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Headless Giant and ErosUp Oracle at Delphi With East10 Productions · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: I'll think what.
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  Speaker 1: A Welcome to the Occult Rejects on this episode, I've
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  Speaker 1: got a very special guest and some very special co hosts.
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  Speaker 1: I've got Cody the Feast Tag Productions, and we're talking
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  Speaker 1: the Oracle of Delphi. But first let's go around the
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  Speaker 1: room and have everybody else introduce themselves and tell them
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  Speaker 1: what they're talking about, and then we'll go to you. Cody, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, start us off.
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  Speaker 2: What is up?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Nick, the Occult Rejects, Bitch You Rumble YouTube. Obviously it's
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  Speaker 4: on YouTube now and all major podcast Thank you very
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  Speaker 4: much for in writing me on. I look forward to
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  Speaker 4: this conversation for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely airs up. Tell them me they can.
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  Speaker 3: You can find me at YouTube at Arrows Up, and
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  Speaker 3: you can find me on Twitter at Arrows to Eat those.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Awesome. And we've got a Alchemy Mondays which I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be doing from Oklahoma next week, so it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be kind of interesting. So we do that show together,
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  Speaker 1: and Cody go ahead and tell them where they can
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  Speaker 1: find you and tell them how they can follow you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I so I'm at Easton Outpost everywhere. I've got a
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  Speaker 2: website at Eastonoutpost dot com, which isn't live yet, but
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  Speaker 2: I mean I'm literally at Easton Outpost everywhere, so on, X, YouTube, Rumble, Instagram,
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  Speaker 2: all the places. Some of them are more fleshed out
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  Speaker 2: than others, but YouTube and X find me there for
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  Speaker 2: sure at the Easton Outpost.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Now, how would you describe your channel? Because I've
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  Speaker 1: been watching your videos and they're just like right to
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  Speaker 1: the point. They get right on that topic and then
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  Speaker 1: ride it right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I yeah, I'm a I'm a storyteller. I think
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  Speaker 2: first and forem. I try and find topics that excite
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  Speaker 2: me personally, because you know people are going to enjoy
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  Speaker 2: that more you read of it, all that stuff, So
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  Speaker 2: I dabble with quite a bit of stuff, from esoteric
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  Speaker 2: to the ancient past, occult stuff. I'm kind of all
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  Speaker 2: over the place whatever I'm feeling at the moment. But
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  Speaker 2: I recently covered the Oracle of Delphi, the twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: Club and Robert Johnson and his involvement with all that
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  Speaker 2: selling us soul to the devil, and before that, the
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  Speaker 2: legend is Sleepy Hollow. So I've kind of been all
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  Speaker 2: over the place lately.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome. Yeah, I saw that Oracle at Delphi video
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, let's get him on. We're talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: Any excuse I have to talk about Absolutely, any excuse
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  Speaker 1: I have to talk about Hellenism, I'm always there. So
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  Speaker 1: what do you think the first thing that really attracted
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  Speaker 1: you to covering something like the Oracle at Delphi?
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  Speaker 2: Well, mysticism in general fascinates me. I talk to a
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  Speaker 2: number of people that are incredibly psychically intuitive, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: definitely a big believer in you know, people's. Everybody has
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  Speaker 2: that ability to some degree. Like I said in the video,
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  Speaker 2: We've all been like, oh, man, you know, I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: about so and so, and then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: your phone lights up and they're calling you, or you're
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  Speaker 2: walking to your car and you've got a song in
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  Speaker 2: your head and then you get in the car and
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  Speaker 2: the exact song you're thinking of is on the radio.
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  Speaker 2: We've all experienced those psychic synchronosities, and then some people
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  Speaker 2: can actually you know, tap into that, follow those patterns
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  Speaker 2: more and tune that in. So that's kind of been
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  Speaker 2: a pattern in my life lately that I've been following
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  Speaker 2: personally and watching other people follow So the Oracle of
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  Speaker 2: Delphi video just seem like it fit perfectly.
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  Speaker 1: Very good. Yeah, I personally think that there's so much
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  Speaker 1: we can learn from the mystics of the past and
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  Speaker 1: how they influenced society, and the oracle was one of
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  Speaker 1: these places that had this huge influence that people really
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  Speaker 1: don't see today.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, it was unprecedented then and now, even with
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  Speaker 2: the exception of the Emperor the king. I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: lasted hundreds of years and as their political dynamics fluctuated,
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  Speaker 2: the one thing that didn't fluctuate was really the second
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  Speaker 2: seat of prominence was the oracle seat. No matter who
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  Speaker 2: the ruling party was at the time, they went and
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  Speaker 2: consulted the Pythia. So it it was a power and
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  Speaker 2: an influence in a sway that really, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: you only see and not even to the same degree,
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  Speaker 2: but mirrored somewhat in Maria or Sick and how much
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  Speaker 2: she would inform the Third REICHX, you know, investigations and dapolins.
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  Speaker 1: Roder Reagan had an astrologer that was insisted on by
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  Speaker 1: his wife as well, so there's sort of a mystical bend.
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  Speaker 1: Lincoln governments. Yeah, he had fances, yes, in the White House.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a there's an undertone of mysticism that I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of people have sort of lost track of.
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  Speaker 1: They think everything's just purely physical, but really I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a starting point, right. So for instance, so Philip
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  Speaker 1: of Macedon went to the oracle at Delphi and he
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  Speaker 1: was given his oracle, which he thought meant one thing,
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  Speaker 1: but it met something completely different. Now, what he got
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  Speaker 1: was the king or the the bullet is crowned and
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  Speaker 1: ready for slaughter. So in his mind right, because one
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  Speaker 1: of the main things that the oracle at Delphi is
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  Speaker 1: know thyself, and you have to know yourself and where
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  Speaker 1: you stand in the world for these oracles to make
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  Speaker 1: full sense to you. So the oracle he got was
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  Speaker 1: the bullets crowned and ready for slaughter. He thought that
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  Speaker 1: meant Persia. He thought Persia was the bull. Well two
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  Speaker 1: days later he found out the hard way he was
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  Speaker 1: the bull. He got murked on stage in front of everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and this actually started the rise of Alexander the Great.
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  Speaker 1: So from that point it was a shift from the
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  Speaker 1: father over to the son, and they found I think
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen they found his body. Oh andy, it
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  Speaker 1: was his because he had a spear inside of his
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  Speaker 1: leg and they had talked about that in the histories,
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  Speaker 1: about how Philip the mass and I got speared in
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  Speaker 1: the leg. So it's pretty interesting. They still found Alexander, though.
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  Speaker 2: They looked on a lot of very important and prominent
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  Speaker 2: people and I don't know how we just we don't
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  Speaker 2: know where they're at, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a it's a common thread. The
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  Speaker 1: more precious and otherworldly these characters are and history like,
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  Speaker 1: especially with the giant bones and things like that, the
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  Speaker 1: more irresponsibly they're treated. You know, think about Einstein's brain
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  Speaker 1: for instance, Right, they chopped that up and set it
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  Speaker 1: all over the place. But it seems like the more
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  Speaker 1: special the artifact, the worst people treat them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's there's also an intentional They use
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  Speaker 2: it to kind of muddy the waters, right, like the
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist label is used to just soften the conversation
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  Speaker 2: and get people to look the other way. If they
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  Speaker 2: can mystify something, right, they can they can claim that
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  Speaker 2: I it's just legend, it was just them romanticizing. They
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  Speaker 2: can they can suck the true and incredible power that
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  Speaker 2: these people had, and whether it was mystical power or not,
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  Speaker 2: it became that wardless, right. I mean, they these people
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  Speaker 2: inspired nations, great armies, great moments that tilted history permanently.
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  Speaker 2: That's mystical magical regard, you know, even if they did
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  Speaker 2: it with no magical powers whatsoever, the end result is
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  Speaker 2: pure magic. And they they these these people accomplish something
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  Speaker 2: that very few characters in history get to accomplish. So
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  Speaker 2: if they can mystify those characters and make them out
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  Speaker 2: to be just that, just just characters and not people,
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  Speaker 2: it removes the possibility for the rest of us, right,
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  Speaker 2: It eliminates the actuality and makes it just romanticization. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that, you know, subconsciously, is then humbling all
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  Speaker 2: of us as a species. We can't we can't rise
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  Speaker 2: to these heights, We can't perform these amazing feats. These
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  Speaker 2: are just fantasies, men's of legend. No, they and the
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  Speaker 2: feats they performed were extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And that was one of the special things about
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  Speaker 1: the oracle. As well as everybody was allowed to go there,
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  Speaker 1: everybody was allowed to read their oracle, and so it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't just things. It wasn't just these emperors. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just these high figures. Everybody could be there, and it
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  Speaker 1: was you know, access to this sort of mystical understanding
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  Speaker 1: for everybody. In fact, out front of the oracle, they
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  Speaker 1: would have these beans that they would paint white and black,
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  Speaker 1: and so you would ask a question, reach into the
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  Speaker 1: bag and pull out a bean, and based off of
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  Speaker 1: whether it was white or black, you'd get a yes
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  Speaker 1: or no. So they had sort of a whole mystical
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  Speaker 1: practice going on there, and there were actually wars fought
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  Speaker 1: over this place as well. They had the Five Sacred
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  Speaker 1: Wars where you had this tribe that was acting as
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  Speaker 1: a proxy for Athens near there, seize hold of the
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  Speaker 1: oracle and start funneling all of the money into their
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  Speaker 1: own pockets, right and you know, shaking down all the
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  Speaker 1: pilgrim going to the site. Philip amasadon specifically, he said,
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  Speaker 1: now that's not going to happen. So he actually waged
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  Speaker 1: war against them, ended democracy in Athens. And then once
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  Speaker 1: they actually used Apollo as a symbol where they're fighting battle,
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  Speaker 1: so he had all of the troops put on the
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  Speaker 1: wreath as they went into battle as a symbol for
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're not going to fuck around with Apollo
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  Speaker 1: anymore because he was the god of Delphi.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's and you touched on something that was actually,
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  Speaker 2: as far as I know, completely unique throughout the old world.
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  Speaker 2: The oracle at Delphi was the only mystic everybody could
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  Speaker 2: go to anywhere, as far as I'm aware, South America,
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  Speaker 2: North America, all throughout the ancient world, connection to divinity
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  Speaker 2: was regulated to either the shaman class or or the
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  Speaker 2: ruling class. And it really, as far as I'm aware,
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  Speaker 2: was only Delphi where everybody could come and be on
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  Speaker 2: equal footing with the oracle. So that in and of
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  Speaker 2: itself is a pretty special characteristic of it.
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  Speaker 1: Did you guys have any questions? Well, I think what's
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  Speaker 1: interesting too is the expression of philosophy there as well.
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  Speaker 1: So all of these characters in Greek mythology and their
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  Speaker 1: pantheon were transferred over into other symbols, into other aspects
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  Speaker 1: of life. They became sort of like a memory palace.
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  Speaker 1: So anything that was associated with Apollo got called Apollo,
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  Speaker 1: and anything associated with these other gods or goddesses they
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  Speaker 1: got called that too. So you had the snake, which
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  Speaker 1: is one of the primary symbols at Delphi that that
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  Speaker 1: was the serpent that Apollo slave, right, and then you
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  Speaker 1: also have the omfullest the navel of the world, like
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  Speaker 1: this was where Zeus sent out his two eagles to
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  Speaker 1: encircle the planet, and then where they crossed over again
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  Speaker 1: that was supposedly the navel, that was the place that
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  Speaker 1: was going to rule everything else. So the Omfulest Stone
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  Speaker 1: was something that I found kind of interesting too, and
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  Speaker 1: you were mentioning that in your video.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And something I actually didn't know is for a
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  Speaker 2: pretty damn long amount of time, like two hundred some years,
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  Speaker 2: historians actually discredited the accounts of the past and propagated
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  Speaker 2: that all of it was completely romanticized. There wasn't fissures
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  Speaker 2: in the ground, there wasn't vapors that were emitted from
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  Speaker 2: the earth, and it was literally that way until the
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  Speaker 2: early two thousands. I had no idea. That's horrible though,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's hundreds of years of accounts from people just
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  Speaker 2: thrown out the window by you know, semi modern academia,
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  Speaker 2: which it's pretty wild to me.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, it uh, it's the last person to do that, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it's I mean it literally the early two
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  Speaker 2: thousands is when it was like finally confirmed that like,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, there were these vapors and they would have
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  Speaker 2: produced you know, some llucinogenic qualities. So it's the whole
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  Speaker 2: lore of Delphi is still actively unfolding and being confirmed.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that as people kind of awake to
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  Speaker 2: that latent mysticism that I think is in most people,
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  Speaker 2: we want to be curious, right, we want to be mystified.
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  Speaker 2: We want to think that things are magical. Uh, that's
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  Speaker 2: our human inclination. We were gifted with imagination from source
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  Speaker 2: for a reason. So I my motto is literally stay
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  Speaker 2: curious because that that, to me is one of the
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  Speaker 2: most important things we can do as a human. Curiosity
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  Speaker 2: leads to all manner of things. So it's it's something
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  Speaker 2: that I think as people kind of awake to that
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  Speaker 2: latent desire to find source to be involved in, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what's considered like the woo stuff. Now more interest will
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  Speaker 2: be put on places like Delphi, and I think in
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  Speaker 2: the years to come, we're going to see a lot
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  Speaker 2: more come out of there and be confirmed digs around
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  Speaker 2: it that'll you know, find amazing revelations. So I hope
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  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff comes out of it the next
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  Speaker 2: few years.
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  Speaker 1: Well, one thing that's interesting is the last oracle at Delphi,
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  Speaker 1: the last time they did it back of the four
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  Speaker 1: hundreds AD. They were talking about mid fourth century. According
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  Speaker 1: to historical accounts, Julian set his physic physicians and at
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  Speaker 1: Delphi in an attempt to revive the oracle. Right, so
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  Speaker 1: this was mid fourth century, around three to sixty three.
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  Speaker 1: Some sources say that the prophecy was about the drawing
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  Speaker 1: up of the waters at Delphi, right, But you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was heavily influenced at that time by you know,
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  Speaker 1: Christian preachers and bishops. So they were kind of trying
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  Speaker 1: to get it to shut down, and the best way
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  Speaker 1: they thought they could do that is by having an
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  Speaker 1: oracle that that oracle has always been false. They've always
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  Speaker 1: had streams running at this place at Delphi, and there's
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  Speaker 1: never not been a time when it hasn't been flowing.
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  Speaker 1: So in essence, you can kind of see a parallel
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  Speaker 1: between what you're talking about, like, oh, these Greeks are
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  Speaker 1: just a bunch of liars. They don't you know, they're
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  Speaker 1: making stuff up in all these histories that they have.
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  Speaker 1: But then it turns out, no, they were right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: especially about Troy. You know, they said, oh, this this
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  Speaker 1: Trojan battle, it has to be mythology. There couldn't be
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  Speaker 1: a place called Troy. And then they find it back
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  Speaker 1: of the eighteen hundreds.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Julian, the Julian that tried to keep paganism alive.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's him, Julian Depastate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ah.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: I I think it's interesting though, because like the control state, right,
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  Speaker 2: it's whatever the control state is of the time, which
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  Speaker 2: up until really the eighteen hundreds, the control state was
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  Speaker 2: the church. So at that point it then shifted to academia.
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  Speaker 2: Academics became the new widespread religion, right, So, and I
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  Speaker 2: still we were on that trend where academia is the
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  Speaker 2: authoritative state. Like, you know, think about anything we've seen
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  Speaker 2: go on in the country over the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 2: who are they attorney to, Oh, well the professionals, the
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  Speaker 2: academics say, so, it's that is the current control state,
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  Speaker 2: right is academia. So when we talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: things like demystifying these places, it was the church's job.
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  Speaker 2: And then when the church started losing control and in
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  Speaker 2: fluence to higher education, well then it became they were
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  Speaker 2: the custodian of slapping down anything too mystical or incredible.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it really kind of boils down to that,
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  Speaker 2: and whoever the most active control state player in.
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  Speaker 1: The game is well, from an informational standpoint, if you
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  Speaker 1: think about everyone having access to a place that can
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  Speaker 1: reveal all secrets, that's a completely different form of government
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  Speaker 1: than you would have with what we have today, which
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  Speaker 1: is nothing but secrets. And they'll lie to your face, Glacaus.
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  Speaker 1: They know that you don't have access to verifiable information.
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  Speaker 1: So from that informational level, it was a very different
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  Speaker 1: form of government than what we think of today because
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  Speaker 1: according to them, you know, whether you believe in the
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  Speaker 1: oracle or not, the oracle could see beyond any veil,
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  Speaker 1: So anything you're trying to cover up probably not going
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  Speaker 1: to play out too well if the oracle could see
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  Speaker 1: through it well.
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  Speaker 2: And I wonder what the internal dynamics of that was like,
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  Speaker 2: because if you had the Kingship actively believing genuinely in
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  Speaker 2: the power of power of the Oracle, that would change
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  Speaker 2: the manner in which they present themselves and live and
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  Speaker 2: all of that stuff they would have to because they
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  Speaker 2: would be believing that somebody was going to see through them,
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  Speaker 2: or the flip side of that is it was always
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  Speaker 2: a control medium and they actively used it and put
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  Speaker 2: people on the seat who they could use and puppeteer
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  Speaker 2: as a tool, and you know which it is. With
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  Speaker 2: the benefit of hindsight, it seems like the oracle did
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  Speaker 2: did have something going on there, But at the time,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how they viewed that dynamic.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I do see a parallel because Athens was the
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  Speaker 1: one democracy in the entire region, and they're the ones
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  Speaker 1: who paid a proxy army to go to war with
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  Speaker 1: Delphi to kind of shut it down and control all
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  Speaker 1: of the people coming and going from there. And if
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  Speaker 1: you look at what America is doing today, we've got
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  Speaker 1: proxy armies all over the world trying to shut stuff down.
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  Speaker 1: So if it could be a more of a democracy
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  Speaker 1: thing than a loyalty thing, because in essence, all loyals
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  Speaker 1: back then had to be all of these bloodlines of
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  Speaker 1: the heroes, right So well, yeah, but they don't talk
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  Speaker 1: about that so much that the covert history, right Well.
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  Speaker 2: It's a yeah, And I that's a good point because
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  Speaker 2: I do think you know, with that tie to divinity
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  Speaker 2: that most of them had back then and readily touted.
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  Speaker 2: There would have had to have been a dynamic of
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  Speaker 2: them having to present their truest self to the oracle,
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  Speaker 2: and that would have been a fascinating thing to be
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  Speaker 2: a fly on the wall, for.
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  Speaker 1: It's in a lot of ways kind of an initiation.
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  Speaker 1: You're showing your preparedness to lead by going before the
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  Speaker 1: oracle and basically being the Emperor in his new clothes.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, that's a good good way to put it. I uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the some of the things that I didn't
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: know were like how the pythias would actually interact with
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the vapors and stuff, because that's always like I've always
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: known the lore to it, but when I actually researched
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: it it that was a really unappealing job. So from
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the standpoint of the pythia, you would have to be
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: incredibly dedicated to it, Like it wasn't like a nun
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: hood type role, because I mean astrict as they live
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: their lives. The pythia had it way worse. So there
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: would have had to have been, I think you can't
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: rationalize any other way, a very very serious internal pool
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: and desire and trueness from at least the Pythia's standpoint
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: to be able to rationalize all of the horrible shit
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: that they dealt with as a result of being the pythia.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Right, and they did change some of the requirements between ages, right,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and you had early on they had to be these
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: young women, right, very very young, and then later on
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: they just said just has to be a virgin, you
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: can't have a child thirty.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Well, specifically I had to be thirty or later after
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I think the sixth sixth century, maybe it was pretty
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: early on, but specifically it did become thirty after a
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: series of pregnant pithias and kidnapped pithias and assaulted pythias.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: They were like, ah, this isn't this isn't working out good.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: So it was then a virgin, which just meant no
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: birth and over thirty. But like the tests it would
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: do for that were also like terribly humiliating. So I
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: you would have had been like very serious about your
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: desire to be the psychic oracle to get this job,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: because absolutely nothing was for them as best as I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: can tell.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: And wasn't it other oracles that picked these the new
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: ones out?
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yes and no? So the priesthood had like the first pick,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: and they would do like the narrowing down, and then
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: there were a number of like physical tests that they
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: would have to endure, and so like those would weed
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: out some of them. So like for the very small
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: batch you had left, the current pithia did during certain
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: times have more sway on who the next pithia was,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: but not always more than anything. The priesthood had first
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: pick of it, and then who could naturally withstand it
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: was kind of the second eliminator, and then the pithia
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: would get to decide from there.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Sometimes so it uh while they did like a physical
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: fitness Oh man, so you know what, that's probably more
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: mental strength though, do.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: You do you want me to say specifically. Yeah, So
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: they the priesthood, like multiple of them, would have the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: pithia get up on an elevated platform and squat naked
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: over them, and they would like inspect them thoroughly for
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: any scarring, stretch marks, anything that they considered to be
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: signs of a birth, and like most women didn't didn't
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: passage at all, whether or not they had actually given birth.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Any anybody who's actually known a real woman knows stretch
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: marks are totally normal and a part of the bodies.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: So it's like that fluctuating and wait, yeah, that's what
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: They stretch marks, you know what I'm saying. They didn't
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: a kid.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: It's a it's a totally normal part of of the
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: physical body that can happen with or without kids. But
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: like that was one of the main things they were
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: looking for. So, like it was a lot of very
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: non scientific and in my mind, like probably sexually motivated
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: tests that they would put these women through because you
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you had all of these priests, right and compare them
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: to like modern priests, more sexual restraints these people live under.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: It seems like the more deviance they seem to have
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: when they have the ability to do so.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: So a body standards for Olympic athletes as well, So
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: they had very strict standards when it came to these
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: bodies that they would show as these examples of what
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the society was the ideal of. And in a lot
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of ways, that's what motivated their artwork too. This is
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: what motivated them towards that perfectionism is the idea that
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: these things can be perfected, and that was their view
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: of the gods is the gods are the most perfect
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and the most beautiful things in the world, and that
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: people closest to them should be as well.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, and that's exactly it, and the art really kind
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: of personifies that perfectly. But when it came to the pithia,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: they wanted her to be as natural as possible. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: throughout history you always have the trope of the virgin
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: being the most you know, psychically intuned or connected to source.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: You know, it changes slightly in variation, but all of
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: them seem to have the the like virgin made and
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: draw the whole, you know, unicorn lower all of it.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: So it's to them they felt like the more natural
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the woman was, which I don't know why birth would
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: make that any less natural possibly, but the more pure whatever,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: the more in tune she would be. So they wouldn't
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: allow them to shave their armpits, anybody hair whatsoever. Hair
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: had to be you know, continuously long and never cut.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't allow them to comb their hair even so,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: like most of the pythias just had like massively knotted
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: messes of nest that would go everywhere and sometimes in
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the vapor cause them to trip and like fall into
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the fissure. Happened a bunch of times cracked their head
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: open on the ground. So like the whole thing just
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: from every angle was not a very good process for
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the woman going through it a lot.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: There's so many parallels between that and like what you
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: know I see happening today, Like hair is often associated
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: with like divine attributions, like you can tell certain things
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: about a person where they come from through looking at
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: their hair, as well as like witches are always known
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: for having really long hair's society, yeah, right, right, So
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: there's something about this hair that actually has some sort
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: of psychical quality to it, you know, And.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: That's something I've praise. I've actually talked to a number
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: of people that from observing them, I've seen they are
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: very in tuned, and uh, it's an antenna essentially, is
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: their consensus. And the more you know they diet or
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: cut it, the more the signal is diluted. And for men,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: and you'll see it throughout history, that's often in our beards. Right,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the more initiated one was into the mysteries, generally, the
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: longer and unkemped the beard would be. So it's that
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: trope is mirrored in men and women, and it's it
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: boils down to it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: It's the antenna, right, hair bones, and fascia are all
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: piezo electric compounds, so there's something happening with the electricity,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: which also goes back to the pithia because the fault
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: lines that were there that these fumes were coming up from,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: also have a massive amount of electromagnetic energy coming through
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the fault lines as well. So yeah, in a lot
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: of ways, there could be multiple influences on the mind
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and changing consciousness at these sites because it's the.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Fault lines disputed as well.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Though it was it was up until the early two thousands.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I think two thousand and five specifically is when it
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: was kind of definitively proven once and for all, because
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: it started back in the eighties a geologist was doing
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: ground surveys of fault lines for nothing at all to
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: do with any historical things, a modern government scan. And
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: years later, after he had done these surveys, he happened
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to be in an academic setting around a bunch of
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: historical academics and somebody had said that there was no
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: fault lines under Delphi and he's like, I know that's
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: not not true at all. I had to do surveys
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: years ago, and so the two guys actually made a
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: bet amongst each other, and they went out, they resurveyed everything,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and by the early two thousands, and I want to
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: say it was two thousand and five, specifically, it was
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: definitively proven that there are active fault lines intersecting literally
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: directly under the seat of Pythia. Like, none of that
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: was a myth whatsoever.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I swear surveyors are like the biggest enemy of like propagandists.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: They are.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: It's just hard data, and it's hard to argue with
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: hard data, you know. But yeah, I mean, honestly, it
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: was a geologist that restored the honor of Delphi and
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the knowledge that there was a Pithia there sitting on
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: a stool in front of fissures with vapors coming out
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: of them, exactly as said, It's not mythos, it's not
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: grandiose romanticizing of you know, ancient past historians. That's the
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: shit that was actually happening. So I think that's important
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: for us to be fully cognizant of because for hundreds
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: of years there was an actual person sitting on a
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: concrete stool, huffing vapors and giving prophecies.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: As even that as a dispute because they've got some
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that list this three pronged stool, right, that's your why,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: And then others said that no, they were right on
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: top of the opulash, which is what the vapors came through.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: So I think it's probably a hybrid of both.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Well, so I think it actually changed because of accidents.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: In my research, it seemed like where they how they
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: described the pithia being seated changed in the later times,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: which was after an accumulation of women falling into the
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: fissures when they were in trance states. So yeah, that
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: was actually like a pretty big problem that that happened
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: to a lot of pits.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, so.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: They had multiple gods that ruled over the different sites.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Apollo is just less into safety.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't the OSHA supervisor for certain. Uh,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: it's a what I was going to say that you
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: had you had mentioned a second ago in altered states.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: So they they proved definitively that these vapors were hydrocarbon gases.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of different ones that they've identified, but
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: one of them is uh one that we we use
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: in modern day during like dental procedures and stuff. So
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: if you if you took somebody who was already psychically
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: inclined and you put them under this altered state, and
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: it's not a psychedelic like where they're going to be
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: in a completely different, you know, realm. It's it's simply
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: just an altered state. I think that some truly incredible
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: stuff could be happening if you had a woman that
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: actually in tuned and then also able to drop the
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: conscious veil. So I really don't think it was any
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: kind of smoke and mirrors or theatrics or stagecraft. I
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: think you had women who were very, very dedicated to
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: what they knew in themselves. They knew they knew theyselves,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: and that's the willing, the reason they were willing to
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: endure so much physical, emotional, mental anguish to perform the
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: duty they felt called to do so at a fundamental
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: core level. Otherwise who would go through all that stuff?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Right? Right? And I think a lot of times the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: current people look back at these other religions and they
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: think there's no way they could have been pious to that.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: They must have just been atheists or whatever. But that
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: completely been not anything that was happening in the culture
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: at the time, or how they viewed the rest of
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the world in their cosmology. It's almost kind of ridiculous
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: because you could see it from these different pathways if
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: you just give it a chance and open your mind
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: a different cultural perspectives. But I think one of the
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: things that stood out to me was during the early days,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the Pythia were called the melise, well they were still
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: called that afterwards. It was more like the whole congregation
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: of priestesses were called the melissa, which would be like
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: these honey witches, and they they hung out in this cave,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and this cave was the site that you know, all
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: of the travelers would be like, well, I'm going to
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: go by there because they've got something going on. And
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: so the Melisa were like these honey priestesses, and they
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: had these gold charms of women, sort of like in
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the style of the harpies, right, women on these on
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the on the top of bees. Right. Normally a harp
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: would be a woman's head on the top of the bird, right,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: But in this case, it was a woman's head on
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: top of the bee, and that was the symbol for
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: these melisa. So I mean that's that's sort of endured,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and I think there's something to the idea of the
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: hive mind happening at Delphi, since this is the navel
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: of the world, this is the central point for everybody,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and now this is your hive mind moving forward. It's
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: a it's kind of a you know, an underlying I
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: guess indication, not necessarily over more of an esoteric one.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Well, when you for people who are open to the
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: idea of it, you you'll see, uh, intuitive people naturally
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: resonate with each other, and then the the things if
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you just observe that will come from them when they
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: do uh, it's it's really phenomenal. And the ability when
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: they're they're working together in that coordinated way to t
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: into the collective consciousness. It really becomes a hive mind
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: at that point because a lot of communication is then
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: being intuitively felt instead of verbally dictated. And to have
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: people kind of in sync in that way is a
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: very potent and tangible thing that you can go on
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: any social media and as long as you can find
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: those WU circles, you can just watch it unfold and
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you can see proof of it all the time. When
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: enough intuitive people get together that hive mind really does
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: form because then they're able to kind of bounce off
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: of each other and tune the the intuition. So it
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: creates a very interesting hive mind effect. And I think
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the symbology is very intentional there.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Tap it in. Yeah. So I've got a of the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: different deities that were in charge or the oracle that
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: was speaking through the pythia. The first one was Gaya, right,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: so this is the goddess of the Earth. That's, you know,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: basically the origin for all of the rest of their mythology.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: The second was Phoebe, and Phoebe was daughter of Gaya.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Also the light you know, that's Phoebus. Anything with the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: pho in Greek has to do with light, and you know,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Phosphorus and all the rest of that themis this is
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the one you see out in front of the courthouse,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the one with the blindfold on, one with the sword,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the one with the scales. She was the third oracle
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: at Delphi. She was also the one that was in
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: charge of the bringing humans back after the flood, so
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: they had a flood myth too. And then you have Apollo, Dionysus, Athena,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and Poseidon. Maybe not in you know, strict order, but
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: those are the different gods that were speaking through the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Pythia to the people at Delphi.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so what's interesting is they would eat, like
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the gods would take breaks sometimes even which I found
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: pretty interesting. Like Apollo had like certain periods of the
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: year where he just wouldn't commune, so you'd have like
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: guest host gods dropping in on the on the temple.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: And what's interesting is like during the time of Apollo,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: of being a temple of Apollo, when Apollo was not
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: in session and you had a fill in god like Athena,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: the rate of travelers and pilgrims was substantially lower. So
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: that was like an off season for the Pythias, who
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: did actually get an off season by the way, they
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: were allowed I think one quarter of the year to
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: be with family, to lick their wounds. Yeah, no kidding,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: like take a bath anything. God. When I when I
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: was researching like that part in particular, I was like, literally,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: who the fuck would do this? Like what is in
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: it for any of these gals like you? And and
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: that's what I just I keep being drawn back to
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: as far as like U internal proof of its legitimacy, right,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: who would be willing to go through those kind of
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: trials if it wasn't of the highest internal belief right,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: it doesn't Sorry, no, go.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Ahead, Well, I mean they're partying with kings and gods basically,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: who wouldn't do that.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: The Pythia didn't get to have that type of innerplay.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: The priests did, but the Pythias didn't.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: So you're high and you're consulting king saying.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: God's and I think the idea of it was probably romantic,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: but they wouldn't have ever remembered any of their times
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: being high talking to the kings. It's not like they
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: were they were smoking a joint with them and being
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: like you know what, I think they they were on
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: like methane gas. Like if you were in you are
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: running and just breathing that ship and somebody walked in
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: as you're half unconscious, and the driver's scene was like, hey,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: you are right in there. You're not gonna remember being like, no,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I'm almost passed out for breathing all this shit, So
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't actually know that that outside of
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the idea of like, I do this for a living,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: they weren't getting to enjoy the in moment of it.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Like if you've ever sat down with somebody cool and
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: smoked a cigarette with him or had a beer with them,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: like you remember that you hold onto that ship forever.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: These pytheists didn't remember anybody they fucking talk to or
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: what they did all day, Like it took them hours
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: to come down and like have enough oxygen back in
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: their brains to know what the fuck was going on.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: So I don't know that that actually was incentive for them.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Well, they also had to like the only way that
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: they knew it was a legitimate oracle is it had
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: to be a hexiamic pain Canada. No, they're not only
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you know, really high, but it's got to come through
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: as poetry as well. So there's an indicator there that, man,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: they had to be really on a different level, you know.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna ask do they ever was ever
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: any accounts of them that speaking that way? And then
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: they would say that's no good or was it always
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: just cold lot? Oh the was okay, I don't know
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: if it was like ratio no, So.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Like they wouldn't actually get the chance to do that
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: until a turning of the guard was about to happen,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: And usually that's because the pythia was falling in ill health.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: You didn't retire from that job, you died from it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I believe very few, like less than ten in all
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: of known pithia history, actually like stepped down from the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: job at a certain point, and it wasn't like voluntary,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: it was still for reasons. But the rest of them died.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: They died in the seat, usually around fifty years old.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: So when indications of the pithia losing her cohesion started
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: to become prevalent, then the other ones would start to
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: get to try it out, like in the off season,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: they would get to but for years they were getting
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: used to the vapors, so a lot of women could
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: stand the vapors. But then when the time came for
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: them to actually sit on the seat and have the moment,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: they were not speaking poetry. They were just glazed. So
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: you would have a lot of late game ejections for
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: that reason. Or also what would happen is when pythia
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: would be like suddenly put in the seat, you would
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: have a big turnover of very manic pithias because their
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: bodies hadn't had time to acclimate to all of the
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: gases they were laughing. So from a health level, the
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: way it interacted with them was actually pretty serious and
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: very very very few of them could withstand it and
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: give coherent poetic prophecy. Very few. So it like when
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: they got one, it was pretty obvious this is the one.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: A lot of women died figuring that out each time, though,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: like wild shit, it's a and I that's like if
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: you compare it to you know, like any predominantly female
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: religious sect anywhere else you look in the world, or
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: like modern nuns like have already said anything, you don't
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: really see that sort of toll taken from the medium.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: And I think it's interesting that for so long it
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: could endure that way, knowing what you were signing up
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: for ahead of time. So the navel of the world
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: definitely sums it up.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: They knew it really was the center of prominence, and
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: they treated it as such. An and to your point
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: earlier about like maybe they were just enjoying the fact
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: that they were getting high and talking to kings. I'm
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: sure there was a level of pride that came with it.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Right, Like part of the Delphic maxims is show respect
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: to the oracle. Like that's very prominently displayed. So there
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: was one hundred and forty seven of these Delphic Maxims
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: which were re posted around the ancient world and all
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: these different temples, and the only reason we know that
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: they existed in their full length, according to the second
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: century authors that wrote about them, is because there was
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: a fragment of one found in Afghanistan. Wow, and Afghanistan,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: you know, that's part of where you know, Alexander the
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Great conquered, and so they had temples to the oracles
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: up there, and they had the full text of the
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Delphic Maxims up there as well. So there's something to
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: be said about how influential all of these r Like
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you could see the parallels between the Delphic Maxims and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the Tank Commandments, like very specifically. And so yeah, which
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: came first, I think might have been the Delphic Maxims,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: but the figure and they had such an influence because
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: it was like, this is the bedrock baseline of moral authority,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: coming directly from the gods themselves. And there were other oracles,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: but they talked to different gods, Like there was one
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: in Syria at Ballbeck, which was a Roman oracle, and
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: this influenced the sibiling books, right, So there was a
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: lot of other oracles going on, but this was the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: one that was open to all Greeks from anywhere in
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: that in that region.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Well, and what's interesting is with because there were oracles
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: all over the place for all the different gods of
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: any one religion and then other religions and all their
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: different gods. So I like, the whole Mesopotamian region, you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: had mystery cults and oracles all over the damn place
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: for all of their gods and goddesses. So like you
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: you had that happening in the modern least, you have
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: that happening over you know, further into Europe and stuff.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: So it's the spread was far and wide, but the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: center of the earth was Delphi. Like the fact that
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: it obtained the position really I think speaks to its potency.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and as a political symbol, it you know, survives
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: even to this day, you know, I mean, you've got
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: companies named after it. You know, the oracle and all
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: the rest of this computer technology always harkens back to
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the oracle at Delphi. It still occupies sort of a
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: seat of power within the mind today.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Well, in the same way that Gilgamesh obtained immortality, right,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: like a lot of these people have lived on through
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: the legend they created. That was the immortality that they obtained,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: And I do think there's something to be said about
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: that and the symbols they continue to inspire. Those things
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: haven't haven't ever left us. I think they've just gone
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: dormant in the public psyche a little bit.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: They got to rebrand your company, then you go straight
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to grease and you use one of those names.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, need a government building, Greek architecture, new corouse,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: step that Greek architecture, some more like Yeah, it's it
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: is the most I think plagiarized and abundant. Well, but
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I think that's because they were great plagiarists themselves, So
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: like it. It's just a continued continued recycling of greatness
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: and honing in on what truly connects us as humans
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: to source. That's things like fine art, uh, exploration of
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: the mysteries, the things that naturally inspire us as humans
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: connect us back to source. Right, So I do think
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: that there is a good and practical reason, but I
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: think there's also more esoteric reasons why they do it
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I have a question, so calling it the center
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: of the earth or you know, I guess in like
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: some people would say where the North star, you know,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: shines down on the earth would be that point. Is
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: there anything significant other than the fault lines, like is
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: there anything in the stars or anything super significant other
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: than the fault lines that could indicate that this spot
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: is specially I know that there's like limestone like stuff
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: like that, but like anything else.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: So according to Plutarch, I believe there before there was
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: ever a temple of Apollo, the locals regarded that that
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: exact area as incredibly important because goats would apparently go
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: up to it, breathe the vapors, and the goats would
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: start reciting prophecy. So you had talking goats apparently before
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: there was a temple. And then of course there was
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: the mythos, like was said earlier, of the eagles flying
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: around the earth and crossing path at that exact point.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: So it was reason that that must be the center
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: of the earth if they were let go at the
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: same time, and that's where they recrossed. So you've got
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: the mythology and then you've got local lore. But I,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: as far as I'm aware, there wasn't anything astrological about it.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think they knew of any specific
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: electromagnetic properties going on there. I think it was just
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: a combination of local lore and then biblical lore for them.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: But in the uh in the in the retreat of Apollo,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: he they would always know that he had retreated back
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: to Hyperborea with the appearance of Lira and Signus in
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: the night sky. So the Lira obviously the harp that's
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: the symbol of Apollo, and Signus being the swan being
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: the symbol of Zeus. So having I think they were
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: very heavily connected with what was going on astrologically, with
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: what gods were coming and going from the from the site.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I so I believe that influenced their cycle
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: of when Apollo was in session or when Athena was
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: in session. But as far as I've seen, I don't
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: think it originally influenced the actual location. Do you know
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: of anything have you heard to that effect?
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: There might be there might be some sort of asterisms,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't like the Egyptian you know, pyramids where
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: they were all lined up with the sky as well.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think there was something like that. But you know,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Mount Parnassis is very important for when it comes to
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Greek mythology and all the things that happened there and
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: all the things associated with it. Often times these places
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: are really close to mountains, you know, Mount Olympus and
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: you know all Mount Ada for example. So right having
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: the oracle at the cave is the unification of the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: sky and the earth. You know, these are the places
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: where these things, all these forces sort of meet.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I that that symbio relationship is what I think
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: they were, you know, symbolically trying to portray and so
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: that is they did view the mountains as titans. I
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: actually can't remember.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: They they had some where, for example, the what's his name,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: the big bad guy, what's the Typhon, He was smashed
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: by a boulder and that became a volcano in I
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: think it's Santorini. I'm not sure, but uh, it's that's
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: so that's where Typhon is at as well as Hyphestus.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: So Hiphestus is you know, workshop is under that mountain
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: as well. So okay, there's lots of different mountain indicators
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: when it comes to that sort of factor. But you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: all of the locations that they talk about in Greek
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: mythology are holy sites to their religion.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the there doesn't seemed to be as
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: much energetic focus, I guess on a lot of the
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Greek sites as there seemed to be in other cultures
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: around the world. And I find that kind of interesting.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I wonder, because at that point, by Greek culture, you
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: kind of you had a more refined understanding of the mysteries, right,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: You'd already had thousands of years of really great civilizations
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: already exploring them from every angle that they they went
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: conquered the lands and were like, hey, what's going on
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: over here? And they kind of pulled from the best
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: of everything. And it's it's always been kind of fascinating
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: to me that the way in which they chose their
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: sites doesn't actually seem to be on par with the
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: way a lot of other ancient civilizations did. Have you ever.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Noticed that, well, I mean, there are some indicators that
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: they were more interested in how they could see the
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: sky as opposed to what was on the ground beneath them.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: So a lot of times the Artemis temples would be
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: high up in the mountains where nobody could reach them,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: and you know, to this day there are Artemis temples
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: up there on these mountain sides that you know, they're
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: not sure how they got there, why they would be there,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: but I guess that's some sort of a pilgrimage site,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: so they have indicators that that was the case. So,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: you know, it was part of the worship that these
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: things were difficult to get to, like there had to
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: be an effort. I mean you see that in the
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: stories of Hercules as well. There has to be some
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: sort of physical effort, overwhelming physical exertion that goes on
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: that brings you to that state of nosis. That's the
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: sort of the beginning of nosis.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: The forty days in the desert, right, exhaustion, right, the
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: trial by fire. Yeah, that's a I it's repeated trope,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: but I do think there really is something to it.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, anybody who's ever been through that kind of
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: ordeal knows. Yeah. I mean, it really does bring you
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: closer to yourself and to this planet and to source.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: It's a fascinating experience to go through trials of that kind.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: So I think the Old world insisting on it was
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: an interesting you know, manipulation in a way to get
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: people to that elevated state, but maybe a necessary one.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe you can you can look at
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: how things are going now spiritually for our species and say,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: maybe we should still be hooky. Do people into walking
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: up one hundred flights of stairs to go to church
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: probably be good for our overall fitness level too.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, look at the energy level of the Greeks, man,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, they built all that stuff in like four
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: hundred years and.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: So much energy. They had to create games to do
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: something with excess energy.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: And they had they had more feast days than actual workdays,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: So they're building all that stuff.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: You're doing with our lives, guys.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Well, exactly, like they had a very different religion with
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: a lot more energy. And I think that comes through
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: the fact that Greece itself is sort of like a
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: rocky outcrop over an unforgiving ocean, Like it is a
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: very harsh terrain, and they had to figure out a
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: way to survive in that climate. And I think one
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: of the ways was to just sort of like impose
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: physical stress, strenuous activities so that you would be prepared
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: for anything that comes your way.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I yeah, they're probably it probably was intentional to
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: some degree. But I think just in the in the
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: modern time, we've gotten so detached from what actually healthy is, right,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Like abundance is the norm. We live in abundance every day,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: even when we think we're not. But the reality is,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: you rewind back to a time that didn't have grocery stores,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Like abundance was never the norm. So we used to
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: keep ourselves in active fast because that's the just how
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: it was when you were surviving and the you know,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the the health benefits from that, the psychological benefits from that.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably the natural state to be in
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: and now it's hard not to, you know, have your breakfast, lunch,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: and dinner and snacks in between. But like they were
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: much connected to much more connected to the earth back then,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: and I think that probably made the psychic connection of
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: seeking divine guidance probably a lot stronger. When life was
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: a trial by fire every day, you know, you're you're
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: connected to source a lot, a lot closer.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: And everything was cyclical, right because you would go by seasons.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: That's one of the things that people really forget about,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: how you know, urbanized and awesome Greece was it was
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: an agrarian society through and through Well.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Everything was agrarian pretty much until two hundred years ago, right, Yeah, it's.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: It's easy to forget that when you see the Parthenon.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what it is, uh, it is you.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of times when people look back
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: at the past, they're they're projecting our modern framework onto it.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: And so like, maybe we can give the academics a
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: little leniency here on why you know, they'll insist these
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: things are mythos because it's it's hard for a rational
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: mind to detach from what we can tangibly see and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: feel and test. When you're diving into the ancient past,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: it's not tangible, right, You have to be imaginative at
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: that point. You can read things they wrote, but you
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: still have to imagine the actualization of that. So when
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: you have people who are strictly analytical trying to wrap
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: their head around something that can't be quantified that neatly,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe that's where some of the dismissiveness comes.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: But I think when you really are able to divorce
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: yourself from the modern way we look at things and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: understand things and kind of adopt the ancient frame work,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: uh man, it really shows how magical the old world was,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: and whether it was Greece or Rome or Egypt or
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: any of the Mesopotamian countries or city states, rather, you
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: know it that that general living in the mystical that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: was the reality of their framework. If it didn't rain
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: because you pissed God off and that was settled science. Like,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: that's honestly pretty fucking cool to like have that that
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: level of like, well, guys, we've done done it. We
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: we're not going to have a good crop this year
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: if we don't straighten our ship up. I that that
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: level of like overall connection to planet and to source,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sure did create an overall higher consciousness because they
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: felt like they literally had to or the gods who
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: are just like not grow them corn that year. So
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: that probably was an interesting dynamic of the past that
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: now we have a hard time fully understanding.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Well, what I love to say is that land is
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the lens by which we view God, and that's so
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: much more a parent in the ancient world because where
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: they come from is how they viewed their deities, and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: you know, the desert gods would have a completely different
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: belief system as opposed to the you know, more urbanized
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: or agrarian civilizations. You know, like if you look at
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: the the version of what's your name the Persephone, in
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: the Mesopotamian world, it was Nrgol, So Persephone would come
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: up during the spring and then you know, go out
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: and raise all these crops, whereas in the Mesopotamian region
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: it was Norgall, who is the god of war, and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: so they would go out there and steal everything from
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: their neighbors because that was the springtime, and that's what
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: you did in the springtime.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know, depending how harsh the region
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: was was like how unforgiving their god was also, which
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty funny. They're like, oh, our god's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: a dick out here. You guys got a good it
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: is It is a it's it's it's a fascinating thought
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: construct to like genuinely try and immerse yourself in that
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: way of thinking. And I think now we're seeing a
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: lot more inclination and desire as people are looking around
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: and kind of really more than ever getting a grasp
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: of like how far down the wrong direction we've gone
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: in like every fucking way, just as a species, like
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: it's not even like a per country thing at this point,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: we're not We're not doing it right as a species
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: on on a on a you know, macro level. So
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I think as as more people on a micro level
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: are becoming aware of that and being like, oh, you know,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: how do we how do we write this ship? You
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: are seeing that pool towards mysticism happening again and the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: desire to adopt that ancient way of viewing our planet
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: as genuinely awe inspiring and fucking incredible and capable of
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: of nurturing us or destroying us like that. So there's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: an interesting part to play in science, in spirituality, you know,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: in an exploration of history. But ultimately it's it's going
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: to take a combination of all of those things for
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: us to genuinely upgrade as a species. And I think
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: throughout history you've seen different aspects of it be embraced.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: But in our modern day, I think a lot of people,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: and you know, more by the day, are kind of
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: coalescing into this understanding of modern principles and an understanding
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: of ancient facts and the ability to interplay those. And
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: I mean it looks like hermeticism a lot in most cases.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: But I think people are are genuinely gravitating back towards
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: that right now.
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  Speaker 3: It is it is amazing to think about how in
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: touch they must have been with the archetypes, and it's
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: almost like a universal somatic intelligence, you know, we don't
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: have today.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: We aim for archetypes now, right like oh my gosh,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: yeah you're too masculine, if you're too feminine, you're you're
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: shamed for it, or yeah, oh heaven forbid.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it's and again that's probably that intentional delegitimizing of
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: mysticism as a whole, because yeah, the the ability to understand,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: believe in, and not just that, but even personify an
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: arc type to those levels is uh yeah, something they
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: don't want.
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  Speaker 3: I think that it comes from like not knowing yourself,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: because if you don't know yourself and people are putting
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: an archetype in your face and they're like, you know,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: you have characteristics of this archetype or something, I think
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: it can really freak people out because they aren't they
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: don't know them solves enough to be like, yeah, that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: is me or that's not me. And so it's like
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: really uncomfortable to start to have those kinds of conversations.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, I agree. I they from the time weren't born.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: We're painted with a preconceived brush. Right, if you're you're
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: born in a in a certain time, in a certain place,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: you're a certain gender, whatever the case may be, you're
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: you're already getting painted with a brush of what the
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: the larger society and what the local society expect you
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: to be before we're even conscious. So we we we
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: grow up naturally in the programming of of what modern
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: you know, archetypes they want us to achieve. And it's
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: very detached from our natural ones, which the old world
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: understood beautifully.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, very true. But it's definitely true that people demonize
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: it too, you know, and that doesn't help at all,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: being like, oh my gosh, Gemini toxic.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Or you know, you know right they always get married
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: to one. I tell people that they're like, oh, good luck,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's it's just pretty normal. But it's
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: it's like we are, all of us.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: Are are much more complex than any single god. You know.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: These are simpler forms. These are like closer to ideal forms.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: And I think that it's just quite complex how the
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: energies can work together and you can't generalize anything, even archetypically.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Right there, legos.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: Legos in a system, yeah, and I I mean that's
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: part of like the modern infrastructure we've created, right, where
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: the value a human has only depends on what they
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: can give to the larger society.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: There's no internal gratification or rewarding of internal gratification. It's
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: what you can do for the larger society and how
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: useful you are to the governance of that society. So
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: I think back then, when you had completely different systems
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: based off completely different needs of life, it allowed for
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: the freedom of mysticism, where now we've kind of eliminated
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: the space societally for that to even exist naturally. So
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: when people do feel that draw, it does feel unnatural
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: or taboo just because of the box we we've put
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: ourselves in.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, most things aren't going to produce value, I mean,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: like monetary value, and so they are kind of discarded
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: or shamed.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Well, art in general, right, I mean, any any arts
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: is our most Yeah, and that's uh, that is and
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: has always been known to be the expression of the gods.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: So it the purest form of divinity is beauty through art,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: and whether that's music, painting, sculpture, regardless of the artistic medium.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: That is the physical personification of divinity that we as
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: humans get to experience whenever we want. And if that
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: can be muddled or minimized, then our connection to that
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: true divinity is minimized and muddled.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, beauty is salvation. At least it was in the
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: age of World. Today, we try to get away from those,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: you know, Greek style buildings because they're very expensive and
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: we've got a very inflated currency.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, god, you look at the new library in
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Obama's name or whatever. That's the ugliest fucking building I
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: have ever seen. It looks like no. Prisons are usually
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: designed with more elegance and beauty. If I was a prisoner,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I would be dismayed to be trapped in a fucking
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: hell hole like that. It is so lacking in any
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: sort of divine expression. And I think very intentionally so,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: but it I mean, god damn, it's the modernism, the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: modern style. I'm in construction, so I see, you know,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: modern and contemporary and farmhouse all the time. Modern just
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: means straight, flat, ninety degrees. What the Fuck's That's not artistic,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: that's not beauty, that's not you know that's not style.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Do you know the story behind the cracker barrel rebrand.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: The more unique the style of building it is, the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: less resale chance they have on the market. So all
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: of these cracker barrels with all this nice, you know,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: kitchy jump from the past right in their unique style
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: of architecture, that's not going to cut it anymore, because
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: the holding company that owns cracker barrel wants it to
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: be easily replaced by some other business if they ever
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: go under, they can make their money back.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Just swap it right over tomorrow.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's the like each your slot pig
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: mentality that I think societally we're being fed as an
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: attempt to remove us further and further from source. The
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: more they can take beauty and wonder out of the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: things we can tangibly see, tangibly feel tangibly here. The
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: more demoralized we are society, the lower the collective consciousness,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: the easier control. Right, when you're in a state of hurt,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: of need, of desire, you'll turn and you'll trust easily.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Whereas if you're in a place of empowerment, well that
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: ain't so easy. You're more inclined to be like, is
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: that best for me? Because you know what, I'm feeling
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: pretty good internally and I'm not sure that what you're
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: saying actually savvy is with my well being. But if
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: your well being is already in the shitter, well, anything
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: they say, any slop that they feed you will be
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: that sustenance, that hit that you need to subside a
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: little longer. And I think that's the goal, the general
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: slow ticking away and removal of all those artistic and
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: mystical aspects that made our ancestors so connected to divinity.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: And today is as we see around the world, people
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: are losing their way from divinity. But there's always the
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: kickback effect, right, the boomerang effect, And that's what's happening now.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: And I think that's cool. So it's fascinating to witness
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: in real time, that's for sure.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: It's so true though, because beauty has patterns, and it
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: inspires dialectic and it inspires mirroring, and you know, that's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: a big way that people get to know themselves. That's
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: actually I guess what my user name means, arrows up.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: Arrows is a ladder.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: That's cool. I like that it's a what I it
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: like music? Music for me is a big one. I
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: find music profoundly connecting the source and what I what
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: I vibe with in the day depends entirely on how
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling. My music ranges very eclectic and I'll bounce
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: all over the place depending on what I'm receiving from
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: the universe, how my energy needs to be.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: For the day.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: And then I would use that music as a tool
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: to empower me and feel that thing I need to
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: be feeling. And uh, that's that's that's a powerful drug,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: and it's it's a pure one, right, I mean, that's
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: the beauty of music has the power to empower me
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: to do more than I would have if I just
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: went my day without it. And you know, you can
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: take that and apply it to whatever example speaks most
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: to the individual. And it's true. Like the Great Pyramid,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: imagine walking in front of that thing every day as
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: as an Egyptian regular, you know, five thousand years ago,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: would you have not looked at this man made mountain
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: and just been an absolute awe and wonder of what
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: is possible from God from you just as a as
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: a oneness you would you would look at that and
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: it would inspire you, it would empower you. It's a
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: it's an interesting thought that you know now that is
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: being intentionally removed.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Right well, as we get more connected and as the
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Internet spreads more information, more translations come out, these ancient
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: ways of thinking are going to have a much bigger
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: influence on today's society than we could have expected. You know.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, like I mentioned a minute ago, I see
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: her meticism in a lot of different forms appearing in people.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: And some of them will call it that is, some
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: of them are only attuned to parts of it. But
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: there is I think a growing understanding just as a
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: as a boomerang effect of how important these connections actually
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: are and finding a roadmap to get back to them
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: as more of those roadmaps become available, Because different, different
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: theologies are going to appeal to different people, right Like
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: we all we all want our individual flavor of ice
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: cream if we're going to eat ice cream. So I
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: think there's there's so much profound knowledge to be had
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: regardless of what ice cream flavor you want to bite
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: out of. If you're taking an earnest by, it's it's
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: going to be fulfilling.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, do you guys have any more questions. I think
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: this has been a great episode. Can go around the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: room and guys tell them where they can find your arrows.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I guess I did have one question. So the
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: oracle uh at the Temple of Apollo, right, there was
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: all that limestone around it, right, there was another type
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: of stone as well, and that I can't remember. But
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: there hasn't been any like studies of the like any
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: electric fields or anything like that around it, not.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: That I encountered in my research now. And that's that's
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: why I say, like I think it's very interesting that
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: like in South America and in Egypt, they seem to
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: have a very and in North America as well, in
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: the mound culture, they seem to have a very intuned
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: understanding of energetic node points that I'm not sure the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Greeks either valued or understood. I don't know which. They
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: might have valued other things over those energetic points, and
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe that's why they seem to have less prominence.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: I really don't have an answer for that. But as
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: far as I could tell in my research, no, there
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: hasn't been any sort of energetic science or recording data
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: recording done on the site which is kind of interesting.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: You You would think they would want to know if
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: there's any interesting magnetic properties there. Maybe that's too wu
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: for science to even consider right now.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: They might not like the answer.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Well right, yeah, they're like, oh shit, it's it's like
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: all those like one hundred and eight other sites we
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: that are sitting somehow inexplicably right on top of an energy. Now, yeah,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: well you would you would point it out, like the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: pizo electric energy earlier, and like even with my incredibly
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: like very incredibly narrow understanding of how energy is created
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: from geology when you're at an active fault point, that
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: that friction is always going to be a place of
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: high piso electric creation. And that's why the Pyramids construction
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: is designed in such a way that as the earth moves,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: the stones are very subtly, the limestone is very subtly
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: interacting with itself and creating that that Pieso electricity. So
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: absolutely it would have been occurring, but I don't think
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: it's been measured for.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, I guess I had one other question. Okay, Apollo, right,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: he's he's the main guy. So for divination, I guess
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: Apollo is an interesting uh pick would you would you
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: think that's because like a shared consciousness can lead to
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: an unfolding, of divination, of of seeing, Uh, how the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: patterns unfold? I don't know if that question as well relaid, But.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Well, you're right that Apollo is a really interesting choice.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: And I don't know. I don't know exactly why, because
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: like it to me in my mind and like our understandings,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: like I would want to talk to Athena, I would
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: want the goddess of wisdom telling me what's up. So
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: I don't that's actually a great question I'm going to
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: have to dig into now for my own curiosity. I
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: don't know what made Apollo the psychic draw I got
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: the answer, tell me, I would love to know.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: So Apollo is most commonly seeing with his concerts or
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: his group as the Muses, Right, so the nine Muses
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: are the followers of Apollo most closely. And so these
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: nine Muses, would you know, would be Calliope write music,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: and you've got dancing, and you've got these other forms
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: of inspiration. Right, inspiration that's how you take the god
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: in and from that inspiration you achieve it a certain
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: kind of nosis. So you'd have all of these things
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: like music and these other influences being used to achieve
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: that divine state of madness and then let Apollo or
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: the words that God flow through you and you know
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: he is the god of music as well.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that ties into a lot of what we've
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: talked about. So that's that's very interesting. I didn't know that.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Indeed, Well, the mother of the muses is menomacy, which
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: is memory. So memory is the birth of all of
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: this inspiration. So it's through memory and the access through
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: the memory that you can actually achieve these things. And
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Nick's been talking about the memory Palace with his work
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: on Giordano Bruno, which is also like an extension of
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: that hermeticism as well. So there's that hemetic thread throughout
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: all of it.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: Did you have any final thoughts anything say about that? Yes?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: All right, well this has been awesome. There has been
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: another occult slash have this giant podcast and thank you Cody.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: Tell them where they can find him.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I absolutely had a great time getting to come on.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you guys, and you can find me at East
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: ten outpost anywhere you social media online. I probably have
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: a profile there, So just at East ten outpost.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome. Thank you guys so much and we will
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: see you again next time.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you,