall and I it's got a whole whatever it is,
- 17:55it's a it's a set of wooden staircase, right?
- 17:58Or it could be along the wall and you have these steps.
- 18:02Lo alta la tavila Dibshute creates him.
- 18:06So it's the mikvah. You were not you would say
- 18:08because we're talking about the case is we're talking about
- 18:13creates that are macabre tuma either they were once used for a
- 18:18cleave and it's an interesting long shot of the year.
- 18:24I don't want to summarize the whole thing, but basically we're
- 18:27talking about I guess I'll summarize real short.
- 18:30We're talking about steps that it's a problem, but the IT would
- 18:36be a problem. But the evid if they are macabo
- 18:38tuma, how could it be macabo tuma?
- 18:40They were once part of a cleave and now you you just you use
- 18:44them and it's the whole Shiloh. What's the case?
- 18:49That's still macabo tuma that it's a problem, but the evid.
- 18:52But let's say maybe it's still part of a cleave and it didn't
- 18:55lose its tumor status. Macabo tumor status and it's or
- 19:02it's pieces of wood that are Rauli to use for a midras like
- 19:08to lie on or sit on. So therefore it's macabre
- 19:12whatever the case is and therefore you wouldn't be you'd
- 19:16say even Bedi of it. If it's only an issue of Dalid,
- 19:20it's not dalid by Dalid. So then it's also a problem
- 19:25having steps, at least to be toville on steps is a problem
- 19:31because generally speaking, our steps are not dollar by dollar
- 19:364x4, right area 4 by 4. So therefore we're afraid if
- 19:41she's going to start dipping on steps or on a ladder, she might
- 19:45fall off. So that's a 0 on a you can't do.
- 19:49But the evidence works if it's so it's depending on what the
- 19:52situation is. But but bottom line, generally
- 19:56speaking, 1 cannot do their mikvah dipping when they're on a
- 19:59ladder for again, if it's a ladder Mamish, it could be
- 20:03there, you know, like a loose ladder that we have.
- 20:06It could be a problem even. But you have it because it's
- 20:09Mikabo Tuma, depending on what the case is.
- 20:14But to climb in and out of a ladder or steps, that's not a
- 20:18problem because the dipping is going to be when you're inside
- 20:21the mikvah when you're not standing on the ladder.
- 20:24OK, let's continue reading. But sorry, la sot bincoman
- 20:28madriga sha a volume. So if you want to have steps
- 20:32into the mikvah, if you want to be on them steps when you're
- 20:37dipping, make sure it's made-up of stone that's not in the
- 20:41cobble. Tuma and the postgame say it's
- 20:43possible, depending on the situation, to take planks of
- 20:47wood from a from a hardware store that are not appropriate
- 20:51for a midras and were never used for a cleave before.
- 20:54To take raw materials so that the shock says you are allowed
- 20:58to do. Doesn't have to be stone.
- 21:01I just can't be creates. That's raela macabo tuma, so ask
- 21:06the but OK. But yeah, Madriga rehaba arba
- 21:10and make sure that there's stone steps.
- 21:12If you want to dip on the steps, make sure your stone steps are 4
- 21:16by 4. It's for him and Mac.
- 21:18So you have makkal Manaka Teregel enough place to put your
- 21:23feet. Kadeshiya he Bashir makkal
- 21:26enough big enough label to fahed lipo what Kaddashi bashi or I
- 21:36have Shi or Mako, I have Mako. Niko doesn't make sense over
- 21:40here because of course we're talking about a kosher Mako.
- 21:42We're talking about you need a proper platform.
- 21:45That's the whole sieve. So anyways, I have Malcolm and
- 21:48that that's I think the only Nosak that would fit fine.
- 21:55So there's a whole discussion. The shock.
- 21:57He quotes Sarov, who was very much who spoke up against, very
- 22:00much vehemently against Mikvos in Europe.
- 22:03There are apparently there are many Mikvos in Europe.
- 22:06I think it was Europe, He quotes.
- 22:08It's the Aterezav actually. I don't know where I'm assuming,
- 22:11but wherever it is, he made a whole tumult against the mikvos
- 22:17that had were built with a wooden platform on the bottom.
- 22:20I guess the floor was built out of wood and he was very much
- 22:24against it because of our sieve or this halacha.
- 22:28So the question is, wait, if you end up with a bunch of boards
- 22:32and the whole surface becomes bigger than 4 by 4.
- 22:36And they were never macabre tuma from the first place.
- 22:39So then there are many postgame who say, who argued on his, on
- 22:44his position against all these mikvos that thousands and
- 22:50thousands of women have been using for, I don't know,
- 22:53hundreds of years or whatever it is decades or hundreds.
- 22:57So so there are many postgame who spoke up against his
- 23:01position and his complaint such as you called Samaram Padua and
- 23:06others that say there's no problem.
- 23:08And because we're talking about chute Cle eights that are not
- 23:11macabul tuma and he quotes he he shows clearly from the Rashba.
- 23:16Of course we're talking about creates that were macabo tuma,
- 23:19and that's also going you're going to see that from the next
- 23:22sief maybe. But he says it's mashma from the
- 23:25sholkhanora, or at least for sure the shots says that's the
- 23:27kavana, the Sholkhanora, that there's no problem with making a
- 23:31wooden. Again, a ladder is a problem,
- 23:35but there's no problem with make building your whole floor made
- 23:38out of wood. But then I just want to point
- 23:41out the end of the Shah. It's a nice Shah.
- 23:43He quotes from the Maharami Lublin and he says the vadai in
- 23:48Le Chenote minhag shaloh lahot si la zala rishoni.
- 23:53Now, even if you're going to tell me it's a Mahogas, if
- 23:56that's what the custom has been for decades and hundreds of
- 24:00years for thousands and thousands of women across the
- 24:03countries or the do not be Mozi laws, it's a very important
- 24:08lesson. We should not be Mozi laws on
- 24:11what others do, especially Kahila's.
- 24:15The minhub, however, he then says though, but if you're going
- 24:19to do a she puts on the mikvah or you're being asked and
- 24:22consulted how to build a mikvah La Kakila, then don't use what
- 24:26because you want to make sure you're you'd say this is the two
- 24:29things I want to bring out. It's very important whenever you
- 24:32can to make to always be it to be you should make your mikvah
- 24:37that's shera aliba da culi alma, whether it's for yourself or
- 24:41Shalom make something that works for everybody.
- 24:44You know, you can make a kosher kitchen, try and don't make it
- 24:47just kosher for you and your rabbi.
- 24:50Try and make it that's more inclusive for others or anything
- 24:52you do should always be where you're for yourself.
- 24:55Also, though, in in general, again, depends how much tyraca
- 24:58and how much it costs, but it's an important principle.
- 25:00He points out. Take Shira aliba de El Kasa and
- 25:03also the Gomorrah points out from the from the hill Misha, I
- 25:06believe mihioto alti Karera. Whenever you can, it's good to
- 25:09be Mahmir if it's not at a you know, at an expense of something
- 25:12else.