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Tommy Pham joins FT after opting out of deal with the Orioles · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: All right, today's player guest is Tommy fam joining us
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  Speaker 1: right now. Tommy, it's been a minute. It's great to
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  Speaker 1: have you on. We always appreciate the time. I know
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out your next move. So how
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  Speaker 1: you doing right now? How you holding up?
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  Speaker 2: Mom?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good, Frustrated, a little bit of everything, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm at the same time, you just have to keep preparing,
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  Speaker 3: keep training, you know, for the next opportunity. You know, uh,
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  Speaker 3: preparation kind of always means opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, First of all, you you got no sleeves on.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we got it. Can we get a can
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  Speaker 4: we can we get a get a gun?
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  Speaker 2: Show man? Come on, I'm I'm in great shape. Let's
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  Speaker 2: just say that I'm in great.
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  Speaker 3: You guys, you know I've played with you and Cratzy,
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  Speaker 3: so so you guys know the type of condition and
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  Speaker 3: physicality I'm in.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt. There's no doubt. I know you
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  Speaker 4: when you were just a young pup and you were
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  Speaker 4: jack back then, and you're still jacked even though now
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  Speaker 4: you're you're unk now, so you're an unk. So what's
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  Speaker 4: it been like though? I mean, honestly, because you've had
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  Speaker 4: a You've had a nice career and you've done a
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  Speaker 4: lot of good things, and everyone that plays with you
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  Speaker 4: talks about what a good dude you are. And then
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  Speaker 4: here you are, has teams called, have teams called. I
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  Speaker 4: know you just opted out of the Oriols, but have
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  Speaker 4: teams called for you to come and say, hey, we
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  Speaker 4: need a spot somewhere on her outfield.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I opted out Friday, as you guys know, my
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  Speaker 3: my opt out day was June twelfth, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: basically the Orioles had till June twelfth to call me up.
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  Speaker 3: I started to find you know, you know, as a ballplayer,
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  Speaker 3: you know when once you once you find your rhythm
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  Speaker 3: and you feel like you're getting going. That day for
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  Speaker 3: me was not this past Sunday, of course, but the
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  Speaker 3: Sunday before.
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  Speaker 2: That's when I felt like.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that was the first day actually I squared up
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  Speaker 3: a fastball. That's when I knew like, okay, I'm I'm
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  Speaker 3: I'm getting there and I'm close. Then later on in
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  Speaker 3: the week I kept barreling up more fastball, so I
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  Speaker 3: knew I was ready.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I batted two hundred and triple A.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I was at home for a month
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  Speaker 3: basically just going to the cages. And you know, once
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  Speaker 3: I found my timing, I'm I'm I was good.
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  Speaker 2: I was I was better than the numbers showed.
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  Speaker 3: We do have teams interested right now because they they
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  Speaker 3: seem kind of how you know, I was starting to
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  Speaker 3: get going and and quite honestly, there's teams that need
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  Speaker 3: an outfielder right now. So you know, I'm i'm, I'm
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  Speaker 3: training hard, staying ready because I believe I could still
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  Speaker 3: help the team. Man, there's, uh, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: things that I've worked on, and there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: things I know I could still do and I just
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  Speaker 3: would love and not coportunity.
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  Speaker 5: Do you feel like that opportunity has to be Okay,
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  Speaker 5: go and try out again at Triple A basically how
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  Speaker 5: I know it's not a tryout, but essentially, as a player,
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  Speaker 5: you're trying to say, well, I am ready. Are you
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  Speaker 5: waiting for a big league deal? Are you waiting for
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  Speaker 5: a shorter opt out? Because last time was about a
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  Speaker 5: month long opt out that you had, Like are you
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  Speaker 5: looking for more like a hey, I'll go to Triple
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  Speaker 5: A for ten days? What is your preference besides yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm ready to go right to the big ones.
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  Speaker 3: I don't mind going to Triple A, to be honest
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  Speaker 3: with you, because you know, right now, essentially I haven't
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  Speaker 3: played since Friday, but I know I'm still ready. It's
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  Speaker 3: only been a few days, and I know I'm ready
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  Speaker 3: when I left. You guys gotta you, guys, gotta kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Fair with me right here.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't have a spring training this year.
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  Speaker 3: I signed an opening day with the Mets. Then I
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  Speaker 3: had about two weeks to get ready and I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: really I wasn't ready with the Mets. You know, my
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  Speaker 3: hand was kind of forced a little bit over there.
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  Speaker 3: And on the Mets, you know, I had four starts
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  Speaker 3: in two weeks considering you know, I didn't have a
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  Speaker 3: spring training. That's that's a little tough, you guys. You
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  Speaker 3: guys played. You guys know it. You know essentially, if
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  Speaker 3: you didn't have a spring training, how long do you
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  Speaker 3: think it would take, you know, you and AJ to
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  Speaker 3: get ready.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I agree. I want you to walk me
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  Speaker 4: through that because I always went to spring training. I
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  Speaker 4: never had that. So I want you to explain to
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  Speaker 4: people at home how hard that is because we see pictures,
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  Speaker 4: right Jordan Montgomery did it. There's a whole list of
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  Speaker 4: pictures and position players last few years that were free
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  Speaker 4: agents they signed late. Lake Snell, right. I think Matt
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  Speaker 4: Chapman was another one. There's a whole list of them
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  Speaker 4: that have signed late and then they struggle, struggle, and
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  Speaker 4: it takes them almost the whole year to get back
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  Speaker 4: to where they are. So is someone that now has
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  Speaker 4: done it explain how hard that is to get through
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  Speaker 4: without that six weeks of spring training.
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  Speaker 2: It's not impossible, but you're right, it's not easy.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty four when I signed late with the White Sox,
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  Speaker 3: I was flying to Cressey Spot in Florida every week.
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  Speaker 3: You know, basically they threw vibes on Friday. Every Friday.
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  Speaker 3: I was going out to Cresse's. This year, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: do that. I did it once and I got about
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  Speaker 3: ten at bats.
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  Speaker 2: When I was there.
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  Speaker 3: I faced Sureser, the Casey Corbin and what's his name
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  Speaker 3: on the Nationals Lttel. I faced those four guys and
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  Speaker 3: I remember doing that and I was so tired. I
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  Speaker 3: was just like, man, I'm not doing this this year.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not flying out to Cressy's because I'm I'm in Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, I'm not going coast to coast every week
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  Speaker 3: just to face live, and you know, I'm kind of
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  Speaker 3: on I'm on there the picture schedule. You know, if
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  Speaker 3: they through Friday, then you know their next live might
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  Speaker 3: be Wednesday. So uh, it's kind of hard for me
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  Speaker 3: to do that. So after that first live, and I
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  Speaker 3: believe it was late February when I did that, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't I didn't see another live pitch until I reported
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  Speaker 3: to the Mets spring training and you know, there I faced.
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  Speaker 3: I had five lives, five days of lives before I
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  Speaker 3: hopped in the Low A games and I played four
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  Speaker 3: low A games. You know what's funny, my first nine
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  Speaker 3: inning game was in the big leagues with the Mets.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't I didn't play a nine in
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  Speaker 3: game until I.
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  Speaker 2: Got to the big leagues.
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  Speaker 3: I played like, uh, I was building up, you know,
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  Speaker 3: five innings, five innings. Then I played at seven on
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  Speaker 3: that Saturday, and then the Sunday before I flew out,
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  Speaker 3: I played like four innings. So you know, I kind
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  Speaker 3: of laugh at that because I said, yay, my first
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  Speaker 3: nine innings was in the big leagues, in a big
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  Speaker 3: league game.
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  Speaker 2: But can physically I mean great. You know, I'm in
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  Speaker 2: great shape.
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  Speaker 3: It's just always getting your your your timing down and
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  Speaker 3: your rhythm as a hitter. You know, like, let me
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  Speaker 3: walk you through UH Triple A. Like I signed with
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  Speaker 3: the Orioles. I had two days in UH in Sarasota.
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  Speaker 2: The third day I showed up and they were like,
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  Speaker 2: we don't have any lives.
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  Speaker 3: And they told me the next lives were, you know,
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  Speaker 3: four days from that Friday. And when they told me that,
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  Speaker 3: they were like, you know, you could hop in extended
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  Speaker 3: games and extended games. Those those young studs, man, they
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  Speaker 3: throw a hundred and they don't necessarily know where it's going.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, you don't feel comfortable in the box,
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  Speaker 3: you know when someone like me, and the last thing
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  Speaker 3: you want to do is get hit and get hurt
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  Speaker 3: to where you know now you you know, you break
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  Speaker 3: a bone in your wrist or whatever from an errant
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  Speaker 3: throw and you're out. So I was just like, forget it,
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  Speaker 3: I'll go to Triple A. I said, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: first week might be ugly in Triple A because I
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  Speaker 3: haven't played in a month. But I said, once I
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  Speaker 3: get my timing, I'll be good. And you know it
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  Speaker 3: took me. Took me about seven games to finally, you know,
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  Speaker 3: get a better feel. Then once I got my fastball timing,
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  Speaker 3: I man, I felt way more comfortable at the plate
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  Speaker 3: because as a hitter, once you once you know you
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  Speaker 3: can't get beat by a fastball, everything else is easier.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can never get in the box and extended
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  Speaker 5: that's what. That's what Moran Davis, one of my one
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  Speaker 5: of my good friends from early in the days of playing, said,
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  Speaker 5: those are gunslingers. You can't be getting You can't be
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  Speaker 5: getting in the box with gunslingers.
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  Speaker 4: You never know if you're gonna get hit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, there was a kid he was throwing.
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  Speaker 3: He was throwing upper nineties to one hundred, and he
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  Speaker 3: threw two fastballs up and in for balls, and he
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  Speaker 3: was breaking off sliders for strikes lowing away, and I
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  Speaker 3: was just like, man, I don't I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: this is intentional or if you know. Right now, he
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  Speaker 3: just can't locate. He can't throw his heater for strikes,
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  Speaker 3: so it's uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 5: When you were at the Mets, you're talking about Okay,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't get enough at bats. I got the lives
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  Speaker 5: and then I got twelve and low A. Do you
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  Speaker 5: feel like you were able to communicate to the Mets
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  Speaker 5: you know what, I might not be ready here or
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  Speaker 5: is it one of those things that you're like, I'm
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  Speaker 5: a non roster guy, they're calling me up to the
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  Speaker 5: big leagues. I just got to try to figure it
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  Speaker 5: out on my own or was it something that you
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  Speaker 5: did communicate that with them?
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean kind of.
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  Speaker 3: How that phone call went with you know, my my
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  Speaker 3: agency and the Mets was you know, kind of like
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  Speaker 3: a force hand.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I thought I would find my time.
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  Speaker 3: I knew I wasn't quite there, but I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 3: from what they were telling my agency is you know,
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  Speaker 3: I was going to get a little bit of run
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  Speaker 3: and that that didn't necessarily happen. So, you know, to
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  Speaker 3: not to not fully have your timing and be put
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  Speaker 3: in a platoon.
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  Speaker 2: Situation is really tough. It's really tough, you know. But
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  Speaker 2: now I would say, now that I have my timing,
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  Speaker 2: being put in.
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  Speaker 3: A platoon sage situation would be a lot different because
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  Speaker 3: I'm you know, I have my I know, I have
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  Speaker 3: my fastball timing.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just you know, different circumstances.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, you got to remember when I joined
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  Speaker 3: the Mets, it was a situation where, you know, kind
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  Speaker 3: of panic mode. You know, we the team was kind
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  Speaker 3: of spiraling. You know, when I joined the Mets, we
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  Speaker 3: they might have lost you know, six of the past
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  Speaker 3: seven games something like that. And and you know I
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  Speaker 3: was a part of that that stretch where you know,
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  Speaker 3: we we lost twelve in a row. So it's just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, things happened just didn't work out for It
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  Speaker 3: didn't work out for me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, not right, not right spot, not right time.
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  Speaker 5: When you're seeing other right handed hitters in the outfield
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  Speaker 5: that teams need badly, what do you feel like teams
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  Speaker 5: are missing when they're going out and getting those guys.
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  Speaker 5: Not thrown shade at any one particular team or player,
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  Speaker 5: but what are they missing that you feel like you add.
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  Speaker 3: The game has changed in a sense from what I've seen.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I've talked to coaches about this. I mean
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  Speaker 3: even I even talked to you know, front offices. I
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  Speaker 3: asked them to be completely honest with me. Now there's
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  Speaker 3: team teams that are going into the season that just
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  Speaker 3: are saying, hey, you know, we're we're we're rebuilding. We're
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  Speaker 3: not looking to add because we're rebuilding.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know, you.
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  Speaker 3: See right now a lot of these rebuilding teams.
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  Speaker 2: Are actually playing really good.
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  Speaker 3: So if you look at that, what if they would
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  Speaker 3: have possibly added You know, because I'm a fan of
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  Speaker 3: the game at the end of the day, I love baseball,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I'm also a player. If every team
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  Speaker 3: was in it to win at the beginning and at
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  Speaker 3: the beginning of the off season, you know, how much
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  Speaker 3: better would would some of these teams be that are
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  Speaker 3: in first or second place in the division this year.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of this, too, is a byproduct of this
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  Speaker 3: current CBA.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of people, fans and people in the game really don't
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  Speaker 3: understand it. But you know, I've been at the negotiation
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  Speaker 3: table twice now with the owners. A lot of this
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  Speaker 3: is a byproduct of the CBA, and there's nothing really
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  Speaker 3: I can do until that gets fixed. You know, there's
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  Speaker 3: been you know, I've been a free agent since twenty two.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty two was my first year as a free agent.
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  Speaker 3: I've had teams tell me no in free agency that
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  Speaker 3: they're sticking, they're going to run with the young guy,
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  Speaker 3: which is perfectly fine, only for them to try to
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  Speaker 3: trade for me or trade for me at the deadline.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, just think about that, Tommy.
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  Speaker 4: What's the fix though, what's the fix? Because all we
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  Speaker 4: hear is salary cap and the young guys need to
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  Speaker 4: be paid more. And I've been fighting, I've said this
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  Speaker 4: for years that the middle class is kind of you
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  Speaker 4: have your top stars, and the more the minimum goes up, right,
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  Speaker 4: the more that the teams want to rely on the
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  Speaker 4: young guys. So you squeeze out that middle class, the
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  Speaker 4: veteran guy, the guys when I first came up to
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  Speaker 4: the fifteen year, ten year, twelve year vet that will
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  Speaker 4: pay play for it, you know's I'll use three million,
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  Speaker 4: four million, five whatever whatever that middle area is. But
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  Speaker 4: teams like we don't value that experience. We don't value that.
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  Speaker 4: We value paying a young guy seven hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 4: eight hundred grand and we'll pay our stars. So what's
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  Speaker 4: the fix. Is there a fix that can be found
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  Speaker 4: in the CBA that's up this year?
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  Speaker 3: I propose certain things last CBA man, and it was
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  Speaker 3: shot down. You know, that's something I'll talk to you guys, privately.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to dish out the players' problems.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I feel like I feel like the players
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  Speaker 3: lost a lot of leverage, you know, to be dead
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  Speaker 3: honest with you, you know, I've been there. I've seen
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  Speaker 3: the negotiations after the twenty sixteen season and after the
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one season. You know, things were really in
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  Speaker 3: the plalayer's hands, really in our favor, and we gave
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  Speaker 3: a lot of strengths up. So you know that they'll
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  Speaker 3: say that the game is going younger. What we're seeing
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  Speaker 3: now is more players are.
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  Speaker 2: Able to develop in the big leagues.
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  Speaker 3: You know, back in the day, when I came up
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  Speaker 3: in Triple from Triple A on the Cardinals, we were
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  Speaker 3: really developed.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: We we had to do a lot to get called up.
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  Speaker 3: And also when we got our opportunity in the big leagues,
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  Speaker 3: there wasn't much of a leash, you know, back in
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  Speaker 3: the day.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if I.
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  Speaker 3: Struggle for two weeks in the big leagues, I got
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  Speaker 3: sitting down. That's just that's just how it was back then.
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  Speaker 3: And today it's not necessarily like that. Guys have have
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  Speaker 3: such a long leash that you know, teams are willing
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  Speaker 3: to ride with that, and and I think I think
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  Speaker 3: it's costing wins as a as a veteran in the game.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's frustrating too because.
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  Speaker 3: Just think about you know, when I was on the
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  Speaker 3: White Sox, for instance, you know how many guys that
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  Speaker 3: we were calling guys up from Double A that weren't ready,
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  Speaker 3: And the coaches were frustrated about that that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because they knew that the kids weren't ready. So you
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  Speaker 3: would see guys get called up who weren't ready, then
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  Speaker 3: you know, you burn through their options. And now now
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  Speaker 3: these guys are are in Triple A without any options,
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  Speaker 3: and it's it's hard for them to get get back
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: into the league just from you know, circumstances. But it's
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: how it is, you know, you know, you ask how
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I can help a team. I feel like, you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: last year, I'm made humongous strides defensively, and I mean
• 18:22
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  Speaker 2: From the previous year.
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  Speaker 3: Then hitting, I control the strike zone really well and
• 18:32
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  Speaker 2: Only going to benefit me, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like I've made improvement with my swing
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: and vision that can only help me perform even better
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: in Triple A. Once I once I got everything down,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: you know, I hit four home runs in like the
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: past ten games. I'm I'm barreling the ball up like
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: crazy right now, and and I got my fastball timing,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm I'm ready.
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  Speaker 5: All right, there's one thing that Tommy fan wants to do,
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: and that's win. Did you see the whole Jose Camiero
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: thing with the pitch clock and him kind of manipulating
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: it and then the other team getting pissed.
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  Speaker 4: Did you see that?
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's his thing. You know, that's that's
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the only way I could put it. If if if
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: you don't like it, just just just get him out. Ultimately,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: success is the best revenge, you know, of course, it's
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: it's gonna it's gonna make one side of the of
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: the game mad more than the other. You know, just
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: if you don't like it, get him out.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it's kind of one of those
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: situations where you know, if a guy pimps the home run.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I get it. You know you're mad.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: But ultimately, you know, if you come back and he
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: strike him out and punt and get him out the
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: rest of the series, who has.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: The last laugh. It's one of those things.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Tommy. How many did you tap your helmet? You're in
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: triple A? How many times have you been doing this?
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: If you was hitting in the big leagues right now,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: with the zone as small as it is, how good
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: were you out of Did you get to tap your
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: helmet down a triple A? Very much?
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't do it just from the circumstance of the game,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Like I was mindful of that. There was one time
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: I wanted to do it, and it wouldn't have made
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: it a difference at all in the ad path.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: So I taken consideration that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Now, if if it was like a situation where I
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: felt like the umpire missed a call and i'm and
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: he punches me out.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Then that that that's that's different to me.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: But but altering the count, you know, from you know.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe one one or one oh to one one.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Or I'm sorry, one oh to two oh to one
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: one like that, that's not much of a difference in
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: triple A for me, like it, it has to be
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: a pretty obvious call missed, you know, like I'm seeing
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: guys tap their helmet and they're missing by point one
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: of an inch like that, that tells me, you truly.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Don't know the zone, you know, like, it has to
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: be a big miss for me.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: If the umpire misses by zero point one point two
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: of an inch, that come on, that's that's that's not
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: going to kill me, you know what I'm saying.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: But if it's a if it's a.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: A call where you know, I'm walking back to the
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: dugout or I'm getting on first, yeah, that then and
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: it's a big miss call you know, by zero point
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: five or you know greater that, then that's a difference
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: maker for me.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the point one is to me or luck? Right,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: You're like, literally, I mean that's just that's that's luck.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: That's literally you're flipping a coin and hoping.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I've seen so much of that then, I've seen so
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: many catchers on both sides have their helmet on balls,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, how are you tapping your.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Helmet on that? You're right playing at home plate?
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: You should see that perfect especially east to west, north
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: to south.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I could I could give you a little.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Bit more leniency, but east to west, like, how are
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: you you can't miss big east to west like you
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: should be able to see where the ball hits that corner.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: You're right behind the plate perfectly. Okay.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Sometimes we go blind, Tommy. Sometimes we just close our
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: eyes and we hope.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean well too.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: You know, these guys are throwing a hundred with movement now,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: So it's the game. The game is has gotten better
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: in a sense. The thing I did notice in triple
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: A is, uh, you know, it's kind of like back
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: back in the day. You know, whoever hits the fastball
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: the best, you know, that's that guy's a big league
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Whoever could hit the fastball and control the zone, that
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: guy's gonna have some success in the big leagues. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: what I saw was a lot of guys aren't doing
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: that in triple A.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Wow, okay, all right, we just yeah, we just had
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I know you played with with the Diamondbacks and could
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: tell Marte for a little while. But I have a
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: question for you. We had this conversation and there was
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: a report that he didn't play. He asked not to
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: play against Sotani. We had it cleared up a little
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: bit where he actually asked the night before and Tory said,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I'll play to night and I'll give you tomorrow off.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: You know, katl Marte, you played with him. Also, I
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: played with you, and you know, back when I played
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: with you, it was a different era, and if you
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: asked for a day off, guys were going to give
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: you a little bit of grief about it, right, They'd say, oh,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: you're scared to face this guy. You know, Matt Holliday
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: would have said, Hey, I don't want to play against
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Johnny Quato. You know somebody was gonna Wayne Ryder. Matt
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Hardoner is going to say, oh, man, what's the matter.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: You're scared of that guy. That's just the way things work, right,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Not not that he was, but you know how it is.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: So you know, kud tell Marte, give us your take
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: on ka tell Marte because it's a weird dynamic of
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: he's your best he can be your best player. He
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: could change the game of one swing. But I don't know.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: It's a weird dynamic for me.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, back and it was different. Man.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: If if if I asked to sit, you know it,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: they they assumed I was hurt. Now, you know, guys
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: get mental breaks to sit. You know, I wasn't brought
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: up that way. I had to learn to play herd
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: and I still play hurt. You know, that's just a
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: part of me now. Katl is a great friend of mine. Honestly,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: you know, he was the when when I got traded
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: over to Arizona. I would go over his house, you know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: just after a game, and you know we will spend
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: time together playing dominoes and doing whatever he his family
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: cooking for me. Like, we developed a really close relationship.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: So you know, I'm gonna be biased here because of
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: my relationship with Katel.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: He's a stud player.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: And if anything, you know, he's battled through a lot
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: of injuries in his past. You know, I would want
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: to make sure he's happy rather than than pissed off,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: you know, because you know, when he's right, he could
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: carry He could carry your team. He carried us that
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: that Philly series in uh in twenty three in the playoffs.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: You know, if it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: got past Philly.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: That's just the truth.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: The first five games none of us were hitting, but
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: could Tell could Tell carried us.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: He kept us in that series.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: So you know, the and and the seasons he's given
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: the Diamondbacks. If anything, man, I feel like the organization
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: owes him a lot.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I know, they just broke him off.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: So you could say, well, you know, we we paid
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: him for you know, what he's done. But the player
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: has always given more to the organization than the organization
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: gives to the player. That's just the way it works out.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: As athletes, you know, you're usually giving them back, you know,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: two to three x on the return than what they're
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: giving you.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a call. Yeah, I think.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Katel has has has given that organization way more.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can look it up.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: You know the seasons he's produced, It's given that organization
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: X amount of dollars. Because at the end of the day,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: this is a business and and and you we as
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: players and the fans have to always remember that this
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: is a business. The organizations are running this more soever
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: like a business, and you got to treat it that way.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: And I mean that that's just kind of kind of
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: where I am.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Being being home right now.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: It's it's not like, you know, I'm I'm worth I'm
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: going to cost the organization a lot of money. You know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I was signed for one point too with the Orioles,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: and and that's a that is pro rated.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: So what what would I get half for that?
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm basically I'm paying for playing for minimum right now.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I think that is extremely.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Valuable as well for someone like me, you know, knowing
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: how many teams right now need an outfielder and and
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: how how little bargaining and I have, So just that's
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: just something to throw in.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: By the way, you can be biased about a former teammate,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: I listen, if he's your friend, I want That's why
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I asked you the question, because you know him better
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: than I know him. You know him better and Eric
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: knows him, you know better than anybody. So if you
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: want to be biased towards a guy like him or
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: hate him, it's great to hear that you like this
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: guy and you know what he's all about. That's why
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: we asked the question.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: So thank you, and I mean it.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, man, it's just you know, as as a teammate,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: you know, when someone you know welcomes you over to
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: their home, you know, to eat and you know, spend
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: time with his family. That that says a lot to me.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: As for as a person, you know for.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, no, I've heard good things there so
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and he's a superstar, right And also yeah, for you, Tommy,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of teams that I mean watching games
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: every night. Can use some right handed hitting outfield help,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: so we'll be watching. We're hoping you latch back on.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing the story a little bit with us,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and we'll catch up with you soon. Really appreciate the.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Time you know that. Thanks fellas, thanks for having me.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: That's Tommy fam