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NBA Finals Betting Update · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast part of the Volume
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  Speaker 1: podcast Network. I'm Chad Normand of the Action Network. Today
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Padre might be a f professional better Signmon Hunter.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Simon, Chad, how are we doing? Dude?
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  Speaker 1: You know I'm working on this book. And so I
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  Speaker 1: was in Costa Rica last week. Spent forty hours in
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  Speaker 1: Costa Rica. I was hanging out with a very high
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  Speaker 1: stakes professional better much like yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I couldnot get the game.
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  Speaker 1: One of the NBA Finals, and like I could see
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  Speaker 1: in the app, like it was.
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  Speaker 2: A blowout, blowout, blowout.
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  Speaker 1: So I just like went to bed and then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, literally I turned off the lights because
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  Speaker 1: it's two hours earlier in Costa Rica, turn off the lights.
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  Speaker 1: So it was nine o'clock and my phone started blowing
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  Speaker 1: up about Game one and what Halliburton did in the
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  Speaker 1: game against the Thunder. We're going to talk to Matt Moore,
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  Speaker 1: who came out with us before the finals. Obviously the
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  Speaker 1: host of Buckets did a great job breaking it down.
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  Speaker 1: We're now going to preview game three. That first game
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  Speaker 1: was everything I wanted it to be and I got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts on how it's going to play
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  Speaker 1: out the rest of the way.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it does pay to watch those games live and
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  Speaker 3: bet live. I literally did exactly what we're talking on
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  Speaker 3: the show. I bet the number on OKC. I think
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  Speaker 3: they were up seventeen or sixteen to one point through
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  Speaker 3: a very small hedge on the money line.
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  Speaker 4: And I did the same thing as you.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was dead because I think they were
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  Speaker 3: still down by more than ten head into the fourth,
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  Speaker 3: and or maybe it was even.
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  Speaker 4: It might have been like five minutes left in the fourth.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was fifteen, Like three minutes left, they
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  Speaker 2: were down fifteen.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever it was. I had the same thing as you.
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  Speaker 3: I literally turn it off and that to the classic
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  Speaker 3: You're not asleep, you're in bed and you're checking on
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  Speaker 3: your phone because you literally you just want to make
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  Speaker 3: see the money hit, and all of a sudden they
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  Speaker 3: start coming back and it.
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  Speaker 4: Was like just three after three.
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  Speaker 3: It is why I love the NBA right now, where
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  Speaker 3: it's like these these teams, if they get hot, hit
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  Speaker 3: these threes, they're all such good shooters, everyone on the team,
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  Speaker 3: you can't really give up on it, right, so immediately
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  Speaker 3: pop back up caught that final mint of the game,
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, I feel like what we talked about exactly
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  Speaker 3: what Matt happened, which was, you know, they needed to
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  Speaker 3: get very lucky, had the game be kind of tightened
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  Speaker 3: the fourth and make big shots. And now we're once
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  Speaker 3: again seeing history. We're like this, this team that no
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  Speaker 3: one believed in won that Game one with a ton
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  Speaker 3: of luck and a ton of skill. But it was
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  Speaker 3: the exact way they needed to, right. They were just
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  Speaker 3: outgunned in that game. So it was really fun. And
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  Speaker 3: then I think you and I both saw Game two
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  Speaker 3: and it was back to I think what everyone expected, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: season much better team.
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  Speaker 4: So it's it's a fun series going into it. I
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  Speaker 4: really I had no real hope.
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  Speaker 3: For you know, what the Pacers could do, but that
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  Speaker 3: Game one gave me a little bit of hope. And
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  Speaker 3: now it's like, all right, we have to watch game
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  Speaker 3: three and four now because two two, that's a real
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  Speaker 3: series if they can steal one of these games here.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm really loving what Dan Bay is doing with
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  Speaker 3: these small market teams.
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  Speaker 1: Chad Well, I disagree. I think there's no hope. I
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  Speaker 1: was explaining Matt Moore, welcome back. In, give us your game,
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  Speaker 1: one game to take before we get into where we
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  Speaker 1: think it's going.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, incredible job by the Pacers to hang in there,
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  Speaker 5: and you could kind of sense it. I love it
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  Speaker 5: when you can sense it in the building even through
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  Speaker 5: the television that you're like that. You can tell the
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  Speaker 5: thunder fans were like, why aren't we up? More like eh,
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  Speaker 5: and they scored it's eleven. Why aren't they up by twenty?
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  Speaker 5: The Pacers we had a really good discussion about this.
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  Speaker 5: He actually on buckets. If you create turnovers but you
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  Speaker 5: don't score on them, that mitigates a lot of the
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  Speaker 5: advantage that Okay to create because their half court offense
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  Speaker 5: is not stellar. It's good, it's just not like elite level,
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  Speaker 5: and so they need these points off of turnovers. And
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  Speaker 5: what the Pacers have done the first two games is
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  Speaker 5: they've been like, no, we're gonna turn the ball over,
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  Speaker 5: but you're not scoring on them. So we turn the
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  Speaker 5: ball over and don't score, you don't score on the
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  Speaker 5: on the subsequent possession, and it's just zero zero, little reset. Now,
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  Speaker 5: over the course of a series, it's probably not gonna
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  Speaker 5: go well. And that's something that Indie's gotta get better
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  Speaker 5: at Halburdon. I described you on the show as like
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  Speaker 5: the man carries his equipment in a wheelbarrow, just like
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  Speaker 5: has to carry that in an industrial grade not one
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  Speaker 5: of the ones that you get it like at not
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  Speaker 5: like a lerinkiek one you pick up at Walmart. You
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  Speaker 5: get industrial grade to carry around that man's equipment because
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  Speaker 5: it's insane what he's able to do in these clutch
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  Speaker 5: time situations. This is literally the best clutch run we've
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  Speaker 5: ever seen.
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  Speaker 4: Ever.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody's ever hit more clutch shots.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Uh? Can we just say, did you say sub sweet subsequent?
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  Speaker 5: Sub did it again? I did it again? Brandon Anderson
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  Speaker 5: called me out on this. He was like, that's how
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  Speaker 5: you say subsequent and I was like, oh, I said, quint,
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  Speaker 5: I always thought that it was. I'd always thought that
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  Speaker 5: was one of those words that you can pronounce either way.
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  Speaker 5: And then I was like, no, I'll look it up, Brandon.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not tomato tomorrow, potato subsequent, it's subsequent.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So my take on all this Game one to Game
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  Speaker 1: two is that we saw.
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  Speaker 2: The real.
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  Speaker 1: Future when Oklahoma City demolished the Pacers in Game two
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't let them come back, Like I tried
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  Speaker 1: to stay up.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to be there for the end.
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  Speaker 1: I looked at and thought, this is what it looks
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  Speaker 1: like without the miracle, and I think we got a miracle.
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  Speaker 2: Thunder and five.
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  Speaker 4: I hear you.
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  Speaker 5: This is the problem, Okase, he's zero to seven on
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  Speaker 5: the road ats in these playoffs, like they are not
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  Speaker 5: great on the road against the spread. Now, they could
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  Speaker 5: still win this game, right, so they can still get
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  Speaker 5: to the thunder and five. I'm hoping that you're right,
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  Speaker 5: because that's what I bet and originally was thunder mines
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  Speaker 5: two and a half. And we're down to just thunder
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  Speaker 5: and five to win that bet. The issue is that
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  Speaker 5: I find a lot of the things from game two
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  Speaker 5: second half, so like here's one they outscored him in
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  Speaker 5: the second half of that game. Oh but there's garbage
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  Speaker 5: time take out the last two minutes and it was
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  Speaker 5: fifty nine to fifty nine the second half of that game.
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  Speaker 5: Pacers had a one to thirty five offensive rating. That's
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  Speaker 5: not thunder formula. Here Thunder shooters lou Dort shooting nineteen
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  Speaker 5: percent on the road in the playoffs, Like this Thunder
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  Speaker 5: team is a true deform role players shoot better at home,
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  Speaker 5: shoot worse on the road. Squad, That building for Game
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  Speaker 5: three is gonna be ballistic. First Finals game in twenty
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  Speaker 5: five years basketball crazy state, even though they've had one
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  Speaker 5: of the worst attendance rates in the NBA over the
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  Speaker 5: last decade. That's gonna be absolutely a crazy environment. And
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  Speaker 5: it's a really big situation. I think it's probably close,
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  Speaker 5: But I do think that the Pacers are in a
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  Speaker 5: really good spot here, and especially with this being Thunder
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  Speaker 5: minus five and a half market, like, I have a
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  Speaker 5: hard time getting to a spot where I want to
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  Speaker 5: bet Okac even to cover less than two possessions, given
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  Speaker 5: their history of how they've been on the road, why
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  Speaker 5: they haven't been as good on the road ats, and
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  Speaker 5: how indieman. The spot for Indie here I think is
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  Speaker 5: really good.
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  Speaker 2: Well, right now, you mentioned the series prices. The prices are.
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  Speaker 1: The Thunder plus two ninety to win the series four
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  Speaker 1: to two, plus two ninety to win the series four
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  Speaker 1: to three. The Pacers numbers are obviously higher, We're talking
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  Speaker 1: much bigger numbers, but plus sixteen hundred to win the
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  Speaker 1: series four to one. It's interesting to me you talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Pacers as a home team in a basketball
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  Speaker 1: mad state.
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  Speaker 2: The Pacers have never mattered in Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they had Reggie Miller, kind of interesting when
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  Speaker 1: they were playing the Knicks. They made that finals, but
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  Speaker 1: they've never been a team anyone in Indiana talks about.
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  Speaker 1: And they've always had a magnificent stadium. That Fieldhouse is
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  Speaker 1: a great place to watch a game. This team feels
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  Speaker 1: like it has something a little bit different that is sustainable,
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  Speaker 1: that has energy, that it has a personality, that has
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  Speaker 1: a style of play that people can latch onto. It's
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  Speaker 1: not just a sort of, for lack of a better term,
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  Speaker 1: NFC South or AFC South team, Matt Moore, do you
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  Speaker 1: sense that amongst the NBA denizens right now?
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  Speaker 5: I was just about to say this is an AFC
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  Speaker 5: South ass take from you, Chad, the perennial South hater
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  Speaker 5: of professional sports. You know, I think I think those
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  Speaker 5: crowds in the in the mid nineties at the Attendants data,
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  Speaker 5: but I think they were really great. I think they
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  Speaker 5: believed him in the mid two thousands with the our
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  Speaker 5: test team with Ermaine O'Neil before the brawl right of
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  Speaker 5: the Malice. I think that Indiana, because they've got it
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  Speaker 5: one of the problems is when you've got a history
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  Speaker 5: of winning in a certain sport, like Indiana's basketball program has,
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  Speaker 5: then you've got a different standard for success. And Denver's
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  Speaker 5: like this, I think with football, where because the college
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  Speaker 5: sports have never really been relevant on any sort of
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  Speaker 5: significant scale because they haven't won at a significant level.
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  Speaker 5: It's it really is compared to the Broncos. Like Broncos
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  Speaker 5: have all these championships, and you win, and will pay
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  Speaker 5: attention to you. That's how you know Pro basketball was too.
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  Speaker 5: It was We're not gonna pay attention to the Nuggets
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  Speaker 5: until they win. Then they won, and now the crowds
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  Speaker 5: are really good. And that's true for most places, but
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  Speaker 5: these true small markets. I think you're right that there's
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  Speaker 5: a difference between like Okac Okac, when they have bad teams,
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  Speaker 5: their crowds still gonna be great. Portland, when they have
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  Speaker 5: bad teams, crowds still great. Indiana, though, I think does
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  Speaker 5: sense that there's something different about this team. This is
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  Speaker 5: maybe the most fun run that we've seen an NBA
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  Speaker 5: playoff hit. I have a hard time thinking back to
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  Speaker 5: a team that was more fun than this one when
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  Speaker 5: you count the way that they play, the comebacks, and
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  Speaker 5: all the ways that they've been able to do this,
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  Speaker 5: I think it does add up to something where and
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't seem like the windows closing. It's not a
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  Speaker 5: one year deal, because you would have thought that last
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  Speaker 5: year they made the conference finals, Okay, they'll come back
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  Speaker 5: to earth a little bit, and instead they got better
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  Speaker 5: and made the finals this year. And even if it
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  Speaker 5: did take a certain series of events, it still shows
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  Speaker 5: that they're good enough to deliver when these games get tight,
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  Speaker 5: and that they're made for this, and I think that's
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  Speaker 5: really important in the enthusiasm I think that is building
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  Speaker 5: around this Pacer squad.
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  Speaker 2: So what are we doing now? Are we for one?
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  Speaker 2: Are we four to two? What is your take on
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  Speaker 2: how this plays out?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I bet Pacers or I bet Thunder four to two
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  Speaker 5: yesterday plus two ninety I still make the Thunder likely
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  Speaker 5: to win this series. Game series script to me feels okay,
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  Speaker 5: they stole the one that instantly takes the ability for
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  Speaker 5: the four to one. It's gonna be really difficult. I
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  Speaker 5: just do not have a lot of faith in Okase,
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  Speaker 5: given how I've seen them up close and personal on
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  Speaker 5: the road in these playoffs, to take both of them
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  Speaker 5: one of them will be close enough to where it's
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  Speaker 5: at least a coin flip. I do not think that
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  Speaker 5: Indies getting both at home. I do not think the
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  Speaker 5: Thunder are getting both at home. I'm gonna play Pacers
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  Speaker 5: money line game one. If it loses, I'll be back
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  Speaker 5: on him in game two. I think whoever loses Game
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  Speaker 5: two is gonna be a great spot to play, or
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  Speaker 5: whoever loses Game three is a great spot to play
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  Speaker 5: in game four. Thunder are gonna win Game five by
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  Speaker 5: by margin. I'll be on alts all over the place
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  Speaker 5: for Thunder Game five, regardless of series script, unless there's
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  Speaker 5: an injury or a black Swan event. If Thunder win
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  Speaker 5: Game three, I'm still on thundering Game five by probably
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  Speaker 5: twenty or more. If they win game four, I'm on
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  Speaker 5: them in Thunder Game five and by twenty or more.
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  Speaker 5: PACER's Game six is gonna be a tough one. This
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  Speaker 5: isnt the same as I think the Denver spot. I
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  Speaker 5: think that the OKC might be in a better position
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  Speaker 5: to finish it on the road in game six, and
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  Speaker 5: they wear versus Denver in that series, you're gonna see.
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot of adjustments. One of things I'm
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  Speaker 5: really curious about is how my many adjustments does Carlisle
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  Speaker 5: throw at them in this game? In game three, because
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  Speaker 5: he's kept the zone very close to the vest, they
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  Speaker 5: made some offensive adjustments, but they haven't done a lot
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  Speaker 5: they Carlisle's script in game two was, Hey, let's try
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  Speaker 5: and win, but we're not gonna show them the cards here.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not playing him until I have to. We got
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  Speaker 5: the one I needed to be able to stretch this out.
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  Speaker 5: So the question is, like, do you rely on momentum,
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  Speaker 5: home crowd better shooting in game three or do you
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  Speaker 5: feel like you need to pull out the tricks, the
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  Speaker 5: bells and whistles to get game three because you use
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  Speaker 5: them in game three. Now they're on the table for
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  Speaker 5: OKC to adjust to in game four. Your ideal would
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  Speaker 5: be use momentum, energy, effort, home crowd shooting, get game three,
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  Speaker 5: then throw the kitchen sink at him in game four.
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  Speaker 5: That's like the script for Indie. But I still don't
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  Speaker 5: think that's gonna be good enough for them to get both.
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  Speaker 5: I still think the thunder and six is our most
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  Speaker 5: likely outcome here after they stole game one.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we miss an opportunity here, like this is what
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  Speaker 3: we live for. This team we just talked about, they've
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  Speaker 3: done something in this pace of team that's never been
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  Speaker 3: done before. Like they are incredibly clutch. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: if this was another sport, mean you would have a
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  Speaker 3: better view on it. With basketball, we're just so used
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  Speaker 3: to the favorites always coming through, right, the better teams
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  Speaker 3: with the better player usually win.
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  Speaker 4: But this is the rare opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: She feels like, Chad, this isn't Golden State or those
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  Speaker 3: lebron teams. This is a very young team, first time
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  Speaker 3: doing it. You know, they don't have a joker on
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  Speaker 3: this team.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 3: You know we can say they have the MVP of
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  Speaker 3: the league. Yes we know that, but it's it just
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  Speaker 3: feels different. Where like the Pacers, I was looking for
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  Speaker 3: a reason I take them, and that game one was
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  Speaker 3: so exactly what I was looking forward. It's like they
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  Speaker 3: know they're not better, they know they don't have the
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  Speaker 3: guys that this OKAC team does, but they have this
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  Speaker 3: unique ability to believe that.
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  Speaker 4: The j R.
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  Speaker 3: Smith they think they're all the best shooters in the world,
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  Speaker 3: and they really believe it whether they are they aren't,
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  Speaker 3: And I love it. We like that confidence in that
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  Speaker 3: final two to three minutes, like like Matt said, you
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  Speaker 3: could feel through the TV right the thunder got so
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  Speaker 3: tight and they didn't have a Kobe, a Steph Curry
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  Speaker 3: someone to bail them out take a shot to get
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  Speaker 3: two points. And that's what like we're talking here, is
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  Speaker 3: that if they steal another one here, if they do
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  Speaker 3: steal game three, that pressure on okay See in game four,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I.
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  Speaker 4: Can't even imagine it.
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  Speaker 3: I can't imagine them sitting there with that type of
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  Speaker 3: pressure where you know they're down now two to one
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  Speaker 3: on the road in an environment that Matt just.
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  Speaker 4: Told us they've struggled on the road, Chad. So, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I feels like we're overlooking it. Are we just are
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  Speaker 3: we missing it here? Should we be taking the Pacers?
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  Speaker 3: Is this are we overlooking? Or is what we just
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  Speaker 3: talked about like game two? Is that what this series
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  Speaker 3: is like? Is okay See really that much better? Pacers
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  Speaker 3: simply got lucky in game one.
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  Speaker 4: It was a bit of a fluke.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm I don't know what they do in this
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  Speaker 3: game one a Game three here, I'm tempted to just
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  Speaker 3: bet Pacers money line. It feels like a nice spot
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  Speaker 3: for them to bounce back. And I feel like another
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  Speaker 3: thing Matt talked about that second half in that Game two,
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  Speaker 3: that's the Pacer team I expect to see, which is
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  Speaker 3: a very, very smart with the ball, high flying offense
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  Speaker 3: that scores buckets.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know, it feels interesting. We're already leaving
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  Speaker 4: them for dead here where It's like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: this feels like a seven to sixth type of series.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna take that four to two bet with okay,
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  Speaker 3: see with you, Matt, But I'm also gonna throw a
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  Speaker 3: four to three bet on the Pacers at you know,
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  Speaker 3: last time I checked it was crazy, guys. It might
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  Speaker 3: have been ten to one, so it might have come down,
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  Speaker 3: but still, I mean, we're talking ten to one here
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: on Pacers.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm with you, guys.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to play the series price and it does
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: feel like a four to two okay, see, but I
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: see there's a window.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: I think Matt Moore sees what I'm seeing here.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: There's a window for a four to three Pacers Game
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: seven win. It just we're so due. When's the last
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: when's the last one we had? Matt Moore was it
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Mavericks over the heat.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: Was that the last big upset we had.
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: Cavs twenty sixteen had to be was the was the
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: big one Warriors was technically one in twenty twenty two.
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: You guys were dead on in that series. I came
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: on after talking to Brandon Anderson was like, it's Celtics,
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: They're way better, They're gonna win this series. And you
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: both were like, it's Steph Curry and the Warriors, Man,
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: what are you doing? And you were absolutely right on
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: that one.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: But that was the same thing.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: The first time Celtics have really gotten there and the
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: lights were very bright. That's just my biggest pause, Like
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: there's just something about the Pacers team. They seem like,
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: even though they're not that much more of a veteran team,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: they just feel like they have a different type of
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: confidence when it's tight at the end of these games
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: than this Thunder team does. So I'm just I'm trying
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: to find some a little opening chat. This is what
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: professional betters do. We see cracks, We feel like history
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: repeats itself, and I don't know the way this series
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: has already gone started. It's like, okay, see has opened
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: the door for the Spacer's team. If it was two oh,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I'd have a totally different tuneyear. They would have a
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: ton of confidence heading into this game against the Spacers team.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: But the fact that it's one to one, I don't know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: it feels like we're overlooking the Spacers team, where it's
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: like these are the exact type of dogs we love
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: to bet chat. So I'm just it's interesting to see
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: how much you're just fuck these guys. Okay, seem on
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: it that's the team I want to back. So I'm
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: just I'm shocked by your position.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: I guess.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm a little bit swayed by looking at
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: this as and look, I was looking at this the
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: same way when the Celtics played the next and I
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: was dead wrong, which was if not for the Celtics
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: missing two or three three pointers in games won in
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: games in Game one, in Game two, then they're up
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: three to zero in that series, and we're not talking
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: about the Knicks as cardiac kids and finding ways to
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: come back from twenty points down in multiple games, because
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the Celtics were clearly the better team. So the Thunder
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: are clearly the better team. They've got more talent, they've
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: got more aggressive, longer players on defense.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I love the Pacers.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: We've been saying all postseason the Pacers floor is so
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: high because the basketball IQ for that team is so
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: so high. Nemhardnee Smith. Even Obi Topping when he comes in,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: like is playing above and beyond. I think what anyone
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: thought he'd be playing at McConnell. You know, obviously Halliburton,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: like they're all great, but okay, see has players that
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: are equally great and IQ perspective, and then better from
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: a talent perspective, everyone they're bringing off the bench is
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: better than who the Pacers are bringing off the bench.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: And so I'm just thinking, Okay, the Thunder had one
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: collapse in a game in which they're not used to
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: playing in a high pressure situation like that in Game
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: one of the Finals, and that's all the Pacers do,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: so it played to their strength.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Memoir, would you call that a collapse or they did?
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: They simply get outplayed by the Pacers end of that game.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Because they had shots. It didn't feel like a collapse
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: where it's like, yeah, you know, they just hit shots
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: and then they got they just got tight, like okay,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: so you just could not hit a shot even their
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: free throws.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: This guy wasn't that like the knixt Game one was
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: a collapse, right, Yes, this felt more like the Pacers
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: kept it just within range and then they did absolutely
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: tighten up like Jalen Williams wide open three pointer off
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: of Shay's split in the double miss. Shae's got that
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: pull up now, Shaye, I think just missed a shot.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Like I think Shake and Shade probably hit that shot,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: you know, eight out of ten times on that mid
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: range pull pull up like his he that that pull
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: up from him is money. But I do think that
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: this is one of the things I talked about. This
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: is the okay See advantage in this series. Is White
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: chat talked about they're better, but they're better because they're
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: so dominant in the margins and what Indy's done in
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: this series, and it actually the same thing is true
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: for Game one. In Game two, okay S's not killing
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: him in the margins. Okay S killed him in Game two.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: In shot variants, Pacers shot fourteen to forty from three.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: They're still getting up forty three pointers against Oka See.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: And in Game two with the with the whole season
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: on the line for oka See, Indiana missed miss shots,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: good contests, good defense, but missed a ton of threes,
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: miss good opportunities. And okay see, on the other hand,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: got twenty points from Alex Caruso, Like that's a very
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: tough thing for them to do, especially on the road.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: This is where it gets interesting because I agree with Chad,
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: like they are better and it's about the margin and
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: whether Indy can shrink that margin from the power rating
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: standpoint to where it's within range. Because once it gets
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: within range, now this is about can you make shots?
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: And that's Indy. Like, Indy's the better shooting team. They've
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: been the better shooting team in the regular season, in
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: the playoffs, in half court and in the series. Like,
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: they are a better shooting team, but they're gotta get
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: it within range for them to be able to do that.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: And the question is gonna be can Carlisle and the
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Holmes environment open it up, because I will say it's
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: it's hard to blow out Okay see, if you win,
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: you win close. But OKAC has not been able to
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: blow teams out on the road, which is where they're comfortable.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: That's where they're comfortable they can win these close games.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: They won Game four in ever close environment really proves
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: something they have learned from this. This isn't like a
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: team where it's like, yeah, I don't know, man, if
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: it gets tight, I think they're gonna Like the Celtics,
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: I think were much more like that the last couple
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: of years. They won the title last year because nobody
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: could threaten them. Okay, see, it's like they got a chance.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: But once it gets in the variance mode because of
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: the number, there's a lot of value on Indiana, it's
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: just like, can they hang on to be in that
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: position for the shop variants to come through for them?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: You mentioned uh Carlisle earlier in the show. He's like, Yeah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: we knew we weren't going to win that game, And
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like that happens more often in the NBA
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: than any other sport. Yep, they know going in like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: they're gonna compete, But do you think there is actually
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: something the players pull back, the coaches change strategy, Like
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: what does that mean they know they're not going to
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: win the game, and why wouldn't they try to win
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: So every series, he's got a rhythm and flow to it. Rix'
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: been in so many of these to understand it and
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: Now what's been amazing is a lot of the ways
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: to kind of see how much are they adjusting? And
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: what you do is you look at things like have
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: they changed their matchups, have they changed their rotation? Did
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: they tighten the rotation? Is one guy completely out? Do
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: they shift this around? How much have they shifted their
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: game plan going in from the previous game into this one.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: And what's been fascinating is, like Zachlo said this on
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Simmons podcast, and I completely agree with it. Like if
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: you talk to Indy folks, it's the same thing. They
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: like they game plan for the series to go long,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: to have that kind of rhythm and flow, and great
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: coaches know you never want to be the first one
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: to adjust, and you want to hang onto those adjustments
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: as long as possible, because once you play that card,
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: that's it. You can't replay it because now they've seen it,
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: they've scripted it, they've got the counters built in for it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: You have to save them. And so I think the
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: thing in game two is they've stolen a lot of these.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: They stole Game two versus the Nixon Cleveland without making
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: major adjustments, and that got them to be able to
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: win those series short versus having to go seven, even
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: when they have home court advantage, Like that's the real
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: difference here, Like even when they went six versus the Knicks,
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: it's mostly it's because Nick's had that Game five at home.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: So with Carlisle, I think you go in and you say, look,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: we're gonna compete. We're gonna like, these are the things
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: we want to clean up, but we're not gonna make
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: these changes that are gonna inherently screw with them because
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: you need the possessions where they're trying to figure them
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: out and adjust for it to be late enough in
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: the game or in the series for it to matter
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: in turning that result your way, because once you play it,
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: that's it. Most adjustments are gone by six and seven,
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: Like you're out of adjustments. It's just who makes shots.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: And so with Carlisle, he's gonna hold back on some
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: of that to be able to make sure he plays
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: at the right time. I don't know if that comes
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: in game three or game four, you can look at
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: it and say, hey, we can't lose Game three. Then
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: they've retaken home court. They're gonna you know, and we're
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: now forced into having to win multiple games on the
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: road instead, do you save it for game three or
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Game four? That to me is a question.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: See that, that's Simon why I'm hesitant to go all
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: in on. Okay, See, as good as their coach is,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Mark Degnel is a really good coach.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Carlisle. I mean, he's such a wily veteran.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: He's obviously won a title, He's now taken another team
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: to the finals. He's a brilliant not just basketball coach,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: he's a brilliant NBA tactician. And so if Carlisle sees
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: something that makes him think, all right, this is going
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to be a long series, and I'm willing to sacrifice
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: tactical decisions in game two because I'm going to need
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: them in say, game four, game five, that makes me
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit more inclined to at least think about
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a serious price that is six or seven games.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I'm telling these little things you love about the Pacers,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: And that's why I was shocking you king On here.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I was like, this feels like the exact type of
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: team that Chad would be suckered into betting, the type
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: of dog where.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: It's like I don't want to be a sucker.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I am I'm I'm gonna be one of those
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: people I bet them four to three. It's like it
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: would be hilarious if the Pacers do win four to
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: two now and I lose both bets. But everything about it,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I just was just like, oh my god. The Patriots team,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: even in that blow loss. That's what gave me confidence
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: that game too. It's just like, there's no quit in
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: that team. There was no woe was me. It was
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: a still belief of we can get back from this game.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, okay's gonna fiel that up their
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: ass the entire series where even when anytime they have
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: any type of lead, they're gonna know there's no quit
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: in that other team. And you know, even like look
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: at our notes right here, the fact that the sports
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: books already have SGA and minus five to fifty for
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: finals MVP man More, is that not the most disrespectful
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: thing you've ever seen? If I was a Pacers that
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: would be on my bulletin board. It's one to one.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: What are those odds by the sportsbooks right now? Has
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: he really been that dominant in this series? And that
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: do that much respect from the books minus five fifty
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Finals MVP.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's also reflective of like there's a
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: minus five hundre it as well in the market, just
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: reflective of basically it's the series price because nobody else
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: is gonna be able to catch him. I've very I
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: always want to bet Jalen Williams in these spots because
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: of a skill set, but Shay's been able to to
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: kind of get there and he's gonna win if they
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: win the series. Shay's gonna win it because nobody else
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: is really going to have a case for it. If
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Shae doesn't play well, they're not going to win. Like
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: there's just not They will not have enough offense if
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: Shaye Gillish Alexander does not play well, even if they
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: win a bunch of defensive or they're in a bunch
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: of defensive games. Yea, yeah, you know, Caruso is like
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: an interesting one after having playing game too, right, Like
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: that's a very good Like that's a fun long shot,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: But you have to think about, like what are the
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: chances of them being able to win that many games
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: against this Pacers offense? Because the idea is like, well,
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: okayse he's better suited for a defensive slug fest because
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: they're the better defensive team. If it's a defensive slug
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: fest again, you're into one or two shots can win
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: you the game. Do you want Okac shooters or do
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: you want Indiana's Because I want Indiana's. And that's where
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: I think it gets interesting. I think Pascal Siakama is
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: the one that's actually like the really badly priced in
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: the market because when Siakam has twenty or more points,
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: the Pacers are seven and one straight up in ats
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: in the playoffs when he has when he has good games,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: they win. So like, I'm a spoiler gonna be on
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Siakam props for buckets in Game three, which I'm doing
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: after the show. So that's a look there.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Well, look, when he has twenty or more points, it
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: also means Halliburton is getting the ball out of his
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: hands quickly and getting them into their offense quickly and
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: finding the mismatch so Hallimburton can post, so Siakam can
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: post someone up and hit that mid range jumper that
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: he's so good at hitting. One of my favorite things
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: in NBA Finals every year is when a guy starts
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to shine and gets his flowers a little bit and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: for me that that player has been Aaron NEI Smith,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Like his defense against Brunson, the way he is so
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: thoughtful in moving his body and getting into position, and
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: his ability to shoot the ball, Like he has become
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a brilliant player. Like being in New England, remembering the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Celtics drafting him and him riding the pine uh and
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: then he disappeared to Indian. I'm like, oh, that's such
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: a bummer. Like I liked his story and I was
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: rooting for the kid. He's turned into a straight man
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: playing for the Pacers. I love this guy, love him,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: talk about his development.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: He's phenomenal. I talked to him at Summer League after
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: his rookie season, and you can just tell like he
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: had the right mindset of what it was he was
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: going to work on and how much he was going
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: to focus. And he's had He had like two great
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: runs at Summer League to the point where I was like,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: do you guys realize, like how good Aaron the Smith
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: is going to be? And then like the Celtics just
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: didn't play him for a team that played a lot
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: of guys. And he gets this opportunity in Indiana and
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: he is the prototypical wing that you want. You want
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: guys with size, physicality, length to be able to contest,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: who can get over screens and can knock down the three.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: And he's's been phenomenal for them, Like he's been a
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: great rebounder for them, he's been great steals. He's their
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: best on ball defender coming over those screens. He's the
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: reason why they were able to beat the next he
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: is the reason that they beat the New York Next.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: He's number one A on my list for why they
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: got past them. His playing that series was absolutely tremendous,
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: and it's like a good reminder of some guys don't
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: pop immediately. Some guys don't walk into training camp and
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: you're like, Oh, that guy's gonna be awesome every single game,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: even if he's not a superstar, Like, that guy's gonna
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: be great. Some guys that takes some time. But if
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: you're if you have the skill set and you can
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: build on it and you're patient, And this Pacers team
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: is such a great example of see a vision with guys,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: of seeing what they could be rather than what they
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: can't be, And that to me has been like the
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: lesson of their team build and getting to the finals.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: All right, then I'm starting to feel more comfortable about
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: at least betting OKC and six or the Pacers in seven.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Like the way you've described.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: The Pacers and their intangibles, how could I not want
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to root for this team, And.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Like, look, I'll tell you I feel better about OKAC
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: and six than seven. If this gets to seven, that
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: is they're gonna They've kept saying like, well we've been
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: at we faced adversity. We were down two one on
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: the road versus Denver, and I'm like, yeah, well Denver
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: wasn't good. Like I've covered that team, they were not good.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: And to Simon's point, if this gets to seven, I
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: am terrified for OKAC because like house money through the
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: roof for the Indiana Pacers, you made Game seven versus
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: the sixty eight win Thunder. They went on the road
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: last year and won a Game seven in Madison Square Garden.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Nobody thought they could win.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: This team is like the.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: Perfect squad to steal a Game seven on the road.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: So I feel way better about OKAC and six than
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: I do about OKAC and seven. If it gets to
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: that point.
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  Speaker 2: Then that's what we're doing, Simon.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to six and the seven.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing six and seven. I like Pacers and seven,
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