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JD Johnson, Talon Training Group talks Personal Defense and More · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: More fun than a human being should be allowed to have.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Morning Show with Me and him and this
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  Speaker 1: guy joining us from the Talent Training Group. He is JD. Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: co founder of All Things Talent and co host of
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  Speaker 1: Talent Outdoors. How you doing, friend, I'm doing Greatshi. I
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  Speaker 1: was just telling you, you know, Thanksgiving, loved it great
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  Speaker 1: to be around the kids, and they gave me a gift.
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  Speaker 1: Someone gave me a gift and I've been fighting it
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  Speaker 1: ever since. But at any rate, and as I said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm willing friends, because it's Christmas, to surrender some time,
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  Speaker 1: to take some questions if you want to. We've got
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  Speaker 1: an email question already and you're gonna roll your eyes
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  Speaker 1: a second you hear it. I know you will. But
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  Speaker 1: if you want to send me a question or call in,
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  Speaker 1: ask a question, Ask a question about shopping for the
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  Speaker 1: gun lover in your family or for yourself. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay, it's okay to spend a buck or two
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  Speaker 1: on your side off it's eight five zero two zero
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  Speaker 1: five to b FLA. But I'm not going to beat
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  Speaker 1: it around because I have a list of things that
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a question from David. If you are using a burner,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead, go ahead with pepper gas or
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  Speaker 1: rubber pellets. Is there any chance of getting charged for
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  Speaker 1: assault or anything else?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, depends on when you're using.
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  Speaker 3: It, tends on depends on the circumstances. You better have.
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  Speaker 3: You better have a use of force scenario. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's no different than hitting somebody with us So you
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  Speaker 3: have a cane, a walking cane, and you you're the
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  Speaker 3: aggressor in the situation, hit somebody with a cane, or
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  Speaker 3: you know, slap somebody. You know, you get mad and
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  Speaker 3: throw a drink in somebody's face. That's that's a battery.
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  Speaker 3: You know. It is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious though, because it does raise an interesting set
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  Speaker 1: of questions in that does given that that burners are
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  Speaker 1: legal to carry for people eighteen and older, you can
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  Speaker 1: openly carry those, and you can carry them wherever you
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  Speaker 1: want to. Basically for the most part, you can. Does
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  Speaker 1: the same standard of discharging one of those a launcher?
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  Speaker 1: Is it the same as you know, fear of death
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  Speaker 1: and great bodily harm?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's not, because it's not a lethal It's not
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  Speaker 3: a lethal device.
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  Speaker 1: So would it be considered no different than punching back
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  Speaker 1: correct or punching first if the situation warrants it.
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  Speaker 3: So you're you're allowed to meet force with an equal
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  Speaker 3: amount of force. So someone's charging you, right so that
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  Speaker 3: you can you can punch that person, or you can
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  Speaker 3: kick that person. You know you can. There's you can
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  Speaker 3: defend yourself with it. Yeah, but it's not the same
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  Speaker 3: standard as a firearm, because a firearm shooting at someone,
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  Speaker 3: whether you hit them or not, is the use of
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  Speaker 3: deadly force. Okay, because the firearm, if appropriately applied, will
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  Speaker 3: cause death or great bodily harm. Yeah, So the burner,
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  Speaker 3: any kind of launcher, any pepper ball launcher, is not
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  Speaker 3: likely to cause death or great bodily harm.
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  Speaker 1: Just don't be the instigator and use that.
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  Speaker 3: Don't don't point it at somebody because you're having an
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  Speaker 3: argument and you're mad at them. You know, we see
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  Speaker 3: people cross that line all the time that that you know,
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  Speaker 3: they're the ones out of control because they don't they
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  Speaker 3: get into a or kerfuffle with somebody at the store
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  Speaker 3: or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I disagree about something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that's in maintaining your civility in those
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  Speaker 3: situations is important.
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  Speaker 1: Would it be fair to also say, before we go
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  Speaker 1: to a phone caller here that the way that some
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  Speaker 1: of those devices are designed, they look like a legitimate
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  Speaker 1: firearm too many. Yeah, and so if you drew one
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  Speaker 1: for no reason other than you're mad at somebody, that
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  Speaker 1: person could perhaps have an argument if they pulled a
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  Speaker 1: legitimate firearm, yeah, and discharged a round.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, So somebody's carrying a real gun and you point
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  Speaker 3: your burner at him because you've had an argument, you're mad,
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  Speaker 3: and you're you're gonna win the argument by.
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  Speaker 1: Hitting them with pepper spray.
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  Speaker 3: Hitting them with pepper spray, well, I could make the
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  Speaker 3: argument that, okay, little pepper spray is going to disable me.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they advertise that they can incapacitate somebody for
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  Speaker 3: forty minutes, which is probably not true, but they make
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  Speaker 3: that argument. Well, if I'm incapacitated in some fashion or
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  Speaker 3: other and I'm armed, what's stopping you from coming and
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  Speaker 3: taking my gun away from me and using it on me?
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  Speaker 3: So same, you know, same concept. That's why it's lethal force.
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  Speaker 3: If a police officer carrying a taser and somebody tries
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  Speaker 3: to take the taser away from the officer, the officer
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  Speaker 3: that can then transition to a firearm and say he
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  Speaker 3: was fixing to incapacitate me with my taser. Therefore I
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  Speaker 3: shot him. He was trying to take my weapon.
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  Speaker 1: So the answers still were to get your call right
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  Speaker 1: after the break, David, the answer to you is be careful.
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  Speaker 1: No the law No, the law yeah is don't be
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  Speaker 1: the instigator. Yeah, don't be the bully, and we're back.
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  Speaker 1: JD Johnson with me from the Talent Training Group Talentrange
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  Speaker 1: dot Com and Stu is on the phone line. Stu,
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  Speaker 1: good morning, Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: What's your question, JD?
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  Speaker 2: About two years ago I evaded a near home invasion.
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  Speaker 2: Up until that point, I was an AR fifteen guy
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  Speaker 2: for home defense. After that I reconsidered because of over penetration.
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  Speaker 2: My neighbors are relatives of mine next door. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: want anything to happen to them if I had to
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  Speaker 2: use a fire arm. I'm now using a twelve gauge
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  Speaker 2: am up hump action with a flashlight. Am I at
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  Speaker 2: any disadvantage compared to an AR fifteen in the home
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  Speaker 2: defense scenario?
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  Speaker 3: A twelve gage pump with a flashlight is exactly what
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  Speaker 3: sleeps under my bed back? Then, I answer your question. No,
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  Speaker 3: you're not, in my opinion, inside the home in close
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  Speaker 3: close quarters. Uh, there is no replacement for a twelve
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  Speaker 3: gage or twenty gage shotgun with buck shot.
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  Speaker 1: What about what about a car being nine millimeter? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just throws.
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  Speaker 3: Are fine and and over penetration is really not an
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  Speaker 3: issue with the right ammo.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, with ball.
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  Speaker 3: Ammo that you take and take to the range and
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  Speaker 3: shoot at targets with, it's not a great that's not
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  Speaker 3: good because it pokes a little hole and keeps on
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  Speaker 3: going and doesn't do with a with an AR. You know,
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  Speaker 3: if you're using soft point soft point expanding type ammo,
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  Speaker 3: over penetration is really not that big of an issue
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  Speaker 3: as much as people think it is. Uh, nine millimeters
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  Speaker 3: carbans are great. There's still no replacement for a twelve
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  Speaker 3: gage shotgun. It it it does more, it's more effective
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  Speaker 3: than either of these. Ballistically speaking, Stu.
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  Speaker 1: You got any follow up for that?
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  Speaker 2: No, that's perfect, James, Yeah, Christmas, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, the big merry Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: You have filthy animal.
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  Speaker 3: The uh, you know, the big, the big difference. You
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  Speaker 3: know you have to look at like this when you
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  Speaker 3: fire a twelve gauge double at book, you're launching eight
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  Speaker 3: or nine thirty three caliber pellets, So that's basically nine
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  Speaker 3: millimeter type projectiles, nine millimeters diameter projectiles. You're launching nine
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  Speaker 3: of them at one time, So that's like pulling the
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  Speaker 3: trigger on a nine millimeter nine times.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of spread does that have at say, eight
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  Speaker 1: or nine feet versus twenty feet.
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  Speaker 3: A big difference. I mean close range, you're you're you
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  Speaker 3: have to aim a shotgun at close range, your your pattern,
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  Speaker 3: uh is, its calls not going to be a whole
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  Speaker 3: lot bigger than the diameter of the barrel. So at
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  Speaker 3: close range it's you know, twelve twelve point one whatever
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  Speaker 3: millimeter's twelve point sixty seven or whatever. Twelve gauge is
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  Speaker 3: sixty seven caliber basically the further it gets out at
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  Speaker 3: fifteen yards, so that's what forty five feet. Most houses
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  Speaker 3: don't have much further than a forty five foot shot
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  Speaker 3: anywhere in the house is a direct line. Yeah, your
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  Speaker 3: pattern's going to be fifteen, sixteen, eighteen inches somewhere in there,
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  Speaker 3: depending on the gun and the load. So it's given
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  Speaker 3: you a bigger, you know, bigger think of a think
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  Speaker 3: of a five gallon bucket, diameter at fifteen yards, that's
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  Speaker 3: you probably could put all of them in. All those
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  Speaker 3: pellets are going to land in a five gallon bucket
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  Speaker 3: at fifteen yards.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned twelve gauge, that's what he mentioned as well,
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  Speaker 1: but you also mentioned twenty. What about four to ten?
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  Speaker 3: Four ten is a different animal. You're you're launching three
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  Speaker 3: triple off buck Most four to ten buck shot just
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  Speaker 3: as effective. Let's recoil. I'm just not a giant fan
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  Speaker 3: of four to ten because the velocity is reduced below
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  Speaker 3: You're getting down velocity wise.
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  Speaker 1: Even short distances.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, even short distances.
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  Speaker 1: What about the pump action, as you mentioned versus there
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  Speaker 1: are some models out there that are semi automatic.
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  Speaker 3: Some automatics can be problematic unless you find a load
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  Speaker 3: that will reliably work with your semi automatic. There a
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  Speaker 3: lot of them are dependent on the power of the
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  Speaker 3: shell to operate properly. Yeah, pumps don't care pump shot guns.
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  Speaker 3: You're manually working the action of the gun, so it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter what load you put in it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you recommend for personal defense, Let's stay on the
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  Speaker 1: twelve gage pump. Do you recommend alternating or using different
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  Speaker 1: loads or the same.
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  Speaker 3: Load all depends on your scenario. Okay, inside the house buckshot,
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  Speaker 3: you know large number four number four bird shot. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: that's that's about as small of a bird shot as
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  Speaker 3: I would go with. It was like a number four.
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  Speaker 3: There's there's also number four buck shot, which gives you
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  Speaker 3: fifty fifty pellets roughly, But what would you recommend a
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  Speaker 3: double alt? Okay, there's some eight pellet reduced recoil tactical
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  Speaker 3: buckshot that Federal and Spear and a couple other companies
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  Speaker 3: make uses reduced power load, one less shot than standard
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  Speaker 3: and it doesn't kick bad and it's very effective.
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  Speaker 1: And we are back with Jade Johnson, co founder of
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  Speaker 1: the Talent Training Group and Talent Outdoors, where he and
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  Speaker 1: Charlie and a cast of characters is putting it very politely.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever think it would grow like that?
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  Speaker 3: No? No, I missed. I missed this last Saturday show.
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  Speaker 3: I got a last minute something I had to go
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  Speaker 3: do and couldn't be there for the show's first one
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  Speaker 3: I've missed in the history of the show that I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't there about that? Yeah, And everybody's amen, like, well,
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  Speaker 3: you always didn't listen to all the shows, so you
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  Speaker 3: didn't know. It wasn't something bad. I had to grab
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  Speaker 3: my new truck.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, it wasn't like you were you were on time
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  Speaker 1: out or anything. All right, we got a caller here
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  Speaker 1: standing by, and we've got an email question to get to.
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  Speaker 1: Will you're up, what's your question?
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  Speaker 4: Good morning, j D Pression. Thanks for taking my calling.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to go back to the topic of the
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  Speaker 4: burner the launcher. I do have a legal question. I
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  Speaker 4: have some unfortunate past decisions which makes me a convicted fellon.
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  Speaker 4: And I hear the advertisement stating that yes, you can
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  Speaker 4: carry it, but how does that stand for convicted selling
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  Speaker 4: and their ability to potentially protecting theirselves and their family.
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  Speaker 4: But there's some ornals of that or but it don't
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  Speaker 4: be considered weapon. Thanks Felling.
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  Speaker 3: I would if I were you, I would get a
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  Speaker 3: I have stayed at a holiday in express, but I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a lawyer. I would get a lead opinion. You can
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  Speaker 3: ask the the state attorneys or the ask the state
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  Speaker 3: Attorney's office, ask the Attorney General of the state of
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  Speaker 3: Florida get an opinion on it. It's my understanding that
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  Speaker 3: you are fine carrying it.
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  Speaker 1: I believe so too.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, in your case, that would be a viable,
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  Speaker 3: somewhat viable option. Since you can't have a gun, that
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  Speaker 3: would be a that would be a viable option for you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Jillan, You're welcome. I appreciate it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's see here, we've got an email question that came
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  Speaker 1: in here. Roger is writing in back to the twelve
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  Speaker 1: gauge question for home defense. What barrel length?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the maximum legal without a tax stamp is eighteen inches.
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  Speaker 3: Eighteen twenty inches is fine. Eighteen or twenty inch most
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  Speaker 3: of your your miniments. That's the yeah, And that's what
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  Speaker 3: I would recommend. It's easier to move around with it.
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  Speaker 3: It's not you know, a thirty inch long duck hunting
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  Speaker 3: shotgun that you know you can you can move around
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  Speaker 3: with an eighteen or twenty inch barrel gun.
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  Speaker 1: And we've talked about that a lot. That if you're
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  Speaker 1: if you're in your home and you're worried that somebody
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  Speaker 1: is in your home, being very very careful about how
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  Speaker 1: you clear your house with a long gun.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, because if you if the gun enters the room
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  Speaker 3: before you do and you haven't cleared the corners of
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  Speaker 3: the threshold on either side of the door. Uh, there
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  Speaker 3: may be a there may be a violent discussion over
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  Speaker 3: ownership of the firearm. At that point, you don't want
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  Speaker 3: to stick the gun out past your cover, is what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, where somebody can grab it and control the
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  Speaker 3: business end of it.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking earlier in the program in advance of
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  Speaker 1: our segment here JD and we talked about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: flashlights and gun mounted lights versus having one in your hand.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously, you know with a with a handgun, it
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  Speaker 1: would make sense to have a flashlight in your hand,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps to go around a corner and the look without
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  Speaker 1: putting your your fire out there. What about a shotgun, Well,
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  Speaker 1: how do you handle lighting up an area?
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  Speaker 3: I love a weapon mounted light on a shotgun because
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  Speaker 3: it takes two hands to operate. It takes two hands
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  Speaker 3: to operate the gun properly. With a handgun, it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: take two hands to operate the gun properly. So and
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  Speaker 3: I'm not opposed to weapon mounted lights on a firearm
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  Speaker 3: as long as I have a tactical small flashlight and
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  Speaker 3: I can shoot with a flashlight in one hand and
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  Speaker 3: a handgun and the other the absolutechniques for doing that,
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  Speaker 3: there's several different techniques for doing that, and they all work.
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  Speaker 3: But with a shotgun or a rifle for self defense purposes,
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  Speaker 3: a weapon mounted light is absolutely a necessity in my opinion. JD.
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  Speaker 1: Johnson with me of the Talent Training group again, you
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  Speaker 1: talk about a gift that keeps on giving. Get some training, people,
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  Speaker 1: give someone a gift card for some training and get
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  Speaker 1: out there and learn to be better and safer and
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  Speaker 1: able to protect yourself and your loved ones on that subject.
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  Speaker 1: While we're talking gift giving, which is kind of fun
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  Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit lighthearted, the fact of the
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  Speaker 1: matter is, as we talked in the break, there are
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  Speaker 1: more and more targeted shootings happening at private Christian schools unfortunately. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: And so my question to you, and I wrote down
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  Speaker 1: on my list here of things to ask you Kevlar
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  Speaker 1: for kids question mark.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some companies that make panels for backpacks that
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  Speaker 3: you can It's a ballistic panel that you can drop
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  Speaker 3: into a into a backpack. They're shaped like a backpack
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  Speaker 3: like most backpacks, and you could basically drop a soft
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  Speaker 3: soft armor panel into a backpack. And you know, over
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  Speaker 3: the summer, I went to New York City with my
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  Speaker 3: family and I grabbed a backpack out of the shop,
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  Speaker 3: dropped a panel in there, so at least I would
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  Speaker 3: have some defense, you know, some some kind of a
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  Speaker 3: defensive shield, if you will, that I could hold up
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  Speaker 3: on the if something was to happen with my family there.
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  Speaker 1: What panel? What one panel? What will it stop?
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  Speaker 3: The panels that the soft panels, the ones that are
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  Speaker 3: flexible and soft and that don't weigh a lot, they'll
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  Speaker 3: stop handgun rounds. I would say that if you I
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  Speaker 3: haven't tested this, it's you know, and I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you've seen the kids, but by the time kids
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  Speaker 3: get to middle school, they're carrying around these huge backpacks,
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  Speaker 3: the books. A panel with several books in there probably
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  Speaker 3: would stop a five five six round, two twenty three
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  Speaker 3: round out of an.
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  Speaker 1: It at least gives your child a chance there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to slow it down tremendously. You know,
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  Speaker 3: ballistic armor, soft body armor, kevlar, that kind of stuff
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  Speaker 3: not designed to stop rifle rounds. You have to have
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  Speaker 3: something hard, either ceramic or steel, to stop a rifle round.
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  Speaker 3: There's very or soft body armour would be so thick
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  Speaker 3: that it would be unwieled. Cumbers h Yeah, as far
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  Speaker 3: as wearable stuff for kids, I'm sure somebody probably makes
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  Speaker 3: it out there. I don't recommend. It's not uncomfortable. You
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  Speaker 3: don't want you don't want the kid to go to
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  Speaker 3: school every day wearing body armor. But those panels are
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  Speaker 3: are fairly light and fairly resilient. As far as stopping handgun.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and it would be something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's better than better than like I say all
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  Speaker 3: the time, it's better than a sharp stick. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, it would it would do something. And then
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  Speaker 3: you combine that with some thick history books or something
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  Speaker 3: like that, any any object you know. There in the
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  Speaker 3: gun world, there used to be a people would test
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  Speaker 3: AMMO by taking the big giant phone books. I know
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  Speaker 3: younger folks don't know what a phone book is, but
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  Speaker 3: you and I grew up. If you grew up in
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  Speaker 3: a big area, your phone book was several inches thick.
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  Speaker 3: Yes it was, and say a lot as a representative
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  Speaker 3: of ballistic performance from handguns. People would take phone books,
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  Speaker 3: soak them in water, get them wet, and then stack
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  Speaker 3: them up and see how many phone books your cartridge
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  Speaker 3: would go through or your bullet would go through as
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  Speaker 3: a as a and enough phone books will stop a bullet.
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  Speaker 3: There's a guy on the I saw a guy on
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  Speaker 3: Instagram the other day shooting Plato a big giant blow
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  Speaker 3: of a playto and it, you know, stopped the fifty BMG,
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  Speaker 3: a huge cartridge machine gun, you know, big fifty caliber
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  Speaker 3: machine gun with Plato. Now it took about thirty inches
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  Speaker 3: of plato sure to stop it, but it stopped it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, bullets are not bullets don't like hard objects.
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  Speaker 3: Soft objects slow them down really fast, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: at least you're minimizing the damage if it was to
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  Speaker 3: go all the way through.
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  Speaker 1: Final segment with J. D. Johnson of the Talent Training Group,
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  Speaker 1: and now we're kind of circling into gifts suggestions, and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: again not to freak anybody out, but there's a reality
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and a kevlar panel can slip into a backpack and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: it could make a differences. That's the whole point of
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: this show, trying to find ways to make a difference. Now,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: one way we can make a difference is advise mostly
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  Speaker 1: guys out there, don't buy your wife a gun without
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: some thought going into this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, or just don't buy your wife a gun at all.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Let her pick it out by your wife a gift certificate. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I have this discussion across the counter at the gun
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  Speaker 3: store on the regular, just about weekly. Two days ago,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: guy comes in, My wife wants a gun. I want
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: to buy my wife a gun? What about that one?
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: What about this one? I like, stop, yeah, just stop,
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  Speaker 3: and he kind of looks at it like, yeah, I'm
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I'm in the business of selling guns. It's not that
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I don't want to sell you a gun. Let your
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: wife choose it. Take her to the range, rent some
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: of the guns we have down there, try them out,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Let her make the decision. It is a very and
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I've always used this analogy. I wouldn't You don't pick
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: your wife's shoes or purses. You know, if you do,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: you might get lucky, or it might sit in the
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: closet and collect us because she doesn't like it and
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: doesn't have the doesn't want to tell you that hurt
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: your feelings that.
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  Speaker 1: You just notice after five years she's never put them on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So don't don't try to choose that. Just let
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  Speaker 3: her choose and facilitate it.
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  Speaker 1: Equally personal, if not even more personal? Is Holster same
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  Speaker 1: thing right? Gift card yep, Absolutely get people a gift
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  Speaker 1: card for that. What about the things that someone might
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: want to consider giving as a gift, a red dot
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: or a shot timer, or a cleaning kit or a
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: light or whatever, all of those things.
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  Speaker 3: It's all part of owning a gun, being able to
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: take care of it and clean it, maintain it, which
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: is not hard to do. We show people, We sit
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: there at the counter just about every day and show
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: people how to take care of their firearm. We don't
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: charge for that. We just do it because you need
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: to know. Lights, lasers, sights, all of those things are
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: make good gifts, you know, and they're something that most
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: people are gonna want.
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  Speaker 1: What about the targets that are out there? There are
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: paper targets obviously at the range, you have steel targets
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: available that people can can shoot at the bays that
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: are set up for that. But I'm hearing about targets
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: that are like they're made of this composite rubbery material
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that the bullet goes through it and disappears.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Most of those we don't allow because most of them
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: sit on the ground. And you take us this funny
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: looking ball thing and you throw it out there on
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: the ground and shoot it. We don't want you shooting
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: the ground. Yeah, there's too much of a potential of
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: that bullet hitting the ground and skipping and missing the
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: big pile of dirt that you're shooting. We want all
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: the bullets fired on the range to hit into that
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: big pile of dirt.
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  Speaker 1: What about people that have their own area, their own land,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: They've got a big plot of land, They've got their
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: own little shooting area back there. What are the types
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: of targets that are becoming Are there any that are
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: becoming more popular than.
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  Speaker 3: There's not that I know of. Those composite targets will
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: take a lot of rounds before they before they're unusable.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I've seen some of the some of the new composits there.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: But you know where you're hitting.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, if you go up there and examine it, sometimes
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: you'll see a little tiny you know, it makes a
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: little small dot on there. Yeah, I mean you can
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: there there. There's some viable alternatives. Steel is still a
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: very viable alternative. You just need to buy it. Don't
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: try to do it yourself. You want the steal our
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Steel targets are angled a certain way so that it
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: deflects the the broken apart bullet down into the ground
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: you can. If you angle them the wrong way, then
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you're creating a launching ramp and you don't know where
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: that bullet's gonna end up, and that's dangerous.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Is there anything coming out this season
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: that you think is interesting.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: In the gun world?
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  Speaker 4: Ye?
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  Speaker 3: Not really there, you know, there's there's really I haven't
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: seen there. There's some newer guns on the market. Smith
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: and Wesson's made a couple of really you know, new
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: guns in the in the recent past. The new Bodyguard
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: three eighty is a very small little gun that holds
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: twelve rounds of three eighty. That's a very compact, nice
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: little carry gun. We sell a lot of those. They've
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: redesigned the shield. It's called a shield X. Now that's
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: a slimmer grip. You know, there's there's some big stuff
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: coming from Glock, but it probably won't happen until the
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: first quarter next year.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Okay. Uh.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: The big the big thing right now is suppressers. Uh.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: It's it's a because the two hundred dollars tax stamp,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: the federal tax stamp, the registration stamp, whatever you want
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: to call it. The two hundred dollars is going away
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: January one, So we are currently selling a lot of
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: suppressors right now and holding them for folks that don't
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: want to pay the tax stamp. So we're holding on
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: to them until January gets here to submit the paperwork
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: because you right now, if you submit the paperwork is
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: two hundred bucks January second, because the first is the
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: holiday anywhary, second, the submission doesn't cost you the two
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars anymore. The process has stayed the same. Yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: and there's something to pay attention to Tomorrow Thursday. There
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: is several big important Second Amendment gun things coming up
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: from the Supreme Court. It's gonna be making some decisions
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: on some big gun stuff, the magazine capacity states that
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: have magazine capacity bands and semi auto weapon bands and
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. That stuff's finally made it. Hopefully we'll
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: be on their docket in the very near future to
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: make a final decision on Tomorrow's when they go and
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: examine it and see if they want to look at
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: the case.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: What's your confidence level if they take the case that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: they'll rule properly.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I think Clarence Thomas is gonna probably do There is
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: probably gonna make the docket and they're probably gonna rule
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: in the favor of gun ownership and against the states.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: They've already ruled against California on the ten round magazine
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: band send it back to the litwer court. They vacated it,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: sent it act.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think there's enough support in the whole court
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: for that.
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  Speaker 3: I think they only need five Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Justice Roberts isn't reliable to me.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: He's not, but he I think he's I don't see
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: how they can rule against it. Just put it that
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: way and not in it to be a constitutional decision.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: We'll see.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Hopefully it's six'.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Three, well, yeah the uh, so the the, court The
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: california law basically holds that the magazines for firearms are
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: not protected under The Second, amendment as if they're not
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: a part of the. Firearm, well it is an integral
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: part of the fire and doesn't work without. It Uh,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: SO i can't see logically how they would, say, uh you,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: know anything other than, yeah you're, Wrong. California they. Were
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: they were Told california they're wrong once And, CALIFORNIA i,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: mean here we are. Again so hopefully they'll hold their
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: feet to the fire and let's just be reasonable about.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Things you, know if somebody's gonna do something bad with the,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: gun they're gonna do something bad with the. Gun that's just.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Right they're gonna find a way to get. It they're
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: gonna do something.
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  Speaker 1: Bad thanks for coming in my. Pleasure Merry, Christmas Mery.
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  Speaker 1: Christmas Happy New.
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  Speaker 3: Year we'll be you next, Year, Yes SIR. J.
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  Speaker 1: D johnson with us from the talent training group talanrange dot.
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