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Killers Amongst Us: Jodi Arias Stabs Naked Lover Dead In Shower (episode 4) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. You think you
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Speaker 1: found the one you really got to catch, even though
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Speaker 1: all your friends are saying no, no, no, he slash,
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Speaker 1: she is poison, get away, but they just don't understand.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Killers amongst Us. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Take a listen to this. What's going on? Um?
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Speaker 1: Our friend of ours is said in his bedroom. We
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Speaker 1: hadn't heard something for a while. State they bought some blood.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know when that. I can give you the
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Speaker 1: song to someone who went in there. Yes, please, Hi,
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Speaker 1: So what's going on? He's dead? He's in his bedroom, Okay,
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Speaker 1: in the shower. Okay, how did this happen? Do you
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Speaker 1: have any idea? Well, we have no idea. Everyone's been
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Speaker 1: wondering about him for She says that there's blood, So
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Speaker 1: is it coming from his head? Did he It's all
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Speaker 1: over the place? Hold on just a moment. Okay, you're
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Speaker 1: a good friend of Travis's. Fresh I am okay, PSSI
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Speaker 1: had been depressed at all, thinking about meaning suicide, anything
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Speaker 1: like that. I don't think he's been in tua. He's
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Speaker 1: been really depressed because he broke up with this girl
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Speaker 1: and he was upset about that. But I don't think
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Speaker 1: he would actually kill himself over that. And has he
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Speaker 1: been threatened by anyone recently? He has? He hasn't. He
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Speaker 1: has an ex girlfriend that's been bothering him and following
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Speaker 1: him in, flashing tires and things like that. And do
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Speaker 1: you know the ex girlfriend says her name is Jody,
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Speaker 1: but no one had reported her behavior to police. As
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Speaker 1: the rest of that nine only call goes, you are
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Speaker 1: hearing the nine one one call when friends find Travis
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Speaker 1: Alexander not only stabbed multiple times but shot dead in
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Speaker 1: his shower stall. Listen to this. The roommate, when was
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Speaker 1: the last time he saw Travis? Was it three days ago? Um? That?
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Speaker 1: Do you guys who were walking Weselves back like I'm Travis.
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Speaker 1: I want to know what some room last time I
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Speaker 1: saw him was? What part of the last time I
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Speaker 1: remember seeing him? The last Thursday one was en Mimi
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Speaker 1: fa him last Tuesday on our last Monday. She talked
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Speaker 1: to him last Monday. Okay, and everyone is out of
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Speaker 1: the house. There's no one else in the house. No,
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Speaker 1: no one's in the house. And what is your name?
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Speaker 1: My name is Michelle. Um, I need to ask a friend.
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Speaker 1: I'm being here, I'm getting fun to me. Okay, Um, Hi,
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Speaker 1: hi friend, business party Okay, And this is okay. The
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Speaker 1: tub is in him his bedroom. Yeah, yes, this is
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Speaker 1: the bathroom off Travis Alexander's bedroom, though phone has now
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Speaker 1: been handed off to another friend named Ami Looten. Um.
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Speaker 1: I didn't go in, but from what I heard, his
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Speaker 1: droommate wan in there, fled in his bedroom behind the door. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And and then he said it's all over. And then
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Speaker 1: they went in the bathroom and heath in his shower.
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Speaker 1: Oh and you know his Um, his bedroom is where
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Speaker 1: in the house. It's upstairs. Um. And if you go
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Speaker 1: up the stairs, it's on the left. It's the first
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Speaker 1: door on your left. It's the only door on your left. Okay.
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Speaker 1: And um and it's just a big master, sweet bedroom
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Speaker 1: on the day. And um, she's talking to his friend
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Speaker 1: right now. And there's a girl that spends stocking him. Um.
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Speaker 1: And and she's trying and he's trying to h might
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Speaker 1: know some information. I hope my phone doesn't die, am
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Speaker 1: on like one bar of satary. Okay, Well, I'm just
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Speaker 1: gonna keep you on the phone until officers are right there.
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Speaker 1: Officers are premedics arrival. Okay, okay, I think I can
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Speaker 1: here listening, you're hearing a very disjointed but shocking nine
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Speaker 1: one one call. Joining me right now. Alexis Terza Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot com, investigative reporter, am with Lead Stories dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet, star of Poisonous Liaisons on the
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Speaker 1: True Crime Network. We're now New York psychologist Karen Stark
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Speaker 1: at Karen Stark dot com, legal commentator, cast member Radical
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Speaker 1: Body Transformation Season three, Amazon Prime, and author I've trapped
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Speaker 1: with miss Arius kirk Nurmi at Kirknermi dot com. But
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Speaker 1: to Chris Hughes, longtime friend of Travis Alexander, inspirational speaker,
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Speaker 1: author of a number one Amazon bestseller, Our Friend Travis,
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Speaker 1: The Travis Alexander's Story, Chris uses with us, Chris, do
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Speaker 1: you remember when Travis's body was found stabbed over twenty
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Speaker 1: times and shot in the head. I do. I'll never
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Speaker 1: forget it. I was in Mexico waiting for Travis. He
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Speaker 1: was supposed to arrive the next day, and I'd been
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Speaker 1: calling him and no answer and no reply to texts
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Speaker 1: or anything, and so I actually was going to call
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Speaker 1: the police to do a check on him, and my
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Speaker 1: then wife Guy said, well, you know, they'll just check
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Speaker 1: the outside of the house. We need to have somebody
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Speaker 1: go in. And so it's just interesting how this whole
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Speaker 1: story played out. We called other friends who showed up
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Speaker 1: just after those people that we just heard, you know,
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Speaker 1: that other group of friends had showed up and found Travis.
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Speaker 1: And I was waiting for a phone call back from
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Speaker 1: the friends that we sent over, and it was the
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Speaker 1: middle of the night and I got a call from
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Speaker 1: a friend and I'll never forget what he said. He said,
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Speaker 1: Teet Dog, which is what we called him. He said,
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Speaker 1: Chris Teet Dog is dead. You know, Alexis to ruscha
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Speaker 1: crime online dot com invest to get every reporter that
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Speaker 1: Nie on one call started a series of events that
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Speaker 1: I will never forget. Alexis, you and I have covered
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Speaker 1: a lot of nime on one calls together, and I've
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Speaker 1: played a lot of NIE on one calls for juries.
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Speaker 1: But what's so interesting is the raw emotion and so
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Speaker 1: often the dead on accuracy. These witnesses that find his
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Speaker 1: body say he's had a girl stalking him. I mean, right,
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Speaker 1: then they're calling it exactly. There was no oh, maybe
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Speaker 1: somebody broke in and did this. Maybe he did this
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Speaker 1: to himself. They knew immediately who it was and they
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Speaker 1: named it. They didn't even say, oh, maybe I shouldn't
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Speaker 1: say no, priviss friend. Who were They're shaking their voices,
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Speaker 1: they're shaking with emotion. Save Jody. This woman has been
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Speaker 1: stalking him. He is very upset because she's embothering him
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Speaker 1: so much. And they said, oh, and he would not
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Speaker 1: have killed himself. This is the result of somebody else
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Speaker 1: killing him. I mean, let's get around Jose Guy Morgan,
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Speaker 1: professor forensics. Kill yourself? What stabbing yourself? What was it?
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Speaker 1: Twenty They couldn't actually tell twenty nine times. Some people
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Speaker 1: would argue back in forth twenty seven versus twenty eight
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Speaker 1: verses twenty nine because there were so many stab wounds.
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Speaker 1: They were on top of each other, so you couldn't
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Speaker 1: really tell how many times he was stabbed, plus shot
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Speaker 1: in the head and left a decomposing his own shower. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's the key. Nancy Hey listen. The reason they
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Speaker 1: couldn't actually come to a definitive number was because decomposition
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Speaker 1: was in a moderate to advanced stage and so you
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Speaker 1: couldn't fully appreciate. But what the friends saw when they
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Speaker 1: walked in was an absolute horror show because what they
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Speaker 1: could you don't need an MD in order to understand
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Speaker 1: or make a diagnosis in that moment, because there is
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Speaker 1: bloodstaining everywhere. He's crumpled up in the bottom of this bath,
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Speaker 1: in this you know, in this shower stall, and he's
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Speaker 1: literally crumpled up in there, in my opinion, because he
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Speaker 1: was deposited there. He wasn't killed in the shower. He
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Speaker 1: was killed elsewhere, and then he was placed in the
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Speaker 1: shower and he was essentially thrown away. He was essentially
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Speaker 1: left behind to Alexis tres Chuck climb online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Isn't it true the last person known to
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Speaker 1: be with Travis Alexander before he's murdered is Jody Aris.
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Speaker 1: Why was she there? They were broken up exactly. She
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Speaker 1: seems like she was there. She wanted to go on
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Speaker 1: this trip to Cancun. Travis had really just done so
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Speaker 1: well in work and he was getting this big trip
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Speaker 1: and he told her I'm not taking you, I am
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Speaker 1: taking another woman. So she comes in from out of
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Speaker 1: town to try to convince him to take her and
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Speaker 1: spend the night with him. It's like a wild night,
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Speaker 1: which was hold on, what a wild night? What do
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Speaker 1: you mean they went partying? Nope, they had wild sex.
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Speaker 1: And the reason that I know this what will happened
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Speaker 1: in someone else's bedroom, is because there were pictures of
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Speaker 1: their wild night, including she was tied up in his bed. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Kurt Nermie, you know I could go so many directions
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Speaker 1: right now. Kurt Nermie, author of Trapped with miss Arius
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Speaker 1: on Amazon. What do you do as a defense attorney
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Speaker 1: when your client with her digiKam takes photos of herself
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Speaker 1: and a sex marathon just before the lovers found dead
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Speaker 1: in the shower. How do you get around that? Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you really don't. I mean, you can't play any cards
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Speaker 1: that you haven't been dealt. And there was a reality
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Speaker 1: that was already cooked into this case from the moment
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Speaker 1: I received it. Here and start your psychologists joining up.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Karen Stark dot com Karen
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Speaker 1: with a C. Karen, Hey, I'm not knocking it. I'm
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Speaker 1: not judging it, but how exactly do you take selfies
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Speaker 1: of yourself having sex in the act I mean, and
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Speaker 1: keep them those shots on your DIGI caam of you
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Speaker 1: buck naked I mean? Or isn't anybody afraid that that
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Speaker 1: I mean would get out? You would think they would
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Speaker 1: be afraid, Nancy, But people do it quite often more
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Speaker 1: than you would expect. And think about all the people
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Speaker 1: that did get in trouble for taking selfies of body
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Speaker 1: parts and sending them to other people. So it's as
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Speaker 1: though they forget that the internet is not a safe
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Speaker 1: place to do things like that. Man, well, you know what.
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Speaker 1: This definitely places her there just before. But the reality
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Speaker 1: is Chris Hughes a longtime friend of Travis. The fact
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Speaker 1: that she was there, actually Alexis didn't. She literally crossed
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Speaker 1: the desert with gas cans in her trunk so she
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have to stop to get to Travis. Alexander did
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Speaker 1: she and she rented a car. She didn't use their
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Speaker 1: own car. She rented a car, and first they wanted
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Speaker 1: to give her a red car final car. Places always
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Speaker 1: want to give you a red car, and she said, no,
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Speaker 1: I don't want that car because red cars are too recognized,
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Speaker 1: so she had planned to be as incognitive as possible.
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Speaker 1: Then she bought a couple of gas cans at a
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Speaker 1: local walmart about an hour away from where she lived,
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Speaker 1: again to hide what she was doing. So it was
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Speaker 1: farther away from her house, and she filled those gas
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Speaker 1: cans with gas so that she would not have to
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Speaker 1: stop in the desert, so there would be no trace
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Speaker 1: of her with a credit card or even you know,
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Speaker 1: a video of her going into a gas station. So
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Speaker 1: she managed to make it all the way across the
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Speaker 1: desert his Arizona house without stopping, because she had planned
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Speaker 1: this ahead of time. Did she know before she started
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Speaker 1: her trek across the desert and her rented not red
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Speaker 1: car and her gasconds full of gas? Did she know
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Speaker 1: at that time Travis Alexander was taking another woman to Kankin. Yes,
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Speaker 1: she did, because he had promised he'd offered to take
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Speaker 1: her in the beginning of the year, and then he
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Speaker 1: told her no, he wasn't taking her. He was taking
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Speaker 1: someone else, and in fact he was seeing someone else
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Speaker 1: and some of it he really considered a girlfriend with
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Speaker 1: her potential girlfriend and knew, I mean Chris Hughes, you're
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Speaker 1: hearing Alexis Terreschuk. He really made no bones about it.
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Speaker 1: He said, we're broken up. I'm dating somebody else. I'm
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Speaker 1: taking her to King Kain, not you. He was very
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Speaker 1: clear he's not misleading her. Chris. Yeah, And so why
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Speaker 1: she showed up that night, I mean, it's just it's
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Speaker 1: I wish I knew that the really, Chris, was it
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Speaker 1: out of the ordinary. Didn't she always show up when
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Speaker 1: she wasn't supposed to? Yeah, she did. But they had
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Speaker 1: they had a terrible fight where I mean it looked
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Speaker 1: like the end. You know, they were fighting on Google
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Speaker 1: chats and going back and forth, and I think about
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Speaker 1: what they broke up, what's they're defined about. It's over. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's a really good question, and it's another one of
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Speaker 1: those mysteries. But it was the last it was the
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Speaker 1: last interaction that I know about that went back and
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Speaker 1: forth between them, and he was saying things to her like,
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Speaker 1: you hurt me worse than the passing of my own father.
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Speaker 1: You know, you're a terrible person, You're despicable, you're the
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Speaker 1: devil's daughter. I mean, he was so angry about something,
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Speaker 1: and we don't know what exactly, what that was, and
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Speaker 1: she never defended herself. It was so weird. She just
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Speaker 1: sat there and took it. And then the conversation ended.
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Speaker 1: And later she comes back online and says two things
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Speaker 1: that you're wrong about, and she said, I didn't steal
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Speaker 1: your journals and I didn't flash your tires. She didn't
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Speaker 1: defend herself against all the other things that he said
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Speaker 1: about her. And when I saw that, I just said
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Speaker 1: to myself, you know what, that's her trying to cover
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Speaker 1: up for what she's about to do. She picked the
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Speaker 1: two violent things that he said and she disputed them.
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Speaker 1: She said, you're wrong about those things, but she never
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Speaker 1: defended herself against all the other attacks. And then she
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Speaker 1: shows up in the middle of the night and does
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Speaker 1: what she does. I mean, it was just so yeah,
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Speaker 1: she did show up, and it's not odd that this
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Speaker 1: woman showed up in the middle of the night, But
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Speaker 1: you know, what was that about. So that's something the
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Speaker 1: cops have to figure out. It's not unusual for her
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Speaker 1: to show up, but would she actually kill Arius emerges
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Speaker 1: not long after. Listen to Zach Billing speaking to me
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Speaker 1: the first time I saw Jody after the murder and
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Speaker 1: after we found his body was the following Monday at
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Speaker 1: Travis's memorial service. How did she behave She seemed a
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Speaker 1: little bit differently. I mean, she came in, she's normally blonde,
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Speaker 1: came in with brown hair. She came up to me,
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Speaker 1: gave me a hug, and bad hair. It was just horrible.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what did you say about brown hair? Oh,
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Speaker 1: she she's normally a blonde haired girl, or was when
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Speaker 1: I knew her. And then that week I happened to
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Speaker 1: see her with brown hair. Um different color hair entirely
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Speaker 1: so in finding out that Travis Alexander has been brutally murdered,
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Speaker 1: she dyes her hair correct. And I asked, Zach Billings,
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Speaker 1: did she ask you about finding the body? She asked me,
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Speaker 1: just a brief of what happened, as far as my
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Speaker 1: interaction with um, as far as my interaction with anybody else.
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Speaker 1: Had had the police talk to me, and she already
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Speaker 1: knew at that point that I had seen the body,
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Speaker 1: and just asked what the process was going through, what
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Speaker 1: I was going through. In other words, I think she
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Speaker 1: was feeling him out to see what he knew. Back
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Speaker 1: to alexis terret Chut crime online dot Com Alexis, a
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Speaker 1: lot of defense attorneys would argue what happens at a
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Speaker 1: funeral is irrelevant. I disagree. What did you learn about
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Speaker 1: what happened at the funeral, Alexis, Well, Jody was talking
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Speaker 1: to all of Travis's friends. If nothing had happened, is
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Speaker 1: if none of them suspected her. And she was talking
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Speaker 1: especially to his grandmother, this grandmother who had raised him
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Speaker 1: and who loved him as her own son, and was
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Speaker 1: saying how sorry she was and just how devastating all
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Speaker 1: of it was. It's just crazy that Jody acted like
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Speaker 1: nothing happened to show up at the funeral to Chris
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Speaker 1: Hugh's longtime friend of Travis, author of Our Friend Travis
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Speaker 1: at Travis Alexander's Story. Do you remember the funeral? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there was two memorials. Well, there was a memorial in
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Speaker 1: Arizona and then there was a funeral in California. I
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Speaker 1: opted not to go to Arizona, so I didn't see
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Speaker 1: Jody arius And when it came to the funeral in California,
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Speaker 1: she was actually en route to the funeral, and I thought,
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Speaker 1: who who who does this? Woman? Like? Who does that?
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Speaker 1: And so a friend called me just out of the blue,
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Speaker 1: and he said, hey, man, I just now, you got
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Speaker 1: to keep in mind people didn't know it wasn't not
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Speaker 1: everybody knew that Jody did this. Only those of us
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Speaker 1: that were close to Travis and that knew her had had,
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Speaker 1: you know, put two and two together. But this guy
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Speaker 1: innocently calls me and he says, hey, man, I just
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Speaker 1: got off the phone with Jody and she's on her
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Speaker 1: way to the funeral. And I said to him, I said, hey, um,
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Speaker 1: she did it. She's the one who did this. And
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Speaker 1: he said, no way, And I said, yeah, I said,
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Speaker 1: you know what, why don't you call her back and
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Speaker 1: just tell her that Chris Hughes said she ought not come,
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Speaker 1: you know, don't come, And so he said he called
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Speaker 1: her back and told her. And then a few minutes
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Speaker 1: later we get word that she quote unquote had a
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Speaker 1: flat tire or had mechanical problems, and she didn't end
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Speaker 1: up showing up at the funeral, thank God. Well, of course,
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Speaker 1: in the aftermath of Travis's brutal murder, twenty nine stab
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Speaker 1: wounds and one gunshot wound to the head. Right there,
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Speaker 1: let me pause to Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott.
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Speaker 1: What does that tell you? Twenty nine stab wounds, gunshot
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Speaker 1: wound to the head. How many times over was Travis
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Speaker 1: Alexander killed multiple Nancy and she? You know, the thing
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Speaker 1: about it is is that the injuries that Travis sustained,
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Speaker 1: there's any number of them that are lethal. In this
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Speaker 1: particular case, amazingly, the gunshot was not Amazingly the gunshot
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Speaker 1: wound that he sustained, which entered right above his right eye,
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Speaker 1: and the round actually lodged in his left cheek. There
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Speaker 1: was no hemorrhage in that wound track gives us an
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Speaker 1: indication that was probably done after death. But where she
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Speaker 1: really killed him was his death. His march toward death
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Speaker 1: started in that shower. She actually nailed with the knife
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Speaker 1: his vena cava, which is a large vessel that comes
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Speaker 1: off of the heart. And when we look at the scene,
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Speaker 1: you can see that he has projectiled blood all over
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Speaker 1: the scene. He had an awareness of this, Nancy. He
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Speaker 1: tried to fight her off. He had injuries to his
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Speaker 1: hands that were consistent with Sharpboard's injuries, defensive wounds, and
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Speaker 1: of course as he crawled away, just trying to get
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Speaker 1: away Nancy, she slid his throat almost from ear to ear.
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Speaker 1: She went through not just his juglar vein, not just
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Speaker 1: his karates, but she also cut his trachea that supplies
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Speaker 1: the lungs with air. And when you see this scene,
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Speaker 1: when you see it, it is an absolute blood bath.
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Speaker 1: Nancy guys. Of course, in the aftermath of Travis's murdyr Arius,
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Speaker 1: of course is questioned because she was there that day.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what Jodi Arius tells KTVKO. He
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Speaker 1: was stand some twenty seven times and Shane went in
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Speaker 1: my cheek. I who could have done this? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Who do you think killed him? I have no idea.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that it was a random thing or
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Speaker 1: somebody that knew him? I mean, this is a guy
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Speaker 1: that you were pretty close to. This was a guy
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Speaker 1: that was close to at a time when we were
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Speaker 1: really trying to move apart from each other. So I mean,
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Speaker 1: there were certain details about his life that I never
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Speaker 1: did know about, and there are even more details that
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Speaker 1: I did not know about, as as well as details
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Speaker 1: about my life that he didn't know about because I
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Speaker 1: had moved on. I had moved to California, so we
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Speaker 1: were making a sincere effort to grow apart and to
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Speaker 1: be apart and to move on. Um. But nonetheless he
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Speaker 1: did remain a close friend of mine. UM. And I
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Speaker 1: just can't even take a listen to more of what
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Speaker 1: Jody Arius says. Absolutely not it was house nowhere near Mason,
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Speaker 1: was near no Phoenix. I wasn't even close to him. Um.
21:30
Speaker 1: Whatever is proofing with her? I wasn't there. Can you
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Speaker 1: be honest with I? Was not a Travis's house. It
21:45
Speaker 1: was not was not at Travis's house. But then that
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Speaker 1: pesky little diggie cam alexas Terrez Chuck raises its ugly
21:54
Speaker 1: head as if it were a little monster. What else
21:57
Speaker 1: was revealed on the diggi cam? And where was it?
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Speaker 1: So the camera was actually found in the washing machine
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Speaker 1: in Travis's house, which means that somebody was trying to
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Speaker 1: hide it, so it was thrown in there and washed,
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Speaker 1: but the police weren't able to take it and had
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Speaker 1: a SIM card in it, so it was like a
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Speaker 1: little tiny floppy disk if anyone remembers that, and it
22:19
Speaker 1: had all the images on there. So the police where
22:21
Speaker 1: everybody pulled us up so they see the naked pictures
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Speaker 1: of Jody tied to the bags from their wild text nights.
22:27
Speaker 1: But then they also see pictures of Travis naked in
22:31
Speaker 1: the shower, standing up alive, looking at Jody covered in water.
22:35
Speaker 1: And after that there are a couple of shots that
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Speaker 1: actually show basically the crime being committed, and that it
22:42
Speaker 1: shows her. I believe her arm is in there, and
22:46
Speaker 1: this is what the police say. Oh my gosh, we
22:47
Speaker 1: basically have photographic evidence of her committing this car kurtnermy
22:58
Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer who was appointed to represent Jodi Arius trial,
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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure how you would get around that
23:08
Speaker 1: at trial, because your client travels across the desert with
23:12
Speaker 1: a not read rental car with gas cans full of gas,
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Speaker 1: gets there, has a marathon day of sex trying to
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Speaker 1: convince Alexander to take her to Camcoon, not his new girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: It's all on digi cam. And at the end of
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Speaker 1: that series of sex photos, whoa, there's Jody Arius's leg
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Speaker 1: and a pair of her pants on a bloody crime scene. Oops.
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Speaker 1: I guess the real killer snuck in and use her
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Speaker 1: digi cam. All right, Nancy. Remember, by the time I
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Speaker 1: got the matters were worse because after Detective Flores confronted
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Speaker 1: her with these pictures proof she was there. She comes
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Speaker 1: up with this story about two mask intruders coming into
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Speaker 1: the bathroom killing Travis and threatening to kill her if
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Speaker 1: she just said anything, and then the masked intruders. You're
24:05
Speaker 1: absolutely correct. How could I forget the mask intruders and
24:10
Speaker 1: they weren't just masked? Take a listen to this. I've
24:14
Speaker 1: turned around. The two people there when a guy and
24:19
Speaker 1: one was a girl. I couldn't tell it at first,
24:23
Speaker 1: but I could just see one was a girl, and
24:25
Speaker 1: I assume that there was a guy because their build
24:28
Speaker 1: and then their voices. Remember if you were wearing maybe jeans.
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Speaker 1: What did they say? One was in all black, one
24:36
Speaker 1: was in the jeans. I don't say anything. What words
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Speaker 1: did you hear? Phrases? Who is that? Who is that?
24:47
Speaker 1: I thought he was by himself or allowed or something.
24:53
Speaker 1: He was like shut up, just finish it. And Truds
24:58
Speaker 1: was screaming the whole time. He wasn't screaming like a girl.
25:02
Speaker 1: He was just like like he was in pain, like
25:05
Speaker 1: he was like shocked, like oh, you know he took
25:11
Speaker 1: and he's still anyway, stop due, Oh he was still
25:24
Speaker 1: consciouns and still alive. There Kurt nermy I never thought
25:29
Speaker 1: this would happen. But I actually, just a tiny, tiny
25:33
Speaker 1: sliver of me actually feel sorry for you because your
25:37
Speaker 1: client changes her story from I wasn't there too, Okay, okay, okay,
25:41
Speaker 1: you've got me on the DIGI caam. I was there,
25:43
Speaker 1: but I didn't do it. Two ninjas did it, dressed
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Speaker 1: in solid black, a man and a woman. They murder
25:52
Speaker 1: Travis and I run out and save my own life.
25:55
Speaker 1: But I don't call police. Okay, what Kirk, When you
26:04
Speaker 1: hear what you're confronted with, what you've got to somehow
26:06
Speaker 1: try to explain a way to a jury what's going
26:09
Speaker 1: through your mind? Well? Remember, see, I think your sympathy
26:13
Speaker 1: for me in this situation should be a little more
26:15
Speaker 1: than slight. Because this is the beginning of her press
26:17
Speaker 1: to her right, she famously goes on national TV talks
26:20
Speaker 1: about the ninja's story. She goes on to you know,
26:24
Speaker 1: talk about their sex life as everything else about the
26:28
Speaker 1: relationship that paints herself in the best light. She's enjoying
26:31
Speaker 1: this limelight. This makes it all the worse, and she
26:34
Speaker 1: famously does an interview where she says, no jury will
26:38
Speaker 1: convict me. So again, like I said earlier, the cards
26:41
Speaker 1: were definitely attacked against me. The reality was there. And
26:44
Speaker 1: keep in mind, this wasn't just a murder case, this
26:47
Speaker 1: was a death penalty case. I had to begin to
26:49
Speaker 1: figure out a way to try to save miss Harris's life.
26:53
Speaker 1: Sad became my priority. That's really hard when your client
26:56
Speaker 1: goes on TV and changes stories, including a male and
27:00
Speaker 1: a female ninja did it? Chris, he's joining me a
27:04
Speaker 1: longtime friend of Travis Alexander's, Chris, Well, you heard they.
27:08
Speaker 1: I didn't do it, changed too, a man and a
27:13
Speaker 1: woman ninja did it? And I fled to save my
27:16
Speaker 1: own life. How did that strike you? It's preposterous, you know,
27:20
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what else to say. It's
27:22
Speaker 1: just it's where where was she going with that? And
27:25
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting about Jodi Arius who there's lots
27:28
Speaker 1: obviously interesting, But she says that that as she was
27:32
Speaker 1: leaving the house, she said, quote, I did something I
27:38
Speaker 1: was ashamed of. She said there was a little girl
27:41
Speaker 1: playing in the front yard, and she said that she
27:45
Speaker 1: Jody said that she backed up without looking behind her.
27:51
Speaker 1: So no mention of leaving Travis Alexander, you know, dying
27:56
Speaker 1: inside this house at the hands of these two ninjas.
28:00
Speaker 1: She was ashamed of herself for backing out of the
28:03
Speaker 1: driveway without looking behind her as it moves forward. I
28:11
Speaker 1: want you to take a list mite evidence is mounting.
28:17
Speaker 1: Take a Listen to our cut thirty two. This is
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Speaker 1: ABC's Ryan Owens, but prosecutors alleged Arius is a stalker
28:26
Speaker 1: who brutally attacked her x in a jealous rage when
28:28
Speaker 1: she found out he was seeing other women. Arius's defense,
28:32
Speaker 1: which is expected to start next week, will have to
28:34
Speaker 1: overcome a mountain of forensic evidence, including pictures taken on
28:39
Speaker 1: this camera found in Alexander's washing machine. Prosecutors say Arias
28:44
Speaker 1: literally tried to wash that evidence away, but on its
28:47
Speaker 1: memory card, detectives discovered not just those racy photos from
28:51
Speaker 1: the couple's sexual encounter the day of the murder, but
28:54
Speaker 1: a series of twenty shots of Alexander posing in the
28:58
Speaker 1: shower minutes before his death. Prosecutors say Arias put down
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Speaker 1: the camera and picked up a knife, stabbing her unsuspecting victim.
29:07
Speaker 1: The most damning picture comes after the camera was dropped.
29:10
Speaker 1: It's too graphic for us to show, but the jury
29:13
Speaker 1: saw a shot of what appears to be Arias actually
29:17
Speaker 1: moving the bloody body. Prosecutors say she was especially cold
29:20
Speaker 1: blooded after the crime. They played this voicemail areas left
29:26
Speaker 1: on Alexander's phone a few hours after she killed him.
29:30
Speaker 1: Morbidly enough, she invited a man she knew was dead
29:33
Speaker 1: to come visit her. Karen Starr and your psychologist, did
29:39
Speaker 1: you just hear that she leaves a message on Travis's
29:44
Speaker 1: phone after she kills him, inviting him to visit her. Well,
29:49
Speaker 1: that shows you, Nancy, doesn't it That she is so
29:54
Speaker 1: start when it comes to trying to cover her trucks,
29:57
Speaker 1: and she knew exactly what she was doing, so she
30:01
Speaker 1: wanted it to look like she knew nothing, hadn't been involved,
30:05
Speaker 1: and she was just innocently calling him to invite him
30:09
Speaker 1: to come visit her. And that is not a person
30:14
Speaker 1: who didn't know right from wrong, which has so much
30:16
Speaker 1: to do with her being a psychopath. She's smart, she
30:20
Speaker 1: knew exactly what she was doing and has no feeling
30:23
Speaker 1: about it during the police interrogation. Of course, we see
30:27
Speaker 1: Arius on close circuit TV doing headstands and singing and
30:32
Speaker 1: talking to herself. But you gotta hand it to Venoman
30:36
Speaker 1: defense attorney Kirk Nermie who is left wondering what am
30:42
Speaker 1: I gonna do? Now, take a listen to Kirk Nermie
30:47
Speaker 1: and a valiant hill Mary in court. Something did happen
30:52
Speaker 1: in this moment of time. And the point of this,
30:55
Speaker 1: I think is what this evidence shows you is that
30:59
Speaker 1: either what happen is that Jody Aris defended herself and
31:03
Speaker 1: didn't know when to stop, or she gave in to
31:09
Speaker 1: a sudden heat of passion from a fight that began
31:13
Speaker 1: up in that bathroom. And then what she did she
31:18
Speaker 1: did under that sudden heat of passion demonstrative of that
31:22
Speaker 1: is this idea. She doesn't remember any of it. So
31:27
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to you, ladies and gentlemen is, ultimately,
31:32
Speaker 1: if miss Airis is guilty of any crime at all,
31:38
Speaker 1: it is the crime of manslaughter and nothing more. Chris Hughes,
31:44
Speaker 1: where were you when the guilty artic was announced within
31:48
Speaker 1: the courtroom? Can you describe that moment? Yeah? I mean
31:51
Speaker 1: it felt like it would never come, and every second
31:55
Speaker 1: felt like an eternity. And I remember my heart I
32:02
Speaker 1: felt like it was, you know, going to beat out
32:04
Speaker 1: of my chest. And I remember feeling short of breath
32:06
Speaker 1: and always having to remind myself to breathe and taking
32:11
Speaker 1: deep breaths, and you know, it feels it almost as
32:16
Speaker 1: I look back now. I mean, it feels like a
32:18
Speaker 1: dream state. But when we got the guilty verdict, you know,
32:24
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any of this go away, right. It
32:26
Speaker 1: was a weird thing. You'd think that there would be
32:29
Speaker 1: some sort of relief, and I guess there was some
32:33
Speaker 1: relief to a degree, but it just wasn't what I
32:37
Speaker 1: had hoped, you know, because I realized in that moment
32:40
Speaker 1: that she was guilty. Travis wasn't coming back. Killers amongst
32:44
Speaker 1: us justice. Aires is convicted. She is making money behind bars,
32:53
Speaker 1: selling her quote artwork and fleecing the love lorn man
32:57
Speaker 1: who actually send her money. She's actually just been thrown
33:04
Speaker 1: a bone. She is in a lessened security area of
33:10
Speaker 1: the jail. I don't know what they're thinking. Was it
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Speaker 1: justice maybe, But for friends and family, there is no justice.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Killers amongst us, signing off goodbye friend,