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Monday Mini: Problematic Responses · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
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  Speaker 1: Never told your prediction of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to me trying to make you feel sad
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  Speaker 2: again because apparently that's what the role I'm on with
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  Speaker 2: the pot with my episodes here. But yeah, go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and give this content warning for this lovely Monday mini.
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  Speaker 2: Also date this today is April twenty eighth, twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: This is a current affairs thing, so things change swiftly,
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  Speaker 2: especially when we know when it comes to media and
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  Speaker 2: cancel culture. And I'm not saying this is a bad
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  Speaker 2: cancel culture thing. I'm just saying that that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: along the lines as well as we are talking about
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  Speaker 2: sexual assault, rape, mental health ablesm and suicidal ideation. So
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  Speaker 2: let's get into it. Well, I was really really excited
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  Speaker 2: Annie about the new Netflix series Beef because I am
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  Speaker 2: so excited to see more and more Asian representation that
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  Speaker 2: is something that I love. And the fact that Stephen
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  Speaker 2: Yam is actually Korean, I'm like, yes, let's go. And
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  Speaker 2: he's seen as like good looking sexy dude, which has
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  Speaker 2: been such a rare thing honestly up until recently. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you K pop kids to truly understand, like the appreciation
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  Speaker 2: and the talent of different people and diversity in itself.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, for so long, when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 2: I did not have so many influences. So seeing this
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  Speaker 2: is lovely. And with all the amazing reviews, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a twenty four which I've done stellar, stellar shows
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  Speaker 2: and movies. I was really rooting for this. I was
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  Speaker 2: really excited to get into it. My partner and I
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  Speaker 2: were planning on watching this gay. Unfortunately, this has been
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  Speaker 2: marred by the ugliness and denial of a problematic actor
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  Speaker 2: slash artist. I guess is it now? Happy Asian American
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  Speaker 2: Heritage Month. Let's go into the dark stay first. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes out, it's May first.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is how I'm gonna start it. Okay, Right, So,
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  Speaker 2: David Cho, if you have not heard, is in the
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  Speaker 2: show playing a jerk artist apparently who often goes to
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  Speaker 2: jail all the good stuff. He has been a topic
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  Speaker 2: of conversation, and he's been a topic of conversation probably
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  Speaker 2: for the last seven to eight years. Every time he
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  Speaker 2: has a project, it comes back up, and honestly, I
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  Speaker 2: don't hate that. So if you don't know David Joe's
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  Speaker 2: old podcast episode has resurfaced where he talks about raping
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  Speaker 2: a black woman and described how the prospect of going
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  Speaker 2: to jail turns them on for this and the episode
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  Speaker 2: first put him in hot water when it was released
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  Speaker 2: around twenty fourteen, and then it came back again in
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  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. But he also says some other things that
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  Speaker 2: make me think he didn't learn his lesson. But here's
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  Speaker 2: his statement after the initial backlash. He said, I never
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  Speaker 2: thought I'd wake up one late afternoon and hear myself
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  Speaker 2: called a rapist after joking about loving to rape somebody.
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  Speaker 2: That's a surprise to him. Surprise. It sucks, especially because
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  Speaker 2: I'm not one. I'm not a rapist. I hate rapist.
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  Speaker 2: I think rapists should be raped and murdered, he said
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  Speaker 2: at the time. Yes, I am an artist, a storyteller,
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  Speaker 2: and I view my show Dvdasa does the initials for
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  Speaker 2: his show as a complete extension of my art. If
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  Speaker 2: I am guilty of anything, it's bad storytelling in the
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  Speaker 2: style of Douche. Just like many of my paintings are
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  Speaker 2: often misinterpreted, the same goes with my show. The main
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  Speaker 2: objective of all my podcasts is to challenge and provoke
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  Speaker 2: my friends and the co stars on the show, we
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  Speaker 2: with each other, entertain ourselves and laugh at each other.
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  Speaker 2: It's dark, tasteless, completely irreverent show where we with everyone listening,
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  Speaker 2: but mostly ourselves, we create stories and tell tells. It's
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  Speaker 2: not a news show. It's not a representation of my reality.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the place to come for reliable information about
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  Speaker 2: me or my life. It's my version of reality. It's
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  Speaker 2: art that sometimes offends people. I'm sorry if anyone believed
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  Speaker 2: that the stories were facts. They were not. I'm in
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  Speaker 2: a world full of horrible people. Thank God for us.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Can we talk about how that response is. I'm sorry
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  Speaker 2: you took it this way when I said I like
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  Speaker 2: raping people, Yeah, especially black women.
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  Speaker 3: Right right, that's that's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Not only did I say this on Mike as myself,
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  Speaker 2: my co host, who apparently is in the porn industry,
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  Speaker 2: kept saying, oh, so you are a rapist. What you're
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  Speaker 2: saying to me, to us is that you rape people.
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  Speaker 2: You are a rapist. She actually said that out loud
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  Speaker 2: to him and he was like, yeah, I mean no,
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  Speaker 2: well I'm not I'm just saying And that was a
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  Speaker 2: whole punch line, and when the recording came up again
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  Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, he said this, I have zero history
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  Speaker 2: of sexual assault. I am deeply sorry for any hurt
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  Speaker 2: I've brought to anyone through my past words. So at
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  Speaker 2: the very least he does a little better. But you
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  Speaker 2: could probably tell someone did that for him, because he
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  Speaker 2: and they were like, whatever you did the last time
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  Speaker 2: was real bad, real bad. Please don't do this right again.
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  Speaker 2: So many problems, the excuses, the candied gaslighting, and just
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  Speaker 2: for information, because we'll come back to why. This isn't
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  Speaker 2: the only time on the podcast he made offensive statements.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, star of the show Beef Steven Jung was
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  Speaker 2: on the podcast with him. I want to say it
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  Speaker 2: was like two twenty sixteen. It was soon after the
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  Speaker 2: Walking Dead days when Choe made another reference to wanting
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  Speaker 2: to watch his girlfriend being raped. He literally said, took
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  Speaker 2: a scene from the show where they were assuming like Glenn,
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  Speaker 2: the character Glenn and his girlfriend had been separated, and
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  Speaker 2: he thought that she was being raped, and he said, dude,
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  Speaker 2: that's my fantasy. And Yung and the other co hosts
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  Speaker 2: are laughing and joking with Choe continue to joke for
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  Speaker 2: the next few minutes about this horrible fantasy, and no
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  Speaker 2: one really corrected him. Personally, not a huge fan of
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  Speaker 2: people encouraging rape jokes, but you know. And when asked
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  Speaker 2: about this the Stars and Director's response about Choe, they
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  Speaker 2: issued the statement, the story David Choe fabricated nine years
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  Speaker 2: ago is undeniably hurtful and extremely disturbing. We do not
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  Speaker 2: condone this story in any way, and we understand why
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  Speaker 2: this has been so upsetting and triggering, they said. We're
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  Speaker 2: aware David has apologized in the past for making up
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  Speaker 2: this horrific story, and we've seen him put in the
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  Speaker 2: work to get the mental health support he needed over
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  Speaker 2: the last decade to better himself and learn from his mistakes.
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  Speaker 2: So there's so many wrong things in this. I cannot
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  Speaker 2: say I'm not disappointed, because I am severely disappointed. And
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  Speaker 2: this doesn't mean we're saying people can't learn from things.
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  Speaker 2: I think people can fundamentally change. I definitely have changed,
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  Speaker 2: but using addiction and mental health as an excuse is
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  Speaker 2: never a way to go. This is to me such
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  Speaker 2: an ablest cop out that we know plenty of people
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  Speaker 2: who go through these things that do not think rape
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  Speaker 2: jokes are funny. I have worked with people in this industry.
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  Speaker 2: Never have I ever heard them think that this was funny.
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  Speaker 2: People who struggle with things aren't likely going to make
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  Speaker 2: this comments on a recording, I would hope. Well, I
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  Speaker 2: mean people who would intentionally do it do it and
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  Speaker 2: never apologize for it. That's what I've heard. And his
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  Speaker 2: new response of threatening to sue people for the words,
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't look good. Oh and by the way, that
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  Speaker 2: episode where I was talking about with young and that
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  Speaker 2: is gone, like it's just not available because I tried it,
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  Speaker 2: because I was like, it hasn't been mentioned as much
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  Speaker 2: obviously as the other thing. And I was like, but
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  Speaker 2: this was years after he'd already apologized the first time,
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  Speaker 2: and he did it again. I don't understand why we
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  Speaker 2: think that he's learned. I know he was recently on
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  Speaker 2: the Joe Rogan Show, so I feel like that says
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  Speaker 2: a lot about him as well. I'm having a problem
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  Speaker 2: with the fact as an Asian person, as a Korean
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  Speaker 2: Asian American, who have seen so much disgusting things happening,
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  Speaker 2: especially when it comes to anti blackness within the Asian community.
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  Speaker 2: There's so much pain and so much Bessige Noir in
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  Speaker 2: this conversation, that is being completely ignored and bypassed and
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  Speaker 2: excused and excused by people who should know better, who
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  Speaker 2: say they know better. And that's where it's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: When I see things like David Choe, when I see
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  Speaker 2: people like Bobby Lee who are still successful and sitting
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  Speaker 2: here thinking that talking about raping women, especially raping women
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  Speaker 2: or children as Bobby Lee did, There's so much, so
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  Speaker 2: much disturbing stuff that I don't understand why we think that,
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  Speaker 2: why celebrities think that they are okay, that they should
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  Speaker 2: be okay with an excuse it and not have any accountability.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, David jo did lose a lot
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  Speaker 2: for a minute. This is where we talk about cancel
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  Speaker 2: culture really doesn't exist very rich and powerful for a minute.
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  Speaker 3: He did.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently, there was talk he said that he went through
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  Speaker 2: suicidal state. He had, he did go to rehab. Still
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out that part, which I feel like
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  Speaker 2: is a cop out. I don't know. Maybe for celebrities,
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  Speaker 2: I know people need need this, but we have seen
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  Speaker 2: many people who have done really really harmful things and
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh my bad, I'm not I'm not responsible.
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  Speaker 2: I was not in my right state of mind, instead
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  Speaker 2: of taking responsibility for it, as well as coming back
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  Speaker 2: with the same personality in which instead of owning it.
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  Speaker 2: I think he literally said into another interview, I've said
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  Speaker 2: what I've said. The haters are gonna hate.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so tired of that. Mm hmmm. And I will
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  Speaker 2: say there's been a big conversation of his own past.
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  Speaker 2: He had gone through some severe, severe abuse as a kid.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that does not affect somebody. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying that that's not a factor in some things.
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  Speaker 2: But I've been abused pretty severely. You who have been
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  Speaker 2: gone through some things pretty severely. I've worked with children
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  Speaker 2: going through these things. Rape jokes has never been a
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  Speaker 2: thing for these people. Typically, the people who bake the
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  Speaker 2: rape jokes are the ones who act out on it
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  Speaker 2: or want to act out on it. I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very disappointed to see this outcome. I'm very disappointed
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  Speaker 2: to see that people I root for to be successful
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  Speaker 2: would take that route.
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  Speaker 3: It is disappointing.
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  Speaker 1: I read a lot of articles about about this because
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  Speaker 1: they were saying like it kind of you know, Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: has such a short memory span like it's because it
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  Speaker 1: has happened like a couple of times now, and that conversation,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, happens again and again every time. It
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  Speaker 1: also kind of reminds me of what we've talked about
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  Speaker 1: before with sort of the especially male genius who were
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  Speaker 1: apparently as a society like, well, sure he hurt people,
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  Speaker 1: but hey, he's a genius, so we excuse it.
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  Speaker 3: He's an artist, right, exactly exactly, But no, it's not
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  Speaker 3: funny at all. It's terrible an upsetting.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you can't find it. I really do, because
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  Speaker 2: it is, and it's the very reason while I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: read his exact words, because it has posted many many
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  Speaker 2: different places. It's disturbing. I don't like. None of this
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  Speaker 2: makes as a sarcastic, self deprecating person. Who that is
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  Speaker 2: my sense of humor. M It doesn't make sense. Where's
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  Speaker 2: the joke other than making everybody uncomfortable?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to hope, you know, something will come
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  Speaker 1: of this, but already several times nothing has. But I
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  Speaker 1: will say a lot of the articles I read were like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, we're really gonna have to we have
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  Speaker 1: to stop just excusing this at like three years past,
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  Speaker 1: and then we're.
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  Speaker 2: Like, okay, I will say Beef has some of the
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  Speaker 2: highest ratings it did it.
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  Speaker 1: Did I actually And this could be I want to
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  Speaker 1: I want to caveat this because this could be just
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  Speaker 1: a me reading headlines thing. I saw a lot of
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  Speaker 1: headlines that were like because I didn't know about this,
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  Speaker 1: To be honest, I saw a lot of headlines that
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  Speaker 1: made it sound like, uh, it said stuff like this
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  Speaker 1: is Hollywood nepotism at its worst, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: so he's related to somebody.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not even sure.
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  Speaker 1: If they're like a lot of the write ups on
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  Speaker 1: it are doing it, doing it justice and how we
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  Speaker 1: should be.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking about it, I don't know about it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that maybe it is. Well, I think
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  Speaker 2: what they mean.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it means it could so body could
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  Speaker 1: write it and let me know. But I think now
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  Speaker 1: that I know the story, I think what it means
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  Speaker 1: is essentially, he had an inn. He has Hollywood friends, right,
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  Speaker 1: and they were like, oh, we can't let him be canceled.
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  Speaker 2: He was featured by uh Anthony Bourdain.
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  Speaker 1: Hmmm, h yeah, yeah, it is disappointing and it is upsetting.
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  Speaker 3: But here we are again, Here we are again.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know there again. I mean I guess there's
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  Speaker 2: also the biggest question is what would we like to
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  Speaker 2: see when I say all these things, What is the
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  Speaker 2: change that I would have liked to see in him?
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  Speaker 2: That's a great question. Maybe maybe he really has and
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  Speaker 2: those awful, awful apologies that he did has changed. But
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  Speaker 2: because his response is just to take everything down, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. That doesn't seem like a self reflection.
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  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like somebody try to protect himself exactly things exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, happy Monday. I suppose may first, happy May happy?
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  Speaker 3: May well be may.
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  Speaker 2: You go?
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  Speaker 3: That's better? Yeah, that's better than what I try to do.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry for all the trauma, love y'all.
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