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EYL #149 Joy Taylor on Broadcasting, & The Business of Sports · Earn Your Leisure

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  Speaker 4: All right, guys, welcome back e y l l A edition.
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  Speaker 4: We're on the legendary run here. It's probably our best
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  Speaker 4: content that we've ever shot, and we've done a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of sports episodes. Shout out to be Diddy, our boy
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  Speaker 4: parent David. Shout out to John.
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  Speaker 2: Sally the first time we had shout at him.
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  Speaker 4: Harrington. That's that's the brop but common denominated. There's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of testosterone in these these interviews there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of testosterone in these interviews that we're doing, so it's
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  Speaker 4: only right that we we balance things out or try
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  Speaker 4: to balance things out. But this is actually the first
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  Speaker 4: episode that we have ever done with a sports commentatory,
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  Speaker 4: so you're breaking ground for us. Joey Taylor one of
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  Speaker 4: our favorites ever since she was with the other network.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if there's beef with that situation, but
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  Speaker 4: he's what ESPN, no other show, the show on the show?
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  Speaker 6: Oh no, no no.
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  Speaker 4: I get that a lot though, because it feels like
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  Speaker 4: it was on.
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  Speaker 6: Because like trolls will be like, that's why you got
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  Speaker 6: fired for people. Get I used to work for the
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  Speaker 6: ESPN affiliate when I did my show in Miami, so
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  Speaker 6: that's where the confusion may lie. But you're not really
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  Speaker 6: working for ESPN when you're an affiliate stations. But no,
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  Speaker 6: there's no beef with Undisputed.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, shout out to undershoot it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, wait, what happened? Wait? I gotta wait
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  Speaker 2: another hour. I got like two hours.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, But now she's on the Herd and co hosts
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  Speaker 4: Yes the fact, and we watched these shows a lot.
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  Speaker 4: I used to watch it a lot more, but when
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  Speaker 4: I had more free time. But I was always in
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  Speaker 4: the sports debate shows, in sports shows. So it's an
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  Speaker 4: interesting dynamic because these are conversations that we have all
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  Speaker 4: the time.
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  Speaker 2: They get pretty heated.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, yeah, that's what sports I mean, that's fan
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  Speaker 6: is short for fanatic. So we don't like to think
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  Speaker 6: of ourselves that way, but that's that's what sports conversations are.
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  Speaker 6: There's a lot of opinion.
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  Speaker 4: You know what we didn't have who I'm moderator, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we did EYL Sports coming soon. So I'm excited to
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  Speaker 4: have this conversation because I feel like all of the
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  Speaker 4: sports conversations that we've had on the show have been
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  Speaker 4: with athletes, but we've never had anybody from it that's
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  Speaker 4: in the sports world that's not an athlete. And I'm
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  Speaker 4: interested to get your perspective. I'm interested in to hit
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  Speaker 4: the business out of it, your journey, the whole nine yard.
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  Speaker 4: So first and Foremoal, thank you for joining us, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 6: Now, thank you for having me. I'm sorry I pooled
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  Speaker 6: the LA thing late, made it happen, so edit that
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  Speaker 6: part of.
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  Speaker 4: It's so good. It's so good, all right, So let's
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  Speaker 4: jump into it. So how did you get started into this?
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  Speaker 4: Because you know, I was thinking about it. It's actually
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  Speaker 4: probably you know how they say, like it's like one
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  Speaker 4: in a million chances to be in the NBA. But
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  Speaker 4: there's like three hundred and some of my players in
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  Speaker 4: the NBA. But there's only probably like twenty people that
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  Speaker 4: actually commentate on sports on major networks. So it's probably
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  Speaker 4: even rarer to even do what you do if you
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  Speaker 4: look at it from that standpoint, there's not a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people that do that, especially if they're not athletes.
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  Speaker 4: So how did you get into this?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 6: I played sports growing up. I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 6: If you know anything about Pittsburgh or that part of
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  Speaker 6: the country, I mean, the sports is like a way
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  Speaker 6: of life, like they wrapped the babies in terrible towels
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  Speaker 6: when they're born, like it's not adoption. And I actually
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  Speaker 6: grew up around a lot of women who were very
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  Speaker 6: passionate about sports. My grandmother and my aunts, my mom
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  Speaker 6: were just like hardcore sports fans, like they would really
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  Speaker 6: be mad if the Steelers lost, and whatever was going
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  Speaker 6: on during the day, like once the game comes on,
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  Speaker 6: cut whatever we're doing we're watching the game. So I
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  Speaker 6: played sports growing up. I played basketball, volleyball, soccer, and
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  Speaker 6: ran and ran track in college and then obviously my
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  Speaker 6: brother I played from you know, as long as I
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  Speaker 6: can remember. So I've always been around sports and kind
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  Speaker 6: of I have that I guess that traditional broadcasting story.
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  Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of people who are in news
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  Speaker 6: be like, oh, you know, I used to do broadcasts
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  Speaker 6: with the you know, hairbrush and stuff. My mom had
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  Speaker 6: gotten us this old school camera that you put the
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  Speaker 6: whole VHS tape. If you're probably under the age twenty
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  Speaker 6: five year idea, what that is that you put a
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  Speaker 6: whole tape in the whole camera thing. So we used
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  Speaker 6: to shoot like Kung Fu movies and you know, news
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  Speaker 6: broadcasts and stuff. So I probably always was meant to
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  Speaker 6: be on the broadcasting side. But I just always loved sports.
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to be Michael Jordan, which you know five
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  Speaker 6: to two, so that's not happening. Yeah. So I just
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  Speaker 6: always had an opinion about sports. Like we were saying
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  Speaker 6: before we started recording, like if you're a sports fan,
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  Speaker 6: you have an opinion about everything, like you care like
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  Speaker 6: you're a fanatic, you care about your teams, You care
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  Speaker 6: about what they should do, you care about who your
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  Speaker 6: favorite player is, and you know, being a college athlete,
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  Speaker 6: you kind of start to understand how hard it is
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  Speaker 6: to go from it's hard to go from high school
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  Speaker 6: to play in college, but from college to the pros
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  Speaker 6: is as you said, it's really rare. It's hard to do.
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  Speaker 6: So I had all this kind of background in sports
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  Speaker 6: to begin with, and then I went to Barry University
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  Speaker 6: in Miami for broadcast journalism. And when I got to school,
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  Speaker 6: one of my professors had one of the managers of
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  Speaker 6: the radio station, which I didn't even know that we
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  Speaker 6: had at the school, come in and talk to our
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  Speaker 6: class and was like, you know, we're looking for radio
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  Speaker 6: hosts for the radio station here, And I was like,
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  Speaker 6: how did I even have spots? Like we're all and
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  Speaker 6: so we should all be trying to do that. So
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  Speaker 6: I went down and signed up for a show and
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  Speaker 6: just started learning the basics of radio, which I always
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  Speaker 6: really loved radio. I loved Howard Stern, I loved listening
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  Speaker 6: to morning shows. I liked the idea that you could
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  Speaker 6: bring somebody into the room with you, like theater of
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  Speaker 6: the mind. You know, when you listen to a good
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  Speaker 6: radio show, you feel like you're a part of their life,
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  Speaker 6: like you want to know, like what happened with that.
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  Speaker 6: You know they got in a fight with their wife
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  Speaker 6: last night, they're going to talk it or this prank,
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  Speaker 6: and you feel like you're in the room with them,
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  Speaker 6: and you really establish kind of a relationship because it's
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  Speaker 6: your routine to listen to them every day. So I
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  Speaker 6: love that. And on the business side of things, I
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  Speaker 6: try to look ahead at what the direction the business
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  Speaker 6: was going in, and a lot of people think like
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  Speaker 6: you got to start as a reporter or a writer,
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  Speaker 6: and to me, I saw what was happening with politics.
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  Speaker 6: Most political shows are really just opinion shows. They're labeled
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  Speaker 6: as news, but we know they're not news. Their opinion.
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  Speaker 6: It's news opinion. Sports and politics have a lot in
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  Speaker 6: common because it's really and now even more become the
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  Speaker 6: last live thing you can really watch. So opinion is
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  Speaker 6: very valuable because people watch it live and then they
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  Speaker 6: want to hear what you think about it. So I
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  Speaker 6: felt like it was the right move for me to
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  Speaker 6: go into an opinion direction, and radio gives you that
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  Speaker 6: format because what are we doing here? We're just talking
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  Speaker 6: so started interning at sports radio station in Miami, and
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  Speaker 6: then I interned on a music morning show, DJ Laz
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  Speaker 6: Power ninety six, and that gave me sort of a
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  Speaker 6: background in you know, and entertainment and booking guests and
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  Speaker 6: how do you create a following and that kind of
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  Speaker 6: energy that I was talking about where people are like
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  Speaker 6: in the room with you and get to know your character.
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  Speaker 6: So that was kind of like my my base and
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  Speaker 6: how I really started to get into the business and
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  Speaker 6: learn the business.
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  Speaker 3: From a financial standpoint, because a lot of people will
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  Speaker 3: stop their dream because they'll say it doesn't pay enough
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  Speaker 3: at this point. Are you doing other things to supplement
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  Speaker 3: income or was this something that was paying for your
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  Speaker 3: life at the time.
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  Speaker 6: You know, it's funny. I was talking to a young
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  Speaker 6: girl who's graduating school in a month or so, and
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  Speaker 6: what they don't tell you about broadcasting is you're not
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  Speaker 6: going to make any money.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I've heard.
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  Speaker 6: Don't get in the business. If that's your plan. If
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  Speaker 6: you have you know, a trust fund, or you got
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  Speaker 6: like some other kind of situations, that's that's that's good.
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  Speaker 6: Make sure you're hung though, because that's not going to
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  Speaker 6: help you move up either. You just don't make any
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  Speaker 6: money when you first get in the business. My first
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  Speaker 6: job ended up being at the place I interned at
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  Speaker 6: five sixty q AM in Miami, and I think I
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  Speaker 6: made like eight fifty an hour or something in Miami.
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  Speaker 6: So that's not enough enough, so I bartended and freelanced it.
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  Speaker 6: Like I mean, I think at one point I had
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  Speaker 6: like ten jobs, so writing anywhere, picking up shifts on
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  Speaker 6: the weekends. I had two bartending jobs. I mean there
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  Speaker 6: was a month out like I really worked every single day,
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  Speaker 6: like bartended every single day, and freelance on the weekends.
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  Speaker 6: Like you're just not going to make any money when
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  Speaker 6: you first get in the business. It's just how it is.
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  Speaker 6: They don't tell you that. And because it's television, it
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  Speaker 6: seems like it's like a it's a glamor job, even radio,
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  Speaker 6: like it's a glamour job, and it is, but it
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  Speaker 6: just doesn't pay until you get to the highest, highest,
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  Speaker 6: highest level. So yeah, I mean it's you always have
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  Speaker 6: to have other income from the beginning. And really actually
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  Speaker 6: even the guys and women who at the highest level
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  Speaker 6: always have multiple jobs because it's a very unpredictable business.
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  Speaker 6: And I think we all saw that this past year,
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  Speaker 6: like it's you could not have sports and then what
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  Speaker 6: do you do.
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  Speaker 3: I'm still wondering why people are broadcasting from home because
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  Speaker 3: I feel like if they're going into these situations like
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  Speaker 3: these arenas, I'm looking at it like why are we
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  Speaker 3: at home doing a game when we could just be
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  Speaker 3: in the boxes at the game.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 4: Like broadcasters they are at the game. A lot of
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  Speaker 4: them are doing it from home. Like Chris Webber, that's him,
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  Speaker 4: that's not him.
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  Speaker 3: Like I watched Ryan ROOKLD the other day, he was
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  Speaker 3: doing it from his boss.
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  Speaker 6: A lot for the industry's changed a lot because of
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  Speaker 6: the pandemic. One thing that a lot of the studios
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  Speaker 6: have learned that you don't have to be in studio.
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  Speaker 6: So like for us, we used to never have guests
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  Speaker 6: unless they were in studio or unless they were like
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  Speaker 6: at a studio with a studio camera and studio connection.
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  Speaker 6: Like we would never do skype, very rarely do phone calls,
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  Speaker 6: so we were actually kind of limited when it came
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  Speaker 6: to guess you had to be in la so a
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  Speaker 6: lot of times if the network would fly you out.
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  Speaker 6: That's why they have the you know the what am
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  Speaker 6: I what's the word I'm looking for? Like the spin cycle,
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  Speaker 6: they put you through the cycle and all the shows
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  Speaker 6: because they've flown you out for a couple days. So
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  Speaker 6: they're flying out you out to Bristol. Say a ESPN,
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  Speaker 6: you're going to do every single show for a couple
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  Speaker 6: of days. And same with us because the network's paying
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  Speaker 6: to put you up and has to pay for your
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  Speaker 6: meals and the whole thing. Now you could do it
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  Speaker 6: all on zoom. So why we need to fly people out?
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  Speaker 6: You can say, rightse your house. The connection's great. The
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  Speaker 6: audience doesn't care because they know why you're not there.
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  Speaker 6: So for a lot of networks and shows, they're like, well,
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  Speaker 6: we're paying for all the studio space for It was
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  Speaker 6: always a concern for the audience. I think a lot
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  Speaker 6: of people felt like it didn't look polished, so the
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  Speaker 6: audience wasn't going to take the show seriously. But now
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  Speaker 6: we all know why everyone's home. We know that it's
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  Speaker 6: more affordable, it's easy. We kind of like the rawness
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  Speaker 6: of some of these shows being that we're like seeing
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  Speaker 6: people at home and it's not the whole studio setup.
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  Speaker 6: So some shows that actually serves them. So I mean
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  Speaker 6: eventually we'll get back to it's much easier to broadcast
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  Speaker 6: a game or call a game in person that's not
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  Speaker 6: being there. But for a lot of shows they're going
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  Speaker 6: to stay home in some capacity.
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  Speaker 4: But do you think that, I don't know. I just
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  Speaker 4: felt even talking like Charlomagne when we went to the
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  Speaker 4: Breakfast Club, he was very adamant that we do the
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  Speaker 4: Breakfast Club in person because he was like, it's just
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  Speaker 4: not the same when they're doing it in Zoom, and
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  Speaker 4: we feel the same way, like, you know, we have
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  Speaker 4: done Zoom episodes, but it's not the same, Like there's
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  Speaker 4: nothing like in person experience. So for you personally, even
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  Speaker 4: though you guys don't have a lot of guests, but
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  Speaker 4: you still are interacting with other people on set, do
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  Speaker 4: you prefer the in person experience or it doesn't really
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  Speaker 4: matter to you.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, in person is always better. You get the energy,
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  Speaker 6: you know, the cadence. You don't have to worry abou
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  Speaker 6: technology freaking out on you, which you know hasn't doesn't
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  Speaker 6: happen a lot, but it's still a liability. Can happen
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  Speaker 6: at any time, So that's you know, that could ruin things,
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  Speaker 6: or it's you know, it's delayed or things like that.
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  Speaker 6: So in person is always preferred and better, but for
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  Speaker 6: everything it's not necessary. So like for Colin and I,
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  Speaker 6: we've had to do some shows where we're not in
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  Speaker 6: studio together because of code, and it's very difficult, especially
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  Speaker 6: for us because we have a lot of like banter
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  Speaker 6: back and forth and we at this point we know
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  Speaker 6: each other as like Cadence and all that. But when
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  Speaker 6: you have to give it an extra second because of
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  Speaker 6: the delay, it's like it's very choppy. It's hard to do.
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  Speaker 6: So that's definitely not preferred. But for guests like you
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  Speaker 6: know here and there, it's it's not a massive difference,
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  Speaker 6: and it opens up so many more guests for us
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  Speaker 6: because we can have players like we have players from
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  Speaker 6: you know, literally walk off the practice field in their
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  Speaker 6: car like we would never get them, you know, during
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  Speaker 6: the season before because there's no access.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say so because I'm thinking in
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  Speaker 3: your career, I watched it. So you did the broadcast
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  Speaker 3: radio and then you hosted Fantasy Football for CBS and
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  Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen Fox Sports, which one of those moments
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  Speaker 3: was the you know what, I'm in the right place.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I should be doing with my career.
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: And actually started in Miami because I was the executive
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: producer of the Hawkman and Zaslow Show at seven to
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: ninety the Ticket and I had a kind of a
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: significant on air role as the executive producer. And Hawkman left,
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: so they were looking for a co host for the
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: morning show there and Zasla was going to be hosting
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: the show co host and he was like, you know,
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: I want joy and so they offered it to me
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: and I took it. And once we started rolling with
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: that show, and I saw kind of like the impact
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: that the people that listened to the show, like you
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: go out in the city and people would be like,
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: I love the show, Like you guys do such a
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: great show. We listened every morning, like my daughter listens,
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: my family listens, like you got my wife listening to
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: sports talk radio. Because of the show that we were doing.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: That's when I really felt like I could I could
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: maybe break through with this, Like I feel confident. You know,
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: you start to hit your stride and that's really when
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: you lean into your personality and and for me, that
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: was when I really got my confidence in what I
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: was doing in broadcasting.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, what is the process of
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: actually getting hired to be a broadcast? Is it, like
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: you an actor, you have to actually read apart, like
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: do you actually have to give you a hypothetical five
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: minute thing and you have to talk? And then I
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: noticed like you have a unique voice, Like I feel
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: like work has are so polished way they talk. I'm
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: embarrassed to how I speak, Like listen like they're saying.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: It's like what's best? Yeah, addiction is just so perfect
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: and the voice structure, like is that natural or do
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: you have to actually go to classes to learn how
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: to speak like that?
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: What's funny? I was looking for an agent in my
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: second contract in Miami, and I had an agency tell
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: me that I needed to go to voice like a
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: voice coach. They're like, your voice isn't strong enough for something.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: I was like, I don't know, fucking curse on here.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: Out of four hours of radio every day, I don't
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: need a voice code. But you know, it's things like
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: that actually that motivates you. So the process, at least
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: for me, I'll tell you what my experience was because
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: I can't speak for every network, but generally you're going
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: to have a reel so you'll have a radio reel,
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: a TV reel, which is essentially like cuts of your
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: best work or not necessarily your best work, it could
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: be a kind of yeah, but it's it's stuff you've
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: already done. So, like, one of the hard things about
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: broadcasting is nobody wants to hire you if you don't
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: have experience, but you can't get hired. You can't get
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: experience peop unless you get hired, So it's like what
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: do you do? So that's why building stuff up in
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: college is really important. And now kids that are in
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: college or you know, early on in the broadcasting careers
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: have a great advantage in YouTube and Instagram and you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: all these things that when I was coming out of
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: school really weren't strong. Like you can really build up
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: a good solid amount of like tape and reputation and
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: you know, material to send to people before you're even
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: out of school now. So that's like definitely something that
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: people should take advantage of. But a reel is essentially
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: it's like a three minute it's a highlight reel. Like
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: it's just like if you were playing sports, like you
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: it's your best highlights, or if it's a specific job,
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: like maybe you're going for a reporting job over hosting job,
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: you would cut your best reporting reel and send that
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: to the station or the network so they'll watch that.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: They'll definitely look into your references. Generally, people don't want
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: to hire people that are difficult to work with, that
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: you know, aren't consistent, they don't try when they're at work,
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: or they don't get along with anybody, So your reputation
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: is really important. References are important, which is why internships
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: are so important, because it's just like any other those
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: people want to hire people they know, like they prefer
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: to hire someone they know or someone that they know
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: knows over somebody that just walks in up the street.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: You have good references, but you know, you want to
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: feel like this is if I'm bringing somebody into my company,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna give them this job, this opportunity of this
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: role that I know they're not going to like make
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: me look bad or cause problems. So that's super important.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: But you're real your resume, your references are the most
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: important things. So once you get an interview, depending on
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: what it is, like, I didn't do a audition for radio.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: When I got hired for radio, I did the interview.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: They had my radio reel from the last station. They
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: knew what I've done at Barry, they knew the you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: the the reputation that I had at q AM, and
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: I got the job as an executive producer. But I
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: had a lot of producing experience at that point. I
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: had two internships as a producer and then I worked
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: as a producer for I think a year and a
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: half at q AM, plus all of the other ten
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: jobs that I had. Yeah, so you really want to
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: have like a strong reel and send it to people
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: in the business to give you critiques on it, because,
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: like anything else, once you get bored, they're going to
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: move on to the next thing. So you really wanted
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: to be like strong, keep somebody's attention that represents who
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: you are. So those are generally the things that will
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: get you the interview. Now, when you get to the
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: network level, you're still going to have a real so radio,
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: real reporting reel, hosting reel, you know, whatever it is
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: that you're going for. So when I got to Fox,
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: then you have to audition, So it's it's kind of
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, I've been to some acting auditions, so I
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: guess it's like that but it's there's no script, so
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: that's the difference. So I came in and did well.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: They called a test, so it's not that they don't
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: call it an audition. They called it a test, but
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: it's an audition, so you go in. Well, I went
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: in and you know, we had this set and had
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: a few people like auditioning testing with me, and they
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: do like a segment, so they did camp. It was
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: I mean, this was twenty sixteen, right, so Cam Newton
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: someone was in Carolina still and the newspaper there had
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: published some letter to the editor from some old lady
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: who was like mad at Cam Newton about having a
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: baby and not marrying his girl. Okay, and it was
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: like super bizarre, but I get everyone was talking about it,
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: and so we kept talking about it. You know, We're
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: going around the panel and everyone's like giving their opinion
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: about it. And I was like, are we really talking
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: about a man having a baby out of Like we're
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: using the term out of wedlock in twenty sixteen, Like
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: this man is supporting his child, he's claving his woman,
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: he's good in the community, he's the face of the organization.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: Like who cares if he buries her? Or not. What
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: are we talking about? Like the only person should be
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: met about this is her, like if she had fne
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: But like, why are we worried about what this old
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: lady is saying about Cam Newton? I married his girl
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: who he's taking care of the child. Like I'm very
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: confused as to why we're talking about this. So that
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: was that was our audition, Like that was I had
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: multiple auditions, but like that's basically what happened. Like they
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: gave you a topic, you research it and.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Like give your opinion when you were creating your reels.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Because when you said you were an athlete, you looked
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: up to Michael Jordan, and so in the broadcasting world
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: you look and you said you listen to Howard Stern.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Were there broadcast analysts that you were looking up to?
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: And were they male or female? Like was it like
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Stuart Scott or was it like, uh, Robin Roberts.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: And Robin Roberts Stuart Scott, I mean honestly, like al
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Michaels was the man? Yeah, I love now Michaels. I
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: mean you got John Madden, you know, I just I
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: really loved football, like in like Monday night football to
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: me when I first gone the business. That was my goals,
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: like I'm going to be the first woman to like
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: call Monday night football games full time, And then I
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: realized how hard played. Play by play is no joke,
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: although I did do play by play this year for
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: Prime Video on Thursday Night Football with Bucky Brooks and
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: Daniel Jeremiah, So I guess the dream is still alive.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: But there's a difference between play by play and color coordinator.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: Right, yeah, so play by play and color commentary commentary. Yeah, yeah,
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: So play by play is traditional play by play, which
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: isn't what we did on Prime Video is more of
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: like a conversation, but we still had to do some
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: elements at play by playing and color. So play by
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: play you'll see like them line up, so it'll be
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: like it'll be Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, Like Joe
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: Buck is play by play, Troy Aikman is the color.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: So basically, the play by play will explain what's happening,
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: how they're lining up, who through to who, what's that
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: like down in distance, how much time is left, whatever,
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: shot clock, things like that, and color will add the
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: elements of the play. So this is why they called
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: that there if you if you watch so and so's
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: in motion like so there's a balance to it and
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: timing and the best duos like Joe about Ben troyk
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Man like have that cadence totally down to Yeah, Tony's amazing,
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Tony's amazing. He's amazing. Yes, and he So that's that's
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: exactly how it is. So he adds he has the
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: color like the play by play, it does the outline
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: and the color is the colors, if that makes sense.
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: It's very simplistic.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: But the colors.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, color coordinator. That's that's a new that's a new position.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Color coordinator. How difficult is it to read off of teleprompters.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: It's so it's scary, but it takes like once you
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: get the everyone has their own system. So for me,
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: I'm like a bit of a perfectionist. And you know,
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: you're working with Skip and Shannon, so yeah, it's a
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: whole lot.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Of room for error.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: But the first time a telepromper breaks on you is
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: when you really like respect like, okay, this is not
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: because you're so reliant on that and the purpose of
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: the teleprompter is to set something up precisely or to
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: read a commercial precisely, like otherwise you would just have
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: notes and you would talk like you freesyle it with
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: maybe with notes, but like you're not gonna read it,
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: so it's meant to make you look like you're talking
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: but you're actually reading. So one you can't just sit
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: there like and coming up next, like is you got
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: a top like you would normally talk but you're actually reading.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: Can't but listen, but listen. That's how it is. That's
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: why that's funny, because that's really how it is. Like
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: you rely on this machine. Sometimes it just goes down
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: and like sometimes somebody will put the wrong word in
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: and then you get messed up, or they're going too
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: fast or they're going too slow, and then you're like
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: coming up. So it it is a it's a bit
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: of an art to learn it. For me, I would
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: always have paper like my script next to me and
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: there and I would make marks like okay, so this
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: is I'm gonna break here, I take a breath, he year,
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: so that if the prompter went down for any reason,
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: or if they were reading too slow or anything was wrong,
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: then I could just look down and keep going. And
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: I would always flip so you'll notice when when people
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: do news broadcasts and they're moving their papers, that's what
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: they're doing. So they're keeping up with the prompters so
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: that if the prompter goes down, they can just read
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: off the script and just keep it going.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, I stole that fe We saw people writing notes
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: and we're like, what are they doing.
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what that's what they're doing. Yeah, they're just
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: they're keeping they're keeping pace with the teleprompters so that
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: if it goes down, because it's scary, like you're just
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: out there and you're not memorizing this stuff because it's
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: on it's supposed to be there for you to read.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: So if it goes down, then you got to like
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: ad lib and what you know, maybe that was a
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: specific quote you were supposed to read, so I don't
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: want no parts of messing that up.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: So that's like in middle school when the teacher used
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: to ask me to read. I used to try to, like,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: you know, you got a group assignments, like I would
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: read my part in my brain like five minutes four
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: or you know, you don't want to get embarrassed. A
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: lot of people got embarrassed in the class when.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: She used to make y'all read.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a that's a different conversation forget. That is
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: a fact, though not because people don't fully respect how
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: they think. You just go out there and you just
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: talking about sports. But it's like this stuff is hard
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: and it's a high level of anxiety, Like you got
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: to read something and there's somebody if you mess up,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: like everybody's looking at you, and it's like it's not
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: as easy as people think it is.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then you're a woman. So yeah, there's no.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Room for let's let's get into that. Let's get it,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: let's get into that conversation. So sports every well, unfortunately everything,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: A lot of industries are male dominated, and sports is
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: no different. Right, So even like most shows, they'll have
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: one woman, but they might have like three guys or
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: two guys or whatever. So how is it breaking into
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: that being a woman? How has your experience been in
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: the world of sports being a woman.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: Well, I think it's changed throughout my career. Like I
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: was thinking about it the other day, because I run
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: into situations where I think sometimes like I expect the
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: men around me to fight for me, and then I'm like, man,
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: how many men have really fought for me throughout my career,
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: Like I can think of one situation where I was
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: really getting disrespected and the host went out of his
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: way to make sure that that's not dip by by
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: like someone else in this in the station.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Like a a boss.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah okay, and and he just what I told him
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: what happened, and he just wasn't having it. But that
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: situation actually ended up pushing me out of that station,
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: which led me to the next station, which led me
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: to the show, which led me here. So sometimes, you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: when you reach a block in life, or someone's telling
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: you know, or you're being made to feel uncomfortable, it's
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: sometimes because the universe is telling you it's time to disrupt,
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: like it's time to move, and you know, uplift and
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: try something new or go another direction. But I've been
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: really blessed that the talent that I've worked with has
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: been very supportive of me, has been very big advocates
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: for me, big allies for me. I don't know that
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: I can say that for every woman in the business.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: I've also had horrific experiences and you know, Ben sexually
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: harassed and Ben put in you know, compromising situations, and
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: you know had gotten a job, and then you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: God had a reference to be like, yeah, so what's up,
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: because you know what I'm saying, you got this job,
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: like this job first of all, like, so, no, I
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: don't owe you anything, but it's you know, it's it's
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: a very specific industry because we are mostly covering men,
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: and there is an expectation as a woman in sports
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: that you you're only there to be on TV or
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: to be famus like you don't actually really care about sports.
• 31:02
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  Speaker 6: And I don't know that other industries really come with that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: Like if you're a you know, a female doctor, obviously
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: it's very male dominated space, but nobody's gonna be like
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: do you really care about medicine? Like yeah, I'm a doctor.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: I a lot get to become this doctor, Like yes,
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: I care about what I do. Whereas sports, you constantly
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: have to prove yourself every day, which is my point
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: about messing up, like I don't I'm crazy about like
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: my notes. Everything has to be perfect has to be
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: triple checked because I don't want to go on air
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: and say something and it's like the wrong team or
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: something something silly like oh, you know, I say you
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: got traded and he really got cut and picked up.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: Because for a man, they can and say that, nobody's
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: going to be like, oh, he doesn't know anything about
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: sports or he doesn't care about sports. For a woman,
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: that's like they're gonna look at you like it's an
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: avalanche of people telling you that you know, you don't
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: belong there, or it invalidates you in some way. So,
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: I mean, we've seen many examples of that. But that's
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: really the difference to me and other industries, because I
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: agree with you most industries are now dominated. Sports isn't
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: unique in that space, But what is unique is that
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: if you do make it to any kind of level
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  Speaker 6: you belong there, why you belong there, And if you
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  Speaker 2: I told you he really doesn't like sports, really doesn't like.
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  Speaker 3: Is that something that you're consistently battling because obviously when
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes there's other women in the business, and it's certainly executives.
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  Speaker 2: Like what's that relationship like with other women in the business.
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  Speaker 6: More whelmingly, women in this business are very supportive of
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: each other with like any kind of you know, humans interacting.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: You're not going to get along with everybody, but at
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: least for me, the people that I don't get along
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: with you'll never know because I don't believe in that,
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: Like I'm not no matter what happens. Pretty much yet
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: like no matter what happens. I'm not going to put
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: anybody out out there for that, even if it's personal,
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: because one, it's too hard for women, especially Black women,
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: to get into this business and to get opportunities. So
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: I don't like reinforcing any type of stereotype that like
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: women are catty with each other, because really that's not
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: the truth. Like I want other women to be in
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: the business. I want other women to have opportunities because
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: the more women, the more Black women, the more diversity
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: there is, the less of a thing it is. And
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: then we're not talking about this.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like black women have dominated.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Like I remember growing up watching ESPN and like Craig
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Kilbourne and Carl Rabbits I knew though names, and Stuart
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Sky and now Jamail Hill, who obviously is not with
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the ESPAN anymore, but you carry champion. I feel like
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: El Duncan I know those names more than I'm looking
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: at the guys, like who's this guy sitting next to him?
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Now? Like there's been a shift, would you.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Say, I definitely think there are more opportunities now, and
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: I think that more companies are seeing the value and
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: having diversity. Not only does it bring in other audiences,
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: but it brings in different perspectives which only enriches the
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: conversation and you know, the opinions and the shows. But
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: also I will say, because women and particularly black women
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: have to work twice as hard for half as much.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: When you do get an opportunity, you're a fucking baller
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: because you're so much better than you had to be
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: to get that job. So it's never a surprise to
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: me when we thrive, because it's like, do you know
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: what I had to do to get in this door?
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: Like I'm excellent, I'm not good because you can't be good.
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: Good is not enough. You got to be excellent. You
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: can't be as good as the man. You gotta be
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: noticeably better to get the same opportunity and then not
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: get paid the same.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: That's another that's another topic.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Well, that definitely something that we have to speak about.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Let's jump into that. So equal pay is a very
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: big topic, not only in sports but all over. But
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: sports has been highlighted, I believe when the US soccer
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: team won the gold medal again all the men's team
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: didn't even make the qualify qualify, but the men's got
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: paid more. It's a whole thing. We can go tennis everything,
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: all right, So this is no different in the in
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: the broadcasting realized soon where we see like Stuart Scott,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: you got like ten million dollars, right, so Steve Smith,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: rec Scott, steven A Smith. But we haven't seen those
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: kind of numbers for a woman yet. So how do
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: you feel about that pay situation?
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: Well, talent is kind of is kind of an interest space,
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: like and every time I talk about equal pay on
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: social media, people always go to the WNBA and like
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: I'm not talking like why are you what is this?
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: Did somebody hurt you? Like what are you talking about
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: WNBA for? Like, w NBA players are not asking for
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: the same amount same pay as NBA players. Who told
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: you that? Stop saying that. That's not what That's not
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: what's being advocated for. Like the soccer team, that is
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: a legitimate conversation. We need to make it the same.
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: Not only we have more ratings, we're bringing in more
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: revenue and y'all not even making the World Cup. So
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: focus on yourselves, yes, like fix yourselves first. This is
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: this is These are different conversations and it's similar to talent,
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: Like this is Hollywood, it's really the entertainment business that
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: we work in. Yes, it's broadcasting. Yes, you can go
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: to school and get a degree in it. And it
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: is like a legitimate structure in some spaces to move
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: up like producers and you know, kind of behind the scenes.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: But when you're talking about talent, it can we can
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: be a wide range of what people are getting paid,
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: men and women. And when you have leverage, when you
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: have audiences, that changes things. And that's for anything that's
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: for entertainment shows, is for you know, homely modeling shows,
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: like there is no real structure like this person makes
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: this much when they hit this, So it gets kind
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: of nuanced when it comes to like you know, see
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: what Steven as making or what Skip is making, Like
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: you know, there's a lot that goes into those contract negotiations.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: Part of it, to me, why there's not women making
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: that kind of money is because women don't get put
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: in those those roles and those shows in.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: The first place, right, we don't have the opportunity.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So Jamelle is obviously a great example of that.
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: And Jammel's done great for herself. She's one of the
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: very few women that I've ever been in that I
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: mean I used to watch her show and be like,
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: that's what I'm trying to do. Like she has her
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: own show with Michael and she gives her opinion every
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: day and she's on every single she's doing a daily show,
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: and like that's her show. She's not asking people questions,
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: she's not in a role, and that is like the
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: next shift to me. And it is happen like there
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: are more women getting opportunities, but like, you don't have
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: women in those seats, So how could women make that
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: kind of money if they're not in those seats to
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: begin with?
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, carry it as well at the charriage. Yet she's
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: actually on a black effect.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Shout we did a commercial for her.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's We're on the same team, so shout shot.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this. Let's get into this conversation.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: As far as sports, right, it's just I'm pretty sure
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: there's numbers to back this up, but definitely by the
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: eye test, growing up, sports was everything, Like sports figures
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: were like demi gods. Everybody loved basketball, football and all that.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I feel like the enthusiasm for sports has died down
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: tremendously during the pandemic. And I don't know, I just
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: feel like you just on social media. I don't see
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: the same enthusiasm for the general public has for sports.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: You're in the sports world. How do you feel about that?
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: I disagree. I think I think the admiration may for
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: athletes has changed a little bit, But I don't think
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: that has anything to do with people's desire to watch sports.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: I think that is access. So I guess it's like
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: two different things. So as far as athletes go, we
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: just live in a different world. Like you can tweet,
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: you can cameo, you can Instagram live. We feel like
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: we have closeness to people that used to be to
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: your point, demigods, Like you didn't used to be able
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: to reach Michael Jackson right, Like you didn't used to
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: be able to go hang out with Diana Ross, Like
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: these were untouchable superstars, next level gods. Really, like you're
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: not gonna run into Madonna right now. You feel like
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: you kind of like everybody kind of feel like they
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: know Lebron a little bit. Like you're on Instagram Live,
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: like you got an Instagram page. Yeah, Like we feel
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: like we're apart, like we can see them more. It's
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: not like, oh, you're not in front of your television
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: at this particular moment, at this particular time, and then
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: maybe you can see Michael Jordan. That doesn't exist anymore.
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: You have so much access, so I think there's so
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: many other ways to get famous, right, you can be
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: on YouTube.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: That's what not to cut you off. But that's what
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: I was like kind of hitting that because I feel
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: like this is my personal thesis. NBA players, there's like
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: twenty four players that matter the All Stars, probably even
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: less than that. NFL there's like two players that matter.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: No.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: But when I say matter, I mean like walking down
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Melrose like they're not going to know who the two
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: the linebackers.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: That's like the is. But I think that that is
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: a reflection of like the society that we live in,
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: the access to people have. There's so much content you
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: have access to, so that I think has to your
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: I understand your point there that I would agree with,
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: But I don't think that's because people care about sports less.
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: I think it's because people a think that they're kind
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: of famous.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Well YouTubers and yeah, they become more famous Tom.
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's just more, there's more to pay attention to,
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: Like for us, you know, I'm recording Michael Jordan's games
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: and rewatching them even though I already know what happened.
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: You know, that's like you have so much access to
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: stuff now and information and content, so that I think
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: is just a little bit more watered down. Yeah, I
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: don't think we will Like Lebron Box on the street.
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: He's gonna have a crowd.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Lebron's kyrie kad.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: But back in the day, like anybody, anybody the Celtics.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Now it's like, okay, he played for the Celtics too.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: You know my two.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know who is it, Tom Brady, Odell Beckham
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: and Tom Brady.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: As far when I say mad, in no disrespect, we
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: got a lot of support in the NFL. I love
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: all my guys in the NFL. When I'm just saying,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: as far as recognizable super stopping shutting down Times Square,
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: tom Brady might not shut down Times Square. I'm be
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: honest with you. He might get they might not recognize.
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think Patrick Mahomes will have a little.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Crowd Patrick Mahomes shout.
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: I think I actually think like Juju Jujus ms.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Schuster, it's gonna be tough for Juju to shut down
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: to Square Games Square.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Are you man? Yeah, of course Georgio has that game
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: in though.
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: He's that game like other other scenes too.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: But I know just exactly.
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: I think that's just a reflection of society. I think
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: it's people because to my point earlier, sports and politics
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: are the last live things. That's it. Like I recorded
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: the Oscars the other night, Like I don't need to
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: watch that live. You don't have to be in front
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: of your television to watch really anything doing Netflix, YouTube,
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: Like there's just everything is on demand. So if you
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: want to if you want to know what happened, you
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: have to watch sports right then and there, Like you're
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: not going to rewatch a game, you know when you
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: already know the outcome to it. You want to know
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: who the president is going to be, you got to
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: watch the presidential coverage to find out what's happening. So
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: there's very few things, there's very few content items that
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: are live anymore. And sports gambling is about to be
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: legal everywhere, so that that's a game changer entirely, Like
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: that's a whole new level of money coming into the industry,
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: jobs and eyeballs from people who weren't necessarily gambling before.
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: On sports. Who will start because it's going to be
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: very accessible.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Let's get let's get into that conversation.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Here's something that that with Well, I wanted to because
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: we talked about some of the disadvantages that your face.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Are there advantages of being a woman in sports?
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: Well, I think being a woman is an advantage in
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: all areas of life because I love being a woman.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: But it's smarter and more productive than men.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: Well, I love I'm not a man. Hey, I love men,
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: but I will say, you know, women, I literally just
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: had this conversation conversation yesterday. At least for me, I'm like,
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: I look at things from a different perspective. I played,
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: I ran track in college. I've seen my brother go
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: through every level, high school, college, not making you know,
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: not going to college and getting money under the table
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: from a big school like going to Akron, and then
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: you know, third round, having to earn a spot on
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: the roster with the Dolphins, then getting traded and getting cut,
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: and then the Hall of Fame. So I look at
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: everything from a kind of maybe more personal space than
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: the average man who's just reporting on sports, because sometimes
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: we can talk about what's happening in sports from a
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: very callous place. Like it's just like they're just items
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: that are being moved around. So and so got traded, okay,
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: Like it's like okay, but when someone gets traded, their
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: whole family has to move. So their wife's got to
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: stay behind, pack up the house, go find another place
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: to live and bring their kids, and they got to
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: move there, and like no one's you're getting paid well, right,
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: So it's like a crimea river okay, But that's still
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: a personal element to it, like you still have to
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: find your new way to work, like your routine is
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: completely changed. So there's just like when I talk about sports,
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: when I look at stories, I try to look at
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: them from very personal space. And then when we're talking
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: about even you know, more serious things in sports, I
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: try to be more measured and not reactive. I think
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: the you know, there's this thought that women are like
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: hysterical and like we don't we just like freak out
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: that like we're all emotional, but in fact, women don't
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: do that, Like we're very calculated and not like in
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: a maniacal way, but like we just have to be
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: because we know the consequences of like doing certain things
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: without thinking. And that's just how we have to like
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: I have to be aware all the time, like even
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: just walking down the street, Like I can't just walk
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: down the street and be on my phone like messing
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: around whatever, Like I gotta be always paying attention. I
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: walk to my car, gotta watch and make sure nobody's around,
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: Like I gotta get my car real quick, shut the door.
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: Like that's just women just are always on operating at
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: a higher frequency. Not because we're like smarter than men,
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: but once we have to be like that's that is
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: a survival mechanism that we have to have. Yeah, so
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: I think like from that perspective, I look at that
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: as an advantage. And then you know men, you guys
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: are visual creatures, so it helps visual creatures.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Although I know, yes, what does that mean?
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm pretty so it helps you know, Okay, Although
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: lately everyone's been telling me that, I like, the pandemic
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: didn't do me any favors. But it's fine.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: We didn't say that. No no, we never said that.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: No no, no no no.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: But that's that's an issue.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: It's too right image self image, Like is that I mean,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: do you feel like obviously men and women are not
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: gonna be critiqued the same.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Is that added pressure every day?
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, I mean, and it's not something that
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: is a requirement. I think a lot of people feel like, oh,
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: like I have to look a certain way or you know,
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: I have to be sexy or something to like be
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: in the business. Like you definitely don't at all, and
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: in some ways, well I don't want to say it
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: helps not to be, but like, you know, I get
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: met with like I'm not legitimate because of the way
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: I look, or like I only have my job because
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: of the way I look, which to me, I'm like,
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: that's just silly. There's whole supermodels, Like there are actual
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: supermodels walking the earth.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Doing this.
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like I mean, and this is just I was
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: an amazing business woman. But like if it was just
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: about looks, why wouldn't they just hire models to do
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: my job? Like why what am I up there for
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: if that's the case. So like it just doesn't make sense.
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: But you know, it's just there's different elements to it. Yes,
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: I get critiqued about what I look like every day,
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: all day every day. If my hair is not looking good,
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: somebody gonna let me know if I'm looking a little fluffy,
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: that day, someone gonna let me know if my shoulders
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: are out too much, someone gonna let me know. Like
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: it's it's very much a visual aspect of it as well,
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: and sometimes it benefits you and sometimes it definitely knows
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: not because some people don't take you seriously. I like, thanks, well,
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: you know it's you. I keep telling calm, like, you
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: know you're all going on the natural journey with me.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: Is that what's going?
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: There?
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: You have it? Nothing controversial.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I say it all the time.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: That is a fact. That is a fact. Let me
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: ask you this. As far as the political conversation, so
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: we see athletes taking a stance with Lebron and d
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Wade and shout out to all those guys, and it's
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: you know, always been a big thing Colin Kaepernick, the
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: need NFL. And we see that some sports commentators Jamel
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: Hill went into that realm and she lost her job
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: because of it. Stephen A. Smith said that she shouldn't
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: have said that because she's an employee of ESPN and
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: you have to conduct yourself a certain way. But I mean,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: Lebron is a technically and employee of the Lakers, and
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: he doesn't necessarily have to conduct himself a certain way
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: by saying something. So do you feel like, what's your
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: stance on that? For sport's commentators, do you feel like
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: they have a voice they should have a voice, or
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: how do you feel about that.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: I think whatever you're passionate about, you should do so.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: I don't think you should get involved in things that
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: you don't really have an opinion about just because everyone
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: is talking about it, especially on you know, we're talking
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: about social justice and politics like these are very serious
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: issues that are life and death, you know, the vaccine,
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: like the these are things that are really affecting people's lives.
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: And so I think anything that you talk about you
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: should be researched in. And that is something I like
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: very much believe in. I don't I don't go for
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: affirmation news like I believe in real actual research. I'm
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: not going to somewhere that's just gonna tell me like
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: I feel a certain way. Let me go read this, Okay,
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: Now I feel better because that's what I thought anyway.
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: All right, Well there's people who don't agree, so what
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: are they saying? And then come to your own conclusion.
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: But most people just get their their news off of memes.
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: These days, which is dangerous because that's not that's not news.
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: That is a sticker. Like you got to figure out
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: what it is that your opinion about things are. And
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: when you're say in a position like me or Jamel
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: or Shannon or Skip or call On or any of us,
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: we have massive platforms, and I think you have a responsibility,
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: if you believe in that, to talk about it.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: All right. So you know, I watched these shows and
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of guys have characters that
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: they I don't want to say play, I don't want
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: to like to mean them, but you know, it's like
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: kind of like acting well. I don't feel like Skip
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: is really that big of a Lebron Haye. I feel
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: like he's intelligent enough to know Lebron Lebron is the
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: ability got of this situation and stop, don't do that.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: He's a Micah don't.
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he does not think that Lebron's definitely.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: He's a go No, he don't.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: He only believes in one go. It's not a multi
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: goat multi. That's Michael Jordans. He genuinely believes that.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: And he wears the Kicks too.
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: He loves Dallas Cowboys.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: But I still feel like he's not that big of
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: a of a hater. He's kind of a hater, let's
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: just be No, that's a fact, Shannon. I'm not necessarily short.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: If he actually smokes black and mouths and drinks Tennessee,
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe he does, he does, Maybe he does,
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Maybe he does it. Barkley even got talking about Barkley,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: So have you ever do you think that this is
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: something that you have to do to reach like the
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: highest level of success in that field. And if so,
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: have you ever thought about taking on an alter ego character.
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: No, I don't think that you have to be a
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: character to reach the highest level. I do. You have
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: to be a personality. And I get that fans who
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: watch the shows, people that watch the show can sometimes
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: kind of feel like, you know, it's a little over
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: the top or you know, that's not really who they are.
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: But there's also there's some brand recognition that has value
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: in that, like you know, and this happens all the time,
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: and this wasn't something that Colin manufactured. Like Colin had
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: his opinion about Baker Mayfield before the draft and then
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: Baker and him have gone back and forth on Twitter.
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: Now anytime anything happens with Baker rushed people to come
• 56:32
  Speaker 6: watch the show to see what Colin's gonna say about Baker.
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: And then like when Colin says something, everybody rushes the
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: Baker to see. So it's like and that wasn't manufactured,
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: that just happened organically, organically, So there is a value
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: in Colin has his opinion about Baker. Colin loves Seahawks
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: and Russell Wilson, like Colin's kind of opinionated about Aaron Rodgers.
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: He loves Tom Brady, like Skip loves the Cowboys. You
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: know he's gonna be talking about the Cowboys, you cowboys fan,
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: or if you hate the Cowboys, you know you're gonna
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: want to hear what he has to say about that.
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: Shannon loves Lebron. You know he's gonna come in with
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: his goat mask the day after he you know, has
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: a big game. So there's it's not so much about
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: characters in the sense of like WWE or something like that,
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: where like you're constantly living your life as this alter ego.
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: It's more about a brand. So for me, like I
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: don't I've never really I don't like can't I can't
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: play a character. I can't. I don't have the like
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: the function of being consistently fake, so it would just
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: would not work, like I can't, I don't. I don't
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: operate well in that space, so I would forget. I'd
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: be like what did I say yesterday? So I'm just
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: kind of me, but I have you have to dial
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: up certain things like the camera, as you guys know,
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: because you do this, the camera sucks a little energy
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: out of out of who you are and what you
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: do and what you say. Like if you you can
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: tell when somebody hasn't been on camera, they're like and
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: they think they're like talking normal, but you're like, bro,
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: you gotta lift it up a little bit, you know.
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: So there is some of that to it, you know,
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: us a television show. So there I'm not gonna sit
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: here and say, like you don't turn it up a
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: little bit when lights come on, you have to or
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: it's gonna look like you don't even want to be there.
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: But there's you know, there's elements to it. Like there's
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: been times I've told I've been told to like dial
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: it back and be like less of myself.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: Less of yourself.
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like I'd like to say you can just be
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: yourself all the time, but it doesn't you know, it
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: doesn't always work out like that.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: When somebody told you to be less of yourself? What
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: did you what did you say?
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, I was mad about it. I'm gonna put
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: it in a book one day. But because for me,
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: I felt like, you know, it was more of like
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: you need to fit in that, you need to play
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: this role and like fit into this box, like you
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: need to kind of pretend to be a square. And
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, like I'm going to do that, but
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: there better be some benefits to me being a square.
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: And then it turned out there weren't any benefits to
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: me being a square, and I'm like, hold up, was
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: like that isn't even who I am. And now it's
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: kind of like people were people looking at me funny,
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: hold like I'm the only real in this place, like here,
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: what is happening? So you know I was it was
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: not It didn't sit well with me, but you know
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: it's you work for coporate companies sometimes, you know, especially
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: as women, they don't want you to really be like
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: edgy or out there, and whereas the men it's like,
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: man like, do whatever you want you know, there's there's
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: an expectation that you're supposed to like behave a certain way,
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: and like, now I'm at the point, partly because I'm
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: at a point in my career where I feel like
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: I can do it. I guess we'll find out I
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: can't handlenes. Once in college and I was like, this
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: is not this is not my liquor, Hennessy and rum.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: We're going to stay away from those. But now I'm like,
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: you know what I'm not. I'm gonna do me like,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna be as authentic to me whatever it is.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: People like it if they don't like it. I feel
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: a responsibility to, like the next generation of women coming
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: up in this business, to not encourage them to like
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: compromise really what they want who they are to fit
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: into a box, because the more we go into the box,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: the more they want that box to exist.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: So being authentically you, I'm glad you said that because
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: earlier you said if I try to venture out, they
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: might think, oh, I don't really love sports. Everybody at
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: this point you know that you love sports. Do you
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: see yourself venturing into other industries? You said you hosted
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: the Oscars this past week, are the other things that
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: you want to explore.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: No, I did not host segment watch I love the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: host Oscar. The Oscars need a host. No, I mean,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: I definitely I love entertainment. I love culture. As part
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: of the you know, our podcast, so we talk about
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: movies and shows, watching what's going on in social media
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: and music. So you know, I have lots of other interests,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: just like everybody else. I would. I'm not like on
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: Skip's level. You know, Skip really just watched the sports
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: all day long, like that's that's it. Like maybe one
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: episode of Jeopardy with Ernestein, but like he is a
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: literal like sports addict, like that's his whole life and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: it shows him what he does. But you know, I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: really just want to be able to get to a
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: space where I can talk about what it is that
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: moves me. So obviously sports is always going to be
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: a part of my life and what I do for
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: a living. But I feel like I'm the at my
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: best when it's whatever comes naturally, Like if we're talking
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: about you know, Falcon in the winter Soldier and the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: next we're talking about the draft tomorrow. Like sports and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: culture have such a connection anyway, And now we're seeing
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: it even more. I think because of social media and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: athletes being involved in different things that that's that's where
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: you know, eventually I want to I want to get
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: to but yeah, I definitely have other interests outside of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 6: sports too.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: One last question before we wrap the sports gambling situation.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: You had mentioned it earlier. Yeah, it is coming. It's
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: not it can't be stopped. Uh, the raids are in
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Vegas now, and this is something that has always been
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: an issue for sports Pete Rose, he was, you know,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: still they got they got to make that right at
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: some point. Free please, So how do you feel about
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: sports gambling? How will it affect the sports industry, the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: sports world, players, all of that, because it seems like
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: sports leagues are still scared of it, but they're embracing
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: it because it's just kind of it's going to happen regardless.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: So like it or not.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean it's it's it's legal federally now.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: So it's just it's moving state by state how they're
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: going to regulate it and make it accessible to people,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: but it's it's going to be legal everywhere eventually in
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: the next couple of years. I think about half the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: states now have already legalized it, so yeah, I mean
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: it's a it's a major game changer. I mean, I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: don't know about you guys, but like, I definitely gamble
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: on sports.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: He's I don't, but he's one of these FanDuel I was.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: I was, I got too addicted and I realized it
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: was too much and there's no disrespect. The moment it
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: hit me was I think it was like mid May
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: and there was like two playoff games.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet on those already, and then.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: I started picking like the WS and I was like,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: I never even watched the WM. I'm just picking players.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: You're just doing it a game.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just doing responsible.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: If you have a problem, contact somebody for real.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: For real.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: I don't want people out here betting their mortgages, losing
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: their families. It was a good decision by you.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: No be responsible, but yes, like that, And that's part
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: of that is why leagues have been so resistant to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: because it hasn't really been It's not legal, you know,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 6: so how do you lean into it When it's not legal?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: You can be you know, influencing people to go to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: bookies and stuff.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: It's funny though, because it's not.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: It wasn't legal, but every game you watch on the
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: ticker it's DraftKings or it's fan duel, and it's put everywhere.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: Well recently now yes, so recently yes, but for years
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: and years, Yeah, they didn't want and they didn't want
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: you know players. How Al would be notorious for that
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: Musburger talking about the you know, the spread and you know,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: we know it was gonna be a lot of people
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: happy if this field goal goes in, like you know,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: they're always kind of under the tone about it. Yeah,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: but it's just something. It's the future, and it's gonna
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: be everywhere, and it brings in a ton of money
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: into the business. It's great for the business. It just
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: means more jobs, more content. As far as the players go,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: it doesn't really change anything for the players because players
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: have never been able to gamble on sports, so it's
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: not it's never been legal for players to gamble even
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: on other sports.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: But no, Floyd gamble's on his fights. He's done that before.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: Well, boxing is a little different. They're they're in their
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: own category. If you were, if you're working with the league.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: You can't gamble on sports like publicly, like you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: I mean maybe you do some you know, on the low,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: but you can't. You're not supposed to do that. And
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: Pete Rose is a unique situation because he was throwing
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: his own games, like he was involved in his own games, Like,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 6: you definitely can't do that unless it's Blue Chips.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Blue Chips. That was a great movie. Shock. Yeah, the type,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: the type what did you do?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: It's not gonna be that. It's it's definitely the future though,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: Like to your point, the Raiders are in Vegas now
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: and that was a big deal because they were like,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: you can never put a team in Vegas because you know,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: players are gonna gamble like players gamble on like Pars
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: to Vegas time. But as far as gambling on sports, like,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: it's not it's no more uh to me, it's no
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: more temptation, Like you could gamble on sports anywhere. You were,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: so like, why is Vegas gonna be more to influence
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  Speaker 6: to gamble on sports? Because there's sports books there, like
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  Speaker 6: and you're going to see a player walking into a
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  Speaker 6: sportsbook and putting a bet down, Like that's not somebody
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  Speaker 6: you che have on your team. It's not very smart.
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  Speaker 6: So it's a great thing for the industry. It's definitely
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  Speaker 6: a game changer. It's gonna bring in a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: We said that, especially with the pandemic hit in a
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  Speaker 3: lot of these states, they have to raise revenue.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of ways.
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  Speaker 3: You can raise taxes, which is going to be tough
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  Speaker 3: because youve got to vote, or you could legal sports.
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  Speaker 6: And people were gambling on sports anyway. Like obviously it's
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  Speaker 6: going to give more people access to gamble on sports.
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  Speaker 6: But it's not like this is new, like they're just
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  Speaker 6: inventing gambling on sports. Like we were putting money on
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  Speaker 6: games for many, many, many, many many years. It's just
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  Speaker 6: then now it's digital, so it's going to be more accessible.
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  Speaker 6: They're going to be more sports books and more casinos,
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  Speaker 6: so that's going to change things. But overall, it's going
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  Speaker 6: to be good for good for the leagues, and it's
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  Speaker 6: going to be good for the business, for our business,
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  Speaker 6: for the content business, because there's just going to be
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  Speaker 6: so much more money coming in.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a few shows that are about to
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  Speaker 6: Trackings and Levatar fifty million, yes yesterday. It's it's a
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  Speaker 6: it's a big, big deal for the business.
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