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Mini: LARP · Why We Do What We Do

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  Speaker 2: of this discussion, but this is a mini so we
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  Speaker 2: need to get into it. We're talking about something called
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  Speaker 2: live action role playing or lurping. Yes, if you have
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  Speaker 2: not heard of this before, these are games kind of
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  Speaker 2: like you might think of like D and D games
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  Speaker 2: in a way where you're sort of playing a character
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  Speaker 2: or sometimes when you're playing other board games, except that
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  Speaker 2: this style of it is escalated into gigantic, immersive in
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  Speaker 2: person settings and contexts. So you're not playing with pieces,
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  Speaker 2: you're not playing with manuals or dice. You are in
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  Speaker 2: uniform on the field doing the thing that the game
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  Speaker 2: represents when it's in scaled down form. And so we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about what LARPing is, a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of its history and why people do it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that if you are, if you're
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  Speaker 4: familiar with the term LARPing, that your first thought may
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  Speaker 4: be that it has to do with like medieval times
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  Speaker 4: and knights and wizards and stuff like that. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to unpack that a little bit too, because that is
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  Speaker 4: part of the joy of an activity of this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, live action role playing or LARPing is also called
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  Speaker 4: interactive literature and free form role playing. It combines the
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  Speaker 4: storytelling and character building in a setting with other people,
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  Speaker 4: and it's designed to simulate the fantasy world described in
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  Speaker 4: the role playing scenarios. So essentially, you get people in
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  Speaker 4: a live setting. They play certain roles, they have certain characters.
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  Speaker 4: They even have names for their characters. Like when I
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  Speaker 4: play D and D and Morpborg and all that, I
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  Speaker 4: have names for my characters, and they're usually very clever.
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  Speaker 4: I would say we played a game called Frontier Scum
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  Speaker 4: that was like a cowboy type of D and D. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: my horse's name was Dennis Hoffman. Very Dustin movement, Sorry,
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  Speaker 4: Dustin movement. Okay, yeah, yeah, and.
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  Speaker 5: Then I also had Robert Mountie Jr.
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  Speaker 3: Nice. That's great. I like it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You could kind of think of like if those murder
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  Speaker 2: mystery parties where you get dealt in identity and like
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  Speaker 2: you know what role you had, and someone there is
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  Speaker 2: the murderer and you're kind of trying to deduce it
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  Speaker 2: by having conversations and talking through it. Like that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like LARPing and again sort of slim down version,
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  Speaker 2: and matter of fact, you probably would even just call
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  Speaker 2: it LARPing live action role playing. And in the way
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  Speaker 2: you'll often see this, people are often dressed in costumes.
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  Speaker 2: They will be in character, which means they're probably going
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  Speaker 2: to adopt some kind of dialect or accent that is
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  Speaker 2: unique to the setting that is supposed to be taking place,
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  Speaker 2: and they're going to depending on the scenario, they might
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  Speaker 2: be acting on a sort of scripted presentation or where
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  Speaker 2: you might have like sort of talking points, but a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it is sometimes un scripted, improvisational like dialogue
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  Speaker 2: type interactions where people are just sort of reacting to
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  Speaker 2: each other in the moment.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Now, Larbin can be game like or it can be
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  Speaker 4: oriented towards artistic self expression. I think some people think
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  Speaker 4: that there's like a purpose or a goal in terms
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  Speaker 4: of like some type of competition or gaming, but doesn't
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  Speaker 4: necessarily have to be like that. It can be just
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  Speaker 4: like we're gonna have fun and we're gonna do this
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  Speaker 4: and this is gonna be the experience. Yeah, And likewise,
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  Speaker 4: it can vary from historically grounded and based in reality,
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  Speaker 4: depicting real, plausible situations and go so far as to
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  Speaker 4: have events to like fantasy that's grounded with dragons and
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  Speaker 4: magic and a little bit more ethereal Right, So like
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  Speaker 4: Civil War reenactments would be an example of one that
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  Speaker 4: you might see on one end, which is like more
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  Speaker 4: real world than grounded, whereas like, you know, something that
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  Speaker 4: it does involve a wizard might be and like slaying
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  Speaker 4: a dragon or going on some mystical quest might be
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  Speaker 4: more like that that dragon magic realm.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially, what we're describing here is you have a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of people who come together they want to act out
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  Speaker 2: some scenario, and that scenario could be something that's hyper realistic.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of people who do reenactments or things
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  Speaker 2: of that, they are very focused on the authenticity of
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  Speaker 2: the details of it, which is like, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: can be a fun part of it, Like that's a
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  Speaker 2: thing that they enjoy is the getting as close to
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  Speaker 2: authentically representative as possible. And in those situations, let's say
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  Speaker 2: we'll go with one of those authentic ones, they dress
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  Speaker 2: the part. They will probably have specific marks they.
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  Speaker 3: Need to hit.
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  Speaker 2: They are going to have potential talking points. They have
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  Speaker 2: roles and they're going to act in those roles, and
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  Speaker 2: they're going to play out a scenario, trying to have
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  Speaker 2: it reflect what that scenario might have been word actually
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  Speaker 2: taking place. It's kind of living in like a fantasy
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  Speaker 2: representation of a real thing, and then the fantasy ones.
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  Speaker 2: There's just fewer rules about authenticity because there's nothing to
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  Speaker 2: be authentic to other than they want people to stay
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  Speaker 2: in character. So if you're an orc, you talk like
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  Speaker 2: an orc. If you're a wizard, you wear your robe
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  Speaker 2: and you cast bells. If you're you know, whatever your
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  Speaker 2: role is, you do you stay in character in that role,
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  Speaker 2: but you also are just interacting with the scenario that
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  Speaker 2: you're in. And so you might have like, yeah, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people and we'll describe that more as we
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  Speaker 2: go on that are all in this this area where
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  Speaker 2: they're in costume, they're acting, they're acting together, and they're
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  Speaker 2: sort of playing out this scene.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're like acting within the role like in
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  Speaker 4: the world, Like there's rules of the world, so they
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  Speaker 4: have to engage with the rules of the world, Like
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  Speaker 4: you can't have a civil war and actor go like,
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  Speaker 4: now I can fly or you know, you can't touch
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  Speaker 4: me because I've got lava boots like you. That's not
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  Speaker 4: how that works, right, But like in a like I've
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  Speaker 4: like I've done LARPing where I've been a wizard and like,
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  Speaker 4: oh and it's been really fun. Yeah, yeah, it's it's
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  Speaker 4: really well, I look like a wizard, so like I'll
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  Speaker 4: show up and I'll be like and.
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  Speaker 5: I cast add.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're back. We've been continuing to describe just
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  Speaker 2: what LARPing is. As I said, it can be kind
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  Speaker 2: of small. You can have only a few people and
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  Speaker 2: it lasts only a few hours. But these can get
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  Speaker 2: really big. There are some like LARPing campaigns that people
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  Speaker 2: know really well, they really enjoy and they can go
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  Speaker 2: up to thousands of players and last for days at
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  Speaker 2: a time, and people might cycle in and out like
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  Speaker 2: because they're available to do so. But yeah, but they'll
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  Speaker 2: like have like fests essentially that are LARPing fests that
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  Speaker 2: people show up and they'll be playing for like an
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  Speaker 2: entire weekend where they're going through these large scenarios and
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  Speaker 2: they've had like two thousand people there who are engaged
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  Speaker 2: in the larp scenario.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, Now LARPing began in the nineteen seventies
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  Speaker 4: and grew in popularity and internationally into the eighties. And
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  Speaker 4: it's not really a spectator event. I think some people
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  Speaker 4: might see it as like, oh, I want to go
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  Speaker 4: watch and do this. It's not really like that. Like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there are some times where like maybe they
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  Speaker 4: have elected, like a group has elected to put on
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  Speaker 4: a show where people can attend, But for the most part,
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  Speaker 4: that's not what the goal is. The goal is to
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  Speaker 4: have players, yeah, for most of them. Like, the goal
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  Speaker 4: is that the players are not performing for an audience.
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  Speaker 4: They're performing as part of the game. Yeah, it's for
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  Speaker 4: the experience for the play players themselves and a chance
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  Speaker 4: to engage with highly immersive pretend play rather than having
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  Speaker 4: it be a spectacle for somebody else who's non participatory.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as you might imagine, wrangling a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: to try and like have a scenario work can be
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  Speaker 2: challenging if you've got different personalities and people who who
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  Speaker 2: want different things out of that experience. So they'll have
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  Speaker 2: some ground rules a lot of the time, and then
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  Speaker 2: they'll usually I don't know how often this is the case,
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  Speaker 2: but it seems like it's fairly common to employ a
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  Speaker 2: game master, who is a person who's kind of outside
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  Speaker 2: of the larp but helps just maintain the flow of
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  Speaker 2: the scenario and they lead the campaign. They will kind
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  Speaker 2: of go around making sure people are staying in the
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  Speaker 2: scene and that things are moving the way that it
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  Speaker 2: needs to move and not getting hung up and little
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  Speaker 2: side tangents that can happen. And there are also often
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  Speaker 2: several helpers who again are not part of the game,
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  Speaker 2: but they kind of are there to help support the
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  Speaker 2: players in the game. They're usually mostly ignored. They might
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  Speaker 2: help like deliver food and snacks. They might help like
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  Speaker 2: if anybody's injured, they might like pull them off, take
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  Speaker 2: care of them, make sure that any props that are
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  Speaker 2: damaged get repaired. They're just kind of there to facilitate
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  Speaker 2: the experience.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they might be there to like something that
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  Speaker 4: they'll do too, is like they'll facilitate conflicts. So like
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  Speaker 4: if there's like a conflict in the rule, they'll be
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  Speaker 4: like the ultimate person that goes like, okay, this is
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  Speaker 4: what we saw. This is the rule of the game,
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  Speaker 4: so this is this ruling stands, or like they're going
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  Speaker 4: to help facilitate the some of the rules of the
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  Speaker 4: game and that have been established as part of that
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  Speaker 4: as well.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, they're kind of arbiters.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so like the game master and like the helpers
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  Speaker 4: are going to have a lot of responsibility and making
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  Speaker 4: sure the game goes smoothly.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and to make it fun.
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  Speaker 4: Like I've been in D and D campaigns where we've
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  Speaker 4: had some folks that are not fun, sure, and I
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  Speaker 4: got to tell you, they never came back because we
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  Speaker 4: were like, we can't, we can't do this, this is
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  Speaker 4: not this is the least fun situation makes sense, And
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  Speaker 4: there are a lot of genres and a lot of
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  Speaker 4: styles that include things like Victorian era cowboys of the
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  Speaker 4: Old West or completely fictional settings and time periods that
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  Speaker 4: are entirely fabricated out of a whole cloth. Many focus
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  Speaker 4: on simulated battles, although this is not required because I
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  Speaker 4: think that I think maybe like the perception as that
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  Speaker 4: people show up in a field with like cardboard swords
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  Speaker 4: and they start slacking, hacking and slashing each other. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and that's not it at all, right, Like that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: have to be it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's yeah, it does happen a lot, but it is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you can have a lot bing of it that has
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  Speaker 2: none of that exactly exactly, and that is common.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're now even membership groups that exist where
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  Speaker 4: supporters and hobbyists can join together in celebration and support
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  Speaker 4: their hobby.
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  Speaker 5: It's like just a really fun group to be a
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  Speaker 5: part of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And as we said, there are fests there.
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  Speaker 2: I think there are like conventions. There's there is quite
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  Speaker 2: a culture and like that has sprung up around this
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  Speaker 2: that have really formed a hobby that some people really
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  Speaker 2: enjoy doing. And then you might be asking, well, why
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  Speaker 2: did they do that thing? And well, that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: one of the reasons we're here to talk about this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: One of the reasons here is that this is kind
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  Speaker 2: of a large scale version of pretend play. We like
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  Speaker 2: to we like to imagine that as we become adults,
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  Speaker 2: we stop playing, and some people do, I guess, But
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  Speaker 2: like play is not really play is something that's very human.
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  Speaker 2: It's something humans like to do a lot, even like
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  Speaker 2: people who don't play very much but they love to
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  Speaker 2: watch sports like they're engaging in kind of a version
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  Speaker 2: of that. Fantasy football is play. Even like telling jokes
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  Speaker 2: and playing pranks like that's play. I would even argue
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  Speaker 2: that like watching something entertaining is kind of a form
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  Speaker 2: of play, right, Like we really enjoy that, and this
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  Speaker 2: is just a way that other people like to enjoy that,
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  Speaker 2: and they do it their version, which is immersing themselves
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  Speaker 2: in that experience rather than being a sort of more
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  Speaker 2: of an observer role. They want to be in the
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  Speaker 2: role and that's just the thing that they enjoy more
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  Speaker 2: than watching, which some people enjoy more than participating.
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  Speaker 3: And that's okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, some people report escapism. They'll report fun, community, creativity, storytelling.
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  Speaker 4: There's lots of like unique aspects as part of this,
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  Speaker 4: and I think it's I think that's really valuable to
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  Speaker 4: point out that, like people have different reasons for doing this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's not just because they are interested in dragons or
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  Speaker 4: that they're interested in cowboys. It's because there's like something
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  Speaker 4: about the escapism of it, the fun of it. It's
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  Speaker 4: not work, it's not it's just you can just be
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  Speaker 4: there and enjoy it and have a good time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like just what if I were a wizard and
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  Speaker 2: then you're like, I'm gonna throw on a robe and
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  Speaker 2: a hat and a wand and pretend and that can
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  Speaker 2: be fun, But when you then get to like go
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  Speaker 2: out and cast a spell and someone turns into a
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  Speaker 2: thing that you like, turn into a tree because you
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  Speaker 2: turn them into a tree, and you're like, now it's
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  Speaker 2: even more fun because I get to have like a
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  Speaker 2: more interactive world where the things I'm doing means something
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  Speaker 2: with other people. Yeah, so that's a really important piece.
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  Speaker 2: There's this whole like escapism part, this creativity part. Like
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  Speaker 2: there are people who like they write for movies and
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  Speaker 2: plays and TV shows and they love to write, and
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  Speaker 2: so they also will go to these because they love
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  Speaker 2: to write these campaigns and they enjoy storytelling, like that's
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  Speaker 2: just a thing that they like to do, and so
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  Speaker 2: they participate in that way. Many people report having they
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  Speaker 2: love the opportunity in LARPing to hash out real life
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  Speaker 2: scenarios in kind of a safe space. They can pretend
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  Speaker 2: to be something they're not or someone they're not. They
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  Speaker 2: get to then experience like this rough thing and then
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  Speaker 2: work through it in a low stick environment where it's
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  Speaker 2: like I'm going to play characters having this problem and
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  Speaker 2: then I'm going to try and solve that problem when
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  Speaker 2: it's like maybe even represents a problem I really do have.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like it's safe over here because it's my character,
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  Speaker 2: it's not actually me.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right, And the community of support is very important
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  Speaker 4: for folks like this is a shared community with with
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  Speaker 4: shared interests. Some folks don't get that all the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: And I think there's something really valuable about finding a
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  Speaker 4: space where everybody has a shared interest similar enough that
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  Speaker 4: you can actually have those conversations and like be able
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  Speaker 4: to embark on those journeys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean behavior analysis is one of those examples. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we both come from that space where there's an insular
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  Speaker 4: community that is a group of people that you can
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  Speaker 4: talk about with a special interest and with the science
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  Speaker 4: that we do and all that stuff like this is
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  Speaker 4: no different. LARPing is no different than the behavior analysis community,
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  Speaker 4: and that you just have a different language, different set
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  Speaker 4: of rules, different guidance, and different interest where it's a
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  Speaker 4: group of people that can enjoy that together. So I
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  Speaker 4: think that there's something really valuable about that, and I
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  Speaker 4: think that I wish more people went LARPing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is exactly it's their version of fun. It
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  Speaker 2: is their shared interest and that is how they connect
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  Speaker 2: with other people. And that's just that's a very important
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  Speaker 2: thing that sometimes is taken for granted in the human
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  Speaker 2: experience is how important it is to connect with other
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  Speaker 2: people and that's how they do it. So like, it
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  Speaker 2: might look a little strange to you, but like, you
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  Speaker 2: do fun things that other people are interested in, and
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  Speaker 2: it's not because you're weird, it's just the thing that
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  Speaker 2: you find fun. So yeah, or maybe you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: this and thinking like, yes, I'm a LARPer finally I
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  Speaker 2: feel seen or I don't know whatever you're feeling like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, but anyway, I definitely support of it.
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  Speaker 2: I've never done it, but it looks super fun. I
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  Speaker 2: love that people have this as their way of doing it,
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I think there's more to say about this.
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  Speaker 2: We barely scratch the surface, but of course it's a
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  Speaker 2: mini so I think we'll have to cap it off there.
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  Speaker 3: Unless is anything you'd like to add.
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  Speaker 5: Nope, go LARPing very good.
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