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Wired To Hunt Podcast #181: Will Primos Talks the Rut, the South, and Calling Deer · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one one, and
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Speaker 1: today we are joined by Will Primos and we're discussing
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Speaker 1: the white tail rout calling strategies for deer hunting the South,
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Speaker 1: and a whole lot more. All right, welcome to the
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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sit to Gear,
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Speaker 1: and today we are in four a treat. Uh not
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Speaker 1: as I'm saying this, I'm thinking like stupid cheesy Halloween jokes,
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Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna make a Halloween joke. We are
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Speaker 1: in for a treat today because we are joined by
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Speaker 1: the one and only Will Promos And uh, Will really
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Speaker 1: really doesn't need any introduction at all, but I'll give
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Speaker 1: a very brief one anyways. Will is the founder of
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Speaker 1: Primos Game Calls. He's the host of Premost Truth About
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Speaker 1: the Hunting, Truth About Hunting TV show, and he's one
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Speaker 1: of the leading voices in the deer hunting community. And
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Speaker 1: today we're actually I actually recorded this interview with Will
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Speaker 1: um a couple of days ago and in that conversation,
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Speaker 1: we talked about the white tail rut. We talked about
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Speaker 1: calling strategies for deer, We talked about hunting white tails
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Speaker 1: in the South, We talked about using train features, the
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Speaker 1: future of deer hunting, all sorts of interesting things like that.
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Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, Um, since I do know
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Speaker 1: how it all went, I can I can say that
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Speaker 1: I think this one is really good. Uh. Will is
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Speaker 1: just somebody that at least I could listen to talk
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Speaker 1: or tell stories for for just hours. He's a really
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Speaker 1: enjoyable person to to spend some time with. So I
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Speaker 1: think you really enjoy this one. But before we get
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Speaker 1: to our conversation with Will, we need to take our
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Speaker 1: weekly you know, our weekly introbs session pregame show extravaganza.
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Speaker 1: We need to take a few minutes to do that,
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Speaker 1: especially because at this time of the year, what that
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Speaker 1: usually means is that we get to talk about how
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Speaker 1: our hunts have been going. And uh, that's that's the
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Speaker 1: game plan for for tonight, right Dan, that's right. I
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Speaker 1: want to apologize for not being able to make it
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Speaker 1: to the Will premost interview, but I was balls deep
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Speaker 1: in diapers. That sounds like a really a horrible visualization. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, we had that. We had to do
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Speaker 1: a funky timing for this one to record it. And
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Speaker 1: and you are super busy these days with the seventeen
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Speaker 1: kids you have, right, Yeah, it feels like seventeen kids.
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Speaker 1: It also feels like I run a prison some days.
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Speaker 1: What are you doing with these kids? Uh? Well, they're
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Speaker 1: the wardens. They tell me what to do basically, and
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Speaker 1: I'm the inmate. I see, I have a lot to learn,
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Speaker 1: I guess. Oh, man, I asked my I asked my
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Speaker 1: uncle one day. I said, hey, man, what's the what's
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Speaker 1: the trick to raising kids? And he said, oh, you
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Speaker 1: just gotta ignore them? And I you know what, I
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Speaker 1: started thinking about that the more the longer I have kids,
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Speaker 1: the more I realized that that is a serious thing
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Speaker 1: you have to at times you have to just ignore them. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I can see that there's some truth to that, because
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Speaker 1: I mean, shoot, look at someone like look at our generation,
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Speaker 1: the millennials. We got so much attention all the time
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Speaker 1: for everything, and now everyone's so you know, over you. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: everybody's what's the word I'm looking for? And so much entitlement.
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Speaker 1: Everything should be about me? That might be because we
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Speaker 1: didn't get ignored enough. So we need to write that
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Speaker 1: wrong for the next gen. Um. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: I can speak about it since I have no experience
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Speaker 1: at all, but this is what I'm thinking about three months,
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Speaker 1: three months away from being parents. So I tell you what,
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Speaker 1: You're like that person who when when I talk my
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Speaker 1: job to somebody about my kids, they're like, yeah, my
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Speaker 1: kids are crazy too. I'm like, I didn't know you
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Speaker 1: had kids. Ye have my dogs? Yeah, my dogs are
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Speaker 1: they're crazy. Yeah. I think of my dogs as my kids.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just I go, man, shut up, because I wish.
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Speaker 1: I wish I could put my dogs in the base
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Speaker 1: or my kids in the basement, locking them for a day.
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Speaker 1: I can't do that. I just want to say that
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Speaker 1: we do know do We do not condone the places
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Speaker 1: of children in the basement. This is not a recommendation
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Speaker 1: by Dan or is it. Well. I wish I could.
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Speaker 1: I can't. You know you can't when when your son
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Speaker 1: goes to the bathroom on the carpet, you can't hit
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Speaker 1: him with a rolled up newspaper. I wish I could,
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Speaker 1: but I can't. Oh, man, we better, we better move
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Speaker 1: on to something we're better at because we are not
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Speaker 1: good at parenting advice. Although I don't I don't know
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Speaker 1: if we ever said this on the podcast, but you know,
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Speaker 1: you know, we got a review of the podcast on
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Speaker 1: iTunes and somebody actually said that they feel that they're
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Speaker 1: a better parent today because of Dan's advice. So that's
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Speaker 1: that's pretty profound. Dude, You've had an impact. Look for
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Speaker 1: the book. Okay, dear dear, have you been deer hunting
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Speaker 1: in all since we talked last week? Yes? Uh, I
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Speaker 1: went out. I got out Sunday morning and Sunday evening,
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Speaker 1: how to go? Did I tell you what? Um? Sunday
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Speaker 1: morning had a really good uh three year old come
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Speaker 1: through eight pointer. Wouldn't score you know, he wasn't gonna score,
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Speaker 1: um anything major, but head on he looked awesome, like
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Speaker 1: he's that buck that if he snuck up on you,
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Speaker 1: you may shoot him because you look right at his rack.
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Speaker 1: He was about two to three inches outside of his
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Speaker 1: ears on each side, not very tall times, but he
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Speaker 1: had good brows, really good mass um. But so he
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Speaker 1: came out of the c RP. So I saw him
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Speaker 1: for a long time and uh then when he ended
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Speaker 1: up getting close enough for me with I guess you
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Speaker 1: can say considered a pass um. I could tell that
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Speaker 1: his body was definitely not mature, and uh that right
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Speaker 1: there just was like nope. So I just sat down
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Speaker 1: and watched the you know, watched him chase a group
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Speaker 1: full of doz and um, he was kind of bouncing
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Speaker 1: all over the place. And you know, we always talked
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Speaker 1: about seeing cool things in the tree. Stand really quick,
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Speaker 1: I want to share this this really cool thing I noticed. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so this this dough he was chasing had a fawn,
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Speaker 1: and um, it wasn't like running real hard, but he
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Speaker 1: was just kind of trotting after grunting, and she'd run
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Speaker 1: off a little ways, put her head down, run off
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Speaker 1: a little ways. Well, one time he let out a
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Speaker 1: kind of a louder grunt in this fawn like mock
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Speaker 1: charged this three year old buck, like to say, get
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Speaker 1: away from my um, you know, like something like that.
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Speaker 1: It was it was really cool to see. And then
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Speaker 1: he just kind of he took him by surprise, so
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Speaker 1: he kind of jumped a little bit, but then he
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Speaker 1: kind of like he put his head down like just
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Speaker 1: a little bit, and then that that fun took off running.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, the bluff got called. That's that's pretty cool. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I never I've never seen anything like that before. But
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Speaker 1: and then you know, Sunday night, UM, I went down
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Speaker 1: to one of my best, like my historically good stands.
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Speaker 1: It's basically that the uh, this betting area. And if
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Speaker 1: you remember last year the farm got logged, wasn't it
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Speaker 1: two years ago? Yeah, it could have been two years ago.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it was two years ago. Anyway, whenever, it was,
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Speaker 1: so now all these tree tops are down. There's it's
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Speaker 1: really thick, it's really nasty, and uh, I'm telling you,
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Speaker 1: the deer were packed in there. The dough started coming out.
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Speaker 1: I saw several young bucks kind of chasing, um, chasing
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Speaker 1: the harassing these doughs. UM. And then I heard some
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Speaker 1: crashing kind of coming through the one part of this
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Speaker 1: betting area, and I saw antlers and I saw legs,
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Speaker 1: and he went down into the creek. I put my
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Speaker 1: binos on him. I couldn't really see what he was,
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Speaker 1: but it looked like a bucket had trail camera pictures
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Speaker 1: of a good four year old UM that would would
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Speaker 1: definitely be on the hit list. I couldn't identify him,
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Speaker 1: but I gave him a couple of grunts. He kind
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Speaker 1: of stopped and looked my way behind all the bushes. Um.
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Speaker 1: But then I heard him grunt and take off, and
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Speaker 1: I think I didn't see the dough, but I'm assuming
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Speaker 1: there was a dough that he was kind of going after.
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Speaker 1: So the short of it, that's uh, that was my weekend, dude.
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Speaker 1: Check some trail cameras. I got some dandies that showed up,
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Speaker 1: except they're like ten o'clock at night. So one of
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Speaker 1: them is the buck that I showed you, right, he's
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Speaker 1: still he's still on the same camera. Yeah. And then
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Speaker 1: another buck that matches his size exact same eight like
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Speaker 1: exact same eight point frame, but no split, no split
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Speaker 1: G two wow, so he's a clean eight. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: then the other trail cameras, Man, I haven't checked yet, um,
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Speaker 1: and I won't check them until I actually go hunt
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Speaker 1: that those stand locations in the next two weeks. Cool cool, Well,
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Speaker 1: not a bad day, No, it was a it was
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Speaker 1: a good day. It was like that really crisp crisp morning.
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Speaker 1: The only issue I had was the weather. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you ever run into this, but the weather
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Speaker 1: Channel or wherever I get my weather from, said we
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Speaker 1: got a south wind, it's gonna turn southwest mid morning.
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Speaker 1: And I got to my tree stand and my my
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Speaker 1: wind was almost straight east with a little bit of
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Speaker 1: south in it, and it wasn't where the deer were
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Speaker 1: coming out. So I figured, hey, I'm just I'm just
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Speaker 1: being aggressive, really overly aggressive with this wind. But typically
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Speaker 1: these deer pile out on a southeast southwest wind, so um,
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Speaker 1: I I let it ride and luckily nothing came through.
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Speaker 1: And when you know, the deer that did come through
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Speaker 1: were like some four corn bucks and they just ignored.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they couldn't smell me. They must have ignored.
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Speaker 1: The ozonics must have been working, you know whatever. So
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Speaker 1: that was my Sunday, man, And you know, I'm now
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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to uh to you know, Friday and
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Speaker 1: the next two weeks. Man, it's gonna be it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be here before you know it. That's right, Yeah, the
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Speaker 1: rutcation holy Field question mark. Yeah, so that'll be the
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Speaker 1: finale of my update. Let's let's let's start up just
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Speaker 1: after we last talked. Okay, so last time we talked,
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Speaker 1: I had went in for holy Field, went into my ground,
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Speaker 1: went into my box blind and it was infested with bees,
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Speaker 1: so I had hunt somewhere else. The next night, went
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Speaker 1: to another stand in a good spot. The day's going
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Speaker 1: really well. I've got fifteen does out feeding around me
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Speaker 1: with like an hour and forty five minutes of daylight. Still,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, this is it. Like the deer
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Speaker 1: are really moving, they're moving early. This is the kind
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Speaker 1: of night that a mature buck would show. And then
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Speaker 1: like five thirty, like an hour and a half before daylight,
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Speaker 1: while all these deer all around me, all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: here chainsaw fire up on the neighboring property and all
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Speaker 1: the deer go running out. So that was the end
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Speaker 1: of that night. Hunted the next night, didn't see much
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Speaker 1: um So then after that I got to think, and
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Speaker 1: you know, I've hunted three or four days now in
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Speaker 1: this property. It's not going right, it's not going well.
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen really any really great daylight activity, no
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Speaker 1: daylight activity and trail camera as far as holy Field,
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Speaker 1: and haven't seen any running activity yet. So I thought,
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna give it a break. I'm gonna go
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Speaker 1: down to Ohio for a couple of days. So I
11:57
Speaker 1: bombed down to Ohio hunted for two and a half
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Speaker 1: days down there. UM, I had two good sets of
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Speaker 1: encounters um Sunday nights. I think of Sunday night. UM,
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Speaker 1: I saw two different like three year old's probably the
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Speaker 1: one class UM passed on one of them, the other
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Speaker 1: ones across the valley from maybe cool seeing them cruising,
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Speaker 1: and then UM, then I made a mistake. I did
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Speaker 1: something that I always talked about not doing. What I
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Speaker 1: did here is I did not practice what I preach UM,
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Speaker 1: and I had a reason to do this, but it
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Speaker 1: just proved to be poorly timed. So here's the scenario.
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Speaker 1: I had been sitting this tree stand and midday I
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Speaker 1: had a trail camera about seventy yards away. I want
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Speaker 1: to check. So I go check that trail camera. Check
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Speaker 1: the pictures. It shows one of our big mature shooter
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Speaker 1: Bucks had been at that camera in daylight two nights
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Speaker 1: before and then like five nights before that, UM at
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Speaker 1: six pm both times right around there. It would take
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Speaker 1: a couple of minutes both encounters. Yes, pretty close to
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Speaker 1: the same win that we had that night. So I'm thinking, well,
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Speaker 1: there's a decent chance he might be coming through here
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Speaker 1: again tonight, UM in daylight. The issue is I couldn't
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Speaker 1: see even though it's only seventy yards away. There was
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Speaker 1: a little bit of thick cover in the way, so
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Speaker 1: I couldn't really see that. So if that buck came
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Speaker 1: through there, I wouldn't really know unless he continued in
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Speaker 1: my direction. So I had this idea. I was like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, when sixty five comes around, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: try a little calling sequence, just because you know that
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Speaker 1: much has been going on. Can't hurt give it a shot.
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Speaker 1: I'm down in Ohio. Um, I'll be a little aggressive.
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Speaker 1: And so the night progresses, and at sixty five rolls around,
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Speaker 1: I decide, all right, I'm gonna do my calling sequence. Now.
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Speaker 1: The thing I usually preach is I don't like to
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Speaker 1: blind call personally. I typically do not call to deer
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Speaker 1: unless I can actually see them. Um, because you know,
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Speaker 1: there's a number of different risks. Now, I know some
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Speaker 1: people blind call and it works for them. It's is
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm overly cautious and conservative, but I worry about
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Speaker 1: spooking deer I don't see. I worry about maybe getting
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Speaker 1: a deer's attention that I don't know's around, and then
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Speaker 1: him coming in from a direction I don't you know
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Speaker 1: I'm not aware of and then him catching moving or something, um, etcetera, etcetera.
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Speaker 1: So six four or five rolls around. I uh, it's
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Speaker 1: very it's kind of windy, so I have to be
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Speaker 1: kind of loud and aggressive with my grunts. They do
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Speaker 1: like a loud grunt, and then I'm like, why not
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Speaker 1: try snort wees? So then I hammer out of snort
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Speaker 1: we's and um, I hear and I spin around and
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Speaker 1: I see a white tail about forty yards away, bounding
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Speaker 1: away from me. And I pulled my binoculars and I
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Speaker 1: see a great big rack on top of this buck's head. Really,
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Speaker 1: so there was this buck that was at least forty
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Speaker 1: yards if not closer, coming towards me, and my assumption
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Speaker 1: with beasts, I hadn't seen them before. Um, now I've
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Speaker 1: been like looking around me and stuff. But you did
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Speaker 1: the pre rattle scan, didn't Yeah, I'm sure I did
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Speaker 1: a scan, but I obviously didn't do a good enough
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Speaker 1: scan even though like where he was, where he ran
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Speaker 1: into and where I'm assuming he was coming from. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of thick, and it was low light. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's only fifteen minutes a daylight left. It was kind
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Speaker 1: of when he said everything's moving. So I did a
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Speaker 1: quick look around, didn't see anything, um, but obviously did
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Speaker 1: not look well enough because he was very close and
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Speaker 1: closing the distance. And then I go and make a
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Speaker 1: loud grunt and a snort weeze when he's maybe thirty
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Speaker 1: five or forty yards away, and um, and then he
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Speaker 1: bounded off. Now I don't know how big he was,
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Speaker 1: you know, because all I could see was a couple
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Speaker 1: of seconds of him going through this brush heading away. UM.
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Speaker 1: And I'm looking at him from behind, and you know,
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Speaker 1: deer always looked bigger than they maybe always they actually
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Speaker 1: are when you see them from behind. Um, but he
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Speaker 1: looked I don't know. And he could have been maybe
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Speaker 1: from one twenties to one forties, I don't know, somewhere
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Speaker 1: in that ballpark. But not a buck that you want
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Speaker 1: to spook would be the moral of that story. But
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Speaker 1: he didn't seem to be too spook because he made
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Speaker 1: a couple of bounds and then he stopped. I saw
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Speaker 1: him stop, and then he kind of just walked off.
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Speaker 1: But um, so do you think he was it was
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Speaker 1: just taken by surprise, or do you think he caught
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Speaker 1: your wind? I think he just got taken by surprise.
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Speaker 1: He did not catch my wind. Um that was rattle.
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Speaker 1: I didn't rattle. I just grunted. Okay, So I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think you know. I wasn't making any
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Speaker 1: dramatic moves. It was pretty subtilely and I was facing
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Speaker 1: the opposite direction from him. So I think he just
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Speaker 1: got startled by this really loud noise and he was
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Speaker 1: right there, and um, I wasn't feeling it. So that
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Speaker 1: was That was that night. The next morning, hunted a
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Speaker 1: different spot and had a nice nine pointer come in.
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Speaker 1: I think he could have been four. It was kind
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Speaker 1: of hard to see his full body with how tall
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Speaker 1: the brush was. Three or four definitely maybe like a
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty class nine point, like a really cool, big,
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Speaker 1: kind of curving bladed brow time. Yeah. Um, but I
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Speaker 1: decided to pass on him, but got a cool and
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Speaker 1: Connor get to watch him for a long time, and
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Speaker 1: that was That was a hunt and hunted that night,
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Speaker 1: didn't see anything but a dough and headed back to Michigan. Um,
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Speaker 1: which takes us to last night, which is the question
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Speaker 1: mark incident. Right, I may have had a holy field encounter. Okay,
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Speaker 1: how close was this encounter sixty yards okay, but as
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Speaker 1: it was him, I'm not a positive. I've gone down
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Speaker 1: in confidence since the incident. Like every time I think
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Speaker 1: about I'm like, maybe not. It's like when I first
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Speaker 1: when it first happened, I'm like, I'm sure that was him,
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Speaker 1: and then by the next morning, I'm like, well, maybe
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Speaker 1: sures him. And then tonight I'm like maybe five percent
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Speaker 1: sures him. Um, So why don't you just tell, like
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Speaker 1: describe the encounter. Yeah, So here's what happened. Some hunting
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Speaker 1: in UM. One of my favorite sets has been there
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Speaker 1: for a long time. It's been traditionally good spot to
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Speaker 1: be this time of year. A little like quarter and
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Speaker 1: a half acre food plot UM chucked in between on
17:56
Speaker 1: one side is a really good betting area and the
17:58
Speaker 1: other side is the narrow strip of horn that comes down,
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Speaker 1: and then another good betting area just on the other
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Speaker 1: side of that, and um some sitting there. It's like
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Speaker 1: four thirty or four or forty five was pretty early
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Speaker 1: in the evening UM and two doors that come into
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Speaker 1: the food plot, and the way my wind was blowing,
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Speaker 1: I was just cutting the corner of the food plot
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Speaker 1: with my wind, like so if the deer were in
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Speaker 1: the food plot, they couldn't catch my wind, but if
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Speaker 1: they happened to go on the one very far bottom
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Speaker 1: corner of it, they would possibly be in my wind. Well,
18:26
Speaker 1: these two deer went there, of course, and um, so
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Speaker 1: they're right down wind of me and they're just standing there. Fortunately,
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Speaker 1: with all my sun control stuff everything I'm doing, they
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Speaker 1: didn't win me. But they knew something was up. So
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Speaker 1: they're standing there and there there's their noses in the air.
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Speaker 1: They're looking their nose trying to figure out what's going on.
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Speaker 1: So I'm looking at them, and then I'm like, oh,
18:45
Speaker 1: they're gonna blow, or they're gonna blow, or they're gonna blow.
18:47
Speaker 1: And then I just happened to catch a glimpse of
18:49
Speaker 1: something out of the corner of my eye. So I
18:50
Speaker 1: turned my head, looked to the left and across the
18:53
Speaker 1: food plot, maybe five yards inside of the timber, and
18:57
Speaker 1: it's it's very thick across this across the food plot,
19:00
Speaker 1: inside the timber, I see a big buck like walking
19:03
Speaker 1: right towards me, like he's gonna come into the food plot.
19:06
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy crap, And like in the had like
19:08
Speaker 1: a second and a half where I'm looking at him
19:10
Speaker 1: and like my mindset, that's Holy Field, like the basic frame.
19:14
Speaker 1: I was like, that's him. There's no other I mean,
19:15
Speaker 1: there's no other Bucks big Bucks in the area but him,
19:18
Speaker 1: and like that's him. And he's walking right and he's
19:20
Speaker 1: like five yards away from the food plot, aimed right
19:22
Speaker 1: at me. So now I need to get my bow
19:24
Speaker 1: before he gets in the plot. And you know, I
19:27
Speaker 1: can't move, so I I spin slowly, grabbed the bow,
19:29
Speaker 1: and as I start to spin back, I'm looking. I'm
19:32
Speaker 1: looking at him again, but now instuff coming to the
19:34
Speaker 1: food plot. He's turned and he's parallel in the food plot,
19:37
Speaker 1: and I get like another two seconds of looking at him,
19:41
Speaker 1: and then he gets behind this thick cover and literally
19:44
Speaker 1: lets it. So I had like a second and a
19:46
Speaker 1: half when I saw him coming in, turning at the bow,
19:48
Speaker 1: and then by the time I turned back, I've got
19:50
Speaker 1: like two more seconds of a glimpse, and I remember
19:52
Speaker 1: the thing I was trying to figure out. The thing
19:54
Speaker 1: I was trying to confirm is whether his main beams
19:58
Speaker 1: curved up or curved down. Because there is a two
20:01
Speaker 1: and a half year old buck that I've been calling
20:02
Speaker 1: droopy that is like a mini me of holy Field
20:06
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, like what he like what
20:07
Speaker 1: holy Field looked like two years ago, except for his
20:10
Speaker 1: beams angled down at the end instead of curving up.
20:14
Speaker 1: So I've seen this buck in the past and like, oh, crap,
20:16
Speaker 1: is the holy Field like for a split second, and
20:18
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh no, it's not. Smaller beams go down.
20:21
Speaker 1: But so in this instance, I was trying to see
20:23
Speaker 1: as he's going through the cover, that's what I remember
20:25
Speaker 1: looking at. And I feel like in my head I
20:27
Speaker 1: remember seeing curved up. So that's why I feel pretty
20:31
Speaker 1: confident with him. But because it such a brief encounter,
20:34
Speaker 1: I don't know. And so he gets behind this thick
20:37
Speaker 1: cover and so my next thought I got, I needed
20:39
Speaker 1: grunt to I need to call him in. So I
20:40
Speaker 1: grabbed my grunt tube, and then I remember those two
20:43
Speaker 1: doughs and I ain't look over and again those two
20:45
Speaker 1: doughs are still standing at twenty five or thirty yards
20:48
Speaker 1: or whatever, with their noses in the air, still trying
20:50
Speaker 1: to figure things out. And I realized, if I make
20:52
Speaker 1: a grunt right now, if I make some noise, that's
20:55
Speaker 1: gonna spook these deer out. Of here, like they're gonna
20:57
Speaker 1: freak because they're already kind of on edge. And then
21:00
Speaker 1: if they hear a loud noise and twenty yards away, um,
21:02
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blow those does out. So I can't grunt,
21:06
Speaker 1: I can't make a call. So now I'm just hoping
21:08
Speaker 1: that they don't blow and that he is just coming
21:10
Speaker 1: in from a different angle and going to come into
21:12
Speaker 1: the plot. Well, he never did come into the plot
21:15
Speaker 1: and I could never get eyes on him again. I
21:17
Speaker 1: thought he would walk across the clearing in the brush
21:19
Speaker 1: and I'd be able to see him again, but he
21:21
Speaker 1: never did. And I scoured, I scoured and scoured it.
21:25
Speaker 1: That was it. That was the encounter. I mean like
21:26
Speaker 1: three four seconds, um, and he just disappeared like the
21:30
Speaker 1: ghost he is. Um. And that was it. And then
21:33
Speaker 1: I saw I did see Now, this is another thing
21:35
Speaker 1: that made me wonder. Um. Like an hour and a
21:37
Speaker 1: half later, I did see Drewpie. I saw his mini
21:40
Speaker 1: me chasing does. Now he came from a different direction.
21:43
Speaker 1: He came from the totally opposite side. But I did
21:45
Speaker 1: see Drew Pe later that night. Um. And then this
21:48
Speaker 1: morning I saw Drew by again bumping around. He's all
21:51
Speaker 1: over the place. Um, I saw six bucks Curison around
21:54
Speaker 1: this morning, but no sign of holy Field. But I
21:58
Speaker 1: do have news related to holy Field. Still. This is new,
22:01
Speaker 1: even from when we started this podcast recording. I have
22:06
Speaker 1: a picture on my cell camera that just came through
22:08
Speaker 1: of holy Field in my food plot about minutes ago.
22:12
Speaker 1: So he's there right now. He's there right now. Dude, dude,
22:17
Speaker 1: that guy is gonna tease the ship out of you
22:20
Speaker 1: and he's gonna prevent Oh man, this you know, you
22:25
Speaker 1: know how I was obsessed with this butt called shipwreck,
22:30
Speaker 1: and like you're kind of getting to that point now
22:32
Speaker 1: where you want to kill him so bad that you're
22:35
Speaker 1: like you almost have blinders on. Yes, I can't really
22:39
Speaker 1: like enjoy what's going on in Ohio or think about
22:41
Speaker 1: other things. That really has become an obsession, that is,
22:44
Speaker 1: because you know, I wouldn't. You know, you're getting ready
22:47
Speaker 1: to potentially head out to North Dakota to hunt as well,
22:52
Speaker 1: and you you don't even know if you're gonna go
22:56
Speaker 1: now or not, because it's like this entire season revolving
23:00
Speaker 1: around one deer. Yeah, And that's that's exactly the issues
23:03
Speaker 1: that I wanted. I've got this North Dakota tag. I
23:05
Speaker 1: want to use it, but like we talked about earlier today,
23:08
Speaker 1: unless I kill holy Field, I just don't. I can't leave.
23:11
Speaker 1: I can't. I need to be local. I need to
23:13
Speaker 1: be here to take advantage of something if something comes up.
23:15
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's uh, it is all consuming. It's kind
23:20
Speaker 1: of um, it's quite an adventure. He's been frustrating this year.
23:24
Speaker 1: He has not shown himself in daylight yet. So, UM,
23:29
Speaker 1: ho's gonna change, man, That's gonna change hopefully soon. Yeah.
23:33
Speaker 1: So just crossing all my fingers and toes, trying to
23:35
Speaker 1: be smart about it. Um, trying to be careful but
23:38
Speaker 1: aggressive when I should be. Um, tomorrow, I've got a
23:42
Speaker 1: horrible wind for hunting this property, and I sat all
23:45
Speaker 1: tonight like trying to think, how can I hunt? How
23:48
Speaker 1: can I hunt with this wind? And UM, I ended
23:51
Speaker 1: up deciding I'm not going to hunt it at all.
23:53
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and run and guns some random public
23:56
Speaker 1: land rather than force the issue on a day that
23:59
Speaker 1: tomorrow it's gonna be sixty degrees, it's gonna be warm,
24:01
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be storming all day. Like, I don't
24:04
Speaker 1: need to push it on a bad wind. With those
24:05
Speaker 1: kind of conditions, UM, I'm gonna get let the proper
24:08
Speaker 1: take a day off and then um then get back
24:11
Speaker 1: after him when this another little cold front comes through.
24:13
Speaker 1: I've got good winds and and um, hopefully the cards
24:18
Speaker 1: will finally be in my favor. So I'm pulling for you.
24:22
Speaker 1: But well, I appreciate man, I appreciate everyone. I gotta say,
24:25
Speaker 1: it's been kind of cool. Um, so much support from
24:29
Speaker 1: our audience, from from all you guys listening and following
24:32
Speaker 1: along on social media and and all the different things
24:35
Speaker 1: that we're doing. So many people wishing me luck, sending
24:39
Speaker 1: words and support, talking about how they're following along. That's
24:41
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I appreciate that it's keeping me going strong,
24:45
Speaker 1: keeping me on point, and hopefully I will be able
24:48
Speaker 1: to have good news here soon. But but for anybody
24:52
Speaker 1: who's been listening and they don't care about us at all,
24:54
Speaker 1: all they've wanted to hear is about Will Primos, I
24:57
Speaker 1: apologize that our rambling has gone on on for so long,
25:01
Speaker 1: but you now know a little bit about about my
25:05
Speaker 1: my hunt for holy Field and Dan's kids. So so
25:12
Speaker 1: next week will be an exciting podcast because Dan, you
25:15
Speaker 1: will be in the middle of your rutcation and I
25:18
Speaker 1: will be hopefully doing some exciting things, so we'll have
25:20
Speaker 1: some good stories to share next week. UM. So for now,
25:24
Speaker 1: I say, let's let's let's stop our stories, let's pause
25:27
Speaker 1: to thank our partners that sit a gear, and then
25:30
Speaker 1: let's get Will Primost on the line. For this week's
25:34
Speaker 1: sick of story, we're joined by Jim Caesar, who tells
25:37
Speaker 1: us why his twenty seventeen archery season has been the
25:39
Speaker 1: most unique one yet. This here for the Louisiana two
25:44
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen archery season. I decided to make a big
25:48
Speaker 1: change to my arsenal, and that change being traditional archery
25:52
Speaker 1: gear along with or sick of gear. Um, this has
25:57
Speaker 1: been rather rather different for me. I was in for
25:59
Speaker 1: a lot more streets whenever I made six. Um, I've
26:05
Speaker 1: literally every time I've gone to the stand not five
26:09
Speaker 1: minutes later there I heard. I heard of wild hawks
26:13
Speaker 1: that comes out every time, no matter at the time
26:15
Speaker 1: of the day. I can go into the stand at
26:17
Speaker 1: like twelve o'clock and I kid you not by toils
26:20
Speaker 1: oh five there will be takes coming in. And um,
26:23
Speaker 1: I've managed to get I've managed to harvards for hawks
26:27
Speaker 1: so far using traditional gear, and um, it's just it's
26:31
Speaker 1: just an amazing feeling being able to go out in
26:33
Speaker 1: the stand and almost knowing on public land that you're
26:37
Speaker 1: gonna have opportunity at an animal and it just makes
26:40
Speaker 1: it that much better. And um, it's just it's just
26:44
Speaker 1: awesome public land. As many knows, it's very it's very
26:48
Speaker 1: hard hunting. Uh, it can be very rewarding, and sometimes
26:51
Speaker 1: you know it's just you get the wrong end of
26:53
Speaker 1: the deal and you just go out and nothing happens.
26:56
Speaker 1: But this year, I can only say it makes me
26:58
Speaker 1: look forward to what's what's to come. On Jims hunts,
27:03
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Speaker 1: like to create the sikest story of your own, or
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Speaker 1: gear dot com. Alright with us now on the line
27:17
Speaker 1: is Will Primost. Welcome to show. Well, thank you, Mark,
27:21
Speaker 1: glad to be with y'all. Absolutely, this is what I've
27:24
Speaker 1: been looking forward to since we're able to line it up.
27:27
Speaker 1: And I gotta ask you right out right out the gate,
27:30
Speaker 1: how is your hunting season going so far? Well, we
27:34
Speaker 1: start earlier because we chase so many elk, we usually
27:37
Speaker 1: are gone for about a month to six weeks depending uh.
27:41
Speaker 1: And this year we started out in early September and
27:46
Speaker 1: went back when the guys went back for rifle season
27:49
Speaker 1: in early October. But so that starts to hunt seasons.
27:53
Speaker 1: It was a great elk season. Um. We just we
27:57
Speaker 1: love the West. We we love that world and get
28:00
Speaker 1: to meet a lot of different people out there and
28:02
Speaker 1: get to see new places done white tails and the
28:04
Speaker 1: drainages and so forth. So I like the aspect of
28:07
Speaker 1: the two. Um. But we had a great, great season.
28:10
Speaker 1: And then deer season has gotten kicked off pretty good.
28:13
Speaker 1: I hunted last week before last and I did not
28:18
Speaker 1: get a shot. I had to deer that they were
28:22
Speaker 1: a little bit there were. One of them was two
28:24
Speaker 1: hundred and two hundred twenty five yards and wait and
28:26
Speaker 1: one of them was fouring in twenty seven yards. Routs
28:28
Speaker 1: Honey an old river bed uh that used to be
28:31
Speaker 1: the Mississippi River until it switched courses. So it's a
28:35
Speaker 1: wide open area that has a slight slow going through
28:38
Speaker 1: it with very little trees growing in it. There's a
28:41
Speaker 1: lot of just just water vegetations and so forth where
28:44
Speaker 1: the river used to be. But anyway we had we
28:46
Speaker 1: could see a long way from where we were sitting
28:48
Speaker 1: in a willow tree back from it a little bit.
28:51
Speaker 1: One of the deer was foarder in twenty seven yards
28:53
Speaker 1: and they were both fully mature. I couldn't decide if
28:58
Speaker 1: they were fouring a half or five and a half. Um.
29:01
Speaker 1: Both of them were fine, fine bucks. But of course
29:04
Speaker 1: that was way too far from my boat. And Kara
29:06
Speaker 1: man said, why didn't you shoot it one of those deer?
29:08
Speaker 1: I said, Man, I didn't want to show off. So
29:12
Speaker 1: so are you hunting locally over the coming weeks? For
29:15
Speaker 1: are you traveling anywhere else to do some mark? All
29:19
Speaker 1: these years, I've traveled the Midwest and gone everywhere from
29:23
Speaker 1: Montana out of home, you know, hunting, hunting white tails.
29:28
Speaker 1: I'll with Kansas, Nebraska, Texas. And I'm sixty five years old,
29:33
Speaker 1: and I'm real healthy and strong or exercise and good.
29:37
Speaker 1: But I've just gotten to where I don't like to travel.
29:39
Speaker 1: And I love the deep South white tail hunt, and
29:42
Speaker 1: I love what we call these just big old swamp
29:44
Speaker 1: doggies that are so hard to figure out. You don't
29:47
Speaker 1: have the noticeable funnels and things like that that you
29:50
Speaker 1: do in the Midwest. So I we're sticking close and
29:53
Speaker 1: we lease eleven thousand acres on the Mississippi River, and
29:59
Speaker 1: it is in the corner of where Louisiana meets Arkansas,
30:03
Speaker 1: so North Louisiana and South Arkansas. And then the Mississippi
30:07
Speaker 1: River changed courses, so there's an island called Sarah Island.
30:11
Speaker 1: It's not an actual island unless the water's way up.
30:15
Speaker 1: And so we have laying in all three states. We
30:18
Speaker 1: have all three licenses, and that's where we produced the
30:21
Speaker 1: premost show. Primarily there's every once while we'll go somewhere
30:25
Speaker 1: else in this area, but that is primarily where we
30:29
Speaker 1: do all of our white tail honey. So that's where
30:31
Speaker 1: we were hunting. And then last week they went back.
30:34
Speaker 1: I did not go last week. And Troy Roue is
30:38
Speaker 1: who's part of the team on our show. He killed
30:40
Speaker 1: two nice bucks, one with his bow and one with
30:43
Speaker 1: a with a crossbow with Matthew said a new cross
30:46
Speaker 1: with three in treble and he he used it um
30:49
Speaker 1: in Mississippi, so he got two nice books. Brad Ferris
30:52
Speaker 1: kills the doe. Uh. He's part of our team and
30:56
Speaker 1: haven't been a part of our team for a long
30:57
Speaker 1: long time. So they're headed back over there today and
31:00
Speaker 1: they'll be here this week. And I'm taking a couple
31:02
Speaker 1: of days off for one to be with you and
31:05
Speaker 1: your your guest on your show. Well, we certainly appreciate that.
31:10
Speaker 1: And uh, I want to talk about this topic of
31:13
Speaker 1: hunting in the Deep South, and you know how different
31:16
Speaker 1: it is than the Midwest, like you mentioned. But I
31:18
Speaker 1: guess before that I would be I would be remiss
31:21
Speaker 1: if I didn't at least gets you to tell us
31:24
Speaker 1: a little bit of your history, will because I'm sure
31:28
Speaker 1: most people today are familiar with who you are and
31:30
Speaker 1: what you've done with primost and everything, but maybe they
31:32
Speaker 1: don't know how that all happened. Could you give us,
31:35
Speaker 1: like the cliff Notes version of how this all came
31:37
Speaker 1: to be? Sure? Well a slatter you say it knows
31:41
Speaker 1: everybody knows who I am or whatever. I don't know
31:44
Speaker 1: if that's the truth. But we have been doing this
31:47
Speaker 1: for forty one years. I started in nineteen seventy six.
31:50
Speaker 1: I was born here in the Jackson, Mississippi area, UH,
31:54
Speaker 1: to very extended large family. Grandfather's grandparents, both sides, uncles,
32:00
Speaker 1: and they all hunted and uh hunt in the Mississippi
32:03
Speaker 1: Delta for in flooded timber for ducks. And we grew
32:07
Speaker 1: up one of a small farm and my family was
32:10
Speaker 1: in the restaurant business and Jackson and this little small farm.
32:13
Speaker 1: We had a little lake and I had all the
32:16
Speaker 1: small game you could chase a stick with, you know.
32:19
Speaker 1: So that's how I grew up. And I loved it,
32:21
Speaker 1: and I loved fishing. I had a little red rider
32:24
Speaker 1: wagon that I'd fill up with brim and bring him
32:26
Speaker 1: to the house and and go to scale up. I
32:28
Speaker 1: love fright hole. So anyway, that was kind of my life.
32:32
Speaker 1: And uh I just I just loved it. So I
32:34
Speaker 1: started making turkey calls early on, and people liked them
32:39
Speaker 1: a lot. They were different. And one thing that did another.
32:42
Speaker 1: I got out of college, you went to work with
32:43
Speaker 1: the family, have a business degree, and I started this
32:47
Speaker 1: little company on the side I called the premost Yelpers
32:50
Speaker 1: a yelper y e l p r. A yelper is
32:54
Speaker 1: a turkey mouth call. And uh so I started doing
32:58
Speaker 1: that and going to shows and I'd just sell out
33:00
Speaker 1: that go home and make more. And one thing led
33:02
Speaker 1: to another and for all and I said, did come
33:05
Speaker 1: and I got I think I had by that time,
33:07
Speaker 1: I had twelve or fifteen products and thanks for going great.
33:11
Speaker 1: And it was a timing deal. I couldn't do anything.
33:13
Speaker 1: I don't think you could do it today. Packaging so
33:16
Speaker 1: much more sophisticated in the digital world of doing businesses
33:19
Speaker 1: so much more sophisticated. You really, I've tapped some startup
33:22
Speaker 1: funds to get it going, but at any rate, UM
33:26
Speaker 1: things grew and grew, and in nineteen in two thousand
33:29
Speaker 1: and six, UM Jimmy Primos and my cousin had come
33:32
Speaker 1: in to help me run the place. He was the
33:34
Speaker 1: chief operating officer. We had seven vice presidents that ran
33:38
Speaker 1: different departments within the company. At that time we had
33:40
Speaker 1: about a hundred and sixty employees I think it was.
33:43
Speaker 1: But we sold to a private equity firm out of
33:44
Speaker 1: Chicago and UM then we I stayed owned as as
33:51
Speaker 1: on the head of it and Jimmy was the chief
33:53
Speaker 1: operating officer and all the executives stay and we grew it,
33:57
Speaker 1: doubled it and sold it to Bush nil Um in
34:01
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelves and then in two thousand and
34:04
Speaker 1: thirteen a t K which was Applied Tech Systems UM,
34:09
Speaker 1: which is a publicly traded company that owned Federal Premium
34:13
Speaker 1: and c c I as well as a lot of
34:15
Speaker 1: other outdoor brands as well as they were in the
34:17
Speaker 1: business of putting rockets into orbit. Uh. They bought Bushnell,
34:21
Speaker 1: so we became a part of that family. And then
34:23
Speaker 1: a p K split and they made a publicly traded
34:27
Speaker 1: separate UM UH outdoor sporting products division and the rocket
34:35
Speaker 1: business putting rockets into orbit and government contract side of
34:39
Speaker 1: things went to a company called Orbital so v I
34:43
Speaker 1: s t A. This that was born. We are part
34:45
Speaker 1: of the just the brand of products now UH. Premos
34:49
Speaker 1: Actually the guy who came to Primos from South Carolina,
34:52
Speaker 1: Mike Powell, actually runs Primos on a day to day basis.
34:56
Speaker 1: Now I'm still there, um anytime. I want to be
34:59
Speaker 1: in New days every day. But um so it's Jimmy,
35:03
Speaker 1: but he actually runs Primos. Mike Powell does, and he
35:08
Speaker 1: also We also own and run gold Tip arrows, be
35:12
Speaker 1: stinger stabilizers, Final Approach decoys, and waterfoil products, UH, double bulllines,
35:21
Speaker 1: UH promos and bushneail cameras are all under Mike's watch
35:25
Speaker 1: and our watch. So we're developing those products and putting
35:29
Speaker 1: new products out the other full new product development team
35:32
Speaker 1: and so forth. So that brings us kind of to
35:34
Speaker 1: today and where we are now. My main role is
35:37
Speaker 1: the public relations role, being in advertisers, being on UH
35:42
Speaker 1: camera hunting representing the company UH Premos Truth about Hunting
35:46
Speaker 1: on on the Outdoor channel started and it rates every
35:51
Speaker 1: month between one in five and the last three months,
35:55
Speaker 1: it's been number one on the Outdoor channel as far
35:59
Speaker 1: as outdoor proven programming goes. So we're proud of that,
36:02
Speaker 1: but we're kind of amazed by it, um because we've
36:05
Speaker 1: been there so long and it's easy to get stale.
36:08
Speaker 1: We got stale at one time and didn't do as
36:10
Speaker 1: well and that's kind of come around. But we love
36:12
Speaker 1: whitetail honey. Um. We do it and we live and
36:15
Speaker 1: breathe it year around. UM. So maybe that's a little
36:18
Speaker 1: more than you wanted to. That kind of gets you
36:20
Speaker 1: up to speed to where we are. No, it's it's
36:22
Speaker 1: it's an incredible story and I just can't I can't imagine, Well,
36:26
Speaker 1: could could you have imagined when you were first making
36:29
Speaker 1: those premost yelpers that that you know so many years
36:32
Speaker 1: later you would be standing here today, you know, working
36:35
Speaker 1: with all of these brands and um, you know in
36:37
Speaker 1: such a different place. It's it's an incredible journey. I
36:41
Speaker 1: have to imagine. Yeah, it is an incredible journey. And
36:43
Speaker 1: you bring a huge smile to my face. And you're
36:46
Speaker 1: asking that question because I can remember those early days
36:50
Speaker 1: and I can remember the struggles and the sacrifices. Um,
36:53
Speaker 1: it's quite amazing, uh to be where we are. But
36:57
Speaker 1: can I did I imagine it? Imagine having a strong
37:01
Speaker 1: vibral uh game car company? That for sure. And somebody
37:07
Speaker 1: said to me one time, don't ever underestimate passion. And
37:14
Speaker 1: somebody asked, uh, it was It was talking about Charles
37:18
Speaker 1: Crault and how many of right listen to know who
37:19
Speaker 1: Charles Carrault was. But he was on the road as
37:21
Speaker 1: CBS for years. And they asked the cameraman, who's still living?
37:26
Speaker 1: They worked with Charles Carrault when he was on the road.
37:29
Speaker 1: They said, did why did people try to call Charles
37:33
Speaker 1: Carroult out of doing this? To them? You had the idea, Um,
37:36
Speaker 1: why why did why did they try to talk you
37:38
Speaker 1: about that? Because that's a known thing that people that
37:40
Speaker 1: CBS didn't believe that this on the road show would work.
37:43
Speaker 1: And the guy said, well, I guess he knew something
37:46
Speaker 1: they didn't know, So you know, you know what you know.
37:50
Speaker 1: But for those of us who are passionate about a
37:53
Speaker 1: product or about a product lad or an ideal, um,
37:58
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's something to be reckoned with. UH.
38:02
Speaker 1: And there's many great business principles. Have a major in business,
38:05
Speaker 1: and I love business, and I guess all that kind
38:08
Speaker 1: of came together to to help us channel that passion
38:12
Speaker 1: into something that we truly loved. UH. And to be
38:15
Speaker 1: aboul to have the energy uh to do it, to
38:18
Speaker 1: run a business and hunt that it takes a lot,
38:21
Speaker 1: Like we're serious about it, So it takes a lot. Yeah. Absolutely.
38:25
Speaker 1: And I think this this idea of of having that
38:28
Speaker 1: passionate and how you can use that passion to be
38:31
Speaker 1: successful in business, that that perfectly translates to the woods
38:34
Speaker 1: as well, because I think if you look at some
38:36
Speaker 1: of those core you know, common threads that run between
38:40
Speaker 1: you know, those people who maybe are the most consistently
38:43
Speaker 1: successful hunters, they all have that shared passion UM no
38:48
Speaker 1: doubt they do think. And I will say this about
38:51
Speaker 1: those consistent hunters that consistently killing mature big white tales
38:57
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, year in year out, done it
39:00
Speaker 1: for years. There's many of them out there, and I
39:03
Speaker 1: love those guys. But there's there's one thing that they
39:06
Speaker 1: do that the average guy doesn't do, and that is
39:10
Speaker 1: that they respect the white tail. Most everyday weekend hunters
39:16
Speaker 1: that want to be successful do not respect the white
39:19
Speaker 1: tail enough. His nose and his ears are absolutely incredible.
39:28
Speaker 1: And you can't you can't just be blasting up in
39:30
Speaker 1: the woods and expect one of these big guys to
39:33
Speaker 1: give himself up. They just say, gonna happen. Very true.
39:38
Speaker 1: So so when you say respect the white tail, it
39:40
Speaker 1: sounds like we're talking about just really respecting and understanding
39:45
Speaker 1: and accounting for just how wary and and and what
39:51
Speaker 1: survival experts mature bucks are right. Is there is there
39:53
Speaker 1: anything more? Well, you know that you can get down
39:58
Speaker 1: to that. You can break it down into all aspects
40:00
Speaker 1: of entering the woods, being in the woods, leaving the woods.
40:04
Speaker 1: All that adds to not letting them know you're there,
40:06
Speaker 1: because you can't let them know you're there. Um and
40:09
Speaker 1: and it kind of goes like this, you cannot hunt
40:12
Speaker 1: a white tail where he is now that one exception
40:15
Speaker 1: is that is that if he's bedded and you've got
40:18
Speaker 1: the window and him and you're able to see him
40:20
Speaker 1: or see his horns in the field or see RP
40:22
Speaker 1: field or whatever it's stalking and get within bow range
40:25
Speaker 1: and he shoot. And I'm talking about bow hunt here.
40:27
Speaker 1: But you can't typically hunt a white tail where he is.
40:31
Speaker 1: You've got a hunting where he's gonna be, and you've
40:34
Speaker 1: got to get to where he's gonna be without him
40:37
Speaker 1: ever knowing you're there or detecting you while he comes.
40:40
Speaker 1: So that hope that answers which you're trying to get
40:44
Speaker 1: at it in respecting the white terricles, they truly are.
40:47
Speaker 1: And I think it was um ah, gosh, my mind
40:52
Speaker 1: just went black. One of the guys, Uh, they had
40:54
Speaker 1: early October white Tails video that back in the um
40:59
Speaker 1: back in eight yeahs. I believe one of them said.
41:04
Speaker 1: I think it was very um that he said, when
41:07
Speaker 1: all said and done, there's no living, very few living
41:10
Speaker 1: creatures on earth, the third to the last will be
41:14
Speaker 1: a white tail, the second to the last will be
41:16
Speaker 1: a kind of and the last will be a roach.
41:19
Speaker 1: And just it just tells you how incredible those three
41:24
Speaker 1: animals are um because they are survivalist. And to understand
41:30
Speaker 1: the white tail and what he needs and to make
41:33
Speaker 1: him happy by me and happy what relaxes him, and
41:36
Speaker 1: that's cover and that's being able to enter that cover
41:38
Speaker 1: and get and leave that cover undetected. Uh. Understanding his
41:43
Speaker 1: food sources, Understanding how he goes about his daily activities.
41:47
Speaker 1: It's all. It's all an incredible puzzle. Yes, And I
41:50
Speaker 1: think that's what draws us back to a year after
41:52
Speaker 1: year after year. Um. Now, now, speaking of all of
41:56
Speaker 1: these things that make a white tail such a survival expert,
42:00
Speaker 1: how does a Southern white tail differ than maybe the
42:04
Speaker 1: ones that you see on TV most of the time
42:06
Speaker 1: up in the Midwest, um or or like where I'm
42:09
Speaker 1: in Ohio right now, or wherever that may be. Yeah,
42:13
Speaker 1: were years ago Miles Keller came down here to hunt
42:16
Speaker 1: with a friend of mine, and he looked at this forest.
42:20
Speaker 1: He was hunting in the hills south of Vicksburg, Mississippi,
42:24
Speaker 1: which is not far from Mississippi. But they're called Lowest
42:27
Speaker 1: Hills l O E s s ATLA. But that's when
42:30
Speaker 1: blown dirt win long dust that made the hills south
42:34
Speaker 1: of Vicksburg and he got there and he looked at
42:39
Speaker 1: this and he goes, oh, my gosh, how do you
42:42
Speaker 1: ever kill a white tail? Because it's tens of thousands
42:47
Speaker 1: of acres of woods, there's no funnels, there's no big plateau, grasslands,
42:56
Speaker 1: plateau tops and in a bench that leads down a
43:00
Speaker 1: drainage that allowed this show that that's the funnels. Have
43:04
Speaker 1: a hunted those that country, that that Midwest country, And
43:07
Speaker 1: oh how much fun it is to find one of
43:09
Speaker 1: those funnels. Oh my gosh. You know, you just have
43:13
Speaker 1: to be the biggest problem with those is is you're
43:15
Speaker 1: gonna see us. You can see bucks, you can see that,
43:17
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna see some deer, and you've got to
43:20
Speaker 1: let the little ones go if you want to kill
43:22
Speaker 1: a big one, because when those three and a half
43:26
Speaker 1: year a hundred each deer come by, you're going, oh,
43:30
Speaker 1: that's the biggest jeer I've ever had a chance to
43:32
Speaker 1: shoot that. I ain't fasten that up. But if you
43:35
Speaker 1: if you will know and behold, you know, booners might
43:38
Speaker 1: come by, you know. So so the so honey in
43:41
Speaker 1: the South. You Brad Ferris, who's ran the Primos TV
43:46
Speaker 1: and video department for years and still is part of
43:48
Speaker 1: the show. Um he he is incredible at being to
43:54
Speaker 1: look at that kind of country and figure it out.
43:57
Speaker 1: We call them buck lines. The buck lines vegetate in
44:00
Speaker 1: different stuff can be a funnel to a white tail
44:05
Speaker 1: in this part of the country. And you're hunting food
44:07
Speaker 1: sources a lot this time of year. You've got for simmons,
44:11
Speaker 1: You've got honey locusts. Um. These are some of the foods.
44:14
Speaker 1: And then we have native pecans. Native pecan is about
44:19
Speaker 1: two or three times as big as the small name
44:21
Speaker 1: along your little finger. They're real little, they're full of oil,
44:25
Speaker 1: and they are the redwood to me. They are the
44:27
Speaker 1: redwood of the Mississippi River, as the redwood is to California.
44:31
Speaker 1: They are huge, and when they get to be eight
44:34
Speaker 1: years old, there's bigger runners to pick up truck, and
44:36
Speaker 1: so tall and straight. It's just incredible and they're unbelievable
44:40
Speaker 1: producers of math. The number of the cons in those
44:44
Speaker 1: trees is crazy. So we had a big wind storm
44:46
Speaker 1: come by last week and it just on the river.
44:50
Speaker 1: There's just but the dominant tree is the native pecan,
44:54
Speaker 1: and so there's just mass on the ground everywhere and
44:58
Speaker 1: it really changes the hattern because they don't have to
45:01
Speaker 1: go very far to get food. Um the water sources,
45:05
Speaker 1: you've got the river they can feed in, You've got slews.
45:08
Speaker 1: So it's really hard to hunt water sources. So you've
45:11
Speaker 1: got to find out where the thick areas are and
45:15
Speaker 1: you make some of those. You know in time and
45:17
Speaker 1: why you're why you're dealing with your property. But they're
45:20
Speaker 1: gonna be in those stick areas, and we like to
45:23
Speaker 1: go in and provide a way to hunt them. Like
45:28
Speaker 1: we'll go in there and we'll make a thick area,
45:30
Speaker 1: like say a three to five acre, I mean a
45:33
Speaker 1: cut over, and we keep it that way. We're going
45:35
Speaker 1: there and hacking squirt and poison to keep it. We
45:37
Speaker 1: don't want it growing back up in big trees. And
45:40
Speaker 1: we but for the dominant wind that we have, which
45:44
Speaker 1: is going to be a southerly or northerly in nature,
45:47
Speaker 1: but southerly when the southern flows are coming out of
45:50
Speaker 1: the Gulf and northerly northwest where the winds are coming
45:52
Speaker 1: in from the north as came through like just happened.
45:55
Speaker 1: We're gonna go in there. We're gonna make a small
45:57
Speaker 1: food plot usually in an hour, last eight and we're
46:01
Speaker 1: going to grind the stumps and we're gonna make that
46:04
Speaker 1: food plot, and it's gonna have a lot of cover
46:06
Speaker 1: next to it except for where we enter on the
46:09
Speaker 1: down wind side, and you gotta enter from the down
46:11
Speaker 1: on one side. You can't come in from the other
46:13
Speaker 1: direction or they're gonna smell you. They may get up
46:15
Speaker 1: and leave, or they may just lay there. They just
46:17
Speaker 1: they know you're there. A white tail can tell by
46:20
Speaker 1: smelling you how close you are, whether you're twenty yards
46:23
Speaker 1: away or whether you're fifty yards away or a quarter
46:26
Speaker 1: mile away. They they it's intensity and they they're that
46:30
Speaker 1: they're that good at it um. So we build that
46:35
Speaker 1: to enable us to hunt a food source for early season.
46:38
Speaker 1: And then you typically know what we call regions, believe
46:42
Speaker 1: it or not. We've got ridges on the Mississippi River,
46:44
Speaker 1: some of them maybe six inches elevation in height. And
46:49
Speaker 1: I remember the first time a guy from up up
46:52
Speaker 1: there came up in your part of the country, came
46:54
Speaker 1: home with me at my farm, and I would saying,
46:57
Speaker 1: we just walk into you to you get to see
47:00
Speaker 1: the ridge. I wasn't thinking, you know, I said, what
47:02
Speaker 1: do you see the ridge? Then walk down the ridge
47:04
Speaker 1: and you'll see the stand right there on the edge
47:06
Speaker 1: of the ridge. And so I came back, he said,
47:09
Speaker 1: I finally found the stand in an hour after it
47:11
Speaker 1: got daylight. I said, dude, what and because there was
47:14
Speaker 1: no ridge. So I walked him in there and showed
47:17
Speaker 1: thee says, this is a ridge. It's really it's a
47:21
Speaker 1: six inch elevation, and the deer will walk that. It
47:25
Speaker 1: may be ten yards ride or twenty yards ride. Is
47:27
Speaker 1: how the river, the Misissippi River and the missipilivial floodplains
47:30
Speaker 1: before the levees were built on the Minissippi River and
47:33
Speaker 1: all that came in and move the water and built
47:36
Speaker 1: up sediment and caused these depressions flews or oxbow lakes
47:42
Speaker 1: off of other rivers or ridges, and you learn, you
47:47
Speaker 1: learn the finite details. And a Southern hunter can more
47:52
Speaker 1: quickly find the nuances of the stuff in the Midwest,
47:57
Speaker 1: I think, because when we go we're looking at it
48:00
Speaker 1: with a different attitude. We're not looking for what the
48:02
Speaker 1: big blinking neon light. We're looking for those teeny tiny
48:05
Speaker 1: subtle sounds, subtle sites and terrain features that uh, we'll
48:10
Speaker 1: guide a light tell to what we call it trade.
48:13
Speaker 1: We we would develop in I will we least land
48:15
Speaker 1: for quite a few years and we had I don't
48:17
Speaker 1: know we had three or four. We called them killing
48:19
Speaker 1: trees and we can never moved to sand they were
48:21
Speaker 1: killing trees. I'm sure you've got some of those in
48:24
Speaker 1: your part of world. Can you elaborate a little bit
48:28
Speaker 1: on for the for the southern deer hunter, those those
48:32
Speaker 1: nu ones, little features or whatever it might be, whether
48:36
Speaker 1: it's terrain or cover or or something else. Can you
48:39
Speaker 1: elaborate some of those things that you found do funnel
48:42
Speaker 1: deer or or help you better choose where understand where
48:46
Speaker 1: these deer might be moving. In general, deer are lazy um.
48:52
Speaker 1: When they're moving, they relax and moving and so to
48:56
Speaker 1: get down on their chest and go under something like
49:00
Speaker 1: bob war fence. If they're entering a field or something
49:02
Speaker 1: that I mean, they'll do that. But if they're just
49:05
Speaker 1: walking through the woods, they're not typically going to do that.
49:09
Speaker 1: So you're looking for treetops and you're looking for the
49:13
Speaker 1: wind may have come down and blown down several trees,
49:16
Speaker 1: and you start paying attention to how that forms, so
49:20
Speaker 1: to speak, a fence. Um jack fences in the Midwest
49:25
Speaker 1: for us were a big guide them for deer. UH
49:30
Speaker 1: jack fence is UH fence has put up typically because
49:33
Speaker 1: the ground has got too much rocks in and you
49:35
Speaker 1: can't put a post in the ground. You don't want
49:37
Speaker 1: to use t posts as you can be difficult. So
49:40
Speaker 1: they're they're leaning fences made out of saplings as big
49:45
Speaker 1: as your calf, say, or maybe a touch bigger, and
49:48
Speaker 1: they're they're forming a uh tepe look. And then you
49:53
Speaker 1: have cross members that keep cattle or livestock or whatever
49:59
Speaker 1: in a certain area, horses uh and so these are
50:02
Speaker 1: great guiders guiding guidance to the white tails. And we
50:06
Speaker 1: would look at those got determine how the deer were traveling.
50:09
Speaker 1: Then of course you find their trails that they're using
50:11
Speaker 1: them a lot. But in the South, you're looking for
50:14
Speaker 1: tree tops, you're looking for kane thicket, you're looking for
50:17
Speaker 1: buck vines um, You're you're looking for stuff that's so
50:22
Speaker 1: thick that a deer can stay hidden until he gets
50:26
Speaker 1: to an open area. So you start walking the edge
50:30
Speaker 1: of that thick stuff. It could be Johnson grass, it
50:34
Speaker 1: could be gold and rod um. I mean that's some
50:38
Speaker 1: of the stuff would be six eight feet tall if
50:40
Speaker 1: you cannot see the deer in there, and you can't
50:43
Speaker 1: see him until he gets to the open spots. So
50:45
Speaker 1: you you go to the open spot and you you
50:48
Speaker 1: you walk it looking for any trails where they may
50:52
Speaker 1: be repetitively using a trail to get to the masteres
50:59
Speaker 1: or or to an agricultural area or to a water
51:03
Speaker 1: a watering area. You just kind of really pay attention
51:09
Speaker 1: and not look for the obvious, look for the things
51:11
Speaker 1: that aren't obvious. You mentioned buck vines, can what's water
51:16
Speaker 1: buck vines? Maybe I'm just ignorant because I haven't been
51:19
Speaker 1: down in that part of the country. Yeah. Yeah. Buck
51:20
Speaker 1: vines may be as big as your wrists. And they
51:23
Speaker 1: will grow on these big huge pecans and and on
51:28
Speaker 1: sycamores and cottonwoods down in the south along the river
51:31
Speaker 1: and other places, and you get so many of them.
51:34
Speaker 1: They're like a tangle um and they and then they
51:38
Speaker 1: come loose from the tree and you can imagine Tarzan
51:41
Speaker 1: swinging from trigger tree on them. It's kind of what
51:43
Speaker 1: they look like. But they can form a a wall
51:47
Speaker 1: of sorts in the woods, and it might not be
51:50
Speaker 1: more than a fifty yard wall or a twenty yard wall,
51:55
Speaker 1: but they will hit that and go down it and
51:58
Speaker 1: then go to the net. And so you're looking for
52:01
Speaker 1: things like that that help you determine the movement of
52:05
Speaker 1: a white tail. And then hunting a place in the
52:08
Speaker 1: rut is another deal. They're typically rut um and they'll
52:12
Speaker 1: show up in an area that typically you wouldn't see him,
52:17
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, dagn he showed up last
52:20
Speaker 1: November this time, and here he is again, where is
52:22
Speaker 1: he being? We don't have him on camera. We had
52:25
Speaker 1: nobody seen him though. I think they're just not turnal
52:29
Speaker 1: as I'll get out um and living in thick areas,
52:32
Speaker 1: and they move at night until it gets closer to
52:35
Speaker 1: the rug speaking of speaking of of trail cameras and
52:40
Speaker 1: and you know sometimes figure out these bucks might be
52:42
Speaker 1: nocturnal and trying to figure them out, um, you know
52:46
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, when you know, typically we're trying to
52:49
Speaker 1: pattern a buck or something, right, it's these kind of
52:52
Speaker 1: stereotypical usual ways of guys do it. They get they
52:54
Speaker 1: got a trail camera on a scrape, on a field
52:57
Speaker 1: edge or on a food plot, and they just figure
52:59
Speaker 1: outously coming from this block of timber or that block
53:01
Speaker 1: of timber or whatever it might be. UM, it seems
53:04
Speaker 1: like it must be a lot more difficult to try
53:06
Speaker 1: to pattern a mature buck in your neck of the woods,
53:09
Speaker 1: given the diversity and terrain and cover the extent of cover. Um,
53:16
Speaker 1: are you are you using kind of similar tactics with
53:19
Speaker 1: trail cameras and and basically you know, patterning him off
53:22
Speaker 1: of that those types of things or is there something
53:23
Speaker 1: different you guys are doing. Yes, you can now. Uh.
53:27
Speaker 1: Summer salt licks have been a real plus for us. UM.
53:33
Speaker 1: They use them so regularly, and then you start getting
53:35
Speaker 1: the pictures these velvet books. UM. One deer in particular,
53:40
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. UM. We named him Eric, after a
53:44
Speaker 1: friend of mine who was actually publisher of alcohol Life
53:47
Speaker 1: Feel the Stream at the time. He was the first
53:50
Speaker 1: person to ever see Eric on the hoof. We had
53:54
Speaker 1: pictures of him, but we've never seen on the hoof.
53:57
Speaker 1: And he was a three and a half row. But
54:00
Speaker 1: he was a hundred sixty three and a half year old.
54:03
Speaker 1: And this this is really really really that's an estimate.
54:08
Speaker 1: I don't no idea that p he was. He might
54:09
Speaker 1: have been one. He was only fixt the class dear,
54:13
Speaker 1: and he was he was just a great eight point um.
54:17
Speaker 1: So he was on my farm. I sold my farm,
54:20
Speaker 1: and my farm was very large, and he moved a
54:23
Speaker 1: mile away and we didn't know it. We were hunting
54:26
Speaker 1: another spot and he came out of a planted c
54:31
Speaker 1: RP field which was very, very thick. We had taken
54:34
Speaker 1: a cotton field and put it back into c RP
54:36
Speaker 1: and he walked out about a hundred yards way down
54:39
Speaker 1: the lane. We were looking down. We were bow hunting,
54:41
Speaker 1: and he walked out and we had a dough that
54:44
Speaker 1: had already come out from where he was, and he
54:46
Speaker 1: was fixing the walk right in front office. And when
54:48
Speaker 1: he stepped out, we went, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna
54:51
Speaker 1: have to make a decision to kill him or not
54:53
Speaker 1: because he's three and a half. And he turned him
54:56
Speaker 1: with the other way, and so then we got to thinking,
54:58
Speaker 1: my gosh, he's a min from where he was. He's no,
55:01
Speaker 1: he's We wondered what happened to him, So we started
55:07
Speaker 1: putting up trail cameras and we got pictures of him.
55:11
Speaker 1: We decided to pass on him. The next summer we start.
55:15
Speaker 1: We put on a salt lick that was was outside
55:18
Speaker 1: the ce R P field, but not more than by
55:19
Speaker 1: fift yards in the big Woods. We put a trail
55:22
Speaker 1: camera on that salt lid and started getting pictures of
55:25
Speaker 1: him there regularly. And I'm estimating he's a hundred and
55:32
Speaker 1: seventy eight five inch deer this year in velvet. I
55:36
Speaker 1: mean he's he's a nine point he's gotta split brow
55:40
Speaker 1: and um, he's just massive. A matter of fact, you
55:44
Speaker 1: can you can see that hunt. It's on YouTube somewhere.
55:47
Speaker 1: You go to I think you go to, um Mrs
55:50
Speaker 1: will Primos p R I m os Will Primos Mississippi
55:55
Speaker 1: pig Buck. Why we titled it that, I don't know
55:59
Speaker 1: why I get more views, but anymore, you can actually
56:02
Speaker 1: see the actual because it's on video. So we figured
56:06
Speaker 1: he was living in the c RP field and we
56:08
Speaker 1: had to have uh a wind that had some north
56:14
Speaker 1: and uh some east to flight bit of east in
56:17
Speaker 1: it to be able to hunt him there. Firm memory correct,
56:18
Speaker 1: that's a meant a while. Um. At any rate, we
56:22
Speaker 1: got on the edge of that field and we got
56:24
Speaker 1: about a hundred yards from the salt lick, and he
56:27
Speaker 1: was coming through there, moving from the one going to
56:30
Speaker 1: the salt lick. Anymore but we had pictures of him
56:32
Speaker 1: on the edge of that CRP field, coming out of it,
56:35
Speaker 1: moving through right at dusk, and he showed up and
56:40
Speaker 1: he was out in front of us, and he I
56:44
Speaker 1: couldn't I couldn't believe it. And then he turned around
56:46
Speaker 1: like he's like he's like he smells something or he
56:48
Speaker 1: thought of something, and he turned around. I'm sorry. The
56:51
Speaker 1: wind was northwest and the northwest, remember now, and he
56:54
Speaker 1: turned around and headed in a southwest direction, like you know.
56:59
Speaker 1: And I was just like deflated, and there's an opportunity.
57:03
Speaker 1: We hadn't talked about it yet. But Colin, So the
57:06
Speaker 1: cameraman was Johnny st. Clair's the guy who ran the
57:09
Speaker 1: farm from a great guy. He's running the camera. I'm honey,
57:13
Speaker 1: and he could still see his horns and he's higher
57:16
Speaker 1: than me because he's gonna staying higher than me. And
57:18
Speaker 1: I couldn't see and he could still see the tops
57:20
Speaker 1: of his horns and he's his college and Colton and
57:22
Speaker 1: so I got out of my can and man, man
57:25
Speaker 1: beleeve it and he said he stopped. Run at him,
57:27
Speaker 1: run in, you know. So I grunted at him and
57:30
Speaker 1: he said, he's not moving. So I weezed at him,
57:32
Speaker 1: and it wasn't very long at all. I thought he
57:34
Speaker 1: was gone. He won't coming. All of a sudden he's
57:37
Speaker 1: in front office and I was able to kill him.
57:40
Speaker 1: And if he wasn't for the cameras, and we we
57:43
Speaker 1: actually had like eight cameras surrounding where we thought he
57:47
Speaker 1: was living. But we wouldn't go into that that crp field.
57:50
Speaker 1: Of course. Um, but you it's that's a good example
57:54
Speaker 1: of you cannot go into what people call their core area.
57:57
Speaker 1: You gotta let it be there and let him be happy.
58:00
Speaker 1: Don't go to that area if the winds at your back,
58:03
Speaker 1: never let him know you're even looking for it, and
58:05
Speaker 1: put out those cameras and then use that surveillance to
58:09
Speaker 1: kind of tell you where to place your stand. Of course,
58:12
Speaker 1: everything what makes what makes it so cool is every
58:15
Speaker 1: one of these things is different. Every white till is different,
58:19
Speaker 1: every hunt is different, every scenario is different, Every terrain, landscape,
58:23
Speaker 1: the habitat, the thickness of it, the openness of it,
58:27
Speaker 1: all of that's different. And so you have to take
58:30
Speaker 1: all that information and start trying to put your puzzle together.
58:33
Speaker 1: But the big thing is is to respect them. Do
58:36
Speaker 1: not let him know you exist, you do that and
58:41
Speaker 1: you're changing the game. All right, Let's take a quick
58:45
Speaker 1: break here for a word from our partners at white
58:48
Speaker 1: Tail Properties. This week with the white Tail Properties, we
58:52
Speaker 1: are joined by Jason Ziegler, a land specialist in the Minnesota,
58:55
Speaker 1: and Jason is going to be talking to us about
58:57
Speaker 1: how to hunt an active farm during the un Well.
59:02
Speaker 1: One of the biggest things is is timing. You know,
59:04
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of times the farmers are
59:06
Speaker 1: in the fields harvesting the corn at either the peak
59:10
Speaker 1: of the pre rut er right at the beginning of
59:11
Speaker 1: the rut, and that can really trigger deer movement inside
59:15
Speaker 1: of the timber. You gotta figure a lot of the
59:19
Speaker 1: deer that are living on these farms are going to
59:21
Speaker 1: add fields, specifically standing corn that's great cover form, and
59:24
Speaker 1: the farm results are taking them off. You want to
59:26
Speaker 1: be in the woods to catch some of that rutting activity.
59:29
Speaker 1: You're driving all over the deer now into the specific
59:31
Speaker 1: area versus a vast flat land of corn. So that's
59:35
Speaker 1: one of the things that I trigger on is get
59:37
Speaker 1: inside the timber, hunt the ridges, hunt the points and
59:40
Speaker 1: the fingers. The majority that they are going to be
59:43
Speaker 1: in that timber and coinciding with the rut, perfect timing
59:46
Speaker 1: to maybe catch that bruiser buck that you've been looking
59:49
Speaker 1: for on a doll moving back and forth between what
59:53
Speaker 1: the farmers are doing and what you're doing. So that's
59:55
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things, is the key in on
59:57
Speaker 1: the timber and get out there while they're harvesting the corn.
59:59
Speaker 1: I know, the key factor is to look at your
1:00:01
Speaker 1: food plots. Your food plots are gonna light up like
1:00:03
Speaker 1: a Christmas tree once the farmer gets the egg ground
1:00:06
Speaker 1: off or their crops off the fields. Those foods, those
1:00:09
Speaker 1: they are gonna really key on those food plots. If
1:00:12
Speaker 1: you'd like to learn more and to see the properties
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Speaker 1: that Jason currently has listed for sale, visit white Tail
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Speaker 1: properties dot com. Backslash Ziegler It's z I E G
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Speaker 1: L E R. Now yeah. Now, now there's one exception
1:00:27
Speaker 1: to that rule, though, I think, which is when you
1:00:31
Speaker 1: are doing what you just mentioned there, which is calling
1:00:34
Speaker 1: to them. So you do want them to know you're there,
1:00:36
Speaker 1: but you just want him to think of something different. Right,
1:00:38
Speaker 1: You're trying, you're trying to kill him, and you've got
1:00:40
Speaker 1: him there, no doubt. Example, I'm talking that, don't let
1:00:42
Speaker 1: him know you're there while you're scouting. Yeah, yeah, and
1:00:47
Speaker 1: you put that in there. That's for a minute, while
1:00:48
Speaker 1: you're trying to get your stand in place and while
1:00:51
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out how to hunt him. Don't
1:00:54
Speaker 1: let him know you're looking for him. Don't know you don't.
1:00:56
Speaker 1: Just don't let him hear you or sail you. Now,
1:00:59
Speaker 1: now let's fast forward though to that hunting situation. Though,
1:01:03
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, you were able to call this buck
1:01:05
Speaker 1: in UM. Let's talk about calling a little bit. Obviously
1:01:09
Speaker 1: you are you are one of the foremost experts on
1:01:12
Speaker 1: this topic. Given the fact that you kind of invented
1:01:15
Speaker 1: the category in a lot of ways, could you kind
1:01:17
Speaker 1: of walk us through, Could you walk us through the
1:01:20
Speaker 1: different calls that you like to use, um, and then
1:01:23
Speaker 1: what the proper like scenario would be to use those,
1:01:26
Speaker 1: and other considerations that might be on your mind when
1:01:28
Speaker 1: going through that kind of thing. Yeah, sure, it was
1:01:31
Speaker 1: no one when I didn't invent it all. There's so
1:01:33
Speaker 1: many great hunters who have believed in calls and have
1:01:36
Speaker 1: added to it. Uh. Down South, we used to hunt
1:01:39
Speaker 1: only with dogs, and you let dogs us and run
1:01:42
Speaker 1: them across the swamp. It didn't have a lot of beer.
1:01:44
Speaker 1: But then as we got more deer and people wanted
1:01:46
Speaker 1: to steal hunt and I wanted to see dear being deer.
1:01:48
Speaker 1: That's what Colin really became an advantage um. Number one.
1:01:53
Speaker 1: The problem for most hunters is even people that hunt
1:01:56
Speaker 1: a lot, they haven't heard all these sounds I did
1:02:00
Speaker 1: out of my research and in my designs, and sounds
1:02:03
Speaker 1: that I was trying to make. By you, by me
1:02:06
Speaker 1: and around ten deer or a brown pet deer. Uh,
1:02:10
Speaker 1: listen to him, Listen to their wheezes and listen to
1:02:13
Speaker 1: what they did. Had a friend at a South Mississippi
1:02:16
Speaker 1: that had a beautiful book um in about a twenty
1:02:19
Speaker 1: acre enclosure that they raised his phone um and they
1:02:23
Speaker 1: didn't want to let it get away, so they put
1:02:24
Speaker 1: it in that little enclosure. And that deer during the rut,
1:02:28
Speaker 1: he would see you as competition. You walk up with
1:02:30
Speaker 1: that fence and he shade. He turned it on, and
1:02:34
Speaker 1: his lift would go back and his hair would go
1:02:36
Speaker 1: and eat, and he slammed that fence trying to get
1:02:38
Speaker 1: to it even though he was he loves you. When
1:02:41
Speaker 1: it wasn't the rut, you know, let your pet him
1:02:43
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But the the can
1:02:46
Speaker 1: is usually the first sound that I'm producing. Every deer
1:02:49
Speaker 1: knows what that means. And during the rut, I got
1:02:52
Speaker 1: a can here in my hand. But that sound is
1:02:57
Speaker 1: the sound of the dough that is in stress and estress.
1:03:01
Speaker 1: She's calling for the attention of a buck, or she's
1:03:05
Speaker 1: almost like she's crying that she's she's saying, she's like
1:03:08
Speaker 1: they're in a tremendous stress at that time when they're
1:03:12
Speaker 1: when they're ready for a buck to breathe them. And
1:03:15
Speaker 1: if they're not with a buck, they want to they
1:03:16
Speaker 1: want a book to know that, and that speculation on
1:03:19
Speaker 1: my buck. And I don't think they think like humans,
1:03:21
Speaker 1: but they're they're going through what God is built into them,
1:03:26
Speaker 1: the instinctive things that they'll be able to do to
1:03:29
Speaker 1: to be able to procreate and to get the species
1:03:32
Speaker 1: a new generation of the species going. So the doble
1:03:36
Speaker 1: will do that. And then if there's a buck nearby, uh,
1:03:42
Speaker 1: and he sees another buck anywhere clear close by, he's
1:03:46
Speaker 1: gonna grunt at him. He's gonna let him know stay away.
1:03:50
Speaker 1: And that grunt can be you're simple just to stay away.
1:03:55
Speaker 1: And if that other buck makes an approach to that
1:03:58
Speaker 1: bucking though, then he is going to roar at him.
1:04:02
Speaker 1: And a roar is a sound that one buck makes
1:04:06
Speaker 1: another buck that he is fixing to fight. He's he's
1:04:11
Speaker 1: he's telling him stay away. And that is a very
1:04:14
Speaker 1: very aggressive, loud, extended grunt. This is it's a roar.
1:04:23
Speaker 1: And if that buck continues to make advances, the last
1:04:28
Speaker 1: thing he's gonna do before he lowers his head and
1:04:30
Speaker 1: slams into his Now, I did that on our buck roller,
1:04:38
Speaker 1: which is my favorite call that we make. The rout
1:04:40
Speaker 1: roarer is good as well, but uh, the buck roarer
1:04:44
Speaker 1: is my favorite. Now, the weeze is the last, the
1:04:49
Speaker 1: last deal, and that what what you need to know
1:04:51
Speaker 1: about those sounds is is that the bleak is the lowest,
1:04:56
Speaker 1: carries the least. It's a low say on it. It's
1:05:01
Speaker 1: only so loud. It only carries so far. And then
1:05:04
Speaker 1: the roarer carries the furthest and the weize, I mean
1:05:09
Speaker 1: the carries further than the bleat, and the weeze carries
1:05:12
Speaker 1: the furtherest because it's a high pitched sound and it
1:05:14
Speaker 1: travels through the wave lengths will travel further. So if
1:05:18
Speaker 1: you see a buck. And let's say he's a hundred
1:05:21
Speaker 1: fift yards away. You got a little wind going on,
1:05:22
Speaker 1: and you can tell he's dog and he's he's trying
1:05:25
Speaker 1: to pick up the scent of of of a of
1:05:27
Speaker 1: a dope. He put his head down picking it up.
1:05:29
Speaker 1: But his head down picking it up, he's just he's
1:05:31
Speaker 1: kind of sniffing the ground, picking his nose up, sniff
1:05:33
Speaker 1: and he's trying to get the scent of a dope.
1:05:36
Speaker 1: And you you bled at him, and you go if
1:05:41
Speaker 1: he doesn't, if he hears you, he's gonna stop him
1:05:43
Speaker 1: look and you'll know it next down. That's how you
1:05:46
Speaker 1: want to do is and he's liabel start marching you away.
1:05:50
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, then and he turned, he doesn't turn
1:05:54
Speaker 1: to he heard you, but he starts walking away. Weeze
1:05:57
Speaker 1: at him. That's the challenge, and that what you're saying
1:06:01
Speaker 1: by making all those sounds to that bucket. Hey, there's
1:06:04
Speaker 1: a hot door over here, and there's a buck over here,
1:06:05
Speaker 1: and he's telling you can stay away. Where he's telling
1:06:08
Speaker 1: another book to stay away. That might be even closer,
1:06:11
Speaker 1: and that buck will come in and see if you
1:06:12
Speaker 1: can get in on the action. But let's just say
1:06:15
Speaker 1: you're in a standing you haven't seen anything. You're hunting
1:06:18
Speaker 1: your cut over, you've the dear even coming out of
1:06:20
Speaker 1: that cut over. It's thirty minutes before dark. You haven't
1:06:23
Speaker 1: seen anything yet. Turned the can over twice. Wait a minute,
1:06:28
Speaker 1: run yeah, yeah, wait a minute, wait, thirty seconds yay, roar,
1:06:38
Speaker 1: and then thirty seconds later, ten seconds later, and he's
1:06:48
Speaker 1: gonna stand up. A good chance he's gonna stand up.
1:06:50
Speaker 1: I would say for me, it probably works. I pick
1:06:55
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do it, but I'm gonna say it
1:06:57
Speaker 1: probably works for me fifteen percent of the time. That's
1:07:00
Speaker 1: pretty high percentage rates. When you need seeing nothing and
1:07:03
Speaker 1: he comes in looking now, you want to have the
1:07:05
Speaker 1: wind in your favor. A lot of times, when he
1:07:08
Speaker 1: gets fifty yards, he'll start circling down wind. Hopefully he's
1:07:15
Speaker 1: gonna come within bow range of you and you're gonna
1:07:18
Speaker 1: be able to make that shock. But that's just a
1:07:20
Speaker 1: couple of calling scenarios, and it's very typical of what
1:07:23
Speaker 1: I did when I killed Eric Um. By the way,
1:07:26
Speaker 1: Eric scored two didn't that's gross. That's gross scored by
1:07:31
Speaker 1: official score, and he's mass it's just, oh gosh, the
1:07:35
Speaker 1: pictures of him and just always he took an incredible picture.
1:07:40
Speaker 1: Um just because he's just it's got such massum. He
1:07:44
Speaker 1: just always so always pretty. Have to look him up.
1:07:46
Speaker 1: He's pretty, but he's a pretty buck. I will, I
1:07:48
Speaker 1: will for sure. Now, what about region regionality? Does the
1:07:54
Speaker 1: aggressive types of calls that we're talking about here doing
1:07:57
Speaker 1: a lot of these snort wheezes or buck rows, is
1:07:59
Speaker 1: that going to be is effective in Louisiana or Arkansas
1:08:02
Speaker 1: as it is in Iowa or Kansas? Or do we
1:08:05
Speaker 1: need to kind of temper things based on your location
1:08:09
Speaker 1: or hunting pressure or other things like that. I don't.
1:08:13
Speaker 1: You know, if everybody in the woods is doing it,
1:08:15
Speaker 1: you're gonna have hunting pressure, and you know it's gonna
1:08:17
Speaker 1: be that that's not not good. But it's usually not
1:08:20
Speaker 1: the case with the white tail. But I would not
1:08:23
Speaker 1: regionalize it as much as I would say the better
1:08:29
Speaker 1: areas that have mature books and or a managed her
1:08:34
Speaker 1: so there's more books, there's not too many doughs. In
1:08:38
Speaker 1: other words, that you've got to manage. He's got a
1:08:41
Speaker 1: three to one ratio is great at three dogs to one.
1:08:45
Speaker 1: Two to ones can be even better. But any time,
1:08:48
Speaker 1: you've got age classes of your your seven and a
1:08:53
Speaker 1: half to six and a half year old, five and
1:08:55
Speaker 1: a half, four and a half year old, you've got
1:08:57
Speaker 1: your three and a half year olds or two and
1:08:58
Speaker 1: a half year olds, and you've got your doughes eat
1:09:00
Speaker 1: and you've got all age classes. Calling can work great
1:09:04
Speaker 1: because there's competitiveness. So if you if you've got a
1:09:08
Speaker 1: situation in your stay, in your area and your hunting
1:09:11
Speaker 1: club in your public land area where it's a a
1:09:15
Speaker 1: competitive for the animals, your calling is going to be
1:09:19
Speaker 1: more effective. That makes sense. No, no where does rattling
1:09:24
Speaker 1: fit into your calling tactics? Does that fit into this
1:09:27
Speaker 1: whole sequence you mentioned? Or if if I've done all everything,
1:09:32
Speaker 1: you know, rattling carry is pretty good. And if I've
1:09:34
Speaker 1: done everything, um like collar and I haven't seen anything
1:09:39
Speaker 1: and I avoided you know, minutes, I'll try to rattle
1:09:43
Speaker 1: and if I see a dear way off, I can
1:09:45
Speaker 1: try to rattle. And I have had had some great
1:09:47
Speaker 1: success rattling. Um, I'm gonna say I've been successful rattling
1:09:54
Speaker 1: five five to almost ten percent of time that I've
1:09:57
Speaker 1: that I've tried. Not always a big buck, um, but
1:10:01
Speaker 1: I don't write along, Um, that's my style. You can.
1:10:06
Speaker 1: But one of the things that's so hard to duplicate
1:10:08
Speaker 1: in a rattling situation. If you've ever seen bucks fight,
1:10:12
Speaker 1: A lot of times people see them fighting fields edge
1:10:15
Speaker 1: fields and stuff like that. But if they're fighting in
1:10:18
Speaker 1: the woods, if you're in the woods and you're you're
1:10:20
Speaker 1: you're fighting, you're gonna hear pushing, shoving, and a lot
1:10:24
Speaker 1: of quiet. You're not gonna hear the the horns all
1:10:28
Speaker 1: the time because they lock up and minutes a pushing match.
1:10:32
Speaker 1: So you're hearing dirt moving, ground moving, limbs being shaken,
1:10:37
Speaker 1: limbs breaking, saplings bending over. Um, you're you're hearing a
1:10:43
Speaker 1: different sounds other than just horns rattling. So if I
1:10:47
Speaker 1: rattle and I've got some corn, I will just and
1:10:56
Speaker 1: then be quiet for a minute. A lot of times
1:10:59
Speaker 1: that's all the fight that will be because somebody, one
1:11:03
Speaker 1: of those deer is going to establish authority and strength
1:11:05
Speaker 1: pretty quick, and then he's gonna he's gonna turn and
1:11:09
Speaker 1: get the heck out of there because he doesn't want
1:11:11
Speaker 1: to get his butt slammed there, and other deer in
1:11:14
Speaker 1: the area become curious and then so wait you know,
1:11:18
Speaker 1: five and ten minutes and and wees wait five to
1:11:23
Speaker 1: ten minutes and or grunt or roar anytime you've got
1:11:28
Speaker 1: the wind in your favor, especially if you're on the
1:11:30
Speaker 1: edge of a field. Perfect scenarios if you've got a
1:11:34
Speaker 1: bench and you've got a low field along the river bottom,
1:11:38
Speaker 1: you've got a bench from deer walking the bench and
1:11:41
Speaker 1: they've got to come by you to get to that field,
1:11:44
Speaker 1: and you do this college and sequence has a good
1:11:46
Speaker 1: chance you'll entice the deer to come see what all
1:11:49
Speaker 1: is going home. Yeah, it's uh, it's a scenario that
1:11:54
Speaker 1: I feel like plays out many many times each fall.
1:11:57
Speaker 1: And it's kind of the thing you dream of too,
1:11:59
Speaker 1: where you you may as sitting there and it's been
1:12:01
Speaker 1: a slow day and you're like, you know what, I'm
1:12:02
Speaker 1: gonna try some calls, and then you see that set
1:12:06
Speaker 1: of antlers come pushing out of the grass ahead of you,
1:12:08
Speaker 1: just after you snort, snort, wheeze or something. I mean,
1:12:11
Speaker 1: that's that's it right there. I just actually grunted. I
1:12:16
Speaker 1: told you before we record were recording, but I actually
1:12:19
Speaker 1: grunted in a nice buck this morning. Actually that kind
1:12:21
Speaker 1: of deal. Um gave him a couple kind of contact grunts.
1:12:25
Speaker 1: I didn't get to the point where I had to
1:12:27
Speaker 1: roar or anything. But did you see him first? Yes?
1:12:31
Speaker 1: In this case, I did see him first. UM, And
1:12:34
Speaker 1: I can and the way I kind of go about things,
1:12:36
Speaker 1: if I see him first, I start kind of at
1:12:37
Speaker 1: the bottom like you said, and then we'll work my
1:12:39
Speaker 1: way up if I need to. Um. But all I
1:12:42
Speaker 1: needed was that was that contact grunt. Um. Now how
1:12:47
Speaker 1: timing for me, at least with a lot of these
1:12:49
Speaker 1: types of calls, I'm not really active with my calls
1:12:51
Speaker 1: a rady or anything until that pre rut or rut
1:12:54
Speaker 1: time frame. Is that the same thing you're doing or
1:12:56
Speaker 1: do you get this okay, no, day out. I mean
1:13:00
Speaker 1: it's almost like the deer speak English, and if you're
1:13:05
Speaker 1: doing all this aggressive calling before the pre rut starts,
1:13:09
Speaker 1: you're speaking Spanish and they don't know what it is.
1:13:12
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, it's totally totally changes everything. But now
1:13:17
Speaker 1: when you talk about timing, that makes my mind go
1:13:19
Speaker 1: to something years and nineteen, my early seventies, I made
1:13:25
Speaker 1: my first bow vest and what I what I wanted.
1:13:29
Speaker 1: I wanted something that when I pulled my bow back
1:13:33
Speaker 1: there were my string would have nothing in the way,
1:13:37
Speaker 1: my coat wouldn't be bullished out for hunting cold weather.
1:13:40
Speaker 1: I wanted to pull my stuff in and counting it
1:13:43
Speaker 1: and make sure my stream wanted gonna catch my zipper
1:13:47
Speaker 1: button on my coat whatever um I wanted to also
1:13:50
Speaker 1: later on, as I got these calls more developed than whatever,
1:13:54
Speaker 1: I wanted to be able to access and my can
1:13:56
Speaker 1: call without looking for it. And I wanted to because
1:13:58
Speaker 1: timing is everything. You see a buck coming through, he's
1:14:02
Speaker 1: eight yards away walking through the woods, and he's fixed
1:14:04
Speaker 1: and walked by a big oak, and you want to
1:14:06
Speaker 1: be able to call to him when his head passes
1:14:08
Speaker 1: behind that oak. You don't want him to be able
1:14:10
Speaker 1: to stop and turn and look exactly where you're called
1:14:13
Speaker 1: him from. You don't want to give away your exact
1:14:15
Speaker 1: location because he's gonna pinpointed anyway, but you don't want
1:14:19
Speaker 1: him to be able to see where it is. So
1:14:21
Speaker 1: I've got this gustage pocket on my right side. I'm
1:14:24
Speaker 1: right handed, so I'm pushing my bow with my left
1:14:26
Speaker 1: hand and I can reach in and grab my can
1:14:28
Speaker 1: never look forward pockets open, turned over and put it
1:14:32
Speaker 1: up well at error looking forward, looking for the pocket
1:14:36
Speaker 1: and it's got a place to tuck the grunt calling
1:14:40
Speaker 1: the front. If you want to wear it on a lanyard.
1:14:42
Speaker 1: I'll wear mine on my on my right wrist so
1:14:44
Speaker 1: that I can lift my arm, which is already going
1:14:47
Speaker 1: to be close to my string anyway. And it's also
1:14:51
Speaker 1: got a loop that I put the can with the
1:14:52
Speaker 1: bow in to hold the bow up. So if I
1:14:55
Speaker 1: gotta wait for this deer to approach, or he's feeding
1:14:57
Speaker 1: on the acorns coming my way, and I got to
1:14:59
Speaker 1: wash him for a long time for you know, ten minutes,
1:15:01
Speaker 1: I don't want all that weight on my my bow
1:15:04
Speaker 1: arm and tire my arm. Outside I have that little
1:15:07
Speaker 1: little pouch there, that little loop there that holds my
1:15:10
Speaker 1: bow up at the right height, but it doesn't tire
1:15:13
Speaker 1: my arm. So I'm real big on every stinking detail
1:15:18
Speaker 1: you could think of. The inside of the vest, I
1:15:21
Speaker 1: have places to store releases. Uh arm guard. I don't
1:15:26
Speaker 1: need an arm guard. But when you put on a
1:15:28
Speaker 1: lot of winter clothes, even though you shoot a bent
1:15:30
Speaker 1: arm and you shoot a quarter handle and you're pushing
1:15:33
Speaker 1: that bow correctly, you've got great form, your clothes can
1:15:36
Speaker 1: get in the way of that stream. Depending on your
1:15:38
Speaker 1: brave syte. The short of the brace site, the you know,
1:15:40
Speaker 1: the closer is gonna come to your arm, and I
1:15:44
Speaker 1: wear an arm guard, so I keep that right there.
1:15:46
Speaker 1: I got a mask. I don't always wear a mask,
1:15:50
Speaker 1: but there's sometimes when I don't have a lot of
1:15:51
Speaker 1: cover and I'm in a tree. I just said, I
1:15:53
Speaker 1: just don't want my face shine. And uh so this
1:15:56
Speaker 1: bow vest. If I if I get my bow vest
1:15:58
Speaker 1: and put it on, I ain't forgetting nothing, and it's
1:16:01
Speaker 1: all it's all there. Um. So it's a it's a
1:16:04
Speaker 1: pretty good cool deal because I I swear by the details.
1:16:09
Speaker 1: And it's when that little micro opportunity comes your way,
1:16:12
Speaker 1: if you don't take advantage of it, you're liable not
1:16:15
Speaker 1: to get that another chance. Yeah yeah, I I a
1:16:18
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty agree. And it's there's so many variables
1:16:22
Speaker 1: outside of our control as deer hunters, right, I mean,
1:16:25
Speaker 1: there's so many things outside our control. I just so
1:16:28
Speaker 1: firmly believe that we have to control all those variables
1:16:31
Speaker 1: that we do have some type of say over. And
1:16:34
Speaker 1: it's those little tiny details. So so back to time. Sorry,
1:16:39
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, um, back to timing. I
1:16:41
Speaker 1: was gonna kind of shift gears a little bit. Um.
1:16:44
Speaker 1: You mentioned how important timing was in regards to you know,
1:16:47
Speaker 1: calling at the right moment, you know, when the buck's
1:16:49
Speaker 1: not looking your way or something. Um, or the time
1:16:52
Speaker 1: of year, making sure it's in the pre rudder or rut.
1:16:55
Speaker 1: So we're talking English not Spanish. Um, what about just
1:17:00
Speaker 1: a rut in general? And I kinda went shift away
1:17:03
Speaker 1: from calling, move over to talking about the rut. And
1:17:06
Speaker 1: first I guess, how how do people in the South
1:17:09
Speaker 1: experience the rut differently than we do here up where
1:17:13
Speaker 1: I'm at. Um. I've heard a lot of different things
1:17:16
Speaker 1: about kind of wonky timing and all sorts of stuff
1:17:19
Speaker 1: like that. How was the how was the rut different
1:17:20
Speaker 1: down there? Well? When I'm hunted the Midwest, Um, there
1:17:28
Speaker 1: were days when I was so excited to be there
1:17:31
Speaker 1: and I would not see a deer. And then I'd
1:17:34
Speaker 1: go back to the little house we rented. Uh there now,
1:17:38
Speaker 1: and there's a big old book laid down at the
1:17:41
Speaker 1: fence in the backyard with a dope about eight yards
1:17:46
Speaker 1: from her laying there. Well, no wonder, I wantn't see
1:17:51
Speaker 1: you nothing. I mean they were locked up and he
1:17:54
Speaker 1: she was close to being bred, and he wasn't leaving her,
1:17:58
Speaker 1: and if she moved, he moved. But if she moved,
1:18:02
Speaker 1: he's gonna put her back down because he don't want
1:18:04
Speaker 1: her movement because when she moves and then come other
1:18:08
Speaker 1: bucks finder, and then he's got to fight. Then he's
1:18:11
Speaker 1: got to deal with that. So it's all about those
1:18:14
Speaker 1: big bucks finding those dose and keeping them down. When
1:18:18
Speaker 1: you don't have a hole, you've got a good balanced her.
1:18:21
Speaker 1: You know, at some point, just about every buck's got
1:18:24
Speaker 1: a dope, you know, hot, you know, beded down. So
1:18:27
Speaker 1: in the South it's it's a lot of the same. Um,
1:18:31
Speaker 1: it's all about doe movement. So the rout to me
1:18:34
Speaker 1: is figuring out where they want to be and hopefully
1:18:39
Speaker 1: them not going into lockdown. Um. Now we've hunted eastern
1:18:45
Speaker 1: Colorado near Shayan Wells, which is hundreds of thousands of
1:18:49
Speaker 1: acres of grain and and CRP fields. And how much
1:18:55
Speaker 1: fun is that? Because you ride around in a vehicle
1:18:59
Speaker 1: with spottings cope and you're finding dear walking and bedding
1:19:02
Speaker 1: down first light U from a mile away, half a
1:19:05
Speaker 1: mile away, and you're able to watch a buck bet
1:19:09
Speaker 1: up with the dough and then you're able to get
1:19:11
Speaker 1: the wind on them and make a stalk that may
1:19:13
Speaker 1: take two or three hours. And god, you talked about
1:19:17
Speaker 1: adrenaline field, But during that strength of the rut, when
1:19:21
Speaker 1: they're all locked down, you can find them there. The
1:19:25
Speaker 1: problem and is no different where we all hunt in
1:19:27
Speaker 1: the Midwest and where we hunt here once they get
1:19:30
Speaker 1: locked down, Uh, it's about It's all about the dope.
1:19:33
Speaker 1: She's got to move or he's got to let her move,
1:19:36
Speaker 1: uh to be able uh to do anything, because you
1:19:39
Speaker 1: can't hunt a book where he is. You gotta hunting
1:19:43
Speaker 1: where he's gonna be. M What about the timing of
1:19:47
Speaker 1: the rut? There's so many different little pockets of of
1:19:51
Speaker 1: unique timing for the rut and various locations across the South.
1:19:56
Speaker 1: Have you ever found a good explanation for why that
1:19:58
Speaker 1: is or how to keep tabs on all that down there? Well,
1:20:02
Speaker 1: when you've got to balanced herd, and let's say, let's see,
1:20:06
Speaker 1: if you've got a three to the three dough to
1:20:08
Speaker 1: one buck ratio or less, you've gotta balanced her and
1:20:12
Speaker 1: you have a mature class ages of bucks from six
1:20:16
Speaker 1: and a half set and a half on down, you've
1:20:18
Speaker 1: got the classes of bucks you've got this balanced herd.
1:20:23
Speaker 1: The rut in Mississippi, in the Mississippi Delta, Central, Mississippi
1:20:30
Speaker 1: North is going to start. The pre rud is gonna
1:20:35
Speaker 1: start just right at the day after Thanksgiving, a couple
1:20:40
Speaker 1: of days I thanked every year. And then uh as
1:20:44
Speaker 1: you get on the end of the end of December.
1:20:49
Speaker 1: By December, you know the tenth that's liable to be
1:20:54
Speaker 1: full born. Um. I've hunted in those areas not balanced,
1:20:58
Speaker 1: and they don't even seem to rut because there's there's
1:21:02
Speaker 1: too many doughs. I don't know, I'm not I mean,
1:21:05
Speaker 1: they've got studies. Mississippi State has done an incredible job
1:21:08
Speaker 1: of studying white tails and understanding their behavior and understand
1:21:15
Speaker 1: they're mating times and so forth. So the ruts going on,
1:21:19
Speaker 1: it is just not evident to us because the hearst
1:21:21
Speaker 1: out balances and they don't have to work hard to
1:21:23
Speaker 1: go find it do They don't have to move very much. Um,
1:21:28
Speaker 1: But typically it has for in my mind and what
1:21:32
Speaker 1: I've learned, it has to do with how balanced the
1:21:34
Speaker 1: herd is is when you're gonna have the rut, and
1:21:37
Speaker 1: if it's a balanced deal, it's gonna start shortly after
1:21:39
Speaker 1: Nanksgiving for the pre rut. Interesting all right, No, as
1:21:42
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, a matter of a matter of fact,
1:21:44
Speaker 1: that that Eric dear I was talking about. Um, I
1:21:48
Speaker 1: want to say I killed him the day after Thanksgiving.
1:21:50
Speaker 1: I got the David's They are a couple of days
1:21:52
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving some somewhere right in there, and it was
1:21:56
Speaker 1: it was pre rut. You can tell he was pre rutting.
1:21:58
Speaker 1: He was, he was, he was on the prowl and
1:22:01
Speaker 1: he was responding to Gauls. Interesting and that's in that's
1:22:04
Speaker 1: in the heart of Mississippi. So so okay, the rut. Well,
1:22:08
Speaker 1: right now, as this podcast is first being launched, it
1:22:12
Speaker 1: will be at kind of the the beginning of what
1:22:15
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to say is the
1:22:17
Speaker 1: peak of running activity across a lot of the country,
1:22:21
Speaker 1: especially in the Midwest, the northern two thirds of the country,
1:22:23
Speaker 1: these first couple of weeks when November for a lot
1:22:25
Speaker 1: of people is that great rut time period. Um. So
1:22:28
Speaker 1: for those people right now who are getting into the
1:22:30
Speaker 1: real heart of it already, and then for those who
1:22:32
Speaker 1: maybe in December have that to look forward to down south,
1:22:36
Speaker 1: what are your your kind of keys to success during
1:22:39
Speaker 1: the road. What are like the handful of things that
1:22:41
Speaker 1: you tell someone if they want to be able to
1:22:43
Speaker 1: kill the mature buck in the rut, do this well,
1:22:47
Speaker 1: don't get in the habit of hunting early. Only first
1:22:50
Speaker 1: thing in the morning and the first thing in the afternoon.
1:22:55
Speaker 1: Just an afternoon hunt, in morning hunt and skipping the
1:22:56
Speaker 1: middle of the day because they can be moving at
1:23:00
Speaker 1: any time, and a lot of times we don't realize
1:23:04
Speaker 1: that we were hunting. You're trying to hunt some food
1:23:06
Speaker 1: sources where the those may be coming through, and the
1:23:08
Speaker 1: bucks are looking for those. So let's say you're hunting
1:23:10
Speaker 1: an acre flat. You've got ten or twelve great white oaks,
1:23:14
Speaker 1: and they're in a certain spot, and you you go
1:23:17
Speaker 1: in there when you when you sneak in there in
1:23:19
Speaker 1: the dark, and you get in there early before if
1:23:21
Speaker 1: you're gonna get set up before the sun even thinks
1:23:23
Speaker 1: about coming up. And you're getting to your stand, and
1:23:26
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you hear deer running, You may
1:23:28
Speaker 1: hear they may blow at you, and once they hear you,
1:23:31
Speaker 1: if you do it you're under that stand correctly, you're
1:23:34
Speaker 1: gonna have to win in your face. So a trick
1:23:36
Speaker 1: there is to blow back at them. Just blow back
1:23:40
Speaker 1: at them. What they heard was a deer, it wasn't
1:23:42
Speaker 1: wasn't a human or if they might be moonlit and
1:23:45
Speaker 1: it might can see you. But what you're doing is
1:23:48
Speaker 1: you're running the deer off of this spot and you're
1:23:49
Speaker 1: teaching them that this is where the predators are coming to,
1:23:53
Speaker 1: the human predators come into. So a lot of times
1:23:56
Speaker 1: let them leave that spot and go in at ten o'clock.
1:24:00
Speaker 1: So hunting the rut is all about the dose. It's
1:24:05
Speaker 1: all about the books looking for dose. Food sources are
1:24:10
Speaker 1: good because the does are gonna eat, They're gonna be
1:24:12
Speaker 1: there wherever their does, that's where the buck is going
1:24:14
Speaker 1: to be. And you've just got to find those travelers
1:24:18
Speaker 1: where they're going back and forth. I love the Midwest
1:24:21
Speaker 1: because those those those pinch points were so so active
1:24:25
Speaker 1: and so incredible as deer went from one section to
1:24:28
Speaker 1: another section and used that pinch point to travel through.
1:24:32
Speaker 1: Um calling you do it, let them know you're there.
1:24:37
Speaker 1: Watch the wind like you've never watched it before. And
1:24:40
Speaker 1: I will tell you this, and I get a question
1:24:43
Speaker 1: of time. I've been using ozonics since the year it
1:24:46
Speaker 1: came out, and if you use ozonics correctly and use
1:24:50
Speaker 1: ozone correctly, you can protect your down wind side. UM.
1:24:55
Speaker 1: At my farm, I had nine ozone units ozonics units,
1:25:00
Speaker 1: and I nobody was allowed to hunt unless they were
1:25:03
Speaker 1: taught and used it because the down the down wind
1:25:07
Speaker 1: side if if you think you're hunting, them like to coming,
1:25:10
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of times they're behind you, or
1:25:12
Speaker 1: they may be you know, yards behind, you never know it.
1:25:16
Speaker 1: And if you will protect that down wind side always
1:25:20
Speaker 1: and eliminate your odor um, then you have a lot
1:25:23
Speaker 1: better chance of being successful later on, even if you're
1:25:26
Speaker 1: not that day. And I will say this if the
1:25:30
Speaker 1: if the wind is blowing and gayel forces to twelve
1:25:34
Speaker 1: fifteen miles an hour and it's flat lighting and just
1:25:37
Speaker 1: you just the the unit can't keep up, so don't
1:25:40
Speaker 1: expect it to be able to in a blind. It's
1:25:43
Speaker 1: it's near effectively if you use it correctly. But I
1:25:48
Speaker 1: swear by it, uh and I've got videos to prove it.
1:25:51
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable what you can get away with. A matter
1:25:53
Speaker 1: of fact, the guy that helps my life in the yard,
1:25:57
Speaker 1: UM gave him a unit to help him and getting
1:25:59
Speaker 1: you and he um he used it. He's already sent
1:26:03
Speaker 1: me two pictures of two bucks he killed down down
1:26:06
Speaker 1: wind from me food sources this year. So it's a
1:26:09
Speaker 1: truly but don't expect it to do everything. You know,
1:26:12
Speaker 1: when I hun cameraman. We've got two units and because
1:26:15
Speaker 1: you're trying to cover a wide spectrum of area. And
1:26:18
Speaker 1: the quick concept of it is is you want your
1:26:22
Speaker 1: scent line going through a curtain of ozone. If you're
1:26:27
Speaker 1: using the unit and you can smell the ozone, and
1:26:30
Speaker 1: ozone has a very clean hospital type smell, then you're
1:26:33
Speaker 1: using it wrong. And can I tell you how many
1:26:36
Speaker 1: deer of coming down? When those in Bucks and if
1:26:39
Speaker 1: I've seen him come in, they stand there, it's like
1:26:41
Speaker 1: they smell something, but they they slapped their their tongue
1:26:46
Speaker 1: on their nose like they're trying to grab a molecute
1:26:48
Speaker 1: or something and trying to figure it out. I don't
1:26:50
Speaker 1: know what that is. They going right about their business.
1:26:53
Speaker 1: It's not anything they're scared off. O Zone is natural.
1:26:56
Speaker 1: Ozone is created by lightning when it goes through the
1:26:59
Speaker 1: air and inks oxygen into OH three. Very unstable. That's
1:27:03
Speaker 1: why we'll attach itself to older molecus and why it's
1:27:06
Speaker 1: so affected. Yeah, yeah, I've I've experienced similar things to
1:27:10
Speaker 1: you when using an ozonics and it's it's definitely part
1:27:12
Speaker 1: of my repertoire now too. Um that said, what else
1:27:15
Speaker 1: is what else do you do from a sun control standpoint? Well,
1:27:20
Speaker 1: you know, if I like I love to make a
1:27:23
Speaker 1: fake scrape rub with a scent or anything. Um, I
1:27:29
Speaker 1: just I'm so freaky about sense any sense you add,
1:27:32
Speaker 1: I don't know where it's coming from and where it
1:27:34
Speaker 1: was bottled, and their CWD issues these days and whatever.
1:27:37
Speaker 1: So I actually am using veterinarian um artificial seminating gloves
1:27:44
Speaker 1: that go all the way up to my armpits, and
1:27:47
Speaker 1: then I put latex gloves on top of that, similar
1:27:49
Speaker 1: to the ways to use gutt and gloves, and I've
1:27:52
Speaker 1: framed my boots down with We we make what's called
1:27:55
Speaker 1: control Freak, which is a silver based older eliminator. It
1:27:59
Speaker 1: eliminates older and there's a great job. And you can
1:28:01
Speaker 1: prove it if you've got the kids and they play
1:28:03
Speaker 1: hockey and they've got stinking shoes, spray control Freaking there
1:28:06
Speaker 1: and you'll be amazed it doesn't and the odor will
1:28:08
Speaker 1: be gone. But it doesn't. It doesn't eliminate the odor
1:28:13
Speaker 1: of your body constantly produces. That's why ozonic is so
1:28:16
Speaker 1: affected your breath. Uh, your body is producing odors to
1:28:21
Speaker 1: ole times. So you can spray control freak on you.
1:28:24
Speaker 1: But that other mean it's gonna keep on eliminating the
1:28:28
Speaker 1: odor of your body's producing. So I spray my boots down,
1:28:31
Speaker 1: tall rubber boots. Spray them down real good where these
1:28:34
Speaker 1: long gloves and late to his gloves. And I'll say,
1:28:37
Speaker 1: I say, I'm in a small food plot. I've got
1:28:39
Speaker 1: a little small sap and growing out on the little island.
1:28:42
Speaker 1: I'll go out there and I'll take a salt and
1:28:44
Speaker 1: i will shave the edge of that tree to make
1:28:47
Speaker 1: it look like a rub and then I'll make a
1:28:49
Speaker 1: scrape and if a deer comes, he visually sees that
1:28:53
Speaker 1: he's gonna walk over to it. I mean, I can
1:28:55
Speaker 1: make one this afternoon, and if a deer comes to
1:28:58
Speaker 1: that food plot tonight, it's gonna have deer prints and
1:29:00
Speaker 1: pall marks in it. And then you didn't any sin
1:29:03
Speaker 1: in it. So I'm I'm doing that too interesting depending
1:29:09
Speaker 1: on the situation, and you know where the tree. Yeah,
1:29:13
Speaker 1: like I've used somewhat similar tactics like that to your planting,
1:29:17
Speaker 1: Like a fake scrape tree in the middle of a
1:29:19
Speaker 1: food plot is some way to to you know, control
1:29:22
Speaker 1: where the traffic is had to give you something. I
1:29:26
Speaker 1: think Mark Drewy I did a video one time to
1:29:29
Speaker 1: show doing that. It were it's a great idea I
1:29:31
Speaker 1: ever thought of that. Man, They're gonna come to it.
1:29:34
Speaker 1: They're going and they're going to make a looking branch
1:29:37
Speaker 1: and figure it out, you know, because they think that's
1:29:39
Speaker 1: what's going on. Yeah, yeah, I mean they're very much.
1:29:42
Speaker 1: You always hear the analogy that they kind of are
1:29:44
Speaker 1: like fish relating to structure. Dear relate to structure as well,
1:29:48
Speaker 1: No doubt about it, you, no doubt about it. So
1:29:51
Speaker 1: so well, I could probably talk to you for four
1:29:54
Speaker 1: hours about all this stuff, UM, but I know that
1:29:57
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of other things going on. I
1:29:59
Speaker 1: don't want to do it too so I wanted to
1:30:01
Speaker 1: kind of wrap things up with with this topic. UM.
1:30:04
Speaker 1: And that's the future of deer hunting. UM. I've heard
1:30:08
Speaker 1: you and I've seen you, UM kind of stand up
1:30:11
Speaker 1: and speak out about things over the last handful of
1:30:14
Speaker 1: the years. UM. At some of these North American deer
1:30:16
Speaker 1: summits and in relation to some of the different things
1:30:18
Speaker 1: happening these days in the hunting community. UM, I guess
1:30:22
Speaker 1: how do you feel about the future of deer hunting?
1:30:25
Speaker 1: What do you see coming up? And then, um, if
1:30:27
Speaker 1: you had a final message to leave with our audience
1:30:31
Speaker 1: about that, um, I would love to hear that. Well.
1:30:34
Speaker 1: You know, as far as bow hunters go, whitetail bow
1:30:38
Speaker 1: hunters going hunters to some extent, but we are loners.
1:30:45
Speaker 1: We like privacy, we like going into the woods being quiet.
1:30:49
Speaker 1: We're all birdwatchers. We're watching while and we see enjoy
1:30:53
Speaker 1: being there. We enjoy the fall colors and seeing seeing
1:30:57
Speaker 1: God's creation in the woods. And it goes against our nature.
1:31:03
Speaker 1: But I urge people to find somebody uh that wants
1:31:09
Speaker 1: to learn about archery, about the romance of the era.
1:31:13
Speaker 1: Teach them about Saxon Cope and heart Young, about issue,
1:31:17
Speaker 1: about Howard Hill, about Fred Bear, about the history of
1:31:22
Speaker 1: the boat and era, the the Indians and light that
1:31:27
Speaker 1: fire and it's I call it the romance of the arrow,
1:31:31
Speaker 1: of the flight of that arrow. It's just it's just romanic.
1:31:35
Speaker 1: And then spend time with them to learn proper form
1:31:38
Speaker 1: to help them get the right equipment. Don't cut them short,
1:31:41
Speaker 1: get them the best equipment that you can or that
1:31:44
Speaker 1: they can help buy her forward. You know, I've had
1:31:48
Speaker 1: seen kids that have gotten jobs cutting grass in the
1:31:50
Speaker 1: summer so as they could buy a certain side or
1:31:53
Speaker 1: and and just as wonderful to see them get so
1:31:56
Speaker 1: involved in it. Um. John Vack is a guy that
1:32:02
Speaker 1: is head over the pro staff for all of bush
1:32:04
Speaker 1: Nail and Federal and m Savage, and he helped promote
1:32:09
Speaker 1: those lines. And his son, he sent me a picture
1:32:11
Speaker 1: yesterday of his son had killed his first book by himself,
1:32:15
Speaker 1: sol with a boat. And there's it's just like passing
1:32:20
Speaker 1: the torch. And what John did and raising his son,
1:32:25
Speaker 1: he showed him and and taught him and exposed him
1:32:29
Speaker 1: to this world that we love and cherish. And if
1:32:33
Speaker 1: you love it and you cherish, then you want to
1:32:34
Speaker 1: protect it and you want to share it with people.
1:32:37
Speaker 1: And if we as hunters don't recruit younger new people,
1:32:42
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of kids out there that don't
1:32:43
Speaker 1: have hunting parents and don't have opportunity, and if we
1:32:46
Speaker 1: don't do it, then they're not gonna understand it. And
1:32:50
Speaker 1: if they don't understand it, they're not gonna love it,
1:32:52
Speaker 1: they're not gonna want to protect it. Um, So the
1:32:56
Speaker 1: future of Hunter Honey is really it's up to us. Uh.
1:33:01
Speaker 1: I was so proud of John Vakas even that picture
1:33:04
Speaker 1: of his son and had that big smile on his face,
1:33:08
Speaker 1: and um, I know what, I know it, I know
1:33:11
Speaker 1: what that's that's got to be like for John to
1:33:15
Speaker 1: suddenly pass the towards you know, and now his son
1:33:19
Speaker 1: is gonna be going by himself. There's huge safety issues.
1:33:22
Speaker 1: How do you use a harness, a safety harness, How
1:33:26
Speaker 1: to properly get in the tree with the safety harness
1:33:29
Speaker 1: attached so that you're not putting yourself into a position
1:33:32
Speaker 1: to possibly hurt yourself and those some of those accidents
1:33:35
Speaker 1: can be incredibly tragic, not only death, but paralyzed for life.
1:33:42
Speaker 1: And you know, and and end what you what what
1:33:45
Speaker 1: you wanted to find anyway, and that by going and
1:33:48
Speaker 1: doing that was the piece and quiet of the outdoors. Um.
1:33:54
Speaker 1: As far as the different states, they all have different
1:33:57
Speaker 1: ideas and and and different rules and regulation. Uh, Mississippi
1:34:01
Speaker 1: doesn't allow baiting, Arkansas does, Louisiana does, Kansas does for
1:34:06
Speaker 1: some and you know, people get upset about um people baiting.
1:34:13
Speaker 1: They get upset about people using crossbows. Look, I remember
1:34:18
Speaker 1: they drugged me into the compound world. They they drugged me.
1:34:22
Speaker 1: I said, there's no way that this thing with wheels
1:34:25
Speaker 1: on it will ever be as good and effective as
1:34:27
Speaker 1: my recurve. And boy was I wrong. But I love
1:34:31
Speaker 1: a compound. I shoot Matthews, and I just love what
1:34:35
Speaker 1: Matthew Ferson does and it's engineering on his bows. I
1:34:38
Speaker 1: love them. I also love the recurve, and I got
1:34:42
Speaker 1: my black wood of sitting right here on the table,
1:34:44
Speaker 1: and I love the flight of the era. Uh. But
1:34:49
Speaker 1: when they get the argument about people with crossbows. Man,
1:34:52
Speaker 1: if a guy will go out in the woods and
1:34:54
Speaker 1: be a hunter and be a part of it, I
1:34:56
Speaker 1: don't care if he uses a rock. You know, I
1:35:00
Speaker 1: want him to go. I want people to go and
1:35:03
Speaker 1: experience it and want to be there. I don't want
1:35:06
Speaker 1: to restrict him. I wanted to follow the laws of
1:35:09
Speaker 1: the state where the state thinks it's right. But um,
1:35:13
Speaker 1: I just want people to participate, and I want people
1:35:15
Speaker 1: to to be a part and understand what it is
1:35:19
Speaker 1: we love so much. A friend of mine he decided
1:35:21
Speaker 1: not to go both hunt Saturday and he went squirrel
1:35:24
Speaker 1: hunt and I was talking to him and sending them
1:35:27
Speaker 1: stand there looking at him, names John Stevens and uh,
1:35:31
Speaker 1: he says, man, he was peaceful and he's finding deer
1:35:35
Speaker 1: trails and he's scouting while he's hunting squirrels. He killed
1:35:39
Speaker 1: his limit of squirrels and and talk about how it
1:35:42
Speaker 1: was a co front he'd come through. Was it was,
1:35:44
Speaker 1: you know, right at thirty five degrees. It just had
1:35:47
Speaker 1: a blaste in the woods. And that's what it's all about.
1:35:50
Speaker 1: And that's what we need to share and teach to
1:35:53
Speaker 1: those that are around us, in front of us, behind us.
1:35:56
Speaker 1: We need to share it. We need to teach them.
1:35:59
Speaker 1: I think that is uh an incredibly important message. So
1:36:02
Speaker 1: appreciate you appreciate it. Wrapping things up with that, it
1:36:06
Speaker 1: was kind of perfect way to end this. So so well,
1:36:08
Speaker 1: if people want, well, start good, you go ahead. I
1:36:12
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, if people wanted to um see
1:36:15
Speaker 1: your show or follow up different things you're doing, or
1:36:19
Speaker 1: check out some of the products that you mentioned, where
1:36:21
Speaker 1: might they be able to find all these different things. Well,
1:36:24
Speaker 1: of course, you can go to Primos t r I
1:36:26
Speaker 1: MS dot com to the website. You can go to
1:36:29
Speaker 1: Primos's YouTube channel and you can see all kind of
1:36:32
Speaker 1: tips and see different hunts. You see l hunts and
1:36:36
Speaker 1: waterfowl hunts and pronator hunts and deer hunts of course,
1:36:40
Speaker 1: and uh you see all of that. Um. And then
1:36:44
Speaker 1: there there's there's podcasts available that the company does. So
1:36:49
Speaker 1: there's there's many many avenues to be able to get
1:36:52
Speaker 1: to us. Um. But the TV show is on the
1:36:56
Speaker 1: Outdoor channel, um. And it's got that leaks were areas
1:37:00
Speaker 1: a week and you just have to go outdoor chain
1:37:02
Speaker 1: and look at those areas to be sure you've got
1:37:03
Speaker 1: the right time slot for your your zone, whether it
1:37:06
Speaker 1: be central or mountain or eastern or whatever it is
1:37:10
Speaker 1: to be able to know exactly when the show is
1:37:11
Speaker 1: coming home. But we're having fun with the show. We're
1:37:15
Speaker 1: we've got a great place to hunt. We're taking advantage
1:37:18
Speaker 1: of it. That's awesome. Well, well, well, I can't thank
1:37:22
Speaker 1: you enough for taking the time to be here with us.
1:37:24
Speaker 1: We really really appreciate it. Yes, sir Mark, thank you.
1:37:27
Speaker 1: Good luck to air, Oh your listeners, good luck y'all.
1:37:29
Speaker 1: Be careful and please be careful clown in those trees. Yeah,
1:37:33
Speaker 1: and good luck to you too. I'll hope to see
1:37:35
Speaker 1: some pictures of some big Bucks soon and looking forward
1:37:38
Speaker 1: to watching the episodes of the show in the future too.
1:37:40
Speaker 1: Thank you all for thanks Mark and that is a rap.
1:37:45
Speaker 1: Episode number one eight one is in the books. But
1:37:49
Speaker 1: a couple of quick updates before we shut this down completely.
1:37:53
Speaker 1: You know, as me and Dan we're talking about at
1:37:54
Speaker 1: the beginning of the podcast, our hunts are ramping up.
1:37:58
Speaker 1: Things are getting exciting, so want to encourage you to
1:38:01
Speaker 1: foul along with us on social media. I'm posting a
1:38:05
Speaker 1: lot of updates there. Um the wire do on Facebook
1:38:08
Speaker 1: page is a great place to get things while you're
1:38:10
Speaker 1: to hunt. On Twitter, I'm sharing things there and then,
1:38:13
Speaker 1: and most of all, what I'm doing is sharing every day,
1:38:16
Speaker 1: I'm sharing Instagram stories, so over on Instagram you can
1:38:20
Speaker 1: share these little mini videos and photos and things like that.
1:38:23
Speaker 1: That's the story, um the Instagram story feature, and I'm
1:38:27
Speaker 1: kind of documenting each day of hunting on there pretty thoroughly,
1:38:30
Speaker 1: so make sure you're checking those out. UM My handle
1:38:34
Speaker 1: is at the at sign wired to hunt all one
1:38:36
Speaker 1: word that's on Instagram. Sign up for it, check it out.
1:38:40
Speaker 1: That way you can follow along with what's going on.
1:38:42
Speaker 1: And be the very first to hear about how things
1:38:44
Speaker 1: go for holy Field and everything else going on. And then,
1:38:47
Speaker 1: of course you can find Dan's information over there at
1:38:50
Speaker 1: the Nine Finger Chronicles if you want to foul along
1:38:52
Speaker 1: with his Iowa hunts or parenting debaccles. So um, I guess.
1:38:57
Speaker 1: Other than that, I just want to leave you with
1:38:59
Speaker 1: a quick thank you to our partners who helped make
1:39:02
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1:39:05
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Speaker 1: Tail Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge, and hunt Terra Maps,
1:39:13
Speaker 1: and then finally, thank you, thank you to all of
1:39:16
Speaker 1: you spending time with us here today for listening. I
1:39:19
Speaker 1: know it's a busy time of year, so carving out
1:39:21
Speaker 1: some time to listen to a podcast, I appreciate it.
1:39:24
Speaker 1: So good luck out in the woods. Hopefully you're gonna
1:39:26
Speaker 1: have some incredible hunts, some awesome memories, and until next time,
1:39:30
Speaker 1: have fun, be safe, good luck, and stay wired to hunt.