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Episode #184: Chronic & Autoimmune Diseases are REVERSIBLE--Here’s the Proof · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels, the podcast with yours truly, Joel Salatin, the farmer, and Dr.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: Cena McCullough, our favorite researcher.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today we're going to delve into a little bit the disease reversal.
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  SPEAKER_01: The idea that you can reverse disease.
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  SPEAKER_01: We run into this all the time, don't we?
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  SPEAKER_01: We run into somebody, well, I've got this, I've got that, I've got, you know, and and um and we we've worked on this a little bit in the past.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna dive into it a little bit today.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um as as kind of introduction, it it has a lot to do with how we perceive, how we perceive disease, how we perceive our own diagnosis, our own stuff.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: And um a couple of Sundays ago, uh our pastor was gone, and so he asked me to stand in for him, and it was the first Sunday of the of the new year.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, what what's a what's a new beginning time?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I I just kept my heart just kept going back to the story of the Israelites when they came into the promised land after their 40 years of wandering, and that and Joshua sent two spies into the land.
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember, you got three or four thousand people camped uh ten miles away from this city called Jericho.
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  SPEAKER_01: He sends these two spies to kind of scope things out, and they encounter uh a lady named Rahab.
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  SPEAKER_01: Rahab the uh Rahab the harlot, you know, is is kind of goes hand in hand with her name.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh and she takes them in and and uh hides them and lies to the king and all this and and saves her family.
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  SPEAKER_01: She puts the red cord out, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the thought that struck me was here she is immersed in Jericho, and most of the time I feel like I'm living in Jericho.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and uh and what was it about her that she she perceived the Israelites coming in?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh she perceived it completely different than everybody else in Jericho.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think many of us who are in the space that we're in that we occupy as you know a little bit unorthodox, alternative, whatever, um we we feel we we want, don't we?
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  SPEAKER_01: We want, we desire, I want to see what other people don't see.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, when I'm behind the the you know, the lady at Kroger's and she's coming out with a with a cart full of Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pepper, Coca-Cola, um, you know, Cheetos, Lay's potato chips, and and and and taco chips and microwaveable pizza.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I want to perceive life differently.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's that's the norm.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, 70 to 70 per 77% of the food Americans eat is is classified as ultra-processed, which means you can't make it in your kitchen.
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  SPEAKER_01: You need a laboratory to make this kind of food, all right?
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  SPEAKER_01: 77% of the food Americans eat is ultra-processed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Folks, we live in Jericho.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the question is, how do we how do we perceive uh our surroundings?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do how do we perceive what we're hearing?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do we perceive the news?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do we perceive that so that we so that we are are are watching for God's deliverance, if you will.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're identifying uh with a different set of of truth uh into our lives.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so with that kind of intro, uh, I'm gonna turn it over to Cena to to dig into this topic of perception and disease reversal.
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  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was great, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's always hard to follow you.
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  SPEAKER_02: But so I want to start by just painting the familiar picture.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, we've all seen these ads on TV.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, maybe not you, Joel, because you don't have a TV, but the rest of humankind has seen these types of ads where you know you have like the cheerful music playing in the background, you have these smiling actors, maybe they're strolling on a sunlit park or they're, you know, hugging their family members or tossing a frisbee to their dog.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: These are the pharmaceutical ads I'm talking about, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: But behind that happy visual, you'll you'll hear this like soothing, soft voice come up and rattle off a laundry list of potential side effects, like may cause nausea, dizziness, lupus, or in rare cases, death, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like that's that's our norm, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We're all familiar with that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, can you imagine what if you're sitting on your couch, you're watching TV, and all of a sudden an ad comes up that's entirely different.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe the ad's like feeling stressed, try forgiveness.
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  SPEAKER_02: Studies show it can lower blood pressure, reduce anxiety, and even strengthen relationships.
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  SPEAKER_02: Side effects may include laughter, better sleep, and an unexpected sense of peace, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, how awesome would that be?
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  SPEAKER_02: Or like, okay, I got another one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Tired of feeling drained, why not try organ meat packed with vitamins and minerals?
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  SPEAKER_02: They feel feel your body naturally.
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  SPEAKER_02: Warning may lead to a newfound energy and curiosity about liver recipes, like, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Wouldn't that be fantastic?
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  SPEAKER_02: So, if those kinds of ads were our norm, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: If the mainstream media regularly highlighted the healing power of prayer, the benefits of eating whole foods, or the potential to reverse disease using alternative therapies like acupuncture, sound healing, then you know, if that was our norm that we were exposed to through media, these alternative therapies that sometimes we think of as kind of out there, they would seem to be the norm.
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  SPEAKER_02: They they would be our norm.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and the pharmaceutical ads might actually seem odd to us.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you think of it, let's say that it's your norm, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We're having all these great ads coming out as about the power of prayer and whatnot.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you see an ad come up for a pharmaceutical drug and it says, take drug X to manage symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_02: Does it cure disease?
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  SPEAKER_02: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: Will you need it long term?
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: What about the ingredients?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, some might be sourced from countries like China, or it could have dyes or chemicals banned by other countries.
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  SPEAKER_02: Are there side effects?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nausea, lupus, death, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And ask your doctor if a lifetime prescription refill is right for you, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like that's actually what that ad is saying.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if we already had that perception of eating whole foods and, you know, saying gratitude and practicing forgiveness, and then all of a sudden a pharmaceutical ad came onto the TV, we would probably think really differently of that ad than we do today, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because marketing shapes how we perceive health.
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  SPEAKER_02: It shapes how we perceive disease and even our ability to heal from it from a disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: For most of us, these pharmaceutical ads are not strange, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Our perception of medicine and healing has been modeled by years of exposure to this single narrative that the managing symptoms with pharmaceuticals is the best that we could do.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, what I want to do is help flip that perspective.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: So I want to give the tools and the mindset to help people actually reverse diseases.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: So media and modern medicine aren't going to empower you, at least not at this point, with that belief that you can actually heal, that you can live long, you can live like into your hundreds with living well, right?
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_02: We have this image of growing old, that you become frailed and decrepit, and people have to wait on you hand and foot, and you're kind of a burden to society.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: And what I want to do is help people understand that that's not the way it has to be, that we can actually change our perception and with it becomes new health.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: So, since they're not going to do that for you, I would like to begin on our show highlighting different healing strategies and modalities that people can use to reverse disease or boost your energy or live well to 100, right?
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: So we are going to start bringing on some incredible guests on our show to share different tools and approaches that they have that you can utilize to empower yourself and to harness your God-given ability to heal and to thrive.
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  SPEAKER_02: And today I want to kick it off with offering a fresh perspective, one that challenges the conventional narrative, but can help you shift your mind, your mindset.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we're going to today lay the foundation for the unshakable belief that all chronic and autoimmune diseases are reversible.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, all of them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: What I and the reason I want to do this particular show is because what I have found is that if you tell somebody, yeah, diseases can be reversed, they they might be a little bit intrigued and they might be a little bit hopeful.
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  SPEAKER_02: But because we're there's an onslaught of the opposing narrative, they don't truly believe it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so what I've done is I've scoured the scientific literature with example upon example of peer-reviewed, published studies in the scientific and medical literature that is saying irrefutably all of these different diseases can be reversed.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I want to share some of those findings with you today.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: Before you jump into that scene, I've got two things to to share as as just uh to help uh whatever augment everything that you've said.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh one is that um just this weekend I was with uh uh spoke at the Children's Health Defense Uh Fund um annual meeting in Arizona, and um and the the uh MC was Robert Scott Bell, who has quite a big following and he's got a radio program, he's had done it since 1999.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said the most profound statement, he said the worst thing an American can own.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so so think of you know, when I hear worst thing American can own, I my my thought first goes to like uh timeshares.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean there's whole organizations now that can get you out of your timeshare, right?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we just went through that, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: My my stepmother-in-law uh had a timeshare and she she was gonna give it to one of us, you know, one of us kids.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, and and so uh Teresa actually, my wife actually talked her into going to a uh uh an opt-out of your timeshare uh program.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh so fortunately now Grandma Sue is gonna get rid of her timeshare and not give it to any of us.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, what's the worst thing an American can own?
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  SPEAKER_01: And he said the worst thing you can own is a really top quality, good health insurance program.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh because if you have really good health insurance, it dominates your perception.
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  SPEAKER_01: You uh you everything is free, everything is given to you, and so you're gonna go to the convenient thing, which is the conventional medical establishment, and and blah, blah, blah.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: So uh, so the things I'll I don't know everything that you're gonna say.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: I seldom do, but uh I don't know that right now.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I'll bet yeah, I'll bet some of the things that you're gonna say would not be covered by a really good health insurance program.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and uh and so I want to get this right off the top.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're we're we're gonna be honest with everyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: The kind of modalities that we're talking about, A, they might not be very expensive, but B, even their cost is not gonna be covered by your typical health insurance program.
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  SPEAKER_01: Second thing, the guy that picked me up at the airport works at a Phoenix um uh juice clinic, and he said basically their whole clientele is stage four cancer patients.
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  SPEAKER_01: So these are stage four cancer folks, and he's he said he just without even uh hesitating, he said, we have an 85% cure rate with this juicing therapy.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I'm this is not an endorsement of juicing therapy, I'm just giving this as an example of a clinic that specializes in a a diagnosis that normally is a death sentence.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the perception.
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  SPEAKER_01: And here this clinic with with just food, just food.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's not there's no hocus pocus.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just uh a different uh approach to food.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um he he said, he said we have it, so we don't we don't save them all, you know.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: We don't, but but he said 85%, which 85% success rate at stage four is well, I mean, you would know the statistics, Dina, but I mean to me that sounded really good, uh, you know, compared to what the you know to what the conventional industry does.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's incredible.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so with that in mind, uh uh give it to us.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna hopefully not dwell too much on any one particular disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, Joel, you're my regulator.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is the one regulator I like in my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: You move me along if I'm dwelling, okay?
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: So again, this podcast is about helping you shift your perception um so that we all start really believing that any disease is reversible, okay?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: And in future shows, we will go into more um uh explanations and examples of how to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So as we say, conventional medicine treats these diseases like lifelong sentences that you could just manage largely through medication.
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  SPEAKER_02: But in essence, it's not something that you can ever walk away from, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: But the science, if you look in the scientific literature, it's filled with not only case studies but clinical trials showing that these chronic conditions can be reversed.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: So since you brought up cancer, let's start there.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's actually been documented cases for centuries of spontaneous tumor regression and tumor reversion.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: So tumor regression means that tumor is going to shrink and disappear without the conventional treatment.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: Tumor reversion is when the cancer cells actually revert back to normal cells.
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  SPEAKER_02: So for centuries cases have been documented in you know, in medical resources and now in our modern scientific literature, that both of these uh spontaneous regression and reversion of tumors exist.
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  SPEAKER_02: In fact, in 2011, there's a review published stating that uh spontaneous healing from cancer, quote, is now an acceptable, oh sorry, is now accepted as an indisputable fact and is not rare.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: So this is a peer-reviewed scientific journal published in the medical literature that's saying spontaneous healing from cancer is an indisputable fact and it is not rare.
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  SPEAKER_02: The review noted that they looked at one year, it was like 2002, and they said that every month that year there were more than four articles published in medical journals documenting these healings from cancer.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: More recently and seeing it, just to make sure, are are those following treatment or they're just they're just nope, it's not following conventional treatment.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so a lot of times what will happen is so there's always so much information that you can extract from scientific um you know publications because a lot of times when they're looking at people who have healed from diseases, they're looking at medical records.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when you go into a medical doctor's office, they often don't ask you, you know, what other therapies are you trying?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like what alternative therapies are you trying?
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: So um, and and even if they do, uh, a new study came out.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so check this out, Joel.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: A recent study came out that said that about 60% of people over the age of 55 are seeking alternative therapies, alternative treatments.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because yeah, because yes, and uh because you would think that it'd be, you know, in in the younger generation, I was like, oh, I can see that, you know.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: But these are people 55 and older, 60% of them are now seeking alternative treatments, probably because they've been in that system and they realize that it's not actually healing at the root cause, right?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: The medication won't actually heal you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And actually, they're they're saying they're seeking quote root cause medicine.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: So they're seeking this out, and over half of the people who um who they surveyed in this particular study, over half of those elderly people would not tell their medical doctor that they were seeking alternative therapy or trying alternative therapy.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: And when they asked them why, the predominant reason was because they didn't trust the doctor.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this so I bring that up as well to let you know that we are no, like we're not in the fringe here, yeah, right?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: We're not, and people of all ages are coming out and being like, you know what, the system is not good enough.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: I deserve better, like we all deserve better than this.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: So when you're looking at these articles, that's a missing piece, is that a lot of times the medical records don't include alternative therapies or alternative supplements or herbal supplements that these people have tried.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: So we don't have a lot of information on some of these.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some of them we do and some of them we don't.
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  SPEAKER_02: This one we don't.
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  SPEAKER_02: This was a review of them call of them getting the numbers of how many reversals there have been, but all of these reversals occurred with not with no conventional treatment.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: So oftentimes the conventional treatment didn't work, and then later on the person was healed.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So um, now there was a 2024 review I was able to find that also affirmed that cancer itself is reversible.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: This one actually did break down some of the treatments that the people used to reverse um the cancers.
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  SPEAKER_02: They noticed fasting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fasting was one of the primary ways to reverse uh cancer and fever.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: So these are potential triggers for death of what they call the tumor cells, you know.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: And we can have a whole show going into that too about fevers.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know, I want to move on to the next topics, uh the next diseases as well to make sure we cover all of them.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, the next one I want to talk about is heart disease because this is so prevalent in our culture.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you look in the scientific literature, there's um a landmark study dating back to 1998, right?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: 1998, where we have known that if you change your diet and lifestyle, you could not only halt but reverse heart disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was a randomized controlled trial, and they they divided patients that had these patients had moderate to severe heart disease, and they divided them into two groups.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: One was an experimental group that would undergo lifestyle modification, and the other group was the usual care group, right?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like the medication, you know, the the guidelines that they give you in the typical doctor's office.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: So just to make sure that I'm with you on heart disease, we're talking about things, the normal things where you would go in and get a stint, uh, where you would have uh arrhythmic um abnormalities.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: So we're talking about people who will have like yes, like people who are um are told they have high cholesterol, you know, high lipid profiles, high triglycerides, maybe they have plaque formation.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they already have these, um they already have what we would call coronary heart disease.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's either moderate or even severe, meaning there's you know, progressive um substantial narrowing of the artery.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: So so these aren't like people who may develop heart disease or you know, these are people with moderate to severe heart disease already.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, excellent point, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_02: So two groups of lifestyle modification and then usual care.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: And of many in that usual care group were prescribed lipid lowering medications.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: They looked at five years, so they did this for five years, and what they showed was in this lifestyle modification group, they had a 7.9% improvement in narrowing of the artery.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: So it reversed.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: The narrowing of the artery was reversing.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: Now, in contrast, the usual care group had almost a 30% worsening or increase in artery narrowing.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: So usual care, almost 30% more narrowing, lifestyle changes, almost uh eight.
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  SPEAKER_02: Percent opening of the artery.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: So conventional care would be things like your prescribed statins and things like that.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just trying to exactly exactly I'm the layman here, you're the PhD, so I'm trying to make sure everybody comes along here with us.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's the people who are prescribed lipid lowering medications.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, like a statin.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know what, you know what's interesting?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: See, I I know numerous people who've had heart attacks and you know and survived it.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: And and and and what happens is they change their diet, they start taking long walks, they do things, and you wonder if they had done that a year before, you know, would they have had the heart attack?
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, it just it just makes you wonder.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, in my mind, I mean, these things are all preventable.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like this is the one thing that we now know.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we know people who study this and help people reverse these conditions, these are all reversible.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: They're all preventable and they're all reversible.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the most remarkable uh story, because you you will hear stories if you start looking for them, and I encourage everyone to start scouring the internet to look for these positive stories.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: Often they are somewhat suppressed, right?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: Just like my program got pulled down.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we got it back up, but my program to teach you how to reverse disease was censored.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: It was pulled down.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy that they would want to pull that down when we could help people, but they did.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: So these stories will sometimes get suppressed.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: But if you just start searching around, you will find um case studies uh all over the internet.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: Look in PubMed and you will find these studies.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Fortunately, Cena, Mark Zuckerberg is now not gonna have any fact checkers anymore.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: So you you and I uh have free reign now because we don't have to so we don't have to go through the fact checkers anymore.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm sure that now everything is gonna be hunky dory because you know that's what Zuckerberg wanted all along, and the Biden administration forced him to to censor all of us, right?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: So you know, and and I will oh, I forgot to tell you.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, so you know that I was um blocked on Instagram.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: Instagram is connected with Facebook, they're both owned by Meta, right?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I literally signed up for account and was practically immediately blocked before I can even post anything.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Joel, um, you and I just got censored by YouTube again.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um so, but this time it wasn't me.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: Usually it's me talking about like herbs or reversing disease.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: This time it was you.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: So what did I say?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: You mentioned um it was the podcast we were doing about whether or not livestock need vaccines.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I was really, I thought your response was very balanced and level-headed because you didn't badmouth them, and your conclusion was essentially in the conditions in which they are raised, they probably need them, you know.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: But it got censored.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we got flagged by YouTube for that.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I was so relieved when I got the notice that it wasn't me again.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: You're catching up to me.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: But yes, but yes.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: So hopefully, hopefully, uh more of these stories will come out.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, to give people an example of how much you can reverse um, or how much hope there is in someone who has heart disease and that you can fully recover, is um the story of my mom is she had heart disease, quote unquote heart disease for decades.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, high cholesterol, high triglycerides.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, at one point, um, she had to have her blood filtered because her triglycerides were in the 3000s, right?
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: Constantly could not get her cholesterol under control.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: She was on multiple uh lipid lowering medications, she had had multiple strokes, she had had a heart attack, um, she had plaque in the arteries, all right.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: And it, you know, when you go down that progression, it's it doesn't look good for a cardiac event that's lethal coming up, right?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: So I put her on diet and lifestyle changes within seven months.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: She had complete reversal.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: And how I know that is she got off all medications, right?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: All cholesterol lowering, triglyceride lowering medications.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: And in fact, her doctors um actually put a camera up her veins, up the artery, to see uh what was happening, and they couldn't believe it.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: And they looked with a camera and there was no plaque there.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: So that was in only seven months, Joel.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: Seven months.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: So the what you'll notice with all of these different reversals is that you have to find your unique triggers.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: And once you find those, you address them, and then the natural innate healing ability of the body takes over and the body heals itself.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: So that's going to be a common theme in upcoming podcasts.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: And we talk about how to do this.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: It is what we're doing is we're helping you figure out how to find your triggers and bring out this innate ability to heal.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so now let's go on to um depression and Alzheimer's.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: This is rampant now in our country.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this one, there was a 2024, a retrospective case series, and um which is a higher quality, it's it's more than a case study, it's a series of cases that were reviewed.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: And they documented that you could reverse major depression and anxiety disorder um using a ketogenic diet.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: So a ketogenic diet getting into a state of ketosis and completely remission was achieved in only 12 weeks.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: Could you imagine, Joel, going from being depressed and anxious every day, and then 12 weeks later, it's just resolved.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's gone.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's that's remarkable.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there was another 2023 uh review that said that exercise, that's all they did.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: They just changed the exercise.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: It can reduce mild to moderate depression and anxiety in adults.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: And here's the thing they compared this group with people who were on the standard of care with the standard medications for depression and anxiety.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: The people who exercise that group had more improvement than the group that was on the standard medication.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: So exercise outperformed the standard medication for anxiety and depression.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, it's it's remarkable what you can find in the literature.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Alzheimer's, this is one of my favorite categories to discuss because Alzheimer is very scary for a lot of people because of the narrative that we've been told.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: So cognitive decline can actually be reversed.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um even going back to 2016, there was a study published in aging.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: And what they did was they used this personalized, holistic therapeutic approach.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: And so that meant like diet changes, checking for nutrient deficiencies, um, incorporating exercise, incorporating um cognitive skills.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe like um, you know, solving puzzles and things.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: So using your mind, um, socialization, which is also very important.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: So they they used this holistic therapeutic program and and they also they were measuring things like with images of the brain.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: So it wasn't just a subjective, how do you feel today?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Can you remember this?
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: They also combined that with imaging.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: And what they saw was that um there a significant number of people regained normal functioning, and some of them actually even returned to work in the imaging.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: One of the cases in particular, they had um the hippocampal, so there's the hippocampus in your brain, and they image um to get an assessment of the volume of that part of your brain, and it often will tend to decrease uh with Alzheimer's.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: The volume does.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: So what they showed was it was originally at the 17th percentile in volume.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: By the end of the study, it went from 17th percentile to 75th percentile.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: So the brain grew back, and that was in only 10 months.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: 10 months alongside it were cognitive improvements.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: Now, there was another follow-up to this in a 2023 review that also reported cognitive improvements in early offset Alzheimer's using the same approach.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: Dr.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: Dale Bredison, who I would love to get him on our show, he is one of the ones who's leading the charge in this peep in this field.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: He is implementing these holistic protocols and he's seeing people return to work and engaging in everyday behaviors like cooking and cleaning and socializing.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there's also a two-year program that was run.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: It was called the Finger Study, and this was out of Finland, and they combined exercise, nutrition, the cognitive training, like we talked about, and socializing.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: And they saw that they also had um uh a reversal of cognitive cognitive decline, and they said that the no current pharmacological treatments can rival the effects that they're seeing.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and that that was published in The Lancet.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, uh Cena, think about think about modern American culture.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just let's just deal with ourselves, modern American culture, and the the normal um, the normal aging process, okay?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: So so um the kids are gone, you're empty nesters, and so it gets more and more difficult to cook for just two.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's fun to cook for kids and you know, people around.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so I don't know how many, I'm sure you've heard this, how many people I know, uh, especially if they lose a spouse, but e even when they're empty nesters, oh man, it's such a drag to just cook for the two of us.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: So what happens is here you are at this at this eight elderly part of your life, and you start going toward convenience.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what happens when you go to convenience?
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Then you go to ultra-processed.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like it as you're as you're going through this, it just I'm struck by how um how this how the decline is there there's more things than just choosing food.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's there's all these social.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I was at a I spoke up at a uh a Waldorf school up in New England.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember where it was now, but they had a they had a day school and uh combined with a um elder care facility.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: And they had this huge day room where almost daily the the children in the you know the the five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten-year-old many elementary school kids would come into the day room with the elderly folks and they would snap green beans, they would quilt, they would, uh and the old people would, yeah, I almost get just just break down.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was so profound.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: And and I watched these old grandmas and grandpas and stuff, you know, uh um whether it was, you know, whittling a, you know, uh I'll I'll be sexist here, but you know, a guy would teach a six-year-old how to whittle a whistle, for example, you know, that he grew up doing.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: And grandma would teach how to how to quilt or needlework or sew or something, especially to the little girls.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: The sexism isn't the important.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: The important thing is that that what you had here were were one-on-one mentoring social interactions of needfulness, needfulness from the old person as they led the eagerness of a young of a child.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: And we we don't do that in our culture.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the uh the these elderly, they're you know, they so you're an empty nester, you quit cooking, and then you quit you quit being um you know, rubbing shoulders with young people, especially with kids.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, except for the for the one week a year you go see the grandkids, you know, and take them to Disney World or whatever.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: But there's not a you know, there's not a new and and and you know, you you get aches and pains, so you don't want to exercise.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: You you you reduce your you know your gardening or you know, whatever you do in your work.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so these three these things, these socialization, um, cognitive skills, you know, and you you quit reading because whatever, it's easier just to turn on the tube and watch something.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so these four things diet, exercise, cognitive skills, and socialization, those all you just look at our culture as a person retires, all four of those things are are endemic.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: They're endemic at that stage of life.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: They really are, and I mean, other cultures aren't like that, right?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: Other cultures where the elderly would stay in there, and they they have they feel a sense of purpose because as you explained in your example, they're passing down wisdom, right?
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's a that's a huge um benefit for the younger generation to receive that type of wisdom from the elderly, but we don't really do that so much in our culture, so it does become hard and they become isolated and secluded and maybe don't feel like they have worth.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: And then you have the depression set in, you know, and lack of motivation.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's a vicious cycle, you know.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's one reason why, too.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like I knew that I needed to have community after going through the health bout that I had, and we were alone and then isolated from family by their choice.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: I knew I needed to build a community, which is how we ended up here.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I find it this is a commonality, right?
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: This is a common thread.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: This is like uh I I take think of it as like, you know, we've talked about the basics that you need to survive are like food, water, shelter, you know, the safety, the safety factor factor.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then for me, next is community.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like it's it's that important.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, we even and we're hearing this from our listeners as well.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we had um Anita and Patrick Hoffman messaged in, and they were very excited that we're gonna start having these monthly QAs um with our subscribers.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: So the least we can show up and like see each other and hear from each other.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but what they're wondering is, and we maybe just plant a little seed here.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: She said the question is, is there a way for the Beyond Labels podcast followers to connect locally, like a monthly meeting, like a meet and greet, or a quarterly locust harvest where like a harvest meal where we can eat and get to know each other?
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I read that and it it really I don't have an immediate answer for that.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we can ask if you if anybody has an answer, please send it in.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: We'll have to hear suggestions.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: But as soon as I read that email, it just resonated with me, like in my heart.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought there's an opportunity here, you know.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: Certainly when we host our True Day Tuesday two days of truth summit next summer, that's our biggest gathering for all of our like-minded Beyond Labels listeners to come join us, and we'll offer them a discount actually to come and join to join us.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it it would be fantastic if we can figure out some way like Weston Price does, and they have local chapters.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_02: And so I don't know, maybe it will evolve into that.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: I hope it will, because community is so it's so important.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: And if we could help at all to provide some of that for people, particularly as they are becoming empty nesters, it could be a very powerful healing modality in and of itself.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in the in the pasture livestock world, uh there have been there's just been uh a huge demand and and um creation of what are called um pasture walks.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: And and and so in a in a given you know region, a farmer will host a pasture walk.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: And um and you usually it's kind of you know late in the day, it's an evening kind of thing in the summer, and uh, and people interested in pastured livestock in their in the region, they just come together and they just you know rotate this around from from farm to farm and and and well, here's what I'm struggling with, here's what I think I have success with.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody can kind of look, it's it's an open book, it's a camaraderie kind of thing.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and these things are just uh they're almost like a cult.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when that's the level of loyalty and and excitement that people get over attending these these pasture walks.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, that this is the support group.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know, it's like alcoholics, it's like double, is it's like AA, you know.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh most of us we don't, you know, we're social beings.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: We don't we don't thrive otherwise.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love that.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we can even do something like that.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: Freedom walks.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like there you go.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: But but but but uh if anybody asks where we're gonna go, we're beyond labels, so there's no boundaries.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: We don't we have no idea where we're gonna go.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: There are no constraints here.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we're just gonna we'll just wander all over your farm, Joel.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: Your party favor can be grab a chicken on your way out.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's awesome.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so a little sidetracked there, but you know, all good.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: But so let me move on to the next one to make sure we cover a vast array of different conditions because I don't want anybody walking away from this going, yeah, but I have such and such, and that disease is different.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's not.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: They're all as you will discover with us, the pathway to reversing these is all the same.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so the next one I want to cover is type 2 diabetes.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, there was actually a review published that looked at 99 individual studies.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, 99 studies.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, imagine the magnitude of that.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: These are individual studies, 99 of them.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: These studies reported that type 2 diabetes is reversible.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, 99 different studies.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_02: And they said that by far the most effective way to reverse it was through carbohydrate restriction or a low calorie diet, and then some of the people had bariatric surgery.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: So between the low-carb diet and low calorie diet, they broke that out.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: So a study showed that the very low-carb diet and the low calorie diet, they both improved the hemoglobin A1C, they both resulted in weight loss, and they both resulted in the people being able to get rid of their diabetes medication.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we're talking about it's not just starting to reverse, it has fully reversed.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_02: They no longer need medication, and the A1C is normalized.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: Both of those diet plans were effective, but they did say that between the two of those, the low carbohydrate approach was more effective.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: When you had people doing the low carb approach, get this, Joel.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: This is remarkable.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: 95% of the people stopped or significantly reduced their medication.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: And that was after only 24 weeks, right?
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: 95% of the people.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's a pretty good statistic there.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that is.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: So so type 2 diabetes, definitely reversible.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the next one is thought in mainstream to really be not reversible, and this is ALS or amiotrophic lateral sclerosis, right?
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_02: Another neurodegenerative disease.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: And this is one that people are like, well, you know, that's a death sentence.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: But there was a study published in 2016, and they recognized that 7% of ALS patients um that they had pooled, there was about 3,000 patients that were pooled in the study.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: About 7% of them, um, they actually either plateaued in the progression, um, and some of them actually had reversal.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_02: After that study, there was a a doctor, Dr.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: Rick Bedlack, and he was actually the lead researcher of that study.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: He went on to confirm 62 cases of ALS reversal.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: 62 cases, and this is a rare disease, right?
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: ALS is a rare disease.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking about low numbers.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: So to already have a confirmed 62 cases of it being reversed is huge statistically.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: And now, and these are confirmed cases.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: So these are like the person got the diagnosis, and then like imaging showed that there was that they actually had ALS.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: So it was confirmed through testing and they had lost physical functioning and then they regained it, right?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: They they reversed it.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: These are reversals about things like the person was not able to breathe.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: They were on a ventilator and they've come off the ventilator.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: The person was wheelchair bound and now they're running.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_02: Or the person had to rely on, you know, those speech devices because they lose the ability to speak.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: And now they're speaking on their own.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: So these are actual like full reversals that have happened.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: And documented, confirmed in the medical literature, 62 cases.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if that doesn't give you hope, I don't know what would.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_02: Because LS is a death sentence, they say, you know?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so along those lines is Parkinson's.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_02: There was a case study that I thought was very fascinating.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: It was a 65-year-old man diagnosed with Parkinson's, you know, and had symptoms.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: He was prescribed niacin to treat high cholesterol.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_02: And what happened was the Parkinson's symptoms uh improved.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like so they were reversing.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: The motor function was coming back, cognitive performance was coming back, sleep quality was coming back, there were no side effects.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: So this matches up with what you're saying with the um the juicing, right?
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: Lacking micronutrients by itself can sometimes trigger these conditions.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_02: Now, there's also a Parkinson's recovery project, and they have numerous case studies of people who have recovered from this condition.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: So if you are suffering from that condition, I would suggest going to their website and just reading some of these case studies because after a while you're going to believe it one after the next, the documented case studies, you're it's gonna shift your perception.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um another one is lupus.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_02: Lupus is actually reversible.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: There's a 2016 study that was published that said um there was complete remission in lupus patients that they saw.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um almost 15% of the patients by the time that you know, like in a study, you're gonna you're gonna have an endpoint like do they have remission?
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: And then you'll have follow-up periods.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: And so when they follow them for at least three years, um, there are 15% of the people who had achieved this complete remission.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: Now, complete remission, they defined it as you have no symptoms and your lab tests are normal and you don't need any medication.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: So just that one study alone, 15% of them reverse, you know.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: Donnie, my husband, had lupus and totally reversed, right?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: So these things, it's like these healing stories are everywhere.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like you just have to start looking for them, you know?
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um an arthritis, I'll do two more.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: Arthritis, uh, a 2015 review highlighted recoveries from rheumatoid arthritis, and the recovery was defined as you no longer need medication.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: So you they got off their medication.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um this is the one that I was diagnosed with, right?
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: Advanced advanced rheumatoid arthritis.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it's been almost a decade now, and I'm still completely disease-free, no symptoms at all of any kind of disease.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_02: So we know you can reverse it and we know you can sustain it, right?
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the last one I'll cover is asthma.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: So remission of asthma is quite common in children, as most people know.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_02: But uh in adults, we often think of it as permanent.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: We now know that remissions have been reported in the literature between 2% and 52% of adults fully healing from asthma, right?
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: So at least half of them have reported to fully heal.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and by that they meant no symptoms and they didn't need medication, and the lung function was brought back to normal.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so even asthma could be reversed.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, what I also found was interesting is as I was looking through the scientific literature, there's in the studies, some of these authors, these scientists, are pretty bold in their statements.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: So, in one of the studies on type 2 diabetes and how it can be reversed, the author said, quote, achieving reversal is not commonly encouraged by our healthcare system.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a first-line standard of care, right?
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think it's yes, spot on, because if reversal is not the goal, then Western standard of care is not the best we can do.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: The goal should be reversal, it should not be managing some life sentence.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: So what I hope to do here is give you hope that we've covered a vast array of different diseases that are all said to be irreversible.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: I've showed you it's documented in the literature that you can reverse these, and that scientists are saying in these articles, we need to change the system, right?
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_02: So people are aware and they know and they're trying to make the changes, but the change is really in your hands, right?
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: These are we know how to do this, is what I'm saying.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: You can actually take this matter into your own hands and not wait for the medical system to help you change it.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: You can do that by you know, changing your diet, exercising, engaging with community, prayer, like posit, you know, thinking positively, positive affirmations, you know, all these things that we think about, it's really in your court.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and even um even developing purpose.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, a a lot of despair just comes from a lack of purpose or or or or feeling insufficient.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the best ways to create to to to reverse that feeling of insufficiency is to develop a strategy for purpose.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what's a what what's a new goal?
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: What's a new object?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't have doesn't have to be huge.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but you know, um, I mean, remember, remember how many the they the old uh the old Dear Abbey columns when I'm dating myself.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh are you old enough to remember Dear Abbey?
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_02: No, but you mentioned it once, and so I Googled it, and now I know what they are.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you you you probably you probably hardly even read newspapers, but um uh the Dear Abbey call.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that that was a that was a you know, that was Dear Abbey in the comics.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, that was the newspaper.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and I I can't tell how many times um you know, especially elderly people would write her with you know with all sorts of issues, and and her first answer was always volunteer somewhere, find find some local group to volunteer.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: I remember, well, uh when when my dad uh passed away, uh and he was young, he was 66, um, but but mom uh once she was, I mean, and she she she was caregiver for her mother, she passed away, and then she was caregiver for my dad, he passed away.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so now she's she's you're at a crossroads.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you're you're you're sick you're 65, 66 years old, a widow, you um, you know, I was taking care of the farm.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: She didn't have any responsibilities here.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't need any responsibilities here.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and she to say that she plunged into um philanthropic work would be she she wasn't wealthy, but she had time and and talent and ability.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I think at her peak, we we counted up that she was in 20, Cena, 20 local organizations, um, you know, from AARP to retired teachers to um American Heart Association, um uh weekday religious education.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just trying to name uh she was a dossier at the Woodrow Wilson birthplace, she was a dossier at the Frontier Culture Museum.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: These were volunteers, you know, they were always looking for volunteers, you know, and she just vol she was she was uh um uh a mover shaker in the local um square dance group, and then she joined a ballroom dancing group.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, I can't even think.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think we kind of it's like 20 or her Cena, her calendar was was way more stacked up than mine was.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: She's now she's now 101.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: She's now 101.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and she's declining pretty rapidly now.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, but she is 101, you know.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's not uh, but but I I can't help but think, I mean, she never went through one moment of sorry for me, oh, this is you know difficult.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, you know, she lived right here, and we were all living here together on the farm.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: So she had, you know, grand our kids, her grandkids, and we were, you know, we were all close, and there was a lot of activity here on the farm and people, but but she didn't she didn't have a bobble.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and I'm just always I'm this this brings that up to me that reminds me of of how many times dear Abby, uh, when these elderly people would write about their problems, and she said, just volunteer somewhere, find an organization that you can volunteer.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: And suddenly all these things that we told me back on I'm back on the Alzheimer's list, you know.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm back on this, you know, you're you're now you're you're um you're going, you're moving, you're doing, you're you're thinking, you're on a board, you're maybe president of an organization.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: She was president of numerous things, secretary of all sorts of stuff.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: She's always having to take minutes and and um you know, and she didn't type, so she'd bring it over for me to type.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta type up these minutes for me, you know.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: And and and and so because I'm cute.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_02: You were like her secretary.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_02: I was, I was.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'd type up the minutes for her, you know, so she'd have them for the uh organization.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, there was not a single emotional.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean, I'm sure she had her little cry times, but we never saw one ounce of sorry for me, woe is me, you know, I've had a bad no.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she just she just as they say, she just carried right on day one.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, so you know, uh uh when you look at the I'm I'm just struck.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just struck by the the elderly, the elderly trajectory, you know, and here Theresa and I now we're you know we're pushing 70, so here we are, you're not running into that, but but you know, we're we're immersed every day with this group of 20 to 30 enthusiastic, bright-eyed, bushy-tailed young people.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: All they want to do is they want to do what I've done.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's just who wouldn't want to age this way?
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_00: Who wouldn't want to age that way?
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's just profound.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_02: I know I always say my kids keep me young.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know being around that youthful, joyful, curious energy, and to be able to, you know, to be able to go from almost dying to chasing them around, you know, and that's exercise right there.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's like you know, most I most people I know think of that kind of as a chore, you know, and uh especially in our culture today, you know, uh just the perception about kids, and so for me, it's a blessing.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like every day that I have the ability to play tag, that's a huge blessing, you know.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_02: And so I'm like, I'm very grateful that like I'll be 50 this year and I have a four-year-old.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_02: And most people are like, oh my gosh, like you're gonna be so old by the time they graduate.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_02: That thought, perception, right?
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_02: That thought never enters my mind.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_02: Instead, I'm like, I'm the most youthful one of all the moms that have other four-year-olds.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm the one running around with them with my child, like playing tag with all the kids.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_02: I lead the whole activity for all the kids to do, like while the moms are on the side, right?
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_02: And so for me, it's it comes back to that whole perception.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: And what you're talking about too, it's for me, it's a it's a biblical concept that you you are to surround yourself with you know, with what brings you up.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_02: And and the youth does that.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think the other cultures are spot on when they keep the elderly in the house with them because that's a win-win, right?
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_02: They teach they pass down the wisdom.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and think about talk about cognitive decline, you know, think about how how little kids are constantly asking questions.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so that that stimulates cause.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I've got to answer all these questions.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta answer all this curiosity, and that stimulates causative, cognitive uh um uh awareness and and exercise, cognitive exercise uh as well.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_02: What we need to do then is have freedom walks for our community at your farm, and we'll bring children with us, and we'll run around with the kids and uh let them let them ask us all the questions they want.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, and we'll meet.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, um, that's that's great.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: What a great uh list, Cena.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and and I think that the you know the profound um the profound concept here, as you said, is is the perception.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and and how many times do you encounter people that got the diagnosis, and it's just the immediate thing is res that was the way my dad was.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: My dad immediately when I'm convinced that if he had never gone and gotten that biopsy, um I've I've told this story before.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I was I was out milking the cow, he was late coming back from the doctor, and uh he got this biopsy, and he walked in, it was evening, and he hadn't come, so I was milking his cow, and he walked in the door and I didn't recognize him.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: In in three hours, he went to now, I mean it didn't take me long to realize who it was, but that was the change in demeanor and spirit and attitude that came over with the diagnosis.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_01: I've got I've got the big C, you know, I'm done.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and and that's the that's the normal that's the normal thing.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: So in full transparency, for me, I vacillate between I don't ever want to find out.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: As long as I feel good, I'm just gonna keep on keeping on.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna go to a doctor, I you know, I don't go to a doctor, I don't do anything.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: I vacillate between that, you know, and people say, well, that's kind of, you know, you're not being very wise, to, well, how would I react if I got, you know, heard something?
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: And um and and so, you know, those those are two kind of opposite ends of the thing.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: But I think what you've kind of brought to us today is that if you for for those of for those of us or or people who have gotten a diagnosis, the first reaction needs to be okay, this is beatable.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: As opposed to, oh no, here we are, you know.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean, that is those are two totally divergent, 180-degree different pathways.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I think what you've uh encouraged us is uh you get to choose.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_01: You get to choose which which attitudinal pathway you're gonna go, and it can make all the difference in the world between um uh getting over it, you're pushing through it versus um being um being controlled by it.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's such a beautiful way to sum that up.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know what I'll do as I keep finding more and more um documentation in the literature, I'll just bring them to our listeners so that we keep the narrative going and show them more and more examples.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think that's the way that you change your perception.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's not just one time because we're bombarded by the counter-argument every day of our lives.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_02: And so if we keep providing this positive message with substantiated evidence, then I think it will help kind of uh tur shift that percept perception to really empower people and to take the fear away.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_02: Because I mean you're exactly right, that's what it is.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_02: We need to take the fear and that stigma away from the label.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_01: So the question of the day is do you know someone or have you uh beat a um a debilitating diagnosis?
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just say it that way.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I don't I don't want to say a death sentence, but you know, uh uh a debilitating diagnosis.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: Have you, do you have experience, have you beat it if you did how?
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_01: Or do you have a you know a friend or associate or family member that you know got that and they beat it um with with an alternative therapy?
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_01: With an alternative therapy.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and I think we'd love to we'd love to hear that and and um you know get get that kind of confirmation, affirmation back from the from from the perception concept.
• 1:02:35
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