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Legacy Work: Living Life with Purpose and Intention with Hemali Vora · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, hello, good morning.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: I am really feeling good this morning.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: My guest is Hamali Vora.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: She is, of all things, one of the most dear people to me in this virtual space.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: We've never actually met in person, but we've had a very wonderful friendship and sisterhood, um, writing books together.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I was just saying to Hamali before we came on, Hamali is a physical therapist working holistically.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm an occupational therapist.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I think when I met her, I realized we were so on the same path and really feeling this calling to take what we once believed as like our profession and understood it and what we were doing, and then began to apply it and shift it into something that allows people to get so much more out of life than just a career profession, particularly for therapists, for caregivers.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, Amali, thank you so much for being here.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's my pleasure.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I've had some amazing uh conversations with you, and we always need a box of tissues when we're absolutely especially the topic that we're gonna talk about.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's it can get intense and it can get and overwhelming.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_03: And so um, but thank you for this opportunity and just always great to talk to you and chat about what we both love.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: And and you'll see behind Amali if you're watching um in the replay or on the stream right now, the book Sacred Death, which I I just did a vendor fair a couple weeks ago as an author.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so I have all my books like set up like they are behind me.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, so many people walk by and like you see them look at the cover, they're drawn to it, it's beautiful, and they're like, Sacred death question mark, you know.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so um I I had a lot of conversations with people, and I said, you know what, it's it is maybe a little off-putting initially, like there's something that's triggered inside of us.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: We're not supposed to talk about that, and definitely not supposed to see it as something beautiful and sacred.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I think as I've talked to people and people have opened up and shared their experiences, it really is such a sacred and beautiful process.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I know you're an end-of-life doula, you do all kinds of healing work, um, you host the Death Cafe, which is for people to come and have open discussions.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: I just have to say, personally, having had all these discussions and had the support about a different way of approaching someone's passing has been amazing for me.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: I actually had a friend say to me yesterday, um, you know, Kelly, this is crazy.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like you did these books and then and you met these people, and then you're in this book, and you wrote about your mom.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: And like, like, it's just so crazy that that all lined up that way.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, you know, I've really learned to believe that the universe has a very specific plan for you, and the way in which things are presented are supposed to be that way.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, so for me, Sacred Death was such a gift to be an author and to be with that group of wonderful giving human beings, including yourself, but um also a tool for myself, even my own tool, like oh, self-care for caregivers.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I think I need to put that into practice for myself.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_03: And we forget that sometimes, you know, when we are um in the midst of things, we forget that, you know, we have this treasure chest, so to speak.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what these all these books behind you, that's what it is.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_03: It gives you tools that you can do these things at home.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I promise you, the all the tools, the modalities that are given, they actually work.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_03: They do.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, and of course, in Sacred Death, you have um, you know, these people, like all the authors, they've gone through um some of these um events, and and we all, right?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_03: We forget that our bodies are really mortal, and uh it is at some point um going to end.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but that's only our body, and of course, that's again your beliefs and faith, and you know what you think about it.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_03: But more and more you look at research done uh with people that are at the end stage, and they talk about different signs or they talk about different lights that they see, they talk about the loved ones that have already crossed over, that they're visiting them, and they're making sure they're telling them it's okay.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_03: They're telling them everything's gonna be okay.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: We're here, we're waiting for you, uh, we're waiting to receive you.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it's nothing to be afraid of.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and yes, this is more for uh people that are um, I mean, we know this because they have told us the story, or we've heard this.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes we feel that, you know, um, when people talk about their, oh, I saw, or they start talking about um, I saw my mom, or can you call my mom or dad?
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like this is like your elderly grandmother talking about that, you know, and you feel like, oh my god, like she's hallucinating, or something's wrong with her, or um, and sometimes we medicate them because oh, there's hallucination, or um, they're not in the right mind.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: What is happening to them?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but really they're being visited, and then there is, yes, there is the part where somebody dies suddenly in accidents and things, but yet to know that we all are supported no matter what, every given moment, in every given second.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm sure, like at this point, you realize that um when somebody is going through like you've had loss in your family, and it's recent, it's like you're so vulnerable, and you're you're in that moment of grief that you are open to signs, you're open to like they say the veil is thinner, and you're able to communicate with the loved one that has passed, or you see the signs, or you feel that tingling, or this just kind of something going through your body, like the energy going through your body, um, a tap, or you know, something that's happening on your shoulder, or something.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like because we are in that quiet space and place, we are in that vulnerability to receive whatever there is, but that can happen continuously, you know, it's you are able to connect, you are we all have the ability, that GPS system, so to speak, you know, that intuitive gift, the gut feeling, all those things.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, but you have to be in that little bit of quiet, receiving openness, and I don't know, we are going on a different direction, but I I love it though, and I think I I think what I love about that is that you know that gives kind of a picture for people who are listening, because I'm sure there's people listening who are are having the experience of losing someone or it's recent for them.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, I think we try to talk ourselves out of signs and things like that, just like you said, you know, when when someone is, you know, transitioning and and they're they're potentially seeing other people and you know, we think, oh, maybe something's wrong.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: We need to medicate them when really it's it's those signs because the veil is thin.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I believe that.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I can I can for sure feel that energy, I guess, you know.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's it's I think it's an important thing to talk more about because there are people who have probably been talking themselves out of what they thought might be happening because it's not supposed to be like that, you know, or it's not okay to to feel the the sense of a loved one near, you know.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I would say I I firmly believe that, you know, there were there were moments when my mom was sick when I was thinking that, you know, wow, you know, there's something different happening here.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know how to explain it, but I can just feel the shift.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um and we actually had a really fantastic uh palliative doctor in the hospital who sat with me and talked to me.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: And he was just this like beautiful spirit, a young, like young, probably younger than, you know, a decade or so younger than me, maybe a newer, but he was just so kind and thoughtful and um, you know, approaching the idea of hospice in the most gentle way, you know.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I appreciated that so much because he was the one who was bringing so much reality to my family, and um, and I felt a calling to listen to that versus listening to trying to continue to treat with medication um and try to, you know, get a response.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: My mom had cancer, so um, yeah, and I just I felt like that intuition, that gut feeling of this is this is what you need.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's how important it is to talk to our loved ones before a crisis occurs.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_03: To honor their wishes, to honor what their um what they're what they want.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_03: How do they want their one hour, like that their last hour to look like?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: You know, what kind of music, what what who the do they want to see?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: Uh what are some of the wishes that they want to um fulfill?
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um who do they want to speak to before?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um it is so important, and it's again, it's you know, everybody's choices and um but yeah, it it's amazing and it's is it is important to talk openly about death, dying, the process.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes the process can be longer, it can be years, months, even um and we've heard about um people talking about you know, like the doctor said, you know, this person's gonna survive only a month or so, but then they last for like two, three months or more.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um wait constantly that wait, you know, and so you don't do anything, you you halt your life and you're like you know, what is going on?
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_03: Why isn't it working?
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: And um, yeah, I see that.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_03: I I I've seen that happen and just honoring and talking about it openly, and and it it is not bad to you know, we put these words when um redeem some of these disease processes like we're battling, we're fighting, or you know, you can't give up, you can't quit, you can't um sometimes it's okay.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not like you're giving up.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: It it's time sometimes for those people.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: And we know when it is.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so as a family, it's hard to see.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: We want them to be around us, but you know, just honoring that process.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_03: I tell you, everything happens in divine timing and divine, and yeah, we try whatever we extend our lives, but is it a quality life?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: Is that what you want?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, what it is, and yes, there is and and we're here to talk about like purpose and intention and legacy, and um, you know, when I took the end of life doula class, I didn't know how I was gonna approach that.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I just you know, I did way too much, and I was like, okay, why?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I was intuitively led to that.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because you know, I I do physical therapy, um I do a lot of Reiki energy work, quantum healing, uh Akashic record reading, and then to add uh end of life to love work.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: And so, yes, I help with more of energy help, helping with transition, um, clearing energy, releasing, just having these open discussion and conversation with clients and family members, really, caregivers.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and what is so when I had heard about dignity uh dignity therapy or dignity work, and what it is is um bringing this comfort.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry, I'm gonna refer a little bit to this book.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, please do self-healing volume four, and my chapter is um chapter 20 is actually um legacy work, living with purpose, and um and so uh dignity therapy is held by Dr.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_03: Harvey Um Max.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it's really assist and relieve psychological and existential distress in patients with end of life, and really um legacy work is like a life review, so to speak, and uh a chance to see the opportunity that exists in every moment to change, to correct the wrongs, and be the love and light that we are, really, and so then my thought was why do we have to wait?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: Why do we have to wait till our end stage to review our life?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_03: And the same thing, I think, with physical therapy, my shift and change happened.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why do we wait till a crisis occurs?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like somebody has a heart attack or they have a stroke, or um, God, get me better and I will I will take care of myself after that.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: If I get better from this, I will do this.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like we then start negotiating, right?
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, why do we after we already know we have these nudges, we have these, so to speak, warning signs coming to us about our body, about our um anything that's not working out for us, relationships, where we hang on to that small string, you know?
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: And to find out, when I started doing, um I just wanted to openly talk about death.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: And death could be of um death of a loved one, you know, and if you look at it in smaller ways, death could be of when you're moving to a new place.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_03: That death of that that relationship with that house that you had, whatever it was, a relationship, death of our old self and moving into the new.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, even like uh, especially like clients with Alzheimer's, patients with Alzheimer's, it's like the family.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's almost like you are already experiencing the slow death of the person that was.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: And and then actually the body that leaves at the end.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like you were experiencing this grief and loss multiple times with this person, yeah.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: And it's so hard to see and process what is going on and why, like this vibrant person, um, you know, self-made person, um, a person that was so giving and caring and loving is going through this.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: And we feel it's suffering and pain.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so it's like just these uh unknown territories that we're so uncomfortable talking about.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, when I started doing, we had like for the class, we had to um we have these questionnaires to do where you can um, you know, you you ask any friends or anyone to participate in terms of legacy work, you know, how did you impact?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like we always feel that we haven't done enough.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: And we think that for us to make a difference in a grand scale, you have to create a fake organization, nonprofit organization, and do work out there and um just be.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: And I, you know, when I was talking to a dear friend, and she is like, you know, I I don't think I've done you know much in terms of grand scale.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, but what would you tell your kids?
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like, how have you led your life and stuff?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, let me just hold you right there and tell you when my dad passed away, he was always there.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like her presence, her calm gave me this comfort, just her being there.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: She didn't ask me, do you want me to do anything for you?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: Do you want me to bring you food?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: She's just, you know, like bowl of salad.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: Just being there listening to us and letting us go through these ups and downs.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you have these moments when that is happening.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you're celebrating, you are crying, you are laughing, you are, and then it's like then you're just talking general things, and you don't know how to act, you don't know what to be, you don't know what to think.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you're just going with emotion.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there are some souls that are there, and I was like, Do you understand?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you were my comfort for the time that I needed that was other than family members, right?
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: Right, and she's like, Well, but that's who I am.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: That's I was like, that is your like exactly to the world, yeah.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: And so knowing that, you know, even if it's a smile, even it's and um at one point, like I was last year, I was at one of my uncles, um, like the your uncle's funeral, and I saw the grandkids and then um like the the kids, um, you know, my cousins and their kids and like some of the great grandkids, and I was like, and seeing the the strength and power and the way he has guided everyone, it's like almost like that is these are his legacy.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they talk, and it could be just his energy.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like with me, I was just I would sit with him and just felt his energy, and we would tease each other, and he would literally like pull my leg and really tease me and things, and that was my relationship with him.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: So everybody has like you have these different relationships with everybody, and you share energy with different people differently, but yet you bring this love and and really comfort, and so just realize that you don't have to have so much money, you don't have to create an organization, you don't have to have big education, and you know, like you're like educated and no, anybody.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: And really, that's what from my dad's that's how I started, really.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_03: You see how his legacy has been.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_03: He was two when both his parents died.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: His friends' moms and everyone.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, but yet he was self-man made you know self-made man and he was able to help so many people.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: The stories they told about him, getting a job, getting a um, you know, even finding a relationship or getting married or uh finding college getting college admission and all this in India, and it's like um that that's enough.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like you've helped this person improve so much.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: So it doesn't, and it can be in any moment you can change that and shift that.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so if you you see that book on Kelly's right, and it and to whoever is listening to the audio, on the top right, it's self, um, the ultimate guide to self-healing, volume four, and chapter 20, uh, is what I've written.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: If anybody wants to read that, and you know.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's so beautiful.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it's funny because when I was speaking yesterday um at my mom's celebration of life, and legacy was one of the things I was talking about, and you know, how I'd spent some time really trying to figure out like how do you take somebody's life and the beautiful things that they were committed to and doing and continue that, and it and it really honestly came down to just like you were saying, those small things that you do as you for other people, you know, that seem so small and insignificant, but they're really not.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Those are the things, those are the meaningful moments and interactions that change people's lives, you know.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like what's coming is like one of my um very dear friend, best friends, when I was in high school in India, and I would hang out with at her house.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: And her mom, it's like she took me as her own.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: I was her third child almost.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: And the courage and just comfort that she gave me, other than my mom, it's like you know, you have these people in your life that really, you know, I can look back and I was like, at the time as a teenager, I needed that outside, motherly, you know, different kind of approach, um, a figure, somebody who would guide me in ways like, no, you're enough.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're good.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_03: And no, you're doing a great job.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, my kids always say when I say, Oh my god, you're so beautiful, or um, you're so smart.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, you you have to say that because you're my mom.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, you're my mom.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_03: You oh my goodness.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: Beautiful.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, you are beautiful.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_03: Oh inside out, you know, you're a beautiful soul.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, they still don't get it, but I point out some of the things, and but they think, well, you're my mom, you have to say all these things, right?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you don't have to be old, like, you know, even kids leave their own legacies.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, they're their wisdom, there's so much to learn.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_03: I know my um my kids are my guides, my teachers, really.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, 100%.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: They teach me so much every day, and they make sure that I practice what I preach.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: Accountability.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to go anywhere, you know.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's so true.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they will they will definitely hold up some truth in front of you.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's so true.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I think what's so beautiful about that is the simplicity, the ease, the permission to, you know, tune into yourself and figure out what is it that I have to offer people in the world, and then just do that.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Enjoy, you know, enjoy and enjoy.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like really, that to me is is a legacy to to model for other people how you can shift and choose something different that feels more true to you.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that that opens up doors for people when you don't even realize that's what it's doing.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_03: And it could be as minute as you know, it's just like sharing your recipes, you know, cooking.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what it is, right?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: At the end stage, it's like you are wondering, did I matter?
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: Did my life matter?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: Did I do anything that was good?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: Not so much, maybe a little bit of fear like of the unknown, what is going to happen, and what we've heard in terms of, you know, are we gonna be judged for whatever we've done?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: And um, are we going, where are we going?
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: Are we going up or down?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like I've when I worked at nursing homes and even sometimes um hospitals and trach units, and I said, There is no bigger hell, heaven and hell is right here.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's how you do it, have your mind with it.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: You whatever you do, you you pay it right here.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have to go anywhere to do that.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: And and the same thing, shift can happen within your mind, within your mindset.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's like what it's what you're creating in your mind.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: Is it heaven that you're living in, or is it you know hell?
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, are you concentrating and focusing on the pain, the suffering, the duality of everything, you know?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's yeah, so yeah, I think that that is definitely that's definitely true that you know the either or, you know, we're here, we're experiencing both.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think so much of what we try to make sense of is just not it's not something we can make sense of because we're trying to put our brains around it in in a 2D, 3D world.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, what that is is just it's beyond that our mind's capacity to figure it out.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: We can tune into our heart and our intuition, and that might tell us a little bit about what we believe.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: But I found, you know, just in the past couple of years, learning to trust my intuition more.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's more answers to be found there than anywhere you can search on Google, you know, and that tuning in, like, what do I really feel is is truth, you know, that there's some place where people go and suffer.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't, I don't think so.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: It, you know, but I don't I don't feel that.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: Thinking is one thing, but I don't feel that.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: I feel that there's peace and pure love and you know, whatever that looks like, I don't think it's something we experience with our five senses.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's something that is only felt, that the entrances through your heart and your soul, your solar plexus, right?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: To to feel into that.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: But that when I have felt lost in that, that what is this all worth, what's going on, I don't feel safe, I feel uncomfortable, that when I've been able to get into my body to to root myself into being part of this planet Earth and to tie myself to wherever it is up in the heavens, whatever that looks like, that other, you know, place for lack of a better term, and I feel connected to that and supported by my spiritual team, then I don't feel so small and alone.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: I feel the message that you're not ever.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: You're not small, you're very significant, and you're not alone, and you're a soul in a human body having a human experience, not the other way around.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: So if we think that way, then we're here to grow and to learn and to experience life and um to be able to connect with other souls who are doing the same thing.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_03: And to me, that that can be a beautiful thing, absolutely, and I think it's also has to do with the energy that we you know um go with, and people think energy is something that is um again, it's like if you just want some physics and everything, if you we know that we are, you know, we're made of trillions of atoms, and we know that the atoms are in constant motion, and so what are they doing when they're constantly in motion, they're vibrating and they're creating this greater vibration frequency energy, and because we're like trillions and trillions of atoms in that motion, not only are we creating energy within us but around us, and that's what our aura is.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_03: And what happens when some of these atoms are stagnant, they're not moving in the right direction, or they're slowing down, they're you know, because of something is going wrong, or some emotions are stuck, you know.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: What is happening to that?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like we know we're made out of 60 to 70 percent water, and that's what is outside be seen.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: What happens to water that is stagnant outside?
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: It invites uh disease process, mosquitoes, all that thing.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_03: What happens to the water that is stagnant within our body due to injury, due to trauma, due to pain, you know, these things that you can't, but there is it is there, your emotions are there, they just don't go away unless you, you know, working on them, trying to heal it.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: So energy is uh so much bigger than you know people realize and kind of cut off from because they don't understand again anything that you don't understand, um it is uh deemed evil or you know um unwanted, undesirable, unconventional, right?
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_03: Or these things that have been practiced now has become alternative for years.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: I was reading an article yesterday about uh something about Reiki, and they're like, yeah, it does it it, you know, if you have insomnia, you know, it it relieves stress, it relieves um the sleep issues, it relieves it pain, it helps with uh, you know, it fastens your healing process and stuff, but we don't know if it works.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like people all over the hot US and hot they're using in hospitals and everything.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_03: And this is a medical author that wrote this article, and it's like, yeah, but we don't know if it works.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, you know.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and it's like that that like and this is these are the conversations that I get excited about, like that science versus the mystical piece of things, which is basically it's all the same thing, right?
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, but but this idea that there's gotta be proof.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, the the wind blows, but we don't see it.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we see evidence it was there.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we don't see energy when somebody's getting a Reiki healing, but someone is experiencing healing, it's evidence it was there.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: It happened.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there are some um photographies like this, uh certain photography uh in one of the healing, like if you um William Lee Rand, he's one of the the founder of um internationalray.org, and then he like they've done these photos where he is giving Reiki and they've taken out of his hand and have seen uh light energy, like I haven't seen color, but like um white around, and then the violet a little bit inside and a little bit of blue coming through from fingers or hands, and so and people have felt it.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, it's it's the power that we possess when people feel that they are able to do astral travel, like go beyond their body and you know, be and feel that peace and calm, it scares them.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and that's what it is.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's like like wait a minute, and then they have to do the work, you have to learn the work.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_03: I know it's not easy, it is not easy to do healing for yourself, um and to to find out what our purpose is, it's like really you have to go with it.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: The intuition.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_03: The in when I say like living with intention, it's like every moment thinking, are we um, you know, how is our thought about ourselves and about everyone?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: Is it loving?
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_03: Is it are we cronalizing ourselves, judging ourselves or others?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, like what kind of energy we're in.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: You know, they have like done studies where depression, anger, all those those energies vibrate at like in their 50s or 20s.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: And when you are doing um, when you're in that neutral or the calm, the peace, it's like 200.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_03: And enlightenment happens at 700.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so it's like, but at every level, it's not just one, like so it has to be physical body or bliss or pleasure body, your um the these Cherie, so to speak, it's called the bodies, uh, the mind, the mental and emotional body, uh, spiritual ethereal body.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like, you know, how are you vibrating at every like all of these?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: And not your physical, you know.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: So how are you uh caring yourself?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: You know, how are you feeling about yourself?
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_03: Self-worth, self-esteem, all those things come into play.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_03: Are you being truthful, authentic?
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, sometimes you have to stand up for yourself, sometimes you have to be um um open and you have to like I like to go into my shell.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_03: I don't, you know, it's like I want to be seen and heard, but then now it's like, oh, I'm being seen and heard, and that's scary.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's a little scary.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_03: I I go back into my shell, like I don't want people to know what my gifts are.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I want to help people, but at the same time, you know, so we all have these gifts and healing ability, we can heal ourselves, and and there it's like there doesn't have to be a middleman to reach the source.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_03: You can reach the source, you know.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's like that whole concept that is shifting and changing, and so figuring out what is it that you love, what brings you joy, what brings you into alignment um in every step.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like when you start like when are you in your element?
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_03: What are you knowing that you are in your element?
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: Because I say all these words, and sometimes my husband says, Well, these are two big, big words.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me what does it mean?
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like you have to break it down like you're breaking it down to for that kid, you know.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so, yeah, when are you in your element?
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_03: Where time, space, everything is just like stops almost.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that feeling of joy and bliss that nothing else matters.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: You're not worrying, your mind is not racing, it's not going in cycles with thoughts.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: What is that?
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_03: Painting, drawing, coloring, you know, planting, gardening, running, walking.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and you can create run, you know, like okay, so how can you create legacy?
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: Invite people to walk with you, run with you, create a club, or just a few kids.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_03: And there's so much that it's simple, like you said, it it doesn't have to be grand, and it the life can be very simple, we complicated so much.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: We do, we do, and you know what?
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's I I love the idea of following joy and that like for me when I'm working with people, improving their their well-being, um, improving their sleep.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you have to capitalize on joy.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the the old model of like when you're gonna change your habits, it's gonna be like Grinnenberg and push through.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yes, the science says it does take those, you know, you have to continue doing it with 10,000 times of a repetition, right?
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's the remoter learning theory.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: There's, you know, it takes about 66 days to uptake a new habit on average, right?
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's the cool science, right?
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it used to be 21 days.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, it's 21 days for so long, and that's not scientifically what it shows.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: And people are probably getting through their 21 days, like, I'm still not here, it's not happening.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that you can't fast track something, but for me, if you if if the average is 66 days to take on something new, then how do you wrap yourself around investing in that so much so that you you don't have to push yourself through?
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: That you just easy and simply just continue to do it because it feels better than the alternative.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: And that that, of course, is is change theory.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like you have to tip the scales in the psychological favor that staying the same is less desirable than changing, right?
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: So that's all the science.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: But I love the simple fact that all you have to do is sit quietly and think about what makes you happy.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, what lights you up so much that you lose track of time and just do that.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, can we start with that from day one?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is bringing you joy?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, we we have all these hints, and I think sometimes the it's social constructs that get in the way or our own mindsets that get in the way.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, but that's what I love helping people with.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like just open yourself up to the possibility that you could be happier in your life and you could choose to live from a place of joy.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: And you could choose to change things and make them better by using joy, and then you're you're hijacking your brain and you're like, come along for the ride.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: This is gonna be fun.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna repattern this.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the science is there, you know, but we don't need smoke and mirrors.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: We're just gonna make it enjoyable.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_03: And it could be like, you know, what vision I was getting is like just you walking and saying hello to people and saying hi.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like sometimes that even stops, you know, when especially with 2020, the pandemic were walking through woods and people stopped saying hello.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I would say hi and smile and while we're wearing masks, but I'm hoping that you know my eyes were smiling.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_03: And uh but um, but it's like okay, can anyone say hi?
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it it it was just like I was taken aback that we were just kind of disconnecting from everyone because in that fear, yeah, what that means, and um.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_03: But it's just that.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes we we live in this instant gratification, right?
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_03: World that we want everything to happen right away.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: And that we try something for a few days and it's not working.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_03: You have to work like do the same thing for some, you know, maybe five, six months to even get results.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: A year.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_03: You try and fail and try and fail.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_03: And um, but but it's okay because then you're learning.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like anything is going for waste.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_03: You're learning, you you find better ways.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you can create something and help people create that if they you know they want that.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: So it's it you can you know.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_03: I have uh cousins who've like adopted these Afghan family, like refugee families and stuff.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you're doing just even if you change one per you help one person.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like even smiling or taking them if they need right, or that's still doing that.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_03: Is your legacy?
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's what you carry through.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_03: We might think it's little, but it's not.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's not the other person that you've helped um values you so much and thanks you for just that little shift, just that little when they need it to help you were there.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_03: And we get into this thing of asking people, oh, just let me know.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_03: Let me know if you need help, let me know if you need food, let me know.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: But really, you know, we don't like go when like I'm here.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_03: What do you need me to do?
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like, are we we are also people that it's very hard for us to ask for help.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's okay to ask for help.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because we have been taught to give, give, give.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_03: And we not learn and not give ourselves, you know, give others.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_03: But you have to know what that give giving feels like.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_03: So you have to also know what that you have to let other people give, right?
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_03: To you, and so it's okay to receive.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_03: You have to learn how to receive gracefully with gratitude and not feeling that you don't deserve that.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's always comes back to that whole self-worth, self-discernance, self-respect, and all those things, like because you don't feel like you've done enough.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_03: Like, wow, why are they talking so nice about you?
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, did I really make that difference in their life?
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you still don't believe that that you can have that much impact.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it could be, you know, you living like some of these experiences that you've gone through.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: You're teaching people through your experiences, and that's all that matters, too.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: That's so true.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's like so many things that will like mind-blowing things that as simple as that, that could be that is your legacy, and we think that it has to be a major grand thing that changing worlds and you're changing one person's world, even if you change your own world, that is enough.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_03: That is your legacy.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I was gonna say.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna that, you know, and we could get into some of the those deeper pieces of things, and you know, some of the um ancestral lines and you know, repetitive, you know, experiences that people have had, and you make that shift, and you're not only healing yourself, you're healing generations to come, you're healing generations behind.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think that learning about that, and it and that does take a bit of a mind bend, right?
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: For people to kind of grasp that.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's a little bit of a bigger, a bigger bit of trust and faith in in that.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I just I see even like as a parent, the the patterns that you have in yourself and the mistakes that you feel you've made in your life when you work on healing those, you're modeling that for your children.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think that vulnerability, if you can be that vulnerable with your children and to to teach them how you learn the lessons and choose different and you know, choose better is is enormous.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_03: Allowing some of those tantrums and emotions to come through, is like, I'm sorry, children are supposed to can have bad days too.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_03: We have it as a right.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why can't children have bad, you know, kids have bad days?
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_03: And and I'm saying all this, I'm not judging anyone.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, there I've been there, and I this is advice we're giving ourselves right now.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_03: And seriously, so um it's about you know, yeah, it's it's what you pass on through them.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, and that was one thing I I shifted because I used to be so angry.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, I want this anger to stop at me, and I move over, and I will feel so bad about myself in terms of I'm a bad mother because or I'm not, you know, because I'm passing this on to them, you know, I'm traumatizing them.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we always joke about our kids will go to therapy for this one, you know.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, no, yeah, you can you can create this therapy right here and so true.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_03: Help them.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I've said that many times.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like, even they say, okay, toileting and all those things, right?
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_03: As little as the babies that, oh my god, you're traumatizing them.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_03: You're you're forcing them to do these things and um reading, you know, the success and what it means to behaving, and you have to be these robots and offer and can't smile, can't, you know, can't run, can't do this, can't it's literally it's like more cants than they can do something.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_03: Believe me, people, I was that I was a helicopter at mom, and it is hard work to step back and observe and let them fail, let them fall, but I'm always there to pick them up.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I I I think all of it, that the heart of it is is that piece of self-love, which I know is something really important to you in the work that you do, like fostering that because it's it's learning that distinction between like giving to others, like you were just talking about, and giving from yourself versus from your overflow.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: And and that I know was the lesson that I needed to learn that anytime I'm giving from myself, it's never the right energy.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's always going to deplete me, you know, and um or it can it's a short-term option because I can't continue to function that way.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I did that for so many years.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: I I like really pulled solely from like my personal capacity and burn myself out over and over and over again.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: And when I finally got that lesson of, you know, it's filling my cup, and then when there's some overflow, that's when I'm giving.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's when I'm giving.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't, myself doesn't feel depleted.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's and it's not what I fill myself with is not coming from me.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's tapping into source.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it's when you learn how to turn on the tap, whatever that looks like for you, is it meditation, is it running, is it painting, is it, you know, talking with others, whatever it is that fills you up that you can turn on that tap and have accessible to you, that then you're available to give because the tap is on, it's just running and it's continuously overflowing.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: So you're never going from your own cup.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_03: So balancing and centering yourself, right?
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_03: And giving this more clarity, you come from more love and kindness and compassion than this aggressiveness, then like, why isn't this happening?
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_03: Or the lack of things, and so especially caregivers, healthcare workers, you know, I'm I've been in both positions, and it's like it takes a lot out of you.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_03: And so you have to learn to step away, you have to learn to create healthy boundaries.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, um, especially with death and dying, it's like when you are caring for someone that has been abusive to you.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_03: How do you feel like that?
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, and then knowing when it's okay to walk away, when it's okay to refill, like I would love for people to, you know, read like in Sacred Death, these authors have offered so many um amazing stories and tools and Kelly herself in that you know, how do you give from your overflow?
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_03: How do you create healthy boundaries?
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_03: How do you see the whole you know, the process of dying and or grief and loss, and it's not one straight line there's no start and there is no end, and there is no right or wrong, there's no good or bad, it's just whatever it is for you and how it looks for you.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the person that you've loved for their lifetime, you're not gonna stop loving them, you're gonna grieve them until you die, you know, or your body dies.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_03: So that continues, you know, and and so really coming from that um that pure, that unconditional love for yourself first.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, self is so important because you know, you ask people, you want other people to make you happy or love you, but you don't know what it feels like.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_03: So you have to first discover, so to speak, uncover what it is that love means to you with respect, with value.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_03: So you have to value yourself, what you offer, you what you respect yourself, and not with ego or you know, again, right, like everywhere it's like this fine line, yeah.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_03: Between you know the shifts where you would go.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's like this gray area, so to speak.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: There's a line, and then there is this gray area, and then there is that it tips over to the extremes of both ends, you know.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_03: So how do you look at that?
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: This has been such a great conversation and and hugely healing and therapeutic for me.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I appreciate that.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and like I said, I I really think having these conversations that may initially feel a little uncomfortable or hard to have, um, I think it really opens us up to lighten things up a little bit for ourselves.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_00: So before we go, I just want to give you a chance.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: How can people connect with you?
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: Where can they find you?
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, obviously, um, you want to get a copy of Sacred Death.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: I also think it's a really lovely gift for someone who has um experienced loss in their life or they're going through it.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the tools in there are phenomenal.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um how can they connect with you and find you on social media and all the places?
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, my email address is hamalivora1 at gmail.com.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_03: They can email me or they can find me on um facebook.com, um uh coach himali or Instagram, um underscore happy underscore healthy underscore you as letter U.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and DM me, message me if you need to get in touch with me, or if you have uh one of the books, um The Sacred Death, 25 Tools for Caregivers, um, that has all the information, not only um for myself, but other authors that can help you with.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, and uh, I wish you continued healing and happiness.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm so proud to be part of this project and and very happy to know you and to have you in my life.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_00: And and I appreciate so much you coming and talking with us today.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_00: And uh thank you, and thanks everybody for tuning in or for catching the replay.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_00: Be sure to like, comment, and share with anyone you think um this content could be super beneficial.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll see you next time.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: Have a good one, guys.