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📚Bravo Book Club: Lisa Rinna’s 👄“You Better Believe I’m Gonna Talk About It” · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling.
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  Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Hello, Hello, welcome back in. It is a
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  Speaker 2: very special Bravo book Club today. Emily is here and
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  Speaker 2: she's going to be recapping Lisa Renna's book. You better
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  Speaker 2: believe I'm going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you better believe. That's the title of the book.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a lot to dig into. Very happy to
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  Speaker 2: do this. Why don't we welcome ourselves into this pretty
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  Speaker 2: epic rendition of our Bravo book Club Rent Edition, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: Rent Edition. There's so many of those fun puns that
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  Speaker 2: she has, like Renaissance and all this stuff. She couldn't
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  Speaker 2: even land on the names of each chapter because she
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: had so many options. So they're like two names for
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: each chapter, you know what I mean. She was like,
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  Speaker 2: own it, or it's time for me to say exactly
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  Speaker 2: how I feel like. Every chapter was two different things.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, you gotta landon on one. But that's fine,
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  Speaker 2: that's fine. I can just imagine her talking like with
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  Speaker 2: her editor and she's like, you know what, I like
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  Speaker 2: both of them, and that is like, well, let's just
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  Speaker 2: do both. Let's do both, Let's do both.
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  Speaker 1: I can't choose.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I would like to first talk about where
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  Speaker 2: we rate this book in comparison to other Housewives books
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  Speaker 2: in terms of memoirs, So on a scale of one
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  Speaker 2: to ten, where this lands with us and I personally
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  Speaker 2: will give this a nine. I'm going to give it
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  Speaker 2: a nine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you counting what remains by Carol Radziwell.
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  Speaker 2: No, I've never read that. I've never read that, so
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  Speaker 2: I can't unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: Prior to Housewives.
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  Speaker 2: Oh right, okay, so no we cannot count that. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: where do you land? I've read so many?
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  Speaker 1: Can I think about it?
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  Speaker 2: Because yeah, you can tell us at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Question, tell me at the end.
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  Speaker 2: The reason why I feel that it's a nine, a
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  Speaker 2: solid nine. And Margaret Joseph's would probably be like my second.
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  Speaker 1: Favorite so far, Heather Gaze.
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  Speaker 2: Heather Gaze is good too, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I
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  Speaker 2: like Lisa's better only because I personally can relate with
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  Speaker 2: it and the things that I felt like we're missing
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  Speaker 2: out of her book, which I would like to discuss now,
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: are the specifics of going just to step further into
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  Speaker 2: really showing us who she is. I do feel like
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  Speaker 2: she gave us a lot. However, it is absolutely on
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  Speaker 2: par with who Lisa has been on The Real Housewives,
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  Speaker 2: which is she's going to show it to a certain
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  Speaker 2: point and then she's going to stop there because she
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  Speaker 2: has her boundaries, and she has she needs to protect
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  Speaker 2: her family, and she's not going to give us one
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  Speaker 2: hundred percent of herself. And in one aspect, I completely
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  Speaker 2: one hundred percent respect that, and that's why I like
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  Speaker 2: her so much as a housewife, or rather as a person.
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  Speaker 2: But for two examples. For example one, and this goes
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  Speaker 2: into Harry territory, he became sober at some point. We
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  Speaker 2: have no idea at all any of what she went
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  Speaker 2: through with him in terms of him having any kind
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: of addiction issue, and how that affected her life, how
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: that affected how she acted towards others in her life
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  Speaker 2: and especially those on the show. We know that her
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  Speaker 2: sister had an issue. She did delve into that a smidge,
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  Speaker 2: but not a lot. I almost feel like she talked
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  Speaker 2: about it more on show than she did in the book.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, m hmm. I think she talked about the sister
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  Speaker 1: more about how the death affected her and the dad
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  Speaker 1: and her father and how that was interesting.
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  Speaker 2: To death, but not the addiction, right.
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  Speaker 1: Not the addiction.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so then the other thing is, for example,
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  Speaker 2: and this is a very very surface level thing, but
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  Speaker 2: like her lips, she talked about, you know, at this
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  Speaker 2: at some point she was everyone was doing you know,
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  Speaker 2: injections and fillers and all this stuff, and she did fillers,
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  Speaker 2: and she did that in between the audition for the
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  Speaker 2: Days of Our Lives. She got a callback for Days
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  Speaker 2: of Our Lives and in between the I'm sorry the
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  Speaker 2: haircut happened in between the Days of our Lives audition
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  Speaker 2: and the callback, and then she ended up getting the
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  Speaker 2: job because she wasn't afraid anymore. She's like, I'm cutting
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  Speaker 2: my hair. But the fillers at whatever point that she
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  Speaker 2: did those, she didn't say like, I knew that the
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  Speaker 2: second I looked in the mirror, this is a whole
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  Speaker 2: new and I'm gonna like, I'm going to own this
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  Speaker 2: and this is going to make me more of a
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  Speaker 2: selling point, and I knew that. It Just so much
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  Speaker 2: of who she is has a lot to do with
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  Speaker 2: her lips, and she was really on the forefront of
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  Speaker 2: getting injections into her lips and being out there with
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  Speaker 2: like where there weren't a ton of people doing it
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  Speaker 2: at that time. And that really made her stand out,
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  Speaker 2: probably had a lot to do as to why she
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  Speaker 2: got that role as Billy on Days. I almost feel
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  Speaker 2: like the way that she looks with the lips makes
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  Speaker 2: her more of a villain esque looking character, including the
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  Speaker 2: shag haircut, and I think that informs her casting. And
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  Speaker 2: I almost felt like she didn't do her fillers enough
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  Speaker 2: service in this book to tell like, really, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I thought she talked a lot about her fillers well,
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  Speaker 1: and just in terms of giving them, like basically being
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  Speaker 1: like I'm lips first and it's all injections kind of Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I did think it was kind of vulnerable of her
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  Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, I'm nothing without these lips, and
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  Speaker 1: by the way, they're fake, I guess is like in
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  Speaker 1: terms of her look and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't say anything about like her personal feelings
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  Speaker 2: when she got them in there is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: You know, how you have that pinnacle point where you
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  Speaker 2: get a job or you have a life changing moment
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  Speaker 2: where you're like, Wow, I didn't expect this to happen,
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  Speaker 2: but this changed my life. I do feel like she
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  Speaker 2: pinpointed that at many times in the book where she's like,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know this would change my life so much.
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  Speaker 2: But when it came to the lips, I felt like
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  Speaker 2: it probably had a lot to do with why she
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  Speaker 2: booked that job and why she didn't get soap operas
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  Speaker 2: before that. She said she was she had been auditioning
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  Speaker 2: for like eight or eight to ten soap operas, didn't
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  Speaker 2: get any she was pretty much done with like auditioning,
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  Speaker 2: and she probably had those fillers at that point too.
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  Speaker 2: But then coupled with the haircut, I just would have
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  Speaker 2: liked a little more acknowledgment there. And that's what I
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  Speaker 2: mean about diving a little bit deeper. I think the
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  Speaker 2: hairy thing is obviously always going to be off limits.
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  Speaker 2: That's his story to tell. I completely respect that.
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  Speaker 1: And she said that too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah she said it. Yeah, she said it, honey, Oh
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  Speaker 2: she said it. Now there are other things where I
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  Speaker 2: feel like she did. She took us to a certain
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  Speaker 2: point and then she was like, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: go any further. And honestly, I get it. I totally
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  Speaker 2: get it, and I appreciate it. And that's why at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the book it makes so much sense
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  Speaker 2: who who she feels that she is in the eyes
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  Speaker 2: of like of herself but mostly how her in regards
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  Speaker 2: to her being on the Real Housewives. So I just
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: want to talk about the last chapter first, just to
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: kind of like punt this off, which the last chapter
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  Speaker 2: is own it iconic line. It's a line that every
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  Speaker 2: housewife has in their vernacular today and it's really set
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  Speaker 2: forth because of Lisa Renna. Did she make up that phrase, No,
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: but she brought it to the table and it is
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  Speaker 2: just something that everybody says. So I feel like she
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  Speaker 2: was just such a She really paved a housewife way
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  Speaker 2: with just that one phrase. The last chapter was fantastic
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  Speaker 2: as far as her being so completely honest and doesn't
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  Speaker 2: give two shits and just says it like it is,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, Now this is for the housewife stuff,
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  Speaker 2: all right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't have any regrets except for the Munchausen thing.
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  Speaker 2: Except for Yolanda. She fell into Lisa vander Palm's lap
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  Speaker 2: with that. She knows that was wrong, that's not she
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  Speaker 2: just did it because she felt like she needed to,
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  Speaker 2: and that is her one regret. She feels that she
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  Speaker 2: has apologized to everyone that deserves an apology for her
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  Speaker 2: from her, I should say, and the ones that don't
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  Speaker 2: get an apology, she does not think of them, she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't feel they deserve it, and doesn't regret how she
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  Speaker 2: acted towards them. And in that category we have Denise,
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  Speaker 2: Kim Sutton, and Garcel.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and she did apologize to she said to her,
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  Speaker 1: and Denise had a nice apologizing moment and then Denise
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  Speaker 1: ripped the rug out. Yeah, And I was wondering if
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  Speaker 1: after Patrick Muldoon died, if they connected again over.
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  Speaker 2: That, Yeah, because we don't have that timeline now, which
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that Lisa and Patrick muldoon worked together
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: and had a little bit of a fling. Huh. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's wild. So they have a lot in common, a lot,
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: And I just think, like I do think that they
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  Speaker 1: probably could come together and have a friendship. But I
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  Speaker 1: just want I gotta say that I was a little
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  Speaker 1: disappointed because of the lack of accountability in some of
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  Speaker 1: these feuds that she's holding on too, like really with Garcel, Like.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, the Garcel. That was a jaw dropper when she
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  Speaker 2: said Garcel is a disappointment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and doesn't deserve an apology or doesn't deserve my
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  Speaker 1: time or my thought, like she put Garcel and Sutton. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: in this category that I was like, well, maybe do
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  Speaker 1: you really mean that? And especially I know everybody that
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: was the viral thing with this book about what she
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  Speaker 1: said about Sutton's body.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like, yeah, that was bad happened. That
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  Speaker 2: was weird. I mean actually weird because that's what she
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  Speaker 2: said about her body, is that it's weird. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 2: As far as the body shaming, yeah, I would put
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: that in the category of body shaming not necessary. I'm
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: surprised that they left it in there. I can't believe
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: an editor wasn't like, yeah, too far right, but she
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: was on one and was like, let's do this. You
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: have to try. And people just are going to have
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: to pick sides as to who they trust and who
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: they believe. There's obviously, just like Beverly Hills, so much
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  Speaker 2: more that we don't see. So clearly there was a
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  Speaker 2: lot going on between Rinna and Sutton and Rinna and Garcel.
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  Speaker 2: We do not know how deep that went, and no
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: one's really ever going to talk, and that's the other thing,
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  Speaker 2: and they really can't to some degree. So who did what?
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: How far did it go? And those are just the
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: question marks we're going to have to leave behind.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to your point, I do think that was a
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  Speaker 1: perfect right there with especially Garcel. I do think that
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  Speaker 1: Lisa should have given us more explanation as to why
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: if it's because of what she accused her of with
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  Speaker 1: Instagram and having bought accounts go after her son like
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  Speaker 1: this was a perfect opportunity for Rinna to speak to
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  Speaker 1: whatever Renna's truth is, and that it's Renna's book, like
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  Speaker 1: say it own it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought, like, you're really leaving us hanging on this.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing you left us hanging. And so now
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  Speaker 2: it's just a matter of who do you believe that
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  Speaker 2: is less wrong in this situation or more wrong? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: well for.
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  Speaker 1: What, we don't even know the situation, Like that's to me,
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  Speaker 1: like they it's too.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So to me, I'm like, Lisa, you seem to maybe
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  Speaker 1: not be taking accountability.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that there's reasons for this. But I
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  Speaker 2: think there's reasons for that. I think that she's not
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: going to say something that is way too deep and
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: way too intense. And then in some ways they're all
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: probably not saying so much to protect each other on
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  Speaker 2: some level because that is so so.
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  Speaker 1: The Beverly Hills Housewives.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and I really do believe that. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, whatever it is, and it would really be
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  Speaker 2: nice if at some point they could come to a resolution.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to necessarily happen, but what
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  Speaker 2: I did appreciate in this last chapter. Oh, and going
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  Speaker 2: back to what you said about Denise, I did categorize
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  Speaker 2: her under that she doesn't deserve an apology, but she
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  Speaker 2: is one of the ones that she did apologize to.
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  Speaker 2: She did apologize to Denise. She apologized to Yolanda. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Yolanda and Denise and they seem to be okay. And
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  Speaker 2: then they were okay for like a year, and then
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  Speaker 2: something happened and Denise like backtracked on it or something
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But and to be fair, Lisa was like in her book,
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: she was like, I did what I did, but also
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: Denise was fucking with me too on that show. And
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: I could see that. We could all see that. I
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: mean I felt like I could see it at the time.
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  Speaker 2: She was Denise was running her game and Renna was
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  Speaker 2: running hers What made the most sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just realizing the only person that they have
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  Speaker 1: no problems pulling the curtain back on and saying, they're
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  Speaker 1: shit is Denise, Like, they'll pull out Denise bullshit out
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  Speaker 1: of every closet in terms of a Beverly Hills housewife.
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  Speaker 2: But they oh, oh that's really funny. Yeah, sorry, go ahead, No, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's I think she did speak to that about the
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: Brandy and Denise thing because nothing was going on that season, remember, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and someone leaked to the producers that Brandy and Denise
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: had a thing. And we don't know who that someone was.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: We could guess maybe it was Brandy, we could guess whomever.
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  Speaker 2: But what ended up happening, which you guys probably i'll
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  Speaker 2: already know this, but that the producers were like, you
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  Speaker 2: need to bring this up Lisa and Kyle or whomever.
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  Speaker 2: And Renna was like, I'm not doing it, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: not after the Munchaus and things. So she refused to
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: So that says a lot, but not only because she
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: was friends with de niece, but because she didn't want
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: to be put in that position again because she was
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: the villain already. So Kyle and Teddy did it, and
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: so Renna. The food wasn't on Renna's hands at that point,
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: but in chapter ten, own it. It's everything that I
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: thought Lisa is and was, and I knew who I
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: felt like. I knew who she was on the show
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: and why she was doing the things that she did,
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: and she just basically explained it perfectly as to why
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  Speaker 2: she did it. Her and Harry are two actors trying
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  Speaker 2: to make ends meet, and she essentially sold her soul
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  Speaker 2: to the devil for eight years and did what she
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: needed to do to get a paycheck, which means I
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  Speaker 2: love her exactly to the letter. She is aware and
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  Speaker 2: says that she sold herself to the devil and that
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  Speaker 2: she never wanted to hurt anybody, but look, she's got
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  Speaker 2: to she's got to eat, her kids have to eat.
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  Speaker 2: And she says that here's the other thing where she
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: left us hanging. Okay, it took a lot, this is
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I quote Lisa. It took a lot of time and
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  Speaker 2: soul searching to under stand why I put myself in
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  Speaker 2: a position to hurt people in my career. So then
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: what's the answer. I mean, if the answer is this,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's as simple as saying that you needed
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  Speaker 2: the job. But what's the more complex answer, why were
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: you willing to do that. Why wouldn't you just downsize
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: and try to do something else instead of doing that?
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: She too, she probably had therapy. She did a lot
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: of soul searching. So what is the answer. We didn't
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: quite get that, and that's what I would like to know.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: She takes not done yet, because you don't take you
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  Speaker 1: don't take Sutton out like that when you've when you're
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: past that hurdle of wanting to hurt people, like what
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: she said about Sutton went to your point, went through
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  Speaker 1: multiple drafts and stayed in because Rinna wanted to hurt someton.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's not getting paid to hurt her anymore.
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  Speaker 2: This is her. That's the difference when I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: what I think she's saying is or like, this is
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  Speaker 2: what I'm taking away for it from it. She joined
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the show, she played the game the way that the
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: game needed to be played when she was getting paid
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: for that game. On the outskirts of it, you know,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: blood has been spilled, and this is on her own time,
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  Speaker 2: so she can say whatever she wants. No, yeah, okay, fine,
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  Speaker 2: but it's still her opinion. It's still her opinion. She
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  Speaker 2: feels that way when she says to Denise, Oof, you're
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: so angry. She was dissociating in that moment against a
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: friend who she's been with for years in order to
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: be present in a scene to make great television, and
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: hoping that Denise would take that bone and know, can
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you yes and me here we need to this is
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the world that we're living in. Whereas now whatever went
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: down between Sutton and Rinna and Garcel and Rinna, there's
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: such bad blood there that she's like, no, fuck you.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: In my real life, fuck you, and I'm not afraid
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  Speaker 2: to say it. So I see those things as totally different.
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  Speaker 2: Does she want to sell books? Of course all she
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have written a book. But at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, I do feel like this is about as
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  Speaker 2: honest as she's going to get, and because she's not
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: on the Housewives.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: But I yeah, I also you know, she does say
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: like she eludes to remember like maybe two years ago
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: we read that she they had mortgaged their house again
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: and get out more and so I'm thinking that's about
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the time this book deal came through, because they had
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a huge tax bill, right, and that was like the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: huge surprise we were talking about that we Remember we
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: were like her and Harry they are scrappers, they are survivors.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: They are going to get through this. Who knows what happened,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: And they got to remortgage their house. Like respect to
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: them because they just do what they gotta do. And
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I do think Rinna took a look around. It was like,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: how am I going to sell this book? Well, you
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm never going to get over sut and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: fuck you. Then she was like, you better believe I'm
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: going to talk about it.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah she has to. Yeah, I see what you mean.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: She does have to lean into that brand in order
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: to sell the book. Yeah, I see what you're saying.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: After Andy Cohen, that was a liability. I was like, oh, like,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I was surprised how hard she went after Andy when
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: it's like, but isn't this hern.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: But on the flip side, isn't it just her truth?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is her story, this is her experience,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: so she can walk away and say fuck you, fuck you.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing is like I do appreciate at
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: least she's being honest about her experience.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, yeah, a liability.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's pissed because as we saw or as
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: we read or listened to in this book, they really
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: did her wrong in her last season. They really screwed her,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: according to her, and that's why she has no problem
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: blowing up that bridge, because the bridge has already been
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: blown up. So I think it is a little bit
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: of like, screw you. And also it's my time to
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: tell me my story and make money now on that point,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: because I want to circle back to what you were
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: saying about the money. Okay, this is my major takeaway
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: from this book. Fuck you Harry Hamlin, who is doing
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: the sacrificing here, Lisa fucking Rinna.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about? Because he was rejecting parts absolute
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: fuck lutely that and his restrictions for her.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: For the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Don't drink on camera.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I get it, because you're gonna get messy. However, don't
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: tell me what to do when I'm doing a job
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: that's gonna save our ass. Thank you. Is he the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: great Harry Hamlin? Absolutely? But look where they are now.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: They had they almost had to sell their house, you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: in the Hollywood Hills all those years ago, and they
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: decided to open up Bell Gray that store. What a
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: fascinating story. Lisa is the fucking scrappy ass one. She
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: is the scrappy hustler, and he is not. He is picking,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: he is choosing, and I don't like the dynamic after
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: all of this.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the picking and choosing. I went back and listened
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: to that part because I had the same thought that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you did. I think the picking and choosing was back
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: in the day.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Back in the day you could do that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how much he's picking and choosing now,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm no.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Not now, come now, not now, baby, not now. But
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you know when she was like, Harry and I have
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: had our fights. You know, sometimes we've gone to bed
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: not angry and we don't even talk, and She's like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: we try not to do that. And I'm like, yeah,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: because you said to him, well, if you hadn't passed
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: up on one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: ten jobs, then we wouldn't be in this position, mister Hamlin.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: And you know what, he is definitely a product of
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: his own environment. Back in the day, it was. That's
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: how it was. Just like you said, could pick and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: choose because they were so in demand and there was
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: so few, and you knew that there was another part
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: coming your way that was so big and stuff like that. However,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: you think, just like when you make a lot of money,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: at one point, you think it's going to last, right,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: You think it's just going to keep on coming in
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: that's just human nature. You think it's going to come,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: but it could stop, and you're not aware of that.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Whereas I think that that was his ego. He's got
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: a very very big ego and he allowed that to
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: drive his career and then when it came to there
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: are no parts coming knocking on his door anymore, even
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: though he made some great and interesting choices that I
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: think were really groundbreaking when you did that movie about
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: gay love, and that took a hit on his career
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: because people were apparently not wanting to touch him after
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: that movie. But it was he was ahead of his time.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: He was before it was before that type of messaging
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and support of gay rights and gay love was even
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: on the table, and he did that. And I think
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: that it's nice of her to give him that credit
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: for that, and I love it too. But and then
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the La Law thing, going from being a film star
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: to TV, no one was really doing that, so we
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: kind of made that leap, which is great, but at
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, I.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Do because they needed the money. Wait, but that was
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: before they were together, right, the la law thing, I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: would think anyway, it might have her a little bit,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: it might have overlapped a little bit. But he did
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: that depends commercial. Don't forget.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that he did the depends too. Yeah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and that she made She has talked about it before,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: how much money she made. She made more money on
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: that than she did on anything. And they gave two
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars to a charity of her choice.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that was pretty cool. And the QVC stuff
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: making that deal and explaining how it all fell through.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And again, what's Harry doing out growing tomatoes?
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing. And when did he get sober,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: because it didn't seem like he got sober until way later,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: like while she was on Housewives.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like a more recent thing. I don't know,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it was just kind of vague, but.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, listen, I mean I understand protecting. I wouldn't
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: say anything in my book about if I was still
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: together with my husband. Even if I was, I would
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: never throw them under the bus like that, and I
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: don't expect her to so I don't certainly don't expect
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: her to speak on that, but it is very clear
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: that she is incredibly protective of her family and I
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: respect that anyway. The Belgray store was so interesting to
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: me because it was another representation of how Lisa Rinna
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: was truly like housewife, acting like a housewife before even
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: being on a Housewife. She is very much a trailblazer
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: in that, like having the separate businesses and having a
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: platform using that, going on QBC, doing like the workout
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: videos and all of the things that she was diversifying
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: in ways that not many actresses were like. She mentioned
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Suzanne Summers and she was like, that's it. I want
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to do that. You know. She under she's like a
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: business woman through and through. And for them to go
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: and open up this store when they almost lost their house,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: they needed to make money, so they were like, let's
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: do this store. And what an amazing how successful it was.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was around for was it eleven
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: years or was it seven years? I can't remember her.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I think it was like six years, six or siven years. Yeah, Yeah,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I was like I need to go back and watch
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: that Oprah's Favorite Things, because.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was on Oprah's Favorite Things.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: But that was bullshit. I mean, not like the Oprah's
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Favorite Things, because I was like, wait a second, they
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: had to come up with a candle because really what
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: it was it was that Oprah liked to go to
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the store, and so within their first year of being open,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: they were showcased on the Oprah's Favorite Thing and that
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: thing was a candle. On the Christmas episode that they
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: were like, Oh, I guess we'll make this candle for
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: this weird So I was like, so, Oprah, what you
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: didn't even know about this? This candle came about so
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: that I was just like, wait, what is happening right now?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, Like why wasn't it a
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: pair of Maybe it had to be an original product
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: from their store. Maybe that's what it is. So just
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: to include the listeners in on this. Basically what ended
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: up happening was they were three months in of opening
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the store. This is I think Venture a Boulevard, right,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: That's where they somewhere on Venture or Boulevard I'm guessing. Okay,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: So they took this space, they renovated it, Harry did
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: it himself. And then when they opened, she wanted to
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: be like a one stop shot for like you go
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: there and you get you know, your party outfit for
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: that night and jewelry and maybe like some accessories and
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: a gift for somebody whatever. And it was so successful
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: so quickly, and she was so smart about buying things
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: for the store that she didn't buy too much, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: so people would come in and they would buy stuff
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: right out of the box because they were afraid that
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: it was going to go away.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Two thousand and three or four, Yeah, she said, twenty
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: years ago. And I'm assuming that's about when the or
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: maybe even two thousand and two, somewhere in the early
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: early early two thousands, right, Soprah was off the air
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: So yeah, So then so when they are successful within
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: three months Oprah, which is wild that she even found
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: that store and went, well, it's sounded like.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: The place to be if you were a high end shopper,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and it sounded very welcoming. By the way, she loves
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a Chabby sheet couch because she Chabby sheet couches at
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the store at our wedding.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. She did mention Chevy. Sheit twice.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: You're so right, So get some she couches that we
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: took from Belgray. We put him on our lawn in
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: the back.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: So true.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: But then Oprah's like, oh, I want to have this
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: on my favorite things. So what are you going to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: put on your favorite things? You can't have It's got
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to be a product go to. Yeah, it has to
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: be a product of that brand, right, So that would
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: make sense why they had to create a candle or
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: whatever because they couldn't have earrings. It's not she was
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: making jewelry or clothes. She was using other brands. She
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: just the way she curated it was perfect. But whatever
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: it was, it worked because then like Harry was like
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: going online. Now this is where Harry steps up. I
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: have to say he stepped up for Belgray big time.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: And then he.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Didn't he like construct the shop pretty much.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, he renovated that shop with his own two hands
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and he had some help. And then he put together
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the website right before.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Build a website for dummies, like an EC website dummies.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: He got one of those books.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Love that Love that happy Ye so happy to hear that,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and then they made like one hundred thousand dollars in
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: like one day or something from after she was showcased
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: on Oprah. But the thing is is that then they
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: started to get more inventory because they thought it would
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: continue to go, but then it didn't continue, so then
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: they were left with all this inventory. And then eventually
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: they did have to shut their doors because oh, because
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: of the recessions. Yeah yeah, six years later, yeah yeah,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: but that that's such an interesting Oh and then after that,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: which I thought was really interesting is that once they
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: closed the doors, then came knocking is QBC saying like,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: we want to have whatever you are going to, you know,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: build and design and sell it on our sell it
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: on our network. Which was incredible. So then all of
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: a sudden she gets that from just having her store, right.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Something like that, I mean obviously and her personality.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: But one thing that.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Was interesting to me is like I just always assumed
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: like if you're selling your wares on QVC, that you're
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: just like bringing it all there, and in terms of
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: like it's your design, your infrastructure, and you're just selling
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: it on there. I didn't realize that the reason why
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: she lost her deal with QBC is because they controlled
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the infrastructure of her clothes.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Do you think that it could be two different deals,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Like they could go after people and help cre curate
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: things like it's a celebrity or or you do have
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: actual people who have the product and they bring it in.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: It seems like it would be both. But I've never
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: heard of this, like you're saying, never heard of that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I didn't realize, like at the end there
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: during COVID and once they had a new CEO, like
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize, like she had no idea what she
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: was going to be promoting until she showed up, and
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, wait a second.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Well because yeah, because the first manufacturer that they were
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: courting her with, they designed great pieces that she had
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: complete hands on creativity and input on, so she knew
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the quality of it, the fabric, the style, everything. So
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: but then when they switched that manufacturer, she was like, Okay,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: let's do a moto jacket. The next thing you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: she shows up in that in the dressing room or wherever,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: and she's like, this is awful. I can't go on
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: there and sell this. This is terrible, And so she
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: just had to sell like a sweater sweater dress or
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: something like that. Or I don't know what it was. Yeah, yeah,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: the sweater dress. Interesting that it came back around because
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: when she talked about her childhood and how she was
• 31:37
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• 31:42
  Speaker 2: many people in Oregon, and she was bullied for the
• 31:46
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• 31:50
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• 31:53
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• 31:55
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• 31:58
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• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I appreciated hearing about her childhood and the bullying because
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: it just goes to show how much she know she
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: was beat down when she was younger, and it has
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: a lot to do with her empathy. I believe she.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Seems to keep categorizing women as being on the difficult side,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and I thought that's unfortunate. But it did seem like
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: she kept kind of going back to that theme of
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: working with women or I know, it's her experience, but
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I just thought, like, really, okay.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: But it yeah, but it is her experience.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: But on the flip side, I liked that in the
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: book she's saying, don't do that, please help help the person.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Help lend a helping hand to another gal. And you
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: know what, I you know, personally in my experience with
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: just doing my bits and wigs and bits and stuff
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: with Bravo personalities, She's at the top of the list
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: of being supportive and not only supportive but actually taking
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: steps to help promote, which is very rare. And there
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: are only two other people who I feel, well, there's
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: a couple, but Heather Dubrow was great. Ramona Singer was
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: actually really great. She was the first one. But Lisa
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: really stood out to me as wanting to foster that
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: relationship of women supporting women and making sure that she
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: does that. Yeah, and she teaches her girls that, which
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I appreciate, and she says that a lot in the
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: book about what to do and not to do.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I don't mind if it's her experience. And it was
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: mentioned once. I just was surprised how often it was
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: repeated in different ways, and I thought that that said
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: more about like something at least it maybe needed to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: work through, and it did about working with women.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: You know, what were some of the other examples. I'm
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: trying to remember what she was talking about when you
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: were saying that.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Business like CEOs or also just in terms of when
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: she was an actress. Here's the thing, she would kind
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: of go in on men individually to say this guy
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: was really hard to work with, but then it was
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: a general comments a women, and I don't think she's
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: anti women. It just it hit my ear a couple
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: different times. I was like, wait, that guy was just
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: an asshole, but then women in general, like I didn't
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I just didn't love that. Now. She went in also,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: by the way, so hard on Dion. Warwick was like.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Well she was. She was horrible to her on the Apprentice,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: which that was very funny. But I also kind of
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: chalk that up to like just Dione being like an
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: older lady and kind of just being like, I don't know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: just kind of out of it, not really even realizing
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: that because she's a diva. She's a diva, you know. Yeah,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I mean and when she said Dion was like, go
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: get me a coke or whatever, or go get me
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: a pepsi, and she's like I jumped and like ran
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and got it. I would have done that too, But
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the Apprentice, Yeah, that's tough because the Apprentice is a
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: competition show, so you're going to go after She's got
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of bad blood from that, and that is
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: one that she wishes she wouldn't have done. While we're
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: on the business aspect, kind of when she did her
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Lisa Rinna beauty, when she did her lip kits, that
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I always wondered kind of what happened with the success
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: of that. First of all, it took a lot of
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: time to get going, and she didn't speak to that
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: when she was like, I finally got this up and running.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: We waited so long to pick the right people to
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: do this job and to get it right. But I
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: don't think that that was the reason. It was probably financial,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: and it was weird that if that's what it was,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: she didn't address that because it took so long to
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: launch that brand and really it was so far after
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: she was on The Housewives that it was like ill
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: timed in my opinion. And she said that the company
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: that she was working with really messed up because when
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: they went to go you know, present these lip kits
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: or you know, her brand to all these different stores,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: she was not present. That's why she's not in Baby
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: want to there? Yeah, they didn't want her there, So
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: she's mad, And I'm like that totally makes sense, Like
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: why wouldn't you want Lisa Rinna at these meetings to
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: help you sell. That does seem like a huge misstep.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: And I appreciated learning about a little aspect of the business. Well, yeah,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: you should be in the room.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: While she was writing the book, she didn't know all
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the fault, Like I only know that the company is
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: done because of the trader's reunion with Porsche. Remember PA's like,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I threw away my Lisa Renna yeah book And she's like,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: what's fine, We're ont of business. Yeah. And I was like,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I wonder if when she was writing this book things
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: were still like maybe like she couldn't totally talk about it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: She thought maybe this book would help because it's not
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: over yet in the way she was writing.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I agree, And I was like, oh, this is done.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now we know maybe at the time.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, they should go back in and fix that
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: on the audiover So.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Forty dollars for a lip kit, well, the paperback version.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, talk about traders, you know that when they
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: do the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, I want to know
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: more about traders, and I want to know a flipkit.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: But forty dollars for a lip kit at that price point,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: if you're going into like Target, that seems too high.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: To me, it does seem too high. I completely agree,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: and that could have been also the mistake of the
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: company that she was working with that they priced it
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: too high.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Wait, when you said they were hit with a surprise
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: tax bill to pay in a week, how does that
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: happen that you have to pay a tax bill in
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: a week? Like? How can you get surprised by that?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Do you think that they just somehow didn't receive it,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: or like, how does that happen?
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I think that they punted a long time on a
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: tax bill, and they got to the point where there
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: was maybe going to be a levey or lean on
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: their whatever company had the tax bill. Sounded like it
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: was personal because if they were going to lose their house,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: it would be whatever entity owned the house, which was
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: probably them. And so yeah, I think it sounded like
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: they push it off and pushed it off although it
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: would have been gathering interest. I don't know. Maybe they
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: were afraid of the gathering interest. I don't know why.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: It was like you better pay this in one week.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm looking at my notes and it says surprise
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: tax bill to pay in a week. Struggle has kept
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: them hustling and creating. That's why she wrote this book.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: So you're right. I think you're right about the timing
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: of that because.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: She said she doesn't like writing books, but she's doing
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: this because, like they have to make money. God, I'm
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: also like, sell the fucking dresses. I'm like, like, I
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: appreciate how attached she is to the pieces, and maybe
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: she doesn't have to sell every single thing. But I'm like,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I correct me if I'm wrong, But I don't think
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that she's got like a Deborah Vance from Hacks warehouse
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: where she goes in and they're displayed beautifully throughout the warehouse,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: like in like, I think she's got them on racks
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: in her garage right right what we saw or you know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I've heard her say both things because I think she
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to be robbed exactly.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: She was like, they're not in there anymore. There's somewhere
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: else that it's safe, far far far away. It's like
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: they're still in there. We all know.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, if they're not beautifully displayed somewhere where
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: you're appreciating them every day, then like, what are you
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: doing so well?
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: How much can you really make from those twenty.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Five thousand dollars a piece. At least that's what she said.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: This thing was worth this this is now this dress
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: that I have is now worth like thirty grand I'm like, yeah,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: pieces of art that people collect.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I hear what you're saying. It must
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: be the investment in them and that they're only going
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: to appreciate in value as time goes on. And that's
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: really for her girls to it must just be like
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: something that she has decided that this is a collection
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: she's going to keep, like art that she will pass down.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: But I mean, you're right, and honestly, I would rather
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: her keep those dresses and Harry go out and you know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: do an audiobook for crying out a loud to make
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: some money instead of her having to to let go
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: of things that I believe are so precious to her.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: What was very clear in this book was how important
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: fashion was to her, and I didn't realize that that
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: was a huge discovery, and how she's like I was
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: never like the fashionista on Beverly Hills because I was
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: buried under the competition was too much, because she was
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: overshadowed by the other housewives because they were so rich
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: and they could buy the most stuff. And I also appreciated,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: and you will too in how all of us should
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: is that like she didn't buy stuff that she couldn't
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: necessarily afford, that she didn't have the case on hand
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: to buy at that time. Case in point, the white
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Victoria Beckham dressed that she wore at that reunion. When
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: she told Lisa to own it thirty seven times, she
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: returned that because she didn't have the money at that
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: time to buy it.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And I said, she spent all her housewives money, like
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: she didn't make money on the show because she kept
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: spending money to look the clothes on the show.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that too, But at least she had the
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: money to spend and wasn't spending like to read on
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: a credit card that she she had the cash on
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: hand to do it, I guess, is what I'm saying.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And she built up, you know, her point. The way
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: that she her life has gone is interesting. That's what
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I like. The trajectory of how her life went from
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: like a girl in Oregon being you know, obsessed with
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: fashion and wanting to be a performer her mom wanted
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: to be an actress, to like, you know, making the
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Holly would dream happen, all the acting, all the reality,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: all the business, and then to come full circle after Housewives,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: after it was Crickets, after Housewives, and she got a
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: new pr person, she got a new stylist after like
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: nineteen years her it came full circle into now she
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: is in the fashion world. She's invited in the fashion world.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: She didn't go searching for it. She's now like getting
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: a hello, a very faint high from Anna Wintour at
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: a fashion show. She's getting stylists lending her clothes. She's
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: never had that happen. She's never been invited to these shows.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: She was able to get an Arame's Minnie Kelly bag.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: She was never afforded that option before. You know, like
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: all these things are opening to her. After everything that
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: she's put herself through in those decisions that she's made,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: she's now living basically her best life. This is the dream.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: This is the end of her story as of right
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: now in terms of like she went through the hard
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: times and now she's doing things that she really feels
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: like she was meant to do in the first Did
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: you get that vibe?
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I think that she wants us as
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: she's also I think a little frustrated with us as
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: fans for her final season of Beverly Hills. Yeah, but
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I think she wants to be like, hey, to all
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: my haters, I'm doing just fine on the other side,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: and it's better than ever. And she also said I
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: always talk to how other women that have left the
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: franchise to know like it's going to be fine, Like
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: you're going to get through this and it's going to
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: be better. I appreciated that. Yeah, and that's what you want.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: She squashed the rumor about she wanted two million dollars
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: or she wouldn't come back, and it sounds like she
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: did lose her job, whereas it wasn't like, oh, I'm
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: asking for this money and they're like, we can't do it.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: We're going to let you go, and she's like, well,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: se la Vie. It was she was hated and driven out,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: and she said she would have come back if it
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: weren't for the haters, which was interesting because I didn't
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: expect her to say that, and she was destroyed. This
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: book definitely took us into her world of feeling like
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: betrayed by Bravo, hated by the fans, like she had to,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: you know, her cutting and running and blocking and blocking
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: and just trying to rebuild.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised at talking about that last season.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: She still to this day is like part of the
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: thing that I think is she's upset with, like Garcela
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: and Sutton about is how hard they went in on
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Erica and not having Erica's back, because that's all she wanted.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I would not have had Erica's
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: back that season, Are you crazy, Lisa? Like it was
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: nice that you were her friend, don't get me wrong,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: but like to just blindly have Erica's back, And she's
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: like all of these women had gone through divorces. I
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: was like, this was Naiya, your typical divorce Renna, and.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: She chose to be an ally to Erica. And yeah,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: she didn't have to, but she made that decision. She
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: committed to that role on the show, which is how
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I think she saw it all along.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if the entire cast acted like Renna,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: we as the audience would have revolted. I mean they just.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Had to have people. Yes, it has to balance itself out.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: And I certainly at that time when we were watching
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: I understood what was going on with Renna, and she
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: was you could tell she didn't even necessarily even want
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: to be doing that. She knew how absurd it was.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure she had conversations with Renna I'm sorry
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Erica off camera, which is like you really should try
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: and just you know, but like she was like, well,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get you out of here. I mean,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: she had to. She made a decision and she stuck
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: with it, and yeah, it has to have some sort
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: of balance, But it seemed like more so with the
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: breakdown of what happened with she and Garcela was the
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: bots and the racism and all that stuff, and with Sutton,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: something went down there that I just cannot figure out.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I can to be about Elton John's Oscar party.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Now, I have a feeling it's about drink I really do.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I have a feeling it's about Sutton's drinking and and
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Lisa kind of something happened. That's just my opinion.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe like all the residual anger that Renna
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: has stored up from all that time, she's just putting
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: fully into Sutton and being like, no print it. Yeah,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: by the way, when she talks about thanking Michael Bolton.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Oh God, I'm like, I wonder if Michael Bolton knew what.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: The fuck Lisa knew what she was talking about.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: I got the vibe when because she ended the chapter
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: when she was like, thank you for this beautiful life.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: And he took my hand and said you are so welcome,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: and I.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Was like, oh, like you thought that he was just
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: a fan. Yeah, right, that's hilarious.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: That's a great way to end the chapter because he
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: was like, you're welcome. I know exactly what's your Yeah,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have my hearing.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because yeah he's a he's a singer. And he said, well,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: god he rips his voice. But that is so funny. Yeah,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: that is a hilarious take. He gets me, he gets me,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: and he knew, he knew, he knew. He changed my
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: life and he was like, okay. Also, you know, Nicolette
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Sheridan left Harry for Michael Bolton Michael Bolton and then
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: like then Harry met Lisa in that sunglasses shop and
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: all that. That was really interesting, and then Kenny g
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: played at their wedding, which was amazing and hilarious.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: This was such a like an early nineties.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Like the Dream it was. I loved it. The bandage
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: dresses and like all of the drops of the times,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: you know, and and the people that they were around,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: and how she went to Joan Collins's dinner party and
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: who was there was amazing. What was wild was to
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: find out about Harry's family. He must have allowed her
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: to talk about that, because we discovered that Harry's parents
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: were both real messed up. His mom was like a
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: very angry alcoholic and that his father was like a
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: genius who worked on getting the Apollo thirteen because he
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: was like literally an astrophysicist. Now she was like, oh, yeah,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: they used to take they used to shoot each other
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: up with quote unquote vitamins from this doctor in Beverly Hills.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: He used to lace these vitamins with something. So she's
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: saying that they are taking shot like actual injections. Like
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: what exactly is she saying there?
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  Speaker 1: That generation man, they like my grandmother used to go
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: to the doctor to get her spring cleaning pills. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like that was just what was going on.
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  Speaker 2: So like, oh my god, what that's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like requiem for a dream, like Ellen Berson's
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  Speaker 1: character like, and it was basically speed, like her doctor
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: was giving her speed, but like got.
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  Speaker 2: To bring cleaning pills. Okay, yeah, that's amazing. I've never
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: ever heard that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think there was just that moment
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  Speaker 1: of time where it was like, we've got a pill
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  Speaker 1: for everything, go to your doctor. I mean, I guess
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  Speaker 1: we still do, but I'm it was fast and loose
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  Speaker 1: with those.
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  Speaker 2: People, right, No, we still do, but I know what
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: you're saying. It was just like, yeah, they were just
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: throwing anything at the wall. Yeah, yeah, wow, wow, oh
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: my god, this is huge. I can't believe I almost
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: forgot about this. Okay. Lisa explained her daughter Delilah being
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: diagnosed with PANDAS and I think you guys have heard
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: me talk about this, that Maddie has that too.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: And Emily Simpson's son. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was blown away with what she talked about in
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: this And this was happening during Housewives, and they knew it,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: and she filmed a lot talking about it. The other
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: women didn't get it, of course they did it. This
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: is such a new it's still a new autoimmune condition
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  Speaker 2: that people are not aware of, and the producers certainly
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: didn't know of it, and they didn't find that it
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: was going to be compelling enough, and so they took
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: all that footage out, which I felt like, again Lisa
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: at the forefront of so many things again and they
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: didn't do that, which hitting the ground floor is such
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: a shame in terms of like putting visibility on something
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  Speaker 2: that she clearly was struggling with that they actually didn't
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: even It sounds like they didn't have the answers then
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: at all, because an antibiotic can sometimes help in that situation,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: and it sounds like they were going and they were
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: going to therapists and they were doing all these things
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: when other things can actually help that immune response. However,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: on the flip side, she was glad in the end
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: because they didn't leave the footage in because then she
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: was able to protect Delilah. Yeah, and I was like, aha,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: so that's actually a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the producers, by accident, they the right thing happened,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like, but like as a parent, obviously, like
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: as a viewing parent, yes, there was probably information there
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: that would have been helpful to know, you know, like
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: we talked about it in this last season of OC,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: like when we're hearing all this about Emily Simpson's kid,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know, is it good? Is
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: it not good? I don't know. I'm absolutely sure it's
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: helping a parent out there for sure, So then in
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: that way it's good. But then, like you know, for
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: that for her son when he gets older, like I
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: think Renna's daughter did. Really, I think that it's good
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't on TV.
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  Speaker 2: Especially because she was older. You know, she was like
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: eleven at that time, whereas with Emily's son, he's very young.
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  Speaker 1: This elementary school, and it's like other kids talk as
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: we know.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but she can once she's tackled that, she has
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: a way to distance herself from that in discussing it.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: And it will be in the past, yes, it will
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: still always live you know, online and in these in
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: the episodes. However, it's a lot easier to get away
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: from that when you're so young. And I think Emily
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: should speak on what the treatment is and if it's helping,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: and that's great, and then leave it there and then
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: move on because he's getting older. And I don't talk
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: about it a lot because I don't want to completely
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: discuss everything that my daughter's going through. However, she was
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: diagnosed very young, as opposed to when Delilah was at eleven,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: and Maddie's was nowhere near as severe as what they
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: went through with Delilah. And I have read and I
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: have studied this, and that is like the worst case scenario.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, what an absolute nightmare to experience this, And
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: it's so real. It's so real, and it's brought on
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: by just your body is fighting against itself and it's
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: affecting a part in your brain that makes your body
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: do things that it wouldn't normally do emotionally and physically,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: like ticks, and then the anxiety stuff. I just you
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: become a totally different person. So what does end up
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: helping is antibiotic. Sometimes kids go on it for long
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: periods of time so as to just like keep it
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: at bay because it fights the inflammation of that area
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: of your brain, and then others just get an antibiotic
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: when they have a flare up. There's homeopathy that is
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: studied to be incredibly helpful. Maddie has done both the
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: antibiotic and she also does homeopathy and we've found a
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: lot of help in that. So and I'm glad it's
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: on the map. And I was really blow in a
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: way that she mentioned that about Delilah and that she
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: came out of it at twenty. So I'm just so
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: curious as to what exactly the treatment was, because if
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: she never had the treatment of the things that are
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: out there right now to help, and she had to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: suffer that whole time, that's awful. That's awful. Yeah, it
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: sounds like a nightmare.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: And it only would have been compounded if we had
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: footage of it and we were watching it.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, yes, yes, So well, all right, do you want
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: to give it a rating now, Emily, since we've come
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: to the end.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Here, I'm going to say I'm going to give it
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: a six, because slow, it's something low.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many Bad Housewives books out there, Okay,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: go ahead, Well, no, you're.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: You're right on that. Are we counting Sheena's book?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: We count? Yeah, I'm sorry, we should count all the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Bravoeleberties books.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing I had higher hopes for where Rinna
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: is now. I was surprised the sudden thing really did
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: take it down for me, and that yeah, yeah, affairly
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: sold some books fair. I just thought that she was
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: on the other side of a lot of this, and
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying she can't have frustrations, but you know, yeah,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: it took it down because I thought.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, point's taken off fair enough, fair enough, So.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little low like six, it's better than most.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: It's above average.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: So when you're reviewing other BRA celebrity books, they must
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: be at like a level of three.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Well, like Shina's was really good and I didn't expect
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: it to be as good as it was to me.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: So that's the other thing. I had higher expectations for Renna,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: and they were maybe I'll give her.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: A seven, and I will give her an eight point five.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: So you went up a little bit and I went
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: down a little bit.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it's definitely The audiobook was great if
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: you are just looking for something to listen to to
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: get some insight into that whole world. I thought it
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: was excellent, and she does an excellent read on performance
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: is good.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love that. I love that we obviously
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: did not cover everything. It's impossible, and that's because we don't.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: We also shouldn't, you know, people should get the book
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: and read it. It was a New York Times bestseller, So.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you had, like I thought, the lowest stuff.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: We didn't really touch on that, but just hearing how
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: that relationship with Lois was its kind of the threat
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: of the whole book. But yeah, there's a lot we
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: didn't touch on, so you definitely like should get it
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: from the audiobook, from the library or something.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Or to support. You know, they have a house to,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: they have a house to, uh that they don't want
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: to lose.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: No, no, no no, get yourself a Gerve sauce and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: uh book. I can go drink it under a tree
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: while you read Lisa Renna's book.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Well, thanks for joining us on this edition
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: of the Bravo Book Club. You better believe I'm going
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: to talk about it by Lisa Renna. Thanks Emily. This
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: was just a blast. Bye for now. Bye Drama, Darling Drama,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Darling
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  Speaker 1: Drama, Darling