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Trevor Deely Pt. Two · The Path Went Chilly

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Welcome back to The Path Went Chile for part two of our series about the
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disappearance of Trevor Deely. Robin, do you want to catch everyone up and
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what we talked about in our previous episode. Well, I believe this is
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the first case we've ever covered on The Path Went Chile which took place in
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Ireland, and it's probably the most famous missing person's case in the history of
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that country. Trevor Deely was twenty two years old and he worked as an
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IT specialist at the Bank of Ireland to Asset Management headquarters in Dublin, and
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on the evening of December the seventh, two thousand, he went out to
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a Christmas party with his coworkers, which involved doing a lot of drinking and
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hopping back and forth between different places. But because there was a taxi strike
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going on in Dublin at that time and it was pouring rain, after the
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party ended, Trevor decided to walk to the Bank of Ireland Asset Management headquarters
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in order to pick up an umbrella for his walk back to his apartment,
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and even though it was three point thirty in the morning, one of his
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coworkers led him inside. He took the umbrella and then started walking back home,
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but he never made it to his apartment and it would be an entire
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weekend before anyone even noticed that he was missing. And the two clues they
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had is when they looked at CCTV footage of Trevor's last known movements. At
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three point thirty when he first arrived at his workplace, there was a man
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standing outside the gates who was known as the Man in Black, who briefly
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chatted with Trevor before he went inside before he walked out of the frame,
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and the last known footage of Trevor was at four to fourteen am where he
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was passing buy a camera at an ATM, But after that he just seemed
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to vanish without a trace and probably never made it back to his apartment.
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For years, the biggest lead was a man that was known as the second
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Man in Black, who was seen passing by the ATM camera about thirty seconds
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after Trevor did so. They wondered if he might have been involved in his
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disappearance, But only a few weeks before we recorded this, they finally tracked
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this Man in Black down, interviewed him and rule him out as having any
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involvement in Trevor's disappearance twenty seventeen, an informant came forward who said that Trevor
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had cross passed with some criminal figures on his walk home, who proceeded to
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take him back to their apartment to shoot him and then bury his body in
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a local park. But they performed a search of it and never found his
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remains or any other evidence to support his story. So we're right back to
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square one. Trevor has been missing for twenty three years and seemed like he
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literally just vanished into thin air, and no one still has any idea what
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actually happened to him. So before we do any further analysis of Trevor's disappearance,
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I wanted to take a few moments to discuss the vacation that Trevor took
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during November of two thousand, which involved traveling to Alaska for several weeks.
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One of his primary reasons for selecting this destination was to visit a girl who
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lived in Anchorage, as the two of them had previously met during a trip
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she took to Ireland. In one particularly heartbreaking interview, Trevor's father, Michael
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Dealey, described how when he last saw his son Trevor was so excited to
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tell him all about his trip to Alaska, but since Michael was in a
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rush at that time and had to leave, he told his son to tell
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him all about the trip at Christmas. Of course, Trevor went missing before
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Christmas, so Michael has always been regretful for blowing him off like that,
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and he always breaks down whenever he shares this story. The details about Trevor's
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relationship with this girl from Anchorage are vague, but the story goes that she
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had told him she was going to be very busy during his trip and tried
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to dissuade him from visiting her wherever. Trevor still traveled to Anchorage anyway,
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and she apparently gave him a rather chilli reception when he showed up. Since
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Trevor happened to go missing only two days after he returned home, there has
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been speculation that the Alaska trip might somehow be connected to his disappearance. What
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I've find really interesting is that Trevor appears incredibly excited and happy to tell his
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dad how the trip went. So even if the girl had been hesitant and
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she gave him a pretty chilly reception, was it a chili reception the entire
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time. Could he have possibly met other people who made the trip worthwhile?
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I mean, if he was happy, it sounds like he didn't go there
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and have someone mistreat him. Yeah, That's what I think as well,
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is that even though Trevor's time with the girl did not go as well as
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he hoped, the reaction story told by his father made it sound that Trevor
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enjoyed the majority of the trip of Alaska. So I don't think being kind
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of turned down by this girl would have made him depressed enough in order to
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like take his own life or maybe run away voluntarily. So this might have
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no connection to his disappearance. And it sounds unlikely that anybody is going to
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cross oceans in order to come after Trevor with regards to maybe like pursuing their
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quote unquote woman or whatever. It just seems like if something bad was going
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to happen to him in relation to the potential relationship or entanglement with the woman,
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that it would have happened while he was in Alaska. I know.
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The GUARDI explored the possibility that Trevor might have disappeared voluntarily because he wanted to
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go back to the US or something. They even traveled to Alaska to interview
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the girl that Trevor saw, but it doesn't sound like she had any relevant
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information. Investigators were able to confirm that Trevor never traveled to the US or
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any other country, as his passport was found inside his apartment and his bank
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account had not been touched since the night that he went missing. The main
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reason we bring up the Alaska trip is because it's been theorized that Trevor may
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have become depressed over the fact that his encounter with this girl hadn't gone as
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well as he had hoped, and he decided to take his own life upon
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returning home. Sure, his body was never found, but what if he
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jumped into the Grand Canal and his body was just missed during the searches.
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While it sounds like the suicide theory has pretty much been dismissed, the last
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time Trevor saw his father, he told him how marvelous a trip to Alaska
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had been and showed no visible signs of being depressed. Yes, it's true
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that suicidal people sometimes disguise their pain so that everyone is taken by complete surprise
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when they take their own life, but if Trevor was planning to complete suicide,
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it seems awfully strange that he would take an extra trip back to his
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workplace in order to grab an umbrella. I don't think a person who was
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planning to jump into a body of water and around themselves would be all that
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concerned about getting wet from the rain, and minutes before he disappeared, Trevor
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had also left a quick voicemail for his friend, letting him know that they
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should get together that weekend. There really were no warning signs that Trevor was
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feeling suicidal, and his family have openly stated that they believe the whole Alaska
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trip was nothing more than a red herring. I don't think you would have
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seen him making plans with a friend, immediate plans with a friend. It's
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not like, yeah, one day, we should catch up buddy. You
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know, he's actually initiating a call saying we should hang out. And so
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I don't see there being a real indication of knowing you're going to exit this
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world and then making immediate plans with a friend. I also think if he
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was going to jump into this river, that he would have left behind evidence.
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There'd be the umbrella washing up on some shore, there'd be his clothing.
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Even if his body had disintegrated, there'd be other things that had happened
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where you would say there's some remnants of him. I mean there were large
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That umbrella had to be a large umbrella. I just feel like something would
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have been found. But don't you feel like with regards to say clothing,
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washing up, or shoes or something related to him. Just as we talked
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about the cell phone earlier, you have to have the right person happen upon
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items like that for them to go and alert the authorities. You could have
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somebody who just goes, oh, there's a pair of pants, I'm going
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to take those, or they might pay it no mind, or they may
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just throw it in the garbage and think that it's trash. Because there's areas
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around where I live in it's a really nice area, but there's an area
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near Science World here and I used to take my dog down there and there
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would often be clothing items down there, and I certainly wasn't calling the authorities.
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I knew that it was sometimes a place where homeless people would go,
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or people would go and they would do drugs. So you just had to
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be very careful about the areas that we were going, but there was often
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things like that left about. So it just takes the right p person finding
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those types of items and seeing the significance behind them in order for them to
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actually find the evidence and give it the attention that it deserves. And we
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also mentioned in our last episode that President Bill Clinton was planning to make a
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trip to Dublin shortly after Trevor went missing, and they did a big security
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sweep of the area. And I'm thinking that if say an American Secret Service
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agent found a cell phone or an umbrella or a piece of clothing, they
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would probably just kind of ignore it and discard it. They would be like,
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we're not here to investigate a missing person's case. We're here to make
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things secure for the president. So it does make me wonder perhaps if they
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did find some evidence but just didn't see the significance of it. I think
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if they found a cell phone, they might keep that or see that maybe
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there could be some significance, don't you think. Oh yeah, probably with
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the cell phone they would just at least find it was belonged to, But
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something like an umbrella or clothing they might just ignore. So now let's explore
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the possibility that Trevor's death was an accident and that he might have fallen into
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the Grand Canna, the River Dodd, or some other body of water on
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his route home and his body has just never been recovered. He was a
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bit drunk at the time, though not so intoxicated that he was incapable of
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walking home. One theory is that since Trevor was carrying a large umbrella,
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a strong gust of wind could have propelled him off the bridge into the water
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well. The GUARDI seemed pretty convinced that Trevor did not drown, though that
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doesn't necessarily mean they couldn't have missed his body. But another issue is that
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Trevor's umbrella was never recovered either. Since it was pretty large, you'd think
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it would have turned up eventually, though I guess a possible explanation, which
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I just mentioned, is that an umbrella could have been found during the security
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sweep that was done over the weekend to prepare for President Clinton's upcoming visit to
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Dublin. Since Trevor had not been reported missing yet, they may not have
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realized the umbrella significance and discarded it. That's true, I mean the way
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Jules described it too. I mean it almost seems like a nuisance and trash
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litter at that point, when you have things that have just been discarded.
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There were rainstorms, and you know you'd think, Wow, some somebody either
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forgot or left their umbrella. I'm throwing that away to create a clean street
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when the president arrives. So you do have to have the right mindset,
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Jules, you're a true crime podcaster. You should be questioning every piece of
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clothing you come across. I know, it's just unfortunate that there's a strange
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kind of intersection between individuals with substance use disorders and then this really nice area
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where people like to take their dogs, and so people discard lots of strange
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things there. And initially I used to think it was weird, but now
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I like, I just don't pay at any mind. So if I came
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across actual evidence in that area of somebody who'd been abducted and their clothing was
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left there, I would completely disregard it. So I guess I just don't
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have the right mind right. As you might recall, Trevor's sister, Michelle,
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attempted to call his cell phone multiple times after he went missing. While
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Michelle can't recall this with one hundred percent certainty, she seems to remember that
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Trevor's phone did ring over the course of the weekend and did not go straight
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to voicemail until Monday the eleventh. On the surface, this would seem to
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indicate that the phone was functional till then, and might rule out the possibility
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that Trevor fell into some water. During an article about this case in the
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Irish Times, one communication specialist stated that Trevor's mobile phone would certainly have gone
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dead if this had happened. In his own words, quote, if the
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phone was on when it went in the water, it would be dead in
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seconds. The radio signals would not penetrate more than a few inches of water,
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so it couldn't ring. End quote. Of course, that might not
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apply to all cell phones today, but this was the year two thousand.
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It's worth noting that the Dailey family was unhappy that the Guardie did not attempt
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to do more to locate or pinpoint Trevor's phone through its network. But whatever
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happened to his phone, I'm still confident in believing that Trevor did not die
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in an accidental drowning. I definitely don't think it was a drowning either.
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I think that someone most likely intercepted him after he passed that ATM machine,
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after we see him crossing that bridge, and right before he's able to get
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to his apartment. It almost feels as though, in this heavy downpour,
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someone could have easily said, there's this guy walking. He looks young,
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he looks kind of naive, like he'd be invincible and he would take risk.
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Let's pull over and ask if he wants a ride. That's kind of
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where I'm leaning. I don't know why, I don't know what they would
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have wanted with him, but it seems like he didn't make it to the
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apartment, and I don't think that was on his own accord. I agree
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with you. I just think, like all traces have been prescribed, we've
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got no evidence. So what is the most likely scenario That somebody offered him
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a ride during a taxi strike during a downpour like four in the morning,
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and he's most likely when to say yes, as long as they don't seem
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scary. What they wanted with him and what their objective was is a little
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bit muddy for me. I mean, were they trying to rob him.
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Was this sexually based? Was this just someone who was looking for a thrill
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kill. I'm a little confused as to what the motive could have potentially been,
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but there's just, again, so many hidden variables here. Another theory
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which has been pushed forward is that Trevor was the victim of a hit and
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run accident and whoever was responsible drove his body away from the scene and disposed
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of it somewhere else. That's certainly not implausible, as the lousy weather conditions
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that night could have caused poor visibility for drivers, and because of the taxi
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strike going on at that time, some intoxicated motorists might have felt more compelled
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to be on the road that night, so it's easy to see how an
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accident like this could happen. Some people have ruled out the hit and run
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theory because no physical evidence was found in the area to support it, such
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as debris from a vehicle, But remember it was a rainy night, Trevor
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was not reported missing for three days, and the entire area was swept over
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in preparation for President Clinton's visit. If there was evidence of a hit and
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run accident, it could have easily been disposed of without anyone realizing it.
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So I wouldn't completely rule out the idea of a hit and run. And
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think about what time it was. I mean it's past four o'clock in the
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morning. I mean drinking is a massive sport in Ireland, and so you
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could have people who were intoxicated behind the wheel on a rainy night, and
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someone who's walking and crossing the street, maybe on his phone, not paying
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attention. I could see where it's a potential that he was hit by a
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car. I think the biggest issue with this case is that while we can
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pinpoint the last sighting of Trevor on the CCTV footage, we can't pinpoint the
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exact time he disappeared. Since he was not actually reported missing until Monday,
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you can't rule out the possibility that Trevor could have made it safely back to
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his apartment and something happened to him on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday.
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Granted, since Trevor was known for being a reliable employee and did not show
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up for his scheduled shift on Friday, it seems most likely that something occurred
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before then. Now you might assume that if Trevor made it to his apartment,
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he would have shown up on some other CCTV footage. But here's the
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thing. The footage of him at the ATM was originally acquired by some of
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Trevor's friends and not the Guardye. The Guardie were not happy about this,
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but it was standard policy for that particular bank to wipe all their CCTV footage
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after the twenty eight days had passed, So if Trevor's friends had not acquired
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it in the nick of time, the footage might have been lost forever.
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So I can't help but wonder if Trevor might have shown up on some other
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CCTV footage from that area, which wound up being erased before anyone had a
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chance to see it. However, I'm inclined to think that Trevor never made
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it back to his apartment and something happened to him after he passed the ATM
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camera. Here's why I don't think he made it home. I think that
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the moment you are notified that this kid went to a Christmas party at his
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place of employment or I mean with his colleagues, that he visited his place
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of employment that he's seen on closed circuit TV. I think that you say,
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what was he wearing the last time he was seen, and there would
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be that description. Well, he was wearing a red plaid shirt and a
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green Christmas tie, or an ugly sweater or a black jacket. Right,
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there'd be a description of what he was wearing. So by the time you
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put together the pieces of that night and he's caught in a downpour. Had
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he gone home Friday night and even left shortly after he arrived home, he
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would have changed out of those wet, damp clothes. He would have put
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them in the dirty clothes, he would have put them in the washing machine.
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He would have put them on his bed something. And there is no
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report that the clothes he was wearing at the Christmas party wherever found. I
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mean, that would be the first thing as an investigator, I asked,
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what was he wearing at the party? I'm going to his apartment and I'm
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finding those clothes that would show me he got there. If they didn't do
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that, holy cow, shame on them. So to me, it rules
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out the idea that he could have made it home. Someone would have said
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the outfit he wore at our Christmas party was in his apartment, which means
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he made it just to play Devil's advocate. And I actually agree with you.
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I don't think he made it home but just to play Devil's advocate.
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What if he wore like a really basic outfit, like black pants and a
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white shirt, and he did make it home, and he was home for
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multiple days, so he managed to wash those clothes and then hang them back
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up, and he had multiple white shirts and multiple pairs of black pants.
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You wouldn't be able to identify necessarily the outfit that he would have been wearing
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to the Christmas party unless there was something super specific and he didn't have other
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clothing like that, because like I have eight million pairs of black pants and
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white shirts, so you would never know what is missing if that was like
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one outfit from my closet. I actually went and looked up what he was
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wearing on the night he disappeared, and it's described as a mustard and brown
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checkered shirt, a baite gray quarter, so that is kind of more distinctive.
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Yes, beige gray corduroy flair trousers and dark deck shoes with white stripes,
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and also a green padded jacket. And I'm assuming they never found the
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jacket. That sounds pretty detailed, so and that if he had arrived at
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the apartment and left his phone accord, he probably would have taken the jacket
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with him. But sadly he was not wearing a red Christmas sweater attacking Christmas
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sweader like Ashley said, but still his clothing was a bit more distinctive than
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usual. So we mentioned in our last episode that the man in black who
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was seen walking past the ATM at four fourteen am has recently been identified and
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ruled out as a suspect, but there was also a CCTV footage of a
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second man in black seen hanging around outside the BIAM headquarters earlier that night,
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and investigat confirmed that he is not the same person and has still not been
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identified to recap cameras captured this man hanging around the rear gate of the BAM
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headquarters in the exact same spot, next to a pillar for about half an
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hour before Trevor showed up there at three thirty four am. And I have
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no idea what would compel someone to stand there that long in such miserable rainy
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weather without shelter. At three o'clock in the morning. I can't be one
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under percent certain, but I'm assuming that Trevor might have been the first person
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to pass this guy during the entire half hour period he was there, because
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he immediately followed Trevor and conversed with him outside the other rear gate. If
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he was a homeless person, this exchange could have been as simple as him
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asking Trevor for some money or a smoke or something. But I doubt the
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conversation was anything memorable, since Trevor didn't feel the need to mention it when
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he spoke with Carl Pender a few minutes later. After waiting at that location
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for so long, you'd almost think the man in black was waiting for an
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opportunity to enter BIM headquarters, But when Trevor unlocked the gate and walked inside,
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the man didn't do anything. It seems unlikely that he was specifically waiting
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there for Trevor, because there's no way he could have anticipated that Trevor would
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decide to walk from the nightclub to his workplace at that time of night.
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So, regardless of whether or not this man is connected Trevor's disappearance, his
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presence outside BIM Headquarters is a bit of a mystery in itself, that is
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a mystery. But I do think once the police confirmed that the man who
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was dressed in black that passed behind Trevor at the ATM machine thirty seconds after
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Trevor passes, when they determined that that was not the same man in black
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who was waiting outside the gates of Biam, I really kind of lost interest
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in this person being the suspect in his disappearance. Now it would it be
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interesting to talk to him to see what he knew. Absolutely, anyone who
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could have seen Trevor that night needs to be spoken to. But I think
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think it's more likely that this is, like you said, someone who might
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have had an addiction issue, that might have been homeless, that might have
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been waiting for a ride because of the taxi strikes, and maybe he was
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saying, hey, man, is there anywhere I can duck in to wait
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for someone? And he's gone, no, man, there's you know this
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is a secure building. You can't come in here. Okay, thanks buddy.
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Hey you got a smoke? I can bumb Okay, thanks buddy.
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It doesn't seem like there was a very exciting interchange between the two or,
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like you said, Trevor Mudd if said something when he went in to talk
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to his colleague, And is it possible that this guy who's waiting there,
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who's just kind of lingering or lurking, that he could have been a pim
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Because we mentioned that there was a lot of sex work in the area and
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drugs, So is it possible that he could have had one of the potential
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women that he managed or whatever he did, and they were with a client
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or something like that, And so that's why he was out at that odd
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hour, and that's why he was just kind of waiting in the area,
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maybe waiting for her to come back. Yeah, that's certainly possible. And
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I don't think he would have said something like, hey, man, you
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interested in a girl or something, because at twenty two, I think Trevor
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would have run in and told his buddy like, oh my god, right,
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Trevor's been drinking, so you know, you'd be like, I just
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got offered sex by you know, this guy for this much money or something
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like that. So I don't think that it would have been something profound that
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he mentioned to him. Could that have been his trade and he was just
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asking Trevor for a smoke for sure, but I don't. I definitely don't
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think he was trying to get Trevor to engage in his business endeavors because we
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have to remember, too, the sex work industry was entirely different in two
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thousand. It wasn't online like it is now. I'm sure there was some
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of it online, but it was a different beast and a lot of it
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was done like on street level. So, especially for survival sex workers at
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that time, I'm sure in Dublin you are going to be going out and
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you're going to be getting that money because you likely have an addiction to feed
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or a family or whatever the situation is. Is a choice to be out
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at that time, but it's not really a choice. So I mean,
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I just can't really think of a lot of other reasons, aside from homelessness
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or illegal activities, that somebody would be sitting or waiting in that area for
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so long. But they had a cell phone in two thousand, so that
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leads me away from them being homeless, because not everybody had a cell phone
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in two thousand. I also think this is a good opportunity to clear up
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a misconception which has been shared about this case. If you search on YouTube,
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you'll find footage of two other men besides a man in black, who
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show up in the CCTV footage by the rear gate at three point thirty seven
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am. It turned out that those two men in the footage were coworkers of
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Trevor's who worked at BIAM headquarters, and they were identified in question by investigators,
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who concluded that they had no useful information to offer. Well. Several
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years ago, this case was profiled on an episode of the British true crime
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series mcinty Are Unsolved. Some confusion ensued because when the episode presented CCTV footage
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of what was supposed to be Trevor standing outside the gate with the man in
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black, they mistakenly showed the footage of Trevor's co workers standing there at three
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thirty seven am. So of course people started wondering who were these other guys
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standing outside the gate until the guard he clarified that they were BIAM employees and
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had no involvement in Trevor's disappearance. But I do find it odd that there
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isn't more information out there about the co workers. Since they stood right next
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to the man in black, you'd hope they might have been able to provide
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investigators with a more detailed description of him, but apparently not. But the
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main reason we mentioned these two guys is because I wonder if their appearance was
25:45
what prompted the man in black to finally walk away, as he was no
25:49
longer present when Trevor left the building at four h two am. Well,
25:53
we also have to remember too, like what if these employees were like out,
25:56
taken a smoke break or something like that, But it's poor rain,
26:00
so they'd have to be crouched under some awning or something to that effect.
26:04
It's very bizarre that anyone would be outside at this hour of night in the
26:10
rain, So these had to be pretty quick interactions like you'd see them.
26:12
Yes, but are is anything profound happening in those moments? I'd be very
26:18
shocked if someone told me, yes, that there's any significance to any of
26:22
the kind of movement that's quickly happening around that area. Well. I have
26:26
seen some pretty wild theories put forward and online discussions about this case, how
26:32
Trevor's disappearance might have been connected to his job at the bank, and that
26:36
the man in black was scouting the bank to plan some sort of heist and
26:38
these other two coworkers were in on it, and then they went after Trevor
26:42
and abducted him to try to get it information so they could perpetuate a heist.
26:47
But that just seems ridiculous and over the top, because, like we
26:49
said, there's no way they could have predicted Trevor would even been there,
26:52
and if this was a heist, it seemed to be the laziest ice plan
26:56
I've ever seen. So for years, the people always debated about whether the
27:00
man outside BIAM and the man who walked past the ATM camera were one and
27:06
the same, But we now know for certain that's not the case. But
27:10
could the first man in black still be involved in Trevor's disappearance. I guess
27:14
you could surmise that after he disappeared from the CCTV footage outside BIM headquarters,
27:19
the man in black stayed out of camera range to keep an eye on the
27:22
gate, and when he saw Trevor leave, he decided to follow him across
27:26
Baggett Street Bridge to Haddington Road. If the guy had set his sights on
27:30
Trevor, that's certainly possible, but there's also no way he could have known
27:33
that Trevor was going to leave the building less than half an hour later.
27:37
For all he knew, Trevor could have remained there for several more hours.
27:41
And Haddington Road is a ten minute walk away, so if this guy did
27:45
something to Trevor, he still followed him for quite a while before he made
27:48
his move. But I'm inclined to believe that if Trevor was attacked it was
27:52
by someone with access to a vehicle. No trace of Trevor was found during
27:57
the President's security sweep of the area, so whoever harmed him probably had to
28:02
abduct him from the area. And I think it's safe to assume that the
28:04
man in black did not have access to a vehicle. He was standing outside
28:08
in the rain for half an hour, and if he had a vehicle park
28:11
nearby, I don't know why he would follow Trevor on foot for over ten
28:15
minutes, even though a public lee was sent out for him to come forward.
28:18
The man in black may have no idea that anyone is even looking for
28:22
him, or, as we saw with the other man in black from the
28:26
ATM, perhaps this guy already spoke to the Guardie several years ago, but
28:30
his statement has been lost in the shuffle and is buried in paperwork somewhere.
28:34
What's really frustrating is that had other businesses along the route been contacted by the
28:41
GUARDI, then they would have possibly had closed circuit TV that captured him walking
28:48
by after that bridge where he was last seen or picked up on camera.
28:52
So that man at his place of employment is so far back along the path,
29:00
I just don't see him circumventing the ATM machine and all these other things
29:04
that we know Trevor did. I'm not interested in him. I'm just not
29:11
interested in him. He'll be happy to hear you say that. Now,
29:18
if Trevor was a victim of foul play, there are many potential scenarios for
29:22
what could have happened. He was walking around in public after four am,
29:27
so he simply could have been the random victim of a robbery gone wrong.
29:32
But then again, it was established at Trevor's body was nowhere to be found
29:36
in the vicinity, and I'm not sure if a random mugger who crossed paths
29:40
with Trevor and killed him would go to the trouble of taking his body out
29:44
of the area to dispose of it. Well. In twenty seventeen, it
29:48
seemed like we might finally have got some answers when infeman came forward to say
29:52
that Trevor was abducted at gunpoint, placed inside a car trunk, driven to
29:57
a house, accidentally shot to death, and then buried in a wooded area.
30:02
There was good reason to think the information might be credible, since he
30:06
claims he did not want any of the reward money which was offered. But
30:10
since the subsequent excavation of the wooded area and Chapel Lizard came up empty,
30:15
it seems like the Guardian no longer believed the story. However, that doesn't
30:18
necessarily mean that the informant was lying. As he claimed, he was passing
30:23
along information which which had been shared with him by a career criminal. So
30:26
it's possible that this person was the one who was lying. Isn't it also
30:32
possible that after Trevor was taken to this wooded area, then disposed of that
30:37
because it is a high place for crime. Remember, drugs were found there,
30:41
Different paraphernalia and things like that were found there. Don't you think it's
30:45
possible that people who used that as a meeting ground, distribution ground, hiding
30:51
place realized Trevor's bodies there. We cannot have a body discovered in this wooded
30:56
area and they moved it. Oh yeah, I think that it's definitely a
31:00
possibility because it had been seventeen years up unto that point, and we know
31:03
that they found some guns and like a consignment of harrow and cocaine there during
31:07
the search. So someone might have come to the idea that this is a
31:11
place we stashed weapons and drugs. We don't want a dead body link to
31:15
this place, so move the remains somewhere else. I mean, I wouldn't
31:18
completely discount that possibility, but let's suppose there is some truth to the informant
31:23
story. I don't know what circumstances could have led to Trevor being placed into
31:29
the trunk of a car and abducted from the area. Like we said earlier,
31:33
this could have been a robbery gone wrong, or since the alleged suspect
31:37
was known to be heavily involved in the drug trade, perhaps Trevor wound up
31:40
stumbling across something he shouldn't have seen, such as a drug deal in progress
31:44
or something worse. I mean, this was after four o'clock in the morning
31:48
and the same area where a sex worker had been murdered over a drug debt
31:52
a year and a half earlier. So I can believe Trevor might have wound
31:55
up in the wrong place at the wrong time. If the informant is telling
31:59
the truth, than the original attention may not have been to kill Trevor,
32:02
or rather just abduct him in order to frighten him into staying silent about what
32:07
he saw. However, the suspect's gun went off accidentally, and now that
32:10
Trevor was dead, the responsible parties had to cover up their crime. Given
32:15
that the authorities happened to stumble across a handgun and a cache of drugs during
32:20
their excavation of the wooded area and Chapel Lizard, I can totally believe that's
32:23
the location where criminals would hide things, including a body, while no trace
32:29
of Trevor was found. Like Ashley said, I wouldn't rule out the possibility
32:32
that someone could have gotten paranoid, dug up his remains and move them elsewhere
32:37
during the two decades since the crime took place. I think that's a very
32:42
real possibility. And again it is Ireland. I mean, drinking's totally different
32:46
in partings totally different than it it necessarily is here in the US. But
32:50
at four am, my mom's telling me nothing good happen after midnight, right,
32:54
So at four am, I'm sure there's a lot of activity on the
32:59
streets. And if I'm engaged in a criminal behavior that I'm going to get
33:02
in trouble for if discovered, If any accident would Trevor happened, a hit
33:07
and run, I scared him and accidentally shot him, all these things.
33:09
You can't go to the authorities for help if you're not willing to take responsibility
33:15
for the criminal behavior you were a part of. So if something had happened
33:19
to him, accidental or purposeful, no one's able to get Trevor help if
33:23
they too were engaged in some kind of deviant behavior. So overall, this
33:28
situation is a tough one. Since the alleged suspect in Trevor's death wasn't publicly
33:34
named, we really don't know enough about him to determine the plausibility of him
33:37
being responsible, and we don't have any information about the informant to determine how
33:43
credible he is either. Frustratingly, after such a potentially major development, it
33:49
looks like the investigation is back to square one. So what is the most
33:52
plausible explanation for what happened to Trevor? Well, I definitely don't think it
33:58
was suicide, and I have my out that he died by accidentally falling into
34:01
a body of water. Since the man in black scene in the CCTV footage
34:07
by the ATM turned out to be a red herring, I do think there's
34:10
a good chance that the other man in black scene in the CCTV footage outside
34:15
BIAM headquarters is a red herring as well. But regardless, I do think
34:20
the most likely theory is that Trevor became a victim of foul play. I'm
34:23
not entirely sure if the story told by the informant is true, but if
34:28
it's not, I think the real truth might be something fairly similar. Trevor
34:31
just crossed paths with the wrong person on his walk home who did him harm.
34:36
They either abducted and murdered him in another location, or they killed him
34:39
on the street but moved his body out of the area and disposed of it
34:43
elsewhere. That is one reason I don't completely rule out the hit and run
34:46
theory, as Trevor could have simply been hit by a drunk driver, and
34:51
this person transported his body out of the area to cover their tracks. But
34:54
unfortunately, if someone out there is directly responsible for Trevor's death, they've essentially
35:00
gotten away with the perfect crime, which is pretty incredible given how much exposure
35:05
this case has received in Ireland. At the very least. However, the
35:08
Daily family have been amazing advocates for Trevor and you know that they will not
35:13
give up until they find out what happened. Trevor's parents are both near their
35:17
eighties right now, and it's heartbreaking to read just how much of a toll
35:21
this ordeal has taken on them as they've grown older. When you read stories
35:25
about the parents of missing victims getting up there in age and hoping to see
35:29
a resolution before they leave this world, you sincerely hope this can happen.
35:35
So if you have any information about the disappearance of Trevor Deely, please contact
35:39
the appropriate authorities. Jules Ashley any final thoughts on this case. This is
35:45
the only thing that there is to say about this case is how tragic it
35:50
is for a family who is mourning the loss of Trevor's presence and aren't particularly
35:58
sure what to be mourning right, not sure what happened to him. They're
36:01
not sure. There's no one hundred percent guarantee that he died that night,
36:07
that he's deceased now, but the likelihood is that he is. So his
36:13
poor family is in this position where they have, from the time he went
36:16
missing to today decades later, advocated for media coverage, advocated that Trevor's story
36:23
be remembered, advocated that his own personal memory and legacy is remembered, and
36:29
they're still in some ways holding a space for him in their own family,
36:32
asking what if right? And so it's heartbreaking. My disheart and soul go
36:40
out to a family who's saying, please, don't forget who Trevor was.
36:44
Can you guys imagine if decades later someone came forward and said, I know
36:49
what happened. It is very interesting that that one informant did come forward with
36:53
a pretty powerful story. Were they lying? It's possible that they want attention,
37:00
but they didn't get much and they didn't ask for any money. So
37:04
part of me thinks that there is a nuggative truth in there. Right.
37:07
Do they have the whole story? Possibly not, but man, it takes
37:12
one person and time ends up being on the family side when decades have passed.
37:16
So prayers that someone who knows what happened can come forward and give this
37:21
families some answers. Before I give my final thoughts, just one question,
37:24
Robin, So the informant they came forward, do we know if that informant
37:30
has any connection to the unnamed suspect. I'm not entirely sure. They haven't
37:37
really made that clear. I'm guessing so because apparently this unnamed suspect told this
37:42
story of some sort, so I guess they must have had a close relationship
37:45
at some point, but I know that the Guardia kept details very secret from
37:50
the public. Yeah, it's really interesting. I wish we knew more,
37:54
and I agree with everything you said, Ash. It's just so tragic for
37:58
the family to have nowhere that they can go to more in the loss of
38:01
Trevor, to not have his physical body, and just to have zero answers.
38:07
I think we have not a lot to go on here. But I
38:12
just don't think the idea that he fell into a body of water is all
38:15
that plausible. I think there would have been some trace that would have showed
38:19
up over time. And I mean, of course I don't think that he
38:22
completed suicide, because you would find the body, and it just doesn't seem
38:27
like his behavior was in line with somebody who wanted to end their own life.
38:30
And I know sometimes you can't see it coming, but he literally just
38:34
a short while before made plans for later that weekend with a friend, and
38:38
he'd seen all the people that night. He seemed to be in good spirits.
38:43
It just seems like he came across the wrong person. Whatever their motive
38:45
was, be it robbery or something else that is unknown right now, and
38:51
for whatever reason they decided to end his life. It is just so tragic
38:57
that nobody has come forward because I feel like this is a where more than
39:00
one person will know what had happened to Trevor, and like should have concrete
39:06
details, and I guess that's what the informant was potentially doing with where the
39:10
body could have been but may have been moved. It's really sad that the
39:15
parents don't have those remains and to this day don't have a concrete answer as
39:21
to what happened to Trevor. Yeah. I've been following this case for years,
39:25
ever since I covered it on the Trail Went Cold nearly six years ago,
39:29
and I still find it to be one of the most haunting cases I've
39:32
ever seen, because it's just one of those things where there were a bunch
39:36
of wrong circumstances which put Trevor in his position where if he had been able
39:40
to take a taxi home to his apartment from the party, but there was
39:44
a strike so that he otherwise would have been safe, and if it had
39:47
been raining hard, he probably just would have walked straight home without stopping by
39:52
his workplace to pick up an umbrella, so things might have turned out differently.
39:55
And the reason I decided to revisit this case recently because they made that
40:00
shocking announcement that the man in black seen passing by the ATM camera had been
40:07
identified and ruled out as having any involvement in Trevor's disappearance. And I have
40:12
to admit that for years I thought this guy might have had some involvement,
40:16
that maybe he was following Trevor, and that he may have abducted him at
40:20
a later time or killed him. But since we know that's not the case,
40:23
this investigation is right back to square one, and it has taken such
40:28
a toll on the Daily family that they just said that it was a bittersweet
40:31
moment to have this new lead, saying that, well, I'm glad we
40:35
can close the chapter on this lead and not devote any more resources to it.
40:38
But at the same time, if this man was not involved in Trevor's
40:42
disappearance, then what did happen to him? We've got nothing to work with,
40:45
and I think the closes we have is this story from the informant about
40:50
Trevor crossing paths with some criminal figures who killed him that night and disposed of
40:54
his body. And while this full story about him being shot accidentally at an
40:59
apartment may not be entirely true, I do think that what actually did happen
41:04
to Trevor that there are some elements of truth in it. I think it's
41:07
something similar. I think he just prospassed with the wrong person and that they
41:10
killed him and disposed of his body and have just somehow managed to get away
41:15
with it. And like we talked about, what may lead to this case
41:17
being solved is for the right person to come forward, and we went in
41:22
a step in the right direction when that informant came forward in twenty seventeen,
41:25
but unfortunately it didn't pan out, but I do have a feeling that there
41:30
are other people out there who might know the full truth, who might have
41:32
the answers, so hopefully they do come forward at some point, and then
41:37
maybe the Daley family will finally get a resolution after twenty three years. Robin,
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