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The Boozing Barber - Gilbert Paul Jordan · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We all love to have fun, and for some of
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  Speaker 1: the strange faces we meet along the way. But imagine
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  Speaker 1: your neck. He's forcing a bottle of vodka down your
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  Speaker 1: Question, Hey, how's it going.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you are listening to Wicked.
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  Speaker 1: And Grim, a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 1: This is the second time we're filming this recording recording,
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  Speaker 2: Weird.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so basically Ben's mike wasn't on and we were
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  Speaker 1: almost halfway through recording, so this is DejaVu.
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  Speaker 2: So what's up, guys for the second time for this episode,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've never done that before, so I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: The funny thing, too, is I was not drinking the
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  Speaker 1: first case or the first recording, and now I am.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fitting. Yeah, So anyways, we should go back
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  Speaker 2: to what we were talking about at the last time
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  Speaker 2: we recorded the intro, which.
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  Speaker 1: Was Happy Mother's Day.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Mother's Day to all the badass moms out there
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  Speaker 1: I hope it was like the best day ever.
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  Speaker 2: The absolute most bestest day ever.
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  Speaker 1: We celebrated about having Margarita's.
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  Speaker 2: Margarita's Mother's Day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, your mom loves tequila.
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  Speaker 2: He loves tequila. That makes her sound like an alcoholic.
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  Speaker 2: She's not.
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  Speaker 1: She's not.
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  Speaker 2: She's borderline.
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  Speaker 1: No, she might listen to this, be careful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this mom is, uh, we're calling you out.
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  Speaker 2: This is what's that? What's it called when you go
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  Speaker 2: What it's called? Intervention?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yeah, you know. We get her up. What
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  Speaker 2: Patron?
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  Speaker 1: Patron? Like not even once a year and she's still like,
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  Speaker 1: she just finished the first one we got her, so
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  Speaker 1: she she saves it er that is not an alcoholic.
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  Speaker 2: No, by no means no. But she does love tequila.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she loves her margarita's.
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  Speaker 2: On a not so positive note, a little more of
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  Speaker 2: a negative note, what she got So we were all
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  Speaker 2: we all know, well not everyone, but a real headliner
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  Speaker 2: in the true crime news recently is Meade Lake. Which
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  Speaker 2: is that body that was found in the barrel?
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  Speaker 1: Yikes? They found another one yikes?
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  Speaker 2: Which actually I should go over to Instagram and give
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  Speaker 1: Out that yeah, because I had heard the one and
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  Speaker 1: that there was another body found.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Mandy was the one who sent it to us.
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  Speaker 2: I should have known that. So Mandy Madson, who is
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  Speaker 2: a fit angel Mama nine to twelve on Instagram, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she sent us the link for us to find out
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  Speaker 2: that there has been another body discovered in the lake.
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  Speaker 2: So the lake's like super receding because it's like drought
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  Speaker 2: like crazy. Right now, I've got an article here from
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  Speaker 2: CNN written by Rachel Ramirez and Michelle Watson, which is
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  Speaker 2: the article that we were sent. I'm going to read
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  Speaker 2: it here so you guys can get caught up on
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  Speaker 2: what's going on on Lake please do so. More human
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  Speaker 2: remains were found at Lake Mead over the weekend, less
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  Speaker 2: than a week after a body in a barrel was
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  Speaker 2: discovered at the reservoir. National Park Service rangers responded to
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  Speaker 2: a call on Saturday afternoon that reported the remains in
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  Speaker 2: Calvill Bay. The Clark County Medieval Nope Medical Examiner is
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  Speaker 2: assisting with determining the cause of death, according to the NPS,
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  Speaker 2: which said there is no further information available at this time.
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  Speaker 2: It was the second set of human remains found at
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  Speaker 2: Lake Mead, the count country's largest reservoir, as water levels plunged.
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  Speaker 2: The first body discovered was on May first, was likely
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  Speaker 2: the murder victim who died from a gunshot wound quote
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  Speaker 2: sometime in the mid seventies to early eighties, based on
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  Speaker 2: clothing and footwear that the victim was found.
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  Speaker 1: With wild So yeah, I mean when they found that
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  Speaker 1: first body in the barrel, they did anticipate that they
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  Speaker 1: would be finding more. Yeah, so, and they called it.
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  Speaker 2: People are kind of holding their breath thinking that more
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  Speaker 2: to come.
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  Speaker 1: Still, Oh my gosh, let's not drain the ocean. Lord
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  Speaker 1: knows what we'll find in there.
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  Speaker 2: We will find Dexter's stash.
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  Speaker 1: Every time we have a chance to bring up Dexter, Man,
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  Speaker 1: we're just.
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  Speaker 2: Going to because dex is the shit.
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  Speaker 1: That's so just yeah, he's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: And we're not talking about Dexter's lab, although Dexter's lab
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  Speaker 2: is fucking dope. That Dexter's pretty cool to.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about Dexter Morgan.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I know, but Dexter's lab is also Okay, Dexter's
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  Speaker 2: mom like Dexter's lab his mom. Yeah, super thick, super hot,
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  Speaker 2: just say it.
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  Speaker 1: Good Lord, Okay, we're talking about Gilbert now, sorry, Gilbert
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  Speaker 1: Paul Jordan. Okay, okay, you're good with that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good with that. Let's talk about Gilbert Paul.
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  Speaker 1: Jordan, also known as the Boos and Barber the Boos
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  Speaker 1: and Barber, the Boos, and which will make sense to
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  Speaker 1: you all soon enough.
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  Speaker 2: It's like some Sweeney Todd shit. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm going to start. I also want to say, like,
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  Speaker 1: my intro for this week was freaking epic.
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  Speaker 2: It was seriously well done.
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  Speaker 1: Snaps to me, is that a thing? Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: not do that something?
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  Speaker 2: We are too tight?
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, let's let's let's go back on track. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm starting this case off slightly different. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to read out a police issued alert that went out
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  Speaker 1: on February third of two thousand and five by the
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  Speaker 1: Sanich Police Department. And Sanich is a city on Vancouver
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  Speaker 1: Island for anyone that doesn't know. The alert was to
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  Speaker 1: warn the public to be cautious of a recently released
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  Speaker 1: individual and it went as follows. Gilbert Paul Jordan, age
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  Speaker 1: seventy three, is the subject of this alert. Jordan is
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  Speaker 1: five nine and weighs one hundred and seventy four pounds.
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  Speaker 1: He is partially bald, with gray hair and a grey
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  Speaker 1: go tea. He has blue eyes and wears glasses. Jordan
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  Speaker 1: is currently in the Victoria area but has no fixed address.
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  Speaker 1: Jordan has a significant criminal record, including handslaughter and indecent
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  Speaker 1: assault of a female. He uses alcohol to lure his victims.
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  Speaker 1: Jordan's target victim group is adult females. Jordan is subject
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  Speaker 1: to court ordered conditions including abstain absolutely from the consumption
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  Speaker 1: of alcohol, not to be in the company of any
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  Speaker 1: female person or persons in any place where alcohol is
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  Speaker 1: being either consumed or possessed by that person or persons.
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  Speaker 1: If you observe the subject in violation of any of
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  Speaker 1: the above conditions, please call the Sandwich Police Department or
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  Speaker 1: nine to one to one.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he sounds like a real piece of shit.
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  Speaker 1: He's a winner, winner and a half.
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  Speaker 2: I maybe not even close to.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's shit, he's shit, he's nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we're just those old two old guys
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  Speaker 2: in the Muppets, like whoa, that was great, it was awesome,
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  Speaker 2: it was alright, and it was okay. Well there's some
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  Speaker 2: discossed bad thing. It's just like all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: they're just booing the person, you know, Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: So I have to say though, first off, seventy three, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is wild to me to have an alert like
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  Speaker 1: that sent out. No kidding about you, like whoa.
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  Speaker 2: At seventy three, I'm just gonna be feeding ducks and
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  Speaker 2: probably illegally fishing in a park in a pond or something.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you already do that.
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  Speaker 2: Sh just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't, okay. And if an alert of that
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  Speaker 1: matter is sent out, should maybe perhaps that person not
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  Speaker 1: be just like locked in jail? You would think, like,
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  Speaker 1: I actually don't get that alert whatsoever. It makes no
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  Speaker 1: sense to me. Yeah, this whole case makes no sense.
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  Speaker 2: When was that alert sent out? Sorry?
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  Speaker 1: Two thousand and five.
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  Speaker 2: Two thousand and five, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Two thousand and five. So I just feel like, if
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  Speaker 1: an alert has to be so just keep the person
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  Speaker 1: in jail, for the love of God, please, Okay. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to go through Gilbert's life and how it
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  Speaker 1: came to be that an alert warning the public was
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  Speaker 1: issued regarding him. Gilbert was born on December twelfth, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: thirty one, in Vancouver, BC, the second son to be
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  Speaker 1: born to Jack and Winnifred Elsie. His brother's name was Bud.
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  Speaker 2: Little ditty about Jack and Winnifred Elsie.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, we are too tired.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Around the time Gilbert and Bud's parents were separate or
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  Speaker 1: holy shit, wow. Around the time Gilbert and Bud's parents
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  Speaker 1: were separating, Gilbert dropped out of school in grade eight,
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  Speaker 1: though their mother was still very much so a part
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  Speaker 1: of the boy's life, they lived mostly with their father
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  Speaker 1: growing up. It was said this was the case because
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  Speaker 1: the boys wanted to stay in Vancouver to continue their education,
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  Speaker 1: because as far as I know, the mom moved to
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  Speaker 1: the island, and that their father made more money. Gilbert's
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  Speaker 1: brother Bud said Gilbert was always closer to their mom.
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  Speaker 1: He also mentioned an article that he wasn't aware of
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  Speaker 1: any traumatic events that could have made Gilbert the way
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  Speaker 1: he was.
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  Speaker 2: Huh okay, Yeah, So most cases it's usually like there's
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  Speaker 2: some history, but in this case, there's no indicating history
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  Speaker 2: to point towards his future actions.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's one interesting noteworthy tippit, and that was that
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  Speaker 1: the mother was a devote Methodist who did not believe
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  Speaker 1: in the consumption of alcohol. Not a drop of booze
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  Speaker 1: was allowed in the house.
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  Speaker 2: That seems like some fucking foreshadowing right there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because I'm just thinking like, sometimes when you're not
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  Speaker 1: allowed something, it almost like makes you want it more, right,
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  Speaker 1: Oh exactly. So if Gilbert phoned his mother while intoxicated,
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  Speaker 1: she would hang up on him like I'm not fucking
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  Speaker 1: talking to you. And Gilbert's alcohol stem back to his
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  Speaker 1: teenage years. His brother stated he was probably an alcoholic
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  Speaker 1: by the time he was twenty.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, twenty's not like unreasonable to have something like that,
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  Speaker 2: not that that's a good thing or like I'm aiming
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  Speaker 2: and saying that, Oh yeah, you know, twenty year olds
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  Speaker 2: are all alcoholics. But I mean when you get to
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  Speaker 2: that age, it's like alcohol is a new thing and
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  Speaker 2: you're exploring it. Kids drink a lot. I certainly know
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: around here where we were, in a northern city where
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: there's nothing to fucking do, a lot of kids that
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: age are just partying hard.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like on the weekend and not like devouring
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: a bottle of vodka every fucking day.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: There's a that's debatable.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: There's a difference.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I know some people like that or new.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Okay. Anyway. His lengthy, lengthy, oh criminal record started in
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty when Gilbert was only eighteen years old. He
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: was sentenced to twelve months in jail for the conviction
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: of theft, and it didn't get much better from there.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Throughout the nineteen fifties, his rap sheet would include breaking
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: and entering theft and numerous more auto thefts.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Cool, so he's just a big old bag of dicks.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Yep, sweet, like you don't even know. You don't even know.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Actually, I've been halfway through this case with you already,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: so well, actually I do know a little bit.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I do. Oh yeah, we're god already.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Wait, we didn't get much further than this.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: We got quite a bit further than this. In nineteen
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: sixty one, Gilbert had a more serious charge against him
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: for the abduction of a five year old Indigenous girl.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. See that fucking gets me. That's that's fucking trash.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: He was found in a gravel pit by police with
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the girl in his car. He got off the charge
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: after a stay of proceedings was entered.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Which is fucking bullshit. You abduct a five year old.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Girl and it's just like that's wild.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely absurd, it's absurd.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Like that's just it's disgusting. Actually, yeah, like that's just
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: whoa like.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I yeah, sorry, I just you know how I am
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: when it's like law enforcement just looks the other way
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: and lets shit go. I know, like that that's what
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: fucking gets to me.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Well, have fun with this one, this case.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure I will.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: The following years, he would be convicted of more theft
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: public intoxication.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, are you gonna explain this now? Why you're laughing?
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Because the whole time when we were recording last time,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I kept just saying intoxification, Like what is intoxification? Like,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I literally could not say intoxication.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: It's because you're intoxificated.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: When I wasn't. I was drinking water, but intoxific Now
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: that I've had soups of wine, I can say it. Okay, logic,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: public intoxication after holding up traffic on the Lion Lionsgate
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Bridge and threatening to jump off the.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Bridge, It'll let him.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Robbery, assault causing bodily harm, contempt of court after addressing
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the magistrate with a Nazi salute, d bag and rape.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: He never seemed to serve much time for any of
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: these incidents. Charges would either be withdrawn, acquitted, or he'd
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: serve a very short sentence in jail, like it is
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: infuriating what this guy gets away with, no kidding. From
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five to nineteen eighty eight, he would be
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: linked to the deaths of upward of ten women, but
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: was only ever convicted for one of them.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And that again, absolute fucking bullshit.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we will be definitely going into more detail with
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: that his victims were Indigenous women of Vancouver's downtown east Side.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Now we talked a bit about the downtown Vancouver's east
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Side when we are covering in the Robert Picton case.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: But to refresh your memory, it essentially an area of
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Vancouver that has been heavily stricken with drug addiction, overdoses, poverty, sex,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: work disease, mental illness. It is unfortunately not a very
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: safe area, which I mean.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Of course, first and foremost, it's absolutely a shame that
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the individuals in the area are going through that sort
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: of lifestyle and that sort of poverty. But then like
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the secondary note that doesn't generally get talked about a
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: whole lot is like that area of Vancouver. It's absolutely beautiful.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You drive through there, it's a nice area. I mean,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: of course, other than the poverty that's President's and that
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff. Yeah President not President. So you're looking
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: at a nice city with beautiful history and architecture and
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff in the area. So you
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: have people and the city that's just seeing hard times
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: and falling, and it's just an absolute shame.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's like to drive down the areas got wrenching,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: really is. Robert's victim count was much higher than Gilbert's,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: but they preyed on women in the same neighborhood and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the poor women in the area. With Robert's reign of
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: terror and Gilbert's their time slightly overlapped, so Robert's acts
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: were from nineteen seventy eight to two thousand and one
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and Gilbert's nineteen sixty five to nineteen eighty eight. So really,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: like a lot of these women just didn't stand a chance.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is just like classic British Columbia, because there's
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Indigenous women going missing left, right and fucking center for
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: whatever the reasons are, and the RCMP just look the
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: other way.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because really, when I said, like these women didn't
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: send a chance, I never even said that anything to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: do with like the bias that the police had and
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: like letting these serial killers get away with what they
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: were getting away with for so fucking long. Yeah, like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that is long stints of time. Gilbert's mo would be
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that he'd typically find women in bars, buy them drinks,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: pay them for sex, and encourage them to continually drink
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: with him. When they passed out from the alcohol consumption,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: they already consumed, Gilbert would essentially pour more booze down
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: their throats, resulting in extreme alcohol poisoning, and being that
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the majority of his victims suffered from alcoholism, a reported
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: death with this cause didn't get the attention from the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: placer required or deserved.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Just turning a blind eye and using that as their
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: fucking cover.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, you look at the Highway of Tears. It's like, oh,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: these transient type women who go missing, Well, of course
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: they're going to go missing because they're out there hitch
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: hiking and stuff, and they'll show up eventually. They just
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: turn that fucking blind eye. So these women, it's like, oh,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: they're alcoholics. Of course they're going to die of alcoholism.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: It's like, not necessarily.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And meanwhile, there's these free, nasty motherfuckers out there that
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: are just like taking advantage.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, we have to praying on that wholeheart of it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they know that they're just probably gonna get
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: away with it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Although the newspapers often described the women as sex workers,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: not all were involved in sex in sex work. The
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: first women known to have died in Gilbert's company from
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: alcohol poisoning was in nineteen sixty five. A switchboard operator
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: named Ivy Rose Alswald, who was found naked and dead
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: in a Vancouver hotel. Her blood alcohol level was point
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: five one.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: That is ridiculous, like fucking holy.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Shit, So to exaggerate on that, I mean, I wasn't
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure, like what exactly that meant? So
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: sober like zero right, legally intoxicate and here we go
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and is point zero eight? So meani, it's still legal
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: for you to drive. And that number though, could be
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: different in like other areas that don't be like oh,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: waken Ingraham, they said, it's point zero eight.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, check your local laws before you go drinking and
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: driving or just don't drink, don't.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So very impaired is point zero eight two point
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: forty and this blood alcohol level you may have difficulty walking, speaking,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: me reading. Other symptoms may include confusion, nausea, and drowsiness.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And then above point four percent you are at risk
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: for serious complications. At this blood alcohol level you may
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: be at risk for coma or death. Like that is
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: freaking high.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was like a full percent of higher.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So she at point five to one was more
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: than six times the legal limit for impaired driving like
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: above crazy, which is a lot? Yeah, a lot?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: It's how much a lot?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Oh? I was just like you want me to go back.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: No charges were laid against Gilbert for the death of
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Ivy Rose. The coroner's and CA inquery done on the
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: body reported recent bruises on Ivy Roses, scalp, rose or nose. Sorry,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: there's lights outside that just really creeped me out. But
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: hopefully it's just someone driving by. Hopefully we don't get
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: accepted by aliens.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: What I don't know.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I just saw like flashing lights as trying to someone
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: driving by.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: How much have you had to drink? Is that? Like?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: What is in that cup?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I've had like two SIPs of old wine.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: How old is that wine? Okay, it's not wine, it's
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: just vodka.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Okay. So anyway, this poor woman had recent bruises on
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: her scalp, nose, lips, and chin, but they were considered superficial.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: There was no evidence of violence or suspicion of foul play.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: In fact, Gilbert was in the room and the one
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: who reported Ivy Roses deceased the morning he was found
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: with many of Ivy Rose's belongings. I don't know if
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: it was due to the fact of him just being
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: in her room or if he had actually had some
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of her belongings like stowed away. But a charge of
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: theft was considered, but later to be dean Or determined
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: there was insufficient evidence, and Gilbert was released.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Insufficient evidence.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like, if you're
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: in the room with someone who had died with that
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: high of levels, I mean like, I don't know.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Playing Devil's advocate here, good luck proving that he forced
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: booze down someone's throat though.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, that's the that's the problem.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: So the only thing to come of this incident was
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Gilbert essentially learning how to get away with murder d
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: d D. He wouldn't strike again in this way, however,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: for many years. Shortly after Ivy murder, Gilbert actually went
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: through the process to change his last name. His last
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: name was Elsie, and he had changed it to Jordan.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: He did this due to the embarrassment that his him
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: having the last name of Elsie was causing his family.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I'd be embarrassed to be fucking related to.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: This guy too, yep, And some say that would also
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: be the reason he didn't commit another murder for some time,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: but he was also busy starting a career as a
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: barber and getting married in nineteen seventy two. He actually
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: married a Prince George woman.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: And here's where it gets close to home. That's our city.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: So when I first read Prince George, I had no
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: idea there was any correlation to this case. I had
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: a total Will Smith moment, and I was like, keep
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: my city's name out of your fucking mouth. Wow, that
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: was actually went through my city, not or my brain.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, this's mad.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: You're just like, I'm just gonna just bit slap this
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: whole fucking article.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to be involved.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Wow, he's just gonna pulk fucking Will Smith Chris Rock,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I see which I'm out.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: But I honestly had no idea that he lived in
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Prince George for for a period of time, and he
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: racked up even more charges in and around the area,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: including but not limited to indecent exposure in Mackenzie in
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: October of nineteen seventy three. You're good.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just reminded me like those the like the
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: medicine commercials you see on TV. Where it's like so
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: and so experimental medicine side effects may and clue but
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: not limited to, nausea, vomiting, shitting yourself like falling asleep,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: or you walk like dying Like Jesus.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have away with words, so in decent exposure
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: in Mackenzie in October of nineteen seventy three. He was
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: convicted of drinking and driving in Prince George in February
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: of nine, nineteen seventy four, in which he was fined
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a hunter Bucks. Okay, I mean I guess the hunter
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Bucks would have been a bit more back then, but
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: even still. In March of that same year, convicted of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: assault and convicted to two years less a day, but
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: appealed the sentence or sorry, appealed and the sentence was
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: reduced to six months. April nineteen seventy five, convicted in
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Prince George of indecently assaulting a female. In October of
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, he was convicted of endangering the safety
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: of an aircraft in flight. You look confused.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I just had like a thought, if he indecently assaulted someone,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: that hences that you can decently assault someone. Oh gosh,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: like that that terminologies that just doesn't line up for me,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, I know what they're saying, but it's like.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: But that's just there's no opposite.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, how do you decently assault someone?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you don't. That's that's how you do it.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I think the opposite in reality is just assault. In
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: decent assault is probably like sexual assault, you know.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So this endangering the safety of an aircraft thing,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: so that this was the flight that his wife was on,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: who was in the process of getting the hell away.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: From him, oh snap.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Because he abused the fuck out of her and she
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: was in and out of the hospital like repeatedly. So
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: he phoned and said there was a bomb on the flight. Okay,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: but because the flight had actually hadn't actually taken off yet,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the charge was successfully appealed. What no, yeah, are like
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: nowadays you would just you would never be able to
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: get right away with something like that. There's just no way.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: There's no way a.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Bomb threat at all. That's you can't get away with
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the bomb.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he did. Crown Counsel in Prince George attempted
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to have Gilbert declared a dangerous sexual offender. I mean,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: in the span of nine months, he had two incidents
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: where he tried to force himself on a female and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that indecent exposure I mentioned in Mackenzie. Yeah, that was
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: with children, was it?
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding? No?
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: He apparently invited them over to watch TV, but instead
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: exposed himself to them.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: This fucking douche connect.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: That's freaking disgusting.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: If he was declared guilty of this, he would have
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: been locked up indefinitely. The judge, however, ruled that he
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: was not a dangerous sexual offender and unlikely to commit
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: further violent acts.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Wow, this guy's fucking useless. Like, fuck, this guy like
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: he's more useless than like a blockbuster fucking gift card.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Looks that's how useless he is.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, I would have some uses for that, but I
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: don't have any uses for him exactly.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: He's more useless than that.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: So this's it's laughable because Gilbert was just getting started.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, he was one hundred and ten percent just
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: getting started. Only three months later, on February twenty first,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, Gilbert drove to a psychiatric hospital in Edmonton,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: claimed to be a doctor, and left with a female patient,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a forty seven year old woman who had the mental
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: capacity of someone between the ages of eight and ten. No, no, yep,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: no like disturbing. She wasn't found for three days. Gilbert
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: was charged with rape, sexual intercourse with a feeble minded, kidnapping,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: abduction of a female intent, gross indecency, theft over two
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: hundred an assault causing bodily harm.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: This is fucking disturbing, holy.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Shit, due to the distress it may cause the woman.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: She did not take the stand at trial, so therefore
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: no supporting evidence was heard. It was agreed that Gilbert
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: would plead guilty to the assault charge if sentenced to
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: time already served, which was twenty six months, and on
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the basis a dangerous sexual offender application would not be pursued.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: What would not be pursued?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he learned from that last one. Let's not
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: try to get into that again. He might not have
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: been so lucky, right.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, Okay, because this is the sort of shit
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that fucking bugs me When shit could have been prevented.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: When someone turns and looks the other way and makes
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: a decision like this, this what fucking bugs me.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Well, like, yeah, he just destroyed people's lives and like
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the victims, I mean they died, and then like just
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: think of the surrounding people, right, like their loved ones
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and stuff, like he just destroyed so many lives.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it's a ripple effect, like you say,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: it just goes outwards to other people. Yep.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: So the Vancouver's Son did a special report on Gilbert
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight and had a bulleted list of
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: his convictions and offenses from nineteen fifty two to nineteen
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: eighty seven. Forty three bullets, forty three things that this
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: motherfucker did.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: So this was in what year, nineteen eighty so just.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: From nineteen fifty two to nineteen eighty seven, like this okay.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: But it was bulleted in nineteen eighty seven in the paper.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty eight. Yeah, they had written and there
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: was literally forty three bullets of like shit that he
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: had done wrong.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: So there's already this in the paper in nineteen eighty eight,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: when in two thousand and five, the very first bulletin
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: you read to us, there's another one put out with
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: a public warning.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well we'll just get into this here.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Like what what did the.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Like it's amazing. Some people just get away like I
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: don't understand because that was forty three bullets did not
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: even list many of the offenses, including the deaths that
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: he committed and got away with the like that we're
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: just about to discuss here.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, all right, okay?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: So Mary Johnson November thirtieth, nineteen eighty died at the
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: age of forty two with a blood alcohol level of
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: point three four. A week prior to Mary's death, she
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: had notified her sister in law she believed someone wanted
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: to kill her. The sister in law notified the police
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: of this, but nothing was done, and an inquiry at
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the time concluded Mary's death was unnatural and accidental. Less
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: than a year later, Barbara Paul would find herself in
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Gilbert's presence. It was September eleventh, nineteen eighty one, and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Barbara died at the age of twenty seven with a
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: blood alcohol level of point four three. Deemed that Barbara
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: was most likely a chronic alcoholic. Her death was deemed
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: unnatural and accidental.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Again. Not even a year later, Mary John's would pass
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: away on July thirtieth, nineteen eighty two. Her death was
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a bit different in that she died in Gilbert's barber shop.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: In the early nineteen eighties, Gilbert operated a lease barber
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: shop at two five zero three Kinsway in Vancouver called
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the Slocan Barber Shop. I posted a photo of it
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: on Instagram. Mary's blood alcohol level was enough to kill
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: her twice at point seven to six.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: The corner deemed there was no indication of foul play
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and noted she had been drinking quality alcohol the previous
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: evening with the friend Gilbert. He said, it's my feeling
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: that she ingested an immense quality of alcohol without realizing
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the lethal potentiality of it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: That much. I highly doubt that. But what about maybe
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know, looking back on Gilbert's record and seeing
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: that maybe he was also involved in someone dying with
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: a unusually high blood alcohol level.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not involved with but this, like that would
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: have been the fourth one.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like why hello?
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean yeah, like it doesn't make any sense,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: like this shit's happening in the same city and stuff.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Too, right, But with those other ones, was he present
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: or actually like a lot of it too at that
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: time when they were occurring though.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of them, Like he was present, Oh really, Like, yeah,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: he would be, or he would have get his lawyer
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: involved and they would like go tell to notify the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: police and stuff. But they always had some concoction, like
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: he was really really good at lying, like really good.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But it doesn't matter how good at lying you
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: are when year after year you turn up with oh,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I was drinking with this person and they died of
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: alcohol poisoning.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: And then oh, I was drinking with this person they
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: also died.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Oh I was also drinking with this person and they
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: also died of alcohol poisoning. Yeah, that's a little bit
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: fucking suspicious. Once as an accident, twice as a coincidence,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: three times. Uh uh, shit's going wrong for sure.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Oh I agree, I really agree. So before Gilbert's next
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: murder was committed, he would find himself getting married once again.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I was fine, It blows my fucking mind all these
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: people be getting married. But anyway, people like this are
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: usually master manipulating. I know, I know, it does make sense.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I just it doesn't. It does, it doesn't.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: So, not.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Surprisingly, it was a very short marriage four and a
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: half months. This is wild what I'm about to tell you.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: One particular evening, Gilbert brought a woman home with him.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: They were both very intoxificate. Oh my god, I don't
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: know what is with that intoxicated.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: They were both married oxificated. What is up with me?
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I'm getting it mixed up with something and I don't
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: even know what. But he's getting mixed up with intoxic
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: It's really hilarious. Okay, his wife, you gotta listen here, baby, I'm.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Trying, but I'm still laughing at intoxificated.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: His wife obviously didn't want this woman in her house
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and asked her to leave, and instead of leaving, though,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: she grabs a kitchen knife and threatens to attack Gilbert's
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: wife in her own home. Gilbert the whole time denied
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: she was even his wife and said she was just
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the cleaning lady.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Wow, all right.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: His wife fled to the bathroom to avoid being attacked,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and when it was finally quiet, she exited the bathroom
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: only to witness her husband having sex with this women,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: this woman in their bed.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Gilbert later tried to reconcile with his wife, but the
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: damage was done. He was most certainly not marriage material.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: No kidding like that is so disturbing, beyond anything I've
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: ever read, Well, I've read pretty shitty things actually, but
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: like in a marriage, Oh, she's just my cleaning lady.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: And then she has to go and hide in her
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: own home and then she comes out and you're you're
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: like fucking someone, Yeah, Like is that a joke.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just gonna throw the obvious out here.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: There's cheating. He's clearly cheating on it, right, that's fucking bad.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: But in the moment where his wife is fucking terrified
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: for her life and he decides I'm horny and I'm
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: going to fuck some chick in the next room.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: It's so disturbing to me, Like it makes me sick. Yeah,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: so sick. It wasn't until December fifteenth, nineteen eighty four,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Gilbert would strike again again at the barber shop. Patricia
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Thomas was found after Gilbert called her death in. She
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: was forty years old with a blood alcohol level of
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: point five to one jeez. An inquiry into the indigenous
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: woman's death reported she drank enough to pass out, then
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: apparently woke up and continued drinking until she passed out
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: once again. An autopsy was done was also done because
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: of external evidence of recent trauma, but were deemed relatively
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: trivial and could have been the result of a fall
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: while intoxific and oh my god, intoxicated again. You're not
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: going to live this again. Death was classified as unnatural
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: and accidental. Did you even hear anything?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I just said no, I did not hear the last sentence.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna move on to this, this next one.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I think before we yes, I want to talk about
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: this next one before we chat.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, it real quick. The death was deemed accidental, you said.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Right, accidental and unnatural.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: In June of the following year, Patricia Andrew. So this
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: is two Patricia's in a row here. I think we
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: have Yep. She was a mother of four, passed away
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: again at the barber shop. So this is three at the.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Barber shop, at the barber shop, only.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: His place work. Yeah, this place of work. Her blood
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: alcohol level was point seventy nine. Experts say she would
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: have had to drink one point one three six milliwaiters
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: or forty ounces of hard liquor all at once to
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: get that kind of reading.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, So she down to forty.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Apparently, that's what they think, being that Patricia's heart and
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: liver showed chronic alcohol abuse. You guessed it. Her death
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: was deemed unnatural and accidental.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Okay, no one's asking these questions yet.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: See, because I find it very weird that it's like
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: three of them are at like his workplace. Yeah, like
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: that's messed. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I don't
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: feel like people die of alcohol poisoning very much, do they?
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Not that often?
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I mean it happens, yeah, but extreme with.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: That high, Like that's almost someone's doing that to you.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: And then for it to happen at a single fucking barbershop,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: and then when it's not at that barber shop but
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: that same dude who owns the barbershop as present. Uh,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but you might want to look into that.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Shit because we have more. On September twenty fifth, nineteen
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: eighty six, Valmadoro Gibbons was Gilbert's next victim. She was
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: thirty eight and died with a point six y three
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: blood alcohol rating. Her estranged husband was to pick her
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: up from pick her up from downtown Vancouver and bring
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: her to their once shared Burnaby home, as she had
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: a birthday gift for their twelve year old son, but
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: she wasn't waiting for him in the lobby where she'd
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: been living. Instead, she was found in a room other
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: than her own, with no money, even though she would
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: have just cashed her wel for check, and no liquor
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: other than Chinese cooking wine, which wasn't something she would drink. Huh.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Veronica Harry was Gilbert's next victim, and she passed away
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: at the Clifton Hotel in a room Gilbert rented. Of course,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: it was November nineteenth, nineteen eighty six, so less than
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: two months since his last victim. Gilbert said they had
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: been drinking together for two days. Her blood alcohol level
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: was actually only point zero four, but as always, he
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: got away with it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Of course, that's still a high number.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Well that's you could drive it that though.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Point zero four point zero four point four. Sorry my mistake.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Vanessa Lee Buckner would be Gilbert's next victim on
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: October twelfth, nineteen eighty seven, and this death would thankfully
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: change the story.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Vanessa was similarly found dead and naked on the floor
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: after spending a night with Gilbert. She had just given
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: birth to a daughter two weeks prior, which is absolutely heartbreaking.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: No kidding.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: She was of mixed white European and black African roots,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: so non indigenous as his other victims were. Her blood
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: alcohol level was the highest yet, at a whopping point
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: nine to one. Holy fuck, Like what yeah, yeah.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: How is that even possible?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. Her family pressed the police to
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: investigate further. They had apparently just spoken to her earlier
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: that day, and they said she seemed really good and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: was talking about her baby. They did not believe that
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: she had a drinking problem. Though she may not have
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: had a drinking problem, some reports say she was a
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: user of various drugs and that she had lost custody
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: of her newborn baby, who had been born with a
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: drug dependency. Sorry. Either way, it was her death and
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: that high of a rating that led police, like the
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: point ninety one sorry, yeah, that led police to begin
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: their investigation into similar alcohol related deaths.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Took them long enough.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: It took shit so fucking long. That is so long, Like, I.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Don't understand how someone can get to point nine. That
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: is absolutely absurd. So the fact that they finally said, hmm,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: that's unusually high.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Scary in itself, because point five point four. That's all
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: unusually high. Okay, maybe point four because that's like where
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: you start to fucking die. Yeah, Okay, maybe I can
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: see that, but we've had point five. I think you
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: said point six. Definitely a point seven.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Think there's a point seven.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they haven't questioned those that's just uh alcoholism.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I said it in the intro because
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: like we'll get there a little bit, but I don't
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: really talk about it. But like he they'd be passing
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: out and he would literally like wake them up, and
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: he put all his body weight on them and pretty
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: much strangle them and shove like a bottle into their
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: mouth and just let it drain. Yeah, holy shit, Like
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: that's disturbing. Actually, and I didn't put in here, but
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm pretty sure that it was Vanessa that
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: like she was barfing up black bile or something too. Okay, like,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, because and a lot of these deaths too,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: like it was that they were they would actually be
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: like a fixiation because like they're they're puking, but at
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: that high of alcohol level, apparently your reflexes don't work properly,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and so you're just like drowning. I guess with your people.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you drown your own puke.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Oh God, Like, that's just terrible.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: And I would assume they're probably drowning on a lot
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: of alcohol. Toubing yeah, down throat yeah.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the police were not moving quick enough and there
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: would be one more casualty.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Oh fuck.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: On November ninth, nineteen eighty seven, Edna Shade was found
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: dead in another hotel. She was nicknamed Auntie for the
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: kindness she would show to young sex workers. She was
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: found naked with a blood alcohol rating of point twelve.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: On November sixteenth, Gilbert was placed under surveill they'd watch
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Gilbert search the streets and bars of the downtown east
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Side and take various Indigenous women to hotel rooms. On
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: one occasion, police were ease dropping from an adjacent room
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: and could hear Gilbert saying to the victim, have a
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: drink down the hatch, baby, twenty bucks if you drink
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: it right now, like disturbing yep. During this period that
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: they were watching him, they saved four women from similar
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: fates as the others, and arrested Gilbert for the murder
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: of Vanessa Buckner.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: And finally they were able to start string and shit together.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Gilbert was the first known Canadian to use alcohol as
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: a murder weapon. Initially charged with the first degree murder,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: which was changed to manslaughter before his trial started. Gilbert
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: was found guilty for the death of Vanessa Buckner and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: sentenced to fifteen years in prison, which was later reduced
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: to nine years on appeal. And what Gilbert actually ended
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: up serving was six years. Huh And he was only
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: ever tried for that one murder?
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like you said, he was only tried for the.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: One Okay, yeah, Like I don't I don't get that.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, No, that's not cool. Fuck all right, sorry,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: emotional roller coaster right now.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: So after his nineteen ninety four release, he was placed
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: on a three year probation with heavy restrictions. But in
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, Gilbert was a freeman, a freeman to
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: keep reoffending until the day he died. I'm not going
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: to go on a shit ton of detail here because
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: I found it actually ridiculously hard to find exactly what
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: he did once released from prison after serving that manslaughter charge.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like people probably just gave up on him
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: at that point. I mean, it's pretty fucked up, like
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: how what he gets away with, like it's actually anger
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: it anger it angers me. But it was very obvious
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: that he consistently reoffended and was consistently in and out
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: of jail for breaking his probation. In August of two
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: thousand and four, after he'd done an immense amount of shit,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Gilbert was arrested in las Or one last time in Winnipeg.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Two days prior, he was identified as being at a
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: party in Swift Current, Saskatchewan, binge drinking with Barb Berkeley.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Barb was a long term resident of the hotel they
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: were partying at and had a serious drinking problem. Barb
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: had to be taken a hospital by a friend, a
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: and hotel employee after being found in bad condition.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Did she survive?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: She did survive, Thank God. He would later be acquitted
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: of the charges, and upon his release, police issued that
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: public warning I read at the beginning of the podcast.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Thankfully low that warning wasn't necessarily needed because Gilbert died
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the following year in two thousand and six.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Good riddance.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I wanted to finish off with a quote, just in
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: case you didn't think Gilbert was a complete piece of
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: shit already.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm pretty sure we do.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: At one point, he did an interview with a Vancouver
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Sun reporter saying that the woman whose deaths he had
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: been linked to were all on their last legs. I
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: didn't give a damn who I was drinking with. I mean,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: we're all dying sooner or later, whether it's in the bar,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: across the street, or wherever. Gilbert was a man with
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: no remorse for the damages he caused and lives he took.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. I like doing that.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: So assuming his sentence that he just urs his statement
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: that he said saying we're all dying anyways, I mean
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: that's true, true, So assuming we're taking the truth out
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: of his statement, we're all dying anyways, right, that doesn't
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: give you the right to take away someone's last moments
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: on earth, or last years, whatever, last breath. It's not
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: yours to take. That person might stop drinking tomorrow, that
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: person might even continue drinking, but they might save someone
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: else's life, they might have an impact, they might have
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: more to give, they might have more to live for.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: It's not yours to fucking take whether we're all going
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: to die or not.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, ben fuck him. Way to give us all goosebumps. Yeah,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: it's sad. This case is unbelievable, and I actually can't
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: believe that I haven't really heard much more of it,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: being that it's so close to home. But wow, well
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I is a mofo piece of shit. That's how I'm
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: ending this podcast. But he was just disgusting. Honestly, I
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: was listening to a podcast about this prior to I
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: sometimes just do that, and I was just freaking livid,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: like the amount of time I was in my car
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and just be like no, like you have to be
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: kidding me, because it's like I can't believe he just
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: time and time and time and time got away with
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: this stuff.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's malarkey.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unbelievable.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so thank you for putting us to that
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: roller coaster.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: It was not fun. Fuck this dude. RCMP needs to
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: They've improved, don't.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like they have improved?
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, past British Columbian RCMP IF in nineteen seventy eighties, nineties,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: RCMPR listening to this right now, get your shit together
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: in the future.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, there was some serial killers at that time
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: that got Lewis and shouldn't have Yeah.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, yeah that was not fun. Thank you?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Wow, what the heck? Thanks a little hut. It was
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: ruined everyone's day.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Hey, actually I just got it right before I we
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: went and recorded this, I got a message from from
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Jeff actually regarding last podcast episode. I got a lot
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: of flak for the last episode, even though it was
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: voted on by some patrons, because it was disturbing as fuck,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: and Jeff had this to say, also, your last episode
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: I listened to, I had to take my EarPods out. Man,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: almost fucking puked. So I'm pretty sure.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: What was that one? The elevator the elevator one?
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so I'm pretty sure we're actually yeah, we're
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: not just delivering bad information this time or last time.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Some reason. That did affect me, but it didn't like
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I literally the next day wrote a fucking elevator like
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: and I'm kind of like, wow, that's really crazy.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: But you also posted a story on Instagram with fear
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: in your eyes.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Well the fear was actually more so because there was
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: someone that came in the elevator with me and I
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: had to do that in front.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Of someone gotcha.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, Oh but yeah, no, I mean yeah, yeah, I
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: mean yeah, that one was wild too. They're all wild.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: They're all just wild in the wrong way.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to find three more wild cases and
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I'm going to put it up on Patreon for our
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: patrons to vote on right on for our next episode.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: So if you want to have that, say, head over
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: to Patreon, keep an eye open. In the next couple
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: of days, you'll have your chance to vote on what
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: the next case is going to be.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Boom. Yeah, that's fun.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I don't forget to go ahead and give us a
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: review on Spotify your Apple podcast. It really helps us
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: out and boosts the algorithm to really show our podcast
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: to other.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: People and our confidence.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly and the confidence check us out on Instagram, Facebook.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: We got a Twitter, Twitter, Yeah, and we got a
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: blog in our website. We got to post another blog
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: here pretty quick.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Sweet.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: So until next time, hey, stay wicked.