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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Dak Looks Like An MVP, 49ers Beat Broncos, Chargers + Texas Are Cooked, Jags Look Great, Raiders A Playoff Team · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome into our Sunday podcast brought to you
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  Speaker 1: for the anything for moment. The Denver Broncos would do
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  Speaker 1: anything for Bo Nix to be productive in the first half.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting watching the Niners beat Denver 24-14.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, San Francisco played cleaner. One penalty, no turnovers,
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  Speaker 1: no sacks allowed. Broke it open late. George Kittle off
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  Speaker 1: the blitz. Brock Purdy found him. It's nice to have
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  Speaker 1: a tight end that runs a 4-5 or faster. But
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  Speaker 1: my takeaway on this is you're playing with fire. Bo Nix,
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  Speaker 1: it's 3-3 at half, which is strange for the 49ers.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not. It is just basically the prototype Bo
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  Speaker 1: Nix performance. Until the end, where was Jalen Waddell? Cortland Sutton,
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  Speaker 1: I think, had one catch. A lot of throws to
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  Speaker 1: the running backs. You know, I said this a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks ago and got pushback on it, but you
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  Speaker 1: can't win this way. You can't sustain. This is a
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  Speaker 1: good roster. You can't sustain this trailing... slow start. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing it in the NFC with Philadelphia. You just
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  Speaker 1: can't have that many bad third down games, that many
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  Speaker 1: three and out games. Are you more impressed with San
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  Speaker 1: Francisco or less impressed with Denver and Bo Nix?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a combination of them both. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: when you look at the game, the Niners have Kyle Shanahan,
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  Speaker 2: they have Davis Webb. And Sean Payton's not calling the
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  Speaker 2: plays anymore. So you watch, it's kind of been the
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  Speaker 2: same song and dance the first you know, four games
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  Speaker 2: of the season that they have not played that many
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  Speaker 2: good quarters.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So far through the first quarter, you know, through the
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  Speaker 2: first essentially quarter of the season. But, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: one thing, the 49, Debo Samuel has been a massive,
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  Speaker 2: massive sign for the Niners. Five catches today. He came
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  Speaker 2: with a chip on his shoulder. He's made huge plays
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  Speaker 2: for him. You know, Kittle has bounced back faster than
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  Speaker 2: any human you'll ever see. Not named Adrian Peterson from
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  Speaker 2: a major injury. He looks fantastic. And, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: 49ers core group of guys now have played together for
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  Speaker 2: a while. So, I mean, I think the Niners are
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  Speaker 2: just good. They're missing a lot of guys. You know,
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  Speaker 2: obviously the Broncos had a bunch of injuries, but it
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  Speaker 2: was 10-6 with essentially a quarter to go in the game.
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  Speaker 2: Niners went seven plays, like 80 yards right down the
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  Speaker 2: field and scored a touchdown. And you felt when it
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  Speaker 2: was 17-6, you're like, are the Broncos scoring 18 points?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I know they would go on to score, but
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  Speaker 2: right when they got to 17, it just feels like
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  Speaker 2: a huge uphill battle for Denver. Obviously, they lost their top,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, one of the best players in the game.
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  Speaker 2: But the 49ers, Mike Evans has probably 50%. Debo's not
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  Speaker 2: exactly Marvin Harrison running routes. So I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: did it in for them in the game. It's just
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  Speaker 2: their offense is putrid, Colin. I mean, it doesn't move.
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  Speaker 2: Where the Niners at any given moment, Because of Kyle,
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  Speaker 2: because of Purdy. I mean, Brock's, the difference in the
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  Speaker 2: two quarterbacks, would you agree, was pretty evident as the
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  Speaker 2: game went on? I mean, Brock is dramatically better than
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  Speaker 2: Bo Nix right now. Not even close. Then the gap
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  Speaker 2: got wider by the series, I felt.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like just, I mean, I looked at
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  Speaker 1: it like Debo five catches, Evans five catches, Kittle four catches,
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  Speaker 1: no pre-snap penalties. I feel like Bo Nix needs to
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  Speaker 1: be coached up. I'm not saying Brock doesn't, but I
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  Speaker 1: think there's just a fluidity with Brock. He feels very
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  Speaker 1: comfortable within the offense. Now, having Kittle, Debo, McCaffrey, like
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  Speaker 1: Mike Evans, he's got, these are Hall of Fame players.
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  Speaker 1: Like you forget San Francisco's old, But this is why,
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  Speaker 1: for the record, why Shanahan keeps signing these older players.
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  Speaker 1: He knows Mike Evans, he could have brought in, he
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  Speaker 1: could have drafted another wide receiver. He probably thought if
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  Speaker 1: I can get Mike Evans for 12 regular season games
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  Speaker 1: and two playoff games, he would have signed up for
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  Speaker 1: it then.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I brought Debo back.
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  Speaker 1: Can I get Debo for 13 of the 17 in
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  Speaker 1: the playoff games? It's almost like when the Dodgers signed
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  Speaker 1: these older guys like Blake Snell, the pitcher, Tyler Glasnow.
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  Speaker 1: You're getting them for September and October. You're not getting
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  Speaker 1: them for June. You're not getting them, you know, April.
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  Speaker 1: And so, you know, I just kind of look at
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco as they are built for the playoffs if
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  Speaker 1: they can stay healthy. And I think there are issues
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  Speaker 1: in Denver right now is, you know, they played a
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  Speaker 1: very clean game. It was 3-3 at half. But watching
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  Speaker 1: that game, I just felt like there are just more
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  Speaker 1: ways that Kyle Shanahan can get his playmakers the ball
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  Speaker 1: than Davis Webb can get his Denver playmakers the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you look at the 49ers defensive line
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  Speaker 2: on paper coming into the game, it's not exactly a
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  Speaker 2: murderer's row. So you would think that Bo Nix and
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  Speaker 2: his mobility would be able to. I mean, listen, most
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  Speaker 2: people in my life are 49er fans. Like, I'm kind
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  Speaker 2: of nervous about this game. A lot of injuries. Bosa
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  Speaker 2: can't go. And you just go, I don't know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I've been watching the Broncos. They struggled to score. Fred
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  Speaker 2: Warner early in that game said the tone. It was
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  Speaker 2: a really physical game, I thought, early on. It was like, geez,
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  Speaker 2: you better have your chin strap buckled for both sides.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the 49ers got stopped on, I think, on
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  Speaker 2: a fourth and one. Might have been a little bit
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  Speaker 2: longer on a quarterback sneak. You could just tell, a 3-3. Like,
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  Speaker 2: this was– these guys were probably feeling it at halftime.
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  Speaker 2: The 49ers just more explosive on offense. And Kyle is–
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  Speaker 2: You know, Purdy's with Josh Allen was kind of hit
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  Speaker 2: or miss today, probably the MVP leader in the clubhouse
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  Speaker 2: right now. I think Kyle Shanahan, after the big car wreck,
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  Speaker 2: the concussion, a lot of question marks, has been fantastic, Colin,
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  Speaker 2: through the first four games. And the difference of him
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  Speaker 2: and some of these– and McVay's like this too– They
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  Speaker 2: got a new defensive coordinator in, a bunch of bodies
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  Speaker 2: in and out of the game. They have not skipped
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  Speaker 2: a beat, I would say. Now, going against Seattle, different
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  Speaker 2: level next week up there. It's going to be an
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  Speaker 2: uphill battle. I'm sure they'll be an underdog. But even
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  Speaker 2: if they lose that game, the 49ers would have signed
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  Speaker 2: up for 4-1 a month ago in a heartbeat. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I would take San Francisco and Seattle, the two best
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  Speaker 1: teams I've seen in the NFL. I think Kansas City
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  Speaker 1: is pretty interesting to watch. That environment was tough today
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  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas and they played well. There's multiple lead
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  Speaker 1: changes in the fourth quarter in that game. The Raiders
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  Speaker 1: are for real, by the way. They're not great, but
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  Speaker 1: they're absolutely for real.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just look at San Francisco and it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a fingers cross. You know, can everybody stay healthy?
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  Speaker 1: But I think I look at this game because I
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  Speaker 1: knew this was one of my blazing five picks. I
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  Speaker 1: really felt this was a good matchup for San Francisco
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  Speaker 1: at home. And I'm just to the point with Denver
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  Speaker 1: that they're becoming the Philadelphia Eagles. Their roster's really good.
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  Speaker 1: And I watched this quarterback, and I'm sorry, you just
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  Speaker 1: have these droughts, these half droughts, and you can't win
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  Speaker 1: at the highest level. The coaching's too good in this league.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you saw it. What you saw in Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 1: let's go to that game today. So the Rams beat
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles 24-20. The Eagles were 0-12 on third down.
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  Speaker 1: Worst in Philadelphia history. Ten penalties, three yards of play.
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  Speaker 1: The Rams were dead in this game. But the Eagles'
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  Speaker 1: offense just kept giving the Rams short field. And so
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  Speaker 1: it really, I mean, this was a game where the
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  Speaker 1: Rams came in, John, and looked tired. They had low energy. Melbourne, Arizona, Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 1: they looked really low energy. Stafford had a pick before half.
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  Speaker 1: And then Philadelphia goes deep, gets a pass interference, and
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  Speaker 1: then they follow it with a touchdown. And I'm thinking, boy,
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  Speaker 1: McVay's getting tired of this act. But again, the defense
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  Speaker 1: played well. Hurts couldn't move it. They couldn't move the chains.
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  Speaker 1: And the Rams just getting, you know, I mean, what
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  Speaker 1: can a defense do when they're on? You know, everybody's
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  Speaker 1: defense looks good in the first quarter. You start getting
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  Speaker 1: these 0 for 12 on third downs in the Eagles'
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  Speaker 1: defense over the course of time. Well, what do you know?
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  Speaker 1: The DBs are tired. They get somebody dinged up. Philadelphia
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  Speaker 1: did have multiple starters out. But I thought this was
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  Speaker 1: almost more of an indictment of the Eagles' offense than
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  Speaker 1: it was any superlatives on the Rams' offense.
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  Speaker 2: When McVay rallied the troop on the sideline and Brady's like,
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  Speaker 2: you don't see this very often, the head coach getting
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  Speaker 2: a whole unit together. I wrote down he's going to
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  Speaker 2: be at Amazon in 2027 because it felt like their
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  Speaker 2: season was imploding. How old did Stafford look in that
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  Speaker 2: first half, in the rain, in the inclement weather? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the last five minutes, they, I think, almost had 200
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  Speaker 2: yards and two touchdown drives. The Eagles, I added it up,
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  Speaker 2: had seven three-and-outs. And two of those seven were actually four-and-outs.
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  Speaker 2: So I think– I understand they had a million injuries.
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  Speaker 2: They had a bunch coming into the game, like Johnson
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  Speaker 2: a late scratch. They lost– Multiple defenders throughout the game.
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  Speaker 2: Saquon gets hurt. You're up 10 points. The Rams were dead.
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  Speaker 2: Stafford was old. They couldn't move the ball. And then
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Sirianni goes for it on like
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  Speaker 2: the two-yard line on fourth down. They're up 10. You
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  Speaker 2: kick a field goal 23-10 at that point in time.
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  Speaker 2: 20-10 felt insurmountable. 23-10 would have felt like ball game.
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  Speaker 2: And then they drive right down the field in a
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  Speaker 2: couple minutes, 98 yards, and the game completely flipped. And clearly,
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking about this. When you're imploding and you
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  Speaker 2: have injuries, like Denver, for example, they got some weird
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  Speaker 2: stuff going on. They pay Sean Payton $ 15, $ 20 million
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  Speaker 2: to figure it out. And you go, I think I've
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  Speaker 2: seen him last year. They'll make some tweaks. They'll get
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  Speaker 2: something done. You have this new quarterback. who's i think
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  Speaker 2: 34 35 years old never called plays was playing not
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  Speaker 2: that you know relatively recently he's in a situation i
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  Speaker 2: mean this city is i can you imagine talk radio
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  Speaker 2: in philadelphia tomorrow it's gonna do some big numbers going
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be ugly and how does he know how
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  Speaker 2: to manipulate? We don't need a touchdown. We just need
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  Speaker 2: a couple first downs, and he can't do it. I
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  Speaker 2: said this last year when they were egging the dude's house.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's easy to point fingers at the offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the quarterback looks rattled. Hey, Jalen, sometimes I
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  Speaker 2: know Lamar got hurt, but Lamar will say F it
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  Speaker 2: and just take off and get a first down. He
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  Speaker 2: just doesn't do that enough. He'll run around. Kind of
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  Speaker 2: like Russell as he got older, he's like, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to throw. Well, it's like Jalen, your best wide receivers
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  Speaker 2: in street clothes, your rookie who actually, Makai made a
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  Speaker 2: couple of plays early in the game, but then kind
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  Speaker 2: of went MIA. Just get 17 yards with your legs.
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  Speaker 2: You are a great runner of the football. And they
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  Speaker 2: won't do it. They can't run the ball. And defensively,
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  Speaker 2: they just imploded as the game went on. Sirianni, Colin,
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  Speaker 2: you can tell me his record and all you want,
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  Speaker 2: but what's his pitch? Do you know they play Jacksonville
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  Speaker 2: this week in London? Jacksonville has been exceptional the majority
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  Speaker 2: of the season, Colin. They are one bad half away
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  Speaker 2: from being undefeated. I'm blown away with how good– I
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  Speaker 2: like the Jags in that game, Colin. I'll say that
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  Speaker 2: right here on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Well– And the Eagles' defense was on the field for
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  Speaker 1: 77 plays. So that is– well, listen, I always felt
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  Speaker 1: that eventually Nick Sirianni was going to unravel this thing.
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  Speaker 1: It was a matter of time. I had my doubts
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  Speaker 1: about Dan Campbell, but I do think Dan's a legitimate coach.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Sirianni. There's lots of quarterbacks and coaches
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  Speaker 1: that have gotten into Super Bowls and even won them
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  Speaker 1: that aren't elite. So, I mean, I will say this,
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  Speaker 1: Kyron Williams, 10 catches, 16 carries was a workhorse for
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  Speaker 1: the Rams and Puka Nakua, 125 yards. Devante had a
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  Speaker 1: big drop, doesn't get a lot of those, but I
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  Speaker 1: thought Puka and Kyron Williams, I felt like the Rams
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  Speaker 1: had a, they were a healthier football team. So I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I did feel like that did matter, but those.
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  Speaker 2: Two- Puka was exceptional today. I thought Puka was a
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  Speaker 2: big impact. You felt him on the touchdown, but just
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  Speaker 2: throughout the game on just 7, 8, 9, 10-yard completions.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a $ 150 million player if he gets
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  Speaker 2: his act right off the field.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I also think Puka adds a
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  Speaker 1: physical dimension to the offense. Devontae's a great player, but
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  Speaker 1: Puka really makes the— They're not as physical as the 49ers.
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  Speaker 1: That's not their style. But when Puka's playing, he is
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  Speaker 1: a combination of Kittle and Debo. He adds a physical
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  Speaker 1: component to kind of a pretty offense. So the Rams were,
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles are a poorly coached, very high-end roster. And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like every Eagle game I have watched, John,
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  Speaker 1: for the last two years, they're all the same. They
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  Speaker 1: look exactly the same. That you look up and you think,
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  Speaker 1: too many penalties, bad on third down, can't sustain drives.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's embarrassing. And blame who you want to
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  Speaker 1: have that many three and outs. Seven. Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you go three and out constantly, like let's
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  Speaker 2: use the Yankees yesterday, right? They couldn't score a run.
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  Speaker 2: When you watch a team, and they're a bad example
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  Speaker 2: because they're actually good, but when you watch a baseball
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  Speaker 2: team that can't hit, someone taught me this a long
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  Speaker 2: time ago, you feel like a baseball team isn't trying.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, well, they're just getting mowed down, but it's
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  Speaker 2: hard to watch a team that can't make contact, get
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  Speaker 2: mowed down inning after inning. When you watch a team
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  Speaker 2: go three and out, series after series after series, it
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  Speaker 2: feels like the worst possible football you can consume.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I can't even imagine. The other thing is, That building,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they've obviously been one of the most successful teams, what,
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  Speaker 2: over the last 10 years. Right. They've been very consistently good.
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  Speaker 2: But that building, I would say more than most, like
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  Speaker 2: Buffalo's not going to turn on Josh Allen after a
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  Speaker 2: loss or in the middle of a game. Seattle could
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  Speaker 2: get weird. They're not going to turn on him. Philly
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  Speaker 2: will turn on you after a couple series. And I
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  Speaker 2: will support them. It's expensive to go to these games.
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  Speaker 2: And they're not dummies. They know what it looks like.
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  Speaker 2: you're not even gaining yards. I mean, the tush push
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  Speaker 2: is dead. That thing is no longer working. And listen,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is, you can't replace the coordinator and
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  Speaker 2: have Sirianni still have like this bulletproof vest on. People
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  Speaker 2: are going to come for him. And today, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I thought, just going for it. He's been kind of
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  Speaker 2: hit or miss with that. He's, he's punted once he's
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  Speaker 2: gone for another time. He went forward down to the
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  Speaker 2: goal line and backfired when it's like, get some points
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  Speaker 2: would get some momentum at this point. You cannot, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of coaches often say this, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the guy in my headset is telling me to do this.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, seven of my guys are injured.
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  Speaker 2: We're not moving the ball. And I don't trust our
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  Speaker 2: play options here. So you get the three points. I just,
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  Speaker 2: and I know it's, well, it's still going to last
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  Speaker 2: 24 to 23. I, I think that was a huge,
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  Speaker 2: huge momentum swing. I've never, I don't remember a Rams
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  Speaker 2: game where they felt as dead and came back. And
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  Speaker 2: that has to be an incredible flight home for McVay
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  Speaker 2: and the boys. Because we've both watched a lot of McVay.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember him rallying the troops on the sideline
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  Speaker 2: like that and screaming at him because he could feel
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  Speaker 2: his season unwrapped. They lose this game. They've got some injuries.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows when Myles Garrett's coming back. Stafford was looking
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  Speaker 2: terrible in the inclement weather. You just go. Is this
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  Speaker 2: an 8-9 team? You win this game, you get some momentum,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're feeling pretty good about themselves.
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  Speaker 2: And you've got to hold serve with the Niners in Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: They both keep winning.
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys 34, Houston 30. Cowboys trailed 16-6 at half.
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  Speaker 1: Second half, Dak was remarkable. 32-45. CeeDee Lamb had 17 catches.
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  Speaker 1: Dak finished with a passer rating over 100. We can
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  Speaker 1: talk about this defense all we want. This organization... For
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  Speaker 1: the last 10 years, eight years, however long Dak has played,
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  Speaker 1: they're as good as Dak is. I thought in the
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  Speaker 1: second half he was absolutely, absolutely great. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: looked like an MVP in the second half. That's what
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  Speaker 1: an MVP quarterback looks like. They also, in the third quarter,
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  Speaker 1: there was a huge moment. This was kind of a
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  Speaker 1: game changer where there was a pass interference on Lassiter
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  Speaker 1: or the Texans, so they got a fresh set of downs,
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  Speaker 1: first and goal, and Dak delivered.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: On first and goal, he got a touchdown. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they had Dallas had 28 first downs. They were four
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: for four in the red zone. That is hard to do.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: The Texans defense, I guess it's lack of communication, according
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: to their players. But we know this, the offense generally,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: if you have a great offense, you have a you know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: you have a smart like a Liam Cohen in Jacksonville.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: You can you can repeat that year after year after year.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: A lot of great defenses just don't show up the
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: next year. First of all, defense is more violent. Defensive
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: players get hurt. And also, offense is constantly creating and inventing.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: And sometimes defenses, you know, they go into a season,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: they get a three-game stretch where they don't match up
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: particularly well. I thought C.J. Stroud was effective. But Houston
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: had 13 penalties. They're now 0-4. I mean, they're not
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: winning that division. Listen, say what you want about the Colts.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: We're not going to spend any time on them. But
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the Colts have a roster. And Daniel Jones and Shane Syken,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you can say what you want, you get 28 points plus.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: They eventually, with Jonathan Taylor, the tight end, they find
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: their way into the end zone. They find their way
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to points. Houston, the season's over. What I liked about
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Dallas in the second half, John, they basically came out
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: and just said, we're going to feed CeeDee Lamb the ball.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: And shockingly, he was open for most of those second-half catches.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I thought it would be hard to top Jeremiah Smith's
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: performance yesterday. CeeDee Lamb might have at least matched that.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: A great defense doesn't give a guy 17 catches. And just,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you know... it felt like snap after snap, he was open,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: you know, the game winning touchdown open, not, not making
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: miraculous catches. I mean, he not saying he didn't, but
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: some of those it felt like are just hitting them
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: in the numbers. And to me, a great defense. It's
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: kind of like when a guy's going for 50, once
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: he gets to like 38, you start double teaming them.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: You're like, you're not lighting this up. I've seen it
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: forever with the warriors. It's like, we're taking you out.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: At least we'll hold our head high. We might lose,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: but you're not going to go for 50 or 60
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: in this game. And Houston had no answers. Now, part
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: of that to me, I mean, Pickens had an incredible
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: deep ball catch that kind of got Dallas back in
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: the game. Yeah. And like those two guys are as
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: dominant when they are on as anyone because of their size,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: their physicality. That's the other thing. CD is not just
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: like walking out of bounds. Like he will turn it up.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: He gets vertical, goes through tackles. Tight ends good. Javante
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Williams has been fantastic for them. Big win for Dallas
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: because I wrote down and not take shots here, but
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: they kind of had a USC vibe, like really good offense.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Their defense looked terrible. Did kind of settle in a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: little bit and got some stops. Quinn and Williams had
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: a big sack. Listen, I give Jerry credit. He gave
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: a second rounder in two years. It's not until 2028.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Jerry might tell you, I don't even know I'm going
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: to be here in 2028. So as that goes, it's
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: a massive upgrade for them over time. I mean, the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: guy just got there. He hadn't been practicing. You would
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: think their defense will just be a little more serviceable
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: because their offense now through two weeks. I mean, it is.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: They can score at will. That's what frustrated me so
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: much last week about that. And I understand. I saw
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the report today. that he got up in front of
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the team and said it was on him. Well, of
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: course it was on him. I mean, we all, we
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: all want, what do you think he's going to say?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I was high on Dallas coming into the season,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: a little nervous, big picture with their defense, but look
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: at their division Eagles and free fall. I mean, the
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: entire city is going to want Sirianni fired. The giants
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: are a little smoke and mirrors right now. Yeah. Their
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: opponents and their quarterback situation in Washington is dead. So Dallas,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: if you can just play serviceable defense, you can win 10,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: 11 games and win this division, right?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And it's not only a big playoff offense. They had
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Dak had a 14-play drive in the fourth quarter. Javante Williams,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: what a big day today. I think he had three touchdowns.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: So what Dallas can do to you, they can road
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: grade you. They can take the clock and change time
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: of possession, keep their defense off the field. That's one
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: of the things I like about Dallas is that their defense, again,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: there's new faces, there's new parts. You have a new coordinator.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: We didn't expect it to be great in September. We
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: didn't expect that. But when you watch Dallas grind out
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a 14-play drive against the Texans on the road, and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: then they have big plays over the top, you're like, okay,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: they give you a little bit of everything. I mean,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: it's so interesting that.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: You know, shoddy, I may even roll my eyes, but
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the bottom line is the offense is effective. I thought
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: they gave the game to Baltimore. I thought they had
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: it at the goal line. I thought they were done.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: My takeaway on that game today, though, on Thursday, I
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: said it was one of my favorite picks of the week.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: It didn't look like it in the first half, but
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Dak put on an absolute clinic in the second, and
• 21:29
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  Speaker 1: England 29, Buffalo 26. Listen, Sean McDermott was a very
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: solid coach. Most of us felt it was time. But
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: somebody's got to put guardrails on Josh Allen because he
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: has gotten over the last couple of weeks. I talked
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: about this about a month ago with Baker Mayfield. Like
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: he needs his Liam Cohen back or Dave Canales. You
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: got to get some guardrails on some of these personalities.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Baker's just making stuff up and running everywhere. He didn't
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: play today, but I watched Josh Allen a couple of
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: times today and I'm like, I need some guardrails on
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: this stuff. He's making, you know, he's making some mistakes,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: but I thought this game was mostly about Drake May. Again,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: this is like Dak. He was three for three in
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the red zone. Romeo Dobbs had a nice day. I felt,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought, It was a little hysterical
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: on Drake May. I'd argued Stephon Diggs and Booty out.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Here comes A.J. Brown, hurt after 31 snaps. Those are
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: three really good number one receivers, or at least high-end receivers,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: luxury receivers. We lost all of them between last year
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and this year. So they're kind of making it up.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I thought, John, the key for New England today, Ramondre Stevenson,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: And Travian Henderson both played. They had 27 carries. And
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Drake May ran eight times. So I really felt that
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: gave him a cushion that he was throwing on second
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and short or a third and short. And to me...
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Like you said about Jalen Hurts, Drake May, it was
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: pretty obvious, had made his mind up or Josh McDaniels
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: had nudged him in the take-off lane. Like, bro, two
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: or three times in this game, he'd get down and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: close to the red zone. It's like, I'm just going
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to run it. And I'm like, yes, these young quarterbacks,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: when you have that energy and you don't have multiple
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: injuries on your resume yet, run, move the chains. And
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I thought Drake did that today.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one theme today that I wrote down big picture
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: for a lot of these wins was mental toughness. And,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: you know, I get on my YouTube algorithm a lot
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: of the Zolax 98.5 in Boston, and it was fireworks
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: for Drake. I mean, obviously the stories of the rift
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: between him and Bray Bull, his shoulder issues. I mean,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: there were a lot of– that was probably an ugly week,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: probably the ugliest week the kids ever had. And this
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: guy comes from a family of athletes. Dad played quarterback.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Brothers played hoops. I thought today was, given the circumstances
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and how much negativity surrounded you, like, I'd bet on
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: that guy. Because I think some mentally weak people break
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: under those circumstances. In that area, how shitty he'd been playing,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I thought he was exceptional today. Just in terms of,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: like you said, taking off when he needed to take off,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: but even some of his throws, the accuracy, staying in there,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: making throws on the run. his one interception was not
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: his fault at all and went around on Dobbs as
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: he hit the ground. That was as good of a game,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, if we factor in the playoffs, as he's
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: played in probably like 11 months. I mean, I was
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: blown away because, again, I had been consuming so much
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: of these people, crushing them, questioning them. Him kind of
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: stepping in with the shoulder issue, I went, man, this
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: is Arizona, Miami, some cities, even the Chargers, you can
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: fly a little under the radar. Philly, Boston, there's no
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: flying under the radar. And then you're playing the Bills
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: in Buffalo. He outplayed Josh Allen today. I mean, it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: not even debatable. He was, of all the guys I
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: watched today, he was as good, you know, Dak's stats
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: are probably better than his. But that was as good
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: as you're going to see, Colin. And especially with how
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: poorly he's been playing. And then early in the game,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: he has a turnover. And you're like, oh, here we
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: go again. And, you know, for a fumble, you know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: you had one over overturned because his arm was going forward.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: You pick you could just see early on like this
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: kind of get away from you. They're losing at halftime.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: He I was blown away by him because it's easy,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: you know, when everyone is down on you. And who knows,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: you know, internally, like Mike's a defensive guy from the nineties,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: smoke cigarettes. Like Mike's not, he's probably closer to bill
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: in terms of personality in terms of, I mean, this
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: is an old school defensive guy. This isn't some, this
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: isn't Kevin O'Connell, some former quarterback from San Diego state.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And it's just Josh intense guy, right? You're, you're making
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: him look like an idiot. And Drake was exceptional. I mean,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know who's going to be the AFC defensive
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: player of the week or offensive player of the week. I,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Of all the guys I saw, he jumps to my
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: mind fast.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: And how about that eight-play, 73-yard drive in the fourth quarter,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Eastern Washington's That Chisholm guy with the one hand.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Never even heard of him. Had to Google him. What
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: a catch.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: That was a great catch. After the game, the Buffalo guy,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: one of the secondary guys, like he's a scout team guy.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: That's never going to happen again. But I felt like you.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I thought there was a little hysteria around it. It's like, guys,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: he lost to Von Diggs. Booty, the receiver, who was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a nice player, athletic player. He loses after 31 snaps. A.J.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: And it's not a great run game, but I thought again.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: 27 carries between Stevenson and Travion Henderson. It's like, okay,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Drake May rushing. It's like, okay, I thought it was
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: really good coaching today. Let's go on the road. Let's
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: take some heat off Drake May. I think the Chargers
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: would love to do that. I just don't think they
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: trust their run game much. And speaking of that, Seattle 30,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Chargers 23. First two throws of the games were picks.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: But the Seahawks pulled away, led 20-6 at half. Sam Darnold,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: two for two in the red zone. Multiple scoring drives.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I will say this about Seattle. You know, again, Emmanuel Watson,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: a running back from Fort Valley State. This is the GM,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: John Snyder. Like, you think, oh, they lose Kenneth Walker.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: This is going to be a problem. Well, they draft
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: one running back. They find this kid. I think it
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: was an undrafted free agent a couple years ago. It
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: may have been by Denver. I forget. But Seattle threw
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: three quarters with seven yards of play. Chargers pretty anemic.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Ladd McConkie hurt. Joe Alt hurt. They're like San Francisco,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: that they have injuries. But they're young players. Derwin James.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: They're younger players get hurt. My takeaway on this is
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: when I watch Seattle today, they have so much speed.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: You see they had Rashid Shaheed. They put him in
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the backfield. Without Kenneth Walker, there's a little mix and
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: match right now as they're trying to kind of find
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: their way. They have not run the ball particularly well
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: this season vis-a-vis last year. But as I watched them today,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Herbert had a really bad pick at the end of
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the first half. Seattle pivots, turns that into a touchdown.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: The fact that the Chargers fought and kept it to
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: a touchdown, it didn't feel that close. But I watching,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: here's what I worry about. Seattle's, I think they'll find
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: their way running the ball. But they went from Clint Kubiak,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: who's clearly legitimate head coach, to a 47-year-old on the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Niner staff who used to coach defense. And I've always
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: kind of, you know, this is my professional opinion. When
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: people don't get their first big break professionally until they're
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: close to 50, my thing is, what were you doing
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: screwing around? Clint Kubiak and most of the great coaches offensively,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: you hear of them younger. They've got a dad in
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: the business. They were into football when they were 12
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: years old, right? So I do worry about going like
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Detroit when they lost Ben Johnson.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: It's hard to replace a great coordinator.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I don't want to make too many big judgments because
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: even with Kubiak last year, John, Sam has bad games.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: But I didn't think he played badly. I think he
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: played very, very well today. And I thought they're kind
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: of mixing and matching the run game. They're kind of
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: trying to find their way. Chargers, again, it ends as
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: a touchdown game. It didn't feel like that to me.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Well, they're not built. They're down 20 to six at halftime.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: It fell over at halftime. You're like, Chargers aren't storming back.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Herbert's getting the living shit kicked out of him in
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the second half, getting hit. I mean, every other play,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: you think that he just break his ankle. He just
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: break his rib. He's getting crushed. This charger thing, like Seattle,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: you're up 20 to six. You're playing this team. That's
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: kind of dead. Like I, I don't judge them on
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the situation. They just put yesterday or two days ago,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Jadarian price on the IR. So he's going to be
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: gone a month. He's drafted a guy in the first round.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's tough to tough to replace. You know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Darnold had completed 13 balls today. So he's definitely showed signs. Like,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: it doesn't look like his arm is not working or anything.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: But they've just– something's been a little off offensively, I
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: would say. But their defense, the physicality in which they
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: hit is just like, oh, my God. I mean, the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Chargers are not set up to block these guys. I
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: know there is– and this Charger team feels destined to
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: be like 3-14 right now. I mean, how are they
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: just going to win games? And their schedule is so hard.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: it's going to get really, really ugly. So all of
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: a sudden you find yourself one and eight kind of
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: hard to battle. They've never paid this much for a
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: head coach and they've, and his staff makes a lot
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: of money, you know, bringing in Mike, I by no
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: means think they're going to fire Jim, but he's not
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: really a three and 14 type guy, right? One, he's
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: never had experience losing like that. I mean, his disastrous
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: season in Michigan was like an eight and five or
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: a nine and four. And with the Niners, uh, He
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: essentially got fired on an 8-8 season because I remember,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: you know, being in local radio and it's like, you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: it could be a lot worse. And then they got
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Jim Tomsula and it got worse. He's never been a
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: part of it. Even when he gets to the Chargers,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: they're a disaster and boom, playoff, playoff, you know, with
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: kind of some flawed rosters. I just wonder how Jim's
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: going to handle this. You know, people behind the scenes,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: all he knows how to do is extra time, extra work,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: hit harder. I don't know if that's always the pitch
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: in these situations. This is a weird spot for the
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Spanos family. It's not like Jim has other options. He
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: can't go back to college because everything that happened in Michigan.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Show cause.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: So he's kind of stuck in the pros. But would
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: he have a huge market right now? Would a lot
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of GMs be lined up? Well, we'll take them off
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: your hands. I think the Chargers are in a weird spot.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: You know, this McDaniel thing is not working well. You know,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: in theory, he wants to run the ball, but his
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: run game goes back to Jim's run game, I think
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: are a little different.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: And they can't run the ball because their offensive line's terrible.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: So this thing is, I wouldn't have envisioned this a
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: month ago. It's not even just being 0-4. It's like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I don't really have a chance to win, especially against
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: good teams. Like you said, 30-23, I didn't watch the
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: 30-23 game. The game got weird in the second half.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: They were never going to win that thing. They covered.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: But I just think this– is Herbert going to make
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: through the season? One, they can't afford– he's got to
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: be perfect for them. He hasn't been perfect. And he's
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: just getting the crap kicked out of him. And their
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: offensive line is bad. Which is weird. That is a
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: hard ball. You go back to Michigan in the 49ers. Yeah,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: we'll win with random wide receivers. We'll run the ball
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: because our offensive line is going to be our bread
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and butter. He said it when they drafted Joe Alt.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: He's like, why didn't you take Malik Nabors? Because the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: offensive line is the tip of the spear. Well, it
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: sure is not the tip of the spear right now.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: It looks like a dull knife.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Jags 22. Bengals 17. So since Liam Cohen arrived. Okay,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: let's go to the last 12 games for Trevor Lawrence.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: He has become the quarterback we thought he would be
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: out of Clemson. He's 11-1 in his last 12. That's
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the best for any quarterback in the league. He has
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: 27 touchdown passes. That's tied for the most of any
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. He has 107 passer rating. Second
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: best in the league. Tampa is 2-10 in their last 12.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: without Liam Cohen, right? Like you start looking at Tampa
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and it just, Baker Mayfield started getting looser, more interceptions,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: more frustrated. Cincinnati is a very uneven team. They literally
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: have no run game today. And yet Burrow's throwing for
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: 400 yards. Here is a Burrow stat that is, I
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: would have never guessed. It's a little Aaron Rodgers feeling.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Burrow is 1-35 in his career when trailing in the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: last eight minutes of a game. Is that nuts? I
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: would have never guessed that. And that may be a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: lot of different things, but my takeaway on this game
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: is that I thought the Bengals are a wildcard team
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: because I still don't like their offensive line, and they
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: are very Jamar Chase Burrow driven. But I think the
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: story here is if Jacksonville played in New York, or
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Chicago or Philadelphia, Dallas, we would be talking about them constantly.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: What Liam Cohen has done. Liam Cohen is the best
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: coach in this league that nobody talks about. Ben Johnson's
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: in Chicago. We're going to talk about him. Kyle's in
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: San Francisco. McVay in LA. We're going to talk about him.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Liam Cohen has turned Trevor Lawrence's career around. It wasn't
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: a bust, but it was really, really about 50% of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: what we thought it would be. I'm watching him today.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: he just doesn't turn the ball over. He just, it's
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: a very decisive offense. When you watch Jacksonville, John, you
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: ever turn the TV on and Kyle Shanahan's like this,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you can see his game plan. You know exactly what
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: he's trying to do. And that's why Brock Purdy and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence succeed. It's very decisive. There's, they're designing plays.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: There's a first and a secondary wide receiver. And I'm,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I just, I think Trevor Lawrence has become a top
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: 10 quarterback in this league over the last year to me.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Well, Well, if you flipped, if you said Liam Cohen
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: was the head coach of the Bengals, I'll promise you this,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: they win this game. If you just flip-flop the two coaches. Now,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Burrow also, listen, he threw for 428 yards. I had
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the Bengals in this game. I mean, he had a massive,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: massive interception down in the red zone that killed him.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: He threw two. One, you could argue he got hit.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: But that one, they're down 16-10. They're driving. It felt
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: like they were going to take the lead. Chase has
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: been knocked out. He's out of the game. But they
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: were driving right down the field. I don't know if
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: he doesn't see him, but he hits the guy in
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the numbers. And that's the thing with the Bengals, or
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I mean the Jacks. And here's where I will give
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Liam credit. They made that Travis Hunter move, which I
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: thought has aged poorly because it's impossible to do. You
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: can't play both. Deion Sanders couldn't do it. This guy's
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: not Deion Sanders. Well, what have they done the last
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: couple weeks? You're just going to play defense, my man.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: He's all over the place on defense. He's not playing
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: offense anymore. You know why? We don't need you. All
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: manipulated over there. That's my baby. How many teams in
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: the league would die to have Travis Hunter play defensive
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: back for them? So focus him on defensive back. You
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: feel his presence. He's nearly tipping balls, making plays. And
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Liam said it this week. He's like, listen, I am
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: not obsessed with trying to justify the value of this trade.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: We're trying to win games. And yeah, if you could
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: take Travis Hunter number two overall to just play DB,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: is he going to? Probably not. But is he a
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: top 15, 20 pick? For sure. So stop worrying about
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: trying to justify it. Have him pick a lane. And
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: it just helps the team out. Because when I watch
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the Jags, it's not like they're scoring 40 points a game.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: It's not. It's just they're a well-buttoned up team.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: You know, think about it like Lincoln Riley. Clearly knows offense.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: But his team's soft. And he's not alone. A lot
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: of offensive, you know, he comes from Mike Leach, a
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: lot of offensive coaches historically, Matt LaFleur, right? You don't,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Matt LaFleur is not a tough guy. I would say
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Liam Cohen is much more of the mold of Kyle, McVay.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: His team, whatever he does in practice, the tone he
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: sets in the meetings, they are not a... I'm blown
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: away by them week in, week out. I've compared it,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: if it was college, and you can't steal anyone in
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the NFL, right? If it was college, the equivalent of
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the brand for the Jags, you'd be like, oh, the
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Packers are going to go after Liam Cohen this offseason, right?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Because he would be the equivalent of some star coach
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: at a smaller university, right? But that's not the way
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the NFL works. The Jags have him, and he's got
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: a quarterback. And I would say the Jags look headed
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: right back toward the playoffs. And the way they play, like,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: their game translates.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Physicality. We're not dependent on scoring 40 a game. Like,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the Bears, one thing you feel better about them the
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: last couple weeks, like, they're just tackling better. They feel
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: like a better defense. You have to play defense in
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: the NFL and in the highest level of college sports.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: to make runs late in the season. You can't have
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: a joke defense. And that to me is like Trevor
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Lawrence threw for 227 yards today, but he is just
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: much more under control. Like you said, besides he, I
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: think you go back to his freshman year. I think
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: they won the national championship. It was really good. You know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: he was a little, he was so well established his
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: sophomore junior year, but it's not like game in game out.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: He was just destroying everybody. He feels as good as
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: he's ever played in his career. I even think this season,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I know last year statistically he took a big jump,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: but just to complete, like you used to talk about Purdy, confident, control,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: understanding the offense. this symbiotic relationship with the play caller,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: which is extremely important, which I think you go back
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: to the Drake May thing. You're like, well, it's Vrabel.
• 41:05
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• 41:08
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• 41:11
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• 41:13
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• 41:15
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• 41:18
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• 41:21
  Speaker 2: to bet right now, Jacksonville might win like 13 games
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: this year.
• 41:23
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  Speaker 1: our link in bio. Speaking of Kansas City, 30-27 over
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the Raiders. It almost felt like a win for the Raiders.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: 440 yards.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: 365 passing yards, 28 first downs, dominated time of possession,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: 78 total plays. The Raiders are a legitimate team. Kansas
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: City's good, and they have much more. franchise momentum, Spags
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and Andy Reid and Mahomes and the GM, like they've
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: been doing this now for years. And, you know, they
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: just kind of this is a team in Kansas City that,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: you know, three for four in the red zone. The
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Raiders were over two in the red zone. And that's
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: kind of the difference in the game is that the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Chiefs have been doing this for a long time. Situationally, John,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Kansas City is a very good situational football team on
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. Over the course of this game,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: they just made more big plays. But I thought the Raiders,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: tip your cap to them. Kenneth Walker, for his size,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: that guy can run. He peeled a 77-yard run down
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the sideline.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Big guys aren't supposed to run like that. He looks
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: like a fullback, and he runs like that. But it
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: has allowed Mahomes to have play-action passes now that are
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: magical because you can't cheat with Mahomes, which you've largely done,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: just dropped into coverage for the last four or five years.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: You can't do that anymore. But I come out of
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: this game thinking Kansas City's very good. But if you're
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: a Raider fan, this was a very even, multiple fourth
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: quarter lead change game. You have to hang your hat
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: on this and say, this is a step in the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: evolution of the organization because I thought the Raiders completely
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: looked the part.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Colin, this is a massive win for the Raiders. Good
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: teams will tell you, listen, there's no moral victories. When
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: you've been the Raiders for 20 plus years, I mean,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: they've had two winning seasons since like 2002. This is a–
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: they're good. And I bet the Chiefs, I haven't seen
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: like their press conferences, I bet they were blown away.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, their defense is dramatically better. Cousins, he's a
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: revelation this season. I thought he was done washed. I
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: was like, I totally get you bringing this veteran guy,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: probably win five games maybe, and just let him get
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the crap beat out of him. He's been exceptional. I mean, he–
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I've been blown away. Kenneth Walker, I would say, parallels
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: two years ago when the Eagles signed Saquon Barkley.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: He has been, at least through four games, he has
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: been that good. I mean, he had 177 yards, obviously
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: blew the game. I mean, they were in trouble. And
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: then he bust that long run, they score. The one
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: problem is, is Tyquan Thornton, who was having the game
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: of his life, he shattered his ankle. And he's... He
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: has been really good for them, just stretching the field,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: making big plays. Obviously, I mean, Andy's running red zone
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: plays for him today. So, I mean, he was gaining
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: a rapport and a trust with the quarterback, who Patrick
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: looks way– they show the stats– through four games last
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: year and this year, he just, the eye test, it's just,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: he looks way better, way under control.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Well, why do you think that is? Why did Jalen
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Hurts look way better two years ago? When you have
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: a 2,000-yard running back, Elway's been saying it for 20 years.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: How'd you start winning? When we found Terrell Davis. They
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: help you out a lot. And did you have any
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: idea that he was this good, Kenneth Walker? I mean,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I've always liked him, but his impact and his speed,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, Jesus.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I remember at Michigan State, he led the nation in
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: yards after contact. So Kenneth Walker, since the start of
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the playoffs last year to today, 7-0, 10 touchdowns, over
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: 1,000 yards. He always had an injury bug because he
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: ran so hard.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: It's it's almost like he's faster in Kansas City, you know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: and some of this is Travis Kelsey and Mahomes and
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid. You're getting like really smart, high functioning offensive
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: ecosystem in Kansas City. But I thought he was a really,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: really good player. But, you know, in Seattle, he would
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: struggle to stay healthy. And, you know, Seattle, again, is
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: sort of making it up as they go in the
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: running back room. I thought they would overcome it because
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I did think the Notre Dame back. He's kind of
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: struggled to find his rhythm and now he's banged up.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: But I think we.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Forget this, that as much as Mahomes has been given
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: in Kansas City, Andy, Tyreek Hill, he started with, remember,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Mitchell Schwartz, yeah.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: He had two Pro Bowl tackles. He's had Joe Tooney,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey. He's been given a lot. He never had
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: a great run game. I mean, there were years they
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: were pathetic. And we've never seen Patrick this good on
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: play action. And it's just– it's like Sam Darnold last year.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: You know, Mike McDonald, just don't turn it over. You're
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: going to make big plays. JSN, Kenneth Walker– I just,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I look at him and I think this right now, if,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: if again, I think San Francisco today, I'd pick them
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: to beat Seattle in the NFC championship. I'd probably pick
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Kansas city because of their experience to, um, especially if
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: they're playing at home and it's Kansas City and it's
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: 13 degrees to beat Jacksonville. I don't know who I'd
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: take in that matchup. But right now, the Kansas City
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I'm watching is so good situationally. If they need a sack,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: they get it. If they need a red zone play,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: they get it. The Raiders today were very good. They're
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: not quite there yet. They don't have like... you know,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: it's like the baseball pitcher. It's Verlander. It's one of
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: these Clayton Kershaw guys where you're like, they've been in
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: these big eighth inning jams before and they can wiggle
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: their way out of it. Nobody out too on. And
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel like the Raiders aren't there yet.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: But I think Kansas City situationally, they've got their mojo back.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I think one issue for the Raiders is the big
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: difference today is the running back situation. They draft Jenty, whatever,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: six overall. He doesn't even have 60 yards. If they
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: could control the clock a little bit more, they were
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: pretty dependent on the pass, and they're lucky that Cousins
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: is so good. And Cousins, a lot like Stafford, he
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't sacked today. So if you don't move him around,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: he can eat you alive. I would imagine next time
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: they play in Kansas City, it'll be a different animal,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: whether you've got to blitz them, whether you've got to
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: generate some pressure. Because if you're just going to let
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: him sit there, they've got two– I mean, Bowers is
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: obviously an all-time special player. But what's the Notre Dame kid?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: The other tight end is really good. The Raiders do
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: not have wide receivers. So they are basically– they've got
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: the two running backs who are good, and they can
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: throw to them, and the two tight ends. And then
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: their defense kind of just plays their balls off.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I would say after that game– I mean, I already
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: assumed Kansas City was going to be excellent this year.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: But I think the Raiders are a playoff team. You know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: right now watching the Raiders, they have a true identity. Like,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I watch Denver. I'm more– and we'll see if Sertan
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: has a serious injury. Like, the Raiders are not going away. Like,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: that's a 10-7 team. They're well-coached. They're physical. They're defensive front.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: The other thing is the offensive line– I'm not trying
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: to just shit on this guy, but, I mean, the
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Pete Carroll, his son's situation last year, offensive line, is
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: inside football circles all-time embarrassment. And you watch this year,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: you get Kubiak, who, what's his background? Offensive football, offensive line,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: running the ball, knows what he's doing.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: They get Tyler Linderbaum.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: They just look like a well-run, and even Cousins, I
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: was listening to the broadcast, he's like, the best thing
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I feel about when I go to the line of scrimmage,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about the protections where I
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: know he has it handled. And I even feel like
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: the other guys that I don't know that much about
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: feel like they're pretty capable. Now, the Chiefs, I don't
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: think sack numbers haven't been great. But, you know, they
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: got the kid from Oklahoma who they drafted in the
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: second round. Carl Loftus has been better.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Chris Jones had a couple plays today. Yeah.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: So it's like that was– I bet the Chiefs came away,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: and I bet Andy's like, that was a real team.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: This is not– the Raiders have beat them over the years. Yeah,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: but it's been– But a lot of times they've been
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: four or five wins, you know, and beaten them on Christmas.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: You know, random games that meant nothing to them and
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: kind of hurt the Chiefs. This was– there was a
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: lot on the line today, you know what I mean?
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: And the other thing that was cool, and you've lived there,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: I've spent a lot of time there over the years–
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know. It's just this stadium is incredible,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: but it's just going to be all the away fans.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: It did feel, for the first time, a little Raider-y
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: when they were making plays. You could hear it over
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: the broadcast. I'm like, okay, this is turning into a
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: real franchise. Amazing how that can happen when you get
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: a real coach.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Bears 23, Jets 12. Geno Smith non-factor. The Jets defense
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: just frankly got worked. I tell you, the Bears, these
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: offensive coaches, John– They always fix the O-line first. That
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: interior O-line for the Bears now with Ben Johnson in
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: year two can be nasty. There were some holes, and
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Jets have some personnel. So Ben Johnson, the last two weeks,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: with a backup quarterback and a third-string quarterback, has had
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: a 78- to 41-minute time of possession advantage over the
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: team they played 433 times. 433 yards per game average. Today,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: it was Kyle Menunga who just every time I looked up,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: he was carrying the ball. Roma Dunze has absolutely become,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I think, the player they thought a long, not thick,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: but a long, strong wide receiver target. Again, Menunga today
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: was phenomenal. was the go-to. I mean, again, very intentional offense.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: You knew what they were trying to do. Their takeaway
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: was they obviously saw something and that we can run
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: on this team, interior line runs. It's just one of
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: those games where they have now won with three different
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks this year. And I mean, been productive with three
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: different quarterbacks this year. This is not happening with a
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: defensive head coach.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: People say, well, everybody's got an offensive coordinator. It is
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: different when you have an offensive head coach. The language,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the lexicon, the practice, the schedule. I mean, I'm watching
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: this team offensively. It's the best quarterback room in the league.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's... I mean, Case Keenum the week before
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: is perfect against the Eagles. He looked better against the
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Eagles than Matt Stafford today looked against the Eagles with
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Devontae Adams and Puka Nakua and Kyron Williams. So my
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: takeaway on this was, yes, the Bears were better. Yes,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: they were going to win. But good teams don't always
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: have to be beautiful. They're highly productive and effective. And
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: it was just a different way they can win. It
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: was the run game today.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Do you remember a couple years ago when Ben Johnson's
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: name really got hot leading up to when people were
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: going to interview? It's like, rumors are he's going to
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: want $ 13 million a year. And I think that's what
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: he ended up getting with the Bears. Turns out he's
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: severely underpaid and should ask for double. Because what's the
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: value of a coach who can just consistently win with
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: backup quarterbacks? Their value immediately jolts to the highest in
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: the league. Because if you have a good starter, when
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: that guy's on the field, you're going to win What, 65, 70%
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: of the game?
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: They ran the last two weeks for hundreds of yards.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Today they ran for 232 yards. God. Their long run
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: was 26. If I told you someone runs for almost
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: 250 yards, you're like, oh, they probably have like a
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: 50 or 60 yarder. No, they just gas you. Play
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: in and play out. Most young coaches want to pass
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the ball. They just do. It's it's in there. I
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: think they're wired that way because a lot of young
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: offensive coaches tend to be former quarterback.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Sean McVay, Liam Cohen, Liam Cohen, LaFleur is a former quarterback.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell is a former quarterback. It's pretty rare. Andy
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Reid's an offensive lineman, but historically he really likes to pass.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: For the first time, you change the running. It makes
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: your defense look better. I don't think the personnel is
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: any different than last year, but the Bears' defense feels
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: more physical. They're not on the field as much. You're
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: more well-rested. And here's where I will give Ben credit.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Dennis Allen's a real defensive coordinator hire. When he peaked
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: a couple years ago before he became the head coach
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: of the Saints, the Saints' defense was excellent those last
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: couple years of him as defensive coordinator. And you go
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: back before he got the Raiders job in Denver, So
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: their coaching staff probably– we don't talk about them as
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: a coaching staff because Ben takes the oxygen, but when
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: you mirror up the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinator,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: that's a pretty powerful combo. But you're winning– did you
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: think when Case won that game and you watched him talk–
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, they gave Tyson Badgett an extension a year ago.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: It's like, Case, that was your one shot. I think
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: that's why he was so emotional. He's no dummy. He's like,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to start again.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Once this guy's he's been cleared to play, he's going
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: to get to start the next game. So he was
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: kind of mum about it till the story kind of
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: broke a couple of days ago. It was pretty clear
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: to me after the Monday night game. It was like, yeah,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: the case is never this is it. But, like, they
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: won with a guy who said he was retired two
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: years ago who hadn't played forever pretty easily. I mean,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: they killed the Eagles. Like, think how hard it was
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: for the Rams. The Bears destroyed them. And Tyson didn't
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: throw a touchdown today, but you could see, like, physically,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: as an undrafted free agent, to have that size, the
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: arm strength, and mobility, there's a lot there to work with.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: And he's clearly way better than he was a couple
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: years ago when he got thrust in to play on
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: the crappy teams.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: And when you're a Northern team, And you're going to
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: play starting in about two weeks to three weeks in
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: bad weather. The Bears are built between Caleb's legs and
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: this run game, John. This is like we talked about
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: with Jacksonville. Jacksonville is a physical warm weather team. And
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I think Liam Cohen understands it because Liam Cohen played
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: college football, small college football. I think I'm from the Northeast.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: So, again, he gets it.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Liam Cohen gets it. You have to build
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: physical teams. You don't want to be a dome or
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: a Florida team. And when I look at the Bears,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is what Green Bay can't do. Like
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: the Packers have rarely had. That's one of the knocks
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: on the floor is they've never been a physical kick-ass,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: punch-in-the-mouth offense. It's been pretty. Chicago can be pretty. But
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: that's why he drafted. Everybody wanted him to draft an edge.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: He went and got that blocking tight end Roush from Stanford.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: He's like, no, I want another tight end. Cole Komet
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: can block. So it's like, I just look at the Bears.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: They're not just winning. They're building a team that's capable
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: of playing cold weather football in the last eight weeks
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: of the regular season.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Well, you should tell Cosell that NFL film should erase
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: that Packer Bucks game from the history. No one should ever.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Oh God, it was awful. The Bears go in there
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: next week, right? To Lambeau. You know, I don't think
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Packer fans are thrilled. I mean, having to watch one
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: of the worst games you will ever see against the
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Buccaneers with an undrafted free agent that, I mean, fantastic story.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Seems like a great kid, but NFL player, not quite sure.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine if the Bears go in and handle
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: them the way they've been playing? I'm going to assume
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Caleb's not going to play this week and you do
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: it with an undrafted free agent and Tyson Badgett and
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: just shove them around. Cause right now the Packers physically
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: are one of the weakest teams. I mean, they're, they're
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: offensive lines, atrocious. They're not a, They're just not a
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: good team. They're not good.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: They're not fun to watch. I mean, even Tucker Kraft
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: dropped a touchdown in the end, so they came back.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Matt Bolin, Golden, caught one following, but they're just not
• 59:38
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• 59:56
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: We have to talk about this. USC 25, University of
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Washington 21. It was ugly. 19 total penalties combined six
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: for 26. Both teams are very young. Washington's super young.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Washington's not good. Their own line, which they projected to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: be their best part of their team is, is not good. Um,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: It is remarkable how reliant USC is on Trent Mosley,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: a freshman receiver who's been, I guess, banged up for
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: about two weeks. They're just not the same offense without him.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: But it's interesting. So USC's opponents this year, they beat
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: a team from Louisiana. That team's 4-1. They beat Fresno State.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Fresno State's 4-1. Oregon's 3-1. So you could say to yourself,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: you know what? We're losing. We're beating good teams, and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: we lost to a great team in Oregon this But
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, John, and I talked about
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: it last week. There are three coaches that went heavy
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: into the transfer portal. Dion when he got to Colorado,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Lincoln when he got to USC, and Brian Kelly when
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: he got to LSU. Brian didn't want to do the
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: legwork of high school. And there's an argument. I was
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: talking to a coach about this recently. He said, what
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: you should really do, college basketball or football, your first
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: class should be all freshmen. Build your culture. Build loyalty
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: and culture. Then fill it in every year with NIL players,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: but build through high school. So Lane, Lincoln Riley comes
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: in and there's not a ton of players there, but
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: he wasn't going to get fired after a year, right?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: But he gets Caleb and Jordan Addison. So it's like, wow,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: they go 11 and I think three. And it's like, wow.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: And so he doubles down in the transfer portal. Those
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: are the two best players he ever got out of
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: the transfer portal. Caleb Williams and Jordan Addison. Those were
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: the two best. He never met that. And you looked
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: up three or four years later and you're like, I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: don't have any good high school players. Well, now they do.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: But it feels like it's too late. And, you know,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: you can't you can't win Big Ten football games on
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the road with 18 year old Southern California high school
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: kids one year. Last year, they're in high school football.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, it's. Even though they have a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: winning record, they're, I think, 5-1. And Penn State's a
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: mess offensively. Their pass protection, I think, is their quarterback
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: gets pressured 30% of the time, pass protection. And USC's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: defensive front is pretty talented. So it's a good matchup
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: for USC. But I come out of that game and
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, boy, it feels inevitable. Lincoln didn't even do
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: the walk-in with the team. He didn't get on the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: field until 47 minutes before kickoff because I don't think
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: he wanted to hear the catcalls from the fans. So
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: that's my only guess. But I don't think they would
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: fire him in season. And they do have a winning record.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: And I do think they'll beat, I don't know what
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: the line is on Penn State. But, I mean, God,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Indiana beat Rutgers this weekend. Didn't have a penalty. They're
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: so well coached. Even Northwestern's good. Minnesota's good. How do
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: you think the USC situation unfolds here over the next
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: two months?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, they play Indiana. They play Ohio State, correct?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're in some trouble in those games. No
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: one would argue Lincoln's offensive aptitude, right? He knows offense.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't think his quarterback played that well in that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: game throughout the stretches. He didn't. I don't think Washington's
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: very good. They're not. Bryce Underwood's taking a lot of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: crap for being an all-ski-mass team, taking a lot of money.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I think Desmond Williams, for the amount of money they're
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: paying him, I don't really see it. And I think
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin's kind of lucky because if that player would
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: have gone to him like he wanted to before he
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: got Leavitt, and I'm not saying Leavitt's the perfect player,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think it would have gone well. I know
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: he made the one great play at the end of
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: He's small.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: He is. He looks tiny.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Tiny. Tiny.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: This goes back to Leach. I just think there's ingrained
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: in them the way they practice, and I think their
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: offensive philosophy doesn't mirror with playing good defense for whatever reason.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know the specifics. Maybe coaches that have been
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: around him could articulate it better, but we have a
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: long track record going back to when he was at
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma with way better offenses than he had now. I mean,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: he had CeeDee Lamb, Hollywood Brown, P. Ryan. Joe Mixon,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: first rounders on the offensive line, Baker Mayfield, and their
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: defenses were putrid. They were terrible.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: You can't convince me that it's the way they practice,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: specifically against that offense. You can't build any physicality. There's
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: no tackling. I mean, that one, when it was, what
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: was it? They made it 21 to 10 when the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: tight end scored for Washington. That's just bad of a tackle.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: You'd see better tackling in peewee football. This is USC.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: I saw Taylor Mays. I think he's on Jed Fish's staff.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: I thought to myself, I remember when Taylor Mays would
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: kill people going across. He had his flaws as a player,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: but the physicality USC used to have, these guys were
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: playing two-hand touch and not even shoving the guy out.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: And Gary Patterson, whether the personality, whatever, I do think
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: it's a physical mindset that's set Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: of practice that however Lincoln's done it now for a
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: long period of time does not translate to defense. Even
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: if he had Georgia or whoever the best defensive teams
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: are in the country. they would be worse practicing against
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: his offense every single week. I feel very confident making
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: that statement. Now, if he gets some young guys, their
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: offense keeps getting better. They'll have a 10-2 team where
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: they have the number one offense in the country and
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: they score 45 points a game. But I don't think
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: it's possible for him to win a national championship because
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's physical enough to go with the
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: big boys in the big games.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: When he got hired, he was in the Pac-12. And
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: my take was he's going to win 10 games a year,
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  Speaker 1: 11 games a year in the Pac-12. He's going to
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  Speaker 1: outscore everybody. And they've got a lot of money at USC.
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  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, uh-oh, we're not in
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  Speaker 1: that conference anymore. And I do think there's something to
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  Speaker 1: be said, I think, in the Big 12. I think
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  Speaker 1: USC tends to be better at home. It's warm weather.
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  Speaker 1: In the ACC, maybe. But I just don't think stylistically
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  Speaker 1: it works. I mean, you talk these cold-weather games that
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have to play year after year in
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota and Iowa and Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's the proof's in the pudding. I
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  Speaker 1: thought that play up the sidelines where the two defenders
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  Speaker 1: tried to push them out of bounds. I mean, that
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  Speaker 1: just summed up. They have been a poor tackling team.
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  Speaker 1: The through line on that is indisputable. USC has been
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  Speaker 1: a poor tackling team. from the first game of Lincoln
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  Speaker 1: Riley's run. And that's all about physicality. Look at the
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  Speaker 1: teams that are physical. It's Kyle Shanahan's team, the Ravens teams,
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  Speaker 1: like Seattle, like the teams, John, the teams that are
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  Speaker 1: physical in the NFL are consistently physical. Harbaugh teams, John
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  Speaker 1: or Jim, right? Like we know the coaches, if you
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  Speaker 1: say physical football, I mean, Andy Reid, hard practices. excellent
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  Speaker 1: tackling teams. It's the same seven or eight teams every
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  Speaker 1: year that you kind of feel like, oh, those teams.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, when I watch a Niners game, they don't
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  Speaker 1: hit like other teams. They are more physical. They're offensively
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  Speaker 1: seeking collisions. You look at USC, it is a pretty
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  Speaker 1: finesse team. They have not been even a mediocre tackling team.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody's got numbers on it, but I watched
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  Speaker 1: that Washington play, and I'm like, it was just one
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  Speaker 1: of those hands in the air. It's like, this has
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  Speaker 1: been going on now for five-plus years.
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  Speaker 2: Well, did you notice that as the game went on,
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  Speaker 2: or I mean as the week, like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: as the clips came out from the Oregon program, and
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  Speaker 2: they do a good job of getting Dan Lanning's message
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  Speaker 2: at the beginning of the week, pregame, halftime, his message
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  Speaker 2: toward the USC program. And then after, a couple days later,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're on a bye week, but they're playing USC.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's just randomly he threw out that UCLA,
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  Speaker 2: that they're playing him this week, that he goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they remind me of Indiana. I felt that was a
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  Speaker 2: double jab at USC. Like, I respect the way that
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  Speaker 2: guy's operating from a physical standpoint. We don't respect USC.
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  Speaker 2: the juice boxes, the whole thing, and specifically the offense.
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  Speaker 2: We don't respect that mentality of football. Where did Dan
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  Speaker 2: Lanning learn football? Saban, Kirby. How does Oregon want to play?
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  Speaker 2: Physical style of football. And look at Ryan Day. I've
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  Speaker 2: been an Ohio State hater. I can have nothing but
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  Speaker 2: respect for the way they operate their program. They're fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And like, does he have longstanding relationships with Matt Patricia
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  Speaker 2: and Arthur Smith? But it's like, I'm going to go
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  Speaker 2: hire the best. You're USC. You know, you should have
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  Speaker 2: the pick of the league. How much does a coordinator cost? Well,
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  Speaker 2: pay him a million dollars more than he wants. Get him.
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  Speaker 2: And it just feels like that's never been Lincoln's thing.
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  Speaker 2: Back to Oklahoma. He just has. I don't think he's
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  Speaker 2: a great identifier of coaches. And offensively, he doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: to worry about it because that's his baby.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Defensively, like Lincoln, and who knows? Maybe guys go, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to be in that operation. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to coach there. Let's face it. Who else is hiring
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  Speaker 2: Rob Ryan at this point? And Gary Pat. Who is
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  Speaker 2: hiring these guys? And you look at Ryan Day. Those
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  Speaker 2: guys go there. They thrive. And then they go on.
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  Speaker 2: Like Arthur Smith, if Belichick gets fired, I bet he's
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  Speaker 2: the next coach in North Carolina. Patricia has been a
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  Speaker 2: revelation for him the last two years hiring him. Could
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  Speaker 2: you ever envision Lincoln Riley hiring the equivalent of a
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  Speaker 2: Matt Patricia? Someone like, God, that guy's got a long
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  Speaker 2: resume of success, been around the best. No, he hired
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  Speaker 2: Gary Patterson, who had essentially been retired for years. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm pro Gary Patterson in his heyday, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what's going on. It's a tough watch, Colin. They are...
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  Speaker 2: At Wisconsin, Ohio State, at Indiana, even that at UCLA game.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no, they'd lose today to UCLA. Yeah, yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: these are teams that don't commit a lot of penalties.
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  Speaker 1: They don't match up at all with Ohio State or
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  Speaker 1: Indiana because those teams tend to be highly physical, can
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  Speaker 1: beat you down the field. They're not good in the secondary.
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  Speaker 1: Their defensive front's okay, but they're not good in the secondary.
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  Speaker 1: You can trade the Saints to win against the Falcons
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  Speaker 1: at 54% right now. I think this is a go-either-way game.
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  Speaker 1: The Falcons are 9-1 in their last 10 Monday Night
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  Speaker 1: Football games. Everybody loves the Falcons. I think it's an
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  Speaker 1: interesting game because Shuck and Penix look like franchise guys.
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  Speaker 1: I picked the Saints to win the division, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to go with them here. But I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a coin flip. Your thoughts?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go with the Saints. I think
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be a raucous environment down in
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  Speaker 2: the bayou. And the Saints have had their moments early
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  Speaker 2: in the season. They haven't been able to kind of
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  Speaker 2: seal the deal. But Tyler Shuck, Kellen Moore, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to go with the Saints.
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  Speaker 1: Former NFL scout John Middlecoff, three and out is his podcast,
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  Speaker 1: as always. Crushed it for an hour on Sunday. Good
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  Speaker 1: talking to you, bud.
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  Speaker 2: See you, Kellen.
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