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Chuck & Buck 10-2 Hour 3: 12th Man Roundtable with Hugh Millen and Gregg Bell · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: All right, it's Chuck Brook and Ashley with you here
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Speaker 1: on this Thursday we roll into our eight o'clock hour.
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Speaker 1: You know what we do every Thursday from eight to nine,
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Speaker 1: we talked some Seahawks football with the best in the business,
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Speaker 1: our Seahawks inside of Greg bell is with us and
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Speaker 1: our QB one Hugh Millan joins us as well here
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Speaker 1: on this Thursday. Good morning, fellas, good morning, good morning,
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Speaker 1: good morning. All Right, Buccaneers on Sunday, for my money,
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Speaker 1: the best team this team is faced this year. But
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Speaker 1: you know where I want to start. I want to
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Speaker 1: go back to what we did last Thursday. Hugh, you
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Speaker 1: made a comment about, yes, it's tough to play Thursday
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Speaker 1: night football, but if you can win that game, the
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Speaker 1: advantage that it gives you the following week, Well, facing
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Speaker 1: this good of a team, I'll take any advantage I
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Speaker 1: can get. And this sounds like the healthiest the Seahawks
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Speaker 1: have been in quite some time. So I'd love to
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Speaker 1: see them take full advantage of these extra days of rest,
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Speaker 1: recovery and preparation to face this Buccaneers team on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because the Buccaneers had to play the Eagles and
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Speaker 2: everything that entailed physically and emotionally playing at home, and
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Speaker 2: of course they didn't win that game. They had another
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Speaker 2: valiant late game effort that almost came through like it
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Speaker 2: had in the first couple of weeks. So I think
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Speaker 2: that that's difficult for them. A couple of them obviously
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Speaker 2: flying about as far as you can in the NFL
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Speaker 2: across the country, and then Seattle having that advantage. You know,
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Speaker 2: the point was, Hey, the Cardinals and the Seahawks greg
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Speaker 2: were on equal footing. They both it sucked for both
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Speaker 2: of them to have to play on Thursday. But now
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Speaker 2: they get the Seahawks, they get that advantage for having
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Speaker 2: that extra kind of mini buy.
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Speaker 3: They had Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday off from practice.
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Speaker 3: Weren't on the field at all, so four out of
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Speaker 3: five days the Seahawks were off. They're not fully healthy.
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Speaker 3: I don't think the Marcus Lawrence is going to play
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Speaker 3: this week with the thigh injury he got in Arizona.
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Speaker 3: He didn't practice yesterday. Mike McDonald was starting to learn
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Speaker 3: how he is with injuries. When he is a circumspect
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Speaker 3: about Lawrence as he's been, it usually means not going
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Speaker 3: to play. Devin Witherspoon didn't practice yesterday either, but I
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Speaker 3: think they are managing his knee. He had a big
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Speaker 3: ice wrap on his knee in the locker room in
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Speaker 3: Arizona after he played. And Julian Love didn't practice yesterday
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Speaker 3: with a hamstring, but I expect him to play as well.
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Speaker 3: But Lawrence could be the one that even with this
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Speaker 3: mini buye not going to play. The players went away,
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Speaker 3: it was like having a second by. The coaches stayed
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Speaker 3: and did some self scouting, and we've talked about how
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Speaker 3: they've been very good when they've run to the left
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Speaker 3: side and being a left leaning offense. We also talked
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Speaker 3: this week, Chuck and I did about how they aren't
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Speaker 3: running left. The last couple of weeks since Pittsburgh, they
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Speaker 3: have run about thirty percent thirty five percent of the
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Speaker 3: time to the left, sixty five percent to the right,
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Speaker 3: and they haven't even come close to their rushing totals
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Speaker 3: they had against the Steelers. They are trying to get
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Speaker 3: their running game going. That's part of what they were
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Speaker 3: doing in the mini by. The coaches are trying to
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Speaker 3: reapproach the run game. They are far from hole on
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Speaker 3: the offense and they're not going to get their offensive
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Speaker 3: identity straight until they get their running games straight.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that. You dive into that this
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Speaker 1: running game still is not where it wants to be,
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Speaker 1: and yet they are fully committed to it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you've got one of the hottest quarterbacks in the National
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Speaker 1: Football League. He's throwing the ball about forty percent of
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Speaker 1: the snaps to this point, and yet a struggling running
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Speaker 1: attack is still the point of emphasis on trying to
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Speaker 1: get this offense going. What do you make of all that.
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Speaker 2: Well, the numbers would suggest, based on the difference in
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Speaker 2: the efficiency, that the Seahawks ought to pass the ball more.
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Speaker 2: I think that they feel philosophically that if they do
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Speaker 2: pass the ball more, the efficiency will go down and
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Speaker 2: sacks will come into play and the like, and so yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's probably at this juncture, almost at the quarter pool
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Speaker 2: of the season, probably the biggest disappointment for the Seahawks
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Speaker 2: is how they have run the ball. And it's not
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Speaker 2: just the wide zone. Uh, They're they're trying other things.
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Speaker 2: In fact that I think they've had a lower percentage
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Speaker 2: of wide zone that I had anticipated. You know, they
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Speaker 2: they're they're running duo in so I plays inside zone,
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Speaker 2: they're running power encounter, the gap schemes, they're pin and poll,
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Speaker 2: they're they're trying to get different type of schemes and uh,
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Speaker 2: and you know, really they just kind of are mired
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Speaker 2: in difficulty. And I think, I mean, CA nine has
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Speaker 2: had some of the most amazing four yard runs that
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Speaker 2: a guy could possibly have, and with with guys just
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Speaker 2: showing up totally unblocked, and his lateral quickness is able
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Speaker 2: to to at least reconcile something. So I think that
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Speaker 2: they'll continue continue to hammer at it. But I would
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Speaker 2: say from a scheme standpoint, Uh, it's not for lack
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Speaker 2: of trying, because we're seeing a lot of effort. From
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Speaker 2: a different scheme standpoint.
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Speaker 1: Greg, let's talk about somebody who's back and healthy. I
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Speaker 1: think it's a huge talking point this week. Nick emn Worri,
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Speaker 1: is he playing Sunday and is he going to? Are
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Speaker 1: we finally going to get to see this role we've
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Speaker 1: been dreaming about and wondering about all off season.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was full participant in practice yesterday. It's the
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Speaker 3: first time he's been full since he's high ankle spring.
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Speaker 3: The fourth snap he had of the season in the
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Speaker 3: opener in that's game. He played four of the first
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Speaker 3: five snaps against San Francisco and the opener, and I
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Speaker 3: had my binacaos trained on him. McDonald put him as
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Speaker 3: an outside linebacker, he put him as a post safety,
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Speaker 3: and they put him in the slot. He got injured
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Speaker 3: as an outside linebacker, whitzing free when no one blocked
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Speaker 3: him and he ran into Christian McCaffrey for a tackle
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Speaker 3: for loss. We saw in just four plays, three different
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Speaker 3: ways McDonald intends to use him. They have just been
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Speaker 3: mixing and matching without him yet still trying the big
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Speaker 3: safety with the Anthony Bell and Tyle. So McDonald is
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Speaker 3: intent on doing this, but now he's got the guy
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Speaker 3: he's intending to do it with back in his lineup,
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Speaker 3: and I think we're going to see the fool em
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Speaker 3: and worry and everything McDonald wants to do with him
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Speaker 3: right away. They held him out. This is the fourth
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Speaker 3: of the week that he has had since the injury.
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Speaker 3: When they didn't put him on injured reserve, it suggested
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Speaker 3: that he would be back after at least four games,
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Speaker 3: because otherwise they would put him on iron. He would
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Speaker 3: have missed four weeks and it could have cleared a
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Speaker 3: roster spot, so they have been missing him. The defense
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Speaker 3: run defense, though, has been good. They haven't had to
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Speaker 3: commit as meant many snaps to a safety down in
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Speaker 3: the box and still stopping the run while getting pressure
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Speaker 3: from the front four in the past game if Arizona.
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Speaker 3: This is a big if, but if Arizona had not
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Speaker 3: scored in the last five fifty two touchdowns Thursday night,
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Speaker 3: this team still would have not allowed seventeen points a game,
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Speaker 3: they would be leading the league in points allowed. As
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Speaker 3: it is, they're only giving up about seventeen points a game.
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Speaker 3: Only one team scored more than seventeen Arizona with the
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Speaker 3: twenty at the end of the game. They are okay
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Speaker 3: defensively doing it with that with Devin Witherspoon missing two games,
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Speaker 3: with Emon worry all with four snaps so far this season,
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Speaker 3: and they're doing it without having to blitz, when they're
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Speaker 3: pressuring and affecting quarterbacks without having to blitz, and just
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Speaker 3: getting the front four. Leonard Williams, Lawrence until he got hurt,
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Speaker 3: Jaron Reid and Byron Murphy. Those four are allowing McDonald
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Speaker 3: to cover with seven and Bucky and Hugh and you
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Speaker 3: and me. We could all figure out seven against four
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Speaker 3: eligible receivers, you're going to be able to cover that
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Speaker 3: most of the time. And that's the numbers that have
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Speaker 3: been in Seattle's favors so far. Emon Warry is going
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Speaker 3: to only add to that. Pretty encouraging for the Seahawks
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Speaker 3: to be as good as they have been for four
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Speaker 3: games on defense without even worried being in but all
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Speaker 3: with four players.
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Speaker 1: Who don't even worry. Be happy. Uh, he's back. He's
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Speaker 1: back for us. All you excited about that? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I think that he is really the Swiss Army knife
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Speaker 2: that Mike McDonald really covets. I think I think he
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Speaker 2: sees him in something of a Kyle Hamilton roll the
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Speaker 2: safety to do everything safety for the Ravens, who's first
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Speaker 2: has been first team All Pro and acknowledged to be
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Speaker 2: one of the best players of that style.
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Speaker 3: Uh in the league. Now.
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Speaker 2: He only played four plays against the forty nine ers.
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Speaker 2: I my notes, I don't have him as a post safety,
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Speaker 2: Greg I have him. The one time he was deep,
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Speaker 2: it was a quarter safety where they're rolling cover two
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Speaker 2: to the weak side and he was backing off in
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Speaker 2: the quarters. I't we haven't seen him play. I didn't
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Speaker 2: think he was good in post safety at South Carolina, uh,
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Speaker 2: being a single safety and and and that's a weakness,
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Speaker 2: so I don't I would contend that he has had
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Speaker 2: a snap at post safety.
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Speaker 3: Okay, we all call it deep cover safety a.
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Speaker 2: Quarter safety, but but I I think that the most
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Speaker 2: significant of those four plays for me was the time
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Speaker 2: they went cover one man to man and he was
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Speaker 2: aligned to cover Christian McCaffrey out of the backfield and
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Speaker 2: with no bracket help. And there was a play I
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Speaker 2: believe it was Kansas City, but there was a play
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Speaker 2: that made an imprint on me in the preseason when
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Speaker 2: they went cover one that's man to man and he
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Speaker 2: was aligned out on the slot against I even looked
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Speaker 2: up the height and weight of the receiver. I think
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Speaker 2: he was sub one hundred and ninety pounds, so presumably
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Speaker 2: a quick guy on the hoof. He looked like a
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Speaker 2: quick receiver in the slot. And they had a feeling that, hey,
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Speaker 2: you just match up, use your length. You're a good
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Speaker 2: enough athlete to be able to be paired in the slot.
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Speaker 2: I think that's an important point because in the alignment
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Speaker 2: that they want to have him as a nickel Sam
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Speaker 2: often coaches called that the star position, that Nickel sam position.
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Speaker 2: You can't just say, well they won't they the Seahawks
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Speaker 2: won't play man to man if we put a guy
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Speaker 2: in the slot against him. The Seahawks have sown a
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Speaker 2: willingness to put Amon Worry in man and man situations
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Speaker 2: against ostensibly you know, a challenging and quick player. Certainly
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Speaker 2: McCaffrey would fit that description. So I think there's a
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Speaker 2: lot they plan to do with them, and I think
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Speaker 2: mcmike McDonald's is feeling like he gets his second crack
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Speaker 2: at Christmas this Sunday with.
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Speaker 1: His brand new toy.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 1: They have a pretty versatile running back greg and Bucky Irving,
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Speaker 1: but he doesn't look like he's going to be playing
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Speaker 1: this week either. So how much easier does that make
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Speaker 1: a life for the Seahawks defense Sunday?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, our Bucky that duck was talking about Bucky Irving
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Speaker 3: the Duck earlier this week. Now, that is, he was
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Speaker 3: in a walking boot yesterday and Tampa reporters said and
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Speaker 3: also with crutches, and Todd Bowles, the coach of the Buccaneers, said, well,
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Speaker 3: if he's still in crutches in a walking through Friday,
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Speaker 3: he's not going to play obviously, so they're holding out
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Speaker 3: hope he still can play if he can rapidly improve
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Speaker 3: between then and Friday. If he doesn't play, that is
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Speaker 3: a big deal because I've talked about how Irving is
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Speaker 3: very decisive, but not just in the run game. He
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Speaker 3: hasn't had a game yet this season Bucky Irving where
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Speaker 3: he hasn't had at least fourteen carries and four receptions
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Speaker 3: out of the backfield, and that is one thing the
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Speaker 3: Seahawks have struggled with defensively. Our passes to the running
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Speaker 3: backs outside in the flat and tackling after the catch
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Speaker 3: secondary missed multiple tackles and even just in the first
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Speaker 3: half alone when they were controlling the game against Arizona.
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Speaker 3: Bucky Irving is a dual threat guy against them outside
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Speaker 3: and inside pass and run. If he's not in there,
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Speaker 3: well for Shad White would be the number one back.
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Speaker 3: You remember that name? I remember watching or Shad White
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Speaker 3: won all over the Seahawks in Munich in twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: two as a rookie. The Buccaneers had the thirty second
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Speaker 3: rank run offense, and Tom Brady changed got to the
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Speaker 3: line of scrimmage in Munich and turned every pass call
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Speaker 3: into a run and they ran for one hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty yards in the first half, where Shad White had
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Speaker 3: his first one hundred yard game. He's only had three
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Speaker 3: in his four year career. Rashad White will be the
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Speaker 3: number one if Bucky Irving can't run on Sunday, and
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Speaker 3: they will run because they don't want Baker Mayfield exposed
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Speaker 3: to a pass rush to tease off on him as
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Speaker 3: much as as Mayfield can extend plays. By the way, yesterday,
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Speaker 3: Mike McDonald said that in their metrics they used for
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Speaker 3: extending plays by quarterbacks, Baker Mayfield is number one in
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Speaker 3: the league, the best in the league of doing it
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Speaker 3: and producing yards outside the pocket extending plays. So, just
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Speaker 3: like Kiler Murray last week, it's another week of a
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Speaker 3: Seahawks pass rush having to rush disciplined outside in rush lanes.
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Speaker 3: Contained may be more important than sacks on some plays
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Speaker 3: because Baker Mayfield kill you if you get him outside. Mayfield,
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Speaker 3: by the way, is the first quarterback in NFL history,
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Speaker 3: and found this out last night he was writing about
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Speaker 3: him first quarterback in NFL history to win three games
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Speaker 3: to start a season, all in the final minute they
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Speaker 3: were three to zero for the first time since two
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Speaker 3: thousand and five until the Eagles beat him the other day,
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Speaker 3: and that was because the Eagles took a twenty one
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Speaker 3: point lead. Mayfield almost brought him all the way back.
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Speaker 3: He's still dangerous. Is a good Cooper Cup story. I
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Speaker 3: wrote in the News Tribune this morning about why Cooper
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Speaker 3: Cup loves and respects Baker Mayfield. Y'all remember the Thursday
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Speaker 3: night game Rams and Raiders twenty twenty two. If you
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Speaker 3: remember that Baker Mayfield had gotten cut by the Carolina
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Speaker 3: Panthers because Sam Darnold took his job in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 3: It was the year that the Panthers traded with the
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Speaker 3: Browns to get Baker Mayfield, the former number one pick
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Speaker 3: from twenty eighteen. Donald takes his job because Mayfield only
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Speaker 3: when one of six starts. Panthers start Donald wave Mayfield,
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Speaker 3: Rams pick him up on a Tuesday and have a
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Speaker 3: Thursday night game against the Raiders. John Wolford started to remember.
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Speaker 3: John Wolford beat the Seahawks.
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Speaker 1: Up here five put three full of muscle.
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Speaker 3: Beat the Seahawks. He had another journeyman quarterbacker game in
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Speaker 3: here in the Pete earlier and beat him. John Wolford
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Speaker 3: started that game a Thursday night against the Raiders in Inglewood.
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Speaker 3: Three plays, three yards, three and out. The Raiders took
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Speaker 3: a ten to nothing lead, and McVeigh put Baker Mayfield in.
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Speaker 3: Mayfield brought him back from a sixteen to three deficit
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Speaker 3: ninety eight yard drive in the finals. He went ninety
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Speaker 3: eight yards in ninety five seconds. Learning Sean mcvay's offense
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Speaker 3: in two days, Cooper Cups said yesterday is one of
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Speaker 3: the most remarkable things he's ever seen. Learning mcday's offense
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Speaker 3: in two days enough to go down and win an
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Speaker 3: NFL game. He said, there are people in LA who's
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Speaker 3: still revere Baker Mayfield for pulling that trick off, and
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Speaker 3: so Mayfield and Darnold's career at ARCS are almost similar.
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Speaker 3: They're gonna play each other on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: It has been a wild ride here. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if I've seen it. I mean, you see,
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Speaker 1: like in those football games where you can track the
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Speaker 1: percentage chance that you have to win the game. Mayfield's
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Speaker 1: career has been like a number one overall pick one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent chance he's going to be successful, and then
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Speaker 1: at one point it was like zero percent. This guy's
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Speaker 1: done and now he's back to being considered an MVP
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Speaker 1: candidate in Tampa Bay. It's been a wild ride with
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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like some kind of an earthquake meter, right,
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Speaker 2: But you know, I think that he by his personalities,
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Speaker 2: there's a resilience. There's a maturity that he's had. I know,
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Speaker 2: Colin Coward had been a real critic of his maturity
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Speaker 2: and and Coward has had to, you know, concede that
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Speaker 2: the guy really has maturity. Is a playmaker. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he's a leader. He's feisty, and I when I watch him,
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Speaker 2: I see a quarterback who plays fast. Everything that he does,
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Speaker 2: his feeder fast, his release, he plays with that. You
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Speaker 2: can see that it's almost like he's clenching his teeth.
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Speaker 2: He makes decisions, he goes to his progressions fast. He
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Speaker 2: throws the ball hard, the ball goes fast, and I
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Speaker 2: think at this juncture of his career, you know, he's
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Speaker 2: just grooving and he's got good targets. Although obviously Mike
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Speaker 2: Evans the absence of him really helps Seattle, but a
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Speaker 2: Mecca Buca, the local kid, has really emerged.
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Speaker 1: And so I think that.
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Speaker 2: They they feel like they have a guy that they
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Speaker 2: can absolutely win a Super Bowl if obviously look at
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Speaker 2: how they're playing. But you know, in talking about the
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Speaker 2: run percentage, the while the Seahawks are second in run
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Speaker 2: percentage only to Philadelphia, the Buccaneers are dead in the middle.
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Speaker 2: They're sixteenth at forty three and a half percent run percentage.
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Speaker 2: But in terms of rush yards differential to Greg's point,
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Speaker 2: the Buccaneers are sixth. So they still want to win
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Speaker 2: with Baker Mayfield throwing the ball, but they run it
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Speaker 2: enough and they are effective enough to have those type
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Speaker 2: of numbers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Baker Mayfield, Tampa Bay Buccaneers coming into town on
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Speaker 1: Sunday to take on the Seahawks. So we got a
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Speaker 1: lot more to discuss in this very very interesting matchup.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we might even take time to talk about
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Speaker 1: the uniforms in this game. Sorry, that's a that's a
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Speaker 1: big story in and of itself. We've got Greg Bell,
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Speaker 1: We've got Hugh Millan. It's our twelfth Man Roundtable. We
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Speaker 1: do it every Thursday right here at Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 1: three point three kh A r f M.
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Speaker 2: It matters of taste, There is no dispute. Sometimes I
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Speaker 2: kind of chuckle at how people argue about what's the
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Speaker 2: best flavor of ice cream, or the best song, or
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Speaker 2: the best anything in style.
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Speaker 1: It's mit chip and if anybody thinks otherwise, they're stupid.
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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. It's just factually correct. Right, So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think they're fine. I don't know. I'm okay.
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Speaker 2: They don't seem like the toughest to but you know
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Speaker 2: enough people that I like love him, so I'm probably missing.
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Speaker 1: The boat on it. Well, it's a uniform war. It'll
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Speaker 1: be both the throwbacks for the Bucks and the Seahawks
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Speaker 1: on Sunday. All right, Well, let's talk about something that
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Speaker 1: does fascinate Hugh Millan with this matchup and our twelfth
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Speaker 1: man roundtable. What's a matchup between these two teams that
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Speaker 1: has you a little bit concerned heading into Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Well, we've talked all summer and into this season that Jalensondell,
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Speaker 2: I think, on a relative scale to other centers, is
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Speaker 2: more athletic, like he moves well. I think there's a
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Speaker 2: quickness to him. I think he's good at getting to
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Speaker 2: the second level, chasing down. I think he's quick by
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Speaker 2: NFL standards. He's fast by NFL standards for a center,
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Speaker 2: but he is from a power standpoint, I think that
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Speaker 2: he is below certainly below average to my eye, and
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Speaker 2: you see him just in times where it's just raw power, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, he just doesn't hold up. And obviously Videveya
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Speaker 2: on the opposite side of him, I think when Vida
19:08
Speaker 2: Vea watches that tape and he sees the power inefficiencies
19:13
Speaker 2: greg that we've seen from Jalen Sendel, that's a problem.
19:18
Speaker 2: I think that just the movement and it may not
19:21
Speaker 2: be that Vidavea might have, you know, might not even
19:24
Speaker 2: show up on the stat sheet, but if he is
19:27
Speaker 2: commanding double teams and guys are not able to get
19:30
Speaker 2: to the second level of the linebackers, those linebackers following
19:33
Speaker 2: a Levante David Man, he's been there forever. But those
19:36
Speaker 2: linebackers can flow make the plays. And it's because the
19:39
Speaker 2: Seahawks have to put extra attention on it. Normally, the timing,
19:43
Speaker 2: for example, might be Grey Zabel and Jalen Sendel. They're
19:47
Speaker 2: gonna block for you know, one point one seconds and
19:51
Speaker 2: then one of them is going to go on to
19:53
Speaker 2: the linebacker now and this says, no, no, no, you
19:55
Speaker 2: can't do that. You gotta go. You got a double
19:58
Speaker 2: team for two seconds. Uh at the at the with Vidavea.
20:03
Speaker 2: Now that gives the linebacker a chance to flow and
20:07
Speaker 2: and uh. And the ineffectiveness was created by the via
20:10
Speaker 2: Videvea Sundell matchup.
20:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the problem area in this game for
20:15
Speaker 3: the Seahawks. If I was Todd Bowles and the Buccaneers,
20:18
Speaker 3: I would slant Videvea off of Sundal and into right
20:22
Speaker 3: guard Anthony Bradford all game long. And that would that
20:26
Speaker 3: could disrupt the Seattle's entire offense just doing that. Hugh
20:30
Speaker 3: and I, Hugh specially talks all the time about if
20:32
Speaker 3: you get interior pressure in the past game over your
20:35
Speaker 3: garden center, your quarterbacks sunk. Most players are going to
20:37
Speaker 3: die quickly. That way, Vitavea can do that. Bradford has struggled.
20:42
Speaker 3: They don't really have an option beside Bradford. I talked
20:45
Speaker 3: to Shane Lemieux yesterday, the former started with the Giants
20:48
Speaker 3: in one year with the Saints last year. I asked
20:50
Speaker 3: him if he's ready to play just they just signed
20:52
Speaker 3: about ten days ago. In the practice s club, he
20:55
Speaker 3: said yes, because he knows John Benton and Kubiak's system
20:59
Speaker 3: from New Orleans last year year. He could be an option.
21:02
Speaker 3: Christian Haynes they obviously don't like because they've tried for
21:05
Speaker 3: two different coaching staffs in three years two years now,
21:08
Speaker 3: two different line staffs, and he hasn't played now he's
21:10
Speaker 3: still on injured reserve. The plan McDonald keeps saying is
21:14
Speaker 3: if they need a new guard or decide to go
21:16
Speaker 3: away from Bradford, it would be Sundell moving from center
21:19
Speaker 3: to guard and Oliva Timmy would be the center. That
21:23
Speaker 3: doesn't sound promising either. Against Vita Vea. They got a
21:27
Speaker 3: problem there, and whether it's double teams or not, the
21:30
Speaker 3: two guys that you might double team him with Sondell
21:34
Speaker 3: and Bradford still might not be able to block Veya.
21:38
Speaker 3: They they're gonna Hugh talked about their tendencies of not
21:42
Speaker 3: running as much outside zone as advertised. This might be
21:45
Speaker 3: the week they get a little more outside zone and
21:47
Speaker 3: get try to get outside the tackles away from theya.
21:49
Speaker 3: If they can. I'd keep talking about it. I'd run left.
21:53
Speaker 3: I don't care if it has tendencies in the whole
21:55
Speaker 3: league knows that their two best players are on the
21:58
Speaker 3: left side of the offensive line and Charles Cropp in
22:00
Speaker 3: Gray's abel, that's their best chance to gain yards away
22:04
Speaker 3: from where vitave I might be just dominating inside the
22:07
Speaker 3: game Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's not just have v tove A nightmares going
22:11
Speaker 1: into Sunday. Let's talk about something where we might have
22:15
Speaker 1: an advantage. You do you have a spot on the
22:17
Speaker 1: field where you feel like the Seahawks can take advantage
22:20
Speaker 1: of something against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
22:23
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that they have a great pass rush. Now,
22:29
Speaker 2: you know, we'll see in a tradition in a traditional sense,
22:33
Speaker 2: I mean, Hassan Reddick on paper would be their best
22:36
Speaker 2: their left hand going against Abe Lucas. But I think
22:39
Speaker 2: that Seattle has been ever since that first game of
22:42
Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers, Seattle has been reluctant to put
22:47
Speaker 2: Abe Lucas into one on one situations, and so there's
22:51
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of chipping going on to help him.
22:54
Speaker 2: So I think that I think there may be opportunities
22:56
Speaker 2: for Sam Donald to get back there. And you know,
23:00
Speaker 2: now the absence of vedavea push in the middle of
23:02
Speaker 2: the pocket, as we've discussed. But but but I do
23:06
Speaker 2: think that the strength of the Tampa Bay defense is
23:10
Speaker 2: their secondary and uh, you know, I think I think.
23:13
Speaker 3: They're pretty good across board.
23:15
Speaker 1: They're particularly good in the back end.
23:17
Speaker 2: Anton Woodfield Junior is a safety, you know, a lot
23:19
Speaker 2: of experience and a hell of a playmaker. So you're
23:22
Speaker 2: gonna have to, uh to contend with him.
23:25
Speaker 1: Greg where's your uh, where's your focal point?
23:30
Speaker 3: I keep waiting for it. You've asked me a couple
23:32
Speaker 3: of times. This could be a week that Elijah Royal
23:35
Speaker 3: steps up and has a big receiving game. The Buccaneers.
23:39
Speaker 3: Here's right and strength of their defenses in the back.
23:42
Speaker 3: Todd Bowles is renowned for coverage, disguises and attacking. McDonald
23:47
Speaker 3: thinks a lot like Bolve does and how they play
23:49
Speaker 3: defense and press and make offenses decide And if you're
23:53
Speaker 3: gonna take there, they're gonna rack a coverage and have
23:56
Speaker 3: a lot of attention on Smith and Jigba Cooper Cupp
23:59
Speaker 3: in the slot will be focus of them on third down.
24:01
Speaker 3: Of course, he has been that way for a decade.
24:04
Speaker 3: That would give an opportunity for you would think for
24:06
Speaker 3: Elijah Royal. And there are schemes that they have not
24:11
Speaker 3: even shown that I saw every day in the summer
24:13
Speaker 3: with Elijah Royal out as an X receiver, out as
24:16
Speaker 3: a slot put in motion. He's bainly been an in
24:19
Speaker 3: line tight end in passing situation so far, and you
24:23
Speaker 3: haven't thrown to him a lot. I think the number
24:26
Speaker 3: was something like seven receptions for their tight ends combined
24:28
Speaker 3: and hanging into the Arizona game. Then aj Barner gets
24:31
Speaker 3: a touchdown against the Cardinals. But Arroyo is going to
24:35
Speaker 3: break out one of these times because there's a large
24:37
Speaker 3: portion of the playbook devoted to him. The rookie second
24:39
Speaker 3: round pick that they haven't used yet, and a team
24:42
Speaker 3: that's going to be strong in the coverage and probably
24:44
Speaker 3: spend time on the wide receivers, could be an opportunity
24:47
Speaker 3: for him down in the middle of the field, away
24:49
Speaker 3: from the winfields and the good cover guys.
24:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to that point, Greg for first of all,
24:56
Speaker 2: the Buccaneers of defense percent of plays with a deep
25:00
Speaker 2: dB at defensive back rushing the passer twenty three percent.
25:05
Speaker 2: That's number one in the NFL. Obviously related statistic to
25:09
Speaker 2: that percentage of plays with seven or more rushers, the
25:13
Speaker 2: Buccaneer defense is second in the NFL now, the standard
25:17
Speaker 2: pressures is defined as five or more rushers, So five
25:21
Speaker 2: plus rushers, the Buccaneers are fifth. So and by the way,
25:27
Speaker 2: the Seahawks five or more, you know, they're just thirty first.
25:31
Speaker 2: So there's gonna be quite a discrepancy in terms of
25:34
Speaker 2: the blitz philosophy in this game. But when you're playing
25:39
Speaker 2: those man to man defenses, the effectiveness has not always
25:47
Speaker 2: been there for the Buccaneers. The percentage of we just
25:50
Speaker 2: talked about the frequency where the Buccaneers are fifth and
25:54
Speaker 2: the Seahawks are thirty first with five or more rushers,
25:58
Speaker 2: but the Buccaneers with with a negative EPA the percentage
26:02
Speaker 2: of plays when you rush five or more and the
26:05
Speaker 2: offense has a negative EPA, that's expected points average, right,
26:09
Speaker 2: It's basically a cybermetrics way of defining the success of it.
26:15
Speaker 2: The Buccaneers, well, their frequency is fifth, their efficiency is
26:19
Speaker 2: just twenty third is measured by that. The Seahawks are
26:22
Speaker 2: the exact inverse their frequency. They're thirty first, as I mentioned,
26:27
Speaker 2: but their effectiveness is second. In the NFL, they're sixty
26:32
Speaker 2: eight percent of the time when they rush five or
26:35
Speaker 2: more the offense has a negative EPA. That's double what
26:41
Speaker 2: the Buccaneers have. And then another point on this with
26:45
Speaker 2: the Buccaneers, in terms of opponent yards after the catch
26:51
Speaker 2: per reception, their second actually third to the worst. So
26:55
Speaker 2: they've had some tackling problems. There's some opportunity for some
26:59
Speaker 2: run after the so maybe this is a canine getting
27:02
Speaker 2: an opportunity and in those blitzes. Circling back to Eliza Royal,
27:07
Speaker 2: I think Eliza Royo's strength is his speed down the field.
27:12
Speaker 2: I don't like some of the routes that he runs
27:14
Speaker 2: inside of five or six yards. I think he chatters
27:17
Speaker 2: his feet too much, his shoulders come up, and he
27:19
Speaker 2: doesn't utilize his athleticism. But when he can get going
27:23
Speaker 2: and he has beautiful fluid change of direction, he can accelerate.
27:28
Speaker 2: He in some ways he looks like a wide receiver
27:32
Speaker 2: in terms of his movement, but he's all a six'
27:34
Speaker 2: five when you get next to, him all a six y,
27:37
Speaker 2: five a good two point. Fifty he's a large. Man
27:40
Speaker 2: let's see if some of that that plays out when
27:43
Speaker 2: they when they blitz to the degree that they, are.
27:46
Speaker 1: You're gonna get some one on one.
27:48
Speaker 2: Situations there may be a linebacker safety who just cannot
27:51
Speaker 2: keep up With Eliza royal.
27:52
Speaker 3: For all the blitzing bulls. Does they only have one
27:55
Speaker 3: interception and only ten sacks and four. Games to huge,
27:58
Speaker 3: point they're not being very fish and are effective with.
28:01
Speaker 3: It that spells opportunities for receivers down the.
28:04
Speaker 2: Field but they are number one in tackles for. Loss
28:08
Speaker 2: so sometimes you, know run, blitzes you, know pass blitzes
28:11
Speaker 2: are when you overload one. Side as a general, rule
28:15
Speaker 2: this Is i'm. Generalizing run blitzeres are when you when
28:19
Speaker 2: you blitz and you fill all the gaps and so
28:21
Speaker 2: so they've been more effective To greg's, point they've been
28:24
Speaker 2: more effective in creating havoc in the running. Game again
28:29
Speaker 2: number one in tackles for, loss but not creating the
28:33
Speaker 2: type of quote unquote havoc plays in the passing game
28:36
Speaker 2: that they would LIKE rqiv.
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Speaker 1: of our twelve man round. Table seahawks hosting The. Buccaneers
29:23
Speaker 1: they're keeping the same start. Time it's not gonna interfere
29:26
Speaker 1: With Mariner's Playoff. Baseball they've shoved that to A sunday,
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Speaker 1: night and so one o'clock start in this. Game, bokay
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Speaker 1: why don't you get a started on keys and a prediction?
29:37
Speaker 1: Here Seahawks. Buccaneers that's pretty obvious where the key.
29:40
Speaker 4: IS i, mean if The seahawks want to, win you'd
29:43
Speaker 4: better control that guy Named. BUCKY i, mean you go
29:46
Speaker 4: against A bucky things is.
29:48
Speaker 1: Dangerous, well since he's not gonna plays, well that's a good.
29:52
Speaker 4: Sign that's a good SIGN i wouldn't. Be, YEAH i
29:55
Speaker 4: MEAN i, think, HONESTLY i think. It to, me it
29:58
Speaker 4: kind of goes something THAT i was Hearing hu And
30:00
Speaker 4: greg talk about was videvea that he. Plays he's a,
30:04
Speaker 4: disruptor and he plays against the spot that is probably
30:07
Speaker 4: the weakest spot on something that's still the jury's out
30:10
Speaker 4: on whether or not it's vastly. IMPROVED i have a
30:14
Speaker 4: feeling he's gonna be pushing the pocket back a little,
30:16
Speaker 4: bit and therefore you got to hope That Sam donald's
30:19
Speaker 4: making plays or That kubiak's getting him on the move
30:22
Speaker 4: away from where that pressure is coming right back up the,
30:25
Speaker 4: middle and that he is not turning the ball. OVER
30:27
Speaker 4: i kind of feel like this is a game that
30:30
Speaker 4: could go really could go either. Way But i'm gonna
30:34
Speaker 4: go ahead and keep riding The. SEAHAWKS i Think Sam
30:36
Speaker 4: donald is. CONTROLLED i think he understands how to run
30:38
Speaker 4: this whole, thing and So i'm, going, uh twenty one
30:41
Speaker 4: to Nineteen.
30:42
Speaker 1: Seahawks twenty, one Nineteen seahawks over The. Buccaneers, greg what
30:46
Speaker 1: do you?
30:46
Speaker 3: Got, yeah The Bucky irving factor is a big. One
30:51
Speaker 3: if a one dimensional offense Against mike, McDonald he usually
30:55
Speaker 3: handles From baltimore and then his short time so far In.
30:57
Speaker 3: Seattle if they can Make Baker mayfield have to throw
31:02
Speaker 3: to win and throw, constantly The seahawks are gonna. Win
31:06
Speaker 3: they're gonna take Out abuka Without Mike evans in there.
31:09
Speaker 3: A buka is really their top thread to game plan,
31:12
Speaker 3: against and McDonald will have a probably bracket scheme for
31:15
Speaker 3: two on. Him but For Kate aughton From tomwater to
31:19
Speaker 3: have a big game at the tight end, position he's
31:23
Speaker 3: clutched for them third down receiver. Inside If abuka gets the,
31:28
Speaker 3: COVERAGE i expect him. To Kate aughton could have a
31:30
Speaker 3: good game in his. Homecoming BUT i think one dimensional
31:34
Speaker 3: offense is Against mike McDonald's a bad recipe for some
31:37
Speaker 3: team kind of come in and beat this. Defense And
31:40
Speaker 3: bucky's right hughes Right Vita vea has a chance to
31:43
Speaker 3: disrupt the. Game fortunately for The, seahawks Getting donald away
31:47
Speaker 3: from him outside Is donald's best. Attribute that's what they
31:50
Speaker 3: want to do with him. ANYWAY i think that'll be a.
31:53
Speaker 3: Key they're going to be tough sledding running against this
31:55
Speaker 3: defense in veya up. FRONT i think another, game we're gonna,
31:58
Speaker 3: say where's the run? GAME i, Say Sam donald Beats
32:02
Speaker 3: Baker mayfield in the fourth quarter and they win something
32:05
Speaker 3: like twenty to sixteen for their fourth straight.
32:06
Speaker 1: WIN i love. That it was. Funny And Baker mayfield's
32:10
Speaker 1: press conference earlier this, week he was asked About Sam
32:13
Speaker 1: donald and he, said, yeah he's a great. Guy we
32:15
Speaker 1: were really good buddies when we were In carolina. Together
32:17
Speaker 1: and they, go do you have any great memories from
32:19
Speaker 1: that time In carolina with, him.
32:21
Speaker 3: From the good old days of The Carolina? Panthers?
32:24
Speaker 1: Did he ask, him, Yeah And baker, goes, nope, nope negative.
32:28
Speaker 3: Ghost well he, first he, said, first he, said what
32:32
Speaker 3: kind of days is? There weren't any good old?
32:34
Speaker 1: Days all, right you close this. Out what are your
32:38
Speaker 1: final thoughts on this roundtable as we prepare for The?
32:42
Speaker 2: Bucks, well you had asked about matchups and you, know
32:47
Speaker 2: you're just getting, started and a couple of things we haven't.
32:51
Speaker 2: DISCUSSED i, think you, Know Tarik, WOOLLAN i don't know
32:54
Speaker 2: where he is on his. CAREER i feel like on
32:56
Speaker 2: some level he's he's kind of balancing on the blade
32:59
Speaker 2: of a. KNIFE i think he's got to pick it.
33:01
Speaker 2: UP i think that the matchup there had to Been Mike,
33:04
Speaker 2: evans who's you, know you, know a Borderline hall Of
33:07
Speaker 2: fame type. Guy he's, out but The buccaneers Get Chris.
33:12
Speaker 2: GODWIN i think that that's probably better For Tampa. Bay
33:18
Speaker 2: when you're talking About Rieke, WOOLLEN i think he would
33:21
Speaker 2: have been better matched against the Taller Mike. Evans but some,
33:25
Speaker 2: matchups MATCHUPS i like For. Seattle the right tackle for
33:30
Speaker 2: The buccaneers is a guy Named Charlie. Heck fourth. Rounder
33:33
Speaker 2: he's in his sixth. Year his first, year HIS pff
33:41
Speaker 2: grade was at fifty eight and a half and sixty
33:44
Speaker 2: is basically. Middle every single, year AND i mean every
33:49
Speaker 2: year including this, year there has been a drop and
33:52
Speaker 2: now his a drop from the prior. Year now he's
33:58
Speaker 2: at thirty seven his, grade which is seventy first out
34:02
Speaker 2: of seventy three. Tackles on the other, Side Tristan wurfs
34:05
Speaker 2: has been one of the better tackles in. Football he
34:09
Speaker 2: is also in his sixth. Year he was a thirteenth overall.
34:12
Speaker 2: Pick every year prior to this year his grade has
34:16
Speaker 2: been above. Eighty he's always been in the top ten
34:20
Speaker 2: of all tackles in every single. Year but he had
34:24
Speaker 2: knee surgery this summer and he started off on the
34:29
Speaker 2: pup list and his grade of a sixty four is
34:35
Speaker 2: some twenty points below his. Average SO i think that
34:38
Speaker 2: when you consider that the tackles on each, SIDE i
34:41
Speaker 2: think there's going to be some opportunity For seattle's edge
34:44
Speaker 2: guys to make some plays against.
34:46
Speaker 1: Them all, right what.
34:46
Speaker 3: Are you talking About Riek. Wilands, yeah they kind of
34:49
Speaker 3: did him. DIRTY i, MEAN i know part of the
34:51
Speaker 3: GM's job in the front office job is to generate
34:53
Speaker 3: trade interest in someone they may want to get rid.
34:55
Speaker 3: Of but that's someone they, raised, drafted put it as a,
34:58
Speaker 3: starter made A Pro, bowl and then they leak out
35:00
Speaker 3: that they want to get him traded and try to
35:02
Speaker 3: generate trade. INTEREST i saw him in the locker room
35:06
Speaker 3: yesterday and he was just kind of shaking his. Head,
35:08
Speaker 3: man that's the dirty pool of the underworkings business in THE.
35:13
Speaker 1: Nfl play, better, well you, KNOW i get. IT i with,
35:16
Speaker 1: you but, man he's just got to play better going
35:19
Speaker 1: into this. Week all, right, gentlemen awesome job by both of.
35:23
Speaker 1: You we appreciate, it and we will talk to you
35:26
Speaker 1: both at some point tomorrow as. Well rock and. Roll all,
35:29
Speaker 1: Right Greg bell joining us right here for our Twelfth man.
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