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EP 43: Reality Transurfing with Owen Hunt, the Blue Collar Mystic · Crafted Connections

0:03
Katelyn: Hello, welcome to Crafted Connections.
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Katelyn: I'm Katelyn Calhoun, and this is a podcast all about storytelling and building genuine community.
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Katelyn: Here we'll dive into the art of storytelling, unpack strategies for making meaningful connections, and hear from incredible humans who are using their story to create impact.
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Katelyn: So grab your favorite beverage, settle in, and let's craft some connections.
0:27
Katelyn: Hello, welcome to the first episode of 2026.
0:34
Katelyn: I am so grateful you're here.
0:36
Katelyn: It's so exciting to say that phrase, the first episode of 2026.
0:41
Katelyn: I'm so proud of myself for kicking this off last year in April, and I'm even more proud of myself for still being here.
0:47
Katelyn: We've all done it.
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Katelyn: We've started creative projects, we've put ourselves out there, and consistency and longevity are not to be messed around with and not to be ignored, right?
0:58
Katelyn: So I first off want to take this moment and just celebrate being here and sticking with it.
1:05
Katelyn: And I hope you celebrate yourself as well because you deserve it.
1:09
Katelyn: It's it's a it's a good, good feeling because I promise you there were days that I didn't want to touch the thing.
1:16
Katelyn: There were days that I didn't want to be here on this mic, but thankfully there were more days that I wanted to be here than days that I didn't.
1:22
Katelyn: And and I'm just enjoying it.
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Katelyn: So I mean it from the bottom of my heart.
1:27
Katelyn: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Katelyn: And I'm so excited about what 2026 is gonna hold.
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Katelyn: I love a mystery, I love daydreaming, I love setting goals, and uh it's just it's gonna be a rocking, rockin' year.
1:39
Katelyn: So time to get started.
1:41
Katelyn: The interview I'm sharing you with you today took place uh about two weeks ago when I didn't have much of a voice.
1:47
Katelyn: Uh, you may have heard my intro two weeks ago, and I interviewed this wonderful fella, and I took it as a sign of like just you know, soaking up his knowledge and information.
1:57
Katelyn: Does that mean I didn't interrupt him at all?
1:59
Katelyn: No.
1:59
Katelyn: But I do think a lot of like wonderful gems came from this awesome human, Owen Hunt.
2:06
Katelyn: I met Owen on the interwebs, gosh, like two or three months ago.
2:10
Katelyn: We honestly don't even know each other that well, but I really love the way he shows up.
2:15
Katelyn: One in the community that I met him through is this this uh recurring accountability group all about making content.
2:22
Katelyn: And there's something about him that's just very, very magnetic.
2:26
Katelyn: And he just he shows up and he's there regularly and he's cheering other people on.
2:30
Katelyn: And I just was vibing with it, in addition to my curiosity around what he talks about a lot, which is called reality transurfing.
2:38
Katelyn: Never heard the term before coming across Owen.
2:41
Katelyn: And so I was like, ooh, I want to hear more about that.
2:44
Katelyn: And as I was doing research leading up to the episode, I was like, oh yeah, ooh, this is a perfect January one episode.
2:51
Katelyn: Because yes, it it has a lot of manifestation involved, right?
2:56
Katelyn: Uh, which I think is a beautiful January one topic.
2:59
Katelyn: But it's also very like, it's it's it's in a way that I've never experienced before.
3:04
Katelyn: And I think it's important that Owen is the one who defines it for you, right?
3:07
Katelyn: Because he's been studying it and reading about it much longer than I have.
3:10
Katelyn: But yes, him sharing kind of that during this episode is super lovely.
3:14
Katelyn: But overall, just a rockin' dude.
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Katelyn: Uh, he calls himself a blue-collar mystic, and he's a producer and a comedian, and just one of the most grounded folks I've met in a while.
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Katelyn: So I think you'll really take a lot from our conversation and everything that Owen has to share.
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Katelyn: So please enjoy.
3:30
Katelyn: Happy New Year.
3:32
Katelyn: Let's go, kids.
3:34
Katelyn: Owen, thank you so much.
3:39
Katelyn: It's my first time actually like meeting you, right?
3:42
Katelyn: As and vice versa.
3:43
Katelyn: So it's really exciting to meet in this way.
3:46
Katelyn: Um, that's kind of the whole premise behind the pod, is to like capture the coffee meetings that I've had and built my career over.
3:52
Katelyn: And those connections lead to like such beautiful relationships and beautiful like projects and cool stuff.
3:57
Katelyn: So so excited.
3:59
Katelyn: Can you tell me and and the people listening a little bit about yourself?
4:03
Owen: Yeah, sure.
4:04
Owen: So I am a curious person just by nature, and I have kind of had a fascination for personal development just through my own experience.
4:15
Owen: I kind of went through a couple of dark nights of the soul.
4:18
Owen: It's funny that I thought there would only be one, and that helped me to put together some frameworks and systems to kind of pull myself out and you know, and to find ways to kind of like simplify some of the concepts and ideas that I found in some of these like kind of highly esoteric and abstract spiritual books to help to sort of hand deliver those ideas to people.
4:40
Owen: So I kind of consider myself a blue-collar mystic, uh, meaning, you know, I like to take things and make them practical and useful so that people can immediately apply them.
4:50
Owen: And I if I had a superpower, I guess that'd be it.
4:52
Owen: White collar wizard would probably be a little more lucrative.
4:56
Owen: But
4:57
Katelyn: Yeah, sure, sure.
4:58
Katelyn: Yeah, but there's also there's like the community aspect and then making sure that people are like able to thrive in what you're doing and building and not so much just treating people like they're a funnel and this, that, and the other, but just like actually making sure that like what you're doing is making an impact and in a way that feels good to you.
5:12
Katelyn: And I freaking love that.
5:14
Katelyn: I also love how you, and I think you touched on this a second ago, but like the grounded nature behind what you do, right?
5:19
Katelyn: And can you speak to like where that comes from and and what that's all rooted in, right?
5:24
Katelyn: Because I also am a intense like consumer of self-help books.
5:28
Katelyn: I always have been.
5:29
Katelyn: Like you give me a novel, it takes me like years to read, but a self-help book I can read in the weekend.
5:33
Katelyn: And so but they can be a little bit lofty, right?
5:36
Katelyn: And like you said, esoteric.
5:38
Katelyn: So how do you like ground them and like actually implement?
5:40
Owen: Yeah, I grew up in West Georgia.
5:42
Owen: You know, my grandfather told me when I graduated high school that uh having a diploma from high school didn't make me any smarter.
5:50
Katelyn: Nice. He had things to say.
5:54
Owen: He was a hilarious guy, like he didn't mean anything personal by it, and it was actually a really good point because honestly, some of the most successful people I know dropped out of high school.
6:03
Owen: I even have a client who's dropping out of high school to pursue his own business right now.
6:07
Owen: He's 17 years old, and I'm like, dude, and his parents are cool with it, you know what I mean?
6:11
Owen: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
6:12
Katelyn: Yeah, you're like just like telling minors to drop out of school.
6:15
Katelyn: That's Owen.
6:16
Owen: Yeah, I'm not giving like, you know, life advice uh on the whole to just anybody here or going against you know family's wishes or anything.
6:23
Owen: But yeah, so I I think everyone's spiritual, everyone has the capacity to connect to their own inner sense of well-being, their own inner authority, and what's really true for them.
6:36
Owen: And that's what I want to guide people to.
6:39
Owen: And regardless of what your background is or how smart you are, you know, I think the reality transforming book kind of attracts a lot of cerebral types.
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Owen: So I'm really fortunate to get to know a lot of people who are very smart, right?
6:53
Owen: And um, and so there's a lot of like skeptics that are really smart, and I think that that's wise.
6:59
Owen: I think it's smart to be skeptical of the information that is just being purveyed.
7:04
Owen: But I think what that particular book and what my approach is is to kind of like massage the mind and give it some peace to just calm down, you know, just relax a little bit and open up and allow the heart to just kind of take the lead on things.
7:20
Owen: And the mind's amazing, not to you know, discount it at all, but uh it's a really good logistician, it's a really good co-pilot.
7:27
Owen: And really, when it comes down to who we really are and what it is that we're here to do, I believe everyone has a purpose.
7:34
Owen: I think it would be ridiculous to come here with no purpose, you know, and find what that is, and then you know, the heart and mind can start to work together and collaborate as opposed to like for my most of my life, they were very much at odds and I did not know that they could be in alignment.
7:50
Katelyn: Very cool.
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Katelyn: And so to there's so much to dig into there, but let's kind of define reality transurfing.
7:56
Katelyn: I on I have not read the book, and I had never honestly heard the term until you and I connected in uh content club.
8:02
Katelyn: So can you give like a brief overview to kind of define it?
8:05
Katelyn: And this is audio only, but uh Owen just lifted up his chunky monkey book.
8:09
Katelyn: Is it really that thick, or did you make it that thick by bookmarking?
8:12
Owen: No, no.
8:12
Owen: I mean, well, there's some pages in here that are like notes or something, but
8:16
Katelyn: Got it, got it, got it.
8:16
Katelyn: Yeah, but it's that thick.
8:18
Owen: Yeah, it's 900.
8:19
Katelyn: Ooooh okay.
8:19
Katelyn: That makes sense why your book club is what it is coming up.
8:22
Katelyn: But we'll we'll talk about the book club in a second.
8:24
Katelyn: But can you define the actual like term, the book, all that jazz?
8:29
Owen: Yeah, so this dude in Russia wrote this book in the early 2000s.
8:33
Owen: His name's Vadim Zeland.
8:34
Owen: He's a quantum physicist.
8:36
Owen: So, really smart guy, you know, really intellectual and and and tech savvy.
8:42
Owen: And basically, what he says is that everything that we know that exists in the physical world, it comes from infinity, or what he calls the space of variations.
8:51
Owen: So this really helped me, this idea, because like the dream world or the mental world or the Akashic records, there's all these different terms.
9:00
Owen: The world of the mental world, the world where ideas live and come from, everything already exists over there, right?
9:06
Owen: Like eternity, I guess, is a term that religion has used for so so long.
9:11
Owen: And so everything already exists.
9:14
Owen: So whatever it is that you want, whatever it is that you want to be, it exists over there somewhere.
9:19
Owen: Now, obviously, there's a limitation to what can be brought into the physical world.
9:24
Owen: Like we have specific laws and principles that kind of govern the way that the physical world operates, right?
9:30
Owen: They're called physics.
9:32
Owen: And he uses that even as an example of how things materialize into the world.
9:37
Owen: So, you know, there's a lot of this idea about manifesting and stuff like that.
9:41
Owen: I try and not use that word as much because I think it just gets thrown around a lot and I don't know that it's defined that well.
9:48
Owen: But the idea of reality transurfing is that from that alternative space or the space of variations or infinity or the Akashic Records or Dream World or whatever, that we can basically bring into materialization what it is that we truly want.
10:04
Owen: And we do that through intention by aligning our heart and mind and taking action toward it.
10:10
Owen: So it's a it's a mixture of both.
10:12
Owen: It's not that you just lay on the couch and visualize a check and it comes in the mail, right?
10:16
Owen: It's not that.
10:17
Owen: And also, you know, it's really about being fulfilled and finding a true goal for you.
10:24
Owen: So he says that when you find your true goal, it makes your life a celebration.
10:29
Owen: And it's not about necessarily attaining the goal that makes your life a celebration, it's just that's why they say, oh, it's not the destination, it's the journey, right?
10:40
Owen: But you wouldn't be excited about the journey if you weren't going somewhere.
10:43
Owen: So it's it's sort of that that idea.
10:45
Owen: It allows you to strive for something bigger, but also arrive while you're doing it.
10:50
Owen: And so that's the gist of the book.
10:54
Owen: And it goes into much, much deeper like nuance and all that kind of stuff we could talk about.
10:59
Katelyn: But yeah, yeah.
11:00
Katelyn: It's a thick book that you described in two minutes.
11:02
Katelyn: Well done.
11:03
Katelyn: Well done.
11:03
Katelyn: So to go back to your experiences of what you phrase is dark nights of the soul, right?
11:07
Katelyn: Like, we all have those experiences, and I always find that those connect you more to spirituality.
11:12
Katelyn: It's like you gotta get clicked.
11:13
Katelyn: So, do you have any thoughts on that and like what those experiences were like?
11:16
Katelyn: And you're like, Yes, I do.
11:18
Owen: Yeah, unfortunately, I have lots of thoughts on them.
11:21
Owen: I don't I wish I understood it better, but I'm trying to kind of like reframe pain as spiritual, you know, because like I think there's a lot of bypassing in the community, you know, and I get that, right?
11:33
Owen: Like, we want to have things go smoothly, we want to have success, we want to get our goals met, we want whatever things and objects and material stuff that we want.
11:41
Owen: And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
11:43
Owen: There's no reason to feel ashamed about wanting things.
11:46
Owen: Again, I think we're here for a reason.
11:48
Owen: But you know, I think that's alchemy too that when we go through certain parts of life, it changes us.
11:55
Owen: And most of the time, those are the moments that really shape us and turn us into who we really, really are.
12:02
Owen: You know, it's often the difficult things, the challenges.
12:05
Owen: You know, if if you were watching a movie and someone just had it up easy street the whole time, you'd be like, this is the most boring movie I've ever seen.
12:12
Katelyn: Right, right.
12:13
Katelyn: There's a reason that doesn't, yeah.
12:15
Owen: Right.
12:15
Owen: There's gotta be a hero's journey.
12:16
Owen: And so because of that, we've got to go into the abyss, into the unknown, and we've got to face challenges and we've got to transform and change.
12:24
Owen: And then that's really why I'm learning to focus on, you know, reframing spirituality as you know, pain as being spiritual and those experiences that really shape us and kind of force us to grow and decide, those are really something I think that if we can open up some aperture, we can but you know, begin to appreciate them somewhat.
12:47
Katelyn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:47
Katelyn: Almost welcome them a little bit because I do, I feel like I've heard spiritual bypass over the last, you know, four years or so as I've gotten more and more into all this stuff.
12:55
Katelyn: And I mean, actually, would you mind defining it spiritual bypassing?
12:58
Katelyn: I but I think the way you just described it in conjunction with pain clicked something in my own brain just now.
13:04
Katelyn: So I'd love if you could define spiritual bypassing a little bit for folks and then we can dig into my question.
13:09
Owen: Yeah, for sure.
13:10
Owen: So I like I think spirituality as a practice is really about integration.
13:15
Owen: And so I had compartmentalized certain aspects of my life.
13:19
Owen: So for instance, I think part of the reason why I started to pursue stand-up comedy and do comedy was because I couldn't really live in a place where both of those worlds, spirituality and being positive, right?
13:31
Owen: And being like, oh no, everything's going great, right?
13:33
Owen: Like this fake, like, you know, sort of veneer that gets kind of thrown over your despicable life.
13:40
Owen: You can't pay your bills, you you know, nothing is working, but you paint it as if everything's fine.
13:46
Owen: Oh, you act as if and you manifest it, it's gonna be fine, blah, blah, blah.
13:50
Owen: And then, you know, to me, comedy, it kind of focuses on the negative, it's like picking apart the things that are kind of wrong with the world.
13:57
Owen: So because I was living one foot in each one of those worlds, it forced me to kind of like integrate those things and to be honest and to say, look, this isn't working, and it's okay that it's not working.
14:09
Owen: Like the way to be positive about that is to say, this is a lesson, it's teaching me something, it's teaching me to be stronger, it's teaching me to be more resilient, it's teaching me to be more resourceful, you know, it's teaching me to just be a better version of myself because ultimately, when you get to the end of the book, it's not about and this is what but this is what all marketing tells us stay the same, get the result.
14:29
Owen: Right.
14:30
Owen: But when we get to the end of this book, it's like the world is a mirror and it reflects your relationship to it.
14:36
Owen: So if we want our results to be different, we can't do keep taking the same actions and be the same person.
14:43
Owen: So, like my friend Lehman says, if I want to trim my beard, I don't shave the mirror.
14:49
Katelyn: Right.
14:49
Katelyn: Oh wow, that's wonderful.
14:50
Katelyn: Okay, so so many things.
14:51
Katelyn: I wanna I wanna point out I love the framing of comedy in there.
14:55
Katelyn: Yeah, you're totally right.
14:56
Katelyn: Like comedy, they highlight the negative, but they bring light to it, right?
15:00
Katelyn: But it's so, but it's living together.
15:02
Katelyn: And it's it is a such a beautiful art in that way.
15:05
Katelyn: And then, and I always kind of see spiritual bypassing as very performative.
15:09
Katelyn: You're like, no, no, no, I I learned the lesson.
15:11
Katelyn: So now I get the treat, right?
15:13
Katelyn: And it's like, no, no, you're not ready, or like whatever, right?
15:16
Katelyn: But but I love how you you positioned that within comedy and how like that was your experience, kind of learning, okay, maybe this is what it actually looks like.
15:24
Katelyn: It's not just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, everything's good.
15:27
Katelyn: When you look at your account and you're like, oh, she's in the negative.
15:29
Katelyn: That's not fun.
15:30
Katelyn: We laugh because we both have video production backgrounds, and it is, and that's something personally.
15:35
Katelyn: I'm like trying to like get past the like those, like those big dumps of cash and then no cash, big dumps of cash and no cash, which is very much like a contract.
15:42
Katelyn: Like you're you get a job, you get thousands of dollars, you have to like spread it out.
15:47
Katelyn: It's it's very dysregulating.
15:49
Katelyn: It's a whole experience.
15:50
Katelyn: I know you know it because you've been there, done that, and then you're like, we're gonna do this instead.
15:55
Owen: Yeah, it took me a long time to figure this stuff out.
15:57
Owen: I'm not that smart.
15:58
Owen: Like that's the first thing that I would like to just put out there.
16:00
Katelyn: Even though, you know, you're like, I got this high school degree, grandpa.
16:03
Katelyn: Watch out.
16:04
Owen: Totally graduated college, and my grandfather was exactly right when he told me not any smarter, you know.
16:11
Speaker: So it doesn't give you anything, right?
16:13
Speaker: Like it, it's like it, yes, yes, and no, but you like ultimately it's not like cool, I got the I checked it off.
16:19
Speaker: Now I'm fine for life.
16:20
Speaker: That's not it.
16:22
Owen: Yeah.
16:22
Owen: And so, you know, it took me a long time to understand that, is what I'm trying to say, right?
16:25
Owen: Like a lot of the things that you know, I feel so silly sometimes because a lot of the things that are maybe even common knowledge, like it takes me a while, I'm a little bit late to the party.
16:34
Owen: So I definitely have felt that way a lot.
16:37
Owen: And the spiritual bypassing thing was one of those things for me because you know, I literally had such a different no, oh, oh no, I can't like think a negative thought or say anything.
16:48
Owen: Every affirmation, every thought I have is gonna come true.
16:51
Owen: And it's like, look, you can't keep secrets from the universe.
16:54
Owen: You know what I'm saying?
16:55
Owen: Like we try to hide, we do this thing where we like try to hide like what we really think and feel, and it just it doesn't work like that.
17:03
Owen: And I think what where a lot of people go wrong, and I've definitely done this, is like we put these limitations on ourselves and we think, oh, well, if I act like X, Y, and Z, then I'll get the result.
17:16
Owen: And so we put these like standards in place for ourselves.
17:19
Owen: And then, you know, if we don't, you know, make this standard, then we won't allow ourselves to have the thing that we want.
17:27
Owen: But like look at like all the degenerates who get like materially speaking, only right, they get all the stuff, right?
17:33
Owen: Like they've got all the stuff, but they don't care, right?
17:36
Owen: Like they're still in the bathroom stall on Friday night, midnight, you know what I mean, just partying it up.
17:41
Owen: And so regardless of like how moral or immoral, those things don't really matter.
17:46
Owen: What really matters is like our attitude with ourself and our ability to be honest and like really dig in to what we think, feel, and really believe to be true.
17:57
Katelyn: What is your approach to that now then?
17:58
Katelyn: And what lessons did you learn along the way to kind of develop that approach?
18:02
Katelyn: Because I know you definitely like have like methods that you use and ways you work with your people and your community.
18:07
Katelyn: So can you kind of share a little bit of that?
18:10
Owen: Yeah, I have learned a lot about just specifically taking action, like sometimes even blind action.
18:17
Owen: And I love visualization too.
18:19
Owen: I want to couple it with visualization because I think visual visualization is really, really helpful.
18:23
Owen: And that helps us understand like and deepen our why.
18:27
Owen: And it's like the deeper your reason why goes, the more motivated you're gonna be, the more resilient, the stronger you're gonna be.
18:34
Owen: All those things.
18:35
Owen: So visualization helps to kind of like see what it is that you want, maybe ask those questions like, well, why do I want this?
18:41
Owen: Like honestly, why?
18:43
Owen: Is it because of status?
18:44
Owen: Is it because people think I'm cool?
18:47
Owen: Is it because I, you know, have a taste for this?
18:50
Owen: You know, is it because I want to, you know, take care of my family, like whatever it is.
18:53
Owen: No answer is wrong within that space.
18:57
Owen: And then from there, it's like, okay, well, I'm gonna go and I'm just going to take an action.
19:01
Owen: I don't know if this action will have any result.
19:04
Owen: But back to the Bhagavad Gita, and you know, so many books like dovetail into the reality transurfing book.
19:10
Owen: I want to say that.
19:11
Owen: But it's like in the Bhagavad Gita, which is the oldest book ever written in human history, where you know, this guy talks to God, basically, in human form and asks him every question that you wanted to ask God, it's already been asked and answered.
19:26
Owen: And so he says basically that you are entitled to the action, but not the fruit of the action.
19:33
Owen: So that means that we uh are able to take steps in the direction of what our goal is.
19:40
Owen: And when that it's not an outcome-dependent step in that direction, all that neediness, all that clinginess, all that attachment, as they call it in Buddhism in reality transurfing calls it importance because like the more that you put something on a pedestal, the more important it is, and now it's out of alignment with you because you've created this distortion in the reality field.
20:03
Owen: Everything's
20:03
Katelyn: Right, because you put it on a higher level than you, right?
20:06
Owen: Yeah, everything's equal.
20:07
Owen: It's all zero, right?
20:08
Owen: Like a zero is unconditional love, you can do whatever you want, you know, every and everything is equal, basically.
20:15
Owen: And but we put this value judgment on it, and it's like, oh, okay, now it's up here or down here, right?
20:23
Owen: And that creates excess potential in one direction or the other, and then ultimately we block ourselves from getting what it is that we want because it's so important to us.
20:32
Owen: So we want wanting, more or less.
20:34
Owen: It's okay to want something, you still want something to get it, but like when it becomes this like idealized thing that's oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:42
Katelyn: Like untouchable, yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:45
Owen: Then that's kind of yeah, then that's kind of like that's the dynamic that's at play there.
20:49
Owen: So by taking action in the direction of your goal, you'll get feedback from taking the action, and then you just iterate on that.
20:59
Owen: If you didn't take the action, if you didn't make the mistake, if you didn't screw up, then you wouldn't know the next thing to do.
21:05
Owen: I can't tell you how many mistakes I've made.
21:06
Owen: It's just countless.
21:08
Owen: And you know, one of the things that he says in the book, too, and I repeat it all the time, is like you have to allow yourself the freedom to make mistakes.
21:15
Owen: That's just part of it.
21:17
Katelyn: Yeah, totally.
21:17
Katelyn: And and failure as you know, an another word for mistake, right?
21:21
Katelyn: Of course.
21:22
Katelyn: I don't want to lose the plot where with the with the blind action and the fact that it's not just about sitting, you know, and thinking and wishing for something.
21:30
Katelyn: But I I do want to dig in with you a little bit more about visualization because I have always kind of struggled with visualization, and it wasn't until someone was like, it's like mental rehearsal, like Michael Phelps, like you know, practiced his swimming in his mind.
21:44
Katelyn: And then when he ended up getting like, like I think at the Olympics, he got water in his goggle, but he like had mentally rehearsed it so much, right?
21:51
Katelyn: So can you just give me a little bit more flavor on the or more information on visualization?
21:56
Katelyn: Because I'm always trying to find more like support so that I can.
21:59
Katelyn: And like, you know, get my butt in the chair and like figure out that feedback in that space.
22:04
Katelyn: And then I do want to dig more into blind action too.
22:06
Owen: Yeah.
22:07
Owen: So I think visualization is extremely powerful.
22:09
Owen: You know, I'm from Atlanta, Georgia.
22:11
Owen: And in the 90s, the there were the World Series, the Braves, and all these pitchers.
22:15
Owen: You had Tom Glavine and John Smoltz and all these really good pitchers back in those days.
22:21
Owen: And they were working with a specific sports psychologist.
22:23
Owen: And all sports psychology is pretty derivative from Maxwell Maltz's work, who was Salvador Dalí's coach.
22:30
Owen: Cool.
22:31
Owen: So yeah, which is awesome.
22:33
Katelyn: No, I also love how you're like this person, this person, like and how it all like, and it's just like, you know, and I, you know, you're well known for just your intense consumption of books.
22:41
Katelyn: So I think it's really fun to see you spew it out, right?
22:44
Katelyn: I read things and forget them.
22:45
Katelyn: So it's very impressive.
22:47
Katelyn: Go ahead.
22:48
Owen: I I'm a walking mind map, I guess.
22:50
Owen: Love that.
22:51
Owen: Yeah, yeah.
22:52
Owen: But Maxwell Maltz is like the most adorable man, too.
22:55
Owen: Like if you watch his interviews on YouTube, you just will fall in love with him.
22:59
Owen: He's so sweet and sincere.
23:00
Owen: He was a surgeon.
23:01
Owen: I don't want to get too far off, but he was a surgeon, and then he would fix people's appearance after they'd be in a wreck or something like that, like a plastic surgery.
23:09
Owen: And then they would still have the same problems because of their self-image.
23:13
Owen: So he learned that particular thing, and he started creating visualization exercises that he would share with people so that they could basically hear the heal their self-image.
23:25
Katelyn: And that can be like applied to everything in anyone.
23:28
Owen: Like I'm just like, Yeah, it really can.
23:30
Owen: And whatever it is that you're looking to accomplish, like especially like high performers, people in sports, you know, people who are leaders, they're in CEO positions, things like that.
23:40
Owen: Mental rehearsal is is very powerful because it can kind of train your nervous system.
23:46
Owen: Your mind doesn't really, I don't know.
23:48
Owen: They say your mind doesn't know the difference.
23:49
Owen: I think it knows somewhat of the difference between like actually doing it and visualizing it.
23:54
Owen: Like, I'm not gonna get a six-pack from visualizing kind of sit-ups, dude.
23:58
Owen: It's just not gonna happen.
24:00
Owen: But we're dreaming, you know?
24:03
Owen: Yeah, I love that.
24:03
Owen: Right, right.
24:04
Owen: But what does happen is with the more that you visualize something, you're basically communicating to your subconscious mind and you're giving it images that it can feed on.
24:14
Owen: So you'll start taking different decisions and different actions based on or feeding to your subconscious mind.
24:20
Owen: Like Neville Goddard, I'll pick another one out, talks about how the feeling is the secret.
24:24
Owen: And so what that means is you create this image, Vedeem calls it a slide in reality transurfing, but you create this image and you see this image so clearly, and you program this image in your mind, you see it, you you see the richness, you feel it, you smell it, all those things, right?
24:41
Owen: Like all the senses, the more senses that are engaged, the more real it becomes.
24:45
Owen: And that is the message to the subconscious mind.
24:48
Owen: And then the subconscious mind will start to move in that direction.
24:51
Owen: One of the analogies is like your conscious mind is like the rider, and your subconscious mind is like the elephant that it's sitting on top of.
24:58
Katelyn: Okay, got it.
24:59
Katelyn: Oh, yeah, right.
25:00
Katelyn: Okay.
25:01
Owen: So if you have like a carrot or I don't know, what does an elephant eat?
25:04
Owen: Probably I don't know.
25:06
Katelyn: I uh are they known for peanuts?
25:07
Katelyn: Is that right?
25:08
Katelyn: You have a bag of peanuts.
25:09
Katelyn: Just because this is circus, yeah.
25:12
Owen: Yeah, right.
25:12
Owen: Circus peanuts.
25:13
Owen: But uh, you hang it over, you know, this the tusk.
25:17
Owen: Yeah.
25:17
Owen: Uh and and it like it.
25:20
Katelyn: You mean the trunk?
25:20
Katelyn: Is it the tusk?
25:22
Katelyn: Uh this is this is actually now a podcast on elephant anatomy.
25:25
Katelyn: Thank you so much for joining us.
25:27
Katelyn: It's great.
25:28
Katelyn: Okay,
25:29
Owen: like you're so smart, but you're not.
25:30
Katelyn: So you're entice you're enticing this elephant.
25:32
Katelyn: Let's go.
25:33
Katelyn: Right.
25:33
Katelyn: You know, you're like, hey, hey, you can smell them.
25:35
Owen: You know, exactly, exactly.
25:36
Owen: But it moves slowly, like it's not gonna take a direct right turn.
25:40
Katelyn: Right.
25:40
Katelyn: Oh, yeah.
25:41
Katelyn: Okay, okay, yeah.
25:42
Katelyn: Yeah, and I think sometimes we expect or we're told, like in some again, in marketing, right?
25:47
Katelyn: It's like it's gonna happen so fast, you know, or like and it doesn't, but it's also okay.
25:52
Katelyn: And and you also if you wouldn't be able to handle it if it did.
25:56
Katelyn: And I like I've experienced that.
25:58
Katelyn: And I am curious, are you willing to share any of your like own stories, uh, rock bottom and like and then like the that turn?
26:05
Katelyn: Because I I'd love to like apply story to this, or feel free if like if you've got like examples or you can change names or whatever, that's also okay.
26:13
Katelyn: I just like want to give like an actual like we're talking about visualization, and so I want to like give people like story examples as well.
26:22
Owen: Yeah, so there's this guy, his name is definitely not Owen.
26:25
Katelyn: A friend of mine named Bowen.
26:29
Owen: Right, exactly.
26:30
Owen: So one example, uh I I've done a I've you know, I've I've improved a lot, you know, this whole idea of like in infinite selves, like whether it's you know, you want to like bank on that or not, like for me, it it gave so much possibility to who I could become because I'm like, well, if this version of me exists out there already, then I just need to start doing the things that that version does.
26:57
Owen: And so that's what I started doing and taking action, not just visualizing, but visualizing for sure.
27:03
Katelyn: Right, which then digs us back to what we were talking about.
27:05
Katelyn: Yes.
27:05
Katelyn: So as far as blind action goes, right?
27:07
Katelyn: I've I've heard the phrase aligned action time and time again.
27:12
Katelyn: And I what is is there a difference between blind action and aligned action?
27:16
Owen: I think so, yeah.
27:17
Owen: I think there absolutely is.
27:18
Owen: I think the only way to learn what aligned action feels like for you, because it's completely subjective, is to take enough blind action, overwhelming amounts of action, until you start to feel what that feels like.
27:32
Owen: And so Bhagavad Gita calls it inspired action, you know, it's kind of the same thing.
27:37
Owen: And I and I don't think there's necessarily a formula for it other than look, take so much action that you overwhelm your mind by taking so much action.
27:45
Owen: So an example would be like, okay, well, I'm gonna send out an email and I send out one email to somebody for a podcast appearance or something.
27:52
Owen: And then I sit here and I wait and I wait by the computer and I stare at my email and I'm putting more and more importance and tension and over the thing.
28:00
Katelyn: And it's yeah, it's like it's becoming, you know, a apart from you the more you just sit with it.
28:04
Katelyn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:05
Owen: Yeah, but I mean, if I just send out 30 or 40 and forget about the first one, then the likelihood that one of those is gonna come back really, really good.
28:13
Owen: And so you can kind of trust your intuition to begin to guide you.
28:17
Owen: And that to me, that's what inspired or aligned action is.
28:20
Owen: It's when you're like taking an intuitive action.
28:23
Owen: And I would say that there's very often like very little hesitation.
28:26
Owen: Like, I don't know if you have you ever like connected with somebody and you just like you just knew they were a match for you.
28:31
Owen: Yeah.
28:32
Owen: I can't say why.
28:37
Owen: There's no like justification for this.
28:39
Owen: I'm just like a track.
28:40
Katelyn: Or like, yeah, or like, yeah, your best buddies in 30 seconds, and you're like, where did this come from?
28:44
Katelyn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:44
Katelyn: No, for sure.
28:45
Owen: Exactly.
28:45
Owen: Exactly.
28:46
Katelyn: And but it's also, I mean, I almost like are like think like it's almost like collecting data points, right?
28:51
Katelyn: And I think often where the blind action is missing in the conversation because you you're like, okay, it needs to be aligned.
28:58
Katelyn: I need to feel it, it needs to feel right.
28:59
Katelyn: But it's like, you know, you'll learn what feels right, what doesn't feel right by just taking action and trying things and and iterating and experimenting.
29:06
Katelyn: So very cool, very, very cool.
29:08
Owen: Yeah, the spirit doesn't hesitate.
29:10
Owen: Like that's the mind.
29:12
Owen: The mind does that.
29:13
Owen: So that caught me caught me up because I'm kind of cerebral, you know.
29:17
Owen: So it's like I could easily sit here and give like a bunch of reasons why not to do something, and then I can easily talk myself out of it.
29:26
Owen: I know no one else has that.
29:28
Katelyn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:30
Owen: But I mean, so from from there, and then what I think the visualization can do, and one of the experiences that I had, I wanted to do comedy, and I was like really excited about it when I started to do it.
29:41
Owen: The first time I did it, I did it just as an experiment and to see if I would like it.
29:45
Owen: And so I did enjoy it, and it was something that I wanted to do.
29:47
Owen: Well, within I think like 18 months of starting doing comedy, someone hit me up, an old friend of mine.
29:54
Owen: I didn't even know he was doing comedy, and he was like, Hey, dude, I'm doing MCing on this cruise ship.
29:59
Owen: Do you want to come and be an MC on this cruise ship?
30:02
Owen: We're doing like impractical jokers and kiss and like all this stuff.
30:05
Owen: So I got so much experience in my time MCing, and then I got to do stand-up comedy with like Chris DeStefano and like uh Sarah Talamosh and all these like amazing comedians on the ship and get to meet them all, you know, Big J Okerson.
30:21
Owen: I mean, I could just go on, like all the all these comedians, and so I it's like, how did I even wind up in this position?
30:26
Owen: I didn't even know it was possible.
30:28
Owen: I didn't even know that there were cruise ships where there were people doing this stuff, right?
30:33
Owen: And so, what was I visualizing?
30:35
Owen: I was visualizing myself like performing in like a real venue because when you first start out with comedy, you're just doing open mics, it's just other comedians there.
30:44
Owen: They just want to stab you in the parking lot, especially if you're funny.
30:47
Owen: And so, like, you know, you're just like kind of evading and dip, dodge, diving, around, and trying to get experience, but you can't do any crowd work, you're not getting any real audience feedback.
30:59
Owen: There, the the you know, a lot of times the comedians will intentionally not laugh at you, you know, on stage.
31:06
Owen: It's really tough.
31:07
Owen: It's really tough.
31:08
Katelyn: Yeah.
31:09
Katelyn: And the thing is, you don't hear about those stages.
31:12
Katelyn: And again, we're I feel like we're doing that that micro step after the visualization, right?
31:16
Katelyn: Because you don't hear about that when you when you're listening to like a famous comedian talk on a podcast, they're like, Yeah, yeah, it sucks when the crowd doesn't respond.
31:23
Katelyn: You're like, what if the crowd intentionally doesn't want to talk like because they hate you because they're also doing what you do and there's competition and wow, and so it's it is it's like that micro step and like getting your eye open to that.
31:35
Owen: Yeah, no, I mean you just it's just taking that action and then doing the visualization, and then very often a door will open that's unexpected, right?
31:43
Owen: Like that's kind of the interesting thing about visualization, is at least in my experience, and now I've had a few people argue with me about this, but most people I I think it's been their experience too.
31:52
Owen: It's like nothing ever looks exactly like how you see it in your mind.
31:56
Owen: We want to like have this like perfect, the mind just like has this perfect like outcome in its mind, like this person's gonna be here, and then then they're gonna say this, and then I'm gonna have this perfect comeback.
32:05
Owen: And it's like it never has for me.
32:08
Katelyn: It's all about the comebacks, yeah.
32:09
Owen: Right.
32:09
Owen: It's never for me gone like that, right?
32:12
Owen: But if I can visualize it and feel what that feels like, I have had that feeling and experienced that, you know, in a in a setting that's maybe slightly different.
32:23
Owen: So when I was visualizing myself doing comedy in a front of a real audience, I wasn't visualizing myself doing it on a cruise ship in a month.
32:30
Owen: Yeah, had no idea.
32:33
Owen: So, you know, it didn't matter to me though.
32:35
Owen: It was awesome and scary, and I was super nervous and uh, you know, all the great you know things that I expected to kind of happen, you know, those all happened while I was doing that.
32:44
Katelyn: Very cool.
32:45
Katelyn: Okay, very, very cool.
32:46
Katelyn: Great if somebody visualizes something, it works out perfectly.
32:49
Katelyn: I know they there's like talk of Beyoncé, like everything, every you know, thread and this, that, and the other in her costuming, and she have she's imagined the whole thing, right?
32:57
Katelyn: But like, you know, not all of us are Beyoncé, and that's okay.
33:00
Katelyn: And like we can just take those baby steps.
33:02
Katelyn: And I I think this goes back to like the magic of like what you do in in this work, which is like grounding it so that everybody it can be for everybody.
33:12
Katelyn: And can you speak to that and your philosophy there as far as like spirituality, what it looks like for spirituality to be for everybody?
33:19
Owen: Yeah, I think it's a practice, right?
33:22
Owen: Like, that's why it's called a spiritual practice.
33:24
Owen: And so so many people will watch one manifestation video and be like, this doesn't work.
33:29
Owen: I tried it for 10 seconds, meh, and it's like, dude, like, have you done any research?
33:35
Owen: Have you tried anything?
33:37
Owen: Do you know how long it takes to like like I got really lucky with the comedy thing, you know, to be able to do what I did, but you know, still it takes 10 years.
33:45
Owen: It takes 10 years to master anything.
33:48
Owen: And so comedy is no different than tennis, right?
33:51
Owen: It's like people practice a freaking overhand serve for years and years and years before they get it right.
33:58
Owen: So, why would spirituality and manifestation be any different?
34:03
Owen: Now, I believe that we're equipped naturally with these tools and they basically get socially conditioned out of us when we're kids.
34:10
Owen: Like, like if I if I taught a five or six-year-old this, they'd be like, Yeah, we know.
34:15
Owen: Duh.
34:16
Katelyn: I mean, there was, I feel like one of my nephews one time was like, I have a Pikachu.
34:20
Katelyn: I have a Pikachu, and he kept like just saying, I have a Pikachu toy, and then all of a sudden, like somebody bought it for him, or like it was just like so like, and they just like they do.
34:28
Katelyn: They just like they're like, nah, I'm gonna have that.
34:30
Katelyn: That's what what's up.
34:31
Katelyn: And it's you know, and that's material example, right?
34:34
Katelyn: But just like it just it's so simple.
34:36
Katelyn: I work with um a sound woman like once a month, and and she always talks about how like both children and and animals are just so attuned to like the vibrations, and because they just don't have that can conditioning that we do necessarily, yeah.
34:49
Owen: Yeah, I think that's really interesting.
34:51
Owen: One of the things that I kind of have recently come to a conclusion of and learned about is like this all this logic and cerebral brain stuff is secondary, right?
35:01
Owen: Like we're we're primarily like emotional, like primitive beings.
35:06
Owen: So the the mammals, you know, children who haven't really formed words yet, or like they're picking up so much more on the emotionality, and they're pinging off the room and like feeling the the vibes.
35:19
Owen: I mean, whatever.
35:20
Katelyn: They're vibing, those babies out there.
35:23
Owen: It's maybe a little cliche, but it's but it's absolutely true.
35:27
Owen: And then, you know, we get in our heads, you know, like the more masculine, you know, sort of sort of thing, right?
35:34
Owen: Especially like if we're doing business all the time or you know, making systems or spreadsheets or whatever.
35:39
Owen: And then, you know, we get into this brain logic mode, and we kind of get more and more disconnected from that, you know, initial like essence that we are.
35:49
Owen: So I think there's an intuitive ability that we come into the world with, and then as we develop and start to become more and more cerebral and self-identified in the mind, the more that we kind of like lose those those skills.
36:04
Owen: So I think we have to practice them and re-bring them back into our you know, our awareness and our practice to be able to get to get this stuff down.
36:13
Owen: So I think that's why a lot of people who are like skeptical are like, oh, it doesn't work or whatever.
36:17
Owen: It's like, dude, you sat down for 10 minutes, you visualized something in negative all day.
36:23
Owen: Yeah, exactly.
36:24
Owen: And then you you you complained and you know, bitched and pitched a fish about
36:31
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37:46
Katelyn: We've conversed a lot about kind of relationship with self in regards to spirituality in this work.
37:54
Katelyn: And I know you do a lot of things in community too.
37:56
Katelyn: So can you speak to like what it looks like once we are kind of working with ourselves and have our own practice?
38:02
Katelyn: What does it look like to then start engaging with others and you know, do that kind of work?
38:06
Katelyn: Because you know, you wouldn't have ended up on that cruise ship if it weren't for your buddy, right?
38:10
Katelyn: And how did you connect with your buddy?
38:11
Katelyn: And and so, like, I don't know, like would you mind speaking to the community behind this this spiritual work?
38:16
Owen: Yeah, so a lot of my buddy that sent, I sent I sent a Marco Polo back in the day was the video app where you could see the video message.
38:24
Katelyn: I mean, this is like your your Vox or your WhatsApp voice notes of of its time.
38:28
Katelyn: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:29
Owen: Back in the day, dude.
38:30
Owen: But yeah, I sent him just a I just felt like back to the idea of inspired action, right?
38:34
Owen: Like I just felt like I should send Terry a video message.
38:38
Owen: I'm in this weird, I was working on a Netflix show and I was in this weird hospital.
38:43
Owen: And for some reason, I'm like, I should send a video message to Terry.
38:46
Owen: So I sent completely unrelated, by the way.
38:49
Owen: And then he sent me the message back to hey, dude, do you want to hop on this cruise ship and be an MC?
38:54
Owen: I got this other thing going on and I can't do it, and I think you'd be great.
38:58
Owen: So I knew him from production.
39:01
Owen: We worked together at Coachella, he was on Vans Warp tour, he was a roadie, and just a just a magnanimous person.
39:08
Owen: And there was like such a community of people who were so fun in production.
39:11
Owen: I'm sure you've been around many, many.
39:14
Katelyn: It it becomes a family for sure, and you get real tight with your production peeps for sure.
39:18
Owen: Yeah, yeah.
39:18
Owen: And he was just so fun.
39:20
Owen: And there were so many other people around us in that group, and I saw you know how they kind of navigated life and what their community and their what their life was like.
39:29
Owen: And uh, and that made me realize that there was something more.
39:31
Owen: And so when I found some of these books, particularly the reality transfer when I'm like, these guys are just doing this, they just don't know that they're doing it, right?
39:39
Owen: Like they're just you know, subconsciously doing it.
39:42
Owen: And so there was such a camaraderie and such a such a great community there with them based on these principles, that to me, it was a really good reference point of what could be built, you know, outside of that.
39:58
Owen: And so I have a school community, we have like almost 3,000 people in it as of today, which I'm really grateful for.
40:05
Owen: And I had built a couple of online communities before when I was doing coaching and uh, you know, a couple of years ago as well.
40:12
Owen: And so I've learned a lot, but I made a lot of mistakes, you know.
40:17
Owen: I've learned how how like one sour person can really sully the vibe for everybody.
40:23
Owen: So you've got to like watch out for that, but you can't be like heavy-handed either.
40:28
Owen: If you're like an authoritarian, then people will feel stifled and they'll feel like they aren't able to express themselves in the community.
40:36
Owen: So it's a bit of a delicate balance, and it brings me to one of the ideas in the book that's called pendulums.
40:41
Owen: You know, you maybe have seen, you know, a swinging pendulum.
40:44
Owen: It's the idea is that energy is basically being collected and it it it kind of clusters.
40:52
Owen: And so whenever there's a specific group that's formed, there's an energy that they all sort of attach themselves to, and he would call it an adherent.
41:03
Owen: So think of anything like a football team, you know, corporate culture, organized religion, whatever, right?
41:09
Owen: Like they all form pendulums and people start to act on behalf of that energetic structure and not their own individual identity or sense of self, right?
41:18
Owen: Like even in a production forum, it's like, hey, we're working on you know, bad trip and come on, guys, like we're part of this team.
41:24
Owen: And it's like you know and you feel and you have that sense within you whether you're doing something that is really gonna benefit that group or if you're working outside of its interests.
41:33
Owen: And so we have this energetic
41:35
Katelyn: Totally.
41:36
Katelyn: But I will I just want to say, like, when I had an overlap between kind of starting to do energetic work and I was still on set a lot, I was like, Oh, the director's job is to manage the energy here.
41:44
Katelyn: Like it's their job to like make sure that like you were saying, like, if someone's gonna sully the experience, it's uh it does affect like the final product in in my experience.
41:56
Owen: Yeah, oh yeah, it definitely does.
41:58
Owen: Like your energy comes through on that email that you're so needy about.
42:01
Owen: Like, I don't know why that is, but it just is.
42:03
Owen: I you make people think it's woo-woo, whatever.
42:06
Owen: I don't care, like I know it's true, right?
42:09
Owen: You can still feel it and it affects it, yeah.
42:11
Owen: You're gonna get a response.
42:12
Owen: But yeah, so being conscious of that idea that energy systems are formed in a group, that's the biggest leverage point because then you can be like, okay, cool.
42:25
Owen: Like, I'm not like a cult works because people don't know that there's an energy.
42:31
Katelyn: That's I was like, I was like, let's make a differentiation before we get off this call.
42:35
Katelyn: Yeah.
42:36
Owen: Right, right, right.
42:38
Owen: When you do know and you're intentionally contributing to this energy, but you're aware of it, now you can manage your relationship to it.
42:44
Owen: So it's like, hey, you know, I'm part of this group, here are my boundaries, and I'm willing to engage this much.
42:51
Owen: And if I get that much back, then it's worth it.
42:54
Owen: I'm getting a return on my investment of energy.
42:56
Owen: Now, if the pendulum sucks all my energy away, then obviously that's not a good ROI.
43:03
Owen: And what really blew my mind here though, because I found this book in 2016 when crazy things really started to happen that I couldn't have been able to otherwise explain, is that positive energy and negative energy both push the pendulum.
43:16
Owen: And that's why I like this analogy so much.
43:18
Owen: Because you have people who are adherents, and then you have people who are against the thing too.
43:23
Owen: They're actually adherents too, they just don't know it, but they're hating on the thing, and then these people are like loving on the thing, and it's pushing and pulling the energy back and forth.
43:32
Owen: And the more that it pushes and pulls it back and forth, the more it swings, the more momentum it gets, and the more adherence it gets overall, right?
43:39
Owen: So it just starts drawing more people in through positivity or negativity.
43:44
Owen: So if you know how to leverage either of those, that's why a controversial clickbait post works so well, right?
43:50
Owen: People start commenting and arguing in the comments, right?
43:54
Katelyn: Yeah, yeah.
43:54
Katelyn: And it blows it up.
43:56
Owen: So passionate about pineapple on pizza or whatever, you know.
43:59
Katelyn: Right.
44:00
Katelyn: That's a great, that's like the classic like like example that doesn't really hurt anyone to just like throw that out there to be like, we can all calm down, just don't order it.
44:10
Katelyn: But still people will be like, what?
44:12
Owen: Yes.
44:13
Owen: Yeah.
44:13
Owen: So I've learned a lot about groups and group dynamics through that.
44:17
Owen: And then, you know, of course, you read the leadership books, you read tribal leadership, you know, you read
44:21
Katelyn: Oh, yeah, but until you're in practice, you know, like which goes back to the the blind act or the blind action, right?
44:26
Katelyn: Like it's just you can like read all the leadership books, but until you're actually implementing and like you, like you said, making mistakes.
44:32
Katelyn: It like it you don't know.
44:34
Owen: Yeah, it's it's awesome though, like because when you have a group of people who understand this concept and they're intentional about it, then they can create what he talks about in the book is a wave of fortune.
44:46
Owen: There's another book called The Winner Effect that's really, really good too.
44:50
Owen: And it's basically the scientific expression of the idea of the wave of fortune.
44:54
Owen: So if you've ever seen someone who is so lucky and they just kept getting wins, you know, like
44:59
Katelyn: Is it the winner W-I-N-N-E-R?
45:02
Owen: Yes, yes, that's right.
45:04
Owen: Yeah, so basically it changes the chemistry in the brain.
45:06
Owen: And what he says in that book is that the IQ of a group can be higher than any of its participants.
45:13
Katelyn: Oh, yeah.
45:14
Owen: Which is why I need a group.
45:15
Owen: I need a group.
45:16
Owen: I gotta have it, bro.
45:19
Katelyn: That's not the moral of this episode, okay?
45:22
Owen: Right.
45:22
Owen: Gotta have a group to, you know, to help, you know, compensate.
45:26
Owen: But but no, the point is like when people really contribute and they're focused on a common goal and they know that they're part of that thing, they're part of that pendulum, then they have the freedom to engage as what works for them.
45:39
Owen: They don't feel obligated.
45:41
Owen: The pendulum strings are guilt, duty, and obligation.
45:44
Owen: So if ever you're in a situation where someone you feel manipulated, you feel like you have to have a sense of duty to go and do this thing for Christmas, or there's an obligation, you're not a good citizen if you don't sign up for this thing or whatever, that is the pendulum.
46:00
Owen: That's not coming from an unconditional loving place, because then you'd be like, hey, you know, I love this person, I want to go see them because I love them, and that's why.
46:07
Owen: But when it's like guilt, when it's duty, when it's obligation, that is that pendulum, that energetic thought form, egregore, like whatever term people prefer.
46:18
Owen: There's tons of terms for those things.
46:20
Owen: You know, but I like the idea of pendulum just because it illustrates the positive and negative.
46:24
Owen: But that's what that thing is, is like drawing you into its energy, and then you start to work on behalf of it.
46:30
Owen: And then now you start to lose your identity because you're like so committed to that larger structure.
46:37
Katelyn: So, but in this, we're we're kind of talking about okay, like like the the ways that it can go and how it can be very supportive in a lot of ways, but then you also have to be careful to not lose yourself in that like energetic cluster.
46:52
Owen: Yeah.
46:52
Owen: Yeah, that's exactly right.
46:54
Owen: And I would say that every object has an energy on the other side in that like mind of everything, right?
47:01
Owen: And so the more people that pay attention to any thing, the more energy that thing gets, whether it's positive energy or negative energy.
47:09
Owen: And so it starts to get more and more momentum in the public consciousness, right?
47:14
Owen: Whatever that thing is.
47:15
Owen: If it's like a trend on TikTok, you know, people are gonna hate it, people are gonna love it, but the more that people pay attention to it, the more momentum it gets, the more it just kind of speeds up and becomes more in the public consciousness.
47:27
Owen: So if we you know, if we want to like slow something down, we just basically, you know, take our energy and attention away from it and then shift it to something else.
47:36
Owen: Ideally, something productive, something that helps other people instead of fighting against, because fighting against anything, and I was like really into like social justice and stuff in college, but this whole concept really changed the way that I approach that because it's like me fighting against the power is really me.
47:54
Owen: It will it just like helps to establish them as the power, you know,
47:59
Katelyn: Right, right, right.
48:00
Owen: I'm I'm like confirming it, you know what I mean?
48:03
Katelyn: Right, right, no, that makes total sense.
48:04
Katelyn: So, like people are still thinking though, about like, you know, as a to go back to like energetic clusters, there's something about the beginning of the year and people wanting to make change and and that being like just a like a group think thing.
48:17
Katelyn: I would love for you to share like if people like want to just like get started and start playing with energy or playing with the concepts we've talked about today, how would you kind of advise them to do that as we're you know diving into 2026?
48:29
Owen: No, I'm I'm really excited for 2026.
48:31
Owen: I think a lot of people are asking these types of questions and they're looking inside more.
48:37
Owen: And I mean, I think that's really the shift is like from outer authority and capitulation to the pendulum to inner authority and what's right for you.
48:45
Owen: You know, what is it that you really feel?
48:47
Owen: What's your what's your constitution, your credo, your belief set, your belief system, your reality tunnel that you want to enforce?
48:54
Owen: Because what I would say is take a checklist of what your values are and what you believe in and really, really ask that question deeply.
49:03
Owen: Take some time with it and form your vision of the world around that.
49:08
Owen: And if something doesn't fall into your value set, cut it.
49:11
Owen: Like just get rid of it completely because it's not helping you.
49:16
Owen: You know, you're never gonna be able to fix someone else.
49:19
Owen: It's just never gonna happen.
49:20
Owen: So the best thing to do is just focus on what is important to you, what you care about, and begin to focus your energy and attention on that.
49:30
Owen: And then that creates like kind of your own pendulum.
49:32
Owen: And then, you know, you're really passionate and exuberant and excited, and that energy is very noticeable to people, even on a subconscious level.
49:42
Owen: So they'll start to kind of work into your world and be like, yo, what's going on with you?
49:47
Owen: Like, what's different about you?
49:48
Owen: And then you kind of you know become a firefly in the in the in the darkness or whatever, and and that's a great way to lead just by example and just doing what it is that you firmly believe in and think is a positive, ideally, right?
50:02
Owen: Like win-win, not just not just like selfish stuff.
50:06
Owen: I mean, I I think it there's nothing wrong with wanting what you want, right?
50:09
Owen: But like ideally, this is like something that's positive for you and for the rest of the world too.
50:15
Katelyn: Totally, totally.
50:16
Katelyn: Well, and at some point, like once you get what everything you want, you're gonna be like, oh, okay, what else what can I do for the world, right?
50:22
Katelyn: Like I do think there's a like a level at my um my partner and I, we always joke about like if we won the lottery and like this, that and the other, right?
50:30
Katelyn: And and there is a threshold, right?
50:32
Katelyn: Like at some point, you're gonna be fine.
50:34
Katelyn: Uh and and maybe you already are fine, right?
50:36
Katelyn: But okay, to go back, that was so beautiful and so succinct and wonderful.
50:41
Katelyn: And I think it is like the best kind of like little tidbit for people to like take on, take on your year, you know?
50:47
Katelyn: And uh, I'm so excited.
50:48
Katelyn: But do you uh want to share with people uh where they can find you and and uh how they can connect with you, Owen?
50:55
Owen: Yeah, my home address is um
50:57
Katelyn: Right, right, right, right, right, right.
50:58
Katelyn: Right.
51:00
Katelyn: And his his safe code is take it all.
51:04
Katelyn: It's all good.
51:05
Owen: The door's wide open.
51:06
Owen: I don't lock it up.
51:06
Owen: 100%.
51:07
Owen: Um no, uh so you can find me anywhere @bootsygreenwood.
51:10
Owen: That's what I go by.
51:12
Owen: Owen Hunt was taken already by some guy on Grey's Anatomy on the TV show.
51:17
Owen: So I use my stripper name as instead.
51:21
Owen: So Bootsy Greenwood, social media, Instagram, YouTube, LinkedIn too.
51:26
Owen: Some I'm over there.
51:27
Owen: Yeah, I have all of those things.
51:29
Owen: So yeah, if if people are interested, I strongly recommend checking out our school group.
51:33
Owen: We've done a lot of work to cultivate a great energy and a really cool culture there.
51:37
Owen: Today is actually WINSnesday, W-I-N-S WINSday, where we share our wins every Wednesday.
51:43
Owen: And so, really excited.
51:45
Owen: It's such a fun way to kind of hype everybody up and build this intentional energy because everyone starts to feed off of it.
51:51
Owen: And we try to focus on the actions that we're taking as opposed to the results.
51:54
Owen: It's like I reached out to a hundred people today, or you know, I did, you know, I walked to 10,000 steps, whatever that is for you, right?
52:02
Owen: As opposed to it being an outcome-based goal.
52:05
Owen: I think a process is so much stronger.
52:07
Owen: And that's what I try and help people design for themselves is a process because that's bomb proof.
52:13
Owen: So yeah, so if you want to find me, that was a lot of words to say.
52:16
Owen: Bootsy Greenwood, B-O-O-T-S-Y.
52:19
Katelyn: Nice.
52:19
Katelyn: Um, that I was gonna ask where uh where Bootsy Greenwood came from, but that makes total sense.
52:24
Katelyn: And and then it did click this morning.
52:25
Katelyn: I was like, oh yeah, Owen Hunt is a character on Grace Anatomy, but he's actually a character in real life in Georgia.
52:30
Katelyn: So we love him for that.
52:32
Katelyn: We love him for that.
52:33
Katelyn: Thank you so much for your time today.
52:34
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52:48
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52:55
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