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Credlin | 17 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandler live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Predline. Well, if you pick the PM's purchase
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Speaker 2: of that before and a half million dollar beach house
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Speaker 2: was tone deaf. Wait till I tell you what I
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Speaker 2: found out when I called the Prime Minister's office myself today.
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Speaker 2: Now he's the first PM in history to do this
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Speaker 2: and it's a shocker. Still on the beach house the
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Speaker 2: plot Thickens reports now that he actually spoke with ministers
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Speaker 2: and staffers about it. They said, don't do it elbow,
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Speaker 2: but he still went ahead with the purchase. At the
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Speaker 2: same time, angry backbenches, Well then, how renewing calls for
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Speaker 2: negative gearing changes plus a staggering amount of taxpayer money
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Speaker 2: being quietly spent on asylum seekers getting free legal aid.
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Speaker 2: The wonder was seeing an unprecedented number of the sylum
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Speaker 2: seekers under this government.
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Speaker 3: The common sense provide.
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Speaker 2: The government finally signing off the Abrams tanks and sending
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Speaker 2: them to Ukraine. Good news, But I wouldn't know why
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Speaker 2: it's taken over a year to get this done. But first,
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Speaker 2: this is a government in deep, deep trouble, and they're
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Speaker 2: led by a bloke that's almost going out of his
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Speaker 2: way to lose the next election. You've got still more
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Speaker 2: headlines today about the purchase of a four and a
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Speaker 2: half million dollar cliff top mansion. At the very same time,
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Speaker 2: he's trying to tell struggling Australians that he gets it,
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Speaker 2: but he doesn't those doing it tough, they don't buy it,
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Speaker 2: and worryingly for alban Easy, neither does his backbitch it stinks,
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Speaker 2: that's the message. With a cavalcade of government MPs. He's
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Speaker 2: just some of their comments. One says it looks like
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Speaker 2: he's got one foot out the door.
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Speaker 3: It's a bad look. It's a shocker.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just a f up at a press conference.
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Speaker 2: These are all remarks of dissident MPs than the Financial
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Speaker 2: Review today. What's more, says the Finn, the PM had
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Speaker 2: definitely discussed the purchase with a handful of colleagues and
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Speaker 2: had gone ahead anyway, even though all of them said,
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Speaker 2: don't do it more. Another quote, it says it looks
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Speaker 2: like he's checked out and already thinking about what's next.
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Speaker 2: It displays his lack of political and social understanding what
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Speaker 2: people are experiencing, particularly in Western Sydney. Labor MPs told
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Speaker 2: The Daily Telegraph as well as Telly showed all the
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Speaker 2: capital gains the pms made from selling property over the years.
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Speaker 2: There's a million dollars from a property in Marrickville, half
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Speaker 2: a million from a flat in Canberra and more. It's
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Speaker 2: proof of Elbow's ten ear. Four backbenches reportedly complained to
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Speaker 2: The Sydney Morning Herald. People are struggling to buy a home.
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Speaker 2: How now can we look sincere, said another MP to
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Speaker 2: The Australian, Now as I flagged would happen days ago.
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Speaker 2: Reports are in The Australian Today too that the PM's
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Speaker 2: big purchase has reignited talk inside the government about breaking
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Speaker 2: yet another election promise, this time Labour's commitment not to
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Speaker 2: touch negative gearing or the capital gains tax discount. Now
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Speaker 2: MP's reckon they've got no choice but to tackle these
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Speaker 2: policies because they say after this Beach house buy, they're
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Speaker 2: on the back foot with the Greens in particular, and
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Speaker 2: have to be seen to do more to tackle the
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Speaker 2: housing crisis. We have to do more on housing, said
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Speaker 2: one Labour MP. The answer is it's tax changes. So
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Speaker 2: because he's splashed out four and a half million dollars
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Speaker 2: on a house, you'll end up losing the tax break
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Speaker 2: on your one bedroom flat. That's your retirement netstick. Don't
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Speaker 2: mind the PM. Don't forget he's still in the old
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Speaker 2: super scheme. In addition to all this property, he'll retire
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Speaker 2: with three hundred thousand a year for life and you'll
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Speaker 2: hit again to pay for his big budget debt.
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Speaker 3: Now it's not fair, is it?
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Speaker 2: But labour moving too scrab Negative gearing is about the
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Speaker 2: only plausible explanation for the Prime Minister's rush to buy
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Speaker 2: now against all the advice of colleagues and staff, and
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Speaker 2: at this most politically awkward time. Now, as I read it,
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Speaker 2: he's got inside and knowledge that negative gearing changes are
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Speaker 2: on the way, so he's selling now and buying now
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Speaker 2: to avoid getting caught. Now, if it does turn out
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Speaker 2: these changes come in, and that as reported, existing properties
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Speaker 2: existing probably turned out to be grandfathered, this Prime ministerial
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Speaker 2: purchase won't just look tone deaf, it'll look absolutely dodgy
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Speaker 2: as well. But as I alluded to at the top
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Speaker 2: of the show, that's not the only tone deaf display
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Speaker 2: from this Prime Minister, have a listen to this. Earlier
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Speaker 2: today I had reason to call a very important office
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Speaker 2: in Canberra, an office in Parliament House, and imagine my surprise,
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Speaker 2: and rather than talk to the receptionist for the first
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Speaker 2: time in living memory, I copped a recorded message, and
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Speaker 2: not just any recorded message, but one that basically said
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Speaker 2: if I wasn't calling from another political office, if I
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Speaker 2: was just an ordinary Australian, my call, at best was
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Speaker 2: barely tolerated, and it was certainly made clear that I
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Speaker 2: would not be a priority.
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Speaker 1: Hello, and thank you for calling the office of Anthony
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Speaker 2: Now that's what you get if you call a Prime
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Speaker 2: get your call taken by one of his sixty one staff.
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Speaker 2: But it's not so helpful if you were just one
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Speaker 2: of the public wanting help. So after all of that,
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Speaker 2: for the ordinary Australian you're told a press number four.
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Speaker 2: I mean, can you believe that you're told first to
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Speaker 2: talk to another MP, to talk to a minister you
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Speaker 2: want to keep persisting, You're supposed to go then to
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Speaker 2: a senator, not bother the Prime Minister's office. And then
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Speaker 2: if you insist on contacting him, you fobbed off to
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Speaker 2: a website rather than speak to a real person. You're
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Speaker 2: told to fill in an online form and that someone
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Speaker 2: will reply later by email.
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Speaker 3: Now they want you to do that for two reasons.
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Speaker 2: First, they want to harvest your email address to then
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Speaker 2: flood you with political material, and they can do that
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Speaker 2: because politicians are exempt from the usual rules. And second
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Speaker 2: because it won't be his office that responds to your email,
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Speaker 2: they'll just flick it off to the Prime Minister's department
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Speaker 2: for the public survans to respond. So wait a month
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Speaker 2: or so and you might even get a reply. But
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Speaker 2: if all that fails to put you off and you're
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Speaker 2: still on the line, you're told you can leave a
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Speaker 2: short message, just a short one. You may or may
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Speaker 2: not get a reply, but heed the warning. If you're
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Speaker 2: not nice, the Australian Federal Police will come after you.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you are kidding me.
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Speaker 2: Paul Keating, Howard rud Gillard, Abbott, Turnbull, Morrison, all of
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Speaker 2: these Prime ministers could answer the phone. What is it
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Speaker 2: with this self confessed man of the people that Albineasy
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Speaker 2: and his offers are too good to take your call? Now,
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Speaker 2: as taxpayers, you pay those Prime ministerial staff. There's sixty
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Speaker 2: one of them, somewhere in the region of fourteen million
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Speaker 2: dollars a year, and all you get for that is
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Speaker 2: a recorded message. What's next They're going to shunt you
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Speaker 2: off to a call center India. I mean, never in
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Speaker 2: my life working in that place have I seen something
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Speaker 2: as tone deaf as this.
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Speaker 3: Just months out.
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Speaker 2: From a federal election, you get a recorded message. First,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister shuts his electorate office for almost a
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Speaker 2: year because he refused to move on those pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: protesters out the front. And now this an office that's
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Speaker 2: only prepared to talk to insiders now for the record.
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Speaker 2: I then call the opposition leader's office, Peter Dutton's office, well,
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Speaker 2: his staff there, they answer the phones themselves, says everything,
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Speaker 2: doesn't it one fifth of the staff in Dutton's office
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Speaker 2: that the government's got none of the public servants, but
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Speaker 2: to them the public matters. A Liberal MP, Julian Lisa
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Speaker 2: I gave him a ring and said this can't be right.
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Speaker 2: He said it is, Peter, and he said the whole
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Speaker 2: thing is contemptuous of the role of a parliamentarian. Parliamentarians
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Speaker 2: and their staff, whoever senior they are, need to be
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Speaker 2: accessible to constituents. It's fundamentally said to providing public accountability
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Speaker 2: in our system of government. As I said, I have
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Speaker 2: never seen anything like that. Right, we'll go to camera
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Speaker 2: the center of the crime now for tonight's headlines. Sky
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Speaker 2: News political reporter Trudy.
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Speaker 4: Macintosh Australia's jobless rate continues to defy expectations, but it
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Speaker 4: could mean bad news to come for mortgage holders. Unemployment
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Speaker 4: remains steady at four point one percent. More than sixty
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Speaker 4: four thousand jobs were added last month, fifty one thousand
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Speaker 4: full time and over twelve thousand part time. The Albanezy
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Speaker 4: government is touting a million job milestone.
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Speaker 5: This is the most jobs ever created in a single
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Speaker 5: parliamentary term by any Australian government.
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Speaker 2: Ever, all the government does is pet themselves on the
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Speaker 2: back and tell Australians how good they've got it.
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Speaker 4: But two economists worn today, stronger than expected jobs data
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Speaker 4: could lead the Reserve Bank to hike interest rates.
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Speaker 1: Whether it's November, December or February, I still think.
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Speaker 5: Eventually they're going to have to raise rates before all
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Speaker 5: said and done, and that's most likely to be The
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Speaker 5: next move is a hike, not a cut.
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Speaker 6: You know, if they keep holding and nothing happens, that
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Speaker 6: suggests to me they probably need to raise.
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Speaker 4: And dozens of Australian tanks will be saved from the
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Speaker 4: scrap heap and gifted to Ukraine instead. Forty nine retiring
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Speaker 4: M one Abrams tanks will be sent to Ukraine to
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Speaker 4: help in the fight against Russia's invasion.
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Speaker 2: These tanks are in good condition, they will be able
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Speaker 2: to make a significant difference.
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Speaker 7: On fundline as all thousand kilometers long, so the thanks
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Speaker 7: will play a major role in helping us to defend it.
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Speaker 4: Trudy Macintosh, Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: What all around those headlines and more do you get
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Speaker 3: across them?
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Speaker 8: Now?
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Speaker 2: And joined by the Deputy Director Events, your to Public
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Speaker 2: Affairs and your Wild and journalists of the Daily Telly
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Speaker 2: James Willis Well, gentlemen, welcome the purchase of this four
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Speaker 2: and a half million dollar beach home. It hasn't gone
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Speaker 2: away in deeds, has actually sparked a renewed push today
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Speaker 2: for negative gearing changes within the labor ranks. The Australians
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Speaker 2: reporting growing debate within the party. We know there was
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Speaker 2: the modeling done by the Treasurer. Didn't want to admit
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Speaker 2: it eventually did and this schism between him and the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister over housing policy more generally Daniel a lot
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Speaker 2: of labor MPs. Now it's been two or three days
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Speaker 2: of bleeding on this issue. They are slamming this purchase.
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Speaker 2: We find out today, of course that he canvassed it
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Speaker 2: internally the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: They said, don't go there. He did it anyway, and now.
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Speaker 2: This has given grounds for this big debate to re
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Speaker 2: emerge in relation to negative gearing.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's right, Peter, this is hypocritical. There's nothing wrong
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Speaker 9: with a prime minister buying a big house, fair enough,
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Speaker 9: but he's doing so at the exact time that his
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Speaker 9: government is imposing policies on our nation that are making
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Speaker 9: it more difficult for Australians to buy their own home.
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Speaker 9: That's the problem here. We've got this uncontrolled mass migration
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Speaker 9: program which is pushing the accelerator on demand. At the
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Speaker 9: same time we've got the break being slammed on housing approvals.
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Speaker 9: Housing approvals are at nineteen eighties levels. The government is
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Speaker 9: already twenty five percent behind on its commitment to build
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Speaker 9: one point two million homes over the next five years.
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Speaker 9: As you were talking about in your editorial, there are
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Speaker 9: now labor MPs saying the only housing policy that we've
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Speaker 9: got is to increase taxes on mainstream Australians. Well, no,
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Speaker 9: that's not going to get the job done. You need
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Speaker 9: to reduce the migration program, reduce the red tape and
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Speaker 9: the barriers to housing construction. But as we've talked about before,
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Speaker 9: the only ideas that this government has is around redistribution
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Speaker 9: rather than growth, and we're seeing that yet again.
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Speaker 2: James willis what do you make of what I just
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Speaker 2: play there? Before you know, I called the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 2: office today. Never in Australian prime ministerial history have you
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Speaker 2: called that office in our country and got a re
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Speaker 2: corded message. Insiders are okay, they'll eventually get to your call.
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Speaker 2: But everyone else, and we pay fourteen million dollars for
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Speaker 2: these staffers, none of them want to take our call.
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Speaker 2: They're all too important now to answer the fight. I
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Speaker 2: think it's a shocking book.
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Speaker 7: Peter. I agree with you, and I would suggest that
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Speaker 7: the phone lines have probably been jammed in the last
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Speaker 7: few days off the back of the revelation that the
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister has purchased a four point three million dollar
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Speaker 7: home on the Central Coast. But I just wonder, and
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Speaker 7: you have to think about this out loud. Keep in
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Speaker 7: mind the Prime Minister also has a three million dollar
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Speaker 7: annual expense bill which is for comcrs and travel the
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Speaker 7: largest party's employee travel. But people have to wonder what
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Speaker 7: this number of staff actually does now. In fairness, during COVID,
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Speaker 7: Scott Morrison's staff number I think was sixty two, But
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Speaker 7: that doesn't mean Anthony Abernezi needs sixty one staff. What
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Speaker 7: do they all do when you have a public service,
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Speaker 7: You've got a massive bureaucracy, you've got minisey staff, you've
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Speaker 7: got the Department of Prime Minister in cabinet, state governments,
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Speaker 7: local governments. Honestly, why does the Prime Minister of Australia
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Speaker 7: need that many staff? And if they can't answer the
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Speaker 7: phone or find someone to do so, then what is
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Speaker 7: the point? I mean, I agree with you. I think
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Speaker 7: it's ridiculous. It's poor customer service. Sure you're not expecting
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Speaker 7: to ring and get straight through to elbow, but someone
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Speaker 7: there should be saying we understand that. I get the feeling, though, Peter.
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Speaker 7: In the last few days that phone and that number
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Speaker 7: has been running hot.
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Speaker 2: Look it's NATS and I know in my time, and
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Speaker 2: certainly I saw Tony Abbot do it most days, particularly
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Speaker 2: after question time. He'd go down and talk to our
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Speaker 2: telephonists and ask them, you know, what are people saying
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Speaker 2: on the phones, So what's the mood out there?
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Speaker 3: What are we hearing.
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Speaker 2: I'd often go down there myself and say, you know,
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Speaker 2: take a temperature check now, it's incredibly important to get
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Speaker 2: that feedback. It was like a mini focus group and
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Speaker 2: this blug just you know, shuts you off in an email.
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Speaker 2: If you even get that, let's go to I guess
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Speaker 2: a big wake up call for one of the school sectors.
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Speaker 2: This is the Catholic school sector coming out today saying
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Speaker 2: that they want to avoid the mistakes made by the
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Speaker 2: universities because the universities, they say, have refused to confront
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism. The head of Catholic schools in South Wales,
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Speaker 2: Dallas McInerney, he's labeled the university actions as an art
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Speaker 2: of failure and he says that education is the best
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Speaker 2: antidote to bigotry. One of Britain's longer serving education ministers, too,
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Speaker 2: is saying that reforms that rejected progressivist ideologies required, not
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Speaker 2: just a change to the curriculum. We certainly haven't seen
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Speaker 2: a change to the curriculum in Australia, but he says
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Speaker 2: we've got to change the hearts and minds of our
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Speaker 2: whole profession. Well, Daniel, he's talking about the teachers there,
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Speaker 2: and I think we talk about the left taking over
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Speaker 2: the institutions if we want to get our country back
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Speaker 2: we've got to take back these institutions, don't we.
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Speaker 9: We do, absolutely, and it's refreshing leadership from Dallas Macinerny
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Speaker 9: and the Catholic schools Australia because we've seen the complete
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Speaker 9: and total failure of our universities, the moral cowardice from
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Speaker 9: the vice chancellors and the bureaucratic class. I mean, these
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Speaker 9: were once bastions of free and open intellectual pursuit, of
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Speaker 9: intellectual giants who were paving the way forward for societal advancement.
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Speaker 9: Now they fail to call out what is often rain
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Speaker 9: anti semitism on campus, or our best turn a blind
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Speaker 9: eye to it. The broader problems in our education system
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Speaker 9: are there to see. Our spending is going up, tax
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Speaker 9: based spending is going up every single year, but results
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Speaker 9: are going backwards. It's not that we're not spending enough,
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Speaker 9: it's that we're not teaching the right things. Too many
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Speaker 9: students graduate school without the capacity to do reading, writing,
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Speaker 9: maths and critical analytical skills. They are being indoctrinated in
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Speaker 9: what is often very anti Australian retric So this should
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Speaker 9: be I think a wake up call and refreshing leadership
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Speaker 9: which we've all been waiting to see just.
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Speaker 3: Stay with the universities.
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Speaker 2: Despite vowing to cracked down on the practice, it's been
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Speaker 2: revealed the University of Sydney it's still allowing people to
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Speaker 2: self identify as Indigenous, so not to three part Marbo test.
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Speaker 2: They just have to front the university with a statutory declaration. James,
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Speaker 2: this is your scoop today and the Telly and it's
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Speaker 2: got a whole lot of Indigenous elders saying that the
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Speaker 2: practice is bogus.
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Speaker 7: Peter, I think this is crazy and the hypocrisy that
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Speaker 7: has been shown here is unbelievable. A quick backstory. Two
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Speaker 7: years ago, in fact, probably five years ago, Sydney University
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Speaker 7: was warned that there were staff and students that were
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Speaker 7: fraudulently identifying as Indigenous in order to receive the various
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Speaker 7: benefits and supplements that came with that scheme. This warning
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Speaker 7: came from respected members of the Indigenous community. That UNI
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Speaker 7: acknowledged this and said they were going to crack down
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Speaker 7: on this practice and require people to have a document
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Speaker 7: from a land council or an Indigenous run group. In
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Speaker 7: October twenty twenty two, there was a number of controversial
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Speaker 7: yarning forums on campus and as a result of what
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Speaker 7: was said by Aboriginal people at those forums, Mark Scott,
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Speaker 7: the vice chancellor, who's on one point two million dollars
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Speaker 7: a year, decided to pause this crackdown. Two years later,
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Speaker 7: nothing has happened and students at the university are allowed
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Speaker 7: to sign stat decks to say that they are Indigenous.
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Speaker 7: Now we've checked with other universities in Sydney, it doesn't
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Speaker 7: appear that anyone is as loose as what Sydney University is.
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Speaker 7: But why this is important largely is that Indigenous people say,
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Speaker 7: when you're not actually scrutinizing this, then the money and
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Speaker 7: the funding and the scholarships are actually going to the
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Speaker 7: wrong people and not too genuine Indigenous people who actually
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Speaker 7: need it. And there's two million dollars a year that
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Speaker 7: Sydney University gets from the Ni Douba for Indigenous student
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Speaker 7: enrollment and performance. So we should all care about this
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Speaker 7: and Sidney UNI being very woke here and deciding not
20:56
Speaker 7: to do the right thing and listen to some of
20:59
Speaker 7: the Indigenous voices that they've heard over the last few years.
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Speaker 2: Now, THEA for People at Home is a government funding organization,
21:07
Speaker 2: so if that money is being potentially misused, not getting
21:13
Speaker 2: into the hands of our Aboriginal students, genuinely indigenous students,
21:17
Speaker 2: or the government should end the funding. It should have
21:19
Speaker 2: an order into how the funding has been progressed. Something
21:21
Speaker 2: we know just Enterprise has been banging on for many, many,
21:24
Speaker 2: many weeks on. We'll see if she gets moving on
21:27
Speaker 2: that just quickly.
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Speaker 3: Dwan.
21:28
Speaker 2: We had a slight drop today in the unemployment number,
21:31
Speaker 2: and that's fantastic. We want Australians in work. But when
21:35
Speaker 2: the government then goes out and sprooks and brags about
21:38
Speaker 2: all the jobs it's created, let's not forget that the
21:41
Speaker 2: bulk of the jobs they're creating are jobs we're paying
21:44
Speaker 2: for because they're taxpayer funded public sector jobs.
21:48
Speaker 10: Well, that's right.
21:49
Speaker 9: We're in a private sector recession. Ask anyone running a
21:51
Speaker 9: small business how it's going for them. The reality is
21:54
Speaker 9: that the economy is being propped up by two unsustainable things,
21:58
Speaker 9: mass migration and debt fuel to government spending. Yes, that
22:01
Speaker 9: will create jobs in the short term, but wait until
22:04
Speaker 9: the economic downfall comes, which is inevitable unless the government
22:07
Speaker 9: gets its economic house in order.
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Speaker 2: All right, I'll leave it there, gentlemen, thank you. I'm
22:12
Speaker 2: in that scoop too, mister willis all right. Dozens of
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Speaker 2: Australian tanks will be saved from the scrap heap and
22:18
Speaker 2: given to Ukraine. Following a year long campaign to secure
22:21
Speaker 2: the machinery. Forty nine Abrams tanks will be sent to
22:25
Speaker 2: Kiev and the deal that takes Australia's total support for
22:28
Speaker 2: the country beyond one point five billion dollars.
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Speaker 3: That's cash and kind for more.
22:33
Speaker 2: I'm joined now and by Australia's former Chief of Army,
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Speaker 2: Retired General Peter lay Well. Peter lay thank you for
22:38
Speaker 2: your time. They've been asking for twelve months to get
22:41
Speaker 2: their hands on these tanks. Why do you think it's
22:44
Speaker 2: taken us so long for the government to agree to
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Speaker 2: send them?
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Speaker 11: Peter, thanks for inviting me on. It's hard to fathom this.
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Speaker 11: It's taken very long. We've had the similar example with
22:56
Speaker 11: the Tiger Helicopter's never got there. In fact, they're buried
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Speaker 11: somewhere in North Queensland. I can understand why it took
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Speaker 11: a little while, or might have taken a little while,
23:06
Speaker 11: because we've been waiting for the new tanks to arrive. Well,
23:10
Speaker 11: thinking about twenty seven or twenty nine of them, in country.
23:13
Speaker 11: They've been here a little while, we could have been
23:15
Speaker 11: moving the old tanks incrementally towards Ukraine. We know that
23:20
Speaker 11: they're needed there, and anyone who's been in the military
23:23
Speaker 11: would tell you that tanks save lives, and we want
23:27
Speaker 11: to save Ukrainian lives. That they're in the fight of
23:29
Speaker 11: their life over there. They're fighting against the autocratic Russia,
23:34
Speaker 11: they're fighting against an illegal, immoral invasion, and we should
23:39
Speaker 11: be hoping them as much as we can. So it's
23:41
Speaker 11: a bit hard to fathom. I can understand in some
23:44
Speaker 11: ways that we wanted to make sure that the end
23:47
Speaker 11: users certificate, and that's the Americans who sold us the
23:50
Speaker 11: tanks want to know where they're going. Well, that's not
23:54
Speaker 11: real hard. The Americans have got thirty one of their
23:56
Speaker 11: own end one tanks there as well, so it's not
23:58
Speaker 11: as though we're introducing something new to the battlefield. And
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Speaker 11: if I think about it long enough, I think maybe
24:05
Speaker 11: Australia just overthinks these sorts of things. We're in a fight,
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Speaker 11: a generational fight against an autocratic power, and we should
24:13
Speaker 11: be helping Ukraine and others who involved around the world
24:17
Speaker 11: as much as we can, or also becoming looking for
24:21
Speaker 11: us next.
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Speaker 2: You probably know more about these tanks than anyone. You
24:26
Speaker 2: are a chief of army when they are actually introduced.
24:28
Speaker 2: So help us understand why tanks make such a difference
24:32
Speaker 2: in this fight against Russia. How will they compare against
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Speaker 2: the stock we're seeing Russia use?
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Speaker 11: Well put, simply, they're a better tank. And the stock
24:43
Speaker 11: that the Russians are using predominantly is the T ninety tank.
24:48
Speaker 11: It's a lighter tank, it's not as fully armored. It
24:52
Speaker 11: moves around the battlefield well, but the Russians are losing
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Speaker 11: a lot of them. Any tank has got firepower, mobility
25:01
Speaker 11: and maneuverability. It's got the ability to pick the target
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Speaker 11: out by day or by night. They've got thermal sights
25:09
Speaker 11: and so on. The M one tank has got about
25:11
Speaker 11: the best protection that is armored protection around. So it
25:16
Speaker 11: just means that next to you you've got something that
25:18
Speaker 11: can provide protection. It can fire with its one twenty
25:22
Speaker 11: millimeter cannon a long distance and exceptionally accurately. The Russian
25:27
Speaker 11: tanks are not as good. They can't fire a killing
25:31
Speaker 11: shot at the sorts of distances that our tanks can.
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Speaker 11: We've seen on the battlefield the T fourteen, which is
25:38
Speaker 11: a prototype tank from Russia. A Marta is its name.
25:43
Speaker 11: It was meant to be the tank that would replace
25:45
Speaker 11: the T ninety. It's very seldom seen on the battlefield.
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Speaker 11: It gives us suggestion that it's not all that good
25:51
Speaker 11: and they don't want it there. If you've got a
25:53
Speaker 11: tank next to you on the battlefield, you're feeling pretty
25:56
Speaker 11: comfortable because you've got that protection, you've got the firepower,
25:59
Speaker 11: you've got the medications, and you've got the mobility and
26:02
Speaker 11: it makes a big difference.
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Speaker 3: So this begs a question.
26:08
Speaker 2: Then it wasn't long ago that we gave them a
26:10
Speaker 2: hundred bush Masters, but we've got about a thousand bush
26:13
Speaker 2: Masters rusting away in a shed in Brisbane. We've got
26:16
Speaker 2: the retirement obviously you mentioned there of those Tiger helicopters.
26:18
Speaker 2: We've got Hawkeyes we could also send. What else can
26:22
Speaker 2: we give to the Ukrainians And why don't we just
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Speaker 2: get on with it?
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Speaker 11: Well, I'm sure we're doing a survey and we probably
26:29
Speaker 11: know what we can gift, but the point is to
26:32
Speaker 11: make the decision. And as I said, I think we
26:34
Speaker 11: just overthink this. There are too many people involved in it.
26:37
Speaker 11: If you get down to basics here. Our allies in
26:41
Speaker 11: the Ukraine is an ally a fighting and generational fight.
26:45
Speaker 11: We should be helping them as much as we can
26:47
Speaker 11: and not thinking about it too much, but moving as
26:49
Speaker 11: much equipment there as we can. They certainly need ammunition.
26:53
Speaker 11: We're doing some training in the United Kingdom and I
26:56
Speaker 11: think that's a good thing. But I think there's more
26:58
Speaker 11: that can be done, particularly when we see some of
27:01
Speaker 11: the NATO countries and other countries sort of equivocating on
27:05
Speaker 11: what they're going to be doing. I think it's time
27:07
Speaker 11: for us to really step up and help them out.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong, General lay. I really appreciate your time tonight.
27:14
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. Remember we had that story last
27:18
Speaker 2: week about the chief of staff in the Defense Minister's
27:21
Speaker 2: office who's for whatever reason, taking action against the Defense
27:26
Speaker 2: Minister the dysfunction in that office. She is still being
27:29
Speaker 2: paid after many months, but it's working in an office
27:31
Speaker 2: down the corridor, not even allowed to go back to
27:33
Speaker 2: her old office. When you want to know why these
27:36
Speaker 2: decisions matter, that's why they matter. For a year we've
27:40
Speaker 2: sat on something like that. We should have been able
27:42
Speaker 2: to move within a couple of months through the NSC
27:45
Speaker 2: all right after the break. Now one I was seeing
27:47
Speaker 2: an unprecedented number of asylum seekers when the government's actually
27:51
Speaker 2: funding their legal aid, and why the left persistent denigration
27:55
Speaker 2: of our past is now catching up with us, causing
27:58
Speaker 2: a rot across the West that we desperately.
28:01
Speaker 3: Need to shake.
28:07
Speaker 2: Welcome back still to calm the insane amount of taxpayer
28:09
Speaker 2: money being spent by labor to fund the legal aid
28:12
Speaker 2: of asylum seekers. The first part of the left's long
28:16
Speaker 2: march for our institutions has been in the constant denigration
28:19
Speaker 2: of our history. The Marxist left that sees everything through
28:23
Speaker 2: the prism of oppressed and oppressors, has decreed that our
28:27
Speaker 2: history is a long tale of shame, essentially the story
28:31
Speaker 2: of a world ruined by Western colonialism, British colonialism. Especially
28:37
Speaker 2: with democracy under increasing challenge from aggressive dictatorships, we need
28:42
Speaker 2: strong leadership now more than ever, Yet so often the
28:45
Speaker 2: leaders we have spend more time apologizing for our countries
28:49
Speaker 2: than defending them. Joining me now to discuss how we
28:53
Speaker 2: turn this around, or even if we can thinker. Author
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Speaker 2: and professor emeritus of moral theology at the University of
29:01
Speaker 2: Oxford nigea bigger Well. Nigel, welcome to the program and
29:05
Speaker 2: welcome to Australia. Across the West, we've seen ongoing turmoil
29:10
Speaker 2: since October seven, but it's been particularly pronounced in places
29:14
Speaker 2: like Australia in the UK. Have you been surprised by
29:18
Speaker 2: what we've seen.
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Speaker 5: Yes, Peter, I was surprised when I first fell into
29:25
Speaker 5: the cultural war and colonial history in December twenty seventeen.
29:29
Speaker 5: I had no idea that my view that the British
29:33
Speaker 5: Empire involved both good and bad, which seems a commonsensical view,
29:39
Speaker 5: was so controversial, so I was completely surprised by it.
29:44
Speaker 5: I think views that were common sense ten years ago
29:47
Speaker 5: are no longer common sense, and one reason has to
29:51
Speaker 5: do with the upsurge in the influence of the Black
29:55
Speaker 5: Lives Matter movement after the killing of George Floyd in
29:58
Speaker 5: Minneapolis in May twenty twenty, which, as you know, has
30:03
Speaker 5: a very stark view of the opposition between white and black,
30:07
Speaker 5: between white supremacists and black victims, and I think that's
30:13
Speaker 5: highly responsible for the very polarized view that seems to
30:17
Speaker 5: predominate at the moment.
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Speaker 2: What about since October seventh, though, I mean, I have
30:24
Speaker 2: been ashamed of what I've seen on the streets of Australia. Yes,
30:27
Speaker 2: it's a minority, but I would never have thought our
30:30
Speaker 2: country would be in the position where Jews feel safer
30:33
Speaker 2: in a war zone that's now Israel than they do
30:36
Speaker 2: on the streets of Melbourne and Sydney. And I know
30:38
Speaker 2: that's been a feature of what's been happening in the UK.
30:41
Speaker 3: How do you see all of that?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean that's connected with the decolonizing story,
30:49
Speaker 5: isn't it, Because a lot of these folk see Israel
30:54
Speaker 5: as a settler colonial state and the Palestinians as are
31:00
Speaker 5: indigenous people's robbed of their land. The actual history is
31:04
Speaker 5: a whole lot more complicated than that, but that that
31:07
Speaker 5: stark binary narrative of black versus white helps to feed
31:11
Speaker 5: this frenzy, this political frenzy over Gaza. Yes, I was
31:18
Speaker 5: shocked by the intemperance of the protests and also the
31:23
Speaker 5: weakness of the authorities in dealing with them. That's partly because,
31:27
Speaker 5: of course, certainly in my country and probably here too,
31:31
Speaker 5: we have a significant Muslim population whose natural affinity is
31:37
Speaker 5: with the Palestinians.
31:40
Speaker 2: Okay, so we know what the problem is. How do
31:42
Speaker 2: we how do we get the narrative back from the
31:44
Speaker 2: left because they've captured our institutions.
31:47
Speaker 3: They're certainly very.
31:50
Speaker 2: Much listened to by younger generations.
31:53
Speaker 3: How do we get our nations back on track?
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Speaker 5: The first thing is that some people need to start
32:02
Speaker 5: speaking the truth. And that's what I've tried to do
32:04
Speaker 5: in my book on colonialism. I don't whitewash the British
32:08
Speaker 5: Empire and pretend nothing bad happened under it. Any long
32:13
Speaker 5: standing state, and the British Empire lasted four hundred years
32:16
Speaker 5: and stretched from Newfoundland in New Zealand is going to
32:19
Speaker 5: involve bad as well as good, and the British Empire
32:22
Speaker 5: certainly did. But the whole truth is the British Empire
32:26
Speaker 5: achieved some remarkable things, not least the abolition of slavery
32:31
Speaker 5: across the world from Brazil to June, New Zealand. And
32:36
Speaker 5: so we need the whole story out there. We need
32:38
Speaker 5: more people to tell that story. And the good news
32:42
Speaker 5: is that there are lots of people out there. I
32:44
Speaker 5: think a majority of people who don't know much history,
32:46
Speaker 5: but who suspect that the cartoonish caricature of our colonial past,
32:52
Speaker 5: our imperial past, is not true, and they're hungry for
32:57
Speaker 5: a more sensible balanced point of view, and the fact
32:59
Speaker 5: that quadrup magazine has scene fit to bring me to
33:02
Speaker 5: Australia to do us speaking to us suggests they think
33:06
Speaker 5: there's an appetite for it.
33:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should declare at this point I'm on the
33:11
Speaker 2: board of Quadrant. But I had a good look at
33:13
Speaker 2: your book Colonialism A Moral Reckoning. You're trying to give
33:18
Speaker 2: us all a very balanced account. You know you said
33:21
Speaker 2: there you acknowledge the bad as well as the good.
33:22
Speaker 2: I think there's plenty of good. I think the good
33:24
Speaker 2: outweighs the bad. But here in Australia, you know, that
33:29
Speaker 2: debate about the colonial settlement of Australia has got to
33:33
Speaker 2: the point that we can't acknowledge our National Day anymore
33:37
Speaker 2: January twenty sixth without great controversy. I think we're starting
33:40
Speaker 2: to see a bit of a fight back on that point.
33:42
Speaker 2: But you know you're a historian on balance. Was the
33:47
Speaker 2: British settlement of Australia good or bad?
33:53
Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 5: First of all, this is a really important fight to
33:56
Speaker 5: win because the decolonizing story calls into into calls into
34:03
Speaker 5: question the legitimacy of Australia, of Canada, of the United States,
34:09
Speaker 5: and of four hundred years worth of British engagement with
34:13
Speaker 5: the world. And what's the stake here really is the
34:15
Speaker 5: record of a very important part of the West. And
34:18
Speaker 5: right now, when the West is being threatened by autocratic
34:21
Speaker 5: regimes like Russia and China, we don't need our self
34:25
Speaker 5: confidence to be corroded by a highly distorted, politically destructive narrative.
34:32
Speaker 5: As for Australia, well, look, I mean again, in the
34:36
Speaker 5: course of colonization, bad things happened, but many Aboriginal people's
34:41
Speaker 5: actually found the settlers attractive, partly because the settlers were
34:45
Speaker 5: able to provide more food. So the story in Australia,
34:48
Speaker 5: contrary to some accounts, is not simply one of opposition.
34:53
Speaker 5: There's also accommodation and fascination. And as for whether Australia
35:01
Speaker 5: turned out better than worse, we'll look. Australia is one
35:05
Speaker 5: of the most prosperous, one of the most liberal countries
35:08
Speaker 5: on Earth, and I noticed in the latest World Value
35:14
Speaker 5: Survey data from twenty twenty two, Australia, Canada, Britain and
35:20
Speaker 5: the US appear to be among the least racist countries
35:23
Speaker 5: on Earth, much less racist than China or Iran or Russia.
35:29
Speaker 5: So yes, history, our history, Australian history, contains lots so
35:34
Speaker 5: bad as well as good. But the trajectory has been
35:38
Speaker 5: has been very positive. And so we're in a situation
35:41
Speaker 5: now where I believe eighty percent of people with indigenous
35:47
Speaker 5: blood in Australia are prospering more or less like the
35:52
Speaker 5: average Australian. There are twenty percent who are languishing in
35:56
Speaker 5: remote communities. But most people with Aboriginal blood are prosper
36:00
Speaker 5: in Australia, and I think that needs to be underlined.
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Speaker 2: I think most of my audience watching tonight would agree
36:09
Speaker 2: with that sentiment. Nigel Bigger, thank you for your time
36:12
Speaker 2: and welcome to Australia. As I said, look forward to
36:13
Speaker 2: catching up with you soon. All right, after the break,
36:17
Speaker 2: it's not going to be easy cleaning up the CFMU
36:20
Speaker 2: with the administrator being warned of an imminent death threat,
36:24
Speaker 2: plus a Tony Burke appointed to a big government board
36:27
Speaker 2: position who's accused Israel of conducting wait for it, a holocaust.
36:32
Speaker 2: That's a big word, an important word, and it's used
36:34
Speaker 2: a very bad way.
36:35
Speaker 10: There.
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Speaker 3: More on that shortly.
36:40
Speaker 2: All right, let's get across some other headlines. We'll bring
36:42
Speaker 2: you my panel now Spectator columnist Terry Barnes Pauling Hands's
36:45
Speaker 2: chief of staff, of course, candidate very very soon an
36:48
Speaker 2: election a couple of weeks away in Keppel, Queensland election.
36:51
Speaker 2: James Ashby, Welcome to you both. I want to start
36:54
Speaker 2: with the government's efforts, they say, to clean up the CFMAU.
36:58
Speaker 2: In the latest shocking development, police have warned the administrator
37:02
Speaker 2: appointed by Labor that a death threat is imminent. It
37:06
Speaker 2: also comes as unions for the building industry well, they're
37:09
Speaker 2: threatening to revolt against Labor at the next election by
37:13
Speaker 2: throwing millions at independent candidates. Terry, it's a bit of
37:17
Speaker 2: a mess. How you think this is all going to
37:18
Speaker 2: play out?
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Speaker 12: Well, the first thing, Peter is I hope that Mark
37:23
Speaker 12: irbink C, the administrator, is getting adequate police protection. Will
37:27
Speaker 12: certainly support in terms of dealing with the death threat.
37:29
Speaker 12: I think it's a very serious development that we should
37:32
Speaker 12: all be concerned about in terms of the Labor Party
37:35
Speaker 12: and the CFMEU. I mean, if you lie down with
37:38
Speaker 12: the dogs, you get up with the police, don't you.
37:40
Speaker 12: And certainly I think in this case that the pleas
37:42
Speaker 12: are biting the Albaneze government left right and center Now
37:45
Speaker 12: if the CFMEU is talking about disappiliation from the LPN,
37:49
Speaker 12: disappiliations from the ACTU, that could potentially be politically beneficial
37:54
Speaker 12: for the government, particularly for the Prime Minister in relation
37:59
Speaker 12: to dealing with this is a problem because that would
38:02
Speaker 12: give them clear air to really go hard to try
38:05
Speaker 12: and clean up the ACFMU and the building industry.
38:11
Speaker 2: Let's go to the gas story yesterday that the Coalition
38:14
Speaker 2: said it will now put gas inside the capacity Investment scheme.
38:19
Speaker 2: Previously Labor had ruled it could only be used this
38:21
Speaker 2: funding for renewables.
38:23
Speaker 3: Lobby groups, energy.
38:24
Speaker 2: Companies have all come out and said it's a smart idea.
38:27
Speaker 2: The head of Woodside says very sensible. But the Climate
38:31
Speaker 2: Change Za former Liberal Treasurer Matt Kean he has gotten
38:35
Speaker 2: really cranky James Ashby about taxpayer handouts. He calls them
38:40
Speaker 2: to keep coal stations like Erarring running. Well, the only
38:44
Speaker 2: reason we need to keep Erring running is otherwise there'd
38:47
Speaker 2: be no lights on in Sydney.
38:49
Speaker 3: I mean, this is crazy stuff.
38:53
Speaker 13: Well, if you think Bacarahring was sold off for fifty
38:55
Speaker 13: million dollars by the New South Wales government back in
38:58
Speaker 13: about twenty thirteen, I think it was, and now they're
39:01
Speaker 13: looking to pay in subsidies as a government two hundred
39:05
Speaker 13: and twenty five million dollars a year.
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Speaker 10: They said they'd washed their hands of it back then.
39:09
Speaker 13: Well, now, because they can't keep the lights on with
39:11
Speaker 13: these renewable projects, they're having to chip in and we're
39:14
Speaker 13: all having to pay for it, of course through our
39:16
Speaker 13: higher electricity bills. You know, it's one thing to go
39:19
Speaker 13: down this path of renewables. I've got them on my rooftop.
39:22
Speaker 13: They're good for only so much. When I get a
39:24
Speaker 13: few extra guests in. Guess what that solo hot water
39:27
Speaker 13: system needs the button flicked on at the wall so
39:31
Speaker 13: that it uses electricity as well to keep the hot
39:34
Speaker 13: water up to the guests in the house.
39:36
Speaker 10: And same with the power.
39:38
Speaker 13: We've got to have redundancy measures because when the wind
39:41
Speaker 13: isn't blowing, the sun isn't shining, of course, we've got
39:44
Speaker 13: to peak that electricity back into the grid and that
39:48
Speaker 13: means having these peaking gas stations, and so it should
39:51
Speaker 13: be part of that scope because if we're going to
39:54
Speaker 13: have capacity moving forward as a country, we definitely need
39:58
Speaker 13: gas in the mix.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to New South Wales and use your health
40:05
Speaker 2: brain health policy brain, Terry Barnes. The New South Wales
40:09
Speaker 2: government is going to double the amount that patients with
40:12
Speaker 2: private health cover have to pay to use a public
40:16
Speaker 2: hospital room. Now that will be double dipping. It's a
40:20
Speaker 2: massive increase. How's this going to be helpful? Surely this
40:24
Speaker 2: will make people who have got private health insurance basically
40:28
Speaker 2: give it up so they get the room for free
40:30
Speaker 2: rather than pay double as well as their private health insurance.
40:37
Speaker 12: Yes, well that's right, and I think the health insurance
40:39
Speaker 12: industry is right to be concerned about this, and more
40:41
Speaker 12: than the point, I think health insurance premium payers have
40:45
Speaker 12: every right to be absolutely angry about it. New South
40:47
Speaker 12: Wales is the only state with it where this happens.
40:49
Speaker 12: And and don't forget there is no GSD on your private
40:52
Speaker 12: health insurance premiums because it's seen as a health product
40:55
Speaker 12: now when it comes to New South Wales and it
40:58
Speaker 12: comes to other states as well. And there's another side
41:01
Speaker 12: to this, and that is the fact that they have
41:03
Speaker 12: people on their staff. So usually the titles like patiently
41:07
Speaker 12: aison office, so you go rock up to emergencies, say
41:10
Speaker 12: and they ask you if you've got private health insurance
41:12
Speaker 12: and you say yes, Actually, they actually pray on you
41:15
Speaker 12: to actually use it. So they want that health fund
41:18
Speaker 12: money in the system because it saves them many thousands
41:21
Speaker 12: of public patient money. So this is a the cost
41:25
Speaker 12: of a private room is something that is worthwhile to
41:28
Speaker 12: the states. Why New South Wales is trying to tax that,
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Speaker 12: I just do not know. I just think it is
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Speaker 12: bad policy. If I was the federal health Minister, Peter
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Speaker 12: and I was once involved in dishing out public hospital
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Speaker 12: funding to the states, I would actually dock New South
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Speaker 12: Wales a dollar for every dollar they take from that tax.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the US.
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Speaker 2: Kabala Harris sent down for an interview on Fox News,
41:53
Speaker 2: and she was asked about a poll James which found
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Speaker 2: a nearly eighty percent of the country America is on
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Speaker 2: the wrong track.
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Speaker 8: Have a listen they say the country is on the
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Speaker 8: wrong track. If it's on the wrong track, that track
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Speaker 8: follows three and a half years of you being vice
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Speaker 8: president and President Biden being president. Why are they saying
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Speaker 8: that if you're turning the page. You've been in office
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Speaker 8: for three and a half years.
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Speaker 3: And Donald Trump has been running for office.
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Speaker 11: But you've been the person home on the office.
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Speaker 3: You and I both know what I'm talking about. You
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Speaker 3: and I both know what I'm actually do. What are
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Speaker 3: you talking about, James, What do you make of that performance?
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Speaker 13: Well, it's a bit worse than our Queensland want to
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Speaker 13: be Premier Sere during the debate yesterday. But she is
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Speaker 13: avoiding so many of these questions that have been asked
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Speaker 13: about migration. As we know here in Australia, we had
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Speaker 13: fifty thousand rock up on our shore illegally here all
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Speaker 13: those years ago under Gillard and Rod they were eventually
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Speaker 13: held accountable, whereas Camilla does not want to be held
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Speaker 13: accountable for the six million people that have arrived illegally.
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Speaker 13: You know the pressure that fifty thousand put on us.
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Speaker 13: Can you imagine six million extra illegal migrants coming across
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Speaker 13: a border and you as a country having to deal
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Speaker 13: with it, you as taxpayers, having to foot the bill
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Speaker 13: to put these people somewhere.
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Speaker 10: This is what America's feeling at the moment. It's what
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Speaker 10: we're feeling here in Australia as well.
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Speaker 13: But their numbers are just excruciating, and she refuses to
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Speaker 13: answer questions.
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Speaker 2: Terry, you've worked on election campaigns. The fact that she's
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Speaker 2: gone onto the arch nemesis. Fox News Networks says to
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Speaker 2: me that they're fearing that her campaign has stalled and
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Speaker 2: she has to start taking some risks.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I think that's right, and certainly she took
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Speaker 12: a risk, and I don't think it paid off because
43:45
Speaker 12: we had word Salad Cami. Yet again, didn't we I mean,
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Speaker 12: she didn't really answer the really big question, which is
43:52
Speaker 12: towards the end of the interview, which is when did
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Speaker 12: you know that Joe Biden wasn't up to it? She
43:56
Speaker 12: absolutely punched that she went into Donald Trump and his
43:58
Speaker 12: mental state know touched Joe Biden?
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Speaker 11: Would she.
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Speaker 3: Dame? Just a quick one.
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Speaker 2: I had a reason to call the PMO today and
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Speaker 2: I really fell off my chair because I've got this
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Speaker 2: long recorded message. It basically said, buzz off, and if
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Speaker 2: you keep persisting, use the website. If you keep persisting
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Speaker 2: after that, hang on and you might get to talk
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Speaker 2: to a person. But we're not going to give you
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Speaker 2: an answer. We're not going to guarantee you we're going
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Speaker 2: to give you any answers. I've never known ever in
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Speaker 2: my life the Prime Minister's Office to fob you off
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Speaker 2: with a recorded message.
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Speaker 10: They're not willing to answer questions. Peter. This is the problem.
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Speaker 13: And even if you did get to speak to somebody,
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Speaker 13: they probably would have asked you to sign a non
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Speaker 13: disclosure agreement to have that conversation with you in the
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Speaker 13: first place. This is a government that said it was
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Speaker 13: going to be all about transparency. They're not interested in it.
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Speaker 13: We're seeing that with all sorts of groups that have
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Speaker 13: tried to engage with them over the last two years
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Speaker 13: they've been in government, and it's been to no avail.
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Speaker 10: They've had these NDA's p in front of.
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Speaker 13: Them, even with the bills that are so detrimental to
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Speaker 13: us as a country moving forward, like the Nature Positive Plan.
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Speaker 10: So many different industries have tried.
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Speaker 13: To engage with this this government, but the NDAs come
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Speaker 13: out and of course no one's interested in signing an
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Speaker 13: NDA if you're to have open, transparent discussions with them.
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Speaker 13: What is so wrong with this government sitting down with
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Speaker 13: people having a conversation. So you're no different to us, Peter.
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Speaker 13: We're getting the FOB as well, and we're in the Senate,
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Speaker 13: so go figure.
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Speaker 2: And they need to invite they don't need mine, right,
45:33
Speaker 2: Jens'll leave it there.
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Speaker 3: See you both next week or right after break.
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Speaker 2: The extraordinary amount of tax funds that is going to
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Speaker 2: support asylum seeker legal bills.
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Speaker 3: We'll get to that after break. Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well, we learnt this today via a freedom of information request.
45:51
Speaker 2: The Labor spent twelve million dollars of your money to
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Speaker 2: fund free legal advice for refugee claims and what is
45:57
Speaker 2: yet NAMA blunder for the department under An and Giles,
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Speaker 2: the government's been quietly funding the legal aid as part
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Speaker 2: of one hundred and sixty million dollar package ostensibly to
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Speaker 2: address integrity concerns in visa.
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Speaker 3: Protection refugee claims.
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Speaker 2: Join me now to discuss this shadow Immigration Minister Dan teen, Well,
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Speaker 2: when you think that we've got about one hundred and
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Speaker 2: ten thousand asylum seekers here every year, that's a big number.
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Speaker 2: It's clear that Labour's enabling this with the legal support
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Speaker 2: being provided and funded.
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Speaker 6: Well, Peter, it's quite extraordinary in a cost of living
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Speaker 6: crisis that they would give twelve million dollars to lawyers
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Speaker 6: to facilitate asylum seeker claims. I mean, what we need
46:45
Speaker 6: to see knowing that about eighty percent of these claims
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Speaker 6: are non genuine and turned out turn out to be
46:52
Speaker 6: proven to be non genuine. Is for them to putting
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Speaker 6: in place policies that will prevent people from claiming as
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Speaker 6: here they are giving twelve million dollars to facilitate it.
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Speaker 6: It's just another example of how out of touch this
47:09
Speaker 6: Prime minister Anti Albanese is.
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Speaker 2: A number of states are offering free healthcare to anyone
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Speaker 2: on one of these visitor visas coming out of the
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Speaker 2: Gaza war zone. Now anyone else from any other country on.
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Speaker 3: A visitor's visa, they don't get this.
47:26
Speaker 2: They can't get a visa unless they've proved they've got
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Speaker 2: health insurance, privately funded health insurance to come to Australia.
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Speaker 3: Do you think this is right?
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Speaker 6: Well, once again, Peter, it just shows how much of
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Speaker 6: a mess the alban Eesi labor government have made of immigration.
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Speaker 6: The proper process was to put these people onto humanitarian visas,
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Speaker 6: to do the proper checks and balances, to make sure
47:53
Speaker 6: that they went to a third country so that this
47:56
Speaker 6: proper security checks could take place. Because edhusikbelled the cat
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Speaker 6: on it that they wanted to rush, they wanted to
48:05
Speaker 6: put people onto tourist visas, and now we're paying the consequences.
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Speaker 6: They should have put these people onto humanitarian visas, and
48:14
Speaker 6: they should have done it using the proper processes. Yet
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Speaker 6: it seems the panic, especially to look after the current
48:21
Speaker 6: Immigration Tony Burke and the current Education mister Jason Lea,
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Speaker 6: has led to this.
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Speaker 2: Well, Tony Burke's your counterpart. What do you make of
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Speaker 2: that decision he made to a point A bloke too,
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Speaker 2: the National Gallery of Australia's Council, it's governing council. This
48:40
Speaker 2: bloke has been out on social media allegedly he's accused
48:43
Speaker 2: Israela conducting a Holocaust. I mean you use that word
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Speaker 2: very very carefully and cautiously. It's calling for the end
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Speaker 2: of the sickness of Zionism, the end of Zionism.
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Speaker 6: This is extraordinary, It is extraordinary, and Tony Burke should
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Speaker 6: act and have this person removed from the board. And
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Speaker 6: once again, I think what we're likely to hear from
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Speaker 6: Tony Burke is a lot of words but very little action,
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Speaker 6: because his past history is Immigration Minister, is one of
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Speaker 6: abject failure. And what we're seeing already in this new
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Speaker 6: version of Tony Burke is the new Immigration Minister is
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Speaker 6: a lot of Bravado a lot of front pages about
49:26
Speaker 6: how he's going to be tough and actaf but we're
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Speaker 6: not seeing him actually take the action that it's needed.
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Speaker 6: And this appointment needs to be seriously looked at. Tony
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Speaker 6: Burke should review it. And it's very hard to see
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Speaker 6: how this individual should be staying on that board.
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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm just about out of time, but I can
49:48
Speaker 2: see you've got a top on there. I know you're
49:49
Speaker 2: doing a big charity run. Where can my viewers go
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Speaker 2: to support you?
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Speaker 6: They can go to the hashtag run for CJD twenty
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Speaker 6: no known cure for so anyone who can make some
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Speaker 6: sort of little contribution or even just share or like
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Speaker 6: the post from the Instagram Paige would be greatly appreciated.
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Speaker 3: No, no worry, good luck, Dan, Thanks for your time.
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Speaker 2: That's it for me. Have a great weekend. I'll see
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Speaker 2: you back on Monday. Here's Andrew