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CultXCosmic: PROGRAMMED TO KILL PT. 5 · Cosmic Peach

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Speaker 1: the fucking show. It's Programmed to Kill Part five. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this one because we are gonna
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Speaker 1: go over a case today that I had previously never
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Speaker 1: fucking go, right, we are going to be diving into
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Speaker 1: the case of Carrie Stainer today because it fucking stands out. Okay,
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Speaker 1: it's one of the most bizarre serial killer cases on record.
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Speaker 1: So the crimes that were ultimately attributed to Carrie Stainer
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Speaker 1: were not committed until the early months of nineteen ninety nine.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, the high strangeness of the Stainer
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Speaker 1: family began long before that. Exactly how long before is
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Speaker 1: not entirely clear, but a friend of Carrie's told Esquire
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Speaker 1: magazine quote there's just something, you know, off with that
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Speaker 1: whole family end quote. And since as far back as
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, there has been some serious weirdness going
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Speaker 1: on in the Stainer house. Okay, Now, on December fourth
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Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy two, Carrie's younger brother, Steven was supposedly
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Speaker 1: abducted by a male pedophile working with an accomplice who
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Speaker 1: held him as a sex slave for more than seven
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Speaker 1: fucking years. Who was his abductor a shit dick named
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Speaker 1: Ken Parnell. Now let me show you something, Okay. Ken
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Speaker 1: Parnell was a Texas native who is said to have
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Speaker 1: been extremely self destructive. He had completely fucked his own
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Speaker 1: eyes up by purposely staring into a bright light, literally
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Speaker 1: did it to himself, attempted to pull his own teeth out.
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Speaker 1: He set numerous fires, attempted suicide on a number of occasions,
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Speaker 1: and got up from the toilet even though there was
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Speaker 1: still evident color on the paper. Okay, madness, I'm speculating
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Speaker 1: on that last one, but I mean he seems like
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Speaker 1: the type you know, shitty ass. So anyways, he had
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Speaker 1: also not surprisingly spent a fair amount of time institutionalized
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Speaker 1: in both prisons and mental hospitals, including spending much of
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Speaker 1: his teen years in California juvenile lockups, and Steve even
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Speaker 1: Stayner was definitely not his first victim. Parnell had previously
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Speaker 1: been convicted in nineteen fifty one of kidnapping and sexually
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Speaker 1: assaulting an eight year old boy, but he was back
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Speaker 1: on the streets by nineteen fifty five, but then incarcerated
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Speaker 1: again before year's end for a parole violation. He was
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Speaker 1: soon released again, only to be convicted of armed robbery
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Speaker 1: a few years later. Now for that crime he served
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Speaker 1: some seven years. But five years after his release from
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Speaker 1: that prison term, Parnell abducted Stephen Stayner, and it was
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Speaker 1: not by chance. Parnell literally admitted to his accompliced Irvin
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Speaker 1: Murphy that Stephen Stainer had been selected prior to the
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Speaker 1: time of his kidnapping. Sounds a lot like Johnny gosh Right.
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Speaker 1: And following the abduction, Parnell and Stayner lived for a
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Speaker 1: time in Yosemite, where Parnell worked at the Yosemite Lodge,
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Speaker 1: which happened to be located just a few hundred yards
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Speaker 1: from get this shit, Carrie Stayner and Steven Stainer's fucking grandfather,
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Speaker 1: who was universally described as an exceptionally cruel man who
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Speaker 1: also didn't wipe thoroughly if I'm just speculated, But anyways, so,
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Speaker 1: following their little state in Yosemite, Parnell and Stephen Stayner
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Speaker 1: moved to Santa Rosa and then to Ukayah, from where
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Speaker 1: Jim Jones People's temple had recently departed for San Francisco
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Speaker 1: and where Michael Louquina would later be accused of child
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Speaker 1: exploitation coincidence, I think not? Then? All Right? In February
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty Stainer escaped from fucking Parnell, which is to
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Speaker 1: say that he broke free to some extent from Parnell's
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Speaker 1: psychological control, because there was nothing that physically prevented him
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Speaker 1: from escaping at any time. Right, But, like I always say,
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Speaker 1: psychological control is the most dangerous game. Steven Stainer could
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Speaker 1: have anytime drove a screwdriver up this guy's stick hole
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Speaker 1: and fucking made a run for it, But he didn't.
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Speaker 1: Why is that because he had fucking Stockholms. He was
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Speaker 1: fucking under the psychological control of Parnell. But so, what
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Speaker 1: then did it for him? How did he find the
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Speaker 1: motivation to break through the psychological conditioning to make a
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Speaker 1: run for it? What was the last straw while it
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Speaker 1: was prompted by his desire to save the life of
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Speaker 1: a little five year old boy named Timmy White from
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Speaker 1: the fate that awaited him? And what did Stephen Stainer do? Well,
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Speaker 1: he got Timmy White, brought him along with him on
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Speaker 1: his escape and became something of a hero in the process.
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Speaker 1: And Stephen returned to his family home, even though it
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Speaker 1: came out later that he was said to feel closer
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Speaker 1: to the man who had sexually assaulted him for seven
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Speaker 1: years than to his own fucking estrange family. Literally, you guys,
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Speaker 1: this is the fucking Stockholm syndrome. And so he returns
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Speaker 1: to his family home and YadA, YadA, YadA, he is
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Speaker 1: set free from Parnell. But what else is crazy is
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Speaker 1: that the Stainer family never talked about this ordeal with
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Speaker 1: Stephen like ever. It's fucking weird. Even Carrie Stainer's friend said, quote,
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Speaker 1: it was like it never happened, Like he was never
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Speaker 1: kidnapped or anything. End quote. And on fucking top of that,
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Speaker 1: the Stainer parents wouldn't even allow Stephen to get fucking
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Speaker 1: therapy to help deal with this shattered life that he's had.
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Speaker 1: And by the age of sixteen, he had dropped out
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Speaker 1: of high school and moved out on his own, and
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Speaker 1: you know, God bless, he's probably somewhere fucked up. And
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Speaker 1: you know, seven years abducted by a dude getting sexually assaulted,
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Speaker 1: his family just buried it under the rug, never talked
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Speaker 1: about it and never got him therapy, never got him help, nothing.
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Speaker 1: But you know, drops out of high school, moves out.
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Speaker 1: He's on his own now. But what of Parnell. So
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Speaker 1: as for Parnell, this fucking master, manipulator, child, raping, piece
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Speaker 1: of garbage, shit, dumpster ass motherfucker. He was charged with
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Speaker 1: the kidnapping and false imprisonment of both stain Or and
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Speaker 1: Timmy White, as well as with sexual molestation of Stephen,
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Speaker 1: and investigators on the case also discovered that Parnell had
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Speaker 1: also molested a number of Stephen Stainer's friends. I thought
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Speaker 1: he was abducted. How did he have friends? Well, Stephen
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Speaker 1: Stainer attended school under a name given to him by
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Speaker 1: Parnell and outwardly lived a normal life with his father
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Speaker 1: quote unquote. So he was literally living life with Parnell,
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Speaker 1: had a different name, was going to school, bringing friends home,
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Speaker 1: and Parnell was raping those kids too. And get this shit,
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Speaker 1: Just like the fucking Franklin case, one of Stephen's friends
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Speaker 1: actually served as Parnell's as in the Timmy White abduction.
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Speaker 1: Fucking lured him in, just like Paul Banasi said he
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Speaker 1: used to do. Lure boys in for the ring, just
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Speaker 1: like what he said he did with Johnny Gosh. Fucking
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Speaker 1: this is so crazy. This is absolutely crazy. And now
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Speaker 1: here's a side tangent. Did any of you see the
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Speaker 1: movie The Changeling with Angelina Joee? It fucking perfectly describes
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Speaker 1: the Stephen Stainer case, right. The dude abducted little boys
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Speaker 1: and used them to lure in other little boys to
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Speaker 1: rape and murder, kept them in a fucking chicken coop
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Speaker 1: on a farm. Literally, dude, if you haven't seen the movie,
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Speaker 1: you need to because it's a fucking reality check if
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen one. The Change is the story of
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Speaker 1: Johnny Gosh, and it is the story of Stephen Stainer
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Speaker 1: and all these other boys that were abducted and molested.
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Speaker 1: There is so much I'm almost thinking that the fucking
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Speaker 1: Changeling b I'm pretty sure it said it was based
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Speaker 1: on a true story at the beginning of the movie,
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Speaker 1: and it's hitting even closer to home. Now, what if
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Speaker 1: The Changeling is the fucking story of this Stephen Stainer kid?
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Speaker 1: Like really? Anyways, back to the story, It was also
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Speaker 1: discovered that Parnell was fond of taking polaroid photos of
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Speaker 1: his captive sex slaves and possibly other victims as well,
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Speaker 1: and for fucking completely unexplained reasons. His bail was set
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Speaker 1: at just twenty thousand dollars, which allowed him to walk
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Speaker 1: free after posting a two thousand dollars bond. He was
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Speaker 1: tried in separate proceedings for the crimes committed against White
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Speaker 1: and Stainer, and he was convicted in both proceedings, but
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Speaker 1: he received, of course, a remarkably lenient sentence for both
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Speaker 1: of the crimes. And get this shit, Okay, for the
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Speaker 1: multitude of offenses he committed against Stephen Stainer, he received
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Speaker 1: just a twenty month sentence. Okay, imagine, all right, if
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Speaker 1: this was your kid, he did this too, twenty three months.
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Speaker 1: I've had fucking loans for longer than that. It took
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Speaker 1: me like fucking five years to pay my car off. Okay,
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Speaker 1: And this guy abducted, raped, and molested a child for
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Speaker 1: seven years and he gets to slide with a twenty
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Speaker 1: three month sentence. Let me signe tangent again to put
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Speaker 1: this into perspective. Okay, here we go. There is this
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Speaker 1: young woman, her name is Marie Robards. Okay, Marie, at
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Speaker 1: age sixteen fucking stole some baryam acetate from her high
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Speaker 1: school chemistry class, laised her father's tacos with it, I'm
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Speaker 1: not fucking kidding, gave him a lethal dose because she
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Speaker 1: was throwing a temper tantrum because he said she couldn't
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Speaker 1: get her nipples pierced or some shit like that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: whatever it was, it doesn't matter. Okay. The point is,
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Speaker 1: at sixteen, she poisoned her father to death, gave him
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Speaker 1: the last Taco Tuesday of his life, and she was
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Speaker 1: convicted of murder in a nineteen ninety five trial and
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Speaker 1: sentenced to twenty seven years in prison. Granted, she was
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Speaker 1: released on parole in two thousand and three, she still
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Speaker 1: had to serve eight years. Okay. The crazy thing is that,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, it was manslaughter because she said she
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Speaker 1: was just trying to give him a stomach ache, maybe
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Speaker 1: some milkis sprang out the ass diarrhea, but accidentally gave
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Speaker 1: him too much and he's dead as doornail. Okay, turns
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Speaker 1: out there was no proper dosing instructions on the illegally
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Speaker 1: obtained high school chemistry class baryamacetate container. All right, but anyways,
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Speaker 1: if a sixteen year old retard like Marie can get
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Speaker 1: a twenty seven year sentence and still serve eight of it.
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Speaker 1: Why are all these goddamned mongrels like Henry Lee Otis,
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Speaker 1: tool Ken Parnell getting off the goddamned hook with these
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Speaker 1: ridiculously short, if any sentence Unless there's something else at
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Speaker 1: play here, you want to know if something is suspicious,
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Speaker 1: look at the conviction sentence. Look and see. If you
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Speaker 1: want to know if some people are up to fucking
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Speaker 1: no good or have some kind of connections, look at
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Speaker 1: the prison sentence. Okay, anyways, now things were relatively quiet
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Speaker 1: in the Stayer Home for the next nine years, until
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Speaker 1: May nineteen eighty nine, when Steve was thrust back into
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Speaker 1: the limelight due to the airing of a movie about
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Speaker 1: his case entitled I Know My First Name is Stephen
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Speaker 1: quote unquote. The media's reopening of the case was actually
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Speaker 1: followed just weeks later by the untimely death of Stephen
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Speaker 1: Stainer himself, who was killed instantly when an unidentified car
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Speaker 1: turned abruptly into the path of his speeding motorcycle, and
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you know, the car and its driver promptly disappeared.
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Speaker 1: Stephen left behind a wife and two young kids, which
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Speaker 1: not only sensationalized his case but kept his fucking mouth
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Speaker 1: closed in case people started asking questions. But this life
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Speaker 1: story of Stephen Stayner sounds a lot like the movie
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Speaker 1: I want to make about the lottery Ticket, doesn't it?
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Speaker 1: No justice, barely even got a twenty three month sentence
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Speaker 1: for what he did to this kid, and no therapy,
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Speaker 1: no resolution, and then they make a movie about his life.
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Speaker 1: They get nervous, he's gonna start spouting off fucking dead
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Speaker 1: motorcycle accident, wife and kids at home, completely abandoned. This
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Speaker 1: is the world that we live in. And meanwhile, back
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Speaker 1: on the ranch, fucking Parnell was by that time already
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Speaker 1: out of prison and a freeman once again, after serving
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Speaker 1: just twenty three months for his crimes, less time than
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Speaker 1: Stephen Stainer had every even spent as his prisoner. And
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Speaker 1: the following year, Jesse stainer uncle Jesse Carrie and Stephen
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Speaker 1: Stainer's uncle, was found shot to death in his home.
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Speaker 1: This is interesting, right well. Jesse, or as he was
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Speaker 1: more commonly known Jerry, was the family member closest to
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Speaker 1: the serial killer. You remember at the beginning of this episode,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be about Steven, it is going
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Speaker 1: to be about his serial killer brother Gary. And now
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Speaker 1: let's look a little bit closer at Carrie fucking. In
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Speaker 1: his youth, Carrie spent more time at his uncle Jerry's
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Speaker 1: house than he did at his own house. Right, The
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Speaker 1: two even lived together for a brief time, and Uncle
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Speaker 1: Jesse was killed with a sh shotgun blast to the
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Speaker 1: head fired from his own gun, allegedly by an intruder
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Speaker 1: he had surprised in his house and fucking somehow. Following
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Speaker 1: the two deaths, the Stainer family again managed to stay
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Speaker 1: out of the news for nearly a decade. That is
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Speaker 1: until Carrie the Stainer son, who hadn't been held for
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Speaker 1: seven years as a mind controlled sex slave, decided for
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Speaker 1: no apparent reason to become a serial killer. That's the
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Speaker 1: official story anyways. So we have Uncle Jesse shot in
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Speaker 1: the head dead, Stephen Stainer dead after being a abuse
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Speaker 1: victim for seven years of his childhood, and now we've
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Speaker 1: got Carrie the serial killer. Let's dig in, shall we.
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Speaker 1: So In the early morning hours of February sixteenth, nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety nine, three women were allegedly abducted from their room
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Speaker 1: at the Cedar Lodge which lies just outside the westgate
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Speaker 1: to Yosemite National Park. Strangely, though there was no indication
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Speaker 1: that any abduction had actually taken place, there were damp
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Speaker 1: towels in the bathroom indicating that at least one of
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Speaker 1: the three had showered. Other than that, the room was
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Speaker 1: neat and orderly, with the beds made and the key
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Speaker 1: left out. There was no blood and no sign of
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Speaker 1: a struggle. Now, the three women were scheduled to check
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Speaker 1: out later that morning in order to catch a flight
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Speaker 1: out that day, and it looked as though the women
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Speaker 1: had simply decided to check out early in the morning
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Speaker 1: without going to the front desk. There was literally no
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Speaker 1: sign of a struggle whatsoever. Now, get this shit. This
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Speaker 1: dude named Yon's Sooned, father of Julie's and husband of
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Speaker 1: Carol Sooned, two of the three missing women, did not
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Speaker 1: even bother to report his wife and daughter missing when
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Speaker 1: they failed to depart from their scheduled flight, and also
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Speaker 1: failed to contact him with an explanation for why they
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Speaker 1: never fucking came home. Did not even bother to report
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Speaker 1: them missing. In fact, not only did Yon's not bother
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Speaker 1: to report his wife and daughter missing, it only occurred
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Speaker 1: to him to do it twenty four fucking hours later,
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Speaker 1: and only after he had played a round or two
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Speaker 1: of golf. But it makes sense, right, considering all three
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Speaker 1: of the missing women came from extremely wealthy families. The
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Speaker 1: Suns are a branch of the dynastic Carrington family, and
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Speaker 1: the third woman, Julie's UN's friend, Sylvina Palasso, was also
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Speaker 1: from a wealthy, well connected family in Argentina. So these
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Speaker 1: are some of these high level, upper echelon fucks, okay,
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Speaker 1: and their wives and daughter goes missing and they don't
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Speaker 1: even bother to report them missing. Instead, they go out
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Speaker 1: and play golf, right, And this is what they fucking do.
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Speaker 1: They will off their own family members, their own kids,
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Speaker 1: their own wife. They do not give a fuck. But
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Speaker 1: they have to say face right, they have to act
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Speaker 1: like they're this concerned husband, fucking you know. They gotta
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Speaker 1: make sure everybody knows how sad they are. Oh, my
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Speaker 1: wife and my daughter are missing as somebody how, which
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Speaker 1: is why the fucking FBI was immediately called in to
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Speaker 1: assist in what was in the beginning a simple missing
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Speaker 1: person's case. But these are these upper echelon motherfuckers, right,
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Speaker 1: So just ten days after the reported disappearances. The FBI
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Speaker 1: announced that it was bringing in two profilers, despite the
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Speaker 1: fact that there was not yet any hard evidence that
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Speaker 1: the women had even been met with foul blay. Seems
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Speaker 1: a bit extreme, right, They're calling in the fucking team
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Speaker 1: from criminal Minds over a missing person's case with the
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Speaker 1: only evidence being some damp towels on the floor of
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Speaker 1: a hotel room. Okay, they didn't even allow Johnny Gosh's
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Speaker 1: mom to file a missing children's report for like three days,
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Speaker 1: and even after that they were like, best we can
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Speaker 1: do is milk carton. Anyways, three weeks later, right, the
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Speaker 1: women's car was found, yielding the unrecognizable remains of Carol
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Speaker 1: Soon and Sylvia Palasso. Seems like they kind of anticipate
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Speaker 1: finding some mutilated corpses from the beginning, doesn't it. But
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Speaker 1: so only then did it become a homicide case. Now,
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Speaker 1: the vehicle, which was over one hundred miles from the
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Speaker 1: alleged abduction site, was thoroughly and by all appearances, quite
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Speaker 1: professionally burned to a fucking crisp, completely obliterating all forensic evidence,
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Speaker 1: and so badly where the bodies burned that it was
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Speaker 1: difficult to even determine their gender. Okay, puss slips French
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Speaker 1: fried right off, now a titt in site, I mean,
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Speaker 1: burnt to a crispy critter. And they were found in
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Speaker 1: the trunk of the car, which the FBI did not
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Speaker 1: bother to open until the day after the car was
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Speaker 1: found and identified, which is fucking odd, right, considering that
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Speaker 1: the back seat was burnt up, leaving the remains of
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Speaker 1: the bodies visible to even the hunter who discovered the
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Speaker 1: vehicle in the first place. And some fuckinghow Carol Soon's
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Speaker 1: wallet turned up in Modesto, over one hundred miles from
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Speaker 1: the abduction site. And I know what you're thinking, right, well,
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Speaker 1: what happened to Julie. Well, fucking Julie Son's nearly decapitated
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Speaker 1: body was later found at yet another location, roughly midway
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Speaker 1: between the Cedar lodge and the location of the car
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Speaker 1: and the other two bodies. How did they know where
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Speaker 1: to look for Julie if it was in this anomalous
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Speaker 1: spot in the middle of nowhere. Well, there was an
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Speaker 1: anonymous taunting letter that was sent to the FBI tipping
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Speaker 1: them off as to the whereabouts of the body. And
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Speaker 1: due to the complexities of the crime, many investigators on
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Speaker 1: the case assumed that multiple perpetrators were involved, and during
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Speaker 1: the course of the investigation, at least a dozen people
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Speaker 1: were implicated in the murders. All of them were part
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Speaker 1: of a drug trafficking network operating within that area, and
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Speaker 1: one of these was a man named Billy Joe Strange
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Speaker 1: not kidding, that was his last name, and like Carrie Stainer,
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Speaker 1: Billy Joe worked at the Cedar Lodge Okay, he was
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Speaker 1: the night clean up man at the lodge's restaurant, the
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Speaker 1: same restaurant Carrie Stainer lived above and worked in as
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Speaker 1: a handyman, which will be important later in the story. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: So this Joe Stranger's girlfriend was another suspect, and she
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Speaker 1: also worked at the lodge as a night clerk Okay.
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Speaker 1: Also implicated was a man named Darryl Stevens who occasionally
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Speaker 1: roomed with Strange and his girlfriend. Maybe he got some
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Speaker 1: strange while he was living there. Just kidding, but so.
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Speaker 1: Darryl Stevens had a lengthy arrest record, as did another
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Speaker 1: suspect whose name is Michael Larwick Okay, and Michael Larwick's
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Speaker 1: rap she included arrests for attempted manslaughter, rape, kidnapping, child stealing,
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Speaker 1: assault with a deadly weapon, not wiping to full completion,
28:46
Speaker 1: and various drug offenses. What is it with these shitty
28:49
Speaker 1: ass motherfuckers. But so, when police came to arrest Larwick,
28:56
Speaker 1: he led his would be apprehenders on a high speed
29:01
Speaker 1: chase in which one officer was shot, before barricading himself
29:06
Speaker 1: in a house and initiating a fourteen hour fucking standoff.
29:12
Speaker 1: But so he was eventually driven out with fucking tear
29:15
Speaker 1: gas and this whole fucking chaos ensued. But he was
29:21
Speaker 1: eventually brought to court for his arraignment, and oddly, the
29:27
Speaker 1: courtroom doors were locked to the press and public and
29:31
Speaker 1: nobody knows what the fuck happened in there. No one
29:34
Speaker 1: was allowed to see that shit go down. But so
29:39
Speaker 1: moving forward, another dude who doesn't fucking wipe completely. Jeff Keeney,
29:46
Speaker 1: another suspect in the women's murders, also led police officers
29:51
Speaker 1: on a car and foot chase, leaving a trail of
29:54
Speaker 1: drugs in his wake. His home was found to contain
29:59
Speaker 1: three artable meth labs you know, standard household items. And
30:05
Speaker 1: then moving on to our next suspect, Larry Utley, a
30:12
Speaker 1: convicted sex offender and an associate of Michael Larwick who
30:17
Speaker 1: was also deeply involved in the meth trade and was
30:21
Speaker 1: thought to be possibly involved in the murders as well.
30:25
Speaker 1: Now Ute Lee was also an associate of this guy
30:30
Speaker 1: named Eugene Earl Dykes, Michael Larwick's half brother, and yet
30:37
Speaker 1: another suspect. You guys, this shit goes fucking deep. All right?
30:40
Speaker 1: How many people have I just named so far that
30:43
Speaker 1: they have suspected in the deaths of these three women,
30:46
Speaker 1: all involved in the drug trade, all have fucking history
30:51
Speaker 1: of fucking records of fucking shit, right, and once in custody,
30:55
Speaker 1: fucking Eugene claimed that Michael Larwick had admitted to playing
31:01
Speaker 1: a role in the kidnapping of these ladies. He also
31:05
Speaker 1: admitted that he had received from Michael Larwick checks and
31:09
Speaker 1: jewelry that had belonged to each of the victims. And
31:15
Speaker 1: fucking a friend of Eugene's acknowledged being asked to forge
31:20
Speaker 1: identification to access fucking Carol Soon's bank account, and another
31:27
Speaker 1: friend admitted to having taken her wallet to fucking Modeste Though.
31:32
Speaker 1: All right, so the pieces of the puzzle are starting
31:36
Speaker 1: to form, right, and Eugene whose ex convict father, who
31:43
Speaker 1: was also implicated, agreed to take a polygraph test, which
31:48
Speaker 1: seemed to confirm that he was being truthful about his
31:52
Speaker 1: involvement in not only the kidnappings but also the murders
31:56
Speaker 1: of these three women, and his girlfriend admitted to investigators
32:02
Speaker 1: that Eugene had confided to her that he and another
32:07
Speaker 1: man had killed the fucking three women by slitting their throats.
32:12
Speaker 1: In the end, all Eugene himself ultimately fucking confessed first
32:18
Speaker 1: to helping transport the bodies, but then later it finally
32:23
Speaker 1: admitted to the murders themselves, and fucking he said that
32:28
Speaker 1: he had transported at least one of the bodies, which
32:31
Speaker 1: was apparent by the fact that pink fibers found on
32:35
Speaker 1: Julie's corpse, which were thought to have been from some
32:40
Speaker 1: kind of a blanket her body was wrapped in matched
32:44
Speaker 1: pink fibers recovered from a jeep used by fucking Eugene.
32:49
Speaker 1: So there's the connection, right. Not only is he admitting
32:53
Speaker 1: it out of his own mouth, now they've matched fibers
32:56
Speaker 1: from one of the corpses to fucking fibers in a
33:00
Speaker 1: jeep of eugenees. These same fibers were also found on
33:04
Speaker 1: one of Eugene's jackets, and fucking these same pink fibers
33:09
Speaker 1: were also found in Michael Larwick's corvette. Okay, and other
33:16
Speaker 1: fibers besides these little pink fibers, which appeared to come
33:20
Speaker 1: from Julie's fucking clothes, were also found in Eugene's car. Okay,
33:25
Speaker 1: And I get it right, Fucking fiber evidence is inherently problematic. Okay,
33:32
Speaker 1: It's just fibers. How do we convict someone on fibers?
33:37
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, Okay. Several several, including Ted Bundy,
33:44
Speaker 1: alleged serial killers have been convicted and even condemned to
33:49
Speaker 1: die on less substantial fiber evidence cases than the one
33:54
Speaker 1: that was assembled against this group of individuals. Okay. So yeah,
33:59
Speaker 1: the fucking fiber it means something, all right. And the
34:04
Speaker 1: incriminating fibers certainly were not the only evidence the investigators had, Okay,
34:10
Speaker 1: So don't get me twisted. It was more than just
34:12
Speaker 1: a couple of fucking fuzzies that they found. And Rachel
34:17
Speaker 1: Lou Campbell, an associate of both Eugene's and Michael Larwick,
34:24
Speaker 1: was discovered to have in her possession Carol Soon's checking
34:30
Speaker 1: account and ATM numbers, and investigators believed that she was
34:36
Speaker 1: likely the unidentified female who had called the bank twice
34:40
Speaker 1: in the last week after the disappearances. Okay, and what
34:45
Speaker 1: was she calling about, Well, she was inquiring about the
34:49
Speaker 1: status of the account. And with all of these fucking
34:53
Speaker 1: suspects in jail on other unrelated charges, and with the
34:58
Speaker 1: evidence against them continuing to mount, most investigators considered the
35:04
Speaker 1: case to be essentially solved, and it was widely anticipated
35:11
Speaker 1: that indictments would be handed down extremely soon. But then
35:19
Speaker 1: the most amazing thing happened. On July twenty first, nineteen
35:26
Speaker 1: ninety nine, a poor fuck named Joy Armstrong, who was
35:32
Speaker 1: living in Yosemite Park was beheaded in a brutal murder
35:38
Speaker 1: case that ended up bringing the triple Slangs back into
35:42
Speaker 1: the headlines. But I mean, let's be real, right, Other
35:47
Speaker 1: than geographic proximity, there was nothing actually linking the two cases.
35:55
Speaker 1: Armstrong case of the beheading with the three ladies. Yeah,
36:00
Speaker 1: they happened in remotely the same area, but there was
36:03
Speaker 1: nothing really linking those two cases together, like literally at all.
36:08
Speaker 1: She didn't come from a wealthy family, you know, she
36:12
Speaker 1: wasn't the daughter of the guy who invented toaster strudel
36:16
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Just a chick who got fucking
36:20
Speaker 1: decapitated for no apparent reason near where the aristocrats' bodies
36:26
Speaker 1: were found. Right, And I said that wrong on purpose.
36:31
Speaker 1: By the way, I know it's aristocrats, but who's got
36:34
Speaker 1: time to be fucking saying words properly? Right, It's funnier
36:38
Speaker 1: if they're aristocrats. And anyways, in this instance, there was
36:46
Speaker 1: only one victim, and she was not abducted. Okay, her
36:50
Speaker 1: body was found quickly and easily, and it wasn't even
36:54
Speaker 1: close to the same mo Right, she was decapitated. And
36:58
Speaker 1: this is where it gets into because there was allegedly
37:05
Speaker 1: at least a clear evidence trail leading to a soul assailant,
37:12
Speaker 1: happy go lucky handyman Carrie Stainer, brother of Steven Stainer rip.
37:20
Speaker 1: Just as a reminder, and here's where it gets really
37:25
Speaker 1: fucking interesting. Okay, this chick's murder was immediately declared to
37:31
Speaker 1: be connected to the aristocrats, and it's anyone's fucking guess
37:36
Speaker 1: how investigators came to that conclusion. But so on July
37:41
Speaker 1: twenty third, Carrie Stainer was questioned and then released, but
37:46
Speaker 1: almost immediately after his release, a warrant was issued for
37:50
Speaker 1: his arrest, and a man hunt ensued, fucking escalated real quick.
37:55
Speaker 1: But what's odd is Carrie Stainer made their very little effort,
38:01
Speaker 1: almost no effort actually to flee or conceal his identity,
38:07
Speaker 1: and he was arrested the next day at a fucking
38:10
Speaker 1: nudis colony by three FBI agents and two sheriff's deputies.
38:16
Speaker 1: And he then waved both his right to an attorney
38:21
Speaker 1: and to remain silent, and fucking promptly launched himself into
38:26
Speaker 1: a full on, full blown confession, a fucking confession, And
38:34
Speaker 1: reportedly he did so in a detached, emotionless voice, monitone voice.
38:43
Speaker 1: And it fucking seems peculiar, right, like he had been
38:50
Speaker 1: programmed or threatened or in any other way fucking brainwashed
38:57
Speaker 1: into doing this. Like a manchurion FUC candidate. He comes
39:01
Speaker 1: out and not only is he waving his right to
39:06
Speaker 1: remain silent and waving his right to an attorney in
39:10
Speaker 1: a what is reported as a detached, emotionless monotone voice,
39:15
Speaker 1: launched himself into a full on, full blown confession of
39:19
Speaker 1: the murders of the women and the murder of the
39:24
Speaker 1: fucking decapitated bitch right, and within a couple of days
39:27
Speaker 1: Stainer had also regurgitated his confession to a TV reporter.
39:33
Speaker 1: He literally took sole credit for all four murders, Patsy anyone,
39:41
Speaker 1: And of course, this idiot reporter, Ted Rowlins, made the
39:47
Speaker 1: fucking rounds of national news shows talking about his juicy
39:51
Speaker 1: little scoop, and practically overnight all the evidence implicating the
39:57
Speaker 1: drug trafficking ring to the murder of these aristocrats disa
40:02
Speaker 1: fucking peered, Dissa fucking peered, even though apart from his confession,
40:11
Speaker 1: there was absolutely no evidence to support Carrie Stainer's claims
40:16
Speaker 1: that he was slicing and dicing and burning bitches to
40:19
Speaker 1: a crisp up and down Yosemite, no evidence whatsoever other
40:25
Speaker 1: than the fact that he was willing to admit it.
40:28
Speaker 1: Now get this. According to his version of events, Carrie
40:32
Speaker 1: Stainer single handedly got the jump on all three women
40:37
Speaker 1: in their room, was able to bind them all with
40:40
Speaker 1: duct tape, used a gun, although no gun has ever
40:44
Speaker 1: been produced and none of the victims were shot, supposedly
40:49
Speaker 1: killed two of them in the room and left one unconscious,
40:53
Speaker 1: and then all three were carried out, one at a
40:56
Speaker 1: time and loaded into their car. But some how no
41:01
Speaker 1: one at the lodge saw or heard any of this activity.
41:07
Speaker 1: Didn't see a guy loading three bitches into a car. Nothing,
41:11
Speaker 1: but so Stayner said. He then cleaned up the hotel
41:15
Speaker 1: room in which the first two murders occurred, successfully removing
41:21
Speaker 1: all traces of a struggle my ass, And then he says,
41:26
Speaker 1: he drove for miles before stopping to kill the third victim,
41:30
Speaker 1: Julie and dump her body. He then supposedly drove many
41:35
Speaker 1: more miles to another Romo location, which happened to be
41:40
Speaker 1: very near Michael Larwick's childhood home, and abandoned the car
41:45
Speaker 1: with the other two bodies still in the trunk. Then
41:48
Speaker 1: he took a taxi back to Yosemite Valley, incurring a
41:52
Speaker 1: fair of exactly one hundred and twenty five dollars. Two
41:58
Speaker 1: days later, yeah, the story goes on, he returned to
42:02
Speaker 1: the abandoned car in an UNTI identified vehicle, and at
42:07
Speaker 1: that time he set Carol and Lisa's body a blaze.
42:13
Speaker 1: And then after that he allegedly drove to Modesto to
42:20
Speaker 1: dump Carol's billfold, which for some bizarre reason, he did
42:24
Speaker 1: not destroy with the rest of the evidence in the
42:27
Speaker 1: fucking blazing fire. Why not just toss that in if
42:33
Speaker 1: you've already set the car ablaze, this is what we're
42:36
Speaker 1: meant to believe. Make it make sense? Okay, make this
42:42
Speaker 1: make sense to me. Now. Even with this ridiculously convoluted story,
42:51
Speaker 1: authorities have not been able to explain away all of
42:55
Speaker 1: the incongruous evidence all right. For example, the fact that
43:02
Speaker 1: the taunting letter sent by the serial killer revealing the
43:07
Speaker 1: location of Julie's body was sealed with someone else's saliva.
43:13
Speaker 1: What did he do go up to someone with an
43:16
Speaker 1: envelope and say, hey, lick this? Come on? The FBI
43:21
Speaker 1: even reluctantly acknowledged that DNA test verified it wasn't his
43:26
Speaker 1: fucking saliva. But here we go. The spokesman for the
43:32
Speaker 1: bureau had an explanation. Let's hear this bullshit. Their theory
43:37
Speaker 1: was that Carrie Stainer had quote tricked an unsuspecting male
43:43
Speaker 1: end quote into supplying the eliva to seal the envelope.
43:47
Speaker 1: So basically what I said, right, They think he went
43:50
Speaker 1: up to a rando and was like, Hey, I have
43:53
Speaker 1: a cold sore, can you lick this? I don't want
43:56
Speaker 1: to accidentally give someone hand herpes when they opened the letter.
44:01
Speaker 1: I mean, make it make sense, you guys, All this
44:03
Speaker 1: evidence stacked against these other suspects that I mentioned, one
44:08
Speaker 1: right after the other in this random chit gets decapitated.
44:12
Speaker 1: He starts fucking confessing to shit, but there's absolutely no
44:16
Speaker 1: evidence to connect him to the crimes. Okay, if someone
44:21
Speaker 1: asked me, by the way, randomly asked me to lick
44:26
Speaker 1: an envelope, I tell them to get fucked. But then again,
44:29
Speaker 1: I'm a conspiracy theorist and my brain works in weird ways.
44:33
Speaker 1: I'd be scared the fucking seal would be coded in
44:36
Speaker 1: burium acetate and I'd fucking die. Fucking there goes all
44:41
Speaker 1: my taco Tuesdays. But so moving on. Fucking Carrie had
44:46
Speaker 1: initially given an alibi for the night of the murders.
44:51
Speaker 1: He said he had been visiting a female friend, and
44:56
Speaker 1: the woman in question confirmed that fact. Okay, they were
44:59
Speaker 1: probably getting freak nasty all night long. All right, little
45:03
Speaker 1: did he know he was gonna be pinned for four
45:06
Speaker 1: murders here in the upcoming future. But so, what do
45:11
Speaker 1: we do then, with the fact that the fucking evidence
45:15
Speaker 1: strongly indicates that the women were not killed that morning
45:18
Speaker 1: at the lodge, but later at an unknown location. Okay,
45:23
Speaker 1: what do we do with that fact? Okay, doesn't quite
45:26
Speaker 1: match the confession, does it. And how about the fact
45:31
Speaker 1: that a number of credible witnesses came forward, or at
45:34
Speaker 1: least attempted to come forward, to attest to the fact
45:38
Speaker 1: that the three women were very much alive long after
45:43
Speaker 1: the time they were allegedly killed. What do we do
45:46
Speaker 1: with that? Uh? And a fucking private investigator working on
45:52
Speaker 1: the case discovered credit card slips for purchases Carol made
45:57
Speaker 1: at the Yosemite Lodge after she allegedly Dissa appeared. Yosemite Lodge,
46:02
Speaker 1: by the way, was the former employer of Ken Parnell.
46:10
Speaker 1: Full circle moment, y'all, full fucking circle moment. But so
46:18
Speaker 1: Carol had signed for these purchases. And Yosemite Valley's post
46:26
Speaker 1: mistress reported selling stamps to all three women on February sixteenth,
46:34
Speaker 1: many hours after they had allegedly been kidnapped and killed.
46:39
Speaker 1: And I believe this post mistress. I believe her one
46:45
Speaker 1: hundred percent. And in Sierra Village, far away from the
46:52
Speaker 1: Cedar Lodge and very close to where Carol's car was
46:56
Speaker 1: later found at least three witnesses reported seeing the women
47:02
Speaker 1: that afternoon, and a gas station owner remembered selling them gas,
47:08
Speaker 1: and a gift shop owner remembered them stopping in her
47:11
Speaker 1: place of business as well, and not only that. Both
47:16
Speaker 1: the dude work in the gas station and the gift
47:20
Speaker 1: shop owner attempted to contact the FBI with these statements,
47:27
Speaker 1: but of course one failed to get through despite several
47:30
Speaker 1: attempts and messages left by the other, one went completely unanswered,
47:35
Speaker 1: and the bureau later very fucking reluctantly acknowledged that there
47:41
Speaker 1: were several credible sightings of the women, not just on
47:45
Speaker 1: February sixteenth, but on February seventeenth as well. So unless
47:50
Speaker 1: they're fucking ghosts, the fucking confession doesn't line up. So
47:57
Speaker 1: why barrel full steam ahead with it? I mean, when
48:03
Speaker 1: exactly the women disappeared remains a mystery, as does why
48:08
Speaker 1: the women would have changed plans without contacting friends or family.
48:14
Speaker 1: But I think we can all agree they were definitely
48:18
Speaker 1: not killed in the early morning hours of February sixteenth
48:22
Speaker 1: by Carrie fucking Stainer or anyone else. They were very
48:26
Speaker 1: much alive and had been seen out and about on
48:30
Speaker 1: the town. Okay. One witness claimed that Julie was kept
48:35
Speaker 1: alive for several days, during which time she was held
48:39
Speaker 1: in Modesto in a home some fucking wear and repeatedly raped.
48:45
Speaker 1: One witness claims this, okay, And where did this anomalous
48:49
Speaker 1: witness come from that said that Julie had been held
48:52
Speaker 1: up in a house in Modesto and repeatedly raped. Fucking
48:56
Speaker 1: here's how. The relatives of this dude that was in
49:01
Speaker 1: early April of nineteen ninety nine claimed that this drowned
49:05
Speaker 1: guy had fucking been there and witnessed all of the
49:09
Speaker 1: assaults on Julie in Modesto, which would make sense why
49:13
Speaker 1: he fucking is drowned. So there was never any question
49:20
Speaker 1: that the murder of these three women were the work
49:26
Speaker 1: of multiple assailants, not just one single dude with a
49:29
Speaker 1: cold sword. Okay, there was no fucking question that it
49:34
Speaker 1: would have taken multiple assailants to pull this shit off.
49:38
Speaker 1: And as Nick Rossi of the FBI said early on, quote,
49:43
Speaker 1: the assumption is that more than just one person is
49:47
Speaker 1: involved in quote, and James Maddick, the FBI's lead investigator
49:54
Speaker 1: on the case, added that they were quote operating under
49:59
Speaker 1: the assumption this was a very difficult crime for one
50:03
Speaker 1: person to commit end quote. But even with all that,
50:11
Speaker 1: on September six, two thousand, Carrie Stainer and his defense
50:15
Speaker 1: attorney accepted the terms of a federal plea bargain agreement
50:19
Speaker 1: that had the unmistakable stench of a fucking cover up.
50:27
Speaker 1: And Carrie Stainer professed his sole guilt in the death
50:31
Speaker 1: of that Joy Armstrong that was decapitated, and he was
50:36
Speaker 1: sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole,
50:41
Speaker 1: and fucking skirted the death sentence. Right. But get this shit,
50:46
Speaker 1: The guilty plea contained a very unusual provision. Here it
50:52
Speaker 1: is quote after the entry of judgment in this case,
50:58
Speaker 1: until his death, he Carrie Stainer will not speak to anyone,
51:06
Speaker 1: write to anyone, or communicate to anyone about the death
51:13
Speaker 1: of Joy Ruth Armstrong end quote. No one, In other words,
51:20
Speaker 1: will ever hear Carrie Stayner's side of the story. Ever,
51:27
Speaker 1: this is the fucking world we live in, folks. He
51:32
Speaker 1: uh probably didn't kill the decapitated girl, definitely didn't kill
51:36
Speaker 1: the other three, but he is sentenced to life in
51:40
Speaker 1: prison without the possibility of parole. They spared him the
51:44
Speaker 1: death sentence Henryly anyone uh otis toole but uh he
51:50
Speaker 1: probably didn't do it, but will forever go down as
51:55
Speaker 1: this fucking, raping, fucking, murdering ass motherfucker. He was literally
52:01
Speaker 1: fucking his girlfriend all night that night. Hope it was good.
52:04
Speaker 1: I hope she rocked his world, you know. I hope
52:07
Speaker 1: she spelled coconut on that dick fucking wrote him all
52:10
Speaker 1: the way home after having this happen to him. Jesus,
52:16
Speaker 1: and get this. If the available evidence in the Stainer
52:22
Speaker 1: case leaves doubts about the sole guilt of the accused,
52:27
Speaker 1: that is all the more true in the case of
52:31
Speaker 1: the infamous murderer Richard Speck, which I mentioned very briefly
52:37
Speaker 1: in our last episode. If veteran criminal investigators are puzzled
52:46
Speaker 1: as to how Stainer was able to subdue and control
52:49
Speaker 1: three women, then it would truly boggle the mind on
52:54
Speaker 1: how one man was able to single handedly subdue nine women,
53:00
Speaker 1: bind them all, and then systematically kill all of them
53:04
Speaker 1: but one. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the case of
53:10
Speaker 1: Richard Speck. Now, according to the soul survivor Cora Amurau,
53:20
Speaker 1: which I think maybe I'm seeing her last name right
53:23
Speaker 1: I don't know fucker okay. She answered the door in
53:26
Speaker 1: the early morning hours of July fourteenth, nineteen sixty six,
53:31
Speaker 1: allowing Spec entry into the house. She claimed he was
53:37
Speaker 1: brandishing a gun, though none of the victims were shot
53:41
Speaker 1: that night and no evidence was ever found indicating that
53:44
Speaker 1: a gun was used at the crime scene, and fucking
53:48
Speaker 1: authorities claimed that Spec stole the gun from a rape
53:54
Speaker 1: victim on the very day of the slaughter and then
53:59
Speaker 1: used it to quickly corral Cora and five other women
54:03
Speaker 1: in the house into a room, and fucking chaos broke out.
54:08
Speaker 1: This is what they say happened, right. He proceeded to
54:10
Speaker 1: tear a sheet into strips, which he then used to
54:15
Speaker 1: tie the women up one by one. How he was
54:19
Speaker 1: able to accomplish this while keeping all the rest at bay,
54:23
Speaker 1: the world will never fucking know. And then, on top
54:27
Speaker 1: of that, he allegedly was able to keep a knife
54:30
Speaker 1: in his hand at all times while shredding the sheet
54:33
Speaker 1: up and holding the gun and keeping the other women
54:36
Speaker 1: at bay. Again, how he fucking houdin need this and
54:40
Speaker 1: pulled it off is anyone's guess, But so the story goes.
54:47
Speaker 1: Three more women arrived home after SPEC's alleged entry into
54:52
Speaker 1: the house. All three were quickly bound and forced into
54:56
Speaker 1: the room with the others. Spec then alleged began dragging
55:01
Speaker 1: the women off, one at a time uh and slaughtering them,
55:06
Speaker 1: spending twenty minutes or more with each victim. After he
55:12
Speaker 1: finished with one, according to Colora, he would go into
55:16
Speaker 1: the bathroom, wash himself up, and then return for another.
55:21
Speaker 1: This scene played out over the course of some four
55:25
Speaker 1: and a half fucking hours. During that time, the young
55:31
Speaker 1: women waiting their turn, tried to hide under the beds,
55:36
Speaker 1: hoping to elude Richard Speck right, But of course they
55:40
Speaker 1: were found and killed, all of them, that is, except
55:44
Speaker 1: Cora Hm, who claims that she alone avoided detection by
55:51
Speaker 1: the fucking Speckle himself. He didn't know she had a
55:55
Speaker 1: fucking Harry Potter invisibility cloak. Apparently on some fucking bullshit.
56:01
Speaker 1: They say in the official narrative that Speck probably lost
56:05
Speaker 1: count of his victims and falsely concluded that all girls
56:11
Speaker 1: were dead, thereby making the crucial error of leaving behind
56:16
Speaker 1: a single living witness. But that part of the story
56:22
Speaker 1: is problematic in a number of ways. Let's think about this, Okay,
56:29
Speaker 1: The first question is why the fuck did the girls
56:34
Speaker 1: choose to stay in the fucking room they had been
56:38
Speaker 1: herded into. The minute that motherfucker turned his back, I
56:43
Speaker 1: would have been out the fucking door like a fucking crackhead.
56:48
Speaker 1: I get it. They were bound up and shit, I mean,
56:52
Speaker 1: but come the fuck on, right, they were still able
56:56
Speaker 1: to move around within the room. They clearly were, or
57:02
Speaker 1: they would not have been able to get under the beds.
57:06
Speaker 1: So then why would they not leave the room all together?
57:12
Speaker 1: And let's go a step further. Once you're out of
57:15
Speaker 1: the fucking room, why not get completely out of the house? Sah?
57:21
Speaker 1: And what was preventing the women from untying each other
57:26
Speaker 1: fucking clits? Before? Dick's right, you're supposed to help a
57:30
Speaker 1: sister out. You're supposed to untie each other and try
57:34
Speaker 1: to fucking get each other out of the house. Think
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Speaker 1: about it. Let's just say this is really the story,
57:43
Speaker 1: and this motherfucker's pattern was set early on, after the
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Speaker 1: first couple of bitches were mutilated. It had to be
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Speaker 1: abundantly clear that their lives were about to come to
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Speaker 1: an abrupt end. Right, he'd unmurdered three bitches before you
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Speaker 1: and then went in the bathroom, washed himself up, and
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Speaker 1: then came and grabbed another one. We got the battern, right,
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Speaker 1: So why not if you're able to move around? Did
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Speaker 1: you not get the fuck out of there during one
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Speaker 1: of the twenty plus minute slaying sessions. Would it have
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Speaker 1: been cool of you to untie and take a friend? Probably,
58:28
Speaker 1: But if we're being selfish, just get your own fucking
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Speaker 1: self out of there. You could probably get to a
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Speaker 1: house and call nine one one before the next girl
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Speaker 1: was even taken back. And what's this shit about speck
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Speaker 1: cleaning himself up after each killing? Give me a break.
58:54
Speaker 1: It's fucking ridiculous to suggest that Speckle could have conces
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Speaker 1: sealed the fresh blood that would have covered his clothes,
59:03
Speaker 1: absolutely covered his clothes, assuming that he didn't bring eight
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Speaker 1: changes of clothing with him, or maybe he used plastic
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Speaker 1: sheets like fucking Dexter. I don't know, but to not
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Speaker 1: have a drop of blood anywhere, not a drop of
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Speaker 1: blood killed how many bitches and not a drop of blood?
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Speaker 1: And let's be real. It also had to be clear
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Speaker 1: to the awaiting victims that the selection of each new
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Speaker 1: victim signaled that there would be a twenty to thirty
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Speaker 1: minute window of opportunity to attempt a fucking escape, Like,
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Speaker 1: come the fuck out, you'd have to be out of
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Speaker 1: your fucking medulla to sit there on the floor and
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Speaker 1: not even try to escape if you're gonna die anyways,
59:59
Speaker 1: why not, right? It's fucking inconceivable to me that these
1:00:05
Speaker 1: women facing certain death would have passively awaited their fate.
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Speaker 1: And what about the survivor's story. She avoided detection by
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Speaker 1: hiding underneath a bed. Really a full grown ass woman.
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Speaker 1: Her feet weren't sticking out, she wasn't making any breathing noises, nothing.
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Speaker 1: She or Agami folded herself up and hid under the bed,
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Speaker 1: and he just totally missed her. Fuck off, fuck off. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. What about all the other
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Speaker 1: bitches he pulled out from under the bed? Only her?
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Speaker 1: Only she survived? And does it really seem likely that
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Speaker 1: Speckle was unable to count to nine? I mean, maybe
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Speaker 1: he probably doesn't fucking wipe all the way. But let's
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Speaker 1: think about this. If not for the existence of the
1:01:02
Speaker 1: sole survivor, police investigators would have immediately assumed that multiple
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Speaker 1: perpetrators were responsible for the mass carnage. Let's be real,
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Speaker 1: but no theorizing was necessary since there was an eyewitness
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Speaker 1: on the scene to provide the unlikely sole assailant scenario
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Speaker 1: that later became the official story. Here she comes to
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Speaker 1: save the day, come on, Come On. Interestingly, though, the
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Speaker 1: composite drawing of the suspect, which was a crude two
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Speaker 1: dimensional rendering that was seriously lacking in detail, that was
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Speaker 1: released by police based on Corra's description, did not even
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Speaker 1: remotely resemble Richard Speck literally at all, looked like fucking Popeye.
1:02:05
Speaker 1: The sailor man was fucking in their murdering these bitches.
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Speaker 1: And Richard's trial hinged primarily on what Cora's eyewitness testimony
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Speaker 1: and very little else. And Cora was zealously protected, okay,
1:02:26
Speaker 1: which doesn't make sense and is honestly fucking stupid, because
1:02:31
Speaker 1: if the imprisoned Richard Speck was the fucking soul assailant
1:02:36
Speaker 1: as they want us to believe, why would Cora be
1:02:38
Speaker 1: in any danger. He's in jail, like, what's like? What?
1:02:44
Speaker 1: Why would she need witness protection and all this shit
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Speaker 1: if the man who did all this is secured in lockdown.
1:02:52
Speaker 1: Not only that, but Cora was moved to a resort
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Speaker 1: where four guards were posted around the protecting her, and
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Speaker 1: she was held there incognito for fucking months while being
1:03:09
Speaker 1: prepped and prepared extensively for the testimony that she was
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Speaker 1: to deliver. Does that make sense to you? And before
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Speaker 1: being hidden away, Cora allegedly identified the suspect in the
1:03:23
Speaker 1: most unusual manner. While Richard Speck in a hospital recovering
1:03:32
Speaker 1: from a failed suicide attempt just days after the killing,
1:03:39
Speaker 1: Cora was allegedly sent into this man's room dressed like
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Speaker 1: a nurse to get a good look at him quote unquote,
1:03:48
Speaker 1: and from this encounter she positively identified Richard Speckel as
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Speaker 1: the killer. And leaving aside the obvious fact that this
1:03:57
Speaker 1: was a brazenly illegitimate means of identifying a suspect, the
1:04:02
Speaker 1: real question here is what type of backwards ass shit
1:04:08
Speaker 1: is this? A fucking supposedly highly trained police officer sent
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Speaker 1: a supposedly severely traumatized crime victim who just days before
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Speaker 1: had witnessed the slaughter of eight of her fucking friends
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Speaker 1: and experienced the sheer terror of knowing that she would
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Speaker 1: be next. They sent this person into a room unprotected
1:04:34
Speaker 1: to face the man who had put her through that
1:04:37
Speaker 1: torture makes sense to me, right, And what victim would
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Speaker 1: be able to handle that kind of an encounter with
1:04:48
Speaker 1: the memories all so fresh? And what guarantee was there
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Speaker 1: that Speckle would not recognize his accuser, given that her
1:05:00
Speaker 1: was the first face he had seen as he entered
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Speaker 1: the house that night. Cora's fucking dramatic identification of speck
1:05:10
Speaker 1: was just a warm up exercise for what was to come.
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Speaker 1: When the time came for her to deliver her critical
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Speaker 1: testimony to a packed courtroom, she delivered a hell of
1:05:24
Speaker 1: a performance. She's literally a crisis actress. She recited an
1:05:32
Speaker 1: endlessly rehearsed version of the events of July fourteenth, and
1:05:38
Speaker 1: then when the time came to identify her suspect in court,
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Speaker 1: she played her trump card Okay. Rising from her seat
1:05:51
Speaker 1: supposedly without any prompting or rehearsal, she stepped out of
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Speaker 1: the witness box, walked casually over to where Richard speck
1:06:02
Speaker 1: sat at the defense table, stood directly in front of
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Speaker 1: him while looking him directly in the eye, and told
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Speaker 1: the court this is the man, literally cinema and of course,
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Speaker 1: Speckel was found guilty after just forty nine minutes of
1:06:21
Speaker 1: jury deliberations and sentenced to death. But just like Henryly,
1:06:31
Speaker 1: his sentence was later charged to life imprisonment and he
1:06:36
Speaker 1: died of natural causes. But anyways, before he was even
1:06:43
Speaker 1: ever arrested or formally charred with any crimes, Speck was
1:06:48
Speaker 1: already being presented to the public as a convicted mass murderer,
1:06:53
Speaker 1: and the public was hungry for a culprit to hang
1:06:56
Speaker 1: this absolutely heinous crime on. Ever mind that the motive
1:07:01
Speaker 1: claimed by the state was a robbery, which was ridiculous
1:07:07
Speaker 1: as fuck. Never mind that there were much easier ways
1:07:12
Speaker 1: to acquire twenty three dollars than by savagely murdering eight
1:07:16
Speaker 1: women with one's bare hands and then taking a shower
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Speaker 1: after each one. Never mind all of that. Will anyone
1:07:26
Speaker 1: really learn what happened in the house on that faithful night?
1:07:30
Speaker 1: Probably not. And what of Speck. He's a fucking fall
1:07:35
Speaker 1: guy who may have been involved to some extent in
1:07:38
Speaker 1: the killings, but he certainly was not the sole assailant.
1:07:45
Speaker 1: Makes you wonder why he was trying to commit suicide
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Speaker 1: just a few days after this occurred. To me, Honestly,
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Speaker 1: he might not have been in the house at all
1:07:57
Speaker 1: that night, because he had no memory of ever even
1:08:02
Speaker 1: leaving the bar he had been at drinking earlier that evening,
1:08:06
Speaker 1: but he did remember receiving an injection from a man
1:08:12
Speaker 1: he did not even know. So there's that. Fucking all
1:08:18
Speaker 1: you dudes out there at the bar, just know, the
1:08:22
Speaker 1: smiley face killer is not the only thing you have
1:08:26
Speaker 1: to fear, because they also did that same exact thing
1:08:31
Speaker 1: to Ronald d'fayo of the Amityville murders, he says he
1:08:37
Speaker 1: has absolutely no recollection of leaving the bar or shooting
1:08:41
Speaker 1: his entire family in the head that night. But here
1:08:45
Speaker 1: we are, and fucking Ed and Lorraine Warren are all
1:08:49
Speaker 1: the richer for it. If you're into the paranormal scene,
1:08:53
Speaker 1: you'll appreciate that reference. If not, maybe you should be cooler. Anyways,
1:09:00
Speaker 1: there is no question that Speck was drinking in a
1:09:04
Speaker 1: bar that night. A number of witnesses placed him there,
1:09:08
Speaker 1: and actually two of the fucking witnesses, a husband and wife,
1:09:12
Speaker 1: placed him at the bar during at least a portion
1:09:17
Speaker 1: of the time frame which the killings occurred. So nobody
1:09:21
Speaker 1: gonna bring that up. It's literally just like Carrie Stainer,
1:09:26
Speaker 1: none of this is adding up whatsoever. These witnesses were
1:09:32
Speaker 1: neither friends nor acquaintances of the accused, and they had
1:09:37
Speaker 1: no known reason to provide Speck with a false alibi,
1:09:41
Speaker 1: no skin in the game whatsoever, so why would they
1:09:45
Speaker 1: go to the links of making something like that up.
1:09:49
Speaker 1: It is possible that Richard Speck, like David Berkowitz and
1:09:53
Speaker 1: Pasani from the episode a while back, took the fall
1:10:01
Speaker 1: to protect others, which would certainly help explain the preposterously
1:10:07
Speaker 1: lax treatment of spec during his confinement, as evidenced by
1:10:13
Speaker 1: a videotape produc circa nineteen eighty eight. It depicted Speck
1:10:19
Speaker 1: snorting huge piles of cocaine and flashing rolls of money,
1:10:24
Speaker 1: not to mention sporting a rather large and quite unattractive
1:10:29
Speaker 1: pair of tits. That's right, folks, a pair of fucking tits.
1:10:37
Speaker 1: No explanation has been forthcoming as to how it was
1:10:40
Speaker 1: possible for one of America's most notorious killers, while residing
1:10:46
Speaker 1: in what is supposed to be one of the toughest
1:10:49
Speaker 1: prisons in the country, was able to obtain copious quantities
1:10:54
Speaker 1: of drugs and money, and gain access to video equipment
1:10:58
Speaker 1: and hormone replacement therapy and ascetatits fucking Richard Speck turned
1:11:05
Speaker 1: into a fucking trance all while in prison. Yep, that's right,
1:11:10
Speaker 1: you heard it on the Cosmic Peach podcast. Has anyone
1:11:15
Speaker 1: else heard about that shit? That was news to me? Honestly,
1:11:20
Speaker 1: it sounds like to me Richard Speck was rewarded in
1:11:26
Speaker 1: prison for being such a stand up guy and taking
1:11:30
Speaker 1: the fall for this ridiculously covered up mess. Because Speck
1:11:36
Speaker 1: had actually caught a number of breaks from the criminal
1:11:39
Speaker 1: justice system in the past. In Texas, just a year
1:11:43
Speaker 1: before the carnage in Chicago, he had been convicted of
1:11:46
Speaker 1: savagely attacking a girl with a knife and nearly killing her.
1:11:51
Speaker 1: And despite the seriousness of the crime, and despite having
1:11:55
Speaker 1: a lengthy police record that included forty one arrests in
1:11:59
Speaker 1: a dozen years, specser just five months. This act of
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Speaker 1: judicial leniency was attributed to a bureacratic error quote unquote.
1:12:14
Speaker 1: Kind of reminds you of someone else from our past, right,
1:12:17
Speaker 1: Henry Lee Spec caught another break in nineteen seventy two, when,
1:12:22
Speaker 1: like I mentioned earlier, his death sentence was voided by
1:12:27
Speaker 1: the US Supreme Court and was re sentenced to a
1:12:31
Speaker 1: term of four hundred to twelve hundred years with the
1:12:36
Speaker 1: possibility of parole, which was still a pretty harsh sentence
1:12:40
Speaker 1: for a man who quite likely was, as he maintained
1:12:44
Speaker 1: for over a decade, innocent. But not long after producing
1:12:49
Speaker 1: his infamous videotape of his titties, year's worth of stashed
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Speaker 1: draman cocaine and butt plugs, SPEC's Buck ran out. At
1:13:02
Speaker 1: the relatively young age of forty nine, he died in prison,
1:13:07
Speaker 1: allegedly of a heart attack. A few years later, Cora
1:13:12
Speaker 1: made a sensationalized appearance on the Oprah Winfrey Show to
1:13:17
Speaker 1: speak publicly about the killings for the first time in
1:13:22
Speaker 1: twenty seven years. Bubon ching. So there we go. That is, uh,
1:13:33
Speaker 1: just some absolutely ridiculous serial killer information for you. But
1:13:39
Speaker 1: before we wrap up, how about some fun facts? Okay,
1:13:45
Speaker 1: Just days after Richard Speck was arrested in Chicago, Charles Whitman,
1:13:52
Speaker 1: a former US Marine sharpshooter who had receive training by
1:13:57
Speaker 1: the Naval enlisted Signs Education Program and intelligence entity, ascended
1:14:06
Speaker 1: the tower at the University of Texas at Austin and
1:14:10
Speaker 1: unleashed a barrage of firepower on the unsuspecting campus. By
1:14:17
Speaker 1: the time it was over Whitman and fourteen others lay dead,
1:14:22
Speaker 1: and another thirty one victims were wounded. To ascend to
1:14:27
Speaker 1: his perch, Whitman supposedly dragged a heavy foot locker loaded
1:14:32
Speaker 1: with three rifles, three handguns, a sawd off shotgun, seven
1:14:36
Speaker 1: hundred rounds of ammunition, two knives, enough food and water
1:14:40
Speaker 1: to last for several days, gasoline, an alarm, clock, a radio,
1:14:44
Speaker 1: a compass, a hammer, a hatchet, and various other items
1:14:49
Speaker 1: up three fucking flights of stairs, unnoticed and unassisted, and
1:14:55
Speaker 1: once there, his shooting spree lasted for more than an
1:14:59
Speaker 1: hour in an half. Firing with uncanny accuracy, he picked
1:15:05
Speaker 1: off fifteen victims in the first thirty five minutes alone,
1:15:09
Speaker 1: with shots coming at various times from all four sides
1:15:14
Speaker 1: of the clock tower. So many shots were pouring out
1:15:18
Speaker 1: of the sniper's nest that many witnesses on the ground
1:15:22
Speaker 1: assumed that there were multiple gunmen. Here's the thing. The
1:15:29
Speaker 1: night before the rampage, Charles had killed his wife and
1:15:33
Speaker 1: his mother. Whitman had also left a note which read,
1:15:36
Speaker 1: in part quote, I don't quite understand what is compelling
1:15:40
Speaker 1: me to type this note. I have been to a psychiatrist,
1:15:45
Speaker 1: I have been having fears and violent impulses end quote.
1:15:50
Speaker 1: Along with the note, he reportedly left a roll of
1:15:54
Speaker 1: exposed film with instructions to develop after his death. Both
1:15:59
Speaker 1: these maps murders, one in Chicago, Illinois with Richard Speck
1:16:03
Speaker 1: and this one in Austin, Texas, took place just weeks
1:16:07
Speaker 1: after Anton Levy had formally established the Church of Satan
1:16:12
Speaker 1: and declared April thirtieth, nineteen sixty six to be the
1:16:16
Speaker 1: first day of the Age of Satan. Whitman's rampage occurred
1:16:22
Speaker 1: on August first, lamas on the occult calendar. The face
1:16:27
Speaker 1: of a particularly brutal criminal enterprise masquerading as a religion
1:16:33
Speaker 1: was beginning to emerge from the shadows, and its effect
1:16:37
Speaker 1: on American society would be profound. As The New York
1:16:41
Speaker 1: Times observed exactly thirty three years later, talking about the
1:16:46
Speaker 1: reopening of the Towers Observation Deck, Here's a quote quote
1:16:51
Speaker 1: the Whitman attack marked a new and different terror that
1:16:57
Speaker 1: anyone anywhere could be killed at random in quote, and
1:17:02
Speaker 1: as the Time stated, this new and holy manufactured threat
1:17:09
Speaker 1: quote prompted many police departments to develop the first swat teams.
1:17:15
Speaker 1: In quote, America was under siege. And with all that
1:17:22
Speaker 1: being said, to sum it up, here is a quote
1:17:26
Speaker 1: from the Son of Sam quote our goal was to
1:17:31
Speaker 1: create an atmosphere where there's lawlessness and disorder everywhere in
1:17:37
Speaker 1: quote the one of many David Berkowitz. David Berkowitz is
1:17:43
Speaker 1: not an isolated case. Richard Speck is not an isolated case. Whitman,
1:17:50
Speaker 1: Carrie Stainer, Stephen Stainer, they are not isolated cases. And
1:17:56
Speaker 1: it makes you really wonder what is going on with
1:17:59
Speaker 1: the idea in the sensationalism of the serial killer? Are
1:18:04
Speaker 1: they programmed to kill? With that being said, everyone, I
1:18:12
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this episode. It uh was really shocking
1:18:17
Speaker 1: to me to learn about some of these connections, and
1:18:20
Speaker 1: I hope to see you back next week for the
1:18:23
Speaker 1: conclusion of our Program to Kill series with Program to
1:18:28
Speaker 1: Kill Part six. Before we go, there is one very
1:18:34
Speaker 1: important vital piece of information I need you to learn
1:18:38
Speaker 1: just as soon as humanly possible. Kind seemed to face
1:18:53
Speaker 1: some through the I'm tensing her cala sleep because my
1:19:01
Speaker 1: bed dog fine. Don't nothing of a real live wire
1:19:07
Speaker 1: cycle killer. Guess you see better run one run, run
1:19:17
Speaker 1: run run cycle killer. Just see a better run, run
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Speaker 1: run run run, run roun,